War Machine by Kiss – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eudBY_0LtRY

Oh wait…

Oh noes! He didn’t dash out of the room and wait in his plane for a few hours like everyone wanted him to do!

He didn’t mean 100 or 1000 years of war, he meant a troop station. American troops are stationed all around the world, in places like Thailand, Germany, South Korea, France, and Japan. Are they fighting in those countries? No. They’re there for training, medical aid, and to be close if there is an emergency.

But, like others have said, politics is about taking saying and injecting them with your own meaning. This happened to be a good example because he wasn’t very thorough in his explanation for what he meant, so there were gaps that people could read into. Meanwhile, in similar debates and such, he probably said hundreds of other things that no one else cares about except the people at the debates, press conferences, etc.

LOL!

You liberals are all the same. You can’t handle disagreement, everyone but you has to shut up. Too bad about that 1st Amendment thingie.

erm… you sure seem to know a hell of a lot about your country… which even censors more than Germany does nowadays

This further proves my point that women shouldn’t be allowed to the internet. They can often appear to have an informed opinion.

Of the 3,500 Swift boat sailors who served in Vietnam, the names of some 250 appeared on the group’s statement against Kerry; most did not serve at the same time or in the same place as Kerry.[8][9][10] Founding members of SBVT include Rear Admiral Roy Hoffmann (retired), a former commander of Swift boat forces; Houston attorney John O’Neill, an officer who became commander of Swift Boat PCF 94 several months after Kerry’s departure in 1969 and who appeared opposite Kerry in a televised 1971 debate between them on The Dick Cavett Show; and 13 other named veterans. Several of those who joined SBVT during the 2004 campaign were officers who had previously praised Kerry’s conduct during the Vietnam War. These included Division Commander Grant Hibbard, who wrote positive evaluations of Kerry, and Commander George Elliott, who submitted Kerry for a Silver Star. SBVT counts, in total, 16 officers who served with Kerry in Coastal Division 11 as members.[11] Despite SBVT’s statements that Kerry’s “entire chain of command” belonged to the group,[12] Joseph Streuli, former commander of Coastal Division 13, Charles Horne, former commander of Coastal Squadron 1, and Art Price, former commander CTF 116 who is described in Unfit for Command as part of Kerry’s chain of command, are not affiliated with the group.

The group’s initial letter against Kerry stated “It is our collective judgment that, upon your return from Vietnam, you grossly and knowingly distorted the conduct of the American soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen of that war (including a betrayal of many of us, without regard for the danger your actions caused us). Further, we believe that you have withheld and/or distorted material facts as to your own conduct in this war.”[13] However, Kerry had posted over 100 pages of his military records at his website nearly two weeks before the issuance of the SBVT letter, and had also made his military medical records available for inspection by reporters (and provided a summary from his doctor).[14][15][16]

Not all SBVT members said that they were signing the letter for the same reason. For example, from an interview published the day before the letter was made public: ” ‘[Kerry] earned his medals, he did what he was supposed to do in Vietnam,’ said retired Coast Guard Captain Adrian Lonsdale, who was in the chain of command above Kerry and oversaw various operations dealing with Navy swift boats of the type Kerry commanded. ‘But I was very disappointed in his statements after he got out of the Navy.’ “[17]

Of those who served in Kerry’s boat crew, only Stephen Gardner joined SBVT.[18] He was not present on any of the occasions when Kerry won his medals, including his Purple Hearts. Gardner appeared in two of the group’s television advertisements.

All other living members of Kerry’s crew supported his presidential bid, and some frequently campaigned with him as his self-described ‘band of brothers’. Kerry crewmembers have disputed some of SBVT’s various allegations: “totally false” (Drew Whitlow), “garbage” (Gene Thorson), and “a pack of lies” (Del Sandusky).[19][20][21]

No members of SBVT were aboard Kerry’s boat during any of the incidents for which he was decorated. The only member of SBVT who was present at the Silver Star incident, Rood’s crewmember Larry Clayton Lee, praised Kerry’s tactics and stated that he earned his Silver Star; he stated that based on discussions with other SBVT members, he came to question whether Kerry deserved other medals for incidents at which he was not present.

If you don’t like venom, focus your criticism on the Left. That’s where mosore re most of the venom comes from, especially on this website.

The lie about McCain in this thread is just one example.

now THAT is damn funny!!

Yeah, he’s just a sweet little old grandfather who never hurt anyone. Why’s everyone always picking on Bin ladin? Leave the poor man alone!

I do believe the lack of govt. support for our veterans is appalling though. It is the one thing I will concede.

Wasn’t it McCain who said, “We’re gonna bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran?” Just curious.

My registered Conservative Irish Catholic retired military blue collar father in law is NOT voting for McCain. Speaks volumes to me. My brother in law, a lieutenant in the NYPD and former fire fighter, hunter, and military buff NOT voting for McCain. My sister, a Captain in the army, NOT voting for McCain. I dare you to call any of them Liberals.

Guess what? I think of every soldier my sister has had to sew back together and all those kids who are coming home broken with no government support and all those lives lost on BOTH sides, yeah, we really won, didn’t we?

Tell me, WHAT did we win? Think hard, you can play too, Evil Pundit….

Evil Pundit, now that’s supposed to crack us all up?

If you look at a conceivable legitimate spectrum of democratic (as in system of government, not party – legitimate meaning reasonably representing the will of the people) the US hardly has a left. I find that worrying not because I am happy with leftist policy prescriptions, but because I see it as a result of demonizing a legitimate political view. Honestly, look at the venom with which people here denounce ‘liberals’. Buy a f’ing dictionary and look up the term. The original meaning is pretty much synonymous with what now is called libertarian and the term liberal is toxic now as a result of a smear campaign.

I am honestly saddened that the political discussion (as in exchange of ideas with the aim of learning something – a thing scientists do) has degraded to a political debate (where everything goes and it is not about what ideas are right, but who is the last man standing – that is, who is most loud and obnoxious.

In the US the right (particularly the religious kind) is driving this development with the pathetic habit of forming an opinion first and looking at the facts later. Funnily in Europe it is the other way round and equally regrettable.