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American Political Correctness Hypersensitivity at its worst. Bleh.
caption FAIL
Methinks they protest too much.
Obama’s supporters don’t like to acknowledge the grain of truth in the views they mock.
And, just for the lolz — Obama gets the crucial convicted murderer endorsement!
“Before he died Wednesday evening, death row inmate Dale Leo Bishop apologized to his victim’s family, thanked America and urged people to vote for Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.”
Yeah, well, I’m an Obama girl, as I hope you noticed, and I must say if I was about to be put to death, I would definitely tell everyone to vote McCain. No sarcasm this time. Maybe Bishop wanted to tarnish Obama’s record? Maybe he’s a McCain follower? Ever think of that one, buddy? Like I said, I’d tell everyone to vote McCain just because I’d hope they wouldn’t. Just like I’d tell everyone what a great, understanding guy you are. =P
Break out the tinfoil hats!
I suppose the terrorist group Hamas endorsed Obama for the same reason, because they really want him to lose.
Hey, you could be on to something! Maybe Bill Ayers, Tony Rezko, and all Obama’s other shady “friends” are really his enemies! They only associated with him to sabotage his campaign!
This is a plot worthy of an evil genius. I sense the hand of Karl Rove behind it all.
I’m not saying that those people don’t just think that Obama’s the better man, but in the case of Bishop, you don’t know what his personal motives were, and it’s a little too late to ask him. I was just stating what I would do and that you’re not considering any other possibilities.
Now about this foolishness of guilt by association.
I have friends who are very very liberal and very very conservative. My history class this past year was seated by a 1-18 scale of our political beliefs, with one being radical and 18 being reactionary. I was at 8, sitting in the centrist section. We had people in the one spot and the 18 spot. We were all friends, but we had different beliefs. Oh yeah, and the most liberal and the most conservative girls in the room are inseperable best friends. One of them is bisexual, the other doesnt believe in gay marraiges. Now, how do you label them using each other? Is it possible that they’re friends because they share similarities not relating to their personal beliefs? Hmm, my best friend and boyfriend are both devout Catholics. I love them both more than words can say. But wait, I hate the Catholic religion. I’m Protestant. Not born into it, but by my own choice. But my father was a Jehovah’s Witness!!! How is this possible if your assumptions about Obama’s “friends” are true? Oh, no! the paradoxes!!! Existence is beginning to unravel! One of my friends is fiercely unpatriotic. She hates our government. I stand and say the Pledge every day. Even when school isn’t in session. Uuh-oh, more paradoxes. I pray to God every night, my sister is an atheist. By your reasoning, I must be one of those conservative liberal Catholic Protestant athiest Jehovah’s Witness patriotic anti-Americans!!! That explains everything! It all makes sense now. phew. Glad that’s solved.
Why are you protestant? Do you believe what your church teaches you?
I don’t regularly attend a specific church with a specific pastor, if that’s what you mean and you’re trying to turn this into a Rev. Wright debate. I just find that Protestant is the label I best fit under, though if you’d prefer something a bit more general, I’m “Christian – other [than Catholic]”
If you’re just asking about my personal beliefs, I think that’s getting a little too intrusive here. The point of bringing up my religion was to show that my own beliefs are different than my father’s and two of the people I’m very close to. I’m saying you can’t judge me by my boyfriend, best friend, or family. If you must judge me, than judge ME, not the company I keep. I believe Jesus Christ befriended theives and prostitutes. You want to slander Him now?
“You may not like where I’m going, but you sure know where I stand. Hate me if you want to; love me if you can.” – Toby Keith (singer/songwriter)
I am just saying if you attended a church for 20 years wouldn’t it be a church you believed in? A pastor you agreed with? Yes it is possible to be close to people with different beliefs, but if you have your own beliefs wouldn’t you naturally chose to worship with those who share your beliefs? Or do you regularly go to church with your JW friend?
I knew this was going back to Rev. Wright… *exasperated sigh*
Actually, I have attended a variety of churches of Christian but non-Catholic denomination because I was allowed to find religion for myself. Christianity seemed to suit me best. I did not agree with the Jehovah’s Witnesses, but I did go there many times when I was younger because it was not a “friend” that was a JW. It was my father. He died three years ago. Thanks for bringing that up.
What a lot of people don’t understand is that the pastor is only a small part of why you go to a certain church. I find that the congregation that attends it is far more appealing. Perhaps Obama didn’t totally agree with his pastor, but instead found a fellowship with the other members of that church. Churchgoing can be a very social thing, especially in less populated areas. Then there’s the possibility that he didn’t change churches for his political career. Wanting to say, yes, I’m firm in my religious beliefs. I’ve been going to this church for 20 years. Or perhaps they have the same religious beliefs but different political views, since church is about religion and not politics. Unfortunately the modern world can’t seem to separate the two.
Yes, I do often overuse italicized letters. But personally, if there were no churches at all, I would still believe in my God, because I found him for myself. Some people rely too heavily on organized religion. Ultimately, it’s you and not your church standing before the gates awaiting judgement.
As far as the Reverend Wright issue goes, I read an interesting article about how his beliefs are actually not that far out there, and stop just short of mainstream. I can’t find it yet, but I am looking. I’ll post it when I find it if this topic doesn’t die…
The article I was referring to is “With a Few More Brains…”
It was written by Nicholas Kristof and published in the New York Times on March 30th, 2008. Very interesting.
I go to church and I know what it is about. I go for the instruction and teaching from the pastor, socializing is secondary to me I can get that in other ways. If Obama was going to this church to further his poliltical career he should have given that a second thought in my opinion unless he wasn’t paying attention to the pastors sermons. We have some excellent black pastors that teach at our church, including African pastors from missions we support. None of them say anthing near what Rev. Wright talks about. None of them blame the US for evil in the world or for the work of terrorists.
Here’s the article I was talking about:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/30/opinion/30kristof.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
It was in the New York Times and it’s by Nicholas Kristof, discussing America and conspiracy theories in general.
The shady people in Obama’s past (and occasionally present) aren’t just “friends”. They’re political allies and associates. They share ideas and ideologies.
Obama spent 20 years in a racist church, listening to racist preachers. He named one of his books after a sermon by Jeremiah Wright. The connections are deep and close.
When you look at Obama’s past, his record, the people he supports and the people who support him, a picture emerges that is very different from the glossy airbrushed Messiah portrayed by the mainstream media.
The information is out there on the Net. People need to look and put it all together. You won’t get it by reading the newspapers and watching the TV stations that support Obama.
Did you know how heavily the media are supporting Obama?
“An analysis of federal records shows that the amount of money journalists contributed so far this election cycle favors Democrats by a 15:1 ratio over Republicans, with $225,563 going to Democrats, only $16,298 to Republicans .
Two-hundred thirty-five journalists donated to Democrats, just 20 gave to Republicans — a margin greater than 10-to-1. An even greater disparity, 20-to-1, exists between the number of journalists who donated to Barack Obama and John McCain.
Searches for other newsroom categories (reporters, correspondents, news editors, anchors, newspaper editors and publishers) produces 311 donors to Democrats to 30 donors to Republicans, a ratio of just over 10-to-1. In terms of money, $279,266 went to Dems, $20,709 to Republicans, a 14-to-1 ratio.
And while the money totals pale in comparison to the $9-million-plus that just one union’s PACs have spent to get Obama elected, they are more substantial than the amount that Obama has criticized John McCain for receiving from lobbyists: 96 lobbyists have contributed $95,850 to McCain, while Obama — who says he won’t take money from PACs or federal lobbyists — has received $16,223 from 29 lobbyists.”
Source: IBD Editorials
Did you ever stop to think that I do research before forming opinions? I can’t stress this enough though. I researched where they stand on issues. I picked the one I can relate to more.
Here we go with your “stupid child” stereotypes again. I get enough of that from my ignorant parents, thank you very much. What is it with adults and thinking that just because of a number on our birth certificates, we don’t ever know what we’re talking about? The only adults I have any deep respect for are the ones who can say, you may not be able to vote, but that doesn’t mean you’re completely in the dark on politics, or the ones who will acknowledge that life experience is not proportional to chronology. I’ve lived through more than most people twice my age. Accept it, refuse to believe it, I don’t care. I’m secure enough in myself that I don’t need your approval.
For what I hope can be the last time, I’m not trying to make you an Obama follower. I am just stating that I am one, and I highly doubt anything you can say will change that, just like I doubt that anything I can say will shake your faith in McCain. That’s precisely why I didn’t attempt to. You have your opinion, I have mine. We’ll see who’s in the majority come November, but we won’t know who was right for another 4 years.
evil pundit, why are you such a knob?
hating our government isn’t unpatriotic. you can love the country and want to change the government. i am so over people’s play on this word. and it’s usually misused by republicans. for shame. and saying the pledge of allegiance? what are you? 10?
good point about the not taking on the identity of your friends, i guess, except that obama isn’t exactly living in the realm of a high school history class. heh.
As a protestant of yourself did you breakawy from your former faith?? you hate the catholic church thats okay but this the religion you came from in the begining. You dont need to change as earthlings in this planet, coz there is only one creator to rely on…. not even obama can not change his original faith..
Your point is full of holes.
He never stated what his original faith was, but I’m thinking it was most likely Jehovah’s Witnesses, with a chance of atheist. I don’t think he came from Catholicism.
And perhaps there was need to change, particularly if you disagree with what your religion teaches. And perhaps your religion says that there is one creator, but mine, atheism(OK technically not a religion), says that there is none. And considering the different rules and dogmas of different faiths, it is not unreasonable to say that each believes in a different creator to the next.
And anyone can change their original faith, but only if they really want to. My mother was born Catholic, but died an atheist. My father was once one of the most devout atheists out there but was baptised a Mormon only a few years ago. These are just some of the more extreme (although not uncommon) examples, there are also plenty of people who change church or faith within Christianity.
Na you just need to take a little initiative, and go get your own money, and quit expecting the government to take care of you. I made MY money, and it’s not the governments to redistribute….And how about you asking the several generations of children after your children, about how much they like being in debt Years b4 they were born. I’m all for change, but this is going the wrong way so fast it’s never gonna stop. Obama Girl? You really are admitting that huh?!???
Dude, srsly, WTF? No relevance to the LOL and pointless to boot? This is how you express your political opinion? Comment spam on a LOLZ site?
Punditing: UR DOIN IT WRONG!
Brilliant Satire WIN!!!
Liberal PC FAIL!!!
Conervatives not knowing when THEY’RE the ones being made fun of FAIL!!!
Journalism FAIL – which is the point of the cover! Slapping crummy journalists & biased media WIN!!!
Average American’s sense of humor FAIL!
Nobody got the joke!!! I’m an Obama man AND I LAUGHED MY @$$ OFF!
TL;DR FAIL!!!
Well if you live in the middle of nowhere, you see that the people do not understand the point of the cartoon.
People in the middle of nowhere do not read the New Yorker.
Ugh god where do I start. Obama is not a muslim, but some of his family is. However, his wife DID FIST BUMP PEOPLE ON THE VIEW!!! You cant use your culture as a hipness and then deny it when push comes to shove.
Still, I dont want a friend of unepentant terrorists and racists as my president! High Fives to the New Yorker for having a little fun
Ehh I dont think Barak is a muslim…I think he has NO moral obligation and will side with whatever gets the most votes… but if you spend 20 years listening to Sunday mass with a racist pastor…..hmmm
WIN.
wow, this was a looooong time ago. good to see posting ain’t locked anymore.
everybody seems to forget about obama’s racist pastor though. wonder why?
EEEEWWWWWWW, politics!
Failblog was so-so while it lasted.
Um, this isn’t failblog. It’s pundit kitchen.
hard to tell sometimes….
it was on failblog for like 10mins, so technically smog is correct!
FCOL! I don’t know why people are getting so bent outta shape about this! It was satire!!
Of course, taking a risk and going against the media’s OBVIOUS blindness to Obama’s shortcomings…. the only ones getting upset about this are his supporters who recognize a little too much truth in it!
Good Job, New Yorker! Not all of us have lost our sense of humor to the overblown “Polical Correctness” movement!
It’s sad that it’s called a fail. I mean, McCain is made fun of 24/7, but just because Obama’s case is “sensitive”, people should leave Obama alone? If that is the case, then we should just ban all freedom of journalism, remove all elections and just let someone appoint the new president.
That being said, no I am not from the USA, and I don’t support McCain’s beliefs, but I do believe in freedom of speech/journalism, and if you want to treat everyone equally, then so should be the amount of satire.
“we should just ban all freedom” Yeah…and the people who find that image are the ones blowing things out of proportion…
I lost you at the second part of your comment: “and the people who find that image are the ones blowing things out of proportion…”
Learn to read conditional statements – he’s saying that, if this is inappropriate, then perhaps all freedom is inappropriate.
Sheez.
I’m not a native speaker, sheez. And I dont think he meant that.
He did.
Did I not say to reply with bunnies and similies >.>
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Hey!!! I resemble that remark!
It may be sad but lets face it, McCain deserves to be made fun of. *waits for flames* I has a marshmelowz!
as does Obama. Problem is, his more humorless followers will have none of it!
And would McCain’s followers have any of THAT? People are people, and they choose to make fun of whoever they want. It just happens that Obama gets ragged on all the time because of his race and ideas. But look at McCain- hes old, southern, and white… See a pattern??
Yes, I see a pattern.
McCain gets ragged on because of his race and ideas. Obama is immune.
gief marshmallowz NAOoneoneone111!!!!
The New Yorker is not a newspaper, therefor has nothing to do with “journalism.”
Second, it is “satire” (big word, I know) meant to poke fun at people who see Obama that way. Obama had a golden opportunity to practice what he preaches about getting past the old style of politics, but by denouncing this cover, he’s mire himself squarely in the very thing he decries.
I’ve lost some respect for the man.
Kudos to the New Yorker, though. I was smart enough to get the joke.
So you’re saying that a person who writes for a magazine is not a journalist?
“the work of collecting, writing and publishing news stories and articles in newspapers and magazines or broadcasting them on the radio and television.” – cambridge dictionary
As far as I know, The New Yorker reports on political situations (I’m not familiar with the total magazine, since I’m not an American)
wheel, one piece of very valuable(big word, I know) advice. Don’t act tough on the internet, because sooner or later you will see that won’t get you anywhere in life, since it automatically places your in the “14y/o I read a book once, so IR smart category”, even if you aren’t.
That being said, I was talking in general, pundit named this responsible journalism fail, that’s why I commented on the fact that there shouldn’t be any limits about how to portray him. Since that does affect freedom of speech, and journalism.
The term “journalism” (as in the phrase “journalistic integrity”) has been deliberately ignored and maligned so long that political commentators like Rush Limbaugh call themselves journalists and everybody just nods their heads and chews their cud.
The New Yorker is an entertainment magazine. It has a few reporters that write nonfiction articles. Likely these writers have studied journalism, but are themselves not true journalists in the Edward R. Murrow sense. The New Yorker has always had that level of smarminess, a high-brow satire; it’s not hardcore journalism.
The problem with the cover is that so few people “got it”. The cover isn’t satirizing Obama’s shortcomings (as someone above posted), but playing a meta-joke on those that continue to think he’s a Muslim, that his wife hates America, that a fist bump is a “terrorist fist jab”… In shorter terms, the cover isn’t making fun of Obama; it’s making fun of longtime FoxNews viewers.
Wheel is correct in saying that the caption is flawed: this isn’t a case of “journalism fail” as much as “satire fail”.
Damn emoticons. I was genuinely trying to punctuate that.
#1 – I feel your puncuation pain. That happened to me once, too.
#2 – THANK YOU for spelling out the satire for all the low-brows that didn’t get it. It will take more than a magazine cover to change my vote.
And that was a real emoticon.
#3 – My own blurt – is Obama wearing socks with those sandles?
I was only trying to point out the fact that Obama is somewhat left alone, and everyone is making fun of McCain. The reason why I posted it here, is because of the fact that app. punditkitchen/failblog thinks it’s wrong to make fun of Obama. In this case it’s not Obama himself, but his “opponents”.
The reason why I mentioned journalism is simple. If the creator of the site believes that certain jokes, that aren’t that bad really, is a responsible journalism fail, then the site itself is a fail imo.
About the satire itself, that one has failed yes, as Mike luckovic says:
“In order for this satire to work it has to be more absurd than what’s going on in reality… I don’t think it was over the top enough and that’s why the satire didn’t really work.”
Oh and wheel might be right, but his entire attitude towards others is so bad, that I just dont care.
Obama is somewhat left alone?!
What about the three straight months of nothing but Rev. Wright coverage? Father Pflager? The kid that sat next to Barack in second grade? The media have been over Obama only slightly less than they were over Hillary.
McCain’s been given a solid pass by the media.
Obama is being made fun of because of his race! If you went to a different country, they could very possibly make fun of you too, whatever race you are. I truly dont pay attention to politics seeing as I am only 16 years old, but I do know that I would never vote for McCain. His ideas are ridiculous, and I believe Obama could get us back to an eco-friendly usa.
Back to? It’s obvious you ‘don’t pay attention to politics’.
I wouldn’t go blathering on about whomever doing whatever, unless you know, as it only makes yourself and whomever you choose to support look, well, bad.
Well thank you for your heartfelt response to an “aimless little girl”. What I mean by back to is, back to $2.00 a gallon for gas or whatever. I know damn well that we never were an eco friendly country but it was much better 10 years ago than it is now. Youre just as arrogant as everybody else.
I was sharing my opinions about the runnings. I am sorry that I offended you. Please dont make any more worry lines in your face. Stop reading these, and you wont feel as bad as I think you do. I will not check back on this as I dont want to worry myself for no reason.
Thanks for the comment!!!!! I appreciate it!!!
By the way- I wouldnt exactly call that “blathering on”. I would call it um…an opinion.
Youre mean. Now I will go cry because Im such a little thing, and I dont know anything about the world and about politics. :[
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As if there are any journalists left in the Edward R. Murrow sense of the word. Those not carrying the conservative banner on FoxNews are carrying the Democratic Manifesto on CNN.
Democracy Now!’s Amy Goodman, perhaps? She fights with bare knuckles where other newspersons use pillows.
herb, you’re the only person on here making sense so far. and for that, you’re awesome. keep speaking out for those of us who’ve lost our patience with it (cuz after five years in DC under the Bush Regime… )
I usually don’t post when my caption gets put on the main page, but here it goes…
The New Yorker has “reporters” but is known to be an entertainment magazine more angled towards insight and thought-provoking articles/covers as opposed to straight fact reporting.
The cover was an attempt at satire gone wrong primarily in that it contains no indication of innuendo or humor. In a vacuum, you could assume this is one “reporter’s” viewpoint of what an Obama victory means.
In a vacuum, my caption has no satire.
Thank you and good morning.
True, but your caption fails entirely imo. Because you use the word responsible, as you say, they’re an entertainment magazine, what responsibility to the reader do they have? It’s not like the Financial Times puts it on the cover, or WSJ w/e.
In a vacuum, most good satire would be assumed to express a literal meaning (ex: Swift’s “A Modest Proposal”). Social context is at the heart of satire; you especially can’t put good satire in a vacuum.
The cover was not a satire fail; it was a general public fail.
It wasn’t the general public who failed to get the point; it was the Obamabots.
Obamabots? What about the ego-centric, ruin-the-world, couldnt-care-about-dying-people-in-darfur, McCain “bots”? What good are THEY doing for the world???????
*cheer* Go get them Erin!
Social responsibility is a foreign concept to McCain.
thanks!! why are people assholes?!?! what is this country coming to. I think in a few years we might be as bad off as a 3rd world country if we continue down this stupid path.
See? You Obamabots just can’t get the point.
get the point of…? Your mind? McCain? yeah I really dont understand it. Wanting to change the world for the better is SUCH a bad idea ya know! I mean wanting the world to feel safe… wow. I would never want that! Us “Obama-bots” have to stick together because of our “horrible” ideas. Other than wanting to run the war into our own faces, McCain has amazing ideas for global warming. Bam! Obamabots strike back!
mhm. :]
you and I may be smart enough to get the joke and to enjoy the satire, but the truth about the U.S.A is that a startling majority of the readers, read at a 4th grade level and are either not smart enough to get it. Either that or they are not interested in putting any thought into the cover picture that is past their first reaction. I’m all for satire and humor, I use it in my own work, but while comedy is a useful tool it is also very powerful and dangerous.
Don’t think about your own reaction, think about the reactions of the stupids!
You’re right.
The reaction of the stupid Obama supporters was pretty stupid.
But wouldn’t you expect stupid reactions from stupid obama supporters? Oh, wait, I gues that was Mojo’s point. The New Yorker folks should have counted on the reaction of stupid Obama supporters.
That is fun to type: “Stupid obama supporters.” I think we should call them Jock straps. Because they support Obama and want to keep his nuts away from Jesse Jackson.
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What? I have no idea what youre talking about. People who support McCain are just as stupid for getting so into the politics. If you look at what Obama has planned for us, you will see that he will turn our environment around, and MAYBE HE will be there asap when a major hurricane strikes, and not wait 3 days because of golf!
That’s a fine example of stupidity right there.
Obama will be there when a mahor hurricane strikes? Then he’d just need to be rescued like everyone else. Presidents don’t stand in the middle of hurricanes; they send in professional teams after the storm blows over.
Try to understand how things work before you start spouting nonsense.
yeah. Bush waiting 3 days AFTER the hurricane strikes is a wonderful idea. Of course he sent in troops but then he didnt even go there himself because of GOLF. If it was a democrat that did that, YOU would be angry.
I dont like hardheaded republicans. Theyre idiots.
Do you have any proof that Bush didn’t go because of golf?
Do you know why New Orleans wasn’t evacuated by the Mayor?
Do you know that Bush offered troos before the hurricane hit, but was turned down by the state governor?
Try doing some research instead of just quoting propaganda. The facts are out there if you look for them.
youre a snob and a half.
And yo’re a silly little girl.
mhm. Thanks. Im a silly little girl who knows how to play with her dolls.
yay, wanna come over to my house? i just got a new doll. it’s Evil Pundit Ken. Let’s keep playing with this one. I’m having fun. >=)
*Obama fist bump*
lmao Im burning my McCain Ken right now!!! Lets do the evil Obamabot chant!!!
Yes, let’s keep on playing.
After Erin has finished researching Bill Ayers, we can introduce her to Tony Rezko, Jeremiah Wright, Ed Cone and Michael Pfleger.
For dessert, we can look into the way Michelle Obama’s salary doubled right after Obama got a juicy government grant for her employer.
Mmmm, tasty Chicago corruption.
Yes, our evil Obamabot chant: “I don’t know, but I’ve been told, John McCain is too damn old.” hehehe.
May I ask how you found out Michelle Obama’s salary? That’s rather personal. Do you know her weight and favorite comfort food too? I believe Barack asked people to stop targeting his wife. You better listen. He’s a Muslim terrorist you know. *sarcasm* (<—because some people here don’t recognize it)
Tax returns, my dear fellow.
Look, I can copy and paste too!
“One of Obama’s Earmark Requests Was for the Hospital That Employs Michelle Obama
Dan Riehl notes, via Amanda Carpenter, that in the list of earmarks he requested, $1 million was requested for the construction of a new hospital pavilion at the University Of Chicago. The request was put in in 2006.
You know who works for the University of Chicago Hospital?
Michelle Obama. She’s vice president of community affairs.
As Byron noted, “In 2006, the Chicago Tribune reported that Mrs. Obama’s compensation at the University of Chicago Hospital, where she is a vice president for community affairs, jumped from $121,910 in 2004, just before her husband was elected to the Senate, to $316,962 in 2005, just after he took office.”
Looks like that raise was worth it. “
Where are you quoting this from? You failed to mention that. I’m not doubting the credibilty of your information, but I’m not accepting it until you verify your sources, “my dear fellow.” To clear something up, I thought it was obvious that I’m not a “fellow.”
You also ignored that there’s been corruption in politics since they were created. There must have been something going on when our boy George Washington took his Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton’s advice over his Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson’s in the matter of the Whiskey Rebellion, among other conflicts. Good old Alex was pretty rich, I might add. And I’m sure McCain has plenty of black marks on his record too, but I have better things to do than research every last one of them. I’m more considered with the issues the candidates stand for, thank you very much. A President’s personal life has nothing to do with how he runs the country. JFK had countless affairs, Thomas Jefferson had even more, with his own slaves. That’s been scientifically proven with DNA tests, by the way. They were both pretty good presidents, now weren’t they? Oh, F.D.R. was one of our most corrupt presidents. Guess what he did though? Oh yeah, got us out of the Great Depression and through WWII. To take it out of America, Winston Churchill was a raging alcoholic. Hitler didn’t drink in excess or even once cheat on his fiance. There’s shady business in every election. But how about think not what the candidates have done, but what they’re going to do for our country. Now what do we want, another 100 years of war (and subsequently continuously climbing gas prices) or to bring our efforts and funds back home to fix our own economy before we end up repeating the 30′s?
The quote was from National Review Online. The original article links to sources.
So corruption is fine by you, as long as it’s a candidate you support? At least you’re refreshingly honest.
However, I don’t think blatant corruption is a good look in a President or a candidate.
Put it together with the terrorist connection, and the racist church, and it doesn’t say much about Obama’s character. Well, actually it says rather a lot.
And we haven’t even begun to deal with Obama’s gross lies yet. Given his changing positions and documented falsehoods, we can’t trust anythin he says about issues.
The more you find out about Obama, the less appealing it looks.
You’re misreading me again. I didn’t say corruption was okay. All I said was that if these coincidences were corruption, it wouldn’t be the first time a President was corrupt, and that even the most corrupt Presidents have saved our nation. Andrew Jackson kept the country out of civil war long before Lincoln took office. He also killed a man in a duel because the man insulted his wife’s honor. And guilt by association isn’t very fair, now is it? I commented on that logic a moment ago. If I was running for President, which who knows, someday I might, I wouldn’t cut off ties to my friends with different views from my own. I’d keep them on and show them off. Yeah, one of my friends is Buddhist. But she’s great at organizing things. One of my friends is Jewish, but he’s very smart. One of my extremely close friends is a drug addict, but he’s also one of the most diplomatic people I know. So add Buddhist pill-popping Jew to my description of myself I posted in the other comment please. Thanks. And did I not say that I’m less interested with Obama’s religion and associations than I am with his causes and issues? Who cares who the guy hangs out with? If he’s caught in a frilly dress having a tea party with Osama Bin Ladin or trying to conduct a successful midnight vigil to converse with Hitler’s ghost, then come let me know, ok? Until then, I want you to make a list for me of all the people you know without a single character flaw. Let me know when you’ve finished. It shouldn’t take long.
Here’s a quote: “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”
I don’t think I need to quote that source…
You’re just making excuses now.
Your Messiah has been shown to be tarnished, and we’re still at the tip of the iceberg.
Obama has no record of achievement — the only things by which to judge him are his words and his allies. His words are often lies, and his allies are nasty types.
The more you find out about Obama, the less appealing it looks.
I only have one Messiah, and it’s Jesus Christ.
I never claimed Obama was perfect. I just agree with his causes more than McCain’s. NO HUMAN BEING IS PERFECT.
Politicians and lawyers are not known for their honesty. Both careers are about finding loopholes just big enough to squeeze through. I’m not trying to say that he’s the paradigm of holy perfection. I’m just saying I’d rather see him in office than McCain.
I hope you have noticed that I’m not sitting here googling every possible corrupt thing McCain and every other Republican and everyone they’ve talked to in their lives has done. I’m not here trying to make McCain look like some evil bastard. All I’m doing is saying that Obama is no worse than anyone else, and in my opinion he’s the better of the two, I’m not trying to change your opinion, just trying to get you to accept that mine is different.
And you said “The more you find out about Obama, the less appealing it looks” twice. Way to get redundant on us.
And you said it again. That makes three times.
I accept that you have a different opinion. I just think it’s a wrong opinion.
And I think that yours is wrong. So obviously we aren’t going to get anywhere. You aren’t going to be able to change my opinion, and is anything I say going to change yours? I doubt it. I’m not even going to try, like I said. Life is about accepting others’ differences and embracing their similarities. Like you and I seem to have a penchant for politics and debate, albeit on different sides of the spectrum. It really is a shame that this “silly little girl” has figured that out before you. After all, you are older and therefore wiser, I’m assuming.
Hey, I bet neither one of us likes Hillary Clinton. See? We could be over on one of her threads annoying her supporters instead of trying to get each other’s goat here. Or are you just the kind of person who likes to start an argument on every thread just to sit back and have a few laughs? I hope you’ve been enjoying out little debate here as much as I have. It’s been quite entertaining on this end.
What makes you think you “figured it out first”?
lol, a minute ago you didn’t seem too ready to join hands and skip on over to annoy the Hil fans…
but I’m ready when you are…Or maybe not until tomorrow, because whatever time zone you’re in, it’s almsot 8:00 pm here and I’m getting hungry for dinner, and I do have other things to get done tonight than arguing politics. The real world beckons formidably…
good lord I missed a lot while at dance.
Ya know, Evil Pundit, I might be 16 with a level head, but IM ONLY 16! I dont NEED to know about all of those corrupted politicians. I dont really care either. :]
Oy Oy Oy Oy Oy Oy Oy Oy- I dont know but its been said, Evil Pundit has a very big head!
Oy Oy Oy Oy Oy!!! *FIST BUMP* yeah!
I don’t think people with a 4th grade reading level take The New Yorker.
Free speech is also powerful and dangerous.
Journalism is not limited to newspapers, nor is it confined to the print media. Unfortunately, most of what passes for journalism these days is commentary by someone with an ideological axe to grind with just the least amount of factual content to make it considered news.
And to the poster who referred to Rush Limbaugh as a journalist, he has never referred to himself as such; he has always made it clear that his radio show is of an editorial nature and, whether you agree with him or not, that makes him much more honest than almost anyone calling himself a “journalist” these days.
Did I come to the wrong place or did this briefly appear on the Fails page? Probably we’ll never know the truth (there are powerful forces at work here, people).
It was a glitch in the matrix, it’s because you commented about the fact that it shouldn’t be in failblog! ITS YOU I TELL YOU!
Smart people will buy a copy of this magazine and put it in a safe deposit box and pass it down to their great great great grandchildren. This is the type of item you will see on Antiques Road Show in 100 years… and it will probably go for a decent price. Fail? No. Definite investment win if Obama wins the presidency.
And no, I’m not from New York. I’m from Atlanta. You don’t have to be from New York to understand The New Yorker.
This is a case of captioner “FAIL” in that it’s clearly satire…and basically making fun of those who hold various and somewhat silly misconceptions of the man, Obama himself. As far as satire goes, the cover actually works pretty well.
It is sad that the New Yorker should feel it has to either dumb-down it’s satire in the future, much less explain the nature of satire here. The fact that it got voted up to the page makes a sad case for the voters for these pages.
Also given away is the sensitivity of Obama supporters about the man himself.
It got voted up because so many people feel that Obama’s image should not be tarnished – only McCain’s. They probably didn’t even read the text.
Here’s what’s wrong with this cover.
First I would like to point out that I am fully aware that this was meant to be sattirical of the people who have been criticizing Obama on such idiotic things like the “terrorist fist jab” (As opposed to a patriotic high five? Also, does this make Howie Mandel a terrorist?) and that he is supposedly a muslim (So what if he is, we had a christian president for the last 8 years and we see how THAT worked.) And so forth and so on.
First problem is that alot of people don’t read the new yorker, and aren’t accustomed to their humour (I’ll admit I don’t read it. Always seemed too pretentious for me)
Second, that picture is now going to be seen all over the place because of the hype around it, and the masses who see it might not be the sharpest tools in the shed, and might not recognize satire when they see it.
Third, this one is two part, There’s nothing on the pic that would indicate it as being satire to someone who is unfamiliar with the new yorker, not sure what you would put on it to make it obvious, but I’m sure there’s something they could have done, and the other part of item 3 is the fact that it was on the cover, so everyone, even people unfamiliar with that particular brand of humour, will see it and many will misinterpret it. And now for an abrupt end to my rant.
Comment WIN.
There’s satire, etc. and then there’s just…tasteless? Like that infamous crucifix in a jar of urine. It’s just so…pretentiously provocative? Tries to say something without having anything to say? Reeks too much of effort?
It’s like this illustration set out on the yellow brick road, went around the mountain, looked for Moses, fell off a 13th storey building and ended up in the deep blue sea, far far away from where it was supposed to be going in the first place.
Satire is meant to be inherent and communicate to all peoples, everywhere, not “Oh I say, that was rather fantastic, wasn’t it? *twitter*”
If it doesn’t do that, it’s fail, it really is.
“Piss Christ” reference WIN
Satire will never communicate to all peoples everywhere. It’s not actually meant for that. It’s meant for thinking people – if you look at satire (any satire, not this in specific) with an empty mind, you will completely miss the point. And it’s sad to say that most Americans these days are thinking with an empty mind.
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Obama denounced this…as he thought it was offensive to Muslims.
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all I got to say is this is our future! Once a muslim ALWAYS a muslim
1) There is no shame in being a Muslim.
2) The Muslim religion is atually one of peace.
3) Fanatics and zealots of any religion should not be seen as the whole religion
4) He is not a Muslim he went to a Muslim elementary school – this is like going to a Catholic school in the states, not all of the students are in fact Catholic – it is just sometimes a better school.
I would like to point out that Christianity has a very bloody past and really should not be held up as any kind of guideline for other religions.
Crusades ring any bells?
Understanding sarcasm fail
I will cop to not “reading” a sarcastic tone into the bigoted remark about once a muslim …
I also stand by my assertion that all of the “female” names are most likely the same person trying to validate his opinion by adding voices to his cause.
first off, I’m not the same person. And secondly, Jellybeans, you have no sense of humor. Sorry to say, but it’s apparently true. Try taking what the people say as they mean it, not as your negative interpretation dictates.
There’s nothing to indicate sarcasm or wry humor in that line. I hear enough of that drivel spoken seriously to automatically assume tongue in cheek. The responses to jellybeans appear, honestly, like back-peddling.
Not truly.
The word ‘got’, in the leading comment, as well as the lack of punctuation separating meaningful clauses go to show the ‘attitude’ of the comment, whether it is done consciously or not.
Sarcasm, it is. Recognise it.
I dont like TheLarrkin.
Understanding Islam fail.
Islam is not a religion of peace, it’s a religion of conquest. Osama bin Laden actually has the right idea about Islam.
As for Obama — he’s obviously not a Muslim in terms of his personal beliefs. Obama believes in Obama, and that’s all of it. But technically, Muslims would consider him a Muslim because he was born to a Muslim father, and so currently he would be a Muslim apostate. In Islam, the penalty for apostasy is death.
This is completely false and you should be ashamed to be so ignorant. There has been a lot more converting by the sword (conquest) in Christianity than in Islam and do you know why? Because it is expressly forbidden to do so in the Islamic faith.
People look at a bunch of wack job terrorists and assume that this is Islam. They then go and tell all their little buddies that this is Islam. The original intent of Islam is practiced by far more people than the perverted version we see splashed on the news. It is very much like looking at the polygamy cult and claiming that all Mormons are pedo’s. No sane, intelligent person would say that.
Lrn 2 history.
Also, read the Koran.
You obviously need to take your own advice. Stop spreading lies and hate … oh, wait … you are pro-Bush.
I have read the Koran as it was intended, in its original language (not some contaminated English translation), as well as many other books including the Sunnah and Hadith, and they are not quite the cleanest of books. In fact, there are quite a few points where they contradict the ‘Islam is Peace’ view of their defining religion.
Actually, the penalty for converting from being a Muslim to being a Christian is death . If you convert from Christianity to Muslim, people just shake their heads.
Most bigots you mean. Who else would give 2 shakes what religion anyone else is??
I am constantly surprised by the whining about fairness and equality of treatment that comes from you crotchwaffles when half of your posts are blatantly bigoted.
The fellow who came to America, as a Muslim, and converted to Christianity and was at our church, that’s who cares. He went back to Africa to be a Christian missionary and when he went back to his hometown, was tied to a pole with a tire around his neck. After being forced to watch his wife being chopped up with machetes, they then set the tire on fire and burned him to death.
Try calling him a crotchwaffle, Ahole! What else do the Muslims have to do before you realize what is really going on ? Except maybe when they put a tire around your neck ?
As said before, McCain gets the “old this, old that” jokes constantly. When someone touches a hot topic with Obama and pokes fun, it is all of a sudden offensive and in poor taste? What, is that hypocrisy I smell? Obama will be the end of the United States if elected into office.
yes i see the comparison, calling someone old–calling someone a terrorist.
i guess that solves that, it’s not like any one over the age of 50 has ever worked in politics.
if you are trying to prove that Obama is not attacked like McCain is, you might not want to lay out your extreme bias as part of the argument.
BWAHAHAHAHA! Soooooo….. you think that the Atlantic Monthly is calling Obama a terrorist? You really have no concept of satire, do you?
No, he knows its not. This is “Seth, you are a terrorist.” A terrorist against thought. You who practice radical relativism.
lolbammy wasn’t responding to me, steve. And I’m against repugs, who do not think at all, so I can’t be a terrorist against thought. I also don’t practice any kind of relativism, rather, I call out people like you, who feel it is okay to insult and degrade others, and post unsupported accusations, but then turn around and complain when anyone else behaves in the same fashion. Hypocrite.
Its cool bro. I have been joking on the whole “You are a terrorist” thing all over this site. I am trying to show how rediculous it is to call everyone a terrorist. I do believe you practice relativism. You do it here all the time. Every time you make a “Two wrongs make a right argument” you are doing it. I use your name all the time when I make those examples. You are to the Douchenozzles what Evil Pundit is to the crotchwaffles.
Are all these 3 and 4 letter female named people the same? I think maybe it is all one person spamming.
PS – Look at the pictures of presidents when they swear in. Compare to pictures of the same men 4 years later. The presidency AGES a person terribly and let’s be honest, McCain doesn’t have a lot of leeway in the aging terribly department. Do you want the man dead? Putting a 71 year old in the oval office is like chopping his remaining years in half.
PPS- Putting THIS 71 year old man in office would be setting women’s rights back about 100 years. He is the only senator ever to score a perfect zero on women’s issues. If you are a woman I hope you don’t use birth control. If you do use it I hope you don’t use your insurance to pay for it. McCain is against birth control being covered by insurance. We are not just talking Roe v Wade, we are talking him being against any options for preventing pregnancy in the first place.
I cannot see how any self respecting and self aware woman could vote for this man.
well i’m not american so i’m more concerned the effects of any new president will have on our backward, idiot of a leader. for a homophobe he’s sure stuck pretty far up bush’s ass.
Please don’t name your country… I suspectt hey’d rather not have you representing them.
uuh why, because i think my country’s leader is a hateful asshole, so does the majority of the country? or maybe it’s that your sentence comprehension is as good as it’s structure and logic.
Citations please. Come on butterbeans, you know the drill. Wild claims require citations. And remember “.org” quotes will be met with disdain.
i can has comments? I think my response will probably double post in a moment … until then – google: youtube mccain planned parenthood
huh … still not posted. Must be the topic. At any rate McCain scored a 0 in women’s issues. Most likely because the woman closest to him is some creepy borg/stepford creature with no personality.
“And remember “.org” quotes will be met with disdain.”
Is that because they are sites created by non-profit organizations? Hell, we all know the liberal bias of colleges; better turn your nose up at any “.edu” sites as well.
Yes, obviously the only reliable sources are those ending with .gov.
Good job Jellybeans. I agree with you about birth control. What about the innocent people like me who are on it because their health is in danger when not on it. I already signed and wrote a big long letter at planned parenthood. I urge you all that agree with us to do the same.
Please, the end of the US? How little faith you have in your country. And how little knowledge you have of history. Bush was the worst president we’ve ever had, and he didn’t manage to end the country. I doubt it’s even possible to do a worse job than him, so I think we’re safe.
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But I agree that the response to this picture has been ridiculous.
If you think that this isn’t the beginning of an end of something, you aren’t going outside. I don’t know about you, but my 400 dollar electricity bills and 5/gallon gas bills aren’t helping my personal savings account.
And screw the economic stimulus checks. You realize how screwed most people are for actually spending those? /sigh
Depression, I’m ready for you. Not really, but I prefer not to be terrified when it happens.
It is possible to have an energy bill less than $200 these days.
You’re just failing at being an energy saver.
And for the gas?
You seriously are not going to the right places or have diesel fuel (which is like $5 per gallon in CA) because it’s not even $5 in Hawaii.
You should be terrified for when depression happens, you’re not saving money right.
Good point on the stimulus checks. They are shorting the country in the long run .
I have complete faith in my country. I have no faith in politicians who wish to change it into something very wrong.
Bush is going to be a walk in the park by comparison. But go ahead and vote for your fearless leader Obama. See how long it takes him to make the Bush blunder a fond memory of the “good ol’ days”.
If Obama can’t deal with a political cartoon, he’s not ready to be president.
There is nothing to be dealt with, he didn’t deal with anything. It’s his supporters who are nagging so much, not the man himself.
Actually he did his typical complaining-while-pretending-not-to-complain schtick.
Amusingly, he also asserted that it was insulting to Arabs. Yeah… bring them people together, B-HO.
Obama is such a crybaby.
DUH!
It seems these media sources just point out and make fun of what someone else said. Kudos to those who ‘got it’, lawlz making fun of fox and people’s belief that Obama is a terrorist.
It seems the media just keeps pinning it on the other guy. Fox must report on this “terrorist fist jab” that “everyone seems to interpret differently” and what does that result in, having to apologize as people viewed that as calling Obama a terrorist. All it does is fuel the fire of those who don’t know any better or validate those who believe these things.
I think people have every right to be a bit touchy about being called a terrorist, have you existed in the world in the last few years? Come back from vacation with a tan and you’ve got two hours of dogs in your luggage looking for toothpaste.
there won’t ever be a political discussion win on here. it’s a pundit message board, it’s the internet version of Colert’s The Word, but without it being funny.
You terrorist.
so totally true, i am part of the painfully white irish order led by conan o’brien.
no red headed step child left behind.
Ability to understand satire…FAIL.
Ability to understand satire of satire… also FAIL.
Um…. you think the word “FAIL” is satire? That’s kinda like thinking that doing a connect-the-dots picture is Art.
Oh, but it is. Komrade, don’t you know creativity, freedom of thought/expression is thoughtcrime?
We must all defend and venerate our fearless leader Obama. How else will he deliver us from the evils of freedom?
Whut, so Obama is a communist dictator now? Pushing the boat out a little perhaps?
No. Not really. His cult of personality and fanatical followers have pushed that boat far into the harbor already.
Are you saying it isn’t? Not good art, perhaps, but still art.
In what way is blindly following a mechanical process art?
I suppose that the person who created the connect-the-dots was an artist, but not the one that connects them. Otherwise, you might as well count brushing your teeth as “art”.
I think if you roll around in blue paint and then stand on one leg and brush your teeth while making guttural noises in the middle of a park it could be called art.
Or a REALLY good Saturday night on the town…
You obviously are not one to critique art. FAIL is the least satirical part of the caption. Relating “responsible journalism” to the New Yorker is.
I guess I shouldn’t have assumed a majority of people on here would know that (though it’s a public forum, so plenty will act like they know everything), but then again, there are plenty of crotchwafflers who also really do believe Obama is a Muslim extremist.
Snicker. The pattern is :
“FAIL”
It is a declarative statement, placed into a standard form.
Sorry, but simply stating that something is not successful is not automatically “satire”.
Sheesh.
Dang comment poster, it ate part of my text.
The pattern mentioned above is :
[OPPOSITE THING] “FAIL”
Which is no more “satire” than :
[OPPOSITE THING] … NOT!
Or even :
[OPPOSITE THING] is not correct.
Biased website fail (punditchicken duh.)
It’s taking the piss out of ridiculous rumours and prejudices, not Obama or his wife or Muslims bla de bla. This is a case of lots of people being just too damn thick to understand satire when they see it. And some of these people deciding to get all offended about it, because they like getting offended.
an alternate explanation would be that they so fear mockery directed at the Obamamessiah, they don’t engage their brains before reacting.
I like your name. FlingDeCow. :]
For all those people saying that america is going to end with obama. Look into the mayan prediction of the end of the world. If you ask me the ball is already rolling and something big will happen if mccain or obama are in office.
Tinfoil Hat win?
Common sense fail?
‘something big will happen if mccain or obama are in office.’
Vague prediction on epic scale.
Oh, I didn’t recognize Obama at first. Even now that I know it’s him I find it hard to recognize him :p
How about, American public not understanding satire fail?
The American public understands it fine. It was a boatload of Douchenozzles that got all offended (Obama not being one of them, to his credit).
Um, actually he did his complain-while-pretending-not-to thing.
Actually, he answered a question. He did not come out and make a statement of his own accord. Someone asked, he answered. I do not think that is the same as complaining. I have trouble explaining the difference to my wife, so it may not make sense to you either. I agree that he does do that complain-while-not-complaining thing though and I think it is totally annoying.
… not to mention he didn’t sob about the portrayal of him, but that it was insulting to Muslims.
His fault is (like the initial cartoon) not spelling things out for the idiots and dittoheads (of both parties). He should have said something along the lines ogf “I get that it’s a joke, but there are parts of this joke I see as an insult to people of a perfectly reasonable faith.”
[No, wait: that would be admitting that not ever Muslim is an "Islamofascist"
and yahoos like O'Rly and Rush would have a field day.]
Good Freakin Lord! I’m placing my money on this winning “Most Commented On” for the week…..
Diversity of opinion is interesting. The Bush is dumb and McCain is old lols are a dime a dozen. But when there is something like this where the messiah is possibly threatened, well you can see the difference in the amount of comments. Keep it up PK!
But Bush is dumb and McCain is old … Obama isn’t the Messiah, he is just a lot better than the alternative. When you only get 2 choices you go with the one closest to your own ideals.
Not everything about Obama matches what I would like in a president but nearly everything about McCain completely goes against what I want.
But Obama is a racist and a terrorist supporter.
I know, I’m on vacation (and brought my laptop, I know, I’m a dork) and can’t check very often. I can hardly follow what’s going on, let alone comment in depth!
commect the dots isn’t art?
For the first time in my adult life I am proud of the New Yorker!
I’m proud of it as well, but I have a funny feeling you didn’t get the joke…
Just adding my own little twist.
There’s more truth in this cartoon than the New Yorker thinks …
Exactly!
I captioned it “Hitting the Nail on the Head”.
Yes, I captioned it “It’s funny because it’s true”.
Of course, these versions somehow didn’t make it to the voting page.
Sigh ! Yep, they never do. Check out my profile and faves.
What’s true? You can’t seriously think Obama is a Muslim! I mean, come on, that has been debunked six ways from Sunday. It’s like believing the moon landing was faked, the earth is flat, and the sun revolves around it. Just because you don’t like the guy is no reason to go on repeating things that have been proven, over and over again, to be complete fabrications. Sigh, I guess people believe what they want to believe, facts be damned.
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But if we are going to just go making shit up, did you know that McCain was brainwashed into being a communist robot while he was a POW? He is going to give control of the USA to his communist masters once elected. It’s true~!
He might not be a muslim, but he has said many things and associated with many people that make his motives for this country rather questionable. He is an obvious marxist and about the only thing I’ve seen that he has to offer is he is a fantastic speaker. Hitler, by the way was also a fantastic speaker, which I only mention to point out the fact that being a great speaker doesn’t make you a great leader.
A Marxist? I wish he was that left wing. He’s a centrist, as middle of the road as they come.
Middle of the road when trying to get elected president. But his past shows a pretty left wing individual.
Actually, his senate voting record is even more Liberal than Kennedy’s!
Why would his being a Muslim make him a horrible president? If he is Christian, hes ok? Thats SO common republican right now. Its so annoying. Why are we going back to racism? He is a person with ideas. His skin was left out in the sun for awhile if you want to put it that way. He hasnt said anything about any religion affecting his presidential state. Learn to love people with darker skin. (Though I am one to talk… I have milk as skin!)
Being a muslim is not a race and you will not necessarily be a particular race if you are a muslim. So, why is that racist? Most of them are white, yes Arabs are Aryans. If you look at what is happening in Darfur you might wonder who is being racist.
Or probably more correct to say they are Caucasian.
Well, you get my point. White or not- he is (was) muslim, and the american race hates him just for that. I hear a lot of crap about how Obama is black or hes a terrorist. Just because he went to a muslim school? Just because hes a little bit tanner than all of our other mind-boggling presidents?
I know all about Darfur. I try to be as big of an advocate as I can.
Erin, there are a lot of people who are anti-Obama but are not necessarily racist. There are even black Americans who will not vote for him because they do not like his policies. It has nothing to do with him being dark skinned. I would vote for a black man or woman in a heart beat if they shared my values and I believed in them. I believe I read a comment from you that says you are young? (I apologize if it wan’t you) If you are, you are doing great even being interested in politics at your age. Just make sure you look carefully at both sides and don’t be fooled by buzz words like “racist”
I am young. Im 16. But I have done a lot of research, considering Im on summer break, and I have gotten a lot of feedback from both sides. Im just saying that a lot of people who will not vote for Obama are saying its because hes a “stupid terrorist supporter”. That, beyond all opinions is what gets my attention. Its by far the stupidest reason to not vote for a person. I do understand both sides, and Im glad youre concerned. Youre nicer than a lot of the people on here. Youre the first at not saying “stupid child”. I think Im fairly bright for my age.
But I do know about McCain and his ideas, and Obama and his ideas. I will never agree to most of McCains ideas, and I agree with the majority of Obamas. I completely understand that there are more people saying that they dont agree with Obamas ideas than just plain hating him because of his race or religion or what have you. I just focus more on the idea of them being racist because theyre saying crap like “terrorist fist jab” and “terrorist supporter”. If he was white, you could agree that most of those people couldnt say something like that.
I may be young, but Im strong!!!!!
Good for you Erin, keep looking on both sides! The truth will always win out in my opinion, but sometimes you have to hunt for it.
I just want to jump in here to say that Erin is right, there seems to be a lot of “stupid child” opinions on this site. I’ve stopped disclosing my name and age because everyone seems to think that because I’m under 30, my political opinions are misled and foolish. So kudos to ema for proving not everyone here is the same.
As a side note to all the people who think I’m ignorant because I haven’t gotten a high school diploma yet, I had a 100 overall average in American History, a 99 on the NYS Regents exam (in the same subject), and a 5 on the College Board Advanced Placement exam, (also same subject). Oh, and I did it all in one year. I’ll be going to an Ivy League University next August to get my certification to become a history teacher. Not all young people are ignorant, and age doesn’t automatically guarantee wisdom.
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Do some more research. Google “Bill Ayers” and you’ll see why many people think Obama is a terrorist supporter.
Evil Pundit, that was ridiculously out of context.
I agree with Float’s agree. :]
Maybe I dont know everything about Bush and Obama and McCain, but I do know what I need to. I could care less about the size of McCain’s turkey that he ate last night and whether it was free range or caged.
Try thinking that Bill Ayers is lying and he could be swaying his fans because hes so republican. Poeple (more like idiots) will take a stuffed bunny:
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and turn it into a moster that eats children because it has large ears.
People change things around. Take Ema’s advice- go look at everything before being such a hardheaded jackass. Youre allowed to have opinions…just dont try to prove people wrong with the bunny.
Nobody is talking about turkeys.
You said, up above, that “a lot of people who will not vote for Obama are saying its because hes a “stupid terrorist supporter”.
Well, that’s because he has a close association with a terrorist — Bill Ayers. They served on the same committee, Ayers donated money to Obama’s campaign, and Ayers let Obama use his house for his Senate campaign launch.
Look it up.
Now you’re just making things up, Erin.
Go to Google and look up the facts.
Okay, to make you happy, I googled Bill Ayers, not that I didn’t already know who he was. I’m afraid I’m fascinated by the 1960′s moreso than any other historical time period. I was probably the only person on the edge of my chair when we watched the documentary “The Weather Underground” in class. My backpack has a giant neon peace sign and the words “Make Love, Not War” and “Where Words Fail, MUSIC SPEAKS.” I have a hemp peace bracelet around my wrist, my hair is down to my waist, and I’m wearing bellbottoms. My only problem is that I was born 40 years too late.
To make a pre-emptive rebuttal, I don’t agree with SDS or the Weatherman. I think the Vietnam War was, in a word, stupid, and feel the same about Iraq. I do think some wars have been necessary to ensure our freedom as Americans, but we have accomplished nothing in Vietnam or Iraq, and we need to get our troops home now before they end up being as hated as the Vietnam vets were.
Anyway, here’s a quote from Time Magazine on the matter.
“If Obama’s relationship with Ayers, however tangential, exposes Obama as a radical himself, or at least as a man with terrible judgment, he shares that radicalism or terrible judgment with a comically respectable list of Chicagoans and others–including Republicans and conservatives–who have embraced Ayers and Dohrn as good company, good citizens, even experts on children’s issues. Northwestern created a “family justice” center for Dohrn to run. Ayers is a “distinguished professor” at the University of Illinois. They write Op-Eds and are often quoted in the Tribune, where, if they are identified at all beyond their academic titles, it is usually as “activists” who have never abandoned their noble ideals.”
-”Rejecting Obama’s Radical Friends,” Michael Kinsley, May 29, 2008
The ball is back in your court.
Thanks for confirming the association between Obama and Ayers.
No doubt Ayers has other associates, since he’s considered a “respectable academic”. This speaks poorly for the judgement of those who choose to stand with him.
But Ayers’ other friends are not candidates for President of the United States. At the very least, Obama’s continuing association with the likes of Bill Ayers, Tony Rezko and Jeremiah Wright shows that he lacks the judgement necessary for the position. At the worst, it marks him as a hater of America and its institutions.
Erin, you do have to look honestly at both sides, even if it is something you don’t like to hear. Obama does have some terrorist associations that can’t be ignored. It has nothing to do with racism, he is associated with Bill Ayers and it is well reported, it’s not made up. His candidacy was also endorsed by the terrorist group Hamas. What you make of these things is up to you.
I’m going to go ahead and agree with Erin here and also break my rule of keeping my comments as G-rated as possible. You really are a hard-headed jackass. Here’s some more quotes from the same article. See my last comment for the reference info.
“Is this association between Obama and these dangerous radicals a scandal? Or is the scandal digging up all this ancient history? Those have been the options in the debate. But the truth is a third option: Ayers and Dohrn are despicable, and yet making an issue of Obama’s relationship with them is absurd.”
“In America we believe in redemption and even self-reinvention.”
“Ayers and Dohrn never posed any real threat to U.S. national security. Their asinine chatter about killing people and their anti-American sloganeering were as ineffective as their bombs.”
“When it became clear even to them that there would not be violent revolution in America, Ayers and Dohrn shrugged and rejoined society in Chicago, where he had grown up.”
“In a way, the joke is on Ayers and Dohrn. For heaven’s sake, what does it take to upset these Brahmins? But in a bigger way, the joke is on the rest of us. We thought they meant what they said.”
Do you want more? Check again, Evil. Your move.
I am googling all I can.
I will come back here with my decision. But just because Ayers has terrorist connections doesnt mean that Obama is a terrorist supporter. I will be right back all.
I could copy-and-paste walls of text from my favourite sources too, Butterfly, but it would be a waste of time.
You can try to rationalise it as much as you like, but Ayers is an unrepentant terrorist who said, on September 11th 2001, that he wished he had done more. In 2002 he was photographed standing on an American flag. This hater is just one of Obama’s close associates.
Add in the convicted criminal fixer Tony Rezko, who paid for half of Obnama’s property, the race-baiting Reverend Wright who inspireds and taught Obama for twenty years, and an ugly picture begins to emerge.
Ayers is just the tip of the iceberg.
This is what I found.
“…was a 1960s leader of the homegrown terrorist group Weatherman, a Communist-driven splinter faction of Students for a Democratic Society. Characterizing Weatherman as “an American Red Army,” Ayers summed up the organization’s ideology as follows: “Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, Kill your parents.” ”
“…his terrorist campaign across America, and his enduring hatred for for the United States. “What a country,” Ayers said in 2001. “It makes me want to puke.” ”
“I don’t regret setting bombs, said Ayers in 2001, “I feel we didn’t do enough.”
“Is there anything here that raises questions about Obama’s judgment or is this just another example of guilt by association?”
So just because he has an association, hes a terrorist supporter?
“So just because he has an association, hes a terrorist supporter?”
Only Obama. McCain can fellate the Grand Dragon of the KKK, and Evil Pundit only make up a new slur for the Democrats and those left of center.
Obama is technically a Muslim under Islamic law because his father was a Muslim. The fact that he no longer believes in Islam only makes him an apostate in the eyes of Muslims.
Obama is a terrorist supporter — his close associate Bill Ayers is an unrepentant terrorist.
Obama refused to wear an American flag lapel pin, until his and Michelle’s rejection of America became a campaign issue.
There’s plenty of grains of truth in that cartoon.
“Close associate Bill Ayers” my ass! They sat on a council together, and Bill gave Barack money for the campaign.
The Weathermen?! HA! They were a joke of a revolutionary movement: a bunch of dumb college kids wanting to tear down the government. You might as ell count the Boy Scouts as a paramilitray operation.
Q: How many people died at the hands of the Weathermen?
A: 2. Two members of the Weathermen blew themselves up while building a bomb. That’s how organized this terrorist cell was.
Q: What exactly did Ayers do in bombing the Pentagon?
A: He blew up a toilet. No injuries, no casualties, just a blown-up toilet.
You never tire of parroting lies, do you? The whole Muslim thing has been debunked to death, yet you won’t listen to the truth. Ayers is in no way a ‘close associate’ of Obama. They were on the board of the Woods Fund Chicago for a brief time. The American flag lapel thing is just stupid. Do you wear one?
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All this just proves you have nothing substantial to sling at Obama. Yu don’t even have any fresh lies, just the same old stale ones that no one outside of a few delusional far right extremists believes. It’s just you and a handful of kooks who think that way. No sane, normal person believes your lies, sorry. Face it, you are out of step with the rest of the country.
“”Face it, you are out of step with the rest of the country.”"
For which the rest of us thank our lucky stars. If ED … err EP was the compass of America I would be heartily sickened. Intolerance, Bigotry and Lies=Bush … NOT Americans in general.
Ayers’ house was the setting for Obama’s first Senate campaign launch. Obama is closely associated with this unrepentant terrorist.
If Americans look into Obama’s past, they will not like what they see.
Bullshit parroted by right wing extremist nutjobs with no proof. Hey, look, I’ can be just like you: McCain eats babies! Look, now you read it on teh Intarwebs, it must be true!
Why don’t you look it up?
Of course, you wouldn’t like the facts.
Why bother with facts? You don’t appear to let truth hinder anything you say.
My posts are all based on facts. However, you Obamabots simply ignore those.
and us Obamabots offer OUR facts. NOT from FOX.
Maybe you need to check snopes, something many people fail to do before making an ass of themselves on here.
Maybe you need to check Obama’s history before spouting your ignorance.
Maybe you need to check it at a more reliable source than the kind of crap you get franticly forwarded about your church mailing list.
Maybe you need to check Obama’s history.
But then, you wouldn’t want to be confused by facts, would you?
Wait… if you’re here…
… then who’s guarding your bridge?
Way to repeat yourself… Nice comeback dude! Maybe YOU have to check Obamas past…talk to him about it. Call him up and start a convo with him, and then come to me and tell me that he is a terrorist supporter.
Look it up. “Bill Ayers”. Google is your friend.
I have you idiot! And yes- Bill Ayers is a terrorist supporter if not a terrorist himself but association doesnt mean Obama IS a terrorist supporter!!! Thats like me having a friend who does pot…doesnt mean I do it too.
I’ve been saying that since I logged on. haha.
haha- we think alike, us obamabots! I dunno but Ive been told…!
The fact is that Obama chose to associate with Bill Ayers, to work with him on the same committee, to accept political donations from him, and tio launch his Senate campaign at Ayers’ house. This is not mere association, it is cooperation and approval, amounting to support of Ayers.
Ayers is a terrorist by his own admission. Ayers has stated that he does not regret being a terrorist, and that he wishes he had committed more terrorist acts than he did. Obama supports Ayers. Therefore, Obama is a terrorist supporter.
lol, are we gonna start this again? Can’t you support someone without actually supprting everything they do? Like I said, I have an extremely close friend who is a drug addict. Do I do drugs? No. Do I like the fact that he does drugs? No. I lose quite a bit of sleep worrying about him. Do I support his drug use? No. I beg him to stop every day actually. But do I support him? YES. Wholeheartedly.
So do I support a drug addict? Yes.
Am I a drug addict supporter? No.
English is an odd language in that changing words around changes meanings. And yea, politics are born unto ye.
You can have the common sense not to become closely involved with a self-admitted terrorist. Obama either lacks such sense — which renders him unfit for leadership — or supports Ayers’ political views, which also renders him unfit.
Dear Pot:
You’re black, too.
Yours,
Kettle
You Obama kool-aid drinkers are idiots. McCain supporters are too. Neither of these hacks is worthy of the presidency. Both typical politicians that will lie and say whatever they think needs to be said at the time to get into power. THEY ARE HACKS. Never vote for an incumbent – NEVER.
Sadly, this election is like a lot of them- we’re not voting for the best person for the job; we’re voting for the one we dislike the least.
Agreed. Obama isn’t my first choice, Hilary wasn’t either but at least they are better (in my opinion) than any of the same’ol same’ol republican good ol’boys network.
Personally, I wish Rodney Dangerfield was still alive- he would have made a perfect Vice-President- he wouldn’t get no respect!
Amazing people are still commenting like mad in here… What could that possibly mean?
It means that PK FINALLY put up a LOL that makes serious fun of Obama- and the Libtards have gone nuts! Sorta like a Danish cartoon depicting Allah, it’s cause for a Jihad! The Obamamaniacs are screaming like a monkeyhouse at the zoo after you throw in a live snake- including the poo flinging !
Personally, I think Obama is the Anti-Christ.
Wow, you seem to talk about “monkey poo” a lot. It’s funny, I know someone else who does the same thing. Of course, it’s the 12-year-old I babysit. hehehe.
Personally, I’m an Obama fan, and I haven’t made as big of a deal about this as I did about Hillary bringing up Bobby Kennedy’s assassination. This was just a bad attempt at satire that got overblown by the media and subsequently misinterpreted by the ignorant masses. Bringing up Bobby Kennedy, now that was distasteful.
See other comments as to who started the monkey-poo flinging comment- it just seems to fit the whiney Liberals who can’t seem to think of any intelligent arguements, so they say first grade insults like “You’re dumb!” or ” He’s old!”. Such high class intellect!
Go check on your 12 year old- but don’t argue politics with him- he’ll pawn your ass…..
I’m just saying that I’ve noticed you talking about it a lot, but I haven’t seen anyone else say anything of the sort. I’ll admit I haven’t read every comment on PK, so I apologize for jumping to conclusions and insulting your fragile ego. I wasn’t aware it was sensitive territory. I shall tread more carefully in the future, you have my word.
I’m actually centrist for your information. And if you think “monkey poo” is such an unintelligent subject, why continue it?
I said I babysit a 12-year-old, not that I’m presently babysitting him. He’s with his parents at the moment. If I were to check up on him right now, I think that might concern them a bit. haha. Please promise to read more carefully, and I won’t make fun of your insecurities anymore. Do we have an accord?
(please note that I’ve had a smile on my face the entire time I was typing this. I really am just fooling around to see who will react and who will play along. I’m a teenager who’s too smart for her own good and is out of school for the summer. I prefer entertainment through political debate over hours spent on MySpace, but if you’d rather I go make myself an account and join the uniform masses, I still won’t. There is far too much fun to be had elsewhere.)
It means that for once, PK actually put on the front page a LOL that makes serious fun of Obama and the libtards have gone beserk that their messiah has been made fun of. It’s like a Danish cartoon showing Allah- the Obamamaniacs have gone ape-shit, like someone throwing a live snake in the monkey house at the zoo!
(lots of screaming and poo flinging)
hueydoc, it’s not that Obama was “made fun of” — the cover satirizes dittoheads like yourself — but that those on the left are sick to death of deliberate lies being spread. I expect some degree of misinformation, but the crap flowing out of lips and assholes of the neoconned is practically obscene. The inability of our opponents to admit fault or defeat makes holding the truth wearisome; how can we compete fairly against your endless stream of bullshit?
So all this fighting on here is really interesting but I would like to point out a few things, correct me if I get anything wrong.
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Fist bumps- tons of people do it, and they don’t get called terriosits it’s become a ‘cool’ thing now and funny sometimes.
Terrorist?- he is being called a terrorist in this picture because it shows the American flag burning and it also shows the terriorist Sadam Huessain in the painting.
Muslim, he is muslim-What I have learned from the people here is that he went to a muslim elementary school, that doesn’t mean he was muslim or is still a muslim.
Mccain gets more jokes- well making a joke about old people is way diffrent then making a joke about race. Old people do a lot of crazy cooky things and John McCain takes these jokes and laughs. Joking about Obama’s race and religion isn’t so good. One if you joke about one persons race you joke about the whole race in general and thats not good. Two the same thing applies to religion. Three do you see many people making jokes about any race anymore, I don’t think so. Four making jokes like the New York Times did is very offense and even John McCain called it offense, he’s basicly being called a terriorist which people aren’t supposed to joke about. I also bet that if Obama was old that he would get a lot of old jokes too.
Again, I did NOT fact check everything so if you can PROVE me wrong I’ll get your point. (yes I am an Obama shipper
If you’re young and not a Liberal, you don’t have a heart.
If your older and not a conservative, you don’t have a brain.
Don’t ask me whose quote that is- I don’t know, but it’s true.
But I know it wasn’t from erin. Thank God she’s not old enough to vote yet !
i remember when we had the right to write what ever we wanted and had freedom of the press but now a days whiney asses want it taken away. the pic is true and they might as well be labled as terrorists cuz they hate america and its values. im so happy i am NOT voting for oslamalamadingdong and voting for mccain.
Sometimes I wonder why I AM voting McCain in November. This is one of those times.
are we done whining yet whiney ass? he or she said what she/he thought was right get over it. personally i agree with she/he. the donkey balls was kinda gross but she/he is right. vote for McCain and shut up.
thats actualy too far.
oh, now you are concerned about ‘responsible journalism’ when it paints the magic negro in a bad light
what a bunch of hypocrites! i’m thumbing through this website only to see 99% of it as negative towards Bush – its obvious the ‘responsible journalism’ went out the door after you injected the daily lefty talking points – which are all untrue.
Um…….no one ever said this site was anything like a journalism site. It’s a LOL site. Left sided or not, they never made any claims to be unbiased. Go read a newspaper or watch the news if you want journalism.
How can you thumb through this website with both thumbs up your ass?
well, the only error I see in this caricature is there is no huan shit on the floor for them to wallow in…, other than that it appears 100% accurate.
Yes, but that’s because you’re batshit crazy.
“knowing what satire is” fail
Timely commenting fail..
I’m sick of this idea that loving your country means supporting every action of its leadership, unconditionally. “America, love it or leave it,” displays the same sort of fanatical thinking that Muslim extremists use to justify terrorism. Real patriots have the balls to stand up and say what is wrong with their country.
I thínk that Ms Obama’s hair, pants and the AK refer to the Black Panther movement, although I could be very wrong, or just depicted as a terrorist’s wife
Anyway, I thought Obama personally did not care about this cartoon.
this: “I believe that we are the most perfect country in the world. Not perfect, but closer than anyone else.” is a little bit over the top.
have you ever been in norway or sweden? those countries are far more closer to so called perfection, than our countries – sad but true. they have working social insurance systems, excellently working educational systems, working national health insurances, strong economy and almost everybody has a job.
america is the land of opportunity. it still has a lot of potential. its just asleep. no matter who will be your next president – he will have a lot of work to do.
I dunno canada seems better to me. I live in the us.
sorry you lost me at fist bumps, I do it. My friends do it.
You obviously did not read what I wrote. I would not expect it to, because it requires some kind of sophistication, which you lack. The country is the country irrespective of its current leadership. You should not love the country only when you are doing well. I am not going to waste my time trying to explain it to you. Suffice to say, Mama Obama appears to be a fairweather friend to her own country. I expect that you probably are the same way for yours friends. Let me guess, you recently became a Boston Celtics fan right? And it is possible to love the country without loving its leaders. Leaders are temporary. That is one reason I love the country.
I had not made that association and could not begin to assess its veracity, but good catch anyways.
Sorry, Steve, you know the rules, heck you just stated them yourself a while back: citations or it’s all bullshit. Where does ‘Mama Obama’ say anything that is specifically derogatory to the country itself, and not merely constructive criticism?
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I don’t watch sports, Steve. The idea of watching sweaty grown men exercise just doesn’t do it for me, but to each their own.
Steve, you yourself just said “Citations please. Come on butterbeans, you know the drill. Wild claims require citations. And remember ‘.org’ quotes will be met with disdain.”
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So, please post some links showing that ‘Mama Obama’ hates our country, from reputable sites, or shut up and slink off to your corner. And please note that reasonable criticism does not equal hate.
So you hate America as much as Obama does. Big deal.
BRAVO!!!
There are many wonderful things about this country but there are just as many things that are wrong. I love America but I don’t love our government. I don’t like that a gaggle of rich old dudes are making themselves and their friends richer by denying services to those who need it most. I don’t like it when people are really better off staying on welfare because there is no basic infrastructure to help them get off of it.
In England if you are on the Dole you have a lot of options for job training available to you. In other countries there is subsidized day care to help parents get back to work. We have a really crappy public transportation system which makes it harder for people to get decent paying jobs if they don’t drive.
I am not saying socialism by any stretch, I am saying use my taxes to do what they were originally meant to do. HELP PEOPLE. Stop bailing out big businesses. Stop slipping your cronies a few softball laws here and there. Stop trying to pump more money into the already bloated top 10% and give a hand to the people who actually need it.
You notice that I placed “I believe” in front of what I wrote? I am not claiming it to be fact. I am stating my opinion and making it obvious that it is my opinion and nothing more. But, while we are at it, you cite social insurance, national health insurance, a socialist education and job system as if they are good things. I disagree. I am not a socialist and disagree with the large government programs they promote. So, in a nutshell, norway and sweden can bite me. I think they suck. But that is just what I think. An opinion. For the time being, I think you suck. But that is just an opinion, and it will likely change in the next five minutes. But thinking that the US is the best country so far, not likely to change. I cannot believe you even compare the US to those two countries. They are not even in the same league.
yes, a healthy, educated, employed population is a terrible terrible thing…
If America is so much closer to perfect than other countries, why are we only 13th in self-reported happiness? http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/lif_hap_net-lifestyle-happiness-net
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People in America claim not to be as happy as people in other countries claim to be. I don’t know how you define perfection in a country, but to me, whether its citizens claim to be happy or not is a large factor.
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You are right, America is not in the same league as Norway or Sweden. Those countries actually make their citizens happy, providing a good value for the tax money they collect. We do not. America needs a lot of work before it is even close to perfection.
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Don’t get me wrong, I love America. But not in the way you do. You seem to love America the way a wife with no self esteem loves their drunken, jobless, abusive husband. I love America like a true patriot: I don’t have to ignore my country’s flaws in order to love it.
i beleave in the constant improvement and enlightenment of the human mind. in your opinion, i suck —> that was straight to the point. in my opinoin, you are close minded and out of date.
why is it wrong to compare those scandinavian states with the usa?
sweden has a working society and is a member of the eu –> nutshell-presumption confuted.
norway also has a working system and is not a member of the eu –> so it is comparable to the usa.
for the language: the people im norway and sweden are better in speaking english than many other people i met – europeans and americans alike. plus they have the sweetest accent i ever heard
on the top, i have to inform you, that they have no socialistic system there, they have got parliamentary monarchies. acting social does not mean being a socialist. i disaproved you on full scale.
clarifications:
acting social – helping each other
socialism: – a non democratic form of government
social insurance: – tax and contribution founded insurences to preserve manpower, health and wealth when you are old.
america is a great country with a lot of potential. but it seams that many people in the us are not giving a shit for each other. we saw the video of the woman who died in the waiting room of the hospital on tv. maybe you are in need of a knife point of social (not socialistic) thinking.
about change: things are in a constant change. things are global – when the stocks in new york fall down, frankfurt and tokyo are following. a policy of reprimand is not working anymore.
She’s wearing a Black Panther outfit. And if she said this is the first time she’s proud of her country, she’s not thinking very hard. WWI, WWII, man on the moon, the green (farming!) revolution, the Internet: there are things even a liberal can be proud of about America. There’s plenty to be ashamed of as well, but that does not negate all the good things about this country.
I think that that’s meant to be the hoary old “black revolutionary” look from the Black Panther days,
Steve, I believe that you’re a baby-eating, dog-f0cking, chancre-ridden, fascist dolt.
See what I did there?
But you see, that is where we lose it. It is NOT THE ROLE OF THE GOVERNMENT TO MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY. That is the GREAT LIE of the left. What America promises is the OPPORTUNITY to make yourself happy. I do not leave the responsibility or decision for being happy in anyone else’s hands. Anyone who does (Norway, Sweden) deserves it when it gets lost. And seriously, if you think it is better, why do you stay here? I am not telling you to leave, but it does beg the question. I stay here because I like it here. If I really believed what you people are saying, I would leave. If it was really that bad, I really would. So why do you stay? This is not a “love it or leave it” statement. I have an honest question.
You are retarded. Next time, try a coherent argument. The only time I lost patience with people here is when they fail to add either intelligence or humor to the conversation. Just like you and your above comment.
*sigh* Seth is sooo dreamy!!!
Those rectal-sphincter spasms of yours must really hurt ! (Splat! goes the monkey poo)
You are a hypocrite, you do exactly what you just complained about more often than not. And my point is valid in my opinion. You say Norway and Sweden suck because they have socialist governments and large programs to help and support their populace. I think you are insular and selfish for not wanting America to have the same advantages when it comes to a healthy, educated, employed population.
In the republican’s eyes they don’t want it because it will cost them money in the short term. Think long term though. Think of the welfare savings when people are working. Think of the tax dollars from these new workers. think of the money they can spend in the economy because they are WORKING. There are great brains being wasted in this country because they are born into poverty and into hopelessness. How many innovations have we lost because our population is largely uneducated and unchallenged?
America may provide an opportunity to make yourself happy, but other coutnries provide a better opportunity. It isn’t government’s job to make you happy, it is it’s job to make sure you can pursue happiness. People in other countries have an easier time pursuing happiness. No one leaves the responsibility for happiness in the hands of their government, that is a ridiculous statement.
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But the things that make people happy are universal, and simple, and the US does not provide those things as well as some other places. Researchers have shown that three things correlate with reported happiness: enough money to live on (but more WON’T make you happier, on average), belonging to a community, and belonging to a religion (which is just another type of community, really.)
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We do a great job providing enough money to live on, and religion so obviously, where America fails is in providing community. American individualism actually harms people, makes them less happy. The suburbs cuts people off from each other, and our diversity keeps people apart. This is really only partly the fault of government policy.
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I stay because I love America, and feel a responsibility to help fix all it. It says volumes about your ‘love’ for your country that you assume people who are unhappy here would leave, rather than try to fix what’s wrong. It almost seems as if you love your country only for what it can do for you, not for what it stands for.
i believe in the advance and enlightenment of the human mind. i believe in the possibility, that we can reach every goal if we all keep an open mind start to work together.
the people in norway and sweden are not happy because the government made them happy. they are feeling happy, because they don´t have to worry about the future.
“average joe” is happy, if certain requirements are met. like good schools für the children, healthcare and money after retirement. the state maintains good healthcare etc. to ensure that the citicens are capable to work. those mentioned countries created the prerequisites that could make people happy. look at us germans … we would cry and whine pathetically about life, even if we would live in the perfect society.
to norway and sweden .. i´ve chosen those countries for good reasons.
1. they do have social systems that are working because of contributions made by the insurant.
2. those countries do have the highest educational level in the world.
3. sweden is part of the eu – so the nutshell-argument is out of question.
4. norway is not a member of the eu and nonetherless, they do “play in the same league”
5. their form of government in definately not socialistic. they do have parliamentary monarchies.
please do me a favour and try to find out the (big) difference between socialism and acting social thru the provision of social insurences.
If we want to make American a happy happy place to live, why leave and let everybody else pick up the pieces? Its like making a mess out of confetti. You make the mess, and leave to go shopping. Somebody else has to clean it up before the dog eats it or whatever.
Strange analogy I know.
I’m a liberal, and I’m not at all proud of the Green Revolution. Increased our reliance on petroleum, polluted the environment, caused generations of farmers around the world to lose knowledge about older, more sustainable methods of farming, increased animal suffering, AND caused a population boom.
The way I see loving your country is, it’s like loving your child or your sister. If you see your child or your sister going down the path to destruction, wouldn’t you speak up? I don’t understand people (and I’m not saying anyone commenting here is among them) who think that loving means quietly allowing your loved one to go to the dogs.
Wow, Evil Pundit must be a McCain man. Read 6 lines down from the top of my post. How is THAT interpreted as me hating my country!?!?!?!?! That’s like if I say “I love Dr Pepper” (Equally true statement) someone hearing that and saying “Wow, he really hates that Dr Pepper”. YOU, mssr. Evil Pundit, are what makes the right look like a bunch of idiots.
And then you go on to say you’re not proud to be an American, and falsely to defame American society as being “arrogant, beligerint, impatient, litiguous, sexist, racist, close minded, borderline Theocratic”.
So you do hate America, just like Obama does, and that’s why you’re voting for him.
America’s enemies love Obama.
Ok, I see the flaws in our country and that makes me hate America?
These flaws are why i’m NOT proud to be an American. And I challenge you to dispute any of these claims I have made against America. Or to save time, I will back every one of them up right now. Starting with
Arrogant. Constantly saying “we’re the best nation in the world” regardless if that is actually the case or not, is arrogance. As Lewis Black said, If you worked at an office, and one guy came by your office every day and said “I’m the greatest person here” you’d eat him, just so you could try to possess that greatness.
Belligerent. As the late, great George Carlin pointed out, first, our country has been in a major war on average once every 20 years. Second, whenever we have a problem, we declare ‘war’ on it. Violence is a perfectly accepted part of our culture, deny that? Just watch tv for an evening.
Impatient. We want everything NOW. Fast food, Buy now pay later, Lose weight now, Everything is geared towards instant gratification.
Litiguous. Oh noes, I burnt myself on coffee, I’M SUING. Oh noes, I rolled my winnebago because I thought cruise control doubled as autopilot, I’M SUING, Oh noes, I made a fatass of myself from eating fast food so much… you get the picture
Sexist. Men still on average get paid more than women for identical jobs. Men and Women both are expected to fall into certain gender roles. There are still things in this country that women are just not allowed to do. Oh, and not to mention all the people who were anti Hillary, because they didn’t want a woman president.
Racist. Just like people voted against Hillary because they didn’t want a woman president, people vote against Obama because they don’t want a black president.
Close Minded. You don’t fit into the societal standards of normalcy you’re an outcast. Gay? Not only are you looked down on, people compare other people to you AS AN INSULT!!!. Pagan, 80% of the time people don’t even acknowledge that your religion exists, 19% of the time, they call you devil worshipper, without even TRYING to understand you, 1% of the time people actually accept you. Or think you’re Jewish.
Borderline Theocratic. Can’t buy booze on sundays in places, people want to ban gay marriage, why? because it’s in the bible that gays are bad. People want to post the 10 commandments in government buildings.
So, is there anything in the above post that I ‘just made up’?
Woo!!!! I like Jellybeans!!!
Sorry I didn’t get thes comment up here for you before Mr. Beans. Wait, crap, I just compared you to a Rowan Atkinson character, who while funny, I don’t think you want to be compared to him.
Anyways, Brit comedy refferences aside, I’m glad to see you like my post, and that I’m not the only one in the world who can love something, and still see the flaws in it.
High Five!
You’ve simply listed a bunch of your opinions to justify your hatred of America. I’m pretty sure that the Obamas have a similar list to justify their hatred too.
However, this hatred is based on false perceptions, as well as ignoring all the positive things about the country.
A nation should not be ruled by someone who hates it.
It must hurt having all of that crap coming out of your mouth. Your dentist must hate you…
At least I see one. But don’t worry- your socialist Messiah will make all dental care free, gas $1 a gallon, and rid the country of all pollution, disease and money…err.. taxes..umm………CHANGE! HOPE! CHANGE!
Ok, I shall now PROVE that these are facts, not my opinion.
First, Arrogant, I’m going to guess that it is common knowledge that many people constantly say we’re the best country in the world. So that shouldn’t need proving.
Second, Belligerent, a major war every 20 years. Here’s the list. Granted, not all these are wars, but I think it still gets the point across
American Revolutionary War, 1775 – 1783
Boston campaign, 1775 – 1776
Canadian Theatre, 1775 – 1776
New York and New Jersey campaign, 1776 – 1777
Saratoga Campaign, 1777
Philadelphia Campaign, 1777 – 1778
Western Theatre, 1775 – 1782
Northern Theater, 1778 – 1781
Southern Theatre, 1775 – 1782
Northwest Indian War, 1785 – 1795
Quasi-War, France, 1798 – 1800
[edit] 19th Century
First Barbary War, 1801 – 1805
Sabine Expedition, 1806
War of 1812, 1812 – 1815
Tecumseh’s Rebellion, 1811 – 1813
Lake Champlain Campaign, 1812 – 1814
Niagara Campaign, 1812 – 1814
Detroit Campaign, 1812 – 1814
Chesapeake Campaign, 1813 – 1814
Creek War, 1813 – 1814
Peoria War, 1813
Southern Campaign,
Second Barbary War, 1815
First Seminole War, 1817 – 1818
Winnebago War, 1827
Black Hawk War, 1832
Second Seminole War, 1835 – 1842
Mexican-American War, 1846 – 1848
Cayuse War, 1847 – 1855
Third Seminole War, 1855 – 1858
American Civil War, 1861 – 1865
Union blockade, 1861 – 1865
Eastern Theater, 1861 – 1865
Western Theater, 1861 – 1865
Lower Seaboard Theater, 1861 – 1865
Trans-Mississippi Theater, 1861 – 1865
Dakota Conflict, 1862
Pacific Coast Theater, 1863
Colorado War, 1863 – 1865
Reconstruction, 1865-1876
Red Cloud’s War, 1866 – 1868
Korean Expedition, 1871
Modoc War, 1872 – 1873
Red River War, 1874 – 1875
Black Hills War, 1876 – 1877
Nez Perce War, 1877
Bannock War, 1878
Cheyenne War, 1878 – 1879
Sheepeater Indian War, 1879
Ute War, 1879-1880
Pine Ridge Campaign, 1890-1891
Battle of Leech Lake, 1898
Spanish-American War, 1898
Philippine-American War, 1899 – 1913
[edit] 20th Century
Boxer Rebellion, 1900 – 1902
Banana Wars:
United States occupation of Nicaragua, 1907-1933
United States occupation of Honduras, 1907-1933
Intervention during Panamanian Election, 1908
United States occupation of Cuba, 1912
United States occupation of Veracruz, 1914
United States occupation of Haiti, 1915-1934
Mexican Expedition, 1916 – 1917
United States occupation of the Dominican Republic, 1917-1924
Battle at Nogales, Arizona, 1917
World War I, 1917 – 1918 (time span of U.S. involvement)
European Theatre, 1917 – 1918
First Battle of the Atlantic, 1917 – 1918
Polar Bear Expedition, 1918 – 1919
American Expeditionary Force Siberia, Soviet Union, 1918 – 1920
Yangtze Patrol, 1922-1927
World War II, 1941 – 1945
Second Battle of the Atlantic, 1941 – 1945
Pacific War, 1941 – 1945
African Theatre, 1942 – 1943
European Theatre, 1944 – 1945
United States Intervention in Greek Election, 1947-1949
Operation PBFORTUNE, Guatemala, 1952
Operation Ajax, US overthrow of Iranian Government, 1953
Operation PBSUCCESS, Guatemala, 1954
Bay of Pigs Invasion, Cuba, 1961
Operation Powerpack, Dominican Republic, 1965 – 1966
Korean War, 1950 – 1953
United States overthrow of Guatemalan Government, 1907-1933
Operation Blue Bat, Lebanon, 1958
United States Intervention at Panama Canal, 1958
Vietnam War, 1962 – 1973
United States Occupation of Laos, 1962 – 1973
United States Intervention at Panama Canal, 1964
Cambodian Civil War, 1969 – 1970
United States Overthrow of Chilean Government, 1964
Turkish invasion of Cyprus, 1974
Operation Eagle Claw, Iran hostage crisis, 1980
First Gulf of Sidra Incident, Libya, 1981
Contra War, El Salvador, 1981-1990
Occupation of Beirut, Lebanon, 1982-1984
Invasion of Grenada, Grenada, 1983-1984
Operation El Dorado Canyon, Libya, 1986
Iran-Iraq War, 1987 – 1989
Operation Just Cause, Panama 1989 – 1990
Second Gulf of Sidra Incident, Libya, 1989
Persian Gulf War, Iraq, 1991
Operation Desert Shield, 1991
Operation Desert Storm, 1991
Somali Civil War, 1992 – 1994
Operation Provide Relief, 1992
Operation Restore Hope, 1992 – 1994
Yugoslav wars, 1994 – 1999
Bosnian Conflict, 1994 – 1995
Kosovo Conflict, 1997 – 1999
[edit] 21st Century
War on Terrorism, 2001 – present
Operation Enduring Freedom – Afghanistan 2001 – present
Operation Enduring Freedom – Philippines 2002 – present
Operation Iraqi Freedom – Horn of Africa 2002 – present
Operation Iraqi Freedom, 2003 – present
Waziristan War, 2004 – present
War in Somalia, 2006 – present
Operation Iraqi Freedom – Trans Sahara 2007 – present
Third, Impatient. Drive to work one day and count the fast food joints. I can look up the number of fast food joints in a given area and link you to it if you prefer.
Fourth, Litiguous http://www.stellaawards.com/
Fifth, Sexist. I’ll give one easy example. There are hundreds more, but I’m just proving that the evidence I used to back up each of the ‘qualities’ of the US are fact not opinion. A woman can not join the army as a member of the infantry. There are other jobs they’re not permitted to do as well, but that’s the example I’m going with.
Sixth, Racist. While we’re are oversees fighting terrorists, we have active terrorists here who target african americans, and we do nothing about it. If you think the KKK is anything BUT a terrorist organisation, you’re a jackass.
If by some odd chance you’re IN the KKK? I hope you get eaten by rabid chihuahuas.
Seventh, Close minded. Look at what happens when people try to get gay marriage legalised.
Eighth, Borderline Theocratic. It’s not my OPINION that you can’t buy booze on sunday in MANY places. Likewise it is factual that many have tried to get the 10 commandments posted in courthouses.
And the president doesn’t “rule” the country. The people do. If you were any kind of patriot you would know that.
I’m not going to argue those points. They’re wrong, but they’re also irrelevant to the discussion.
The fact is that you hate America, and you support Obama because he hates America too. Your reasons for developing that hatred don’t matter.
What matters is that electing a President who hates America will be bad for America — and the rest of the world. It’s as simple as that.
I am now officially getting a migraine headache thinking down to your level. Name a single one of those points that is wrong. And they are perfectly relevant because they are backing up the things that I said are wrong with this country.
And now for a quote I like.
“The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then.”
-Thomas Jefferson
Your headache comes from your inability to comprehend the topic.
The topic is not your tired old leftist stereotypes. The topic is your hatred of America.
Regardless of how you may try to justify it, that hatred exists. That hatred is bad for America, it is bad for the world and it is bad for you. If that hatred becomes embodied in the President, it will be a very bad day for the world.
Oh, and when I ask you to dispute any one of those points, I don’t mean just say ‘they’re all wrong’ I want reasons. Or else your argument is pointless.
If you really wish to continue this discussion, say something new. I fiond my last couple posts have been basically the same, because they’ve been responding to the same comment worded a few different ways. If you do not have anything original to say, then don’t waste your time by repeating/rewording your previous statements. You could be using that time to listen to Rush Limbaugh, or Billo the clown, or whatever it is you conservatives do when you’re not parroting your party’s standard rhetoric.
I’m not interested in discussing those points.
Since we’re down to repetition, we might as well end this thread.
Those points are my entire basis of not being proud to be an American, They are what you reffered to as being lies, yet provided no evidence to the contrary. All you did was repeated the same basic message over and over again of “What you say is wrong, you hate america”
So, really the short version of what I’m trying to say is
Evil pundit, intelligent argument, epic fail.
And I’ve said at least three times that I’m not interested in discussing those points, yet you kept on trying to discuss them with me.
Reading comprehension fail.
Ok. You say I hate america.
You back up your claim of my hatred because I say there are problems in the country, and you say these things are “Leftist stereotypes”
I have shown evidence that these claims are fact, thus disproving that they are leftist stereotypes and showing that there are, indeed, problems with our country.
Therefore, you are saying that because I see a flaw in something, even if it is actually there, that I hate whatever it is I see the flaw in.
That’s like saying a doctor hates the people he diagnoses.
So, considering you didn’t want to discuss my “leftist stereotypes” what is it you did want to discuss?
and this is …bad??