*sniff* stupid cheney… i didn’t want him as my myspace friend anyway
(George W. Bush)
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HAH! Ok, now -this- is LOL-worthy! It’s true, after the next President takes office, Bush will be the loneliest man on the planet. I doubt the lecture circuit (the traditional business of ex-politicians) will welcome him, and nobody will buy his book, if he even bothers to have one ghost-written.
But it’s not all bad, Georgie. You’ll always have Crawford.
I’m convinced that he will have a book written and it will be successful. I’m really not pro- or anti- Bush (I believe all politicians are scum or else they wouldn’t be politians) but I think there is a general desire to read in a “WTF was he thinking” capacity? Anyone agree?
I thought it was against the law for a criminal to reap financial benefit from the crimes they commit.
Then why has Clinton written a book?
cause getting a mouth love from fat intern girl just sleazy not illegal
don’t be a puss. we killed a lot of terrorists, now one is in the white house. it was a good run and it couldn’t last forever. now you get a turn.
oh shut up and go attend another Klan meeting
I dunno. I think a President as controversial as George W. Bush would actually clean up quite well doing lectures, and a book would be insanely popular.
Why am I imagining his memoirs being in graphic novel format?
I remember right after W was elected I saw a “George’s first presidential diary” or something like that at Barnes & Noble. It was a picture book and had a listing of how to spell his cabinet members’ names. John Ashcroft had pics of an ashtray and lara croft. I think they mentioned “Uncle Dick” in it too and I’ve called Cheney that ever since.
Though for a graphic novel I think Frank Miller would be up to it. He’s facisticly loyal to American neoconservatism (racist, homophobe, you name it). I mean Holy Terror: Batman. Seriously. *sigh*
Scrap my post at 9:44 am, I do hate Bush.
Lol, point. Why is the world like shit when everybody should be loving each other? I really DO love this caption though, really, it’s fan-effin’-tastic. Loads of cred to MeinHandiKatzen. Is Miller that bad? Didn’t know
I tried to read the Clinton memoirs, but the pages were stuck together………
Hehehehehe.
At least it wasn’t a pop-up.
LOL
HAHHA, nice. It’s ok W, Myspace is over rated anyway.
Bush really wanted history to remember him as a great man. I think he is starting to understand that it will not, and is probably quite sad about that. He finally made a mess so big that daddy, money, and family connections will not be able to fix it or cover it up. The sad thing is, I’m pretty sure he’s incapable of figuring out what he did wrong. He has the disease of privilege. Other people always fixed things for him, and told him he was awesome and superior at the same time. He never had to look at his mistakes, he could just assume that he WAS that awesome and superior, and THAT was why things always worked out for him. Now, no one can fix it, and all his feelings of awesomeness and superiority must be crumbling under the harsh reality of his mistakes. But he has no practice in looking at himself and seeing anything but awesomeness and superiority, so he will never be able to understand what went wrong.
That sounds like the entire “I’m a Baby-Boomer Conservative, but I was there for Woodstock” Generation.
How do you think Clinton feels about his legacy? I think it would have been spotless if it were not for the impeachment. I believe that really eats at him. And I think it took another hit with the way the Obama campaign painted him as a closet racist. I would be angry if I were him. I think he is guilty of the first crime, but not the second. Interesting conversation piece on both of them, I think. You make some good points, especially regarding privelage. I would read the book however, as I have read the memoirs of every modern president so far. Even the ones I did not think were that special.
Clinton’s legacy is more marred by NAFTA, his inability to push through real health care reform, and his deregulation of the mortgage industry. However, he actually had a good legacy to mar in the first place, what with the phenomenal economic growth he brought to America and fiscal sanity he brought to Washington.
lol, you just described (san mortgage dereg.) the reasons I liked the Clinton presidency. NAFTA aided that economic growth btw.
Clinton himself admitted that NAFTA was his biggest mistake. And you may happy that his health care reforms weren’t passed, but it was something he tried to do, and failed. He wanted health care reform. Socialized medicine just works better than a greedy insurance industry. And no, your made up story about your cousin in Canada or England not getting to see a doctor for his cancer is NOT proof that it doesn’t work. Look at the numbers in any country with socialized medicine (which is most of them in the first world, except us) and you will see they are living longer and getting sick less, with less money spent on health care.
Have YOU ever tried getting treated in one of those countries ? I thought not.
I have and do, and it’s frustrating like you can’t imagine.
I suspect that, in the inevitability of forum posting, someone will mention some combination of Obama + Marxism + Socialism + Health Care. To nip the bud before it sprouts: his plan for health care reform is not that out-there. It’s more like a glorified health -insurance- reform and differs surprisingly little from McCain’s plan.
Me, personally, I like the idea of universal coverage; a plan where everybody has some coverage, but if you’d rather have your own plan with your own company, so be it. Basically, I’m for expanding the coverage of Medicare to include the middle class. (Current qualifications for a household of a single adult: monthly income of less than $600)
I don’t disagree, herb. I wish I could remember the policy that Hillary was pushing during Clinton’s administration, but if I remember correctly, it was pretty far out in left field. But, feel free to correct me if I’m wrong. At any rate, I think it should be a fundamental right to have decent health cover that isn’t going to cost an arm and leg (pun intended).
Or a couple of sacrificial lambs and a blow job.
You would have to start with the Health insurance companies- and they donate a LOT of money to politicians to preserve their profits.
The difference with her plan was individual insurance would no longer be allowed, you *had* to take the universal plan.
“In Amerika, health plans owns you !”
Not in Australia.
Depends on what you need to get treated for. Life threatening stuff is usually done pretty quick, but other stuff can take weeks or months.
Riiiiiight. That’s why Michigan is doing oh so well these days.
Wait. My bad. It’s exactly why their state economy is worse than the federal one. Economic growth from NAFTA my ass.
Every job he ever had was given to him by people of privilege and who profited off his poor leadership abilities. That is the reason he was installed in the White House and why there are more billionaires in America than ever before. How is that working out for the midwestern and southern conservative? Look at your healthcare and retirement fund and be assured that somebody made billions off your your misfortune.
Aw, I wanna give him a hug.
I do too! He looks soooo sad…
I am ashamed to say I almost want to also. What with this lol and the one with the owl I might start liking the man. Must be the tendency PK has been having of portraying him as a lonely little boy, I am an elementary school teacher after all.
Since he’s already done his time and prezzie, if he wrote a book and told the truth in it (well, as close to the truth as he can possibly muster), I’d totally read it. Didn’t say I’d buy it, but I’d read it.
I doubt he’d tell the truth straight-out. Whatever he wrote would be framed to show him in the best possible light. Besides which, there is probably stuff he couldn’t talk about due to national security and such.
I wouldn’t give him the benefit of the doubt, anyway. I’ll be content to lambaste and vilify him until I’m too old to remember his name.
At least you are being honest about never giving him a chance. I would bet that you never did. I might lose the bet, but I would feel safe making it.
Once again, it’s the Congress that’s responsible for most of what happens duting a presidency. Clinton had a Republican congress- Bush had a Democratic congress mostly.
How does 2 out 6 years = mostly? Especially when for those 2 years the Dems barely had enough control to call themselves the majority?
Shhh, they can sense movement. Best to hold still and watch them do math.
It’s not even been two years, they didn’t take control until January after all. Not to mention that I believe one of the houses (and I think it is the senate) is dead even because of the independents. I’ll admit being frustrated with congress not being able to get anything done but I understand that even if they managed to get anything decent passed it’d just get vetoed anyway.
Contrary to what you seem to be suggesting, democracy is actually improved when no one party has a majority. It usually prevents stupid laws from being passed.
It also prevents any laws from being passed.
Tell that to Canada and most of Europe. Along with any other country that actually supports a system with more than two electable parties.
Fact check fail. Bush had a republican congress from 2001 till January 2007.
You do, in fact, lose. I gave the shrub a chance to clean up his mess in 2004, and have ever since regretted the choice. I wouldn’t despise him as much as I do if I didn’t feel personally betrayed.
Owned, lol.
Excellent caption!
Future tombstone.
“Here lies a man given everything only to leave us with almost nothing. He wanted history to remember him and it shall. Not as a leader but as a disaster along the lines of Hindenburg or the Titanic. Needless, preventable, and brought on by baseless arrogance.
Rest in Peace for we have none.”
Wow, I don’t know who is worse: the Bush bashers or the Obamaphiles. Oh wait, nm.
I would go with the people who aren’t refuting what I said who instead decide to attack the person and not the statement.
Or do you have anything to actually refute what I said?
Well, historically speaking Bush has actually ranked better then Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and *gasp* even his dad. So while some of his policies have been wrong, I don’t think he will actually go down in history as the disaster your painting him to be. Now don’t take this to mean I think he was a great president, but he would qualify as average compared to Carter who was ranked below average.
Well I wasn’t around for Carter, least not at a point where I remember anything. As for Clinton, we weren’t so screwed with him around, just the interns. Bush has actually screwed things in my lifetime.
Unfortunately it is all perspective and whomever will be writing those books. Also I don’t recall ever hearing about a Record Breaking deficit under Carter. So yes, perhaps I am being unfair. I appreciate you responsible posting though and trying to keep me honest. Thanks man.
I’m not going to disagree about Bush. On the other hand, if you take the likes of Johnson and Nixon, they escalated the war in Vietnam to the tune of 50,000+ soldier’s. Which would certainly qualify them as worse then Bush (and yes, I was around then also.. just a young whipper snapper during Johnson though.) As for keeping you honest, I think you do a fair enough job on your own in that regard.
I was around for Carter and that miserable SOB screwed things up so badly, he was kicked out after only one term. Insane inflation, gutted military, fuel and foreign problems. All of you who say how great he was need to ask why, if he was so great, did he only last one term ?
Because Republicans learned how to court Evangelicals?
I can’t argue about ‘Nam so you definitely have something there.
After thinking about it, I have to agree. The most left-leaning folks tend to think that their opinion is shared by the majority of America, when in actuality it is actually half of America, or less. Dependent on how far left they are, of course. But I think history will judge George W. Bush as an average President.
Thats the thing about a wartime President. During the war, they are never really considered that popular, but when it comes time to write about it he will be “the guy who was President during 9/11″ and historians will frame any of his failures within those bounds. I.e. he faced more difficult circumstances than most Presidents, so the standard is set lower.
Any President who gets two terms is going to be at least an “average” President in the long run. Obviously that means that after four years, at least roughly half of America thought he was doing a good enough job.
As much as the far left want to paint Bush as the next door neighbor to Hitler, I think they spend far too much time preaching to the choir and end up getting a skewed view of how America _as a whole_ feels about things. If you only ever visited Pundit Kitchen and a few leftist blogs, you’d have no choice but to think everyone in the whole universe had bile-spewing hatred for the man.
Thanks for that, Nathan. At least it helps me confirm I’m not totally off my rocker (for a Republican anyway.)
Wow
I need to make a list and have punditkitchen post it so that people will know who to pay attention to.
Yes n8 I would put you on there.
Eventually I will make the cool kids list…
There’s always hope.. always.. change WE can believe in!
Thanks, I guess. Glad I can provide some entertainment, at least.
Well you were right on, I think. I’m not exactly a Bush supporter (though he did get my vote over Kerry, I voted Gore in 2000.) But I think that how someone is viewed historically is often different from how they are viewed during their Presidency. Anyone who honestly thinks his Presidency will be listed under “epic disasters” is really just letting partisan hatred override the reality of the situation.
Like it or not, the fact that 9/11 happened on his watch sets a different historical standard for his Presidency than for others. History has a far different perspective than someones political opponents.
Exactly! While the last part of Bush’s administration has been tantamount to a royal goat rope, had Clinton actually been able to do something about Bin Laden when he had the chance, 9/11 probably never would have happened. Clinton had a pretty decent foreign policy in most regards, but in other areas he was bit off the rails.
Clinton was after Bin Laden. The Clinton administration briefed the incoming Bush administration and told them “Your two big worries are going to be China and Osama Bin Laden.” The Bushies ignored this advice, allowed american airmen and materiel to be held captive in China for a month, failed to have a single meeting of Richard Clarke’s anti-terrorism task force, and avoided major cities all through August and September 2001 (maybe they suspected something was up?) I don’t think you can blame Clinton entirely. Or much, at all at all.
How come Bin Laden became Bush’s fault when he was the one that couldn’t get him in the first place (although it wasn’t for a lack of trying)?
Based on information from the first post, I think it’s because Bush didn’t try although he was told? Clinton actually tried? Just English comprehension I’m working off here, assuming that what PortlandMark posted is accurate.
I dunno, I’m a left-leaning folk and I feel totally outnumbered. But maybe that’s because I’m from Utah. I don’t live there anymore, but living near a military base doesn’t help either.
” Utah- where the men are many, the women are few and the sheep are nervous”
told to me by a friend who was born there*
I’ve heard that, but it was about West Virginians.
Also, about the Welsh.
I heard Montana and New Zealand.
In Texas ( at least near A&M) the saying is ” and the Cattle are nervous”!
Yeah, New Zealand.. where the men are men and the sheep are scared. Speaking of which, know why Texas A&M men don’t take their girlfriends to the footbal games? They keep nibbling on the grass..
Nebraska
Definitely New Zealand. They have 24 times as many sheep than men, so there’s plenty to go round.
“So you don’t have to worry about being stuck with an ugly one”
Dude. Impressive.
I don’t like Bush, but I completely agree with what you just said! BRAVO!
What numbers are you looking at? The ones right after 9/11/01? Because yes, at that point in time he did have the highest approval rating for any modern president. But he is also the only president to have such a high approval rating and fall to such depths as to what his is at now. An average of all data available puts him below average actually.
Click on my name if you’re interested. I will qualify this by stating that this from 2005, but I was unable to find anything more recent.
The only *genuinely* President we had was William Henry “Tippecanoe” Harrison.
If you were awake for even juinor high social studies, you’d know why I said that
* genuinely -decent-
LOL! Ok, I get it.. point made too.
Is it because he died? Because he sounds horrible =/
I mean this as no offense to you, but it is my general rule that I cannot accept Wikipedia as a reference or citation. Far too subject to factual error for me.
Did you even look at it? The actual reference in chart form is from the WSJ.
Yes and further down the page it references an August 2008 poll that said that 41% of Americans believe that George Bush is the worst President in history.
And 50% disagreed.. sounds almost like an even split with those disagreeing with YOUR point of view in the majority. You might want to provide all of the information instead of just that little bit you think supports your point of view.
I actually have not stated a point of view, please don’t assume you know what I think. And you also left out that information in your original post, so please don’t get on a high horse about posting things that only agree with your point of view.
41% said he is the worst, while lesser numbers voted for a variety of other presidents.
Out of curiosity and a slight change in subject, has anyone done a study on Congress, and whether there has been another Congress in history that has had such high approval ratings going in and such horrible ones less than two years later? If I’m recalling my numbers correctly, Nancy “I Wish I Was Hillary” Pelosi has a 9% approval rating. Since Congress actually controls a lot (not all, but a lot) of what the president is able to do, is a 9% approval rating really acceptable?
The funny thing is, her numbers are so low among democrats because we think she’s a spineless wimp too afraid to stand up to the republicans she’s supposed to be working against.
Oh, right, I forgot. Banging the gavel and adjourning congress during the energy talks is not working against the other party. Leaving on a book tour where she sold, what, 3000 copies of her book while the other party was in the chamber with the lights out doing what they could to figure out a way to get more fuel to the masses and reduce the price of gas in the meantime, that’s not working against the Republicans.
I’m sorry. I understand it now.
The Repubs sat in the dark and threw temper tantrums demanding an up or down vote on an immediate drilling solution. When the Dems offered to acquiesce, with the only proviso being that on those new leases what oil the companies extracted, they would have to sell to America exclusively, the Repubs suddenly cried that they’d have to think about the bill, maybe debate it a little, really take their time to go over such things.
“Drill here, drill now” is acceptable, but “drill here, sell here” isn’t? Good thing the Red Party is concerned with the working man and not the oil companies.
The new proviso says that states can drill, but only more than 50 miles off shore. It also says that even if a state wants to drill, it has to be ok with the other states around it. Basically, it’s not a solution and not a “drill here drill now” bill. It’s a side step of the issue. And drilling here and selling only here is bad business. As much oil as we have locked up in our lands, we might as well sell it to the people who have been screwing us over in China and the Middle East and get a little of what they have now.
I’m sorry. That came off as mean and bitter. I don’t care much for Pelosi because she seems to be working against the best interests of women, to be honest. She opposed Hillary and was very vitreolic about it. She has also said some pretty boneheaded things in the last couple of months, and is a part of the most ineffective congress in a while.
I appologize for snapping back at you so viciously. I’d prefer to keep an open mind and hear all sides, and not shut off the lines of communication
LOL, Anonymous!
Favorite tombstone:
“HERE LIES
LESTER MOORE
FOUR SLUGS
FROM A 44
NO LES
NO MORE”
I love that one! And since we’re being so grave:
Here lies Mortimer Yeast
“Pardon me for not rising”
I saw that particular tombstone in… Tombstone, Arizona. It is also one of my favorites Ema.
Yes, that one is from Boothill in Tombstone, there are others but this one is the best.
Meant to post that I dig it under your post, not separately. Damn fail brain.
I don’t remember his name, but the guy’s buried in Keene, NH:
“Here lies [X]
Aged 105
The Good Die Young”
Here lies Anna, wife of John Ford
We hope her soul has gone to the lord
But if for Hell she has changed this life
She’d rather be there than be John Ford’s wife
That one is great!
I can dig it.
He looks like a sad puupy.
Awww that makes me sad. I do think he should never have been president, but as a person I don’t dislike him.
It kinda has the guilty feeling of having to tell a retard that yes, they are retarded and they failed. I feel bad for him really. Hell, I honestly don’t think he was in control for any of it. Cheney is a creepy little bugger and I feel he was calling the shots.
Agreed. I don’t think he’s a bad person; he just never had it in him to be the President of one of the most influential countires in the world. And that’s about it, after the “facts” and rhetoric.
Cheney will be too busy making yet another pact with Satan.