Which is scarier? That Obama is half cloth/half human… or that the person that made this sign still gets to vote?
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I may not like Obama (don’t really like McCain either)…but this is too true…I fear where our country is headed.
Oh well, its funny anyway.
I love Americuh.
To bad this was photoshopped… that “n” was originally an “m” you can see how the end of the N is cut off in an exact straight line, and also the same line is angled to the right just like it would have been if it was an M
Not true — look at both “m” s, totally not the same, like for sure.
well for the sake of America lets hope he just isn’t consistent…
Yeah, exactly what I was going to say. Definitely NOT photoshopped.
No, it is Photoshopped! Zoom in, the area where the other line would be is
EXACTLY the same colour. I’m pretty sure someone got the colour and then
smudged it. Its not very difficult.
Actually I don’t believe it’s photoshopped or messed with. Look at how this sign maker forms their “M”s in Obama and in the first letter of “Muslin” They slant the first line and the second stroke crosses before the end of the fist line. It seems unlikely they would change their style of writing.
i wouldn’t be surprised if the writer had written “muslim” but corrected it. so maybe the correction one person sees is the writer’s. ha!
“which is it, wayne? muslim or muslin? i always get it wrong like all those belgiums living in belgian.”
In a taped CNN interview, the sign’s scribe is shown making the realization that he misspelled “muslim”. It’s not Photoshopped, just Stupidshopped.
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/9/10/obama_sign_in_yard_stirs_up_neighbors.html
There was a video of this on CNN. Definitely not photoshopped.
Space Pen alert: how long would it take to photoshop this to the point where it’s worth arguing about as against just taking a felt pen and a couple of square feet of board and … oh never mind
EXACTLY! Thank you for saying that. I’m so tired of all these people that scream photoshop at anything they don’t want to believe. And like hamjudo, below this said, it would be easier to just make a sign and take a picture of it than to bother photoshopping something as simple as this.
if you don’t want to believe it to be a ‘shop, then open it up in some graphics program like the gimp or whatever. zoom in and you’ll see the artifacts are perfectly straight where the right edge of the M should be. Obviously a ‘shop if you care to investigate.
You’re missing the point. Yes, it could be a photoshop – but it could just as easily be a completely fake sign, that someone photoshopped and posted so they could ‘expose’ it as ‘a smear’ OR a pro-Obama fake at any odd level of double-bluff. Tired now. Want to sleep, but they won’t take the electrodes off my nipples…
The “exact straight line” is a jpeg compression artifact.
Get the white board and black paint or pen as suggested by fjaradvax, Write a message at a similar scale. In this image the lines are about 4 pixels wide, so to see similar artifacts, you’ll need lines about the same width in the final image.
The other factor is the image compression “quality”, the lower the quality, the higher the compression, and the more visible compression artifacts.
If you’ve got photoshop, you can look at photoshop artifacts.
It doesn’t matter. If someone wants a picture of a misspelled sign, they can just make a misspelled sign, and take a picture.
No it’s not. I’ve seen the sign, I’m the one that provided the original picture. It isn’t photoshoped at all, I promise.
Not true, look at the writer’s 2 precedent Ms in obama & the beginning of muslin.
the writer constructs w/ 2 short lines connecting the M half way to the bottom,
but the N the line comes down to the base.
Let’s keep talking about this. This is important.
oh i know, right?
Srsly.
i love starting arguments. to be quiet honest i didn’t really care, i just wanted to see what people would come up with. =]
It’s authentic. I saw it on the news. The reporter told the guy his sign was spelled wrong. His reply: “It is?”
Actually, it’s not photoshopped sadly enough. I live in Barefoot Bay, where this photo was taken, off Wren Street. It’s completely true. :/
Nah, the dividing line in the ‘fake’ N is too deep.
Not photoshopped. Click my name for the news article this probably came from (and before anybody tries to say it must be some liberal blog, it’s actually the website for the local news station in Central Florida). If anyone still doubts that it’s real, watch the video. The sign is clearly shown several times.
Oh, Lyn. Totally worth going to read the article and watch the video. My favorite part? When the reporter asks “Do you know that ‘Muslim’ is spelled wrong?”
Heh. Thanks 4 the laugh.
Inuyasha is a half breed
I agree, there is no one I want to vote for but this pic is funny and depressing all at the same time.
Could this maybe have been photoshopped?
either way, funny!
Yes, looks to me like the last part of the M got Photoshopped out.
wishful thinking.
unlikely – look at the structure of the ‘n’ vs the structure of the other ‘m’s in the sign.
Ooh good point, the middle part of the other M’s only goes down half way.
Even if this were true, it would still be spelled wrong.
How does that make this sign any less horrifying? Or Wrong?
True enough. Still very scary, regardless. (or should I say irregardless, since there are multiple problems with this one?)
Check the kerning!
Heh.
Does this mean that conservatives are all cut from the same cloth? Is that cloth cotton, by any chance?
Now remember not to judge all conservatives by the actions of some idiot. This may not have even been a conservative or a Republican, you don’t even know that it could have been some dumb kid trying to get a rise out of everyone.
Too true. Many, perhaps even most, conservatives know how to spell “Muslim” correctly.
*sigh* Not intended to be literal.
No jokes allowed! Politiks r serius bizness!
you don’t even know that it could have been some dumb kid trying to get a rise out of everyone.
Let me fix that for you:
you don’t even know that it could have been some dumb kid trying to get a -front page on pundit kitchen-.
cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/9/10/obama_sign_in_yard_stirs_up_neighbors.html
Oh god, that guy LIVES NEAR ME!
The guy who made the sign is both an uneducated bigot, and a democrat. (see link in name.)
Wow…hope that’s not a slavery comment. Didn’t really pay attention in history class, did you?
It is and I did…did you?
You must have missed that part of class where it was explained that the majority of the confederate government were democrats. Oh, and Abe Lincoln was a Republican. Amazing, isn’t it? Granted, there wasn’t anything at the time that could be called Conservative or Liberal. But it’s still horribly idiotic to tie conservatism and slavery together. But hey, I guess if you keep grasping at straws to draw support for your horribly unrealistic hope for the future I guess you gotta take what you can get, eh?
Electing Obama isn’t going to change a damn thing. He’s a tool for the democratic party, and they have just as much a history of corruption and poor judgment as the republican party, if not more (Did you know that JFK initiated the steps that got us into the Vietnam war? Wow…greatest president ever you say? I smell irony). Besides that, the past two years have definitively proven that the democratic party is incapable of doing anything without complete control of Congress, the Senate, and the White House. The only thing electing Obama will change is the people who get all the bribes. You can bet Ms. Pelosi is gonna be rolling in dough in January if the Dems get what they want. Cause they won’t fix anything. They’re posturing and preparing to raise the bribes for all those oil companies and special interests. They’re just as corrupt now as they were when they got kicked out of congress in the early 90s.
It’s funny. I had friends that voted for democrats because “It can’t get any worse.” Oops.
Are you really this stupid, or do you play it well? Of course the South of the Civil War Era is tied to conservativism. That is the epitome of conservativism. What do you think that they were trying to conserve, if not the status quo? If you want to support the current batch of conservatives, please do so, but don’t waste my time arguing stupid connections. The repub/democrats of 150 years ago have no resemblence to today. When you grow up and can string together a reasonable arguement, come back, OK?
Oooh. Such hostility. In a debate you would have just lost. Can you string together an argument without insulting someone or trying to be the alpha male? All you’ve done is prove my own views about liberals. That they can’t think rationally in any situation and when challenged with facts, resort to insults. I have a lot of respect for the idealism and kindheartedness of the desires of liberals, regardless of the fact that I don’t agree with the majority of them. But your personal conduct belies the fact that you are merely trying to to compensate for your own hateful personality.
That said, the biggest mistake anyone can make with history is looking at it with modern sensibility. If you knew anything about the civil war, you’d know that it wasn’t completely about slavery. Only a revisionist historian would lead someone to believe such idiocy. The average southern person did not own slaves, and did not care about slave owners. If you look back at letters, diaries, and numerous other documents written at the time, the average person cared more about not being governed by people who didn’t give a crap about them. They wanted to determine their own fate rather than have it decided for them by someone who didn’t understand anything about what they wanted or cared about.
It is interesting, however, that you seem to think your definition of conservatism is correct when you don’t even look to see the world outside your own beliefs. In order to get the world to be what you want, either a lot of people are going to have to die, or there’s going to have to destroy the rights of very large portions of the population. But I’m not going to bother arguing with you, cause you obviously can’t do so rationally, without insults. All you have is mindless rhetoric that can’t apply in a real situation.
Besides. Change is so ambiguous. What exactly is going to change, other than the people who get all the bribe money? The only thing I’ve seen of Obama is a man who is incapable of taking a firm position on anything. He’s not going to be able to change a damn thing. He’s going to get the ultimatum from his party. “Do what we tell you, or you won’t be president for more than 4 years.” And I honestly don’t think he has the courage to tell them to shove it. After all. He’s voted 100% in line with the democratic party. McCain, however, has actually gone against his party 10% of the time (Interesting spin on that whole, “He voted with bush 90% of the time” garbage, eh?). That’s what it’s going to take. The courage to stand up and say, “Screw you guys. We’re not doing this crap anymore.” Not only is McCain capable of doing that, but his running mate actually *has* done it in one of the most corrupt states in the country. And she did change things. She raised taxes on oil companies and put that money in the pockets of the people who live in Alaska. What’s Obama changed? Other than his tires? Assuming he’s actually done that before.
Um, hang on here. The poor non-slave owning whites of the South didn’t want people telling them what to do? So they didn’t want it being said whether or not they can own slaves? This argument gets flipped around just as soon as it starts affecting the other side. That is, it becomes bullshit when the people who disagree with you say they don’t like being told what to do.
So let’s instead go with you saying they didn’t like being told what to do (I mean, who DOES, man?), and go with they didn’t like being told they had to by and large give up the foundation of their economy, cotton production, which was upheld almost entirely by slaves. Well, there you are at slaves again. Yes, they were told that the rights of people mattered more than economic affairs, even the very basis of a region’s economy. Technically, it was some of those founding principles in the Constitution that said they had to give up slaves, not anyone in Washington.
Before I go on, you REALLY pulling the “Lincoln was a Republican” argument? Shit’s weak, sir. Very weak.
Continuing where I left off, the reason most historians agree (revisionist or no) is that poor white non-slave owning Southerners didn’t want to get rid of slaves, because as long as people existed who didn’t even have their own freedom, there was still someone to be better than. Now, that’s a simple issue of vanity, of pride (what, Southerners being overly proud? *spits out coffee*), and probably will not be owned up to nowadays for the same reason. Not wry exactly, because I don’t know that there’s any irony there, but there’s definitely humor there, dry though it may be.
Also, pretty sure the news I’ve been hearing has to do with her making her local government corrupt in the first place. And yeah, I’m sure she put a big ol’ tax on those oil companies, the “Pay this if you want free reign to shit up our landscape” Tax.
O yes he voted against Bush 10% of the time, but still with Bush 90% of the time. But what really matters is what that 10% about he voted against. Heck, someone could have the courage to stand up against his own group, but if that means he wants to legalise rape, the standing-up thing doesn’t really matter anymore now does it? It’s about the content of that 10%.
But still, do you want 90% of Bush’s policy to return for another 4 years?
Edit: some mistakes there, excuse et moi. Also do not forget that the rape thing is just a silly example.
What if part of that 10% was for the legalized killing of small children (I didn’t say fetuses, I’m talking the already born)? Would that change your mind about who to vote for?
Could be, but I won’t be a 1-issue voter. Even then you should look deeper into the subject. What if that “killing” would mean euthanising young borns who would die very very painfully in a few months anway?
Disclaimer: Again, I’m just making an example. I don’t know if that’s really the case.
It’s a mental hang-up of mine. I know I’ll be castigated for it, but a huge check in the “do not elect” column for me is Obama’s vote against the Born Alive Act not once, but three times, even after the protection for Roe V. Wade was added the last time. I’m not about to expound on pro-choice vs pro-life, but letting a viable infant that is outside the womb die simply because the abortion went wrong seems a little sick.
That’s certainly not the only reason I’m not voting for him, but it’s a biggie.
*end personal exposition*
I never heard of that, so that act would say that a viable and already born infant could not be killed because a supposed abortion apperantly failed. And Obama voted against that Act? That does indeed suprise me. BUT, when you’re a good voter, you don’t stop there
You’ll look inside the reason why Obama apperantly voted against such an Act. But loose from that, I’m even suprised that such an act exists. It sounds so logical to me that that shouldn’t be allowed.
Ditto. His reasons for voting against the first two are mildly defensible, to whit, that the bill didn’t make a provision to protect the sanctity of Roe v Wade. However, the last time the bill was put up for a vote, it HAD that particular provision that he asked for. He still voted against it.
I guess it’s a really big issue for me because I survived Roe v Wade, so I’m a little biased against the whole concept
And I promise, I haven’t stopped at that one issue. It’s just the biggest one for me.
Possibly (and I don’t live in the man’s brain) Obama voted against it because he didn’t trust the language of the amended bill. The protections of RvW may have been included, but if they weren’t comprehensive, for example, I could see him voting against it.
Devil’s advocating here.
I would respect him a heck of a lot more if he would come out and defend that particular vote.
Ireverrant to core am I.
I enjoy daily, my morning baby shake.
Yeah, we’ll just see how well, old Johnny Boy does in a debate… i hope he lets his temper get the best of him. AND I hope they bring up ever INCONSISTENCY in his life time with the way he thinks politically…. Cause he’s an opportunistic liar, and comparing people like John McCain to Abraham Lincoln (The best president ever) is an insult to Abraham Lincoln… You need to go back to history class and see that what was conservative way back is liberal today, and vise-versa, they have completely changed places. AND the democrats in congress are trying to do stuff, they just can’t because the REPUBLICANS are stubborn and won’t help them pass anything!
READ more than just fox news.
Guys, I’m not getting involved in this otherwise (well, I say that *now*), but here’s some terminology from Poli Sci 101. “Conservative” = “Right” = in support of the established *political* order. “Progressive” (better term than liberal) = “Left” = against the established *political* order.
Slavery was an economic system, not political. Wanting to hold on to it (and most Southern politicians and educated slave owners knew it was doomed; the economics just didn’t work in an increasingly industrialized world) does not qualify as a “conservative” value, so don’t go painting it with that brush.
The secessionist South was, by definition, leftist, by virtue of their *wanting to secede*. (By the same token, Russian dissidents within the Soviet system were considered leftists.)
The political and social issues which led to the Civil War predated the formation of the United States as such. For the South, it hinged primarily on states’ rights (which were and continue to be trampled upon by the Federal government). For the North, it had a lot to do with abolitionists not wanting to allow slavery to spread, or to be required to enforce slave laws, in particular fugitive codes–which is states’ rights again. There is an extremely high correlation between the issue of slavery then and that of abortion today.
Few of the stereotypes about the causes of the American Civil War are true. It simply isn’t taught at the primary level in this country. If you want an accessible intro to the subject, I highly recommend the book made from Ken Burns’ excellent documentary; the first chapter may completely surprise you. If you’re *really* hardcore, read Shelby Foote’s three-volume work.
Economics and politics are heavily related, and even if slavery wasn’t the only cause of the civil war, it was a large enough cause that it is often taught as the only cause. Yes there were complicated issues with representation and
many other things, but to deny slavery had anything to do with it would be laughable.
So, one of the reasons for taking the left wing action of succession, was the right wing issue of slavery.
But the Emancipation Proclamation did not occur until long after the war started. And there were a lot of Union people unhappy about it.
The law didn’t come out of nowhere.
If it didn’t have anything to do with slavery, then there wouldn’t have been a near perfect correlation between slave states and succeeded states.
I think you mean seceded states, because the ‘succeeded states’ they were not…
w/e
I knew it was wrong, but I couldn’t remember what was right
Of course there is a direct correlation between economics and politics, but the mere fact that the secessionist states were all slave states does not justify your argument. The issue at hand was states’ rights. They seceded in protest to a forced economic shift by the Federal government. The agrarian-based economic system in the “slave states” was not ready for a shift away from slave labor. They feared economic collapse and felt very strongly (obviously) that they should choose their fate, not the Federal government, which was grounded in the industrial northern states. Many southerners did not own slaves and did not morally agree with slavery, but supported the secessionist movement on the principal of states’ rights. Primary source documents from the period clearly show a difference between the ethical and economic issues surrounding the Civil War.
Isn’t the essence of conservatism keeping things the way they have been? Wasn’t slavery the way things were before the war? Wouldn’t keeping slavery then have been the conservative position? Aren’t we seeing basically the same mind set these days with gay right?
Personally, I don’t think the Democrats are as corrupt as the Republicans at this moment in history if for no other reason than those who are drawn to politics just for power tend to be drawn to the party in power, which has been the Republicans for most of my adult life.
Even if the Democrats were as corrupt as the Republicans, switching who is in power would at least help keep the current bunch from becoming more entrenched.
Mostly, however, I’m voting for Obama because I’m tired of having an inarticulate bozo for a president. It would be a nice change to have a president who can open his mouth without stupid falling out.
Just make sure the teleprompter is handy!
Why, so Sarah, the moron, Palin can figure out what to say? Read below froofrou, check out the web, then decide if you really want to back up this moron.
Want to see a real moron without a teleprompter (or sometimes even with one?) Click the link at my name.
Some people will vote for this ma. That’s scary.
The teleprompter went off for about ten minutes during her first speech to the nation, and never paused for applause or anything else. She was doing most of the speech from memory.
That’s a myth.
Not to be confrontational, but how do you know it’s a myth?
If you mean that you require absolute incontestable proof, I don’t have it.
But you don’t either. I don’t think it was as miraculous a feat as the more conservatively slanted stories would have us believe. She had hard copy, and it’s widely accepted that the teleprompter was just slow, not off or unreadable.
And by slow I mean fast. Damnit.
Hard copy aside, she has proven she can speak off the cuff. A slow teleprompter still didn’t throw her. Or McCain. Obama is an excellent orator, no doubt. But if he has to speak off the cuff or do it without a hard copy, he’s lost. He tends to ramble, and says goofy stuff like there being 57 states that he’s campaigned in. I just wish he had accepted some of McCain’s invites to do town meetings. He needs to show he can hold his own.
You really don’t have a clue, do you?
Disagreement does not, in itself, indicate ‘not having a clue’. It simply means that you and I have different opinions. I like Sarah Palin, but I’m not voting for her for president. McCain and I have issues, but I am voting for him, mainly because I have a heck of a lot more issues with Obama. I don’t even want to get started on my reasons for not voting for Biden. But, all other things being equal, there is nothing wrong with us disagreeing on the ability of a candidate to speak properly without needing the words spoon-fed to him or her.
No, no hard copy aside. Hard copy in front of her.
I’m still not getting why that’s such a terrible thing. Obama hasn’t made a speech yet off the cuff that wasn’t at least 50% uh’s and ah’s.
“If you mean that you require absolute incontestable proof, I don’t have it.
But you don’t either.”
Man I love that argument. Reminds me so much of kindergarten.
And still, he manages to convey a point and meaning instead of anecdotes and jokes about lipstick and pit bulls.
You and I are going to have to agree to disagree. I haven’t heard a single point that Obama has made yet that doesn’t smack of revisited policies from the 60′s and 70′s that didn’t work then, and certainly won’t work now. He’s regurgitating the party line from when Carter was in office. And I certainly can’t vote for a person who probably doesn’t even know what his desk in the Senate floor looks like because he’s been absent for half of the votes that were taken.
Anecdotes and jokes about pitt bulls and lipstick aren’t the only things that made up Sarah Palin’s speech, no more than uh’s and ah’s are all that made up Obama’s. Obama has a great speechwriter, I’ll give him that.
@ froofrou, you really do not have a clue. What, exactly do you know about Palin that makes you want to put her second in line for the Presidency? Seriously. WHAT do you like? Do you like the fact that she placed her childhood friend in charge of Alaska’s department of Agriculture because she liked cows as a child (at a salry of over $90,000.00 per year)? The point is that you like the image of Palin, but you really know nothing about her, and you are predisposed to dislike both Obama and Biden because you have fallen for the propaganda.
Hey. I liked Carter. Still do.
So you can think that Obama doesn’t mean anything he says and I’ll continue ot think that Sarah Palin is pandering in the most obnoxious of ways, and we’ll go our separate ways.
And thanks Boris, for jumping in there and letting us know you
think you’re smarter than me. That totally restored my faith in
humanity and convinced me to vote for McCain.
I could say the same thing about supporters of Obama/Biden. You’ve fallen for an image. He’s a young, dynamic man with an old school helper behind him. The problem is, you really don’t know anything about him because he hasn’t done anything yet. Biden, on the other hand, was very vocal about Obama not being ready to lead the country, and is one of the top beneficiaries of Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac before they went under. He’s known for being a corrupt politician, yet you want to give him the key to the safe. Obama, on the other hand, supports things like infanticide and negotiating with terrorists, and has chaired at least one committee that hasn’t even met since he took it over. There are problems on both sides. I just agree with McCain’s policies more.
Seriously, “I can’t prove I’m right but neither can you” is about the stupidest thing you can ever say to someone in a debate. It’s the rhetorical equal to crossing your arms and holding your breath til you turn blue. It does absolutely nothing to further the discussion and it does everything in the world to further entrench the people you’re talking to. So maybe you should learn not to do it, eh?
imo, I like the debate. It keeps me from going crazy at work
Just because we disagree doesn’t mean we can’t be friends 
Again, you are clueless, simply by stating that Biden is known as a corrupt politician you display your inability to see therough the rhetoric. You simply restate your party’s rhetoric over and over. Don’t worry about convincing me, I am a stranger and will vote as i see fit. Look into a mirror and ask yourself, honestly, what qualifies the only person that you just admidted that you like — Palin. I am telling you, the only reason that you like her is image.
If you came here for serious debate then I’m sorry to have to tell you where you are.
Last comment @ Boris, but y’all knew that.
I like that she’s a Reagan Republican, is pro-life, and a bunch of other things that will get me impaled if I post them here
I’m one of those ‘bitter clingers’ Obama was referring to a few months ago, if you haven’t already figured it out. McCain and I disagree on the border, amnesty, and the environment, but overall he’s pretty close. I’m not voting for Sarah Palin to be president. Yet. 
Peace out, froofrou.
imo, this is the only place I can debate, even non-seriously! I have a bunch of voter virgins working with me who don’t have any clue about any issue this election, and can’t string together a coherent sentance about what either candidate stands for. So, non-serious or not, I’m liking it!
Boris:
Could you define Argumentum ad hominem for us Kindergartners?
Yeah, right. and Santa is from North pole, AK and the easter bunny hunts rabbit for stew on Easter, she just puts lipstick on the fur stole.
*descent into finger pointing and name calling in 3….2…..*
I’m just asking for proof that the teleprompter didn’t go off or that it did actually pause for applause like it was supposed to. Obama has been notorious for umming and ah-ing his way through unscripted speeches and Q&A sessions. Personally, I’d love to have an ‘Ummmm’ ticker at the bottom of my screen while I’m watching the debates, for both sides!
Well, if I repeat myself, blame it on the electronic message gobbler.
You’re the one who claimed teleprompter “malfunction.”
Go easy on me, Biden! I’m just a hockey mom!
I do not believe that Republican and conservative are synonymous. What matters most to many Republicans is having the federal government not dictate things better left up to the states. BTW Boris, do you just always have typing diarrhea or did you take something?
O indeed, if I recall correctly, fiscal conservatives are against government lending (as in, don’t spend more then you have). When I last checked, Bush didn’t exáctly go with that
It’s really just a labeling thing, I never understood why people are so fond of labels. They just make things…vague. And it’s not like they matter, the issues and policies are the things that really matter. Those are the things that make a country run, not the brand a politician belongs to. Sure, it may give you a general idea about wich policies the politician probably likes, but nothing more then that.
Uuuum, no. Conservatism, at least in a classical sense, has nothing to do with the status quo. It has to do with how large the role of government should be in your life. Conservatives are supposed to identify with smaller government (think “a conservative application of government.”). Liberal, alternatively, are supposed to identify with larger government (think, “a liberal application of government”).
Oh…by the way, you are wrong about the initiation of US inroads into Vietnam and the President who started them. Go back and do some more research on modern military history, dumbass.
By the way, click on my name for a web site. The web site is the US Army Center for Military History, Carlisle Barracks, PA. Happy friggin Birthday!
Well. That didn’t say a damn thing, Mr. Foxtrot. Go read mine.
The definition of Republicans and Democrats have changed since those days, so to say that Lincoln was Republican while putting the label “Republican” in todays context is incorrect. Don’t get so tied up in labels that you do not understand what they meant in a historical context. The Democratic party also could not make much progress because of GW Bush. Before the Democrats came to be the majority in Congress, the Republicans rarely had to worry about having a bill vetoed, Bush only vetoed one bill from 2001-2006 (very low numbers), now that the Democrats are in charge he is making it extremely hard for any work to get done in Congress by vetoing and threatening to veto (which is just as bad in some cases). Since he is going out of office soon, he doesnt give a damn and just wants to help out the Republican Party by making the Democrats look bad. I’m not trying to talk down to you but maybe you should go do some more research and get your facts correct before you formulate an opinion.
Well, you know, maybe if the Democrats didn’t stick the words, “And pull out of Iraq within 10 days” on the end of every bill that went through there, Bush wouldn’t be vetoing so many of them.
anybody who just read the comment above me should disregard such a blatant lie.
Don’t worry those with at least half a brain know that was a lie.
“Boris
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:36 pm
You must have missed that part of class where it was explained that the majority of the confederate government were democrats. Oh, and Abe Lincoln was a Republican. Amazing, isn’t it? Granted, there wasn’t anything at the time that could be called Conservative or Liberal.”
Seems like you’re forgetting about the fact that the way the whole government is run has changed completely since then. Back then a Republican and a Democrat were very very different things than they are in today’s sense.
Yeah, then the civil rights movement came along. The Democratic party embraced it, knowing it would cost them votes. All the racist southern “Dixiecrats” fled and were wooed by the Republican party. History didn’t stop in 1865.
…. No, it’s a cotton/poly blend.
INCOMMING……..
Of course, this could just as easily have been made by some racist Southern Dixiecrat. Their education level is somewhere south of a housefly. Sadly, they’re all too common in some parts of the country…
I find they breed like rabbits but I do miss living in MS.
Uneducated morons are all over this country, not just the south. My wife happens to be a teacher. She gets the “trouble” high school punks. Basically a few steps below prison, which is where most of these kids are probably going to end up. There are a couple who show actual promise, but the majority don’t care and will end up in prison or worse.
BTW I live in MS, you’re not missing anything spectacular, just bugs the size of commuter planes.
Also, Who’s gonna make it to Ole Miss? I can’t wait to see the train wreck that’s gonna be.
If the RNC intern posters debacle is any indication of the political leanings of people that don’t know how to spell… I think you may have missed your mark on this one.
Sorry to break it to you, but according to the article I read about it, AdmiralSirJohn is right.
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“Lacasse put the sign on his lawn Saturday. A Korean War veteran, he said he was a registered Democrat until Obama won the nomination.”
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Somehow I’m not that sorry to see him go, though.
They no longer exist. They are now Reagan Republicans.
They WERE Reagan Republicans, but went back during the Clinton Administration. They found a kindred spirit in him.
Ever heard of Howard beach ? Lot’s of racists in the North, too.
Sure there are, but there’s something about the former Confederate states that brings it out in ways nowhere else can…
I hear he worships SATIN!!
and he is parial to silk!
Got Silk?
I saw two silk worms racing the other day. They ended up in a tie.
:masturbates:
yuk yuk..
Hey! Don’t be hating on us Satinists! lmao … We at least get to wear spiffy clothes! :p
It goes without saying… Don’t you define temptation?
in a word – FABULOUS!
Always loved those bad girls.
HAIL SATIN! \o/
*grin* Brilliant.
I am truly terrified.
bigots who can’t spell don’t scare me… It’s the ones who
are in positions of power who scare me.
I recently read about a web site (a mini-site) devoted to this particular burning question.
http://isbarackobamamuslin.com/
How is it possible to possess half-breed beliefs?
Since when has something being impossible stopped people from believing it?
How is it possible to have half-breed fabrics?
Cross pollination?
lol
Um, what part of fabric pollinates?
the sheep.
ask the Aussies…PiMan, Eddie, care to comment?
What PiMan said.. LOL!!
In England, they fly. OR think they can. Nothin’ more dangerous than a clever sheep…
polyester? *masturbates*
Cotton-poly blend.
It’s not photoshopped. Here’s the article.
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/9/10/obama_sign_in_yard_stirs_up_neighbors.html?refresh=1
The hoopskirt of my senior prom dress was covered in muslin. Can it be president?
Not if it is pure muslin. If it is a 50/50 musilin cotton blend then it is allowed to run.
outstanding!! that is very funny.
Well just the hoopskirt was covered. The rest of the dress was satin. So it’s satinic muslin.
see the bad girls up above…
“The rest of the dress was satin.” Reading fail.
Applauds.
Who calls anyone a half-breed anymore? What an f-ing racist.
In dogs at least, ‘half-breeds’ generally have better health: hence the term, hybrid vigour.
Does the same apply to polititians?
whats scary is that ppl are ignorant to the fact that obama is more white and arab than black, hes only 6.25% black yet hes “the black guy”, and he lied about his name’s origin saying that its african swahili, which just isnt true, its 100% arab, in fact he wasnt really born in hawaii, he was born in kenya, but since hes a system-server you wont hear any of this on the mainstream and as long as ppl are trusting the mainstream they wont learn the truth
Conspiracy much?
Then why is he already claiming that people won’t vote for him because he’s Black ?
I’ve got to quote my buddy Hank Hill on this one:
“What kind of country is this when I can only hate a man if he’s white?”
hehe.
A little juvenile, sure, but it makes a point. I certainly don’t care if Obama, Biden, McCain, or Palin are purple pink or green. I just wish everyone would just drop this stupid race issue!
Wait, what was that? A pig flying you say?
Actually, I figure it’s a clever campaign tool- he’s hoping to embarrass undecided voters into voting for him, so as not to be “racist”. That’s why he’s making such a big deal out of it now.
A pig with lipstick on it even
Sorry, couldn’t pass up a pig comment.
But it’s still a pig!
But it’s a flying pig.
Isn’t that a football?
Of course there are people who won’t vote for him just because he’s black. Racism is alive and well in the US.
And there are people who will vote for him simply because he is black.
If your conspiracy theory of him being born in Kenya were true, then he would be ineligible for the presidency, that is US law. This isn’t a case it not making the mainstream, because his birth certificate would confirm/deny this with relative ease, and surely would be needed at some point by officials.
McCain was born in Panama in a U.S. army base. Should he be eligible? I don’t think he should be, what do you guys think?
A US army base counts as part of the US. Sorry to say, but he’s there to stay.
Isn’t that kind of the same type of law that makes a U.S. Post Office federal ground instead of state ground?
I was born in Germany off the army base so I was a duel citizen till the age of 18, so sorry to let you all down but I can never be president. BUT if you are born on the military base you are born on U.S. soil so your good to go. Oh and by the way I am vote for McCain! Obama is to big of an idiot to even know what he does or doesn’t stand for, how the heck is he going to rule our country if he can’t make up his mind about what he wants for supper?
“Obama is to big of an idiot to even know what he does or doesn’t stand for, how the heck is he going to rule our country if he can’t make up his mind about what he wants for supper?”
Thank you for neatly articulating for me exactly what I dislike about Obama.
Of course, I dislike McCain just as much for other reasons.
Vote Nader!
WOOOOOOO NADER!!!
You do that.. talk about a throw away vote.
it’s the president of the united states, not the king of the united states. he’s not going to be ruling anything.
Maybe someone should tell him that.
This isn’t correct. US natural born citizen law of 1790 states that children born to US citizens outside the US will be considered “natural born citizens.” Case law has also established that in cases of single parent, if Mom is a US citizen (which Obama’s mom was) and dad isn’t, then the child is a “natural born citizen”. If DAD is a citizen, but mom is not (not the case with obama), then paternity has to be established before the child is 21, then they may be considered “natural born”.
Furthermore, a child born at either a US military base or Embassy, doesn’t fall under the natural born citizen designation…so a child of foreign parents IS NOT considered a “natural born citizen” of the US by simply being born within either confine.
I admit I was presumptuous on what natural born citizen meant. I thought it was obvious, I was wrong.
Looking further into it, I may have been right anyway, because the 14th amendment states, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
While it doesn’t explicitly exclude people born outside the US, it appears implicit to me. Although George Romney, who ran for Republican nomination in 1968, was born in Mexico.
So there seem to be signs both ways.
His citizenship is not in question – simply his qualification to run for president. One must have been born a U.S. Citizen (by parentage or location of birth) to be eligible. They are both eligible to run for president – as is the person born “off base” to U.S. citizen parents.
You are absolutely correct (not bad for someone not born in the U.S.) Hell, I thought everyone educated in the U.S. knew that law. Go figure.
You should get together with the lady who thinks rainbows in her sprinkler are poison leeching out of the groundwater. She seems to know quite a bit about the “truths” that are being hidden from us as well.
Quibbling over what percentage of a race a person might be does not reflect well on you.
So, am I am the only one singing Cher’s hit song “Half-Breed” after seeing this sign?
We can only hope!
Ooooo- I was actually thinking about that ! Shows my age !
well, I wasn’t dammit. Thanks alot :p
what makes this great is obama’s dad wasn’t muslim, but his grandfather was
His dad was an “inactive” Muslim, but still a Muslim according to his brother. Everyone in Obama’s fathers side is Muslim.
And living in a hut in Africa on $12 a year. Brother’s keeper my patootie
Well, he does want to give Africa a trillion dollars in aid…
Dang, it’s a good thing he got rich during the Bush years so he can send all that aid money!!!! Oh, wait….you mean he’s going to keep his own money and send ours?
*sigh*
*pouting* I’m takin’ my money and goin’ home!
While the sentiments of the sign maker are disgusting, quite ill-informed, and of little importance, NO, it’s not scary that the cretin has the right to vote.
It’s an elitist, if not totalitaristic notion that we should somehow weed out those too stupid, too racist, too whatever from their voting rights. A notion that if we just got rid of certain individuals, things would be so much better, things would just work. The view of it being “scary” that someone has the right to vote is extended to individuals of various religions, people of various political opinions or opinions on particular voting issues, etc…and of course, it’s simply limited to people whom you disagree with either from the right or the left.
I would argue that it’s SCARIER still that there are individuals that believe some person’s voting right SHOULD be eliminated.
I dissagree, it’s really a problem of a representative democracy; people with barely any knowledge about the subjects (and not just knowing what they are, also the deeper background) are allowed to vote. It invokes the way of political campaign we’re saying today: a campaign based on images, on populism. In other words, charming, seducing people to vote for you and not invoking a discussion among the voters about what would be the best way to fix the crap in the country.
I’m not saying those people shouldn;t be allowed to vote, since even though they might not have enough knowledge to make a proper, weighed vote (and not just because they “like” a candidate) doesn’t mean they can’t aquire that knowledge.
Again, I just noticed some mistakes in that post. The heat in this classroom (windows shut + door closed + about 30 people = lots and lots of heat) is killing my brain
Finding it ‘scary’ that someone has the right to vote (and saying so) is not equivalent to suggesting that they shouldn’t have that right, is it? I agree with your closing paragraph in every important respect; I also feel it’s not beyond the bounds of reason to feel scared that a member of the electorate of the United States of America chooses presidential candidates on grounds of genetic race or (perceived) religious creed.
Actually, disagreed. I think the original restrictions placed on voting (white male landowners) was to keep the vote in the hands of people who really felt like they had stock in the country, also the reason we have the electoral college- to make sure the country’s trade policies were being negotiated with a respect to farmers all over the country. Though, now that government has expanded well beyond economic issues and governs all legal and social issues as well, including a woman’s right to choose and just who is allowed to form legal unions in the eyes of the state, everyone has the right to vote because this effects their lives.
I do feel, however, that minimum awareness testing should be a part of the vote. Nothing too complicated, but being able to answer some fairly common knowledge questions about the candidates, all answers made available on the web and at the local libraries beforehand. I think going into the election uninformed is irresponsible and that voting should be a privilege that’s fairly easy to obtain. Maybe the standard voter registration process could entail some facts about the 50 states, an elementary school level American history test. Mild hoops to jump over for your right to vote wouldn’t phase me at all.
Actually, I’m very happy about the fact that not only this person, but everyone in America has the legal right to vote, and what would be even scarier is if our government suddenly decided that certain groups of people were not eligible to take part in the democratic system based on their own discriminatory criteria. What is sad is that it seems that the original poster is insinuating that it would be a good idea to discriminate against certain groups of people in a totalitarian/fascist style system. Does the poster truly support Democracy? I think it would be wise for all of us to consider carefully the messages behind the messages of what we read and see, and not just blindly endorse them because they support people whose political messages we support, or reject people whose political messages we reject.
The US already does exclude people due to certain criteria. Having a criminal record.
But not a psych history.
That could explain Ralph Nader’s consistent presence……..
This is a stupid question, but wasn’t there a VP pick back in the day who was disqualified on the basis that he had been subjected to shock therapy?
That would be most of them !
In Holland, if you’ve got a certain degree of mental dissorder, a judge can take away the right to vote as well. I really agree with this, simply because such a person is not able to aquire the knowledge required to make a “proper” vote. A person like that is almost similair to the once very populair dead voter. Excluding such people from voting is, imo, rather protecting democracy in a way, protect it against abuse from dirty politicians. Ofcourse the problem is: where do you draw the line? That’s ofcourse why someone can always defend himself against the judge’s decision.
That would have been Eagleton who was running with McGovern. Ended up backing out and Seargent Shriver stepped in. I believe that was ’72.
Electricity makes me hot.
No those dirty librarian glasses make you hot.
Tom Eagleton.
You said that “it would be even scarier is if our government suddenly decided that certain groups of people were not eligible to take part in the democratic system based on their own discriminatory criteria.”
You mean if something happened like Republican elected officials in Michigan stripping people whose homes are in foreclosure from the voter rolls because they “no longer live in the proper voting district” without actually *proving* that they are no longer in residence? Like it is somehow impossible to be in foreclosure but still retain residence at the same time? And coincidentally, the foreclosure rates just happen to disproportionally hit the African American community, who just happen to tend to vote democratic.
See http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/national/2008/09/18/aclu-sues-michigan-over-voter-purge-program-saying-it-hurts-college-students.html for further details.
That would be scary if something like that were happening right now.
I went to the article you cite. There is only a slight mention of the home foreclosure issue. What they are doing is purging people from the roles for whom their voter card is returned as undeliverable. There must be a balance struck between ensuring people get ONE vote and ensuring that, college students per se, do not get TWO votes. Vote absentee back home and in person in the college precinct? Sounds like a plausible reason for concern. Don’t even get me started on illegals voting in CA. But they tend to vote Democrat, so I guess most you could care less about that.
BTW- this sign wasn’t found in Hillary’s Arkansas yard, was it ?
Nah, most women know what muslin is.
Ya, my fiancee’ told me when I was just laughing. I then laughed harder.
Reminds me of a grafitti I saw on a park wall: SATIN RULES!
(commenter prefers silk, personally)
well, we can always count on people that stupid being unable to find a place to vote on election day!
US Educational System: EPIC FAIL.
Which is worse? People thinking this photo isn’t photoshpped, or people thinking that all who oppose Obama actually do so because of his alleged ties to Islam?
Maybe it’s that people actually don’t study history and think this is the worst time in US history. Maybe that people think our education is so terrible when we have one of the highest percentage rates of undergrad degrees in the world, and BY FAR have the highest rate of post grad degrees in the world.
Another note… this is FAR from the dirtiest Presidential race in history. Both Andrew Jackson and John Quincy Adams races were nasty… and the same rhetoric was being thrown around about people not knowing the issues and politicians skirting the issues blah blah blah.
A black man is running for President, a woman was running, and a woman is a vice pres. candidate (and thank God that times allow all of this), and it’s really so terrible in our country compared to times past (this glorious past I keep hearing about)?
Sure, there are issues, and both sides have valid points. But I contend that most people calling other people stupid for their point of view could probably use a dose of historical context , and a little less rhetorical babble coming out of their mouths.
I’ll say it again, THIS IS NOT PHOTOSHOPPED. Click my name for evidence. As far as thinking that the only reason people are opposed to Obama is because they think he’s Muslim, I don’t think anybody does. I know there are a variety of reasons why well-informed voters are opposed to him (I happen to disagree with those reasons, but I recognize that they’re there.) I don’t agree with those people, but I don’t call them stupid for their point of view, either. The problem is that there are also UNinformed voters out there, apparently including the maker of this sign, who DO oppose Obama because they believe he’s a Muslim. I WOULD call him stupid, not so much because he’s not voting for Obama, as because he’s apparently basing his vote on a single issue which isn’t even true, and which anyone who’s been paying the slightest attention to the news would know isn’t true (remember all that fuss about his church?) Saying people like him don’t exist is just as foolish as saying the well-informed people don’t exist.
You have to admit that a lot of the discussion focuses on that rhetoric. Ultimately my point is that these things live because they are treated like they are the real issues. It looks photoshopped and its the sort of thing that is so often done just to generate the irrelevant discussion so prevalent. As bad as the photo looks, I couldn’t help but think it’s photoshopped. LOL
You have one of the highest rates of post grad degrees because an undergrad degree is almost worthless without one.
People who do a post grad degree in the US usually want a job.
People who do a post grad degree elsewhere usually want to get into academia.
So? What does that have to do with people acting like education is the worst here than anywhere else in the world?
I was just replying to one part of your comment.
Your education system is not that bad, it’s not great, but it’s not bad either. It’s just that it costs so much more than anywhere else to do it.
Yeah.. my point was at the idea that it’s so terrible and we should be ashamed of our country. I hear that every day in one medium or another it seems. I think in the end, idealism on either side is just impractical and stretching the truths that either side might have to an extreme that makes them untrue. By the same token, I don’t see ANYTHING new about the campaigning or rhetoric except that modern media has it constantly in our faces. It’s funny how much the issues and discussion of the issues is so much like it was during the 1828 election. Andrew Jackson talked about change as vaguely as Obama has and John Quincy Adams was fresh off a contested election, and Bush won a contested election in 2000. A little different, but REALLY close. LOL
Are you kidding me?! Are you kidding?
The sign is funny no matter who made it or whether it was photoshopped or not.
I can’t help to share this amazing article about the way politics is done and how lots of us act on this site. Ofcourse, the link is in my name. That article reminded me why I love cracked.com
Ignorance makes me laugh!
Finally. As a person who works in a fabric store, it really bugs me when people mix up Muslim and muslin.
Why? Does the Muslin keep blowing itself up in the spooling machines?
Yeah…. Im going to hell..
What’s scarier? That people are that racist and discriminatory against other religions, or …
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that people are so elitist they believe that others shouldn’t be allowed to vote because “they just don’t know any better?”
Don’t get me wrong, I disagree with and find the original sign distasteful. And sure, it should be held up to ridicule. And maybe I’m not finding my sense of humor, but there’s a personal, base reaction within me when I see that type of comment. I see it from both sides of the aisle, but much MUCH more from the Democrats. Not to say it’s going to change my views and my vote, but it still churns me up. “You’re too stupid to vote. We know better than you. Sit back and relax, citizen. You don’t need to think, we’ll take care of it for you.”
Or, hey, you know what? If people are poor, they obviously aren’t good at handling their own money. So they can’t be trusted vote in politicians to determine budgets. Let’s only allow people with certain bank accounts to vote.
While we’re at it, there are certain races of people that have higher incarceration rates than others. So, since they’ll just vote for crooks and theives, let’s not allow them to vote, either.
The guy who made that sign is a no-mind douchebag racist. The person who photoshopped it and put it on the internet is a smug douchebag elitist. The latter is scarier, because he should know better.
I didn’t have the time to read all of the posts but I thought this was quite funny.
“Get out of are country!”
Easily noticeable that it’s Photoshopped.
- JM.
http://www.wherearethedogshumping.com/092208/obama-muslin.jpg
There, see? no photoshop. So shh.
I think the scary part is that the yo-yo who made that sign is probably old enough to vote! [=O
Gentleman, we can weave him stronger. We have the technology. We have the capability to give him a higher thread count. Barack Obama will be that man. Better than he was before. Better, stronger, longer wearing.
Muslin? Oh, just you wait for satin and his army! XD
So, am I the only one that find it disturbing that 40% or people “know” that Obama is Muslim, while another 30% are pretty sure or have heard it before? Only the remaining 30% have any idea that he’s actually Christian…
I’m not saying a religion matters, let alone in a political standpoint, but I do think it’s just adorable that two of the largest political groups our nation offers (or the majority even knows about) has to make up lies, slurs, and slander about the other in order to get some nobody into office.
The president is just a figurehead at this point – it’s the amount of Republicans or Dems in the Senate and Congress that I’m interested in. They’re the ones passing or vetoing these bills.
Okay a 3 year old gets it, why don’t the rest of you get it, and help the 3 year old with their spelling
Not entirely sure what is sadder, that a lot of people have been arguing over whether a sign was photoshopped or that I read every one of the comments.
also, one: who cares if it’s photoshopped, it’s for comedic purposes and two: people are stupid, it’s the truth.
And I agree with GrommitCU, even if people are stupid, if you take away people’s right to vote, you bring shame to everyone who has died to uphold our liberty in this nation. I may not like the country and I may have lost faith in the human race but I am a man of honor and I won’t disrespect anyone who puts their life on the line to protect people a thousand miles away that they don’t even know.
McCain? Obama?? Business as usual.
Real Change = Chuck Baldwin.
It’s time a 3rd party candidate told the republicrats to sit down.
Palin? Stay in Alaska with your 80% approval. Biden, Obama, McCain? Stay in the senate. Ron Paul had it right.
From Florida go figure~
The irony of the caption is that the caption suggests that people who cannot spell or read well should not have voting privileges….another group that thought the same way ushered in the Jim Crow South….now that’s ironic.
It’s not PhotoShopped! The Ms are written differently than the N. The middle is higher and the lines cross each other a little. This person REALLY is that stupid.
And no… This is not ironic; it’s just a closed-minded idiot who can’t spell. It’s not the illiterate who shouldn’t vote. It’s the idiots who decide not to vote for a qualified candidate because of the color of his skin and the sound of his name. Those are the same people who would vote for a candidate because his (totally unqualified) running mate is a pretty, conservative Christian woman.
Funny, I thought he was a Satinist?
I definately believe that obama is an al queda radical muslin who refuses to say the pledge of allegence to the flag and he attands a mosque.
The only choice is john mccainm
That’s what I call a cotton-poly blend…
HAHAHAHAHA EPIC FAIL
EPIC FAIL is commenting on a pic/thread that is now approaching two months old…