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Blame those who took the bribes. At the top of the list:
All Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008
Dodd, Christopher J S CT D $165,400
Obama, Barack S IL D $126,349
You bloody idiot.
Go to the link in my name. That isn’t the amount of money that was contributed by Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, that was the amount of money overall. Read the bottom of the page before you spout off.
Thanks for the link. That is the top two in “a list of all 354 lawmakers who have gotten money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac”.
You’re a ‘tard, made obvious by your inability to read charts and extrapolate information from them. But then, that wouldn’t feed into your Zombie Talking Point, now would it, Mouthpiece?
y’know, knowing now that you are just a kid makes a lot more sense to me
I no longer find you annoying – I just pity you and hope that one day you’ll grow into the person you are meant to be
Two reports tonight, one from the New York Times, and the other from Newsweek, contradict John McCain’s statement this week that his campaign manager Rick Davis had no involvement with mortgage giant Freddie Mac for the last several years. The Times reports:
One of the giant mortgage companies at the heart of the credit crisis paid $15,000 a month to a firm owned by Senator John McCain’s campaign manager from the end of 2005 through last month, according to two people with direct knowledge of the arrangement. The disclosure contradicts a statement Sunday night by Mr. McCain that the campaign manager, Rick Davis, had no involvement with the company for the last several years. Mr. Davis’s firm received the payments from the company, Freddie Mac, until it was taken over by the government this month along with Fannie Mae, the other big mortgage lender whose deteriorating finances helped precipitate the cascading problems on Wall Street
Freddie Mac had previously paid an advocacy group run by Davis, called the Homeownership Alliance, $30,000 a month until the end 2005, when that group was dissolved. That relationship was the subject of a New York Times story Monday, which drew angry denunciations from the McCain campaign. McCain and his aides have vehemently objected to suggestions that Davis has ties to Freddie Mac-an especially sensitive issue given that the Republican presidential candidate has blamed “the lobbyists, politicians and bureaucrats” for the mortgage crisis that recently prompted the Bush administration to take over both Freddie Mac and its companion, Fannie Mae, and put it under federal conservatorship.
But neither the Times story — nor the McCain campaign — revealed that Davis’s firm, the Washington, D.C. based lobbying firm Davis Manafort, continued to receive $15,000 a month from Freddie Mac until last month-long after the Homeownership Alliance had been terminated. The two sources, who requested anonymity discussing sensitive information, told Newsweek that Davis himself approached Freddie Mac in 2006 and asked for a new consulting arrangement that would allow his firm to continue to be paid. The arrangement was approved by Hollis McLoughlin, Freddie Mac’s vice president for external relations, because “he [Davis] was John McCain’s campaign manager and it was felt you couldn’t say no,” said one of the sources. [McLoughlin did not return phone calls].
In an interview Tuesday with conservative talk-radio host Neal Boortz, Mr. McCain said, “I remember warning at that time that Fannie and Freddie were out of control and that they needed to be reined in. And, frankly, I warned that this kind of thing could lead to serious problems. Now, in full disclosure, I didn’t foresee something this huge, but certainly I saw the fundamentals there for serious problems when you have a quasi government agency acting the way they did.”
When Mr. Boortz noted approvingly that Mr. McCain had co-sponsored a Senate bill to mandate new regulations, Mr. McCain said, “I remember it very well.”
But a Freddie Mac official said Mr. McCain “never took on the role that some other Republicans did” to try to limit the companies. He named instead Senators Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, John Sununu of New Hampshire and Elizabeth Dole of North Carolina, all of whom were on the banking committee during recent years. “I remember working against a number of amendments and they were always introduced by Hagel and Sununu. John McCain was never anywhere to be found.”
A check of the records for the legislation that Mr. Boortz mentioned shows that Senator Hagel was the original sponsor on Jan. 26, 2005, and Senators Sununu and Dole were co-sponsors then. Mr. McCain did not sign on as a co-sponsor for more than a year, on May 25, 2006.
I can do this all night folks …
This guy is trying to browbeat with this crap, John Mccain is one of the people most responsible for our current financial crisis. This problem started in the eighties and this is not the first bailout that the FDIC has had to rescue, Billions before this had already risked and lost through the exploitation of policies that John Mccain and other republicans of not got passed.
Deregulation did this and John Mccain is one of the people most responsible for for deregulation and the subseqent lost of around a TRILLION dollars this “jelly beans” has the gall to try to blame Obama for a hundred and twenty six thousand dollars.
It’s just like the right wing, it’s their tactic, if you can’t say anything good about your own guy, villainize the other through libelous claims…
Here is a good place where it makes it all very simple…
http://www.seattlesavant.com/2008/09/08/mccains-record-on-financial-regulation/
I don’t know if I should be offended or collapse in riotous laughter.
Jake, I am hated on this site by many a neo-con for my liberal hippy ways and my lack of compunction in sharing them.
If you read the browbeating posts above you you would see that they are actually ANTI-McCain. The main thrust is that McCain’s campaign manager guy’s company was STILL taking fannie/freddy money right up until this year..
I appreciate your fervor and I hope to stand shoulder to shoulder with you as we vote for Obama and change but for serious … I am about as far from right wing as you can get without actually living in a yurt.
Labeling fail, sorry. jellybeans is a liberal hippy woman. I am a perverted moderate man. n8 is a liberal dude. Steve is an excessively partisan right wing guy with a huge boner for labeling people as liberal as if it was indication of syphillus. Evil Pundit is what we colloqually call a dumbass. MegaBob is a conservative troll. ema is a sweetheart conservative. eddiespaghetti is another moderate. Froofrau is a delightly perverted dyed in the wool conservative. bittervoter is lefty. ryzard is a righty. So on and so forth.
In essence, you’re wrong with your labels. You rolled a 1 on your labeling skill check and I pity your lack of ranks in Knowledge (PK).
Bugger. I didn’t make the list.
frooFROU. And being perverted sure is delightful
Luv you, Nexus!
Hahaha. Party shill fail.
Oh please, A measly $300g’s and these two people are to blame for a trillion dollar problem?
And since when is a legal and public campaign contribution a bribe?
You probably think that Obama hunts down babies for secret muslim rituals too.
Jackass.
J
Don’t even put Obama in there unless you’ve got prove, and my (correct) guess would be you don’t. That guy’ll handle more in these four years than most of you people will in a lifetime.
NOW LEAVE HIM ALONE!
Thanks for reading!
you mean obama man dont hunt down babies for double secret muslim rituals?
sooooo is it voodoo rituals then?
they do voodoo in kenya right?
Urge to kill rising… Must not murder CEOs…
Give in to your anger… it makes you strong…
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article4810644.ece
Ooooh, I am infused with a glimmer of hope now… Cursed emotion.
Just read that in India, fired workers beat to death their CEO.
Seems a reasonable reaction.
I thought so but there are laws against killing wastes of economic space.
Let’s make it look like an “accident”.
Good for legal means but not quite enough to calm my angry little soul. I think excessive torture and stabbing would help. However, You seem to be the voice of reason in this madness. Let’s go with your idea.
If TV has taught me anything, a crudely-forged suicide note covers everything up.
“Well, it seems he couldn’t live with what he did, so he ripped out his fingernails, broke his knees, then ran a cordless drill through the back of his head. Open and shut case.”
Armando Asante quote win… At least… I think thats what you’re quoting.
That’s what I was getting at, at least.
I love you guys.
“He shot himself in the head four times with a bolt-action rifle” is okay to use.
worked for Kenny boy although he died of “natural” causes
this is unsubstantiated rumor and innuendo, btw
and probably very very true
OMG! They killed Kenny!
You bastards!
Death’s too good for them. I say we force them into a life of servitude as domestics, sweeping floors and cleaning toilets for a meager living. Nothing, I think, would gall them more.
Other than doing charity work. Work? For free? The nerve!
Just torture then?
n8 already mentioned “a life of servitude as domestics, sweeping floors and cleaning toilets”.
Sheesh, ema, redundant much?
It’s called clarification.
Switch to decaf. Ema was just clarifying for humorous effect.
When the Republicans and their cronies realized they couldn’t lie and steal their way into another four more years of looting the national treasury, they decided to steal anything that wasn’t nailed down, and nuke the rest. Don’t think this option wasn’t planned years in advance, they did this to the economy on purpose. Anyone who makes less than a million a year and still votes Republican is a true patsy. They are laughing at you while they steal your wallet, and you still find ways to praise them.
In bed.
That’s not true. Everyone knows that due to our hedonistic ways liberals are better in bed than conservatives.
Speak for yourself *nurses bite marks* hehehe
Yet I am a moderate. Hmmmm, pardon me. My fiancee’ requires more rope and love.
Really though, who ever heard the phrase “a nice piece of elephant”?
Never, but I have heard “hung like a…” which explains my husband.
Realized that could go either way, lol. I meant “hung like an elephant.”
I cringe to think of the implications on your ability to walk.
Well we have that bed sheet with a hole in it thing…
Orthodox WIN!!!!
LOL!
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/update-fannie-mae-and-freddie.html
Keeps eating my post.
You nutcase.
It’s the Democrats who are responsible for this meltdown. Guess who received more money from the mortgage companies than any other politician? Barack Obama and another Democrat Senator.
Reinforcing your Zombie creds, I see… The correct term is “DemocratIC Senator”, you open-channel bloviator…
So now comes the continual regurgitation of the Talking Point, yes?
Must be nice being the recipient of Wingnut Welfare…
No, really, it is Democrat Senator. The news media changed it around 25 years ago to make the dems sound more magnanimous. As if they were more democratic. Obama is a Democrat Senator from Illinois.
I would have thought DemocratIC would make someone seem more democratic.
Your fat butt makes your butt look fat.
Exactly
But which campaign has more banking lobbyists? Which party has voted extensively for deregulation? Which party actually wanted our social security money tied up in all these deregulated banks? Which party is trying to say we shouldn’t punish CEO’s by limiting the golden parachutes they will be buying with OUR money? Which party is adamant that we need to fork over a full 700 Billion now rather than in phases?
Hmmm … fiscally conservative? Fiscally responsible?
If the banks had been PROPERLY deregulated instead of being used as a personal piggy bank, they wouldn’t have been able to buy up all of the bad loans that were made and go under. The government kept just enough control to screw it up. The Clinton Doctrine (if you will) of giving everybody credit whether they could pay for it or not, and the Bush plan of not doing away with that and keeping the companies partially private, and partially government controlled caused this failure. The bail out is a HUGE mistake, no matter which party is calling for it. This is why Obama can get away with calling himself a ‘fiscal conservative’ and not be laughed out of the state. Bush is screwing the pooch on this one, because he is going against conservative principles.
More and more, I pit that pooch.
*pity
I pity the foo’. *gratuitous Mr. T reference*
“That pooch” is the american people.
That would explain the soreness in my kidney.
seth that is retarded this mess started when Bill Clinton (with good intentions) try to git more low income people into homes. but CEO’s got greedy then Bush removed some regulations keeping non-banks out of mortgages making the problem worse. but what do I know I just a Bush mouthpiece…
So Bill got people into houses but then Bush allowed the CEOs to go wild which is the part that actually screwed the pooch since removing regulations in my humble view is worse than getting people into homes.
Click on the name.
All Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008
Dodd, Christopher J S CT D $165,400
Obama, Barack S IL D $126,349
Look out!! The One Trick Pony escaped from the zoo! Ruuuuun!
ROFL. I applaud you, sir.
I don’t think we need to run. What’s he going to do, Ctrl+V us to death?
We could always point out the oil contributions and who got more.
Wouldn’t it be Ctrl+C as well as Ctrl+V, making him a two trick pony? Now he just needs to learn the ‘trick’ of independent thought.
And now for a random quote.
“And really isn’t sanity just a one trick pony? All you get is one trick, rational thinking.
But when you’re good and crazy the sky’s the limit!”
Right right, 300k in between two people tanked the U.S. economy. And because Hitler and Stalin had a moustache, that means everyone who has one is a depraved murderer.
Seriously, learn the difference between correlation and causation. In this case, there is not even correlation between these two “facts” because I have a hard time believing that Freddie and Fannie only donated to two people in 20 years and one of them just HAPPENED to be Barak Obama, and even if that were true it does not make any connection between contributions and market failure.
This happened because Fannie and Freddie were never spun-off from Government backing once they were profitable and companies overextended themselves based on this implicit backing and people were given loans that really should never have gotten them. Now republicans want to bail them out with $700 billion. Democrats want to buy $700 billion worth of stock in these companies, and to slowly sell it all back as the market is stable again, and actually MAKE money and bring stability to Wall Street at the same time.
This are so many factors to this than most people realize, and it pains me to live in a country where people are so misguided and unaware of it at the same time. Linking dubious statements about campaign contributions to a market failure that has been over 70 years in the making is not only stupid, it’s criminally ignorant.
Don’t worry, he’s not even reading the site he got the facts from correctly.
Oh crap, he’s on to me. *Hides mustache…..and headless corpse*
Honestly, it’s like you get your kicks from being absolutely extremist.
I rechristen thee “Ernst Stavro Bloviator”.
America=FAIL
CEO=WIN
Is this f*cker ACTUALLY getting 9 million dollar payoff?! That’s goddamn INSANE. That money should go towards bailing out AIG, not our tax dollars!!!!!
I agree, but isn’t the whole deal of a severance package that it is agreed upon through contract when the CEO is hired? I may have that wrong, if I do please correct me.
Just means we need to beat people who are making these contracts to pay for failure.
Can I bring the bat?
I would be honored. I will bring the nails.
Can I tape it?
Can I bring the lemon juice and nipple clips ? ……um… yeah..
I’ll bring a casserole.
I’ll bring pumpkin pie!
I’ll bring my outrage and a shotgun. For when we put him up against the wall.
It warms my dark little heart to see how we all come together like this. We will have plenty of impliments, video, and even food. This made my morning, thanks ya’ll.
Come for the torture, stay for the snacks. I’ll be there in a minute, my rapier needs sharpening.
I believe that Congress is at least considering placing limits on the payouts to the CEO’s of the failing companies as part of the $700 billion deal to help out those forced into bankruptcy by all this. Might knock the taxpayer bill down to $690 billion. Yay.
9 million is chump change. Carley Fiorina got 42 million for tanking HP
Must you feed my indignant and unfortunately impotent rage?
They make pills for that Honey … Ask McCain, he is all in favor of insurance paying for those but not birth control.
That isn’t impotent. Just my rage. Your allegations made me a sad panda. T_T
But I still love you. *sniff sniff*
I think it is best if I not go into my rant about the idiocy of the birth control not being covered issue. I worked for insurance and got very frustrated because I empathized with women just wanting to get their stuff and go on with their life but being held up or outright denied.
Am I on some kick-ass plan then? My BC is covered…..
Actually yes, almost every plan I know of when I was working insurance had issues with covering birth control.
You bet you are. My insurance, which covers just about every under the sun that I’ve ever needed, excludes BC.
Cheers to you!
*twitch* God I always hated dealing with Viagra calls when I worked for insurance. Sad thing is that I liked working for insurance.
That’s the one that kills me. Let’s cover the thing that causes pregnancy, but not the thing that prevents it. Makes me think there is a conspiracy. Or just inherent inequality. One or the other…
Always made me wonder. Even with chauvanistic logic, why not take care of the women they would be banging? Unless they want their affairs found out.
I can’t help but love the irony of the folks who have been saying that we need to let “The Market” decide everything and that we need to keep government from interfering in the way business works are the same people who have come to the government with their hats in their hands crying for government assistance. The Enron fiasco and the collapse of these insurance firms, investment firms and banks are a perfect example of the sort of clusterf**kery that occurs when the urge to deregulate a particular sector of the economy goes too far. Who would have guessed that the almighty venture capitalists would end up relying on a socialist solution to their problems
Well, it was interference in the market by the Democrats that led to this meltdown. They were the ones who forced lending companies to provide mortgages to people who were bad risks.
this has been building for at least the last ten years and who has been running the legislative houses for most of that time? It wasn’t the Dems…and considering the upsides that the banks and investment houses thought they could squeeze out of these risky deals nobody was twisting their arms to do it…The only Dems who were for that sort of crap were the Republican-lite “Blue Dogs”…and oh…not to put too fine a point on it, you might want to look up the Gramm-Leach-Billey act of 1999.
John McCain called for regulation and oversight in 2003.
Barack Obama took bribe money from the companies involved and did nothing.
“Present!”
John McCain and his lapdog have been calling for more deregulation to fix this mess. And was only last week.
Because as we all know.. in order to topple an economy, it only takes a barely majority vote and less than 2 years to do it.
If you used even a tenth.. a TENTH of the brainpower and energy you use to try and smear liberals, democrats, and Obama, you could have found Jimmy Hoffa, Cured Cancer, caught Osama Bin laden, and made a souffle without it collapsing.
Mmmmm souffle.
No, it takes years of corruption and political correctness. It takes a Democratic administration to force companies to accept bad loans.
Obama, with his bribes from Fannie and Freddy, is neck-deep in this thing. McCain tried to stop it, but didn’t have the power five years ago.
It’s truly impressive how unhinged from reality you become, Ernst…. Do the laws of causality work in your reality? How about basics of physics? I expect your basic law is “For every action, there is an extreme and convoluted overreaction.”
No, it’s “For every action, there is a way to pin it on Democrats”
Um, McCain has been around for longer than Obama and in power longer.
He’s too big of a wussy to stand up for straight conservative issues. So for a dyed in the wool conservative like me, I pretty much am so so on McCain, but love Palin. McCain crosses the aisle too much to make me happy
Just can’t please some girls it seems.
Those kind of girls are the funnest
LOL, perhaps.
You can’t?
Just because you heard some other idiot lying about something some place else does not make it true. No one FORCED anyone to do anything. Talking point: denied!
I found Jimmy Hoffa. But like a good geocacher I left him there for the next person to find. 8D
Geocacher win!!! I haven’t done that in forever. Need to get back into it.
Do any of you self-riotous bozos really believe ANY politician is honest? Face it, you vote for what you consider to be the lesser of two evils. The shame is that there are only two. When you’ve lived and observed long enough you will see the terriffic ironic comedy in Mel Brooks’ lin in “HIstory of the Wjorld”: it’s good to be the king(yes, I mean self-riotous)
No politician is completely honest.
But McCain is reasonably decent, and has a record of standing against corruption.
Obama ros through the corrupt Chicago machine, the dirtiest cabal in politics. Obama took more money from Fannie/Freddie than any politician bar one other Democrat. Obama is corruption personified.
McCain has whored himself to fundamentalists, I liked McCain over Bush, but now the campaign he is running and his VP pick is disappointing.
Your drawing lines between unrelated events. Someone donating to your political fund does not mean that you are suddenly responsible for any possible future failures. If the KKK makes anonymous donations to Bush, and then reveals the money trail, that does not make Bush a racist and more than it makes Obama responsible for market failure.
When I see claims this silly, I have to wonder if even the posters believe them, because if they do it’s a really sad testament to their own ignorance. Non-Rich republicans are suffering from a sick version of Stockholm syndrome, and they aren’t even aware of it.
Hey Ernst-
Keating 5 mean anything to you?
How about Phil Gramm?
At the risk of getting pummelled, if there was truly a Republican in charge on whom the blame could be squarely placed, he would have been hung last week. At the very least, I think there should be some serious investigations into the causes of this, to the tune of the swarms of investigators that have swooped down on Wasilla. Personally, I think the swarms of investigators should be present in all aspects of this election, not just against Palin. Let’s sic a few on McCain in earnest, and at least two or three on Obama to investigate the Ayers thing. Leave Biden alone, he’s busy hanging his own self.
*running as the tomatoes fly*
I’m hiding from the media. Shhhh. No tough questions here.
Can we just cuddle instead?
Only if the abstinence-only education doctrine says it’s okay.
What if I get you drunk?
Is that God’s Will?
we can see your house from here, too.
Regardless of what EP has to say, the “evil terrorist Bill Ayers” lead evaporates when the sun hits it. The charges against him were dropped in the late 70s. When he turned himself in, the authorities let him go without incident. Ayers is now reformed, working as a professor at the U of Chicago. Is he flagellant over having a radical anti-government past? No. Is he still plotting to overthrow the government? No. He just believes that what he was doing at the time was something he felt strongly in.
And no, the Weathermen never murdered anyone; the only casualities of their bombs were the two Weathermen who blew themselves up building a bomb; the armed truck robbery had no connection to the WU, despite what blogs people post.
Want to know how I know this? Because the media did investigate the connection. That is what they found.
You are just as guilty as EP in believing whatever you read. If what you are saying were true, why is Obama not shouting it from the mountaintop every time someone asks him about Ayers? Hmm, could be you are, as usual, full of shit.
Or perhaps because nobody asks Obama about Ayers. In a whisper campaign, nothing is directed toward the person in question, just insinuated at the voter.
And do I need to cite sources? I’m full of shit for believing what I read? I’ve looked into the matter of the Weathermen and the Weather Underground many times, long before Obama became a national figure — I’d heard rumors that one of my college profs was a member, and at the time had no idea who they were.
But, yeah, silly me believes what records demonstrate. How stupid.
*Pummels*
Hey, EP, I notice you don’t quote the poll numbers any more. Why is that?
What about Jimmy Stewart??
I don’t know who this guys is, but read below..
quote from http://business.smh.com.au/business/the-mother-of-all-ripoffs-20080924-4mrb.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap2
“On the positive news front, the former head of broken insurance company AIG, Robert Willumstad, voluntarily forfeited a $US22 million severance package after he was giving his marching orders. He was only appointed in June.
“I prefer not to receive severance while shareholders and employees have lost considerable value in their AIG shares,” wrote Willumstad in an email to his successor Edward Liddy.”
and again form the same article, which I think sums it up from an average taxpayer’s perspective:
“Could there be a finer reward for failure? Could there be a worse deal for taxpayers?
No stake in the upside, no ceiling on extortionate Wall Street salaries, no guarantee the system will be stabilised. Just the mother of all rip-offs: a deal to privatise Wall Street’s profits and socialise its losses.”
Look at me, I’m Pundit!
All Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008
Name Office State Party Grand Total Total from PACs Total Individuals
Dodd, Christopher J S CT D $165,400 $48,500 $116,900
Obama, Barack S IL D $126,349 $6,000 $120,349
Wait wait wait! Look there! It’s like he was leaving out information!
Go figure.
Are you mocking Ernst’s reality filter???? Don’t you realize he needs it to justify his existence!?!?! I mean, without it, he might have to admit he lies and falsifies for partisan ends!!!! Which, as we all know, is anathema to EVERYTHING Ernst Stavro Bloviator screeds against….
You guys hate him because he’s usually correct
Maybe some people, but I hate him because he’s usually wrong. And the few times he is right, or when nobody has challenged his lie, he will repeat it at every possible moment (relevant or not).
Make LOL’s, not hate
he can be a pain in the ass, but he is the only one I know that almost always provides references for his claims. Even when some of them are wrong like the one cited here.
I’ll admit to not bothering to cite my sources; however, that doesn’t absolve EP of the Jerome-Corsi technique of citing blogs as factual sources.
Well, say what you want, but this source he cites is not a blog. And at least he cites something. We are (mostly) adults here, we can decide for ourselves if it is a worth citation. The numbers he cited come from a post to what appear to be a fairly balanced non-profit group that slams both sides pretty regularly. And they do appear to suggest that Obama got a lot of money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. McCain is not even on the list. And for the record, I will take his shitty citations over your lack of citation any day.
So you prefer blatant bias and lies being hyped as fact. Watch Fox news much?
so 100k from a bank equals more than millions from oil to McCain?
As for citation, I can assume you know how to use Google right? However, I know how this will end. I disagree with you therefore I am a liberal/lefty instead of the moderate I actually am.
OK the site won’t let me reply to martin0641 comment on September 23rd, 2008 at 7:59 pm so i,ll put it here
Taking money from a government-backed company is unethical and smack of corruption. And Obama has “whored” him self to the far left as much as McCain has to the far right. You can’t get the party nomination with out doing it. And why is Palin a disappointing? The first woman on a republican ticket. Is it because she’s a woman who disagrees with you? So… there fore she should get back in the kitchen…
More likely that Palin is disappointing because she has come from so little experience and so many controversies.
and is blatant ovarie pandering even though she is completely opposed to most issues women find important – like equal pay. McCain is also opposed but he is an old guy … almost have to expect it from him
Must be a pain to see the enemy and realize it is one of your own. I never understood that either…
Every time I see a woman in power trying to set women back, I just want to tell her to get back to the kitchen since that is apparently where she wants to be. Then perhaps the women who actually want progress could get to making that progress with less hindrance.
Why are liberal women the only women who matter in the struggle to be equal? Palin has it all, regardless of her views on pro-choice vs pro-life. Isn’t she living the feminist ideal? Family, job in power, a man who basically stays out of the picture except to contribute a paycheck? She thinks that saving the baby is better, but isn’t that the epitome of “choice”? Or is the fatal flaw in the pro-choice movement that the choice is almost always abortion? How is that a choice any more than supporting life? Instead of pro-choice, could we call them pro-life and pro-abortion?
Just sayin’.
And no, choice is not pro-abortion. It means that women can chose abortion if they are raped though. It means that they are allowed birth control too. Palin believes birth control is no better than abortion because the egg is still fertilized, it just doesn’t stick to the uterus.
Just because a woman is pro-choice does not mean that she will choose abortion, it means that she supports other women who may feel trapped into making that choice.
Also – women’s issues are not all about abortion. They are also equal pay. Women still make about 70% of what men in the same positions do. McCain has opposed doing anything about that though. Women’s issues are also about education and special needs … Palin has a TERRIBLE record on those issues as does McCain.
McCain has actually scored lowest of any senator on Veteran’s issue for heaven’s sake. He is all talk about his POW status but he has consistently turned his back on POW’s and Veteran’s from the day he took office … unless it was for a photo-op.
If anyone wants to debate issues I would love to see one, ONE vote in which McCain supported veteran’s care or support for our troops. He is happy to send them over there but he is remiss in voting for life saving equipment. He is happy to take pictures with veterans, but he walks away when they ask why he didn’t help them with healthcare issues. He is always promoting his POW cred but he was on the commission which refused to release any information about those left behind and he verbally abused the mother that requested it.
There were electronic sensors dropped which would sense troop movements. They would also broadcast rescue signals if a soldier or airman plugged in their ID. There are reports of dozens of ignored airmen and soldier signals after the war ended.
North Korea released about 1/2 of the POW’s and held the rest for reparations which were promised but never came (they did the same to France but France paid and got their troops back) this information is all in the reports McCain refuses to release.
Speaking of refusal to release … how about medical records? 1200 pages covering just the past 8 years and he gives 20 reporters only 3 hours with them? This is why Palin is so scary. Sounds like McCain is trying something hinky. That woman could be president … God Help us … Of course her witch hunting pastor would be there to make sure god does help us. It will only cost us a little more of our freedom and a little more of our privacy… small price?
witch-hunty video funtime under my name (yes it is a liberal blog, just watch the vid – you don’t have to assault your eyes with the typing.
I am not saying they do. Palin is against letting women choose for themselves. That is a step backwards. As for the ideal of a man being just a paycheck, why would somebody want a significant other as just a shadow money source? Isn’t that a step backwards as well? I suppose I am crazy to believe that feminists want it equal.
As for the choice comment, she thinks keeping the baby is better but it is Bristol’s body. If Bristol wants to keep it, awesome. I’ve been in the abortion situation and it is gut wrenching. I am so glad we choose to keep the fetus and let it become my four year old boy.
Pro Choice will always be that, choice. To keep or not to keep with both options being available. Pro Life simply means you have the baby no matter what. That is the inherent problem those of us have with it.
Technically the feminist ideal is the concept of choice, to be the woman you choose to be. If you want to be CEO, go for it. If you want to be Mom at home, go for it. If you want to work and be a mom, go for it. I never thought the epitome of feminism was to just establish a new stereotype for women. If women can be anything, why are we assuming that the epitome is just one thing?
CHEER!!!!
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I aspire to be a stay at home mom in 2-3 years (after the wedding and procreation) I don’t see that as an affront to feminists, I see it as my personal choice to stay home with my kids. Once they start school I will head back into the workforce.
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I am already learning to crochet and have 2 baby blankets (they are ugly but made with love) done … admittedly this slightly freaks out the fiance but he is looking forward to being a dad as much as I am to being a mom.
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I have never been in a situation where I had to choose. I don’t think I could have gone through with an abortion, my family would have supported my choice to have the baby and would have helped me raise it. Just because I don’t think I could do it myself though does not give me the right to say another woman should be forced to have a child that she does not want. It is not my place to make that decision for a stranger. How do I know what she is going through? How do I know what kind of life she thinks the baby would have?
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This is the thing that honestly disgusts me about the pro-life movement. They say a woman MUST have the baby if she gets pregnant. Some of them help the woman out with counseling (that is a good thing BTW) and some help with medical bills (also good) but as soon as the baby is out 90% of those groups could care less what happens to it. Hey, mission accomplished, baby born. So what if the woman has no where to go, no family support, no marketable skills. She had the baby… now how is she going to feed and raise it? NOT THEIR PROBLEM.
The only way to teach these companies is to do what my husband and i did today. Our AIG policy expires on Oct 2 and we will have a new policy with State Farm. Speak with your $. It is the only thing these people understand.
Today I would love to see the comment FIRST! or even FRIST!
Quick lets get this election over so I can go back to reading FUN comments not this fighting that I see on the news boards. This is supposed to be FUN people!
Who is the picture of? What is this guys name?
Oh – so my main point here is:
She does not speak for all women. She is not living a dream. Most women I know care about other women and want to help them NOT get raped. Most women I know would not be so disloyal as to lie about friends just to get into power.
While I do hate seeing unbalanced treatment, I am actually curious if this is honestly unbalanced. We have seen Obama for over a year now and he has been investigated to all hell and back.
As for Palin, we only have a couple months to get aclimated to her in a national role, so we dig. Biden’s closet has already been scoured just as Obama’s has and just as McCain’s has. Now it is Palin’s turn. So all being equal, shouldn’t we scour for skeletons?
From what I have seen on this sight, there is plenty on Obama as we don’t stop hearing about it from those against him.
This site isn’t the liberally slanted news media, who refer to themselves as one of them. I wish I had the exact quote so that I could reference it properly, but when a nationally known news anchor says “we’re doing better in the polls” when Obama’s numbers go up as opposed to McCain’s, we have a serious bias problem. Fox News notwithstanding, for it’s well-known that they are conservative slanted. The networks, however, are firmly entrenched on the left side of the spectrum. If there was truly balanced coverage of the news, there would be stories out there about Obama’s unmarried 17 year old mother and how wrong that is along with the stories about Bristol Palin and what a bad mother she will be because she is young and having a shotgun wedding. People who aren’t as enlightened as the ladies and gentlemen on this site and who don’t go and get the facts for themselves instead of only seeing the stories through the lens of CBS, NBC, and ABC aren’t going to hear all of the crap from the left. They only hear the crap from the right. Both sides have crap, and I want an equal accounting, dammit!
And I agree with you. However, I will say this. Obama’s unwed mother isn’t an issue with the Left. Out of wedlock children are a problem according to the Right though. So that is the disconnect there.
As a moderate, I don’t care about who is married with what baby. Life happens. I really want to believe that Palin is going to be understanding of her daughter and do all that cool after school special stuff that helps Bristol pull through this hard time in her life. If she is, great. I am happy for her.
However, what I don’t like is when people use their children as political stunts. Her policy on abstinence only education is a literal bust but I haven’t seen her amend any stance on that.
I would love to see more dirt on Obama, sure, heap it on. Let’s get good and muddy as long as we can stay honest. (Which hasn’t happened yet on either side. *sigh*)
I am sure if I was running, people would be questioning my two sons, my relationships, my beard, long hair, etc etc. Hell, it is annoying but as long as it isn’t made up, sure. Why not, let’s get good and dirty.
So yes, short version of all that rant, I agree with you. I want equal accounting.
I need some proof of this so-called straight news story that claims that Bristol Palin will be a poor mother.
Studies of the media show that if you believe they are liberally slanted before hand then you are only going to pick out things that reaffirm the belief. If you believ that the media is conservatively slanted then you see things that reaffirm that. And I’m not talking FOX, CNN, MSNBC I’m talking about the network news stations. It comes down to you see what you want, the theory of affirmation.
Which is unfair. However, I will remind you. It is open season on Republicans because of Bush. Isn’t fair but it explains the media buzzing about all the flaws of the conservatives lately if you ask me.
Wah, wah, wah. It’s all so unfair. The left controls EVERYTHING! The right is a noble minority, the last defenders of what’s true and good and right in America. I’ve got all this proof that, uh, I can’t find right now, but it, uh, proves that I’m right. Trust me.
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That’s what I’m hearing.
O_o…
I suppose that is one way to say it.
But that’s not what I said. Or how I said it.
I honestly think he was making a jab or few at me, hun. Which REALLY confuses me…
The media are as liberal as the conservatives that own them.
I think what many interpret as a liberal bias is the populist angle many news stations take: they want to run stories the common man can relate to, because then he watches that station.
My point exactly. The news is a business, not a public service. There is a bottom line and what they say is controlled not only by the CEOs but also by the advertisers. Stories are run and printed that bring eyes to the ads, that’s all it is. Informing the public is just a bonus.
Can I have a hug to console me, then? Or I’ll give you a hug to console you. Big bad mean liberal trying to twist everything we say *pout*