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THERE WAS A CROWD OF LOYAL RON PAUL SUPPORTERS IN THIS PICTURE, BUT THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA CONSPIRACY MACHINE OF FEDERAL OPPRESSION PHOTOSHOPPPED THEM OUT!
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Meh at best.
Poor man, he doesn’t get invited anywhere. Debates, town hall meetings, you name it. The third party in USA has no cred.
Considering.
A. Third parties never get invited to anything because they have consistantly shown they don’t have a voting base to pull from, and most people are not as interested in hearing from them. Perot was the last third party candidate to get respect and that turned out poorly.
B. Ron Paul isn’t running as a third party. He was as republican candidate in the republican primary.
Your B may be correct, but your A isn’t.
Third party candidates don’t get invited because most events are sponsored by PACs or supporters of one or the other major party. As to Perot being the last to get any respect, you forgot Ralph Nader who became the only third party candidate in history to make a proven difference in the outcome of a very close election.
Except you are also wrong, because there have been tons of third party candidates that affected the election. Southern Democrats and Constitutional Union in 1860? Bull Moose in 1912? And you yourself mentioned Ross Perot. Please pay attention in history class next time.
Who has proven that Ralph Nader made a difference?
No one, that’s who.
What makes you think that there is even 3 parties? This country has always been ruled by one party the cowardly wealthy.
Amen.
meh at best, but total crap at worst…
So *this* is where I left that third candidate!
Poor Ron.
*hugs him*
I agree. He looks so alone and sad in this picture. Maybe I’ll vote for him if it makes him smile
Doooooo eeeeeeeeet!
*enables*
Doesn’t he, though? The only things in my mind when I see this picture are ‘what kind of spiteful bastard took this picture instead of hugging Ron?’, ‘who was mean to Ronny and can I smack them?’ and ‘damn, his shoes are big.’
It’s the middle of the night. I can’t sleep.
I sympathize with the big shoes. I’m a size 15.
Must. Not. Make. Comment.
*runs away to wash mouth with soap*
Make the comment! You’re my kinda person!
Well, not making the comment but mentioning it’s on the tip of my tongue is somewhat similar to making it, but classier, no?
You got me beat. 13 here.
Hell, I’m size 21!
Sad? .. Not that I don’t like “The Paul” but, I think I’m gonna have to take this to Totally Looks Like…..
Slingblade!
Hit the link for my recap
Poor baby!! Doesn’t he look so sad?
poor ron! now i have to vote for him because he looks so sad.
RON PAUL ’08! (now i have offically switched my vote!)
I miss the hug time LOL of this picture.
How can you mock an old man who looks so sad? That’s an awful picture!
He is so SAD because nobody LISTENED to him, and now we’re REALLY in the crapper! Somehow “I told you so” doesn’t do the situation justice ….
THANK you!! Poor Dr Paul. He’s a good man with good ideas and I think that was his downfall in this election. He also tried to make a go of it back in ’88 and nobody listened to him then either. I has a sad.
It has to be so frustrating to know you’d be able to help your country but no one wants to listen because of their own petty interests. I don’t envy Dr. Paul in that respect.
Like Bush ?
Not in the slightest.
sometimes referred to as cassandra complex.
Boy, I got a case of that, let me tell you!
I don’t believe you…
lol.
Ron Paul was right.
Look at the two nutjobs we have left! We are so totally screwed!
Everyone writing in Ron Paul when they go to vote raise ya hands!
I’ll probably be writing him in. Its better than not voting. I don’t see either McCain or Obama doing anything game-changing enough to earn my vote.
yea but lets be serious,
ron paul isnt gonna win,
so atleast vote for the guy who has a good chance of winning,
that you think is going to do the least damage.
And this comment is what’s wrong with the US.
You FAIL.
Yeah, I’ll probably write in Ron Paul too.
I stood on street corners holding signs for him in Alaska, you know…
Yeah, that’s what I thought in 2000 when I voted for Nader. Now, Oregon went for Gore anyway, but I still haven’t stopped kicking myself.
*raises hand*
Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. This is why I’m still writing in Ron Paul:
“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.”
– John Quincy Adams
“you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.”
Unless you are in Florida.
Not knowing how to properly cast a vote is not the same as having it thrown away.
But when votes are allegedly literally thrown away, there is a problem.
Also, voting was restricted for some because of non-existent criminal records. They merely needed to look like a criminal to be censored at some of the smaller poll locations. (Or as is my understanding)
I don’t mean to sound harsh, but your understanding is a bit flawed. The votes that were thrown away was due to several things. One of which was the inability of the voter to cast their’s correctly (i.e. marking more then one candidate, hanging chad, etc.) As for the non-existant criminal record, can you provide any citations?
Not harsh at all. I knew I could be wrong, so I qualified it as such with “as is my understanding”.
In case you’re wondering, my source was my mum a few years ago. She was one of the furthest left people I have ever known, but I have rarely known her to be wrong.
I did your Mum
That is far more disturbing than you can know.
And I sold the pictures.
1 in 5 voters have been purged in Colorado. One of the reasons listed is “piror criminal record” for people that haven’t even had issued a speeding ticket. The icing on the cake is that CO is one of the states where an ex-felon has the right to vote.
I remember this, though the only source I can remember is Democracy Now with Amy Goodman, I didn’t listen to it directly, someone I knew told me about it. What the program talked about was that if youv’e been convicted of a misdemeanor, you can still vote, (once you’ve served time I think), but if you’ve been convicted of a a felony, no. In florida, there was some shadiness with people’s voter registration status saying they’d been found guilty of a felony when it was in fact a misdemeanor. That’s the extent of my knowledge on the matter, but a google search might turn up the actual sources I would think (and one day, when I’m not trying to get myself to be productive at work, I’ll do it myself).
To herb, bitter, and others:
I recently discovered the truth about ex-felons (yes, there is such a thing). Once a someone convicted of a felony has discharged his entire sentence–imprisonment and/or parole and/or probation–his felony status is discharged and he is again allowed to vote.
While I am with you in principle, I don’t think I’ll be writing in Dr. Paul- here’s why… To be a VALID write in candidate each state has their own hoops that have to be set afire and then jumped through… Otherwise the ballot gets stuck in a folder in the bottom drawer of a filing cabinet which is then welded shut and placed in the basement of a foreign US Embassy that is drawn at random.
As an alternative I will be checking in on the ronpaul website as D(oom)-day approaches and hopefully Dr. Paul will have a suggestion… last I checked he seems to be leaning towards Chuck Baldwin, I believe Constitution Party nominee.
For months I’ve been suggesting to people that they pick a ‘third-party’ candidate and vote for them… doesn’t matter which one, just one of them… I mean really… of the 6 and a half BILLION people living in the US these are the best they can come up with? These are the best hopes for our future? For me it’s proof of all the evil conspiracy theorist ideas that constantly get heckled…
youre retarded, theres not even 1 billion people in the states u moron, theres only 305,367,460 people!
Unless of course the entire population of Earth suddenly moved to the U.S. overnight o.o”
California has been accused of being a black hole, so it is possible..
Since when do they have an LHC as well?
I think he’s also counting illegal aliens.
WIN!
Hey? I thought the US was the whole world…
Yeah, he made a little mistake. That’s perfect justification to start making abusive comments.
Douchenozzle.
Is the filing cabinet marked with a sign saying “Beware of the Leopard”?
No, Beware of the PUMA.
its a warthog.
(RVB if you dunno)
lol, awesome.
Poor Ron
He made a lot of sense, though some of his ideas like pulling out of the UN and NATO seemed rash.
Pull out of UN and NATO, build a 20 foot wall around the US, and actually start taking care of our own citizens
*running away before she gets called a whack job* 
WHACK JOB
In case you didn’t hear me, again:
Damn. I tried to use html to make it bigger.
I want to strangle you for even ATTEMPTING to use obnoxious formatting!
I promise i’m not as whacked out as my inflamatory, stirring the pot statements make me out to be, no matter what my mommy says!
I like your kind of crazy though…
My kind of crazy scares children and small animals, but seems to bring men out of the woodwork…….hmmmmmm……..
And in DW’s case, men who act like children. (Just pickin on ya DW)
Keeps me young.
Ya, animals and kids are scared of awesome. Men are drawn to it…
>_>
<_<
in bed.
I was trying to yell at froofrou, whom had just run away, so obviously a normal tone of voice would be insufficient.
*sneaks back and thumps PiMan in the ear* Tag!!!!
Ow. You’re lucky I’m an unfit pacifist, or you’d be in for a world of hurt. I may have to settle for saying nasty things behind your back.
*pouts*
I will just say nasty things to your face. Dirty, Godless things!!! But none of them mean.
You might say Godful things if it’s done right, hehe.
Like I said, she said “Oh my god!!!” and I told her that Master would suffice.
Awww.. he looks so sad and lonely… Poor Ron Paul. Don’t you just want to hug him and tell him it’s gunna be alright?
Yes, I do. But it would be a lie…
Indeed.
That’s so sad.
Wow.
Lame.
I supported Dr. Paul, not uber-fanatically like some did, but to an extent.
I just don’t find the humor in this.
I second that…
The one guy who understands the economy and warned us all with constructive solutions. Now he’s out of the race.
At least there is the Campaign for Liberty…
Did you hear him speaking out against the bailout during the hearings? This guy really understands the problem.
Yes but sadly, he had way too many hurdles to overcome as a candidate. First, he didn’t support the war, so he lost most of the Republican vote. Second, he’s listed as a Republican and therefore has lost a lot of the Democrat vote. If he were to have gone to an independent party, he would have been ignored for the most part.
He had some good ideas but the odds were stacked against him.
Yeah that is one of the huge problems with our system. It does not allow anyone with new or fresh ideas to get a shot to try them. We just see-saw back and forth jumping between two failed ideologies hoping that every so often it evens out.
Should have had Kucinich as a running mate.
lol
That would have been a ticket that would leave me undecided. I LOVE Kucinich.
It would be the Yin Yang of American Politics — two guys with ideas climbing out of obscurity to save the day — “There’s no need to fear…”
This the same Kucinich who bankrupted the city of Cleveland? Yeah, he would have been great for the economy.
I dunno. I guess if I supported him I may be singing a different tune. I honestly wish I had earlier. He did have a lot of good ideas, but he had a lot I wasn’t as fond of either. Ah well, maybe next time.
I still say he’s better than what we’ve got now.
Finally, a funny PK LOL!
I’m genuinely sad looking at Mr. Paul in that picture. An epitomy of a broken old man.
Dr. Paul is not broken by any means…. but I wish more people had listened to him. Ron Paul revolution – give us back the constitution.
True Story.
most of them are actually there…online…
Thank you scum-bot for turning this picture around! Yeah for the online supporters! As the earlier thread said, Ron Paul seems to be the ONLY person in Washington who (1) understands the country’s true problems, (2) predicted said problems, and (3) can solve said problems, not just patch them over until the next election. He also (4) answered direct questions with direct and HONEST answers instead of trying to change the subject or point the finger or spin the same old rhetoric.
We had a chance, but instead the corrupt ones won the day again.
Blame Canada…
yayz
It’s so heartening to read so many supportive comments about Ron Paul. He is a fine man and would have provided a real counter-point to Obama’s statism. You’ll never see that with McCain
Obama/Paul ticket? That sounds rather epic…
I was thinking Paul/Obama personally.
Eh, whatever, that works well too. Gives Obama experience and Ron Paul somebody who nobody would assassinate him over.
Paul/Pailin rhymes better
The PP ticket.. great
Let’s not put a nut near the White House. I wouldn’t want to vote for PP either.
Better than Pailin/Paul- though it rhymes .
Clint Eastwood for president !!!!
Can you imagine the look he would give Putin ?
“Go ahead- Make My Day “!
Clint Eastwood is beautiful……but only with a beard, a poncho and no name.
Paul/Obama…I actually like that. Some Fiscal conservatism with some liberal social leanings.
Paul conviences Obama that homeschooling is okay and Obama conviences Paul that isolationism left with the Congress of Vienna.
Damn it. Why didn’t the internet think of this sooner?
Dont worry, the men in the white coats are coming for you.
I’m pretty sure that was sarcasm.
ANYWAY…
So, the truth is out! PK is not a bastion of LIberals, it is a bastion of Libertarians!!!
Looney Liberals
I’m quite enjoy the moon.
it is a little dark here!
shout if you can hear me.
You might feel a little SICK!
There is no pain….
Quick…turn out the lights, I think I see a laser show coming on…
*snort* you’re awesome.
thnks…just remember the games and daisy chains and laughs!
Aww this picture is sad. (There is a light in the background that looks like one they would put up to get your picture taken, or to be on tv hmmm…)
I think that whole “getting feverish support from the StormFront Neo-Nazis” thing was probably what really did him in.
Nazis FTW. Literally. And not in a nice, happy way.
Wow, the mainstream media has some serious Photoshop skills.
Turns out they used the gnu Professional Image Manipulation Program..
meh feel sorry for the guy
Am I the only one who looked at this pc and the first thing that popped in my head was the theme music from The Hulk(the Lonely Man)?????
Ron Paul’s campaign is believed to be dead and he must let the world think that it is dead until he can find a way to control the raging Libertarian spirit that dwells within him. *roar*
LOL, I love it.
Seriously, youtube it, let it play while looking at this pic, you’ll either laugh or cry.
I cried.
“The Mainstream Media Conspiracy Machine of Federal Oppression”: best band name ever.
Definitely, though they’ll never be shown on NBC…
I’m astounded, but in a good way. Do you realize this is the first LOL in awhile where both sides actually agreed? There hasn’t been any sniping back and forth, how refreshing!
I was thinking the same thing!
Unless…
Maybe it’s just that the mindless Obamites and McCainians don’t know who he is.
Haha! Yes, it’s amazing. Oddly, it seems it takes either Ron Paul or Star Wars to bring the room together. Ron Paul, who’da thunk it!
Yet another reason he should be president.
Umm, uhhhhh, Ron Paul’s old!!! ok, now something bad has been said about him. I was starting to think something was wrong with PK. An entire 100+comment thread without anything bad being said. I agree with the above statement though, Obama would have done well picking Paul for VP.
I’m writing him in.
If i lived in the USA I would write him in… Instead… I live in New Zealand…
And I am so so jealous….
You would have to learn the Haka though..
God, I miss NZ.
Yay John Keys!
Your Ex has a message for you. (s)he says, “Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa”.
Same here I think..
Reminds me of Dukakis.
I’m a… I’m a… a excellent leader… yeah… yeah
What’s the big deal with Ron Paul?
Ron Paul is proof that anyone can misunderstand their own education.
Here’s the difference: Ron Paul spoke to the idea of bringing troops home to protect and free America and keep/regain it’s sovereignity.
Obama and/or McCain, either of them, will bring them home to control America thru a declaration of martial law, according to a “problem” near and dear to each side’s pet ideologies- and their followers will be happy about it! thinking their safe!
The US military is not large enough to control the entire US population, and I seem to recall that sort of event being one of the reasons you are allowed guns.
Alarmist much?
That’s what the law enforcement is for too. There’s enough military & law enforcement combined to do the job, and not everyone will fight back.
Gimme my tinfoil hat. It’s the one what says “Bad M*thaf*cka” on it.
When the troops come home.. and your a** goes down, you’ll feel a little sting
That sting you feel, is pride… f*cking with you.
Well you know what I say? F*ck Pride.
“Who’s Zed?”
“Zed? Zed’s dead honey….”
And people in the military and law enforcement aren’t mindless storm troopers. Some of them will say, “Hey, this is f&cked up” And in many cases desert, or maybe even ‘switch sides’
not the whole country at once, regional; say a outbreak here, a hurricane there (Katrina ring a bell?), a bank run scare here, an immigration ‘problem’ there… a tie in this election getting decided by Congress????
As far as allowed guns… for how long? 40 years tops? Aren’t you guaging the culture on this issue? With the forces of gov.control getting help from all the good minded people protecting animals “rights”, and “our children” with gun bans, gun registration, gun free zones, etc….
Most only picture this as a ‘tanks on every street’ thing- it slow incremental loss and most won’t realize it because all their reassuring folks, the Katie Courics- i.e. AP, MSNBC, Fox, Reuters, Yahoo, will always give them just enough to feel they know what’s really going on, smacked right in between the tv entertainment news headlines. Example:
**National Guard, 3rd Infantry Battallion, fresh with skills to fight in civian territory, is back from active duty in Iraq, called into enforce curfew in Canton, Ohio after riot.
**Red Carpet do’s and don’ts
**Is your 401k safe?
bad, important news followed up with distraction and something to keep us thinking in our own little world…
maybe 500 extra hours of community service over the mandated 1000 will earn a good citizen the right to carry a gun for the new North American Civil Helper Patrol or whatever it may be.
Im very sorry, you feel the need to bring guns into no gun zones.. like hospitals,
schools, airports, libraries, most of us know there’s no need to shoot kids, doctors, and librarians. A good charlie horse works just as well.
But on a more serious note…. Until the supreme court overturns the Right to Bear arms, you’ll always have your guns. From what I have read on the policies, Dems want to take away the right to buy ASSAULT rifles. As far as I can tell the zombie apocalypse hasnt happened, and deer havent grown fangs and become carnivores. Anything else you hunt can be brought down with a single shot, bolt or semi auto weapon. So there’s no need to own a rifle that can mow down multiple humanoids, with few uses otherwise.
Also from what I have read, Dems propose to limit the amount of guns able to be bought to 1 within a month. Moderation is the key, especially when dealing with lethal weapons. The liscense issue is a non issue. No one else who’s in a line of work that involves a gun, gets to own a gun without being liscenced, civillians should be no different.
My thoughts on gun control are rather moderate. The right to bear arms is undeniable. The right to horde weapons, buying weapons made specifically for killing people not animals, and owning a weapon whenever you’re not mentally and physcially fit, is deniable.
I defeats common sense to say that someone is trying to “take away your guns”. And its even more ridiculous that the federal government would try to enforce a nationwide martial law. There are lessons to fighting rebels on their own ground. We taught an entire empire that some 200 odd years ago. And the same holds true today….
Aw hell you know what… screw it, where’s my list? Your post fails…
Actually, Maxwell, your faulty interpretation of what We The People have a RIGHT to possess is what fails. Seriously – there are so many wildly-incorrect victim-disarmament talking points in there that I literally don’t have TIME to address them all. Suffice it to say that the so-called “assault weapons” (not assault RIFLES, which actually do EXIST) are in reality almost exactly the same as your average semi-auto deer rifle – they just shoot a somewhat-less-powerful cartridge than the deer rifle does. The Founders would be spinning in their graves over the notion that Americans ought to be limited in the number of firearms purchased in any given unit of time, or that they ought to be licensed to exercise their inalienable human right to keep and bear arms.
Conveniently, you didnt give a counter argument to ANY of my points.
Stating “You’re interpretation is faulty” does not convince me otherwise.
Give me a good reason to bring a weapon onto school grounds. Give me a good reason why your hypothetical neighbor who’s a borderline sociopath, with
violent dendancies and a previous record of violence needs to own a weapon without being properly screened first. Explain to me what you need an assault weapon, rifle, or whatever other than a rifle to hunt with? Why would you need
to buy more than one gun a month? To match your shoes? Your bright orange vest? Why?
Ive stated my opinion and brought forth situations, circumstantial though
they may be, that do support my opinion. Im not bringing The Founders
into this cause I was born about 200 years after they all died. I cant speak
for them, so Im not going to. What I can speak for, is the living document
they left behind. They left it living because they knew, times would change,
and that document would have to be augmented and updated.
But the REAL point of everything Ive stated went right over your head: The
president cant just take your guns away. The supreme court can. And from what Ive read, heard, and witnessed, no one is trying to take your guns away.
Everyone should be screened for prior crimminal background before being allowed to purchase a weapon.
Did I do well? 
The main reason, while not a great one, to have an assault rifle is simply to have it. I know a lot of gun collectors who keep assault rifles the same way a lot of people keep baseball cards.
More than one gun a month depends on what you’re using it for. If I had the money, I would have purchased my husband a .270 rifle for deer hunting at the same time we both purchased our handguns. Convenience is all. And we are both licensed.
My reasons for bringing a gun onto a school campus or other ‘gun free zones’ has been stated in another thread, but I’ll restate it here: If I’m planning on kiling large numbers of people to (a) get my name in the news, (b) get revenge on those I feel have wronged me, or (c) just for the hell of it, the first place I’m going is somewhere I know for a fact isn’t going to be able to defend itself. Virginia Tech might have been less bloody if one person with a license and a gun had taken out the shooter before he got any further.
Now, before you start yelling at me, remember, I’m from the school of ‘if you give them all guns, the stupid will weed themselves out’. It’s a completely radical view that in no way will work in reality, but it’s MY radical view, dammit, and I’m allowed to have it
I don’t think that guns will be taken from us any time in the near future. The thing that scares me is that in the distant future they will be gone, and we won’t know why. Then when we look back at history we will realize that this small gun law after this small gun law all added up and took away a right guaranteed by the Constitution.
I’m done with my rant. I didn’t really have a dog in this fight, but it was interesting to try to counter your points with my own
Give me a good reason to bring a weapon onto school grounds.
-To protect myself from all the kids who grew up playing Grand Theft Auto
Give me a good reason why your hypothetical neighbor who’s a borderline sociopath, with
violent dendancies and a previous record of violence needs to own a weapon without being properly screened first.
-To shoot at the little voices who plague him nightly
Explain to me what you need an assault weapon, rifle, or whatever other than a rifle to hunt with?
-Carnivorous zombie deer
Why would you need
to buy more than one gun a month? To match your shoes? Your bright orange vest? Why?
-Cause I keep breaking them
Ive stated my opinion and brought forth situations, circumstantial though
they may be, that do support my opinion.
-And I’ve made a few comments that I find ammusing because it’s 1 am here and I have an odd sense of humour.
Im not bringing The Founders into this cause I was born about 200 years after they all died. I cant speak for them, so Im not going to.
-I can’t speak for them either….yet. Give it time though, I just bought a George Washington puppet and a copy of “Ventriloquism for dummies”
What I can speak for, is the living document
they left behind. They left it living because they knew, times would change,
and that document would have to be augmented and updated.
-I can’t think of anything funny to say about this part, though it could be argued that I haven’t really said anything funny so far.
But the REAL point of everything Ive stated went right over your head: The
president cant just take your guns away. The supreme court can. And from what Ive read, heard, and witnessed, no one is trying to take your guns away.
-You know what makes it really really difficult to take away peoples guns? The fact that those people have guns.
Damn, I was hoping to avoid this argument. I don’t need to buy swords or guns. However, I want to. If I can qualify for whatever licenses, why should I be prevented? I know this will buy me some enemies but I would be cool with being in a mandatory database for those who buy assault rifles. Granted I know that if the government decides to wipe us out, the database would make those with assault rifles primary targets but I feel if the government starts hunting us down, we are all in trouble anyway. If I know I am on a list, I can be ready if it comes to that.
Otherwise, I can just play with my guns and swords in my backyard and not bother anybody.
If you’re psychotic, obviously you don’t need a weapon. We saw what happened when the system failed to stop the Virginia shooting cuz of faulty background checks.
As for the zombie apocalypse, an assault rifle won’t do you that much good anyway. Spray and pray is for amateurs. Learn how to conserve ammo and make intelligent shots.
Okay, sure – got a little more time today. EVERYONE ELSE, PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS *VERY* LONGWINDED – you may wish to skip over it.
“Give me a good reason to bring a weapon onto school grounds.”
I’ll give you a few – Columbine, Pearl High, Red Lake Sr. High, Virginia Tech… the list goes on and on. The bad guys are ALREADY violating multiple existing laws in their murder sprees – all the victim-disarmament-zone signs do is keep the good guys from being able to STOP them before they’ve killed pretty much everyone they want to.
Heck – in Pearl, if the assistant principal hadn’t had to run a quarter-mile each way to retrieve his 1911 pistol from his car’s truck off-campus (complying with
the requirement to keep firearms offsite), he might have been able to stop the shooter at his school even faster, and saved MORE lives than he did.
Add to that the fact that virtually everyone carrying a firearm is NOT a psycho killer (those who go to the time and trouble of qualifying for and obtaining a Concealed Weapon Permit in particular are SAFER AND MORE LAW-ABIDING than the rest of the general public) – so why do you CARE whether or not they’re carrying?
“Give me a good reason why your hypothetical neighbor who’s a borderline sociopath, with violent dendancies and a previous record of violence needs to own a weapon without being properly screened first.”
Under current law, such a person would already be legally disqualified from possession – not just OWNERSHIP, but mere POSSESSION – of so much as a single round of .22LR ammo. Has been for DECADES.
But then, I don’t generally get hysterically paranoid about the possibility that my neighbors MIGHT be psychos. Restricting people’s rights without valid cause – due process and/or proper adjudication as either mentally-defective or a danger to self or others – is *WRONG*. Why do you seek to violate MY rights (or don’t care if they are violated), out of the patently-unreasonable fear of what someone ELSE *MIGHT* do?
“Explain to me what you need an assault weapon”
No such animal. Oh, there are a wide variety of firearms which have had that nonsensical label APPLIED to them by politicians seeking to outlaw them, but it doesn’t MEAN anything – any time you want to outlaw firearms based on COSMETIC criteria, to borrow a phrase from ICHC, you’re doin’ it wrong. Now assault RIFLES – and every other weapon subject to the National Firearms Act of 1934 (any full-auto or select-fire weapon, any rifle with a barrel less than 16″ or shotgun with a barrel under 18″ (or either one less than 26″ overall, IIRC), and any suppressor – what most people erroneously call a “silencer”) are subject to a host of varied and arcane rules for possession and use by civilians, which I won’t go further into here, except to note that they are NOT what is covered by the 1994 so-called “Assault Weapons Ban.” THAT actually restricted weapons which are generally LESS powerful and deadly than, and identical in general function to, the average hunting rifle.
“rifle, or whatever other than a rifle to hunt with? ”
Actually, I personally don’t hunt. However, the Second Amendment isn’t ABOUT hunting, despite various politicians’ efforts to claim such. It’s about me, and your neighbors, and tens of millions of other harmless, peaceable citizens having the RIGHT to own firearms for any lawful purpose whatsoever.
“Why would you need to buy more than one gun a month? ”
Because I have enough money to do so this month? Because I want to give one as a gift and get one for myself? Because I CAN? “Need” doesn’t apply. It’s my RIGHT.
“To match your shoes? Your bright orange vest? Why?”
Well, for me at least, firearms aren’t accessories – if anything, I’d consider clothing to be the accessory in that particular case. But me, I buy firearms for FUNCTION, not because they’d go nicely with my watch.
I’m sure there are those who do, however – and that’s their right, too.
“Im not bringing The Founders into this cause I was born about 200 years after they all died. I cant speak for them, so Im not going to.”
Too bad – because between the Constitution and all the supporting writings of theirs which are readily available online, it’s really quite easy to see that the Founders were ARDENT fans of civilian firearms ownership – as long as you aren’t deliberately trying to misinterpret what any 8 year old could understand, at least.
“What I can speak for, is the living document they left behind. They left it living because they knew, times would change, and that document would have to be augmented and updated.”
Yup – and there’s a PROCESS for that, which is being IGNORED by those attempting to violate the Second Amendment. Presumably because they know they could never push an actual Amendment through to undo the Second, so they hope no one will notice that everything they suggest is in fact ILLEGAL ON IT’S FACE.
“But the REAL point of everything Ive stated went right over your head: The
president cant just take your guns away.”
No, that did NOT go over my head, actually – I simply took issue with a number of your other (wildly-incorrect) talking points, and did not address that part. Seemed to me as though it fell under the “damning with faint praise” header anyways…
“The supreme court can.”
Debatable. They can undo (or, perhaps now, COULD HAVE UNDONE – it would be more difficult now, after ‘Heller’, I think) the official governmental recognition of our right to have firearms – they could NOT change what our rights actually ARE, because the Constitution and Bill Of Rights don’t GRANT rights, they PROTECT them. Semantics? Perhaps to some. Me, I think it’s an important difference.
“And from what Ive read, heard, and witnessed, no one is trying to take your guns away.”
Ah, not familiar with Barack Obama’s actual record on the issue, I see – nor with the history of the Democratic Party, either. Not what he, and they, CLAIM their record and position are, mind you – what their actual ACTIONS are, how they’ve voted over the years, the people they’ve associated with and taken money from.
Not that the Republicans are enormously better on that score; they’re a LITTLE better, though not much.
I think that, at the present moment, both parties see the victim-disarmament issue as an issue that can only hurt them, so they downplay and gloss over and try to deny what they’ve actually done in favor of what they think will garner them a few more votes. Given past efforts, though, I am not convinced that the grabbers have truly changed their ways, and there is a lot of truth to the old saying, “The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.” Part of that is speaking up when people say things that are either incorrect or are outright lies to try and help keep things from getting worse, which is what I’m doing here. Funny, really, because I don’t usually read this far into the Comments sections of the pics – just happened to catch your comment, and could not let it go unanswered.
I could probably go on (and on, and on, and on…) further, but I think I’ll wrap up here, if you don’t mind.
I will skip my rant and simply say… Well put and I agree.
Eric,
You just owned, man. The part I MOST agreed with (I agreed with all of it, no offense,
Maxwell, your points were taken, but Eric’s were better, even if I didn’t agree with them) was the part about the Constitution, et al, not GRANTING rights but PROTECTING them. Important distinction indeed, semantics notwithstanding.
All told, a great post, and one that makes me glad that I read this far down. And btw, I’m STILL upset over Ron Paul not getting the nomination, and/or the win. That’s a man that could have done something for us. All of us.
We are not ALLOWED guns, they be ours…the government can’t unreasonably interfere with out rights in this area.
Poor phrasing of words perhaps. But I hope you understand what I mean.
I still support him!!! Totally a write-in vote for me, stupid stupid mainstream media conspiracy machine grrrrr
Ron Paul supporters – making Democrats and Republicans look sane since they saw a youtube video about him.
LOL!!
I agree that this is a very sad picture. Poor Ron Paul, he looks so lost and alone. I actually liked him the best out of at the Republican candidates, but I thought some of his ideas like withdraw from the U.N. crossed into Loony Land. Still, I’m glad I support Obama and can, for the first time in my voting life, vote for a candidate that I have some real hope for and confidence in.
I do think that third party candidates should really get more attention, and I think that in part it’s a media bias thing, and in part I think third party candidates really need to start small and work their way into prominence. Not that that applies to Ron Paul, who didn’t even run as a third party.
we are america, we dont need to answer to the un, or nato. we are a free and sovereign nation that needs to take care of itself and bring its military home to protect itself from foreign invasions. we dont need to government to protect the people either tho. the government failed us on september 11th, so what did we do? we allowed the government to have more power over us. how does that make any sense? the un wants to take away our gun rights anyways, so why should the people trust them?
this pic is obviously him getting ready to be interviewed. tho i will say that it does make me sad to see the room so empty and the caption so critical. i too and all of my friends will be writing in doctor paul, tho there is a chance i will be voting for chuck baldwin who is pauls good friend. but i am still set on writing in dr. paul.
Poor Ron Paul *hugz*
90% of you are brainwashed sheep. Ron Paul is right on almost every single issue. Do your homework and talk to some non westerners and you’ll realize your an idiot.
Wow – way to change everyone’s image of Ron Paul supporters. Try decaf?
- a Ron Paul supporter
Once again, agreed.
It’s sort of like the extremist Apple fans (disclosure: I’m an AVID Apple product user, but not a rabid “Bill Gates must suffer to his last breath” extremist) making the rest of us look like lunatics anytime someone, through ignorance or malice, says something bad about Apple, Steve Jobs, or Apple products, and these people absolutely FLY OFF THE FREAKING HANDLE, and start hurling insults and loudly questioning the parentage of the person saying these things.
I know that doesn’t have much to do with the discussion at hand, but I was just pointing out the similarities. Most Apple fans (myself included) are not nut jobs who scream and yell every time someone says they like something else, and neither are Ron Paul supporters (again, like me).
I fear for us all. While McCain’s nothing to align with either, I am terrified of the neo-socialism Obama will enact as president.
America WAS the greatest social experiment of all mankind. It’s founding fathers and brothers were careful enough to craft our constitution so that it COULD be amended if and when needed, and trusted our futures to the same kind of good judgment they had. How misplaced that trust has been.
Ron Paul, and those REAL Republicans who agree with his positions, those who embody the TRUE meaning of the term and not what it has been bastardized to be known as in the last several decades, is as close to the founding fathers were in his philosophies as any politician in modern times. Even through ALL of the misinformation, ignorance, bias, avoidance, and LIES purpetrated by the media and populous throughout his run for the presidency, I never heard ANYONE say his alliance with those ideals as a bad thing.
Voting for the lesser of two evils is farce. Evil is still evil. By doing so you’re really voting for the evil of two lessers. My write-in absentee ballot has already been cast for Dr. Paul.
*dances* God I love that song too.