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Yeah, I feel this way too – every time I watch the value of my 401k take a dive!!
No wonder they don’t let us open the windows.
You know what your problem is? You need to shit or get off the pot.
I get it!
SALSA SHARK …
we’re gonna need a bigger boat
Me neither.
I feel his pain. I’ve lost over $40,000 since last Monday. This market is killing us all whether we know it or not.
I don’t even make that in a year – before taxes. I’m not bitter, I just like to make that point to people who say things like this.
it’d be nice if i’d had that much to lose… no sympathy.
i don’t make that much in a year either. this is the money that i am supposed to retire on. guess i’ll just have to work until i die.
Then work some more.
This is gonna sound weird, but:
Once I figure out how to do the paperwork I’m gonna try to auction off my body parts to various medical facilities so when I die, instead of burying me I just get sliced up and shipped off for science (on those NOT still alive). Then in the place of my casket just place a keg and have a good ol’ party on my tab.
Hey, I don’t need the bodyparts at that point, might as let somebody else get a use out of them.
Too bad it is illegal in most countries to sell any parts of your body.
That should be a ‘my body my choice’ argument if there ever was one
Ohhh…retirement – that’s different.
No worries – we’ll elect Obama and he’ll make sure that no matter how much debt the country is in, everyone will have retirement. After all, we’re American and we’re entitled to it, right?.. wait…. You ARE American, RIGHT??!?!
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.. lol.
Has no worries there lieut. obvious,
Obama will take away all the rest and you get to be poor Just Like Everyone Else, (except for the Elite Leader Types & Their Buddies).
I love how brazen you guys are. The evidence sitting in front of your face is that Republicans are the ones who do this. Statistics show that everyone who isn’t a well connected political crony does better under Democratic leadership. Democratic leadership provides real opportunity for American citizens, Republican leadership provides no-bid contracts for the well-connected. Nice try at reversing the truth, though, too bad no one is buying it except the hard core loony right, who would probably believe the world is flat if that is what their Glorious Leaders tell them.
And clearly didn’t read either the discussion below about share of burden or the one about how trickle-down really works.
minerva146
October 9th, 2008 at 8:17 am
And no, before anybody says that’s socialist or a redistribution of wealth or something, I don’t mean take from the rich and redistribute it. I mean is everybody should pay a similar SHARE into or greater well-being for the nation. If you make $10,000,000 you still have $7 million left instead of $28,000 left from the guy making $40,000
etc. etc. etc. …
See, that’s the problem with betting in the world’s only 24/7/365 floating casino and crap game…
Sympathy? Nope. None here…
“There you go trying to pass the buck. I’m the source of all your misery. Who closed the store to play hockey? Who closed the store to go to a wake? Who tried to win back his ex girlfriend without even discussing how he felt with his present one? You wanna blame somebody? Blame yourself. “I’m not even supposed to be here today.”
Ouch… Harsh. Probably true but harsh.
Yeah. As the caption is a Clerks reference, I pulled a line that used the caption quote that sounded relevant. (Sadly)
Ah, meaning I need to watch the movie to appreciate it all. Damn.
Yes. It’s quite twistedly funny… and has Star Wars references!
they all do. I’m from Jersey so I have a soft spot for View Askew
Yeah, I’ve seen ‘em all.
LOL, also relevant line.
(For some reason my posts are wickedly delayed. I think I’m having server issues.)
It’s because you cussed in the post, actually. It’s funny about that.
maybe that’s true. I edited the curse from the first part of the line I pasted as it didn’t add to the overall line.
it was easy as it was at the beginning, unlike much of Kevin Smith’s lines, generously sprinkled cursing throughout
Ya, I am really annoyed with the profanity policing…
You might very well enjoy Clerks then as well as the other Kevin Smith movies. There id definitely NO profanity policing in them.
I was fond of Dogma but haven’t had the urge to watch Clerks. The Jay and Silent Bob characters just don’t appeal to me.
You can do it, but first you need a large dose of Subtle.
Actually Jay & Bob are only on the fringe of Clerks.
Sounds like that would work.
They’re on the fringe of all of them EXCEPT for Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, and we all know how that one turned out…
Am I the only one who laughed all the way through Jay and Silent Bob? I admit it was pretty dumb, but that didn’t diminish my enjoyment of it. Much.
Well, Jay I don’t care for, but I love Silent Bob, how can you not?
I give, you got me there. Silent Bob is awesome.
Lunchbox is a great character… and a great writer, and a great actor.
Not to mention he is one of the nicest and funniest guys you’ll ever
meet. The only reason I say this is because he was extremely down
to earth and funny when I met him.
Lucky you.
This makes me just want to go home but the gears still need their cogs to keep moving and my family has to eat.
*facepalm*
This will probably start an argument, but as it’s relevant to the current economic crisis in terms of cause/effect. Here’s John McCain on Deregulation.
keatingeconomics.com
Neither Obama or McCain have a clue how to fix it.
You’re right. No one has a fix all. However, Obama’s plan is more like the New Deal, which DID eventually get us out of the Great depression. The larger point of the video shows that McCain has always been part of the problem, not the solution. He was actually in trouble for his involvement with Keating and got out of it because he sang about his cronies. CNN analyzed this mini-documentary and found it to be true.
In any case, McCain WAS reprimanded by the Senate Ethics Committee for poor judgment.
All politicians = poor judgment. At least, the successful ones anyway. The point being, neither one knows what the flying fark to do about it anytime soon. It’s like trying to grab a crank that spinning out of control. You can try and grab it, but it will just knock your hands right back out because it’s just spinning too fast.
The problem with the New Deal is it gave us Welfare. Do we really need that bureaucratic mess revisited? If you want to implement the Works Progress Administration (WPA) again, then you have a viable workforce in all those who are receiving Welfare. Personally, I don’t see where Obama’s plan has any more merit the McCain’s.
The current plan amounts to welfare for the rich. Privatize profit, nationalize risk. Voted on by both sides after it was stuffed with enough greasy, greasy pork. I know I keep harping on the class warfare thing, but come on! That’s what the rich are doing: buying up politicians and getting policies enacted that amount to welfare for themselves. We’ll feel the pain of this craptastic economic mess, but they won’t. We’ll have to feel our pain, and the pain they should be feeling, bu aren’t, because they forced us to bail them out.
Yes, welfare for the rich. I think that’s a fair assessment. The middle class winds up paying anywhere from 25% to 35% or maybe more of their gross income when you consider income tax, property tax, sometimes separate school taxes, state and local sales tax, but the wealthy pay a much smaller percentage. Not fair burden distribution.
And no, before anybody says that’s socialist or a redistribution of wealth or something, I don’t mean take from the rich and redistribute it. I mean is everybody should pay a similar SHARE into or greater well-being for the nation. If you make $10,000,000 you still have $7 million left instead of $28,000 left from the guy making $40,000
Actually, the rich benefit far more from society’s services than do the poor. Who benefits most from a stable economy? Who do the police help first? Who’s property is the army protecting? Who’s businesses benefit most from the public infrastructure? Who’s interests do the laws really serve?
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“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.” — Anatole France
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The rich should pay MORE than the rest of us, because they get more of the benefit.
Yes, I know I was oversimplifying. *sigh* Maybe I was just being idealis?? lol
I’d really just settle to something nearing equal burden though. In reality, it’s the best we can hope for, and that’s if we’re lucky. You hear how they scream “redistribution of wealth” if you just SUGGEST they pay a little more than what they do now or, god forbid, repeal the tax breaks they’ve already gotten.
Thank you for pointing that bit out. I’m sick of people complaining about the idea of taxing the wealthy. Although the ratio may differ between classes, the price of a loaf of bread does not. A gallon of 2% store-brand milk costs the same for me, Warren Buffet and Jimmy Buffet. It takes a larger percentage of my money, though.
Indeed! And they act like it’s unfair to be taxed just a teensy bit more. You won’t notice it when you still have more money in the end than everyone else.
Nearly one third of all Americans think they are earning in the top ten percent. Is it any wonder they vote against their own interests, and for the interests of the rich? The whole ‘American Dream’ is a con invented by the rich to make people think that anyone can be rich. The current estimate is that it takes at least five generations, on average, for a family to move from poor to middle class. Social mobility is a joke, a rare occurrence like winning the lottery. But believes it, and they think it will happen to them. So they vote against the interests of themselves and people like them, and for the interests of a group of people dominated by sociopaths.
Of course, that’s not to say moving up in the world is impossible. So long as you are able to get an education in a field that is projected to greatly expand, then you shouldn’t have much trouble getting a well-paying job. Couple that with some money-sense and possibly a little investment-sense, and you have a good shot at sitting pretty. But that hinges on being able to pay for the education to begin with, which is what holds a lot of people back, sadly enough.
Yes, it’s possible. Look at the guy in “The Pursuit of Happyness.” Also, Tom Golisano built Paychex from like $100 or something. (He mostly knows where he came from and does a lot of philanthropic stuff now) But this kind of phenomenon is increasingly rare. Not because people aren’t willing to work for it either. Even just a college education is becoming harder and harder to obtain.
Point well made. And before anyone says that it’s just a movie, it is really a true story. Of course, I’m sure you knew that, hence why you brought it up. It is possible, just hard to do, for sure. You don’t even need to be on top of the world to be considered as successful as I’m talking about. That top 10% bracket can’t be ALL entrepreneurs, right?
I HAVE a college education, and right now I’d settle for not being repeatedly laid off so I can scrape past borderline poverty line for crying out loud.
Does that college education follow my aforementioned guidelines of “in a field that is projected to greatly expand” and is coupled with “money-sense and possibly a little investment-sense”? A college education alone doesn’t cut – there are plenty of other factors, such as what major, what college, and related jobs prospective outlook.
Not to say I don’t feel bad for your situation, mind you. I do hope you can find a stable job.
No, that’s alright. not “in a field that is projected to greatly expand”. Guidance counselors never tell you you picked the wrong major. Now I can’t afford to go back to school. Although, my degree IS similar to Sarah Palin’s. Maybe I can be vice-president. lol.
I didn’t mean to start a big whine. The point was that if I invested in higher education, I ought to at least be able to find A decently paying job, even if I am not making $1 million. Otherwise, why spend 4 years beyond high school studying ANYTHING? I think this has gotten a little off topic, but I guess winds up emphasizing the point. If a college education doesn’t even guarantee a JOB for our young people, what does that say about pursuing the American dream?
Yeah, you could hope that they would, but they set you up for failure instead. It’s a lot of promoting whatever you say you plan on doing.
It doesn’t help your future prospects mind you, but that’s what they do anyway. You would think you could get at least a decently paying job. Though, I suppose not all majors are really geared for that sort of thing, sadly.
My mother always used to say the only steady work is as an obstetrician and an undertaker.
I’ve bookmarked this discussion – isn’t it wonderful to have thoughtfulness and clear reasoned points. Whaddya think, eds? You seem rational.
True, but I don’t really want either of those jobs, sooo…. I have to keep working on it.
Yes. I stuck around this site because people seem to be able to have intelligent discussions without denigrating into name calling, etc. with the exception of a few.
Who becomes a guidance counselor anyway?
Somebody who failed to reach their own goal I suppose, if you want the mean and probably untrue answer.
I just find it very interesting that I finished one year of college
and now work for a freight company. Im making just over 2K
more a year, than my mother. Who got a Master’s to become
a teacher. Anyone else see a problem with that?
I do. As a teacher, I want to encourage all my kids to go on to college, or at least follow their own educational path as far as they can. I look around my area and know that the people working at the paper mill (who are my age and didn’t go to college) make about as much as I do and they aren’t still paying off student loans. I’m satisfied with the choices I’ve made, but I won’t mislead students or my own kids about going to college so they can make the big bucks. I tell them to do what they love and to get all the education they want and THEN have kids!!
One of the best ways to get a revolution that sticks is to SERIOUSLY piss off the middle classes.
I live in hope…
Welfare was always meant to be a TEMPORARY pick up to get families on their feet. Unfortunately, there has been much abuse in the system, with some people practically becoming professionals at using loopholes to stay on the program much longer (even permanently) than the restrictions allow. In theory, it’s a good program. You just need to find ways to make sure it only is used as intended. To keep families from starving and with some kind of housing so they can work.
That said, I don’t think anybody is advocating expanding welfare. Investing in things like green services, infrastructure improvements, etc. will do much to create a stronger workforce that can not be outsourced abroad. John McCain has none of this in his plan, as he primarily wants to keep giving tax breaks to big business and hope that it trickles down. Thad doesn’t work. if it did, We would have seen a net increase in jobs now after Bush’s tax breaks for the wealthy, instead of the huge loss we’ve seen.
That’s getting a little off topic though. The whole Keating thing emphasizes that deregulation hurts America. McCain was tied closely into the whole fraud and apparently hasn’t learned anything since. His first speech after this crisis broke was that we need more deregulation.
Well I won’t go into the depth that Seth just did but currently McCain is for welfare for the rich… Flaws taken into account, I would still prefer welfare stay for the poor instead.
I can’t argue with you there. There’s so much going on right now, though, it’s hard to keep up with who’s for what.
Check out the link in my name. The little documentary is 13 minutes, but it”s worth it. McCain has ALWAYS been for deregulation which got us into this mess to begin with. I know people are going to say it’s propagandizing, but CNN even back it up as fact. It’s extremely relevant when looking at these Candidates. I know no one has a perfect plan, but McCain will only exacerbate the issue as he still firmly believes in deregulation.
There is that and the fact that his campaign is firmly trying to steer away from discussing the economy and he himself stated earlier this year that the campaign wasn’t about the issues.
That on its own took my vote away from him. There is nothing but the issues, that is what being President is about.
Yes, and Obama has at least tried to stay on the issues. Nobody’s perfect, but at least a strong effort is there to make the election about what is important to the people.
Or at the very least, he hasn’t come out directly and told us that he isn’t going to care about the issues since they don’t matter.
“This will probably start an argument, but…”
PROBABLY?
I’m thirty-seven!?
(That ought to become the new “nawt first”.)
Although, 42 is the answer to Life, The Universe, and Everything.
Douglas Adams 1952-2001
… Well, I can’t very well call you “man”
Well, you could say `Dennis’.
Dennis
I feel no different.
Maybe it would help to say it a few more times?
Dennis Dennis Dennis Dennis
*pauses 30 seconds to test the effect*
NOPE!
Still the same, Seth lied.
Ahhhh, I was responding to x-bert’s quote of Monty Python’s Quest for the Holy Grail with the next line. And it goes a little something like this:
ARTHUR: Old woman!
DENNIS: Man!
ARTHUR: Old Man, sorry. What knight live in that castle over there?
DENNIS: I’m thirty seven.
ARTHUR: What?
DENNIS: I’m thirty seven — I’m not old!
ARTHUR: Well, I can’t just call you `Man’.
DENNIS: Well, you could say `Dennis’.
ARTHUR: Well, I didn’t know you were called `Dennis.’
DENNIS: Well, you didn’t bother to find out, did you?
I need to get that series on DVD!!!
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Damn, after I can afford to LIVE this month.
Ack! Random quote-topic shift!
BERSERKER.
My love for you is ticking clock….
Did he just say “making f*ck?”
Bunch of savages in this town.
What smells like shoe polish?
Thanks for the Clerks references
And the best quote!
“You know, there’s a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don’t all bring you lasagna at work. Most of ‘em just cheat on you. “