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How dare they have a brain!
well it would be nice if they each had one
I think what he was trying to say, is that they all collectively have a single brain… like a hive mind.
This makes a lot more sense.
Obama has done nothing for America, period.
He contributed to its economy by buying things from US retailers, that may ahve been supplied by US wholesalers, and possibly made by US producers.
In fact something near 300 million people have contributed to the US in this way.
HE HASN’T HAD A CHANCE.
Captain Obvious signing off.
How long would Mcain last? Seriously? And then you’d have Palin… Obama really is the better candidate.
Thou Shalt Not Question Thy Messiah , eh ?. Niiiiice!.
But it’s OK to dictate to people who counts as a “Real American” and who doesn’t.
Agreed. How tolerant.
The Real Americans (c) don’t even need to vote, Sarah’s confident that God is going to decide the outcome of the election. I thought the US was a democracy? How come God gets to decide? Is he even an American citizen?
Well, even if he wasn’t, he will still get a social security card! Go Obama…not.
He won’t need to speak English at all, either. Ah yes, Obama lessening the spine of America one speech right after another.
No, America is a constitutional republic, not a democracy – the difference is huge and important.
If Sarah Palin believes that God will decide the outcome of the election, it shouldn’t bother you at all – unless you also believe that and are afraid of the outcome. Otherwise, we should all be tolerant of other people’s beliefs, shouldn’t we?
Is someone actually “dictating” who gets to be a “Real American”, or is someone just expressing their opinion? You’re not afraid of a diversity of opinions, are you?
That is SPIN right there folks. True, but spin.
It’s some expressing a vile, divisive and anti-American opinion, as is claiming that God decides who controls the United States. She’s free to do it, just like she’s been free to say all of the disgusting and/or hillarious things she’s said which have handed Obama the election on a plate.
Did God put Clinton in power for 8 years?
Yes, so what’s your point?
According to Christianity, God gave us free will. It was this free will that elected Clinton, right?
And Reagan for eight years, and Bush for eight years….
Um… free will didn’t elect Bush for eight years, crooked elections did.
Yes, but those that rigged the election exercised free will to do so.
You’re saying the same thing I’m saying, only in a different way
I am of the opinion that we deserve what we ask for, whether that’s good or bad.
Thank you for admitting that your initial statement was incorrect and that she was just expressing an opinion and not actually ‘dictating’ anything to anybody. It takes a great deal of courage to publicly admit you were wrong.
BTW, you might want to work on that tolerance. Remember, the Left has said that all opinions are valid and we shouldn’t be judgmental. Also, one can’t go around calling someone else (or there opinion), anti-American. You may have to turn in your ACLU membership card for that one.
Oh boo-hoo, poor little persecuted you. A politician saying that only some Americans are ‘Real Americans” is an insult to the USA, a disgusting thing for anyone to say. I’m not being tolerant of such bile just because your bottom lip is wobbling.
He was born in Hawaii. he spent the largest portion of his life in America. He’s American born, and the only ties he had to his Muslim father (as if this should even be an ISSUE) was gone when he was 2. He saw his father ONCE in his whoooole life, from the time he was two, on. He’s just as American as you.
Yet his pastor spouts ant-American crap for 20 years and he doesn’t give a damn.
He pals around with terrorists who target government buildings and expresses pride about this on 9/11.
His wife wasn’t proud to be American til Barack got elected because that’s all that matters.
His birth certificate isn’t being question. His beliefs and views are.
Saying the exact phrase “pals around with terrorists” means you bought the right wing spin, hook line and sinker.
exactly, thank you.
But I grew up in Indonesia with a Muslim Stepfather and went to mosque there !
Actually, you grew up in Honolulu, had an Atheist stepfather, and were raised in a largely Atheistic house, finding no use for religion yourself, either.
God, Obama… If you can’t even get your facts straight, maybe I won;t vote for you after all! ;D
Oh, and you went to college in Indonesia, but spent most of your adult life in Chicago. and there was no mosques. ::smack:: Get yer shit straight! It’s go time, yo!
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No – I really did grow up in Indonesia and went to mosque there ! Didn’t you read my book ? What fools I have for Obamatrons !
I see Obamas previous experience of visiting mosques as a plus point in terms of being President of the USA – why do those following the Straight Talk Express Straight Off A Cliff keep bringing it up? Have they not got anything they can actually use AGAINST him?
I KNOW… I’m not getting this either! God forbid someone doesn’t follow the drone path. Isn’t this America, or am I mistaken?
Look, if they didn’t cut and splice anything and everything that his pastor said, if you went and watched the whole thing without the biased ‘spin’, you would probably agree with a lot of what he said. I know *I* educated myself on his pastor, as well as him, AND Mccain.
He expressed pride with being affiliated with a group that did everything they could to better the community and environment. What Mcveigh did was not an expression of Obama, or even the group. If Obama did the BOMBINGS, I would not vote for him.
His wife was born & raised in America, and is about American as you can get. Where did she express Anti-American values? I haven’t seen that yet, and I’ve been following this whole campaign. anyone else see that?
And Mccain wants to not only keep our troops away from their families, he wants to send them to another war. do you really think a draft is far away? Is this what you really want?
kudos, there are too few people who actually do the research to back up their opinions.
God bless it, I said McVeigh, didn’t I? **DOH!!**
Hmm, has someone influential in your life ever had an opinion that others might not agree with? I bet so and that makes you guilty by association! Puh-leaze. There are many things I like about this country. There are many things I absolutely hate about this country, too. Voicing disdain doesn’t make one unpatriotic and it’s not treason. Good grief.
I totally agree. I just don’t like the smell of bullshit. At least make it the truth.
But there are other ways to voice disdain other than “God d*mn America!”
Basically the extremeness of his statements makes everyone cringe.
If he were to say “lets fix this,” or “We, as a country, are wrong on this,” nobody would have made a stink about it.
I definitely agree with you on that one. his extremism made me cringe, too.
Sometimes, you have to scream to be heard.
So true. And his pastor has a right to be angry, and even to express it. It’s what america IS.
Unless you’re a Republican- then we tell you to STFU!!!!!
That only happens when they come in here spouting a repeat of today’s topic on Rush and then throw a few names and insults in for good measure as though they weren’t the same thing in the first place.
Well, I’m conservative (more or less), and registered Repub,
and yes, I do listen to Rush. BUT, I don’t consider any of the above to be worthy of a religion, nor do I believe in them as such.
I know that sometimes shock value is needed to make a point, but things can go too far.
Here’s something to think of, if he wasn’t that bad of a role model, why did Obama denounce that church?
We had a conversation about this the other day, and several of us criticized the fact that the threw him under the bus.
Do you really think the “shock value” of Rush is neede? The man’t a blatent racist and a proven liar. I’m ok with listening to a preferred side of the issues, but people lie him brainwash a whole sector of the poulation that is either too gullible or to stupid to take it with an open mind and to do their own research if something seems “off.” You should at least “air out the linens”, so to speak, and listen to something like Ed Shultz(as one example). He’s pretty moderate in my eyes, though he says he’s progressive, and lets anybody who calls in have their say unless you act like an angry talking point bot. He’s a little too moderate for my personal taste, but he’s interesting, so I listen now and again.
Ok, I have to ask. As much as i dislike Rush ( He was interesting in the mid to late 90′s but is mostly a gasbag these days ) can you give us a couple examples of his “blatent racism” because I have never heard of him saying anything racist.
How about Barack the magic negro song, in the tune of Puff the magic dragon? That’s jut the tip of the iceberg at least for the last few years. He has really turned into a caricature of himself.
That song was an offshoot of a liberal blog calling Barack that. Rush may take something and run with it, but he’s not blantantly racist.
Rush was crying about how the Powell nomination had *everything* to do with race. I can’t remember the full of his tirade, but to assume Ombama endorsements are cut down racial lines may not be racist per se, but they are at least racially predisposed.
Racially predisposed I’ll give you, but Carlos Mencia, Dave Chappelle, and George Lopez are that. Rush has a thing he likes to use called ‘illustrating absurdity by being absurd’. You can take that as you will, but it amounts to him going over the top about things to illustrate the idiocy of the argument to begin with. I like Rush. Whether I agree with everything he says is up for debate, but I like him. He’s fun to listen to
Um, huh? My friend indicates that he’d like to see people in the Pentagon die and I have another drink with him? and another? No! I run as fast as I can.
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/obama.asp
Read these… hell read the WHOLE politics section of Snopes, and check some of their references while you’re at it. Have an informed opinion for once in you your life.
Oh… wait… all the crap on Snopes is just going to be more lies and spin toto you huh? You know… since none of it came out of Senator McAlzheimer’s or GOP Barbie’s mouth huh?
Also, you want to talk about OBAMA having a crazy pastor?
Why don’t you try growing a brain (and hopefully an opinion) of your own, rather than regurgitating the same old spin from the Right Wing spin machine…
well… then why the hell would he title his book ‘dreams of my father?’ his father means something to him, its obvious
Wow, what a novel concept. Dreaming of a father you never knew. Or even him meaning something to you. Gosh, you’re right. Obama MUST be a terrorist. Logical conclusion, of course.
My father was a drunken polygamist who abandoned me. What dreams ?
If he can’t show up for court, I’m sure he can’t cast a deciding vote in an election.
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95774693
Jesus was a palestinian (wasn’t he?)
the whole ‘real’ america thing is terrifying. and I’m in australia.
What makes me laugh is that people think that God would care. Now maybe I’m a bit biased because I’m an atheist, or non-theist, or secular humanist, take your pick of ists, but surely their God who is so involved with everything is a bit busy with everything else? you know running the universe? I obviously just Don’t Get It.
I love Pundit Kitchen. You’re all so eloquent and funny…
C’mon, everybody knows Jesus was a liberal Jew! LOL
In bed.
Jesus was a religious extremist who lead an armed group of followers in an attack on defenseless worshipers who were legally trying to change their money in the temple.
Are explosives the only difference between that and a terrorist?
Don’t make me smack you
And yet what he said is true.
Isn’t either. You’re going to have to show me where what he said is true, and I’ll actually tell you the story and correct you
Don’t debate Biblical stories to me, I can actually get you there! 
Are Gnostic gospels, Nag Hammadi, and heretical texts allowed? Or are we sticking to straight cannon?
PortlandMark is only half-right: JHC did advocate a strong hand, and he did flip out at the moneychangers, but he didn’t attack innocents.
froofrou- ever seen “Last Temptation of Christ”?
HERESY!
(seriously, why does it say you are on my friend list and say I’ve sent you a request, and also say you haven’t any friends?)
Herb, just straight cannon here. I’ll freely admit to not being as versed on the Gnostic gospels as I should be. Although I believe that Josephus corroborates the story?
The reason that Jesus went in and drove the money changers out is because they were misusing the Temple. The story has to be taken in context. And yes, He did get pretty pissed and chase them out with a whip. Taken in historical context, however, He was probably pretty tame considering what He could have done
And no, I haven’t seen it, but I believe I’ve read the book. But it was a long time ago. I need to read it again.
Have you read ‘A Case For Christ’?
“Have you read ‘A Case For Christ’?”
I have that misfortune. Basically, it’s well researched pap by a man who selected his sources such that there was only one possible out come…
Good for convincing retards about the myth of Christ, or pandering to a preconception.
I gave my copy to a Priest friend of mine, who finds that sort of thing amusing rather than irritating.
foofrou: you’re making my point. One person’s religious extremist is another person’s messiah. I’m sure, when news of his attack got out at the time, no one said “Oh, it’s okay, he’s the leader of the world’s next big religion.”
Still my favorite bible story… *holds up the Issue Beatings sign for my platform*
Mah-ah temple should be… a house of prayah…
but you have made it a den of thieves!
Get out! GET OUT!!! – Jesus Christ Superstar
Jesus was not a liberal in any sense of the word, he would not have said things like “Go and sin no more”. He would have said “Go and do what feels good to you”. There is a huge difference.
Jesus was an Israelite Jew from Bethlehem.
Jesus was a gay black hippie Jew.
Nah, he was an illegal immigrant with a lowrider who tagged the biggest cross west of the Mississippi (along I-40 in OK/TX), on his way to steal jobs from GOP Congressmen in the cornbelt.
He did? F*cking jesus!
Oh man… Im so going to hell…
Yes I am!
4 good things in one? AWESOME!
I know he was jewish… jeeez – but Bethlehem is in what has been palestine for many years… I was just pointing out the irony of some public view of jesus as basically white, when he wasn’t really
Or say the mormons who think he was from the US…
and of course he was an Israelite, Israelites are the entire hebrew population
Israel itself is only about 50 years old anyway.
Wasn’t Bethlehem, Nazareth etc all under Roman rule anyway at the time?
a la life of brian?
Anyway if you have to explain it it’s not funny, so i should say sorry.
Depending on who you ask, the answer could well be “yes”.
Why is it that if you believe in god you’re an idiot? Why don’t you ask Obama if he’s a citizen….you might be surprised with the answer. I really like Sara I’ve been shocked at how mean and small minded liberals are. We need to rename the feminist movement to “liberal democtates who happen to be women” if you are a conservative and a women you don’t get any respect or praise just critisizm. Only liberal women are wonderful and great and insiprational and the funny thing is that liberals preach tolerance and diversity…I guess it’s only on thier terms. Where’s the tolerance? I don’t see republicans wearing mean and hateful tee shirts that refer to Michelle O. But there sure are plenty of mean Sara shirts…Can’t you have some class?
Why might I be surprised if I asked Sen. Obama his citizenship? He was born in the state of Hawai’i, which last I checked was still a part of the United States. That would make him a native-born citizen, suzie, whether you like it or not.
Interestingly enough, John Sydney McCain was born in Panama. While on base, he’s a natural-born citizen, but nobody has verified if it means the sam thing, as the Constitution specifically words the requirement “native-born”.
Belief in God isn’t needed to prove idiocy; there are just a terrible number of theistic idiots. (A fair number of atheistic idiots too.)
In regards to being born outside of the U.S., the law says that a child born abroad to two U.S. citizen parents acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). One of the parents MUST have resided in the U.S. prior to the child’s birth. No specific period of time for such prior residence is required. I would think if he wan’t considered ‘native-born’ he would be disqualified from running for President (which would happen if Arnold Schwarzenegger wanted to run.)
There are plenty of anti-Sarah shirts because she’s given the world plenty of mean things to say…she’s like that person in class that when they talk you cringe and think to yourself, “is this person really in college? are they really this unintelligent? nooo….well, yeah.” it’s hard to actually insult someone unless there’s some truch behind it. take, for instance, Palin’s stance on feminism: “q: are you a feminist? a: no, i don’t wan’t to be labeled, etc.” next interview “q: are you a feminist? a: well yes. i believe in equal rights for women and whatnot.” is she really a vp candidate? is she really that dumb? nooooo…well, yeah, she is.
it ‘s just too easy to make fun of Sarah Palin, the guardian of America’s northern shore.
mmhmm. I like how they people who hold signs against Obama are “scary” and those self-professing to be rednecks get a hell yeah. What about the others are significantly different to claim them as scary, and what about the rednecks makes them not?
The “scariness” is the deliberate attempt to associate Obama to bin Laden. No one tries to make McCain into Pinochet or Tim MacVeigh; why is it all right to make such an association with the Dem candidate except to spread fear?
EXACTLY…. I’m surprised all these ‘Real Americans’ aren’t catching the association?
You might be surprised what people know or understand–when they use logic. These “rednecks” either know that Obama doesn’t have ties with terrorists (logical answer), or they have been told that he does and haven’t stopped to think about it.
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I’m not trying to open a can of worms, but to me, it’s like the whole global warming debate. It seems like it has been taken as fact, but we just don’t have enough information to know. The earth is Billions of years old, and humans have only been around for a few thousand, and keeping accurate records for much shorter. To me, that’s like trying to identify the type of car by looking only at the intake valve.
Obama has as much of a tie with terrorism as McCain does. Chew on that for a while.
right, and to all the people who give obama crap for associating with acorn, guess what, mccain gave a speech at one of their functions praising them
The ACORN “scandal” is bunk, it’s like calling the police while someone is robbing your house and then being accused of said robbery.
Well, except that Grampy has in fact used explosives to kill civilians. I think he gets the edge there.
Here is the information on ice cores. Still true, still real science. We do have proof of global warming back over 600,000 years. Accurately.
Wow, cobrajoe keeps running away from me each time I try to show this to him. This is the 2nd time.
“proof” of something over 600,000 years? Hm, sure it isn’t 540,699? can anyone really get into believing a “fact” that long ago?
Left vs. Right fight over “facts” from yesterday.
So you’re unfamiliar with math concepts, I see. And obviously didn;’t read the science link.
Because they’re not being ignorant and tying him with word-play with the biggest terrorist of our time. Read the sign again.
Yes, we are in a War on Terror ™ and we’ve had how many years to find Bin Laden? Hmmmmm. Isn’t he the real terror and not the Presidential candidate? But that would mean we take the focus off the fact that we can’t find Bin Laden, wouldn’t it? Hypocracy, party of the GOP.
So these two fellows are now the representatives of the GOP? Really? Are you honestly going to accept the opinion of two obscure people the name’s of whom we don’t even know as the opinion of one of the two largest political parties in all of America? Real smart there.
You will have to include Clinton in that then as well, he couldn’t get him when he tried. But because he couldn’t be found during the Bush administration either it’s now all his fault? Now that’s hypocrisy.
Bush did make sure to evacuate Bin Laden’s family and Saddam’s family right after 9/11 right? So he technically had him but was busy wining and dining with them…
I believe that is an urban legend.
A legend based on facts, though. We did evacuate a lot of Saudis, when no other flights were being allowed. And most of the 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia. Weird, huh?
I rank that up there with his brother being in the state that had the voter “issue”…
Not saying anything definite because I lack proper sources for accusations but I do hate coincidents. I hate them a lot.
*coincidence
Gah my brain can be irritating to deal with at times.
Ok, you’re going to have to prove that one.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B07E5D91038F937A3575AC0A9659C8B63
You do realize of course that Bin Laden’s family have disowned him? But thanks for the citation just the same. I didn’t see any mention of Saddam Hussein’s family though.
But don’t we believe in guilt by association? Or Obama disowning Wright still doesn’t count??
Once again we have both sides using the same arguments to make their points. Can’t we all just slap each other silly and get over it already? And in bed?
@froufrou–mine was sarcastic.
Yeah Eddie, they’ve publicly disowned him. Probably a good move, since they rely on lucrative contracts from the Saudi royals to make their living, and the Saudis have decided their interests lie with Bush.
For now.
I’m sure that doesn’t mean no other BinLadens, or Saudis, for that matter, are funneling money to him.
@ minerva. I know
You know, I almost believe that part about how real Americans don’t believe or utilize word-play, but then I look to the right of the page and see an advertisement for a tee shirt with a picture of Sarah Palin on it with the words “YET ANOTHER BUSH WE CAN’T TRUST” underneath.
I’M GETTING MIXED SIGNALS!
Here- have some KoolAid!
they’re “scary” because they are eligible voters to stupid to see the difference between spin and political mudslinging and actual truth.
obama is NOT a terrorist. he is NOT muslim. for chrissakes, our government has a list of those people, and tend to kick them out of the country/make them disappear, not say “hey, you, terrorist, you’d make a good presidential candidate! here’s some forms…go for it!”
The one who made the quote about “real” Americans was Palin and these are folks from a Republican rally. So, tolerant, no. But, apt, yes.
So they say he is “lyin’”. I wonder what they think he is lying about? The only blatant lie I have heard during this campaign is that Sarah Palin is “ready”. She still doesn’t even know what job she is running for.
I love the fact that McCain is no longer running for President. It’s Obama v. Palin.
But if Palin isn’t ready to be Vice President, how in the world do you figure Obama is ready to be President?
Um, because Obama has dedicated his life to charity, community, human rights and the environment, and everything he’s done has been for our country? Lincoln was just as ‘inexperienced’, and I think that was a Win….
Your Lincoln comparison was debunked a few pictures ago. Lincoln had infinite amounts more experience in government than Obama does. And Obama’s own running mate has said that the presidency is not an on the job training opportunity.
I understand what you’re saying. But exactly how much experience qualifies you for Presidency? I mean, it’s kind of hard to get experience to *be* the president, until you ARE the president. What would satisfy people? He’s dedicated his life to changing not just us ‘Americans’, but the world as a whole. This is what we need.
Maybe he hasn’t had the diversity of Lincoln, but the same dedication of his entire adult life. Maybe he has less experience in positions of political authority, but more in human interaction, more in working towards a better future for people. I think that makes him more qualified to work for the people in office.
Give me some examples of the things he’s done. Cited. And I don’t mean ‘community organizing’ unless you can actually show where he’s helped. The people in the communities he has organized are still poor and struggling , the school systems in the city for which he was organizing in the state in which he was senator are so bad that the kids themselves protested, and he voted ‘present’ in more than half the votes as state senator. And I’m not even going as far as his senate sesrvice in Washington, which isn’t much better. He may have had his name on a few bills, but show me actual legislation that has been sponsered by him that would actually change anything, and show me the committees he has chaired that have actually met since he took over.
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(Seth, for you, *poke*
You know, if I was to cite every little act of charity he’s done, or what qualifications he has, I could be here all day. But here’s a tiny, tiny fraction of all that he’s accomplished. Oh, and please inform me of where you got your information about how the kids he helped wished he didn’t help. I like to educate myself before making a decision, and I’d like to know more about that.
A graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, where he served as president of the Harvard Law Review, Obama worked as a community organizer and practiced as a civil rights attorney before serving three terms in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004. He taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1992 to 2004.
As a member of the Democratic minority in the 109th Congress, he helped create legislation to control conventional weapons and to promote greater public accountability in the use of federal funds. He also made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. During the 110th Congress, he helped create legislation regarding lobbying and electoral fraud, climate change, nuclear terrorism, and care for returned U.S. military personnel.
Obama was hired as director of Developing Communities Project (DCP).
During his three years as the DCP’s director, its staff grew from one to thirteen and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000, with accomplishments including helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants’ rights organization in Altgeld Gardens.
Obama directed Illinois’ Project Vote from April to October 1992, a voter registration drive with a staff of ten and seven hundred volunteers; it achieved its goal of registering 150,000 of 400,000 unregistered African-Americans in the state, and led to Crain’s Chicago Business naming Obama to its 1993 list of “40 under Forty” powers to be.
Obama was a founding member of the board of directors of Public Allies in 1992. (Public Allies is an American non-profit, largely taxpayer-funded organization, dedicated to youth leadership development.)
He served from 1993 to 2002 on the board of directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago. (The Woods Fund of Chicago is a philanthropic organization devoted to poverty relief and the promotion of social mobility. It as an offshoot of the Woods Charitable Fund. The fund describes itself as “a grantmaking foundation whose goal is to increase opportunities for less advantaged people and communities in the metropolitan area, including the opportunity to shape decisions affecting them. The foundation works primarily as a funding partner with nonprofit organizations. Woods supports nonprofits in their important roles of engaging people in civic life, addressing the causes of poverty and other challenges facing the region, promoting more effective public policies, reducing racism and other barriers to equal opportunity, and building a sense of community and common ground.”) **You don’t have to like when I say that the Woods Fund of Chicago is an honorable organization, but
you can’t argue with all the things that it has done.
and also from 1994 to 2002 on the board of directors of The Joyce Foundation.
**Programs
* Education: Focuses on public schools in Chicago, Cleveland, and Milwaukee; concentrates on teacher quality, early childhood education, and “innovations,” primarily charter schools, small schools, and similar initiatives.
* Employment: Focuses on workforce development, education, and job training for low-income workers.
* Environment: Concentrates on environmental issues affecting the Great Lakes region, especially water and energy issues.
* Gun violence: Funds research and advocacy to reduce gun ownership, deaths and injuries. This includes support of anti-gun groups[1].
* Money and politics: Supports research and advocacy around such issues as campaign finance and ethics reform.
* Culture: Supports arts organizations, primarily in Chicago; its Joyce Awards also supports arts groups in other Midwest cities.
In 2005, the Joyce Foundation paid grants in the amount of $8,385,304 in its Environment program, $7,888,380 in its Education program, $6,302,775 in its Employment program, $3,056,117 in its Gun Violence Program, $2,818,105 in its Money and Politics program, and $1,427,350 in its Culture program. Source: The Joyce Foundation 2005 Annual Report, Page 45.
Obama served on the board of directors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (The Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) was a Chicago public school reform project from 1995 to 2001 that worked with half of Chicago’s public schools and was funded by a $49.2 million, 2-to-1 matching challenge grant over five years from the Annenberg Foundation. The grant was contingent on being matched by $49.2 million in private donations and $49.2 million in public money) from 1995–2002, as founding president and chairman of the board of directors from 1995–1999. He also served on the board of directors of the Chicago Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, the Center for Neighborhood Technology, and the Lugenia Burns Hope Center.
Obama was elected to the Illinois Senate in 1996, succeeding State Senator Alice Palmer as Senator from Illinois’ 13th District, which then spanned Chicago South Side neighborhoods from Hyde Park-Kenwood south to South Shore and west to Chicago Lawn. Once elected, Obama gained bipartisan support for legislation reforming ethics and health care laws. He sponsored a law increasing tax credits for low-income workers, negotiated welfare reform, and promoted increased subsidies for childcare. In 2001, as co-chairman of the bipartisan Joint Committee on Administrative Rules, Obama supported Republican Governor Ryan’s payday loan regulations and predatory mortgage lending regulations aimed at averting home foreclosures.
Wow, Kismet, thanks!!
Your list is duly bookmarked.
Yeah, but what has he done lately?
(jk)
WIN!
“and also from 1994 to 2002 on the board of directors of The Joyce Foundation.
**Programs
* Education: Focuses on public schools in Chicago, Cleveland, and Milwaukee; concentrates on teacher quality, early childhood education, and “innovations,” primarily charter schools, small schools, and similar initiatives.
Chicago schools are still some of the worst in the nation, as I said before, the students themselves protested the crappy schools.
* Employment: Focuses on workforce development, education, and job training for low-income workers.
Unemployment in Chicago has stayed between 5.3 and 8.3 since 1998.
* Gun violence: Funds research and advocacy to reduce gun ownership, deaths and injuries. This includes support of anti-gun groups[1].
Muder in Chicago is Is 2.70 times the National Average. Robbery, 2.73 times the national average. Aggravated assault is 1.88 times the national average. All violent crimes together are 2.18 times the national average. ht tp://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=Chicago&state=IL
* Money and politics: Supports research and advocacy around such issues as campaign finance and ethics reform.
So has McCain, in fact, the McCain-Feingold Bill is exactly that. Show me the legislation with Obama’s name on it, or is it ok for him to take gross amounts of money from wealthy donors while not showing where his small donors are from?
I’m sorry, you’re not convincing me here.
Well, hey… Why don’t you cite some good that McCain’s done on here, so we can be further educated (not that I could learn much more.. I’ve studied everything I could find on both of them, and I’m not convinced McCain is worth my vote. Change my opinion!)
Trust me, he’s not worth MY vote, lol. I just dislike him a little less than I dislike Obama.
And I dislike Obama a little less than McCain. If the McCain of 2008 were anything like the McCain of ten years ago, I would have a tougher time making up my mind, because I’m just not that impressed with Obama. I voted for Hillary in the primaries, but I would have voted for Kucinich if I could have. Kucinich/Nader is my dream ticket.
The fanatics of the GOP chewed up the McCain of 2000 and spat out a sad shell.
I liked a lot of Kucinich’s ideas. To bad he couldn’t present himself better. He came off as a dingbat to many, so his ideas were lost, no matter how much common sense was in them.
Research win there froofou!! I may snag that.
The point is, one man can’t single-handed change the Chicago school district. The point is, he was trying to make a difference. He got right down on the front lines and tried to DO something about these things. Just because the problem isn’t 100 percent corrected doesn’t mean we dismiss the effort out of hand.
But we are supposed to judge his ability to ‘fix’ the nation based on what he has done, or his supposed experience. The school system (if I recall correctly) got worse under him.
Well if you want to go that route… How’s the country done with
McCain trying to fix things? How’s meth doing in Alaska,
specifically, Wasilla?
Im just saying, if you want to judge the ability to “fix” this situation,
no one has fixed anything as of yet really.
I don’t know the statistics, do you have a link? Also, as I said one man can’t do it all for provide a solution, neither can one person be solely responsible for the failure if there was one. Who’s to say it wouldn’t have been doubly bad if the groups he worked with hadn’t intervened?
He does have a good resume, but if that isn’t enough, he will also be surrounding himself with the best people for the subject in his cabinet, instead of cronies, like Bush did, and probably McCain WOULD do. (look at all the lobbyists, etc, on his bus)
Besides, he wouldn’t hire someone who worked for Sadam as his transition manager! BWAHAHAHA >:-|
PLEASE cite information source on this one. too many retarded rumors spread lately..
Y’know, since your side likes to say “You can’t blame this all on Bush, there was lots of blame to go around. He doesn’t even have any power!”, I don’t know why you think Obama was supposed to single handedly fix the schools and eliminate gun violence. Sounds like you’re the one with the Messiah Complex!
I made the mistake of putting HTML in my reply, so PK ate it. Give it a sec and it should come up
Click my name for an unbiased study about experience and its role in being a successful president.
who says you need training?
w. had plenty and look how all that turned out…
A hahahahahahaha!!!!!!! Oh boy, that was a good laugh.
It’s Obama vs. Palin because McCain has already given up and Palin wants to keep on getting those $150K shopping sprees from the RNC.
But ordering expensive champaign, lobster, wearing custom made Italian suits, throwing extravagant parties for your rich friends in order to soak them for money and the like is ok?
WIN !
You seem to have a problem with premature ejaculation there, pally. Check your facts before spouting off like that, or you will continue to look like an idiot.
hah! nice
GOOD sockpuppet- here’s a cookie!
Not only are you idiotically misrepresenting the Democrat candidate, but you don’t even know what sockpuppet means. If he were a sockpuppet,
he wouldn’t be one of the most frequent posters in these comments and he would have the most left leaning viewpoint of any regular on PK (he would have roughly the same view as the person behind the post, whom would have to be another regular on PK)
“But ordering expensive champaign, lobster”
Wehay! Click my name for the snopes link about that lie, the New York Post, who broke the story, retracted it and said
“THE source who told us last week about Michelle Obama getting lobster and caviar delivered to her room at the Waldorf-Astoria must have been under the influence of a mind-altering drug. She was not even staying at the Waldorf. We regret the mistake, and our former source is going to regret it, too. Bread and water would be too good for such disinformation. “
The champaign and lobster story was debunked. Consider yourself told.
Yeah…. none of that’s true.
But thanks for playing, though!
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/obama.asp
It’s kind of odd how, first she’s criticized for being ‘out of touch’, and now she’s so ‘high class’ and ‘extravagant’ that people are disgusted.
Yes, people are generally disgusted by hypocrites. Just another hockey mom appealing to the average joe…except she spent $150K on clothes for the fam last month and gets the govt to pay for her kids when they tag along. Nice!
I’d love to get $1000/day per diem money to stay at home.
(And I’m aware of the technical redundancy)
Speaking of which, was this scarf one of the ones bought on the RNC budget (click name)? Because I think they missed quite an important point when choosing it.
Ha, I saw that too!
Seriously! In Palin’s interviews before she was nominated, she hinted that she wanted the job of VP only if it would be “productive” for her and for Alaska. So besides wanting to control the Senate, she wants bennies for Alaska, and she wants to relive her days as a beauty pageant girl, going on shopping sprees and dolling herself up. For Sarah Palin, it’s definitely not country first, it’s Sarah first.
No matter who she has to crawl over or walk on to get it.
porkbelly spending? what?
hope y’all’s jobs are ready to support all that…
Indeed. Sarah Palin is more ready to BE president than anyone else in the running. McCain and Obama are just senators. You’ll notice that in their debates they talk about things they VOTED for, Palin’s the only one present who can actually talk about things she’s DONE, as she is the only one whose experienced actual executive power in any way.
Reality check. Is this really who you want in the oval office? President Palin? Screw the 2/3 of the nation who thinks she is a horrible choice? Might as well keep Bush. At least he knows where everything is.
I’m not saying that her policies are right, that’s for you, the voter (Can’t vote yet here personally) to decide. But she has more experience than ether Oboma or McCain can claim.
yeah, she has a lot of experience creating a bridge to nowhere
And shooting moose.
Click my name for an unbiased study about the role of experience in being a successful president.
Interesting.
“She still doesn’t even know what job she is running for.”
-As opposed to Joe “Article I of the Constitution outlines the job of the Vice-President” Biden? You’d think after 30+ years in the Senate he’d at least know what was in the Constitution.
Maybe you missed the lie about giving tax cuts to 95% of working Americans. That’s kind of hard to do when only 70% pay taxes.
Maybe you missed the one about “Bill Ayers is just some guy in my neighborhood” – who happens to babysit the Obama’s children.
I guess you were busy when Obama said he would take public campaign funding, then later changed his mind so he could raise more money than would otherwise be allowed.
You were probably otherwise occupied when Obama claimed to have grown up living off food stamps – even though his mom pulled in an above-average salary, he never mentioned this in either of his two biographies, and there is no record of it ever happening.
I guess it is easy to hear only what you want to hear.
Karl called about those GOP talking points, you doin’ yur job rite.
DW – Karl is calling you, personally? Wow, that’s great! Thanks for passing on his message. Now when I want to contact the GOP to tell them how much they’ve been farking things up and what they should be doing, I can just pass the message to you!
Thanks again!
Well somebody sure needs to tell them.
Provide proof of this babysitting claim. All I’ve seen is rumors. Par for the course for the GOP, I know.
How about you instead provide proof for that claim that Palin is continuing the McCain campaign just so she get gift cards for clothes? Insults have no place in debate, otherwise one will end up looking like a fool and hypocrite. Don’t make extravagant claims with no proof and then call for evidence when someone declares something else.
Um no…Paddy made the claim and Paddy can back it up so please start your bltching with Paddy. But I also noticed that you couldn’t prove his claim either and went on a tangent instead. Rock on, McCain supporters!
What proof would you find acceptable, ck? Can the source be as good as those that said Palin was Trig’s grandmother (NYT)? Or that JtP wasn’t even registered to vote (CNN)?
It also appears that you fully accept the other statements. It’s nice to see that there are Obama supporters who haven’t drunken the kool-aid.
So no proof then. Thanks for handing yourself the fail and saving me the time!
Lol, so you have no proof. Thanks for handing yourself the fail and saving me the time!
I was kind of thinking the same thing, but you summed it up better.
No, I asked what proof you would find acceptable. Why give you links to articles if you are just planning on dismissing them out of hand? Come on, it shouldn’t be that hard to delineate what you require as “proof”. Do you only accept info from certain sources? Only left-wing sources? Only sources that share your viewpoint? Only sources that you personally know? And more importantly, do you hold every story to those same levels of vetting?
These really aren’t hard questions.
No, but real news sources (not pseudo ones like FOX) help. i.e. Right-wing blogs, the national review, Rush Limbaugh, etc. are not real news.
If you’re able to come up with some, we’ll look them over. I discussed some things with Mac when he tried to give some sources. We were both fine with it. Unlike many righties, quite a lot of lefties are willing to criticize their candidates for genuine mistakes. Maybe you missed the one where several people criticized Obama for being so willing to throw Wright under the bus.
Incidentally, any time someone asks me for a source, I try to provide a legitimate one as soon as I am able, and not from left wing sources, if at all possible, as I want my documentation to hold as much weight as it can.
I try to provide legitimate sources as well, but as you’ve just admitted that you won’t accept any source that isn’t left of center – and we’ve seen how the left-wing media gives Sen. Obama a pass on pretty much everything – I don’t see how it is possible to meet your standard of proof. The Pope could issue a statement saying that he personally saw Obama mug little old ladies for their Social Security checks and the NYT and WaPo would give it a pass – along with ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and MSNBC.
Beware teh skerry Librul media! Booga-booga-booga!
And again, when one learns the difference between journalism and punditry, it becomes painfully clear that the main stream media is not liberal, nor left of center, but squarely in the pocket of the people that own the media. It is a corporate industry serving up whatever stories will both protect the integrity of their own journalistic standards and sell a buttload of newspapers.
The reason most of the news sources you named would pass on that story is likely that it didn’t contain verifiable evidence. But then, they did cover the Swift Boat bit to death after they saw what happens to anyone daring to question the GOP.
Thanks herb. WE said the same thing, but mine rambles more. Plus, I was trying to be nice
You’re a nice chick; I’m a cheeky bastard. We’ve our niches.
Is that because of the assless chaps?
Puh lease, the mainstream media is not left of center. if it were, they’d be pushing much harder for Obama and against McCain. Instead, they’re trying to make the race as close as possible because it makes for better business. Also, most of the media outlets are now owned by people like Rupert Mucdoch, well known conservative corporatists. Furthermore it has also been shown that as far as hours covered, there is an extreme bias in favor of conservative programming, particularly in radio. It’s why Liberals are occasionally pushing for the fairness doctrine–so they can get a word in edgewise. People like O”Reilly, Hannity and Limbaugh perpetrate the myth by repeating “liberal conspiracy!!1″ They repeat it often enough that people believe it, so other than a few exceptions, the media feels like it’s hands are tied. It’s why Palin got all those soft-ball questions, like what does she read. The do this for fear that the right wing spin machine will cry foul if they don’t. It leads to quite a skew towards the right.
So, no, right wing sources aren’t ok, as they often contain outright lies.
The MSM would indeed cover the pope witnessing the mugging though, whatever their slant because that would be a sensationalist story.
Try AP, or some major newspapers, or even BBC or other foreign coverage that doesn’t have a vested interest if you want non biased. At least for starters. With careful reading, you’ll be able to find ones that are good and ones that aren’t.
The media isn’t giving Obama a pass either. Why are we hearing more about Ayers, ACORN(bogus as it may be), wright, Obama’s grandmother, Biden’s supposed gaffe, etc., an very little about what the joe the plumber guy was really about, or Palin being found guilty of corruption, or her using tax dolars to ferry her kids around, etc, etc.
My favorite response from the Right is “Why isn’t the Mainstream Media talking about [Repub Talking Point of the Day]?”
When it’s pointed out that the news media did in fact bring up the story, fact check it and debunk it two weeks prior, the Right’s response is “Why isn’t the Mainstream Media talking about [Repub Talking Point of the Day]?”
When it’s pointed out that the news media did in fact bring up the story, fact check it and debunk it two weeks prior, the Right’s response is “Why isn’t the Mainstream Media talking about [Repub Talking Point of the Day]?”
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Just a word on the fairness doctrine……..this is a clear cut case of where the advertisers are buying time on popular shows in order to reach the most possible people. Why would we subsidize something no one wants to listen to just to be fair? Conservatives may dominate the AM waves, but it’s the only place they’re dominant. Al Franken tried, and no one wanted to listen to him, so his show failed. If no one wanted to listen to Rush Limbaugh, then his show would fail. He’s not forcing anyone to listen, the same with Hannity, O’Reilly, Levin, and others. If you want mainstream leftwing media, listen to NPR. They are publically funded and have almost no conservative viewpoints. I listen to both, and it’s very interesting to hear how both sides leave out key words in stories in order to skew the meaning of the story to fit their own purposes.
I listen to Progressive AM people (Ed Schultz, Randi Rhodes, Thom Hartmann when I can) and periodically NPR. I’m surprised at how fair the latter is for such a “leftwing” station. Given how many times the GOP has tried to evicierate Public Broadcasting, I’m doubly impressed at their grace and grandeur.
Part of the success behind the Right Talkers is the money thrown behind them to get them into the media spotlight; the number of radio stations that carry their shows are ten times those of Air America and similar LibProg shows. If you have enough publicity, you gain a huge audience.
But, yeah, once I gain the superpower to force people to tell the truth, I will decimate talk radio, news media, and bring DC to its knees! (But will I be seen as a hero or villain?…)
NOt true. There is a big audience for Progressive radio. That is another myth they are trying to spread to keep it off the air. Air America had a few problems, but it was because of bad management, not lack of listeners. It’s the same reason Kenny Rogers Roaster went out of business. People went there to eat, but management was so screwy, they couldn’t manage success and imploded. Air America has since reorganized and is still on the air and going strong. Stephanie Miller(Air America personality) is credited with coining “caribou barbie” which has caught on big time. If it wasn’t listened to, this would never have gotten widespread and caught on to by the rest of the media. A station in buffalo airs air america programming as well as Ed Shultz on Jones network, and Randi Rhodes on another progressive network. The station Puts 50,000 watts behind their signal, so that it can be heard for like 50 miles. There is an audience.
Here’s the problem. Radio is owned by fatcats, same as tv, who are largely conservative, or at least corporatist. They own a whole network of stations in different cities. They say they make an effort to put progressive talk on but that it fails because they can’t get teh advertising revenue. They fail to report that they put it on their lowest powered frequency, so it’s hard to just happen across it, and they don’t promote it on any of their other stations. The word isn’t out and people don’t often skim the am dial. The station fails. Not because the message isn’t wanted, but because the people don’t know there even IS another message besides the right wing talkers. This has happened in a lot of different places, most recently Rochester, NY. It’s WHY progressives are fighting for a voice. They know people will listen, if only they have a voice.
Ed Shultz is in the top 10 or 11 radio talkers by ratings, Stephani Miller, Rand Rhodes, Alan Colmes, and others are in the top 15. Imagine where their ratings could be if they could get on more stations. Rush is highest, but he’s also on the most stations.
Our second parallel post.
I’m going to bed before we accidentally merge into ‘minherba146′.
You haven’t provided squat.
It’s also not hard to provide the source. I actually looked while you were dodging and evading, all I found was an open admission that the claim was rumor at best. PROOF?
…and whose little sock puppet are you? Matrix? MegaBob?
Good job, my little sock puppet !
Strong words for a guy using a stolen name.
(Pssst- that’s good. Distance yourself from me like I did Wright and Ayers)
This doesn’t even make sense. You were doing better when you were actually trying to make points.
But it works 60% of the time… everytime.
It’s my ears, isn’t it !!!!
Ross Perot wants them back.
neh neh neh neh neh neh! I actually liked Perot
well now I feel a lot less guilty for making t -shirts that said (and changing my myspace name to) Abort Sarah Palin
Got any that say “Abort Obama”?
Both of which are offensive
Indeed. That’s no better than what we make fun of here.
Maybe someone here should take a picture of one of the t-shirts and get it up on here. That’d be fitting.
awesome
Wow, that is quite clever word play for an American. Where are the spelling mistakes?
lmao
FTW? that’s not even close to his name… I wish people would educate themselves, and not mix him up with ‘Osama Bin LADEN’… Protect your ‘Real Americans’ all you want, but I wouldn’t want to be associated with such uneducated, biased, racist, ignorant retards.
Hezbollah is excited to have Obama elected, and they SUPPORT him. It’s even fancier than the French supporting Kerry. Hope they will make friends with Ayers – at least methods are same.
Is this another rumor? Cause there’s an awful lot of that going around… Can you cite this for me in some way, where I can research their support of Obama? Also, why?
I’m not trying to be a smartass. I want to know what there is to know. I’ve learned all I could about both sides, but there’s crucial information that can be found that could sway opinions. You know?
Um, Picky, didn’t Al Quaida say just YESTERDAY they’d rather have McCain? Convenient how you left that out…
Proof please.
Google is your friend. Just go to google.com, type in ‘Al Qaeda McCain Endorsement’ and watch in rapt wonder as the magic of teh Intertubes brings you the information you seek! I thought kids these days were supposed to be all up on the technology tip.
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Not that it matters, why the hell would Al Qaeda be honest about who they want elected anyway? Its just as easy to argue that they are using reverse psychology and really want Obama, paying attention to anything those assholes say is just stupid.
Linked.
true, they want someone who will ruin America,
At least they’re not gay!
Obama is an idiot. And the idiot pro-Obama lols rank lower on average than all others. Lesson to be learned: give it up, liberal fools. Your funny isn’t that funny.
And your smart ain’t, well, hopefully you’re smart enough to figure that out…
I’ll take my chances with the Harvard educated Senator rather than with Geezer/ Dimwit ’08.
Rofl…. ::high five::
um, the naval academy is a great school that is harder to get into than harvard (undergrad)
You can FEEL the awkward silence the liberals on this site experience when reading that.
No awkward silence at all. You apparently went to neither school, so how would you know how hard it is to get into either?
Any awkward silence is that noise where your brain is supposed to be.
You’d be right. I HAVE gone to nether. But if you were to publicly state that you expect a fifteen year old to have gone through the navel academy already at that point in his life, you would probably receive a heavy dose of criticism.
Also, how convenient is it that you were able to post without addressing the issue at hand at all? Good insults may be easier to come up with then good arguments, but hardly change the issue.
Unless, of course, you desire my mental capabilities to be a serious conversation topic. In which case, take it to failblog.
I used to be a conservative when I was younger, too. Then I grew up and saw how the real world works.
You’ll get there some day, big guy.
Wow, the awesome knowledge of the 15 year old has me starstruck. I mean when I was that age, I could read and comprehend. This is just sad.
Listen kid, check where McCain graduated out of that class and also how he got in with his General laced family tree. Hmmmm, I think I will go with the guy who earned his way in.
Admiral laced. Whatever… Stupid headache making me stupid.
I like the fact that his main selling point to his grandeur is the fact that he’s so young
I remember when I was 15. I believe I was only slightly less arrogant. Then I realized what a dipsh*t I was and tried to grow up!
My husband’s teens are pretty certain they know everything. Eventually they may grow out of it.
I think we all knew more back then… Life tends to beat that delusion out of you by 25 latest…
“If you are 20 and not a Liberal, you have no heart. If you are 40 and not a conservative, you have no brain.”
Lotta no brainers her !
Ah, 35. When your brain finally comes together and your body falls apart
there are these ratings that Princeton and U.S. News and World release… see they rate schools…
You know, imagining your opponents chagrined reaction to your sides ‘awesome comeback’ is kind of childish. Writing about their imaginary reaction is just stupid, don’t you agree? In fact, I can almost feel D21 bowing down before my superior debating skills and apologizing for being such a douche.
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And just so you know, Harvard Law School isn’t an undergrad program, and it is far harder to get into than ‘the’ naval academy.
Here’s some more KoolAid ,my mindless little drone !
Then why did McCain graduate fifth from the bottom?
Boy the conservatives have sore butts these days, don’t they? Who are all these newbies??
Repub sock puppets trying to pretend that they have more support than they do.
You can legacy in if your father AND grandfather went there. So nice try FAIL.
Not if your dad is an admiral, it isn’t. Kind of easy then. It’s probably the only reason they let him finish school, instead of booting out MR. 594 out of 599.
That’s what I’m talkin’ about! Mccain supporters can be ignorant fools, spreading slander, hate and fear in their wake, but GOD forbid someone comes along and tries to make america a better place. You deserve all the horrible crap that’s going to happen if Mccain is voted into office. May you be first to be affected by the tidal wave economic crisis when we go to war if he wins.
And for the record, I support and defend to the death your right to have an opinion. Just not your right to insult other people with their own opinion.
Applause.
agreed, i like this guy
A better place? Tell me, when Obama gets rid of all nukes on the globe, and we have no MAD deterrent to keep rogue nations from using them, how will the glassed radioactive wasteland of what used to be New York be better?
Blarg, are you consulting yur magic 8 ball for what’s gonna happen in the future again?
There’s only two ways nukes work: dormant in a silo across the globe, or launching at the same time across the globe. There’s no in between, no middle ground where one or two will be allowed to sneak through. So there’s no need to consult any balls about the inherent nature of global-life-ending weaponry. It’s naivety at the highest degree if Obama thinks he has the power to get rid of every single nuclear weapon on the globe, especially when he wouldn’t have the international military power to enforce that restriction on rogue nations. As such, his idea to get rid of all nukes will open the door for anyone and their mothers to nuke us, thus resulting in the aforementioned nuclear wasteland where New York, and most other major cities, once stood.
LOL, I can’t believe there are people who are scared by that “Mushroom cloud” line, how do you manage to go about your day to day life while being such a pathetic spineless coward?
Terminator 1 & 2 wouldn’t LIE!!!
Dude, they are TOTALLY realistic!!!11
Simple- divide the country along Red/Blue lines. Let Obama rule the Blue and McCain the Red and see who does better .
Well, it’ll take a long time to fix what the Republicans have done, but let me know yer address. I’ll send you a line when it’s at least better.
you just called me ignorant… thats an insult. do you not support yourself?
Juuuuuuust letting you know how you sound. Not so great, aksully.
I can’t help but notice that McCain supporters are standing/sitting there ready to defend when something is said about their fellow supporters, but it is perfectly OK for them to bash Obama and his supporters? I don’t understand….
And to a comment by Paddy O’Furnijur above: You need to check your facts….
- They just broke down the tax plan…. McCain’s Deficit is higher than Obama’s
-at least Joe Biden knows where is is in the constitution…. Palin doesn’t know at all! And Joe Biden could name more than one supreme court case…. I COULD name more than one supreme court case. Sarah needs to do some more research.
-Barack Obama did nothing more with Bill Ayers than sit on a board with him. And now John McCain is endorsed by that some board! If we are going to do do guilt by association, let’s look at the Keating 5, and lets look at Tod palin’s connection to the Alaskan independence party and the speech Sarah Palin did for them. Why is she running for a country that she doesn’t want to be a part of?
-Obama hasn’t taken corporate funding the Democratic party has…. BIG difference. His Campaign is still running on grass roots, the party itself is not controlled by Barack Obama.
-I’m pefectly OK with other people’s opinions, but do research and KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! If you can defend yourself and prove it to me that’s great, but don’t keep spewing out the same NONSENSE that has been debunked OVER and OVER again.
KTHXBAI
I’m BarackObama and I approve this message !
well at least those people aren’t trying to handcuff politicians to chairs. Liberal activists are the most extreme.
Carl Rove is someone who works for politicians, not a politician himself.
The same guy who engineered the smear campaign for Bush against McCain back in 2000 has been helping McCain in 2008. Why so desperate, McCain? Did you forget when Rove smeared you in 2000, implying your adopted daughter was illegitimate? Why do you reward such slime?
RRIIIGGGHHHHTTTTT….
Yeah, just trying to assasinate presidential candidates and making death threats. Publicity stunts are much worse than that.
Oh Ceefax- thanks for getting that guy to carve my initials in that lady’s face for having a McCain bumper sticker! I owe you one !
Jeeesus christ! At LEAST have the balls to talk for yourself, don’t hide and pretend to be clever. And, believe me, you may fool yourself into thinkin’ you’re just so GOSH DARNED IT clever, but you ain’t foolin’ anyone around here…
Thanks for getting that stupid cow to make up the story and harm an already spiralling campaign, sending it completely out of control
Look out for her in a LOL tomorrow ;D
So, freely expressing your opinion that a candidate is lying is attacked as questioning ‘real’ Americans and considered ‘scary’? Hmmm. So, what is shouting out “Liar!” at the President’s appearances and often burning him in effigy or carrying signs with nooses and presidential seals?
Is YOUR ‘freedom of speech’ okay only so long as it is something YOU believe? Or doesn’t tarnish your ‘messiah’?
Since so many Christian-Americans had to endure the NEA’s funding of the ‘Crucifix in Urine’ display for Freedom of Speech claims, and their offended sensibilities were so cruelly downplayed and ‘pooh-poohed’ by your liberal elite….I wonder if you’d tolerate my putting bobble-heads of Obama and Biden in a pile of horsesh*t and calling it ‘art’ and Freedom of Speech?
No, it’s the idiocracy of basically screwing his name up with a terrorist. Freedom of speech is awesome. Stupidity is not.
Good point Kismet! Free speech is a good thing. Stupidity there is way too much of. Especially in America these days!
Woops…wrong link above.
Pretty sure that’s intentional.
Yep, It’s the stupidity of those who believe it though.
Comparing anybody, especially someone who may be our next president, to a terrorist is uncalled for and offensive. The people in that picture should KNOW the difference between a presidential candidate- no matter how they feel about his ideals- and a man who hates the US and wants to bring it down. How would you feel if I were to compare McCain to Hitler*? You’d think it was bad, right? Well, that’s how most democrats would (and most PEOPLE should) feel feel about that sign.
*Note- I am not comparing McCain to Hitler- I am using it as an example in my argument. I know you people are smart enough to know that but there’s always one person who takes it the wrong way.
Did somebody mention my wang?
That’s the rule.
Well, jeeprod, the fact is that Real America(ns) are/is a relative concept. What I consider a “Real American” is educated and can tell the difference between Barack Obama and Osama bin Laden, Repub or no.
I wonder how many of those in there are in the square states.
And in response to a few above…
Kicking your campaign off from Bill Ayer’s living room, regularly sharing meals with him, blurbing for his book…all a little more than ‘sitting on the same board’ with him.
Also, the Keating 5? really? did you not read the reports (from your own Democrat special investigator and your own Democrat-controlled ethics panel?) HE WAS CLEARED OF WRONGDOING AND EVEN ETHICS COMPROMISES. Only Democrats (and one Republican, who was later exonerated as well) were sanctioned. You really should read more and not just spout out the talking points.
Sarah Palin gave a speech where NUMEROUS groups were in attendance, not just the one, and even the Democrat-controlled ethics panel in Alaska found no undue influence or impropriety there…giving a speech where thousands are in attendance, then picking out one felon from the audience and saying the speaker supports crime? kinda lame yourself there.
And it was Joe Biden who thinks Article 2 references the powers and responsibility of the vice-President.? Is that the Venzuelan Constitution he was remembering, perhaps?
And last but not least..once again…READ UP…learn…
Barack’s campaign has been sanctioned BY THE FEC…and told to return TENS OF THOUSANDS of dollars from “corporations” whose donations his campaign posted as ‘individual’ and less than $200 or ‘anonymous’ and less than $200…except that 54 times $200 from THE SAME ‘person’..is illegal.
By the way, have you looked to see how many ‘anonymous’ donations McCain has accepted?
That’s your homework…
Do NOT mention ACORN or I’ll have Bill Ayers blow up your house!
If I knew him….which I don’t….
lol… I needed that.
-Bill Ayers is a threat to America like Yousef Islam is a threat. His record has been targeting statues. While illegal and dangerous, it was not lethal towards any people. He served his time. When was the last time you heard of this guy before Obama was being looked into? Maybe 40 years ago? Because he has been living his life since then?
Having the charges dropped is not the same as being cleared of all charges. A number of rape charges get dropped simply because the state doesn’t have the evidence, doesn’t mean the person was cleared or that something didn’t happen. Same thing with Keating 5. McCain’s charges were dropped, he was not cleared.
I don’t think you actually read the ethics report because it did state the Palin, as governor did violate ethics laws. And that her husband had too much influence in the firing. In press conferences, Palin and McCain, both ignored what was actually reported and said that they were glad that she was cleared. I’m glad you listen.
Picking on things Joe Biden said is like fishing in a stocked pond.
And looking at this board, I think you would be able to tell that more that one person can claim anonymous. If this board isn’t enough, the group Anonymous could tell you that as well.
There’s your corrections to your homework. I give you a D+.
your religious dogma of both political parties is too much….
free yourselves!
you’re being played by each side, accusing the other of ‘talking points’, and saying they are debunked- but only from the other teams ‘talking point’s! Er sorry “facts”…….
HA!
Guys, seriously, what happened to the lulz?
These really aren’t funny. They’re just mean. It seems like no one can post anything without fifty-three people shitting a collective brick and carrying out a tirade against the system, and then fifty-three MORE people shitting another brick and carrying out a tirade against the original brick-shitters.
I think everyone needs to take themselves a little less seriously. Bring back the lulz!
THANK YOU
funny FAIL
what happened to this site?
Something amazing called an election. Sure to divide people
Of-freaking-course he’s been lying. ALL Politicians do, i support Obama because he’s the one who actually has the brains to fool most americans, you guys tried a retarded one for eight years, didn’t work. I’d say vote for the smart guy this time.