FAMILY VALUES
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Dear Mr. Obama, Mr. Biden, Congress and anyone who may be of help,
New law against “first!!!” posts, please.
Thank you,
Lefty.
NEVEEERRR!!!!
I don’t agree. It would be harder to spot the morons that way.
really? FAIL.
I think ‘First’ posts have first amendment protection.
Good thing i have 2nd amendment protection
You’re right, it is a first, a Black First Family. These are the Family Values those of us in the Christian Left (Yes, Virginia, there is a Christian Left) can support: family-friendly economic policies, recognition of all the many types of families that exist and deserve to be valued, the inclusion of all the people in the family of voters…..
I’m so proud of our country. And BTW, I’m proud of McCain for his concession speech.
Lurkin, as a Republican, again I hope you are right and our country does amazing in the next 8 years.
Thank you, Trainwreck, that means more to me than a passel of Woot!s from the people I already know agree with my views. This country’s going to need everybody, and that inclusiveness I mentioned wouldn’t be worth much if it didn’t embrace well-intentioned people of a rainbow of political stripes.
Agreed. I’ll disagree with things I don’t feel would help our country, but if my contribution I know will help I’ll be glad to make it.
You two are going to make me cry.
Seconding the tears…
Thank you!
Thank goodness we can use our right to disagree again with the goverment and not be accused of being unpatriotic. I certainly felt that way for the past 6 years.
The Christian Left is gaining momentum. We’ve been too quiet for too long – or simply assumed to be ethical humanists. Thankfully even the evangelicals are moving left on a lot of issues. Well met, bro!
Well, I may not be a lefty, but I can claim the middle-ground Christian values.
Equally well-met
I claim middle-ground atheist values.
Hey, all reasonable persons are welcome. I for one would rather a reasonable atheist than a bible literalist.
Hey, nice trolling.
How ’bout instead of starting wars we talk about the picture? Oh, and I think it’s a great picture, regardless of my views.
I was afraid of that as soon as I hit ‘add comment’. For whatever it’s worth may be, I would much, much rather deal with real people and not with stereotypes. If I added to that pool, I apologize.
I claim left wing pagan values.
Then your opinion is moot!
Hey, I didn’t disenfranchise you on religious grounds!
My religion’s better than YOUR religion!
Really? says who? I don’t care what your religion is, only fundamentalists are wrong(and even then only because they force their beliefs on others and usually do so either from ignorance or hate). you don’t know you are right. And unless you are a fundamentalist, you should be MODERATELY tolerant of other religions
How did you manage to miss the playfulness of the previous few posts with such bluntness? There’s a word for people like you, and I’m pretty sure I don’t need to say it.
playfulness? Very easy to miss the playfulness when you have people saying things like that to you in a very serious (and sometimes dangerous) manner. and if you think i was only talking christians that is a mistake.
if it was meant as playful i appologise. However can you see how what you typed may be construed as hateful or hurtful?
Would those be the wings of SATAN?!?
*joins PLM in the Pagan Voter’s Camp* We’re a fast-growing swing vote sectior, you know. Next election we plan to have double digit followings!
We’re missing a few. What about middle-of-the-road Confucians? Mmmmm, take-out…
BEAUTIFUL!!!! Your words are amazing. Love it. Love ya. Love this moment!
gay
Actually straight but not narrow, married 20 years, a grey-haired Church Lady who appreciated your feeding me the “first” line.
Yes. I am.
I second the McCain concession-speech pride.
Thirdly it.
My husband and I looked at each other and said, “Where was THIS guy for the past two months?”
Do the ‘Christian Left’ regard Homosexuality with as much vitruperative nastiness as the “Christian” Right?
Many churches are seeing their congregations split because of their insistence on allowing openly gay people to become clergy. They’re doing it anyway because they think it’s the right thing to do. Does that answer your question?
I’m not a christian, and I don’t usually go around defending them, but they are not all alike.
No, but they’re all alike in the SCARY ways, which is all that matters.
The scary ways? I scare people with my open-minded acceptance of the LGBTQ group and ability to see that church and state should indeed stay separate (With few exceptions, such as The Pledge)? Nice.
‘Scary’. Boy, that’s not only concise, it’s informed and every bit as valid as Obama is a terrorist because his middle name’s Hussein.
So killing people in the name of god isn’t scary? Blind faith during a time of crisis isn’t scary? How many pots have you smoken? Believing you will actually, physically fly up to the sky during an event called “The Rapture”, even though there is no documentation of anyone ever ascending to “heaven” but it will happen to you because a book created by sinful and self-serving men says so? That’s not scary? Wow. Yeah, I lived in that world and I got the hell out. It’s scary by anyone’s standards.
And ALL CHRISTIANS believe in and perform this nonsense you’re spouting? Really? Gee, I’m WAAAAY behind on my loathsome quotient – how ’bout I start with you? Try a reality check, toots, ’cause that ‘tude is no better and certainly no different than any other -ism.
No. It’s a diverse group without a clear leader or single mission, and I wouldn’t claim to speak for all of them for that reason. But no.
I’m sure his family just happened to appear on stage and weren’t pressured to join him by his public relations officials or anything…
Yeah because its crazy to think that a man’s family would want to join him on stage after winning the presidency and making history…
Unless you can show this picture was from this morning you have no evidence to say this picture is in reference to his win.
But hey ignorance is cool these days.
Sure. The VAST majority of the pics posted have direct links to the caps. I’m certain SP was just talking about her foreign relations experience during that pic about hot dogs… Dude, lighten up.
Please please show me the date and time of this picture and I will glad concede my point. If you can’t prove that then quit appealing to a persons ignorance. It’s annoying and dishonest.
I merely point out that this photo is no more likely to have been of the time and place the cap places it as any other photo/caption on this site. Produce some funnies of your own – I’ll happily view them & vote on ‘em.
The point being that decatur said “after winning the presidency” I would think.
Well, Wreck is right!
I mean, it’s like, show me the proof that those
wacky cats are *really* actually asking for cheezburgers
when the pix were taken.
You were defending the pictures validity not its humor. You argument doesn’t work in this situation.
And secondly i’m not referring at all to the caption, i’m referring to the picture of him hugging his family. Maybe I am at vault for not being specific enough.
you haven’t answered my question about whether you read either of Barack’s books!!
I JUST DID
*refuses to nest*
nesting…..nesting……one, two, three….
Seriously! Everyone knows cats don’t ask for cheezburgers. They say, ‘Me out!’ and ‘Prowl now!’.
Fat Freddie’s Cat FTW!
Sure; somehow I managed to get in my head that it was supposed to be exactly that. While I admitedly flubbed that, I still think TC is being just a mite nit-picky about it, and flinging around accusations of ignorance for no better reason than that is being unworthily unkind. Point out the lack of such context, sure, but why start throwing names?
Ignorance cool? NO, not anymore. And from now on it’s back to nuclear, not NUKEULAR!
Oh god, that has driven me crazy for EIGHT YEARS NOW!!! *shudder* I had to keep telling myself that getting out the axe was NOT the answer…
And I’ll bet you that Obama knows what sovereignty means.
*shudder* My cringe muscles have gotten a GREAT workout over the last 8 years, I can cringe and shudder with the best. It should be an Olympic event.
I actually look forward to seeing how David Letterman will start making fun of him. He usually manages to hit the right tone for me.
(Still chuckling over “Clinton is a horndog” jokes)
Jon Stewart is my man, I’m all a-quiver waiting to hear just how he’ll get pasted on the Daily Show.
He doesn’t know what sovereignty means, he still endorses Clinton’s position on ‘keeping all options open’ with regards to Iran. And he has offered to invade Pakistan.
Time and place aside, Obama has family values. That is the point. Don’t get it twisted, mofos.
YOU WON’T WIN THIS ONE.
Day or night, pre or post election results, Obama made history and he has family values. You cannot take that away from him. That is the point of this picture. It’s a beautiful demonstration of the love he has for his family. You can just feel it in this picture.
The comments here were on such a peaceful track. Who invited Trainwreck?
P.s. Trainwreck (appropriate FIRST name for you) Calling someone ignorant based on one comment from observing one picture is immature, shortsighted, unintelligent, offensive, mean-spirited, and completely unnecessary. I always think it’s so stupid when people do that on here. They create a diversion to discredit whatever they don’t agree with. Well, not this time.
I repeat, time and place aside, Obama has family values. That is the point. Don’t get it twisted!
Anywho, I’ll take ten of decaturhasclaws than one of you, Trainwreck chaser. YOU are what’s wrong with the world. Kindly, get off the planet. You’re wasting oxygen!
Yes, they have family values. Killing babies is such a wonderful family activity…
Yeah, he’s not hugging them, he’s tasting them to see which one he’ll have for dinner tonight.
They taste so good! Nom nom nom.
What difference does it really make when this is? Is it really that inconceivable that his family loves and supports him of their own free will and that he loves them back?
I’m sure Bush loves his family, too. It didn’t stop him from invading two sovereign nations and starting wars that have killed over a million people, and by the sounds of things it won’t stop Obama from invading Pakistan or Iran.
It won’t stop him from eating your babies either. Your point? These sounds you’re hearing, do other people hear them too?
This has nothing to do with what I said. I was only disputing that it mattered when the picture was taken.
Let’s compare last night to this picture:
LAST NIGHT – ..it was night.
THIS PICTURE – ..it’s daytime.
LAST NIGHT – He was wearing a nice black suit.
THIS PICTURE – He’s wearing a button up blue shirt and slacks.
*eyerolls*
I just noticed, but you have quite possibly some of the best deviant art around.
You mean the Palin told a GOP fundraiser she would put her 7 y/o daughter in a Flyers jersey in order to keep Phillly fans from booing her? Say what will you bout Obama but he didn’t use a 7 year old as a human shield.
aww… I was already dying of happy warm-fuzzies…. you just took me wayyyy over the top ^_^
I can’t believe we did it, guys! I can’t believe it’s happening!! YAAAAY!
Does it sound awful to say this reminds me of 9/11, but for entirely different reasons? It’s like America could put all differences aside and become one people to accomplish something magical. Different emotions, same effect. We needed something to pull us together as a nation. I feel like knocking on every one of my neighbor’s doors and screaming, HE DID IT! He’s THERE! Holy @#$%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“We needed something to pull us together as a nation.”
As if this guy is out “savior’? GMAFB! He’ll ruin the country before he fixes sh!t.
Gracious losing FAIL.
A *sigh* is all you get from me. And the rest of this comment, of course.
Awww, sad loser is sad.
Yeah and has some penis envy apparently. Nis name is a bit of overcompensation.
Well there are those of us who think LITTLE of him….
We have been rather SMALL minded about his post…
Perhaps with some deep SEARCHING we might FIND his POINT.
But who knows if he’ll MEASURE up to our MEAGER standards….
He also probably has a small penis… yes.
Dad?…. Pfft!
It’s not him. It’s us. That’s the magic. Why can’t anyone see that? It’s not about Obama, as much as it is about all of us becoming what we were meant to be as Americans, and embodying that.
This is how you tell the good guys on the right (they exist) from the a-holes. One good guy was on stage making a gracious and moving concession speech and talking about how we all need to work together for our country, and the a-holes were in the audience booing him. Humoungous clearly falls into the latter category.
WIN.
You and your angry cynicism, selfishness, and ridiculous hyperbole is exactly what we defeated last night.
I have spent the last 8 years living in your world – angry, vengeful, violent, and selfish – and the nation has finally shrugged off your dirty, smelly cloak of divisiveness and jingoism to show its true face to the world.
We’ve had enough of your spiteful words. We’ve had enough of your vulgarity. We’ve had quite enough of your (im)moral judgment.
We are the patriots, Humongous, because we believe that everyone in this country should be allowed to share in the opportunities and benefits that come with being Americans.
Word.
Lotsa angst on the boards today.
Wow! Very very nice!
The country’s already ruined. We can go nowhere but up.
not true, don’t jinks it.
“Humongous Great Sausage”? Over compensate much?
Oops, sorry. i invited petty attacks into what needs to (and IS) an amazing moment for our country. My sincere apologies.
“Family values” FAIL when they do not include a belief in the sanctity of human life!
While that may have counted as a biting comment elsewhere, using it in response to a picture of Obama hugging and kissing his daughters… doesn’t work so well, actually.
It also fails when you can’t impress them upon your own kids, let alone a nation.
WIN
<3 to jamlayfa
Amen, love.
*terrorist fist bump*
So when a woman in your family is raped, or has a life-threatening condition due to pregnancy, or is shown to be carrying a fetus that will not sustain life, you want them to carry it to term and/or die trying?
Idiot.
To an even less extreme point: So why is it the forced pregnancy people are so concerned about the welfare of the child when it’s in the uterus, but as soon as it’s born they don’t care whether it has guaranteed access to health care? Why is it they don’t care if this child, born to a woman who wasn’t ready to be a mother, doesn’t get equal access to higher education? “Love the fetus; hate the child”: should be the motto of the forced pregnancy movement.
In bed…
amen
Those people who want to force women to carry children to term should be willing to pay for all doctor visits and medical bills, prenatal vitamins, and nutritional food for those women who can’t afford it. Are they? I doubt it.
In search of Conservative LOLs, I found what where billed as ‘funny conservative T-shirts’. One read, “If you can’t feed ‘em, don’t breed ‘em”. But such people also don’t believe in teaching sex ed or contraception. But of course, that’s only if you’re black or lower class; if you’re white and upper class, it’s ‘life happens’ and the state picking up the check on your kids *whisper: but don’t you DARE call that welfare!*
Small wonder I found no conservative humor worth plagiarizing; it’s as I’ve put forth: they have NO humor.
Odd considering he is hugging his children and not abortion daughters. Maybe they think life is so valuable that you should have a choice in the matter and while we are at it, maybe they think life is so valuable that they want to bring our soldiers home so they can stop dying.
Very odd considering that I see way too many conservatives who want live babies so they can make dead soldiers.
Bravo! Well said…!
Well could have been said better. I meant to say Abortion Doctors by my brain lapsed resulting in a typo fail. Least it still had some coherence. -_-
I got the general gist ^_^
Kinky, is that anything like private parts or corporal punishment? *hugs*
What about the sanctity of marriage?
Only 1 republican candidate who ran in 08 wasn’t a divorce.
For The Win!
I laugh at those people who have had a divorce and then try to preach about the “sanctity of marriage”.
Sometimes you don’t learn your lesson about the sanctity of said marriage until you lose one. It’s the same argument as a former druggie preaching against the evils of drugs.
Um, frou? Most of those folks don’t ‘lose’ marriages – they throw them away. There’s really no comparison at all, I’m sorry. Unlike addiction, marriage takes work. Now BEATING addiction – THAT takes work! Unlike beating your spouse.
In bed. Consentually.
Having been in that situation, yes, there is a comparison. If one person is working but the other person isn’t, then it WON’T WORK, no matter what the first person does. In that instance, it’s a loss of the marriage, not a throwing away.
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And there are some plain old bad marriages out there that won’t work no matter what you try.
It must just be a coincidence these men cast aside first wives for younger, more attractive wives. I guess the fat, aging, less pretty wives just don’t work as hard at making marriages work. Thank god for the noble, selfless husbands, who have the good sense to start over with younger, more tractable women.
Gee, I’m sorry, that came out a lot more negatively than was actually necessary.
I’m with you – but you’re pointing up what I said. If HE didn’t work, he threw it away. *shrug* I know not all parties fail, but the ones that do far outweigh the ones that try. Maybe marriage should be done with renewable contracts or something…
Must have been teh gays that ruined those marriages.
It’s always teh gays.
Those dastardly gays!!!
Heh, is that sanctity still there if the fetus grows up to be gay?
Is this really the most biased site ever? Or do conservatives not spend so much time online?
We have learned not to waste our time, mostly.
Better to blather on about those tin foil hat libruuuuuuuul conspiracies.
PK only posts those LOLs submitted, they don’t create them themselves right? So if you want more pro-conservative LOLs, start making them.
Funny how you say that but yet don’t have an account for voting, where those pictures might be. Way to appeal to ignorance, especially yours. Oh and yes, talk to Evil Pundit and see his pictures.
OMG!! CONSPIRACY!!!
>>you say that but yet don’t have an account for voting,<<
I usually don’t vote on the LOLs, just read them and move on… but you don’t need an account to vote on them.
Oop, looks like you fail again. Yes you do need an account to vote. You should check that out before claiming facts.
I’m gonna call this a fail here.
Nope, I don’t have an account and I voted on several of them today just to try it out. No account needed.
Okay, i’ll concede and ask how do you do that, because I can’t seem to do that when I click fail or win.
Hmm maybe we are talking about 2 different things? I don’t get fail/win options, only a number of heads to click on.
Ahhhhh, see you aren’t on the vote page. You gotta go to the bar below the different types of blogs and look at the vote part.
You’re wrong, I’m doing it right now, you can’t do that, either you’re special and can get past the requirements, or I’m special and I’m the only one that needs a password.
I’m assuning she’s talking about rating the pic vs. voting for it.
But you _are_ special.
Evidently I cannot spell and am also therefore special.
Oh trust me, I know i’m ‘touched’ in some cases.
They give you a few to vote on, and then after those (I think they usually give you about three or four) you need an account to continue voting.
They must have changed the registration requirement, as I have voted on 50+ now just to test the theory.
Maybe. I haven’t voted without my login in a long time, so I wouldn’t really be the most informed on the subject.
here i made a conservative lol
http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=2493468&vk=2yZ%2fQidCJNqonYv4tFFx8PIR1wBhlZQF9EMMWQ0E8esxkC7LQ4Q3%2fcPg2b6nsReX
Meh. That’s not that funny. Okay, so just to flex our muscles, I announce the quest for a funny conservative lol!
It would be ironic to the point of sadness if a very win conservative lol were made & subbed by a liberal.
But…. where’s the lolz? I would’ve laughed, even if it was against Obama.. but it needed lolz.
Ummmm… maybe because the ref is to millions dying due to an evil act, but no lol there. Look, many of the pics here of the ‘McCain/Palin are evil’ sort aren’t funny either. What makes a funny generally is either juxtaposition, an anachronism, or misquotation. I find the idea of a Quest for a Conservative LOL a fine one. Try again! By golly, it CAN be done!
You just deal with it, because sometimes you find some good ones. Although I have made some democratic friends that I like *cough seth, cough jane where are you?* and learned a lot more about political debate.
As for this picture……I concede it’s nice. I want to site some of his family members in poverty but who knows where that current relationship is.
Heya TC. Did you catch the Daily Show coverage with Obama’s adviser from Harvard Law School? Interesting stuff. He thought the Obamas were Republicans when he first met them, Reagan was Obama’s favorite president, he thought Michelle would be the leader, and that Obama would make a nice big city mayor. Don’t worry, the Republicans didn’t actually lose last night, because the Democrats only won by moving towards the center. Has Pelosi done a single leftist thing since becoming speaker? Nope. I have a feeling that Obama will pull her even closer to center.
Please, you can’t use pelosi as a centrist, she’s not, I don’t want to post a huge thing on her. She gives me a head ache.
She wasn’t supposed to be a centrist, but seriously, has she done ANYTHING left wing since becoming speaker?
Preventing off shore drilling when we needed to start it and then making stupid rule that it needs to be 50 miles off shore when there has been proof that the drills have helped control natural oil leaks an aided in making coral reefs.
I do not like that lady one bit Seth.
Sorry, we DON’T need offshore drilling. It won’t help. We really need to enact the Pickens plan. And I never claimed Pelosi was a centrist anyway, just that she has moved towards the center. The way I see it, if I’m disappointed in her, you should be happy
Good point.
Ah, yes. “Swiftboat Pickens”. LOL
Or perhaps they’re all LOLz with Obama in them today because he won the presidency last night. Just a thought.
Go back a couple pages, like 10, and I’m sure the point would be proven.
its simple. conservatives have no sense of humor. move along.
Just jobs.
If they name it LOLFox, the conservatives will show up in droves. Problem is, they’d have to have all their LOLs pre-made for them.
The voting system is flushed with some really liberal lolz, which would be sweet, but most of them aren’t funny
I like i’m beginning to like you.
Well if they take a shot at Palin or McCain in a comical way that’s cool, but you should check out the voting. There are no less than 100 pictures with Obama’s picture and only a win caption and McCain’s with only a fail.
Which all will be voted as awesome for some stupid reason.
Because everything liberal is automatically sweet! We don’t just want congress, the White House, and eventually the Supreme Court, but we have to OWN THE F*CKING INTERNET TOO SERIOUS BUSINESS. I am highly liberal bordering on socialist but stating a fact that CNN has been flashing since 11 pm (my time) is devoid of rofl and lulz.
True story.
Again: if you want some conservative lolz, make ‘em. Conservatives as a rule just aren’t funny. Jeez, look at Mallard Fillmore – the same damn joke’s been running daily for 20 years. It’s STILL not funny.
then why do you keep commenting? move on…
Assassination in 3.. 2..
Srsly? …you are screwed buddy. Yes, people are stupid…you must be their king. Grow the F up.
Not screwed up, but a realist. If the Dems and libs are to be believed, in their doom and gloom empirical fantasy, Obama will have assassination attempts weekly on him, and you should pity that to vote for him.
Luckily for Obama, the people who want him dead are simple and stupid. Therefore they will probably be foiled by the Secret Service.
Also, if he is assassinated, that will pretty much change the image of the GOP party for the worst. They also have a small interest in making sure that Obama isn’t killed.
One can only hope the SS knocks them on their butts. I don’t like Obama, he’s a schmoozer who lied about taking political financing – again, from his own mouth, but no one should be shot like that. He campaigned on pulling out of Iraq… surprise, this morning the withdrawl idea was extended from 18 months to 36. And he wants to add more troops to Afghanistan, a mission to Africa and engage in war with Pakistan if they don’t deliver. Then Iran if they don’t comply. As of this morning, Russia is on the ready for Obama. Is this the “test” Biden spoke of, did he have insider information? Not conspiracy theorist, but I can’t imagine a VP saying that his candidate would be “tested very early” only to have this info come out the morning after election. My husband’s been deployed several times and is scheduled again next year. If we take on that much, he’ll see higher deployments, longer deployments as part of wars he said he wouldn’t wage.
He is just trying to deal with the leftovers that Bush has already given him. Also, I agree with a focus on Afghanistan, we were actually making progress there before we moved to Iraq and now we have to start all over again.
You mean the leftovers that a Democratic Congress left him. Before Dems took control, stocks, which unfortunately have a bearing on the rest of us, had never plummeted before, and Obama supported measures to force places like Fannie Mae to give loans to unqualified people in the interest of “equal opportunity”. They signed the papers without reading, took on incredibly large loans and we are seeing the fall out from the first 3 major bills Congress voted on after becoming majority Democrat. Before that, investments were at all time highs, without overinflation. The stocks were doing well. Only the airlines were bankrupt (though that’s more related to a 9/11 issue that started it), and job growth was doing exceedingly well. Just because Bush was president, doesn’t mean he solely and totally controlled the country. He is at the mercy of Congress as well. So people love to blame Bush all they want, but it’s not like he pushes Yes or No and it happens. Progress is relevant to what’s going on. Given what I’ve seen, no progress has ever been made in Afghanistan for many reasons, namely the largest being Afghani people becoming traitors of the military for bags of money, and becoming informants.
The idea for sub prime mortgages was actually an equality promoter first put forth by the Clinton administration. That was only the first nail in the coffin because Reagan ideology dictated that once we open the door for sub prime mortgages, we step back and let the market take care of it. The market needs control so that one bill (or Bill lol) cannot do so much damage to the economy as a whole. Also, as far as baggage goes I was referring to the two wars, including Iraq which is made of fail and is a waste of money and life considering they are pushing us to give everything back as quickly as possible.
I thought that Clinton joke was pretty good but no one seems to care
Also, Bush was a big proponent of Fannie/freddie extending more home loand right from the state of the union in 2001. This thing didn’t just happen in the last 2 yeas, sorry.
Short memory syndrome again. The Republicans have had control of Congress since 1994, and the Dems have had it for 2 years. If you think it takes only 2 years to destroy our economy, then you need to go back and study some more.
And, being a DC person, I KNOW how big the Bush bandwagon was until people started seeing the light. In fact, Congress members were working out so they could impress Bush with their fitness. They practically licked his heels.
Don’t forget – there’s a reason Bush didn’t VETO A THING until the Dems got control of Congress… Because they were all goose-stepping along with the President and his puppeteers.
Geography dictates someone’s knowledge on a subject? I won’t argue this point with you because you are almost verbatim quoting a certain source that had no credibility to back it up. Especially when under Repub control, almost all the Dems voted with the same agendas as well. Considering the fact that his veto has been overridden a couple of times, then yes… they passed at the Dem’s hands. But if you want to get technical, a couple of vetoes were on the same issue, just worded differently. Like the Farm Bill, Stem Cell and a Children’s Health bill. Three topics, 6 vetoes, though they were for the same bill with random minor revisions. Just saying Bush vetoed something without every actually knowing what it was or why for, or if he vetoed it to have something else added on, and then approved it… doesn’t make a difference. It only shows that one man does not control the country, so thank you for illustrating my point.
Proximity, not geography.
During his campaign, he said he wanted to put more troops in Afghanistan because THAT’S WHERE AL-QAEDA IS. He said he wanted to help Africa. He said he’d send troops to Pakistan in order to kill bin Laden.
I thought we wanted to kill bin Laden… or have you forgotten that too?
The quote from Biden was taken completely out of context, which is no surprise. Historically, new presidents have been tested early in their first term. Once again, a knowledge of history would have helped you here. (By the way, your butt boy Liebermann said the same thing back in June.)
Historically, presidents are tested early in their term to see how they react. Bush had 9/11. Clinton had the 1st WTC bombing. You can keep going back and find examples. But that’s not convenient to your argument, is it?
I actually have stated already, that I don’t listen to MSM for anything. I have a fine knowledge of history. Two examples does not a history make. If you wanted to skew the facts, then you could say that one president came in during rioting, that had nothing to do with national security from foreign attacks. Biden’s remark isn’t out of context, that’s exactly what he said and surrounding it, there were no other remarks pertaining to it. Biden claimed the first 6 months, 9/11 happened 8 after Bush was sworn in. The WTC attack in 93 had intelligence before Clinton came into office that an attack was soon coming. It was not known when or where of course, but there was data to show that. So if we go by your assessment of history, we’ll have a bombing/attack on American soil by July of next year, simply because there’s a couple of historics to support that idea? Well hot damn, I’ll tell my husband to be on the ready.
AlQAEDA, is operating in almost a dozen countries. Should we march into all of them? Especially when current intelligence completely and totally has back ed up for a couple of years that bin Laden is hiding out in Pakistan? So which is it, Al-Qaeda, which is in several countries and we should declare war on, or OBL, which has been thought to have been in Pakistan for some time now? Or do we just go ahead and send all our troops over to both countries and fire a warning shot for Iran while we are at it. Just because we need to achieve a goal, doesn’t mean we need to throw the sink at them. Obama did not support the surge in Iraq saying troops needed to come home, but what he meant was come home to be rebriefed to surge Afghanistan.
I must say you sound like a woman who is very upset that her military husband has actually had to go to war. For lies.
Certainly your husband didn’t think it would be like a video game?
Just think – McCain would have let him rot there, wherever he ended up.
And one more thing about your poor, beleaguered Bush… We all know he didn’t run the country, but the Pubs rode the wave of his popularity all the way to the beach.
Actually, he’s served in Iraq PROUDLY. And I do take offense at your remark, on behalf of MANY soldiers who know more than what the MSM wants to put out in nice Kool-Aid boxes. McCain had a plan for pull out BUT a maintained presence in the part of peacekeeping missions and an operative base, just like we have in at least 30 other countries in the world. Just because CNN doesn’t report on something, doesn’t mean anything. I suggest reading soldier’s stories and such. I’m damn proud of my husband that will fight for freedom. NOT for someone who won a presidency based on ending wars, then going through with them. I’m sure he’d serve proudly IF Obama had been forthcoming about his war parts that are only coming out now with detail – Obama is claiming now that he wants to follow Bush’s plan. Except he claims the plan as his own, even though Bush’s layout is exactly the same. But then again, we can’t have Obama compared to Bush… that’s McCain! It’s the premise of running on ideals of a campaign and lying about it and doing what he wants to anyways.
I have to admit, I kept a worried eye on the crowd as Obama finished his speech and came to the front of the stage to wave. I was seriously dreading the large bang of gunfire. Thankfully, it didn’t come.
You’d never hear the shot. You’d just see someone fall. Most gunfire is much quieter than people assume, especially if done at a distance or in a crowd. I’m a gun nut, so I knows it cuz I seens it.
Besides, if they kill Obama, we get Biden. *snicker*
There was a bullet proof ( I assume) “cage” at the end of the stage. It isn’t real obvious; I only saw it at certain angles.
The main problem with site bias is that these pictures facilitate discussion and personally I would like the occasional “Hey McCain WAS a maverick and still IS a warhero picture” to get people to remember that picking a horrible vp doesn’t make him the antichrist but whatever.
Of course not. McCain was and is a good guy, but his Karl Rove campaign managers ran him right into the kind of awful crap that never, ever should have been assossiated with him. The fact that he wanted the presidency so bad that he allowed it made me very sad; I have admired him in the past. He’s STILL a great good man, and during his concession speech he seemed earnest. I hope to heaven he is, he would be an invaluable asset to an Obama presidency.
So a horrible VP who has more experience than someone elected President? Yeah, that makes sense. BTW, Chicago leads the nation in murders, not per capita percentage, ALL murders. And the community area he “organized” is leading Chicago in violent crimes… great organization there buddy. I still haven’t found, in talking with 100′s of people across the world, a single person who can tell me a single policy detail they agree with. They just say “We need change!” Yeah, so do I and I want it in unrolled quarters. That way I’ll have something to give him when he taxes me to give several hundred extra a year to people who pay NOTHING at all in income tax, while he will happily raise energy taxes, like on gas, electricity and natural gas… yeah, next winter, ya’ll will be crying that his tax add on has “added on” an extra 40-70 a month.
I make very little money so his tax plan will only give me money. Hell, the worst that happens to most people is just not seeing a change (200k through 250k). It’s only above where people see issues. His idea for tuition grants of 4k in return for community service is excellent, seeing as we have to try to increase college enrollment. He DOESNT SUPPORT NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND, and as a teacher in training, that sets him far apart from McCain in my book. He is willing to negotiate with nations, even when it means extending our hand first (remember that when we took Korea off the terror list, they reopened their plants to inspectors). He isn’t forcing socialized healthcare, but rather offering government worker style healthcare to those who don’t already have it (those who do have it can keep it). My one huge problem with him is that he has only mentioned once that he would consider nuclear power. There are some actual facts for you that show why I support him. The educational reason being the most important of them. Also, the reason some people pay very little in income tax is because they have very little and if you take away what they have you destroy what little purchasing power they have, thus hurting the economy.
You should read the latest from his camp, the new figure is now $120k for singles, $150k for couples. Though why he’s penalizing couples to the max baffles me. Even his old figures were $200k individual, couples $250k. He actually is forcing health care as well. Small businesses would be mandated to pay the premiums to offer it, and it’s a REQUIREMENT for children to be covered. That info on his very own site. Also, the cut in premiums he quotes at $2500, are what he thinks might trickle down by the time he gives providers some benefits. That’s also his own words. If the children don’t get covered, then what? He won’t say – fine, arrest, jail? I happen to agree with the college tax credit, except, he hasn’t given an idea on how much community service. A person might be able to make $4000 at a job instead with half the hours… we don’t know on this one either. I do appreciate at least a thought out response though to your support, I’ve yet to come across the policy details themselves though, instead of soundbites. If they have very little, what has them that way? Not getting a job, education, putting themselves in over their heads and overextending their own credit? They already get a break by not paying in, now we should reward that? (And just so you know, I’m blunt, I’m not being sarcastic or snotty to you, but I don’t sugar coat things.)
I would recommend researching social reproduction. Statistically, poor people have poor children, who go to poor schools. Poor schools have fewer resources, less enthusiastic teachers, a less educationally minded environment, and usually more outside influences and responsibilities that get in the way of education. Therefore, they are less likely to go to college and be successful, thus they have poor kids and the cycle continues. School has the potential to be the great equalizer. Whether the economy puts constraints on Obama’s tax policies or not (the figures will shift as the economy goes down and when it goes back up it will get much more ambitious) but McCain has supported no child left behind which has really hurt our educational system. As a teacher in training, I could NEVER vote for a candidate who supports keeping such a destructive status quo.
I don’t necessarily agree with NCLB as it stands, and McCain did support it, IF changes were made. I know the theory of social reproduction. Given the choice programs of many school systems, and the fact that the drop out rate of children in poverty is something up in the 60%, if they don’t graduate a free high school, then they’ll never get through paying for college. If we subscribe to that theory, Obama would never have made it this far, Fred Smith, myself, my FIL and MIL, my brother… you can’t blame a whole society if the people who need help the most won’t seek it either.
Many do though, how many countless students are lost in the system. Before affirmative action inner city children barely had a chance at all. It’s only because of gasp social programs that there is even a window. You have to remember that people not trying (the culture of poverty if you will) is not the cause, but a result of an unfair society. All of the ideas about the American dream come from rich moguls who have the money to keep us thinking that we can get a piece of the pie but most of us never will. It’s inherently unfair. Those who have power work to keep it.
Richardson said the middle class is people making under $120,000. He said Obama will focus on tax CUTS for them. But that’s just Richardson’s opinon. Obama has said, no raising taxes on people who make under $250,000.
“Then, in an interview last week, Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware, his vice presidential running mate, appeared to cut the income eligibility figure to $150,000, followed by Obama campaign surrogate Bill Richardson, the tax-cutting governor of New Mexico, who further lowered the definition of middle class to $120,000 or less.” Biden reaffirmed this $120k at a later rally. But at the very least, it’s still remarkably lower than that $250k he started with, even if we stay at Biden’s comment.
Wrong, the $250,000 was the “Won’t see a tax hike” figure. The lower figures are the “Will see a tax break” figures. And any figures that DON’T come out of Obama’s mouth mean less than squat. You are misinterpreting other people’s statements.
Obama himself said he would not continue Bush’s tax cuts. I fail to see where that doesn’t apply to taxes going up… and if so many people are making jovial over Palin and the issues with her and what she says, then why is Biden’s comment who will be the next Veep, not carry any weight? Obama hasn’t once said he’ll take his own experience into account, when asked he has given a laundry list of names of people he would turn to for advice. Additionally, restoring progressive tax will only force major business to continue to flock overseas to avoid the taxes as it is. In a somewhat weird comparison – currently hundreds of movies are produced outside the US so that they can avoid paying taxes in the US. Royal Caribbean operates 90% of it’s fleet here, however, they register in another country to avoid US taxes. Two of the extremes of course, but if jobs move overseas, it still doesn’t forgive the fact. Additionally, with the AMT he voted to keep around, it’s another tax on top, which he’s hinted at raising as well.
If you continue to keep taxing people who worked their butts off, not only wil they downsize or leave, but it creates a bigger strain on the economy. If the economy is strained, people can’t get jobs, education or homes. Throughout history, of the 12 times a financial situation has been dire, each president who tried to raise taxes during, failed miserably. Most completely switched gears. Two who didn’t create the biggest economic crisis our country has known. When people overall have less to give in the first place, you have to keep adding taxes to keep up with more people being unemployed and eventually we go bankrupt.
There will be no incentive to grow companies either, and I can speak with this from my personal experience, because creating a new tax bracket, even using the $250,000 figure, I’d pocket just as much money at $249,999 as I would when I made $265,000. I’d have to break that $265k threshold to come to the same amount. That’s not taking into account the fact that even though he touts a 50% off plan for small businesses, there’s still a 50% increase for his health care initiative. Then add in his FMLA plan that allows parents to go to see their kids at school functions automatically, that’s lost revenue for the owner as well, or a strain on a small business with a small amount of employees when one takes off for no medical reasons.
It goes beyond a single sound byte figure. Cutting one tax will not make up for allowing some tax cuts lapse, and introducing others. It will take more money out of my pocket, plain and simple, regardless of how it’s worded.
90% of Americans make under $120,000 per year.
Can you find a good quintile chart for a refresher, this is just me wanting to see it again.
Clicky my name.
From 2003 and not accounting for dual income households which would threshold at $150k, lowering the rate to $75k a year. Do you happen to have anything more recent? Lots of jobs have expanded with the rate of inflation. DH’s job in the civie world in 2004 was 40% less than what the going rate is now.
As someone who falls below the 50th percentile, I find this chart terrifying- –truly, the rich have been getting richer, and the rest of us have seen almost totally static income while costs increase. And this, while corporations are asking that very class to put in more hours, do more work with fewer resources, forget about pensions, and kick in more for health care.
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Spread the wealth? I’m on board!
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Poor Obama, if only he could work miracles…he’s in for a rough ride. Let’s hope America does truly rally behind him, ’cause this is gonna take a whole lot of work.
I voted for Obama. But McCain is a war hero, and he has my undying respect for the sacrifice he made being tortured for over 5 years as a P.O.W.
There are so few Americans who have given as much for their country as Senator McCain. His VP choice scared me, however.
That’s a reasonable and logical decision. I voted for McCain, but I can certainly see what you mean by Palin scaring you.
O Please, Get a room…….
jealousy much?
Ugh, I’m sick of seeing PK dominated with bias. There are several hilarious ones not so favorable to Obama, but nooo – following just like the mainstream media. Obama thanks his kids and wife in a single sentence, then gloats over his “campaign people” and cries. (Which btw, his campaign made fun of Hillary for doing on a national stage)
And no, Obama ISN’T the first African American/black president. There have been 5 others, including Andrew Jackson who was had more black genes than Obama, but his pigment was light.
And a wife who wasn’t proud to be an American until her husband ran for office? After her speech calling out “whitey” after 20 years of listening to a preacher damn America and that whites needed to be killed. God, I fear for our country now. As a small business owner and military wife… Obama will ruin us all. And my family doubly, while double taxing our retirement accounts.
Bringing up his preacher pretty much means that no one is going to take you seriously. Also, one can love America and be critical of it much as one can love a video game and still acknowledge glitches and issue (this is going out to Obama’s wife). Also, unless you are in the top 5% of small businesses you won’t get taxed more, unless you do particularly well, in which case you will be taxed more.
Yeah, because Obama isn’t subject to anything in his past, like McCain is right? That’s the lame excuse I keep hearing. He listened to a man for 20 years, who was, by Obama’s account his mentor and that’s not concerning. If McCain was attending KKK meetings for 20 years, you think he’d have a snowballs chance? What makes it “not okay” to bring up his MENTOR and father figure?
She didn’t acknowledge “problems”, she outright said she was NOT PROUD of America.
Also, I suggest you actually read his tax proposals and not his “95%” speech. The income tax ONLY would go down a FEW percent, while the current tax cuts on the books would expire raising taxes back up by 10%. That doesn’t save me money, and when he adds in the internet commerce interstate tax, capital gains, etc. that WILL apply to me and the extra taxes onto my husband’s military pay and closure of health clinics… BTW, if I “do particularly well”, it’s at my own hands, then why should I be taxed more? I worked for it, it doesn’t make sense. That money will be spread to almost 45% of people who pay NOTHING and I pay more? Where’s the logic in that? Great incentive for small business owners to expand and add jobs.
Sigh. If you think everyone has an equal chance and merit really is representative of success you need to read up on a topic called sociology. Society is inherently unfair, I hate to break it to you. A few stories that break the mold doesn’t change the reality for millions upon millions of Americans.
You can have a “mentor” who you admire in some things but not others. Take my mother for example, who chose McCain over Obama solely based on race and fear that the latter was a Muslim… and yet she does have good qualities as well. Most people are not black and white, but shades of gray.
Most people in the lower middle and below can’t even afford investments that would come under the capital gains tax. Trust me, if you have the money for investments, you are better off than many many many many Americans.
So then where is their incentive to make more to qualify under capital gains tax, if they know they’ll end up losing it, instead of it getting handed to them?
As for having a mentor – if it’s not his hate of white people, it’s not his hate for America, what could he appreciate in this man?
No one handed me anything and I grew up government cheese. I took on a few jobs, loans, and got myself through school, I started my own business by saving my money from a not so great job. There IS equality for people who choose to seek it. There is a segment of physically and mentally handicapped that should be helped, but not the common person who doesn’t work full time. Under the tax cuts, a full time worker at minimum wage, when those are allowed to expire would see an increase in their money losses. That’s the same group who wouldn’t pay an income taxes, but would pay in other areas of taxes.
Yeah, Oprah came from nothing and so did Obama. The thing is, policy cannot be written on exceptions, but rather should be written on rules. Just because it is possible doesn’t mean it is likely. It’s just like saying that because we have a Black president that we are automatically done with race issues. It doesn’t work like that. Sure some people can find success, but the majority don’t. Also, people are having an increasing amount of trouble finding success and the middle class is in fact falling apart.
Yes, but they don’t find it at their own hands, not the government’s. There are hundreds of thousands of programs, grants and scholarships out there, but if they drop out of high school to begin with, then they will stay their lot. There are no facts to support Obama and Oprah are the exception by people willing. There are many facts to support that perfectly able people who are sitting at home right now, on the government dime, because they have no incentive and no regulations on collecting the cheese – as it were.
Any statistic in any sociology book shows that society is stacked against the little guy and a few success stories are so far from an actual representation of reality. A book I would recommend is “The Real World: An Introduction to Sociology” it is full of statistics and doesn’t come off as strongly as “The Rich get Richer” which, though having an extreme name, does use statistics to show that the middle class is on it’s way to extinction.
Those are just supplementary readings, I have a ton of work that supports the idea of society being unfair as part of my teaching. Michigan State University is the single best teaching school in the nation (look it up), so I would think that my sources are reputable. The reason we are so highly acclaimed is that we focus on social justice and teaching to equality. I also happen to be a social science teacher so I have had more than my fair share of statistics thrown at me.
Ironically, I have studied that book during my classes. Norton right? Northon something or something Norton, I forget now, it’s been a couple years. IIRC, the author actually uses some sort of “fame” meter for celebrities as opposed to options and availability to the common person and how they choose to use the resources available to them…. and IIRC, wasn’t there not a single study not conducted by her or at her behest included in the book either. I haven’t yet read the other you mentioned. Is that the full title? I’m completely open to reading opposing views or new ideas, would you happen to know the authoer off hand?
I just threw out the titles because my apartment is a mess right now, lets see…..AHA found it. “The Real World: An Inroduction to Sociology” by Kerry Ferris and Jill Stein, the other is “The Rich get Richer: The Rise of Income Inequality in the United States and the World” by Denny Braun. For good teaching authors I suggest Freire and his study on education in Brazil, Lisa Delpit and her thoughts on disadvantages in schools, and Ogbu (can’t remember his first name) on why students resist and what social developments lead them to that. I have more but it’s from a prior class and I will have to dig around a bit more for those articles.
“no one handed me anything and I grew up on government cheese.”
oops, forgot the LOL!
When I was a child. When I was an adult, I got nothing. Because I wasn’t a minority. I figured it’d be obvious. As a child I had no control over that aspect. I guess that point is beyond common logic for some. Hell, even my mom handed me glasses of water, if you want to get nitpicky.
Actually, I would guess that you got nothing, not because you were not a minority, but because you are sincere in your principles and didn’t seek the handouts that might have been available to you, once the choice was yours to make.
Which is a good thing.
I thought about being nitpicky, but I have had plenty of my own nits over the years, so I just chose to laugh. This is a LOL page after all.
Actually, it was because I was not a minority. When I sought WIC, because I became unable to breastfeed, I was turned down because my race quota had been filled. States get bumps for having a certain percentage of minorities due to some AA legislation that created a loophole (that has since been fixed). But I’m not available for many many government assistance programs and grants and scholarships because they are for minorities only. There is yet to be a single whites only scholarship. So instead of getting help, I got two jobs and worked for it. I would have taken a few grants or scholarships of course, but I refused housing and food stamps. I knew that if I worked for money, I could earn it and take crre of my family. LOL page? I thought this was the kitchen – I came in here looking for another Pepsi….
My husband had a friend back in college who applied for food stamps and was told to leave because he was the wrong color. He was truly in need. I love the system.
jamlayfa, I appreciate your willingness to continue with seola. The first two sentences of the first post showed me nothing but talking points that have been refuted repeatedly by other posters in many many other places.
You must have gotten more sleep last night than I did!!
You got less than five hours? Man I pity you heh.
You can’t refute opinion. You can only counter. Just because a mass of posters states a belief, doesn’t make it truth either. I’ve done extensive research on both candidates, but I stayed away from media and I stayed away from polls and posts and op/eds. I looked at specific transcripts, voting records, and sworn testimonies and statements. Hell, I barely even made notice of the debates for the most part because debates are almost always “smoke”. The words that matter are the ones less afraid to be spoken when surrounded by supporters, like rally statements. And sworn oath statements.
I’m gonna jump in here for a couple issues, nothing policy-wise:
- Andrew Jackson, from all I’m seeing, was born to Scots-Irish immigrants. It’s conceivable that he was a slave child, but it would be exceedingly rare to look that European if he was only fractionally Caucasian, at least from my meager understanding of genetics. (Still, let me know about the other four.)
- As far as I’m aware, two of the “whitey” clips (one for Obama’s wife, one for Obama himself) are mondegreens of “why’d he.” I’d still like to find the things in higher quality than I’ve been hearing them. Having said that, what she said was that, for the first time, she was really proud of America. It’s a slight difference, I suppose, and maybe not notable to the American ear, but as a native Spanish speaker (and U.S. citizen, mind you) it makes sense that she meant something quite different from NOT being proud of America the rest of her life.
It probably won’t help if I interject that I’ve often felt less than proud of being a (technical) American – I still follow Carl Schurz’s formulation of “My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right,” and I think America has been quite wrong in the last few years, especially in the international arena.
On this point, it’s quite possible that genetically, Jackson could “look” white on pigment. We get varying degrees of skin color, no matter what race. It’s been researched and determined that Jackson’s long time perceived father according to official vital records died before possibly conception. There’s a lot of documents out there, including some very rare statements in letters from Jackson himself, which suggested he was named IN HONOR, not parented by Sr.
Given MO’s age, there were ALOT of things to be proud of in her lifetime. I’m less than proud of my country at this very moment, but I can tell you that when the country rallied together after 9/11 – I was INSANELY proud of the people. I don’t go by what she “could have meant”. I go by what SHE SAID. And that’s a direct quote. You can’t deny it, and even the surrounding context supports it as well. She’s not Spanish, so I can’t really accept that theory. If she had been another language native, it’s quite possible, but given this woman is an American educated at Princeton and Harvard, I can’t reconcile it.
Well it could be the words of a woman who is also black thus dealing with two fronts of bigotry. Never know really. I have moments where I am proud of this country but after the collective dump we have taken on ourselves, we don’t need pride, we need a reason to be proud.
To bad that Obama hates babies. Fail.
comment fail.
Which is why he had two of them and loves them. Is this a claim for emotional masochism?
And votes and campaigned to allow live babies be left to die by suffocation and/or starvation. And his wife even held a luncheon to raise money for the cause. That’s all I’m going to say on this issue, because people refuse to see it, or look at his transcripts on the State floor, or doctor testimony, but at no time should a baby born ALIVE be allowed to die “just because”. (And yes, I do support extremely early term abortion, so it’s not a pro life issue.)
To paraphrase the motto of a club I used to work for:
Obama 08: These babies aren’t going to eat themselves!
Click on my name for the picture!
“So you dream of eating your young,” sang Freud analytically.
Oh my, I’m going to snork my drinks all day now…
Click my name to see our cake,
He did not ‘campaign’ to allow live babies to die by suffocation or starvation. That’s called infanticide and just a matter of what you read into it…check your facts…
Incorrect. Botched abortion babies, who are born completely healthy, are not allowed to have any medical care registered. He campaigned for no restrictions on gestational age, thereby allowing any woman who’s water hasn’t broke. Partial birth abortion is after viable life, and the longer you go, the more likely the abortion will fail by jamming scissors into a baby’s head. They are not allowed medical care, so if their only condition is premature lungs but fully grown, they suffocate like a fish out of water. If their lungs are mature enough and they survive, they are left to starve. I suggest you check YOUR facts. AND the transcripts of his comments during short time as a “leader” in Illinois. Also, the invitation by Michelle Obama is readily availbable as well. It’s not a matter of what I read into it, it’s his own words and her own actions. Then I suggest you check doctor’s testimony on how he’s lied for a long time, but came clean when under oath about just how many babies really are born alive. And then find a very special nurse who has spent many hours speaking against this after watching a nurse almost take the baby to a cold dark room to be left to die, because she had another abortion to get to. The baby stayed alive for 45 minutes, suffocating slowly. Just because some MSM tells you “Oh that can’t be right” doesn’t erase sworn testimony and comments from the controversy. Obama publicly stated he also disagreed with the current federal law on the books banning partial birth abortion.
Ok…you’re right, I’m wrong. He will never win because he hates babies*. … oops.
*sarcasm
No reputable doctor is going to jam scissors in babies heads. Drama for effect? I you are just upset that everyone doesn’t view the issue of abortion like you do.
Uh no. Look up how partial birth abortions are performed. That’s EXACTLY what happens. Not drama for anything. If you want to argue the point, be educated on it. Doctors were doing this on a larger scale than admitted and when the ban act came before Congress, their testimony was what helped shape and enact the ban in the first place. I’m not being dramatic, I’m being honest. I did my research on the subject. See my name, it’s not a real visual, it’s a line drawing, but still sad none the less.
Not scissors…and inside the womb…which, I know will get you to go off on me a in another way…so I won’t bother.
I do know how they’re performed though….no drama necessary. Only the facts.
He may have had 2 (which is the PC thing to do), but his pro-choice stance shows otherwise.
You do realize that with pro-choice you can choose to have kids right. His stance isn’t pro abortion, it is pro choice, meaning to keep the option legal.
Abortion is a very wrenching choice to deal with and very personal. It should be in nobody else’s hands but the woman involved what happens with her body. Though it would be logical to try and include the father if he matters but that is another argument entirely.
Yet another case where practice doesn’t match theory. Abortion clinics are far more re-education camps than divorce law offices. Kind of like how women who choose to be stay-at-home moms are ridiculed by far left nutjobs…hmmm, I see a pattern here…
And for the record, Obama leans well past pro-choice into pro-abortion. Being to the left of NARAL will do that to you.
Then there would be an issue where I would disagree with him. However, he just needs to keep it as a state of pro-choice so rights are maintained. I can’t imagine a way to enforce abortion. When you have a kid, if you want it, you want it.
Given that all major testing for serious defects is done by the 20th week, it would be quite easy to place a 20 week limit on abortions. This also bypasses the viability factor of a surviving fetus. If you don’t know in almost 5 months, then there’s a bigger problem and having a mental trauma won’t help much.
And why should abortions depend on whether the baby-to-be is a “keeper”? I have a friend who didn’t realize she was pregnant until 5 months because she was still nursing her 6-month old, and still had a big belly. She already had an older child with a serious disability, a responsibility she had taken on willingly, but one which, with the babe-in-arms, was already as much as she could handle. As it happened the pregnancy was ectopic and she miscarried (dangerously, but she survived) but the point is, some times there IS a bigger problem and the person to decide should be the one who will have to deal with the consequences.
Pre-eclampsia. Look it up.
“Kind of like how women who choose to be stay-at-home moms are ridiculed by far left nutjobs…hmmm, I see a pattern here…”
I’d like to see a citation of this please. I don’t appreciate being tarred with ideas you pull out of your misguided idea of what liberals believe.
I can’t give you a citation other than the weird looks and eye rolls I got when I said I wanted to be a stay at home mom. “Why would you want to do that? Don’t you like having a job?” And the old “So many women fought for you to be able to work and now you don’t want to?”
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I love idiots. I love the sound they mak when they drop off a cliff *sigh*
So many women fought for you to work but never asked if you wanted to.
I like to counter that feminism was supposed to be about choices, the choice brings empowerment, not the dead end jobs we all end up with.
WE!?!? DWN, say it ain’t so!
Yep, the vast majority of men and women end up in dead end jobs til they rot.
I just got offered the position of HR manager at my job!!!! *dances*
Wow, moving on up babe. *dances with you and hugs* Awesome.
I start on my new job MONDAY!!!!!! *dances* I was even recommended by the DIVISION MANAGER to take the job!!!!! Oh, happy day!!!!!! *dances more*
Congrats. *applauds* ^_^
Mrs. Foxtrot is about as liberal as you can get (where do you think I learned it from) and she was a stay at home mom the entire time we were growing up. She still is a housewife, but if you think that means she doesn’t work you’re crazy. She’s financial planner, secretary, events organizer, psychiatrist, and so many other jobs. If it’s financially feasible, I’d like to be a stay at home mom myself, at least while the kids are young. All I need to do is find a guy to give me babies and then go out and make a living!
Sorry already taken, twice over even.
Seriously? I got envy and ‘How are you managing THAT?!’ I stayed home because there was no point in working just to pay for someone else to raise our son. Our healthcare at the time was not really adequate (still isn’t), but to get real healthcare AND pay for childcare… it was a choice I made and I’m happy with it. He’s great, I’m tired, and NOW I get to go jobhunting – what a joy in this economy!!
But yet you fall back into the us vs them mentality when threatened. Very telling.
And…. Just how many abortion clinics do you spend time in?
Do you have any empirical evidence to back up that claim (the “re-education camps” one you made)?
In most states the clinics are REQUIRED by LAW to give the arguments AGAINST abortion, offer information about other alternatives, show several informational videos, and have two separate waiting periods… one between the first phone call to them and the next call making the appointment, and one between the first appointment and the actual procedure.
The reason Obama didn’t support the constitutional ban was because no exemptive language was included to allow the procedure in the event it was needed to save the mother’s life, essentially stating that women were less important than the babies they carried. (my inference, I’ll grant)
I believe that very provision was in the third wording of that bill, and he still voted against it.
Too bad you hate women. FAIL.
Obama – White President FAIL
Remember all that stuff about “Haha, the polls are always wrong, they’re sooo biased” etc etc? (Click name for full story)
“With two exceptions (Nevada and New Mexico), the polls were extremely accurate in predicting the ultimate results. And in all 10 swing states, Obama outperformed what the final polls predicted, meaning that there ended up being a better result in counted votes for Obama than the polls anticipated.”
If Obama did better than the polls suggested, then they still fail by numbers. Just because they favored him, doesn’t make them right. And I don’t do polls. At any given time, I can call 100 dems, or 100 repubs and get the results I want, really. I’ve always thought that about polls, for ANY political race, ANY party affiliation.
Quite true. That’s why I don’t even bother looking at them. And honestly, what does a poll have to do with me? I’m still going to go vote for who I vote for the person I feel right for the job, whether they are ahead or behind. Hopefully people won’t be so swayed by the media in making important decisions.
“If Obama did better than the polls suggested, then they still fail by numbers.”
Doesn’t look like you’ve clicked my link to see how close they were, sometimes they underestimated his victory by as little as 0.1%
Sometimes means always correct? That’s a new one on me. LOL. I could take a wild guess at 50 states and their percentages too, I’m bound to get some of them right some of the time.
To jamlayfa, I must go now, silly little thing – my business calling me to start production for the day, but I wanted to say thank you very much, for engaging in a good dialogue, to be completely honest, I have yet in more than 3 months been able to do so without being labeled something or other, because I questioned. (How dare you! rhetoric from a lot.) A formidable opponent and I thank you again for a good dialogue… I’ll check back later for that book you mentioned.
I think debates are good mental workouts and I always love being able to carry them on in a respectful manner. Have a good day.
Welcome to PK. If you play nice and have more than half a brain in your head, you will have a great time here. We only beat-down on the trolls, clear headed liberals and conservatives are always welcome. When the trolls attack, just call for the Logic Club. Froofrou has a troll-beater stick and she’s not afraid to use it.
Thank you both.
I agree with mental workouts, besides if people don’t debate, information – on either side of the fence – cannot be shared and a common ground to be progressive cannot happen.
*pssst* Seth, it’s the Logic League. I know, I know, that sounds picky, but I sort of have a thing for alliteration.
I find this as nauseating as any Mao poster. It’s just so…Manufacture of Consent. And so many have drunk the Kool-Aide. He;s not Jesus…hell, even Jesus wasn’t Jesus. Don’t let your eyes glaze over, just keep them open, please.
Very sweet, but….aren’t these supposed to be funny?
Fine, here’s a no-partisan pk-lol (click name)
Try that one on for size.
Or this one
And again, I made a bunch in hopes, but nay.
And one last for the road – clicky my names for them.
Eh, *shrug* they weren’t very funny though. I mean, yes, sure, they’re not Obama-worshipping, but I find them uninteresting because all they are is saying nasty things about Obama; they’re not actually humorous. Make a right-leaning/McCain-supporting/Obama-bashing lol that actually makes me LOL, and I’ll give it a thumbs up.
I mean, if you think about it, that’s just what you’re complaining about in terms of all the liberals on here, except the candidates are reversed.
SHHHHhhhhhh…..
You are talking reason. Can’t have that!
It was for balance. I meant what’s on the page, not what I create and is locked away from public view or vote to put it on the front page. So since they are not that interesting to you because they say nasty things about Obama, would it be fair to assume you feel that way about both sides, or is it just because it’s against Obama? (Genuine question, not trying to be a smart ass.)
I checked all your LOLz, kittehs included, wish I could say I chuckled. You’re just way more focused on the “pundit” aspect than the LOL, maybe you could change your name to “bittervoter” since it looks like it may be available soon.
Is that the best you could come up with? After what your other posts have been in the same type of LOL’s reversed? Careful, your hypocrisy is showing. *kisses* This IS pundit kitchen right? Because in the last 3 weeks, there’s hardly a true LOL and all “pundit” against McCain/Palin. Wow, you must feel really let down after all that punditity goodness with no LOL’s. :/
Maybe it’s time to go take a walk. It’s a lovely afternoon where I am; or get a snack? MMMmmmmm….. snack.
Actually, I’ll agree with you here! Even this picture wouldn’t have gotten a positive reaction from me as a LOL, it was just in combination with the “First!” comment that it had any appeal. Well, that and a general warm glow, tempered by the passage of Prop. 8 but enhanced by the failure of Prop. 4. And it’s not “the best I could come up with,” it’s just the truth. That’s okay, I’m not good at creating LOLlish ones myself, I just appreciate the ones that are. Few though they are here. Cats seem to offer more scope.
FTW!!! We did it! I’m so proud of our new first family.
time for a new name?
Win! XD
When photo-ops speak louder than actual values.
Also “punished with a baby”
Okay, back to biz for awhile, have fun ripping me with opinions and smilies instead of facts. *slobbery smooches*
Oops, looks like I missed you. {{{{Seola}}}}
Um, that’s not meant to be sarcastic. I embrace the passion and mindfulness of your comments, and I know you must be having similar feelings to those I had 8 years ago. I hope the next few years are a lot better for you than the last several have been for me and my family.
I have done fine the last 8 years. BUT I lived within my means. I didn’t accept an ARM mortgage for interest only at $200k on a military budget. I actually closed on my first home yesterday. I only have a few credit card for rewards that I pay off every month. I suffered through 4 years of base housing (you wouldn’t believe the horrors), saved my money. This year, I’ve had a baby, expanded my business a lot, went on a cruise, bought two cars (one trade in, one lone), and now a house. If people weren’t so stupid and signed the dotted line without caring what was in those contracts, we wouldn’t be having an economic crisis. Obama supported the lowering of regulations and lending and pushed the issue to force FM and FM to relax loan limitations so they could include minorities and low income. Here’s where we are when you allow someone with no money to get into something. The typical ARM mortgage contract was fixed for 2-3 years, then was at interest rates mercy (Mine was offered as a 3 year lock of current prime+2%, at expiry, it would have went prime + 12% – I didn’t seek it out, a lender we wanted to pre-qualify for tried to sell us on it). More than 80% of the people in these contracts, a study shows they had no idea their mortgage payments would go up. That’s a scary figure.
Is all teh butthurt posting today from regular readers? I am seeing a lot of names today that are new….
Yeah, I see a bunch of people I like to assume are ignorant wail-flails that decided to post about how they’ve packed up and are ready to move out of the country.
TO ALASKA.
Or maybe to one of the 7 other invisible states.
What we don’t see are the 3 kids that were aborted
Source? Even so – her choice.
HAHAHAH!!
Murder is so easy when it’s legal.
You sound like a real nutcase with that crazy manic laughter. Either way, we’re not going to agree one way or the other, so let’s not delve into all that, shall we?
[Citation needed.]
Lets assume you’re right for a second – if those 3 foetuses were not aborted, there’s a pretty high chance they wouldn’t have chosen to have the other kids later in life. How would you like to not exist, hm? What if your parents had a kid before you and decided not to have any more, hm?
(Just to turn an absolutely hilarious argument from the misnomered pro-life crowd on its head, not even thinking for one second that there’s a shred of evidence that Michelle Obama has had even a single abortion – not that it would be anyone’s business)
Totally meaningless question because if I didn’t exist I wouldn’t care…any other silly rationalizations for murder? Heck…I’m sure with a little imagination you could come up with some rationalization as to why the Holocaust was a good thing.
Never underestimate how low some people can go.
“if I didn’t exist I wouldn’t care”
Exactly what I say when people say “But what if YOU’D been aborted?”
Anyway, I think you need to look up the definition of murder. I think you’ll find that murder refers to the illegal killing of a person. Abortion is not illegal in the US and thus is it a simple and indisputable fact that abortion is not murder in your country.
It’s fair enough to be against abortion, but pro-life nuts aren’t kidding anyone when they pretend they think it’s “Murder” or “Baby killing”. If they do, why do they always show pictures of the tiny percentage of abortions that are late term? Why not show normal abortions and say “Well, yeah, this just looks like a period, but it’s as much of a life as a 2 year old!” Why do many of them say there should be exeptions to save the life of the mother or in the case of rape? If there was a burning building would you save the mother before the kid? Of course not. If a women found out her child had been conceived due to rape after it was born would she be allowed to kill it? Of course not.
What punishment should women who have abortions hbe given if it’s made illegal? The same as someone who murders a child? Of course not, even most of the most hard-core pro-lifers don’t campaign on that.
If you’ve got objections to abortion, fine, but don’t go on with all this hyperbole pretending you think it’s “baby killing” or “murder”, it just makes you look stupid.
As for comparing it to the holocausy, oh, please. So if the US makes abortion illegal are you going to start calling for the US military to invade countries where abortion is still legal to stop the “holocaust” happening there? Because if you don’t support that it’s as bad as not stopping the actual holocaust, isn’t it? You know, that event where millions of people died which you’re trivialising by comparing it to someone taking the morning after pill?
Why do you people love my wang so much with this breaking of Godwin’s law? Do ya’ll seriously just crave the sweet rapture of a throbbing hard… commentary? With people like you around, I worry about my wang getting overexposed. He can’t be trusted. I don’t want to have the need to bail him out of the Methadone clinic. Seriously, think of my wang’s future.
Won’t someone please think of his wang? Other than me. After all that bj pontificating I seem to be thinking of little else. Perhaps if I think of my husband’s wang…
Might help… fill the void. Fulfill you. Sate your hunger. Slack your lust.
Apply liberally between breasts, lips, labia, asscheeks, and whereever else makes you happy.
Seola, I posted all the literature for you somewhere in that big mess up there, just fyi.
Got it written down. When we get moved in, I’ll order it. Thanks!
Wow, there are a crazy amount of comments and feelings all over this site and many others. Having voted for McCain myself I am relatively terrified about this new president, but I truly hope and pray that all these obama ideals come to realization other wise I fear the fabric this nation was founded on will be torn asunder and socialism will rear forth. I feel we are a great country, always have been always will be, I think democracy works for us and I don’t want anything else ruling me. I am both terrified and desperately hopeful for all these pretty thoughts and ideas to come to pass.
This is why the fear inspiring smears are so dangerous. We shouldn’t have to be actually fearful of a new administration. So many are going “OMG he’s going to make us socialist” without really understanding what that means, and while enjoying socialist things like roads and public safety. People need to come together and forget about the fear. It’s so counterproductive. This isn’t even specifically directed at Jessie, but at all those who are actually believing they should be terrified now.
“Socialist things like roads and public safety” SHHHH!!! Don’t tell them they’re already halfway there!!! *snork*
This is a beautiful picture. It doesn’t matter when it was taken, it is just very touching.
Yeah, touching…and FAKE. Good God. They’re doing what they’re told to do. Nothing more. Maybe if they had taken this picture secretly through Obama’s family room window, it would be more convincing.
No, that would be *creepy.*
Uhm, what values?
He is a millionaire. He has a half-brother living on $12 per YEAR in Nairobi. He has an aunt living in the slums of Boston. And he claims he is his brother’s keeper. (She attended his US Senate swearing in ceremony. She wasn’t ‘lost’.)
He is a habitual liar. Youtube it.
His one notable act in the Illinois Senate was standing up for the right of mothers to murder their born-alive children after botched abortions (wouldn’t want the mothers to be ‘punished’ with unwanted babies).
He accepted numerous illegal campaign contributions (over the legal limit and foreign donors). Plus his shady land deal with Rezko.
He cavorts with men who preach that America is evil and deserves to be destroyed, that the white man is an evil racist.
He cavorts with unrepentant domestic terrorists and lies about the relationship. He cavorts with radical Islamists who hate this country.
He denigrated his country on foreign soil during his European foreign policy intern tour.
He not only accepted money from but hired and steered money to and worked for a notorious voter fraud group then lied about.
But hey, he hugs his kids in a big photo-op so he’s an okay guy.
Talking points for the win!
See Snopes.com. You will see references to much of this being untrue. it is repeating of the negative slanders form the divisive campaign. McCain wanted to put that behind him and asked the country to try for unity for the good of the country. I respect him for that and you should too. It’s time to put all this behind us and have some hope. I don’t think many expect miracles, but hope is a good thing. You should give it a try.
So you’re saying his aunt wasn’t living in public housing and his half-brother isn’t living in a shanty?
Since those are the relevant parts of family values in this context.
This was choreographed and his family values are pitiful.
Good job with keeping those robot *beeps* out of that speech. But you’re squeaking – have some oil; it’s leftover from the orgy that went on earlier in the thread…
That’s the dumbest caption I’ve ever seen. You can’t trust any politician to have “family values.” I mean, seriously, you think that wasn’t all choreographed?
Let me just say that I’m guardedly optimistic about the new administration. I’m just happy hillary got flushed as she should have years ago.
Now, that being said.
HEY!
YUTZ!
THE DEMOCRATS ARE IN POWER AGAIN! WE GET IT! YOU CAN STOP GLOATING NOW!
Looks like real family values to me!
McCain’s family values account to cheating on his disfigured wife, divorcing her and then marry Ms. Money Bags! Things that make you go mmmm~
…and hiding his dark-skinned adopted daughter while publishing “family” photos without her.
So someone kisses their child in front of millions of people really means they know about family values. I’m not saying Obama doesn’t, but I’m sure President Bush and every other president ever has kissed their wife or children in front of a crowd. It means nothing.
Anyone who refers to “MSM” (also known as Mainstream Media) instantly loses credibility. If a “news” source is endorsed by the government, you should RUN from it, not flock to it.
Anyone who thinks it’s better to follow anti-intellectuals into war, rather than follow educated leaders out of it, should go straight to the front lines.
Anyone who believes that being the mayor of a small town and governor of a wealthy, underpopulated state is sufficient experience for being Vice President should not be allowed to vote.
Anyone who is more worried about their wallets than the well-being of their fellow Americans – well, I guess that’s self-explanatory, isn’t it?
Agnostic values rock too you know.
I’ll raise better, and more educated about the Bible (and many other religious texts) children than many a Christan person I meet.
Sometimes the label just really doesn’t match the contents.
There are less that wonderful people of every religion/color/creed/community.
The vote page is even worse.
I lol’d, DWN +1
Anybody else laughing that we are having an oral sex conversation on a LOL titled Family Values?
I mean I like the guy and had a Woohoo moment even with my migraine last night but seriously… Where is the damn funny?
And I figured I needed to bring some funny but yes, there IS antidepressant in there.
@Jamlayfa: I try to avoid getting another migraine today. I don’t need to watch the guy get his balls licked too. The happy ending treatment on the front page is enough.
Unfortunately there’s a backlog of stuff from before the election. I really wish there was a way to clear all that out.
DWM, some of us are pretty happy about this. Will you let us be, please?
Just think of it as him getting his balls cupped alongside a bj.
They need to hire my wang, he would issue a “beat” down to knock up, I mean out, all that back log.
I might be forgiving if people would go with DWN instead of DWM all the time. It gives my brain a tick. Enjoy your moment for my wang is ever ready and full of antidepressant.
I think I will use that a line tonight. “Hey Lynn… Pharmacy is open to all those wearing their school uniform with pride.”
Hands have better places to be. Work the shaft, ball cupping is if the wang is too small.
Try…to…keep…mind…out..of…gutter….
Oh, hell.
Is it true what they say about black presidents?
Depends on whether it’s a BJ or a face-f*&k. Hands should be kept behind the back for an FF, I consider using the hands to keep the full length out of the mouth to be cheating. Acceptable if you haven’t learned to control your gag reflex, I guess.
The bait, you ated it.
“Is that the Washington Monument in your pocket or did you just get elected?”
LOL, that would be the capitol . . .
So you are saying he is wider than he is long. Fascinating…
I don’t mind the hands on my legs when I am issuing the face rape though. I try to be mindful of her gag reflex. She can’t handle all of me though the girl does try like a trooper and getting better.
Guess I am the kinder/gentler face rapist.
DAMN. That’s quite a picture. Now I’ll go wash my eyes…
*adds a notch to the belt I will never wear*
Hands should be on the givers a$$ for a FF, if you want my opinion. And trust me, if you’re good enough, you can get the shaft with mouth and hand (singular) while tonging (sp?) the balls with a light rub with the other hand. It shouldn’t matter how much junk you have if the girl is that good.
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Just sayin’
It’s good to see that there are some things everyone can agree on.
Oral fixations bring us all together, hehe.
Lynn has an epic gag reflex and we have spent years fighting with it. We are actually making headway. *snicker*
And yes, you rock froofrou.
Tell her to use her hand more! My gag reflex is horrible, but there are ways around it
Mmm, she is quite the skilled darling and has been working my body for over 9 years now. She knows how to use her hands but damn I love that tongue…
Doesn’t ‘sex ed’ fall under family values? At least we’re talking about ways of having fun that won’t end in pregnancy, hehe.
Personally, I am all for it. God, I can imagine the sex ed classes explaining oral sex. XD
Suspenders sort of guy?
Twas a crappy reference to an assassin noir I wrote in another lol area here.
Better than the banana and the condom, hehe.
Nun outfit… and ruler…. ruler dammit!
*peeks up from trapdoor* Did someone call me? Crap, dropped my rosary beads. Hang on…..*picks them up* Now, rulers, shall we?
Hey… what in the hell is THAT you’re wearing under that habit?!?!! *eyes widen and brings hands to mouth* Is that.. zOmg!!