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FABULOUS demons that is!
Fabulously put!!!
owned.
Fabulous demons are very fabulous… And the Narnia is a fabulous reference ^^
ROFL!! Teh fabulousness, it makes me happy in mai mouf
Yes I lol’d on this, more funny then the caption.
I just peed my pants a little
“Amen”, not “Ah…men”. Fabulously put my friends!
1st comment
you deserve your fail for posting the most generic idiotic thing ever.
also lol narnia
Not actually being first FAIL
Surely you mean “Not actually being first WIN”? I mean, this guy totally succeeded at not being first.
I think she means “By not actually being first, you are failing, seeing as how you claimed to be first, and of course because you’re an idiot.” Perhaps.
I truly lol’d.
Seriously! I totally lol’ed at the Narnia thing. -steals hilarious comment-
Also stealing hilarious comment.
i too LOLed and stoled. added to my list of “best gay phrases evar” including the line from weeds season 3 ep 1 or 2 = “Well, we did it. But if you ask me, that boy be gayer than a handbag full of rainbows.”
I prefer the saying “Queerer than a football bat.”
Sorry…not funny.
I like Hard ‘N’ Phirm’s “Gayer than shit on a mustache” myself.
Camper than a tent-full of boy scouts!
“So gay, he could put a lisp in the word cracker.”
But agreed, this one is going on my list as well.
But Narnia is in a wardrobe not a closet… or through a picture…or garden gate. Or train station with a magic horn. But never a closet.
I too lol’d at Narnia.
And screw you, California, for being one of the few MEGAFAILS in this awesome election season.
Actually, there were quite a few megafails in other states with the outright banning of gay marriage.
Oh, and can’t forget Nebraska with it’s banning of affirmative action. There’s progress for ya…
Are you kidding? I didn’t hear that! …sheesh…figures my home state would f#@k up.
And Arkansas banned gays from adopting.
Now now ck, Backwoods didn’t *technically” ban gays from adopting… that would be discriminatory… they banned ‘unmarried’ couples from adopting according to the context of the bill. But of course… gay marriage is illegal in Backwoods, and it was verbally stated more than once that keeping those evil homos from having kids was the whole point… but that’s not what the law *technically* says.
Fap fap.
Assholes.
They should just rename all these bills to “We Don’t Want Equality For Teh Gays”.
How is it that they can’t ban gays from adopting because it would be discrimination, but they can ban gays from getting married?
Conservatives are so stupid!!! They want to prohibit abortion and replace it with adoption, but then they are so damn selective about who can adopt. Ridiculous.
If adoption worked every time…and pregnancy didn’t kill people…and people were never raped….that might actually work.
That is the most ass backword thing I’ve ever heard of!
opps backward…spelling fail
Of course it is… it’s AK.
AK = Alaska
Arkansas = AR
AK = just reelected a convicted felon for senate, so they can get a special fail of their own.
AR lost our democratic state party chair to a crazy guy with more ammo than meds just before the election went into high gear. Bill was a good man and a good leader. The election results might have been the same if we’d had him around, but I really doubt it.
Minnesota re-elected Michelle Bachmann. Of course, that may have been due to the fact that her opponent was called “Elwyn Tinklenberg”.
“Elwyn Tinklenberg”
Hahahaaaaa! Oh man, that poor lady.
Worse, it’s “that poor man”!
… “Poor man” doesn’t cover it
I was really hoping he’d run under some abbreviated version of his name. El Tink or some such.
Ooops – os it is… moral, don’t try to do state abbreviations in the Wee small hours while being English!
AR it is…
Nevermind how it hurts the adult homosexual population (not that their pain is unimportant) but just think of all those children, desperate for homes, losing developmental milestones by the day, who can no longer be adopted by loving single parents or gay couples.
Already abused and trashed, now these kids in Arkansas have even less of a chance.
Selfish, selfish conservatives.
That’s a great point. Did anyone use it?
I doubt it… if they did they’d have been found a few days later beaten to death in a field.
Sadly no. Or at least it seems that some conservatives were too busy turning out propoganda about gay couples sodomizing kids and turning them gay to listen. *sigh*
Which is dreadfully ironic, considering that most child
molestation is committed by heterosexual males…
maybe we should outlaw them? (but not my own personal
one, ’cause I nub him)
In Indiana it is illegal for an unmarried women to get artificially inseminated. This also is a subversive way to prevent gay couples from having children. However, it also means that as a straight woman who can support herself who really wants kids I can’t unless I get married (or go to another state). I’m pretty pissed because my mother was completely finished with menopause when she was 37, if I take after her that means I need to have kids pretty young and I’m still single.
You being single sounds like something wrong in the world. You’re rather lovable and fiesty. Then again if it is choice on your part, then it is somebody else’s loss.
However there is natural insemination but that requires a guy and in your case, a worthy guy. That gets a bit trickier.
Wow, I will shut up now since I am babbling…
I replied to you, it contained swearing and is stuck in the filter. It will show up eventually. I now gives you much love for being a sweetie.
I just call them as I see them. I can imagine that first impressions might work against you but anybody worth the time would at least give you the chance to converse. I always find you very engaging and alluring when you talk. Then again, I find smart to be sexy and you add that ever so delicious amount of grace and civility to it.
With every woman you have to work down through to where it all counts.
Thats why its so unwise to wed before spending at least a few years
getting to know the person. I know Im preaching to the choir with you
two, but it stands to be stated, because the obvious is overlooked.
And Jane, dont fret, if all else fails I know this guy who absolutely
loves a women with huge…. brains.
Don’t give up–try internet dating, or something like that, where conversation/writing precedes any meeting. I decided to give it a try, just so I could say I tried. Figured not much would happen: 6 feet tall, over-educated and over 40. Ended up meeting a bunch of guys who were attracted to just that–and one definite ‘keeper’!
Awwww, everyone here’s so nice! I <3 you guys!
Haha, I think you rock too Jane, and dont’ fret. I second the internet thing. I was in grad school, busy, and the few men I knew were taken, gay, or just soo not an option. I gave craigslist a try and met an awesome guy whom I’ve been with for 2 years this February. I was very cynical about men being able to handle a woman with brains, but mine is AWESOME!
His mad skills in bed don’t hurt either….
Or you could do like me…I was in exactly the same boat as bittervoter, but eventually found a _woman_ who didn’t have to deal with that whole ego thing. She actually *liked* that I was strong, sassy and very independent, instead of being threatened by it. 8 years later, she’s still my biggest cheerleader.
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Of course, if you’re not into that, guess that won’t work. Just sayin’, keep those options open!
Well then I’ll be sure to tell… my friend… Yes…. you dont perhaps
like cool whip and have a latex fetish… er, my friend wants to know.
Indy has always been at the forefront. They were the first to introduce Miscegenation Laws. That was early 20th C.
We went blue this time, which I think is awesome, but many Indiana natives were freaked out by their daring and countered that by re-electing our republican governer. *sigh*
Oh dear heaven, do NOT even get me started on ‘My Man Mitch.’ Seriously. I don’t see how we could go blue and re-elect him at the same time. So sad.
(lurker, but could not let that go. I dislike that man intensely)
Indiana hosted the early 20c revival of the KKK, too.
As much as I love Mellencamp, he doesn’t begin to balance out their karma.
you know… i can’t adopt in FL, and know they banned me getting married (not the I could yet, or wanted too…). I can’t stand most of the gay guys in my city, the few decent ones are all taken. i want a freakin kid too, i have a godson, but the dad hates me and just got outta jail so it’s kinda hard to see him cause he’s all controlling ovr my friend (the mom) now. you know, if you get to that point, i come from excellent stock
you could always come to FL.
Since when do you need AI to get knocked up? Come on now, you can’t be THAT repulsive…!
HOLY SHIT SOMETIMES I HATE THIS COUNTRY SSSSSOOOOOOOOOO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!
Who is Arkansas REALLY hurting the most?
– The kids. :/
I wouldn’t say it’s messed up. People who are just dating should definatly not be able to adopt a child together. If they can’t commit to a marraige, why should they be able to adopt? I’m not trying to argue, I just don’t see why its ok for two people to adopt a child just because they are sexually involved with one another. I don’t really think it’s the healthiest environment for the child, gay or straight.
We now have the first black American president of the United States, which means anyone can become anything they want in this country with hard work and perseverance no matter their race… So, why do we need affirmative action? Why is that not considered progress?
Did Obama’s election magically erase racism, bias, and hatred?
Obama isn’t even president yet. That happens in January, i think
If there is still bias, racism and hatred (and there always will be to some extent on all sides) enough to cause serious problems for people then how in the world did he get elected? When will it be time to phase out affirmative action? If never, then can we get some affirmative action here on PK for conservative lols?
You honestly don’t think there is racism and hatred today that causes serious problems for people? You honestly don’t think that the old white boy’s club predominates in high positions of power like politics and business? Wow.
Once again, African American President…
It is a good start. But it will take time for the effects to ripple throughout society. In the meantime, we still need to combat racism. It didn’t magically end just because one mixed race man made it to the White House. Did Obama getting elected suddenly change everyone’s hearts and minds? Did the hatred instantly vanish? No.
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But two seriously good things will come out of this. First, once a racist actually meets and befriends a member of the hated race, they generally stop being a overtly racist. And the president is a very public figure, very well known by all American citizens. So, eventually this will help make people more familiar with black people, and that will make them less racist.
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The second thing is what this does for the expectations of minorities everywhere. People rarely rise above the expectations of those around them. Now, millions of minority children can actually believe that they could be anything if they put their mind to it. The effects of that won’t be felt for years, though. Adults rarely change their core beliefs about what is possible, so we will have to wait for the kids to grow up before we see what a real change this will bring.
What? He wasn’t installed as president, was he? Didn’t the majority vote for him? Sounds like something has already rippled through society…
Started to ripple, not finished. There is still work to do. Equality is an important goal. We white people aren’t the ones who get to decide when racism is over. Do you understand why, and why we might need to cater to a little bit of self serving whining from minorities?
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I’m married. Occasionally, I have said stupid, hurtful things to my wife. When i do that, I DO NOT get to decide when she should stop feeling hurt. And if she feels the need to get in a few licks as punishment, as the person who started it, I just have to accept that. I know that if I try my best to make things up to her, and ask for her forgiveness, she will eventually give it and things will be cool again. Saying “Jeez! Get over it already,” simply does not work.
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Does that analogy help at all?
I liked it.
If it only started to ripple, why have we elected to the most powerful position in our country, and some would say in the world, a man of color? No, I don’t think white people get to say when it is over, but a majority vote of all people should say especially when we have such a striking example as this that it is not a hinderance anymore.
Probably because he presented an argument they couldn’t help but agree with? I think this election was very much about self interest. I am pretty sure a lot of racists had that moment where they realized they were screwed if they didn’t count on the mulatto.
Racism will be over when minorities make up a minority of our prison populatin, when they are not stopped by police at rates double or triple that of whites, when they have proportional representation in local, state, and federal govenment, and especially, when the average minority has the same opportunities as the average white. Obama is not an average person, the fact that he succeeded does not mean the same is true for all minorities.
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Let me ask you something, ema. Have you ever been followed around a store by security guards? Have you ever been refused entrance to a store because you and a few white friends wanted to go in at the same time? Has an empty cab ever passed you by because of the color of your skin? Has anyone ever crossed to the other side of the street when they saw you walking towards them? Minorities still face these kinds of attacks against their self esteem every day. Talk to me when that crap stops, then we’ll be close to ending racism. We are closer now than we ever have been, but we aren’t done yet.
Seth, racism will NEVER be over on both sides in my opinion, that is just the human condition, just like there will always be a$$holes. No amount of laws will ever change that, what affirmitive action did was allow people of color the chance to get in the door. Hopefully to see that they don’t have to base their opinion of themselves on the opinions of racists but can look to what others have done before them. If that has happened in the opinion of a majority of people then we don’t need it anymore. I also happen to believe affirmitive action has the potential to hurt people too as much as help them by keeping certain populations weak, just like welfare has the potential to do. Especially if we extend it longer than it needs to be.
Well argued, but I’m afraid I’ll have to wait a little bit longer than a day or two after the election to see how this really effects racism and prejudice. I just think you are jumping the gun by claiming racism is a dead issue.
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And you didn’t answer my questions. Those are all things that friends of mine have had happen to them, on multiple occasions, including recently. Please, use your empathy to imagine what a life full of those subtle slights must feel like. Can you see how damaging that is, and how it takes a special person like Obama to rise above the expectation that he is a criminal, dangerous, or sub human because of the color of his skin?
My only problem with the arguments you made is that generally (and I’m saying generally for a reason), the prison population is like it is because more black people committ those types of crimes. The crime statistics show that. Racial profiling sucks major ass, but in every profile, there is some truth. So the profiling is not fair, but can be warranted in some cases.
Well, I have said all I want to say on this issue and once again I haven’t convinced you and you haven’t convinced me! So we will just have to agree to disagree. To your question, I have had some experience being a woman with discrimination but I don’t let it bother me at all and I don’t believe it has held me back in anyway because of my attitude. Everyone has issues to deal with in life, no ones experience is going to be perfect but that is what makes us strong in my opinion.
And before you flame me, I really don’t know how the socio-economic stuff stacks up in relation to color and crime. I’m sure there is a corrolation there, but I haven’t looked it up. You tend to get more crime from poorer places.
Now you have to ask yourself why a majority of a minority is poor. Can you honestly say they are just all lazy or perhaps is there something else at work?
In my small microcosm, yes. THey are lazy and depending on government assistance. I know that’s probably not the whole, but it’s where I am *sigh*
Tis okay, I saw a lot of it too. So I understand your frustration. *hug*
Weren’t we talking about the gays? Wasn’t that what we’re sposed to be talking about? Anyone?
That was my understanding but somehow it changed as things here do.
Alrighty… this thread is now about gay racism… and go!
I’m verklempt! I need a moment! Let me give you a topic: The Industrial Revolution was neither industrial nor a revolution. Discuss!
Rhode Island is neither a Rhode, nor an Island… discuss!
I would also like to add, since we’re on the gay subject, Im watching
football at work and the commentator just said “Lets stop losing, and grab some ball here!”
That’s right, grab those balls…..
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Wait, what?
Careful froo. There are quite a few angry people here tonight it a perusal of all the recent posts are any indication. I personally have had my name hijacked by a troll I pitied (bob). People will take the ball grabbing the wrong way.
Angry people? Now see, I don’t understand why people can’t just be gracious losers. My person didn’t get in, but you don’t see me stomping my feet and pissing in everyone else’s Cheerios just to get attention. *shakes head* Sometimes I worry about the state of the world today *sigh*
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Then I remember people like you, ema, Max, Jane, and all of the rest of us, and I have hope again
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…..in bed.
Not a clue. I’m just here for the cookies.
Seth, I like what you said!
Um, when Kennedy was elected there were Catholic-hatin’ people left and right SWEARING that the Pope would control the U.S. A minority person being elected to high office DOES NOT erase the -isms affecting that minority. Otherwise, with women in Congress now, we’d have the frigging ERA ratified. Blinded by your overweening privilege FAIL.
Obama got elected because McCain seriously f’ed up his campaign. That doesn;t mean affirmative isn’t still needed… but Nebraska shot it down on the basis that it doesn’t WORK, which was a little odd, because the jury’s still out that one.
Actually the GOP marketing consultants screwed the pooch. Blame the messenger by all means, but really, McCain was just holding the package when it stopped ticking.
Nobody forced him to take it in the first place.
In response to Obama getting elected, I think that my generation (the millenial generation) is on their way towards a more color-blind society, as well as being being comfortable with GLBTQUI individuals and seeing women as equals – so perhaps there is an end in site.
However, Obama is definitely the exception rather than the average when it comes to minorities – that should be very clear to see.
Not to ema, obviously.
But yes, progression toward a more inclusive society tends to happen gradually as those with bigoted and intolerant views grow old and die while the newer generations are increasingly open.
‘Obama is definitely the exception rather than the average when it comes to minorities – that should be very clear to see.’ – Yes and that is why he was elected by a majority of Americans, as it should be. You see how things are working? If we still need affirmitive action should we have it for government positions too?
Remember Obama was elected by a relatively small majority in relation to overal votes- so 48% of people who voted didn’t vote for him. Not to mention the hundreds of millions who did not vote at all.
Oops, and what I was trying to say was to Ema; that many in the McCain camp were very anti-Obama because of his race. So racism is definitely not eliminated.
I never said it is eliminated, I don’t think it ever will be, there will always be creeps. We have no stats on how many people who voted for McCain are racist. We know the 51% that voted for Obama are not racist, at least not against African Americans in positions of power. So even if we say half of the McCain camp are racist, which I believe is high, that is still under 25% of America. Still probably only a small percentage of those are extreme trouble maker racists.
Ema, it’s not individual acts of racism that affirmative action is designed to lessen the impact of, it’s systemic racism. Click on my name for a checklist that may give you pause for thought.
Still, I have to point back to the fact that we have an African American president voted into power by a majority of Americans. So, this tells me that it’s effects are minimal. And saying that Obama is exceptional is no excuse, he isn’t all that exceptional but he did work hard and he did persevere, that’s all it takes really. The same goes for Michelle who is also very accomplished. We have laws against discrimination, that should be enough.
This idea of “all anyone has to do is work hard and they’ll succeed!” is interesting. With it comes the assumption that whoever didn’t succeed failed because they didn’t work hard enough. It puts all the blame on the person, much like the assumption that people are poor because they’re lazy. It puts zero blame on other factors like racism, calssism, and a faulty/broken system.
*classism, sigh.
Exactly! If there are faulty broken systems then change them, but still you are responsible for your own life and success. When you look to someone else to pave the way for you it makes you weak.
Wow, you…missed my point completely.
Yeah, totally. Multiple studies have shown that if a teacher is lead (falsely) to believe a student is less able, then by the end of a few months in that class, the student will be performing to the lower level, academically. Kids take on the subtle signals which adults feed to them. A friend’s young cousin in Pennsylvania was told just last year that she didn’t need math, because she was a girl. Now maybe a kid can get past one or two of those demeaning experiences if they have a lot of support at home… Or maybe they take the path of least resistance, and internalize those negative expectations.
Do I think we are past needing affirmative action? No. But I sure would like to see the results which the physical appearances of Primary candidate Hillary Clinton, and President-elect Obama will have on elementary-aged children, 10 years from now! Me, I still remember growing up hearing that any American BOY could become president.
Well there is the fact that he isn’t even in office yet and already needed Secret Service along with a significant wad of people getting on the news about planning to kill him.
As I recall 48% didn’t want him in so that is still a large body of people. Now we just need the percentage of them that are crazy racists to determine how bad it still is.
Secret Service detail has been a requirement for all presidential candidates since Robert Kennedy’s assassination. While it is true that Obama and Clinton had more death threats than all other presidential candidates combined, the Secret Service detail is and was not something exclusive to him.
Not saying it is, I was stating that he got it way earlier. I knew that all candidates get them.
Robert Kennedy’s assassination was related to racism.
Just sayin’.
Well there is the fact that he isn’t even in office yet and already needed Secret Service along with a significant wad of people getting on the news about planning to kill him.
As I recall 48% didn’t want him in so that is still a large body of people. Now we just need the percentage of them that are crazy racists to determine how bad it still is.
I thought he was supposed to be a uniter, not a divider?
How is 48-49% not incredibly divisive?
I would ask McCain’s campaign advisors since they thought adding Real as a descriptor for their stance was a good idea and not divisive.
Aww, come on ff. Bush told us the same thing, and his voters were outnumbered (in 2000) and, arguably, at 50% + about 1 in 2004. See, Obama’s improving the record already!
Well, seeing as how something like 40% of the voters didn’t vote for him, we certainly still have a sizeable population that could easily contain racist employers.
I can see the point in asking about the phasing out in affirmative action. I live in montana so, by all means i want minorities to have jobs, please we need some color up here, but i don’t expect schools and businesses to have to go on a search.
I think we need to take a good look at things to see how to best put them to use, not just assume the problem is exactly the same as when the rule was implimented.
I do not know the situation in atlanta so I will withhold my judgement there, but join in the horror that gay rights are being taken away
I mean nebraska, right state fail on my part
No, but affirmative action won’t fix the race issue either. Affirmative action, by its very nature, implies that blacks need handouts in order to get anywhere in life. That black people are somehow less capable than other races of accomplishing anything worthwhile. So it basically reinforces some people’s racist ideas.
It’s going to take long enough for the ill-effects of 300 years of institutionalized slavery to wear off. Affirmative action is just making the social aspect take longer, and speeding up the financial aspect by laughably negligible amounts.
I would say that affirmative action by its very nature implies that the actual structure of society is racist and that people who are not born white need a policy in place that at least attempts to level the playing field. This is not because the people who aren’t born white are somehow less capable, but because the playing field is not level and it shouldn’t be the disadvantaged people’s responsibility to level it.
White people already get handouts. It’s called the Old Boy Network.
You didn’t pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, you got a pass in life because you’re of the “correct” race, so quit expecting people who have faced systemic discrimination their whole lives and who still face it now to be as successful as you have been with fewer advantages than you have had.
It’s not babying them, it’s evening the playing field. You know, we white people have had all the chances in the world to quit f?!king around with the lives of people of color and we show an astonishing unwillingness to do it without the government making us. So deal.
I agree for the most part. However, I’d like to take this opportunity to point out the lack of opportunity for many rural families of all colors who have just as few opportunities as inner-city minorities. They don’t have the tax base for a decent public school and can’t afford college, and there aren’t always scholarships available in these communities. It doesn’t matter how hard they may work, but they also miss out.
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Nice!
That’s painfully apt.
Good one. Of course it will do nothing to appease the “Hooray Magic Jesus” crowd who want to think that racism in this country just all of the sudden up and *POOF* disappeared with the advent of our first non-white president. It will make a lot of racism in this country easier to spot and thus mock it, marginalize it and maybe even truly move past it, but it isn’t dead yet.
I’ve seen numerous people state that now that Obama is going to be president they hope those minorities stop whining about racism. Um…what?
Because there’s still 56 million people who voted for McCain
Not all of them are racist.
Perhaps if the McCain/Palin campaign wasn’t based on division, ignorance and elitism. I’d concede the point. But really in the end that’s what they dredged to the surface. On one side it’s good. It has people talking about it. And, obviously, a great number of people denouncing it.
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But as long as there are millions of people who think and agree there are real Americans and then liberals. Real Virginians, then those Dems in the north, we’ve a way to go.
Still if some racism was dredged to the surface that doesn’t mean ALL were racist.
Never said they were all racist. Just said a significant number. Seeing how they were heavy into “othering” in this campaign, it is a creepily high number still.
What’s scary is hearing people claim that “most of those people voted for Obama just because they were afraid of being called racist.”
What’s even scarier is when the person saying it is your otherwise-intelligent father.
Do you know what the number is? I was wondering as I can’t find any stats on that… I don’t think it’s that high.
Actually it is more of an educated guess. How many times have we heard the Muslim argument. or Arab. Or a terrorist. How often was Real used to describe those who were going to vote McCain?
It was the us vs them mentality that really got to me. The campaign gave the feeling that holy jihad was going to happen if Obama got into office and hell, just look at the posters here. I’ve seen this mentality everywhere… Let alone people saying Obama got votes strictly because of white guilt. Ugh.
I don’t know what numbers to give you. You’ve had the same access to their campaign strategy that I had. I lack any further evidence if that doesn’t at least say something.
I don’t think the McCain campaign said Obama was a Muslim or an Arab, they did talk about his associations with Bill Ayers and some others. That isn’t racist. Still don’t think that you can definitively say that most that voted for McCain were racist.
I will be done with this after I say this. Significant =/= most. Stop saying that is what I am saying.
Ok, I dont think you can say even a significant amount who voted for McCain are racist. We really have no idea.
Yup. I’m Cajun. And live in Ohio. And one reason I won’t go home is I don’t want my daughter growing up thinking it acceptable to call people n—-rs and f—-ts. Because people still do that, still find Klan jokes funny, etc., down there.
My pawpaw… I loved him a lot, he was my favorite grandparent… he was watching a sports game one day on TV and Aretha Franklin sang the national anthem. He was OUTRAGED that “that n—-r” was up there on national TV jazzing up “The Star-Spangled Banner.” I was shocked. Never heard him talk that way before.
My mom CLAIMS she likes black people, is not racist, etc., but the first time she thinks one has crossed her, out comes the N-bomb.
It’s that kind of environment, multiplied 100fold because of the urban setting, in which the aftermath of Katrina was allowed to happen.
I know how you feel. My mom denies being a racist, but she always tells me I can’t marry or date black guys (she doesn’t know I find black hair and dark skin attractive). She’s convinced that all black guys will leave you once you get knocked up.
A lot of people on McCain’s side seemed to be promoting racism by saying Obama was a Muslim or an Arab. So what if he was? This is the US of A, and one of our first amendment rights is freedom of religion. It sickens me that people use “he is an arab/Muslim so I don’t like him”. Maz Jobrani was talking about it on Spike Feresten last Saturday, and he said “You might as well say you won’t vote for him because he’s black”. Jobrani is wise.
“She’s convinced that all black guys will leave you once you get knocked up.”
This is one of those statements which, while being racist, demeaning, and vile, still has the unfortunate trait of being statistically too likely for comfort.
That’s the problem. Assuming there’s no more racism b/c we have a black president means fewer of us will fight when we see it in action. We’re going to fall behind b/c we feel CONTENT. I know loads of people (sadly) who voted for “that n*gger” just b/c they want their kids home from war.
Yeah, that pissed me off. But didn’t surprise me much.
Affirmative Action is racist! All it does is create race as a factor where is does not have to be. Granted, it balances out certain race ratios (racios?) but it also results in less qualified people being hired due to race. I know that is how it was before AA but I would like to think we are a little more progressive now. However, AA does need to be phased out, but maybe Nebraska was not the best state to begin this in.
Affirmative action is a CORRECTIVE to racism. Let me guess, you’re white too. Shut up. You’re embarrassing me.
So you’re saying that a law requiring race to be a factor corrects racism? I agree it has good intentions and positive results but it is inherently racist.
Also, “shut up” is a poor rebuttal.
California is the first state to make gay marriage illegal after making it legal. Totally wrong. Minority rights should not be determined by majority rules.
Oh yeah, prop eight passed….I’m sad, and everyone at Pride was so sure it wasn’t gonna pass….I mean, it’s Cali, where the (i guess you would call it) Gay Movement started, and I mean well, shit, they have SAN FRAN!
do you have statistics for that? Cuz we were busting our butts calling, hanging signs, knocking on doors… can’t say I know ANYONE who wasn’t registered and didn’t vote. By the way, my spouse and are are one of the 18,000 couples who got married before the election and are now in legal limbo. Let me tell you about “it makes me so f*cking angry.”
We have Columbus here in Ohio with a large gay community and we passed a “defense of marriage” act anyway. *angry*
Yeah, I felt kinda bipolar on election night.
I wonder what they think of straight people, claiming to be Christians or whathaveyou, that sexually abuse kids/keep them as slaves/kill people/etc.
This is not a hate message towards anyone, just a disgustingly common observation.
And I’m soooo using the Narnia thing. *steals*
i prefer “he’s so far in the closet he’s finding last years christmas presents”.
Yeah, I know what you mean. Because if Aslan finds him and eats him because he is such a s?!thead, the poor lion will have major indigestion.
Is it ironic in this case that The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe has been called a Christian allegory, or just a coincidence?
Does make ya wonder. Also how they missed all those handy bible quotes I referenced below too…
That caption is teh awesum!
Ah, nice to see them putting Love thy Neighbor, Judge Not, and Ye who is without Sin quotes into practice…
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Oh wait, nevermind.
That’s always the first thing I think when I see people like that. It’s like they pick and choose which parts of Christianity they want to apply.
I bet they skimmed the rest of Leviticus and didn’t realize that Paul isn’t God.
“Cafeteria Christians”
1) The Average person is Average.
2) Christians are People
.’. The Average Christian is Average.
Since people in general aspire to be better than Average, but the Average ones fail at it:
3) The Average person is a Bad person.
2) [see above]
.’. The Average Christian is a Bad Christian.
It’s a simple matter of generalities. When judging a group, I think we should look not at the average, but at the goal of the group.
fantastically put
it’s called the buffet bible. OOOOhhh I want that and this but i dont like that because it offends me, and some of that to throw across the table and….
And yet it is the parts that espouse tolerance and unity that seem to offend.
The parts that justify prejudice, hatred and division are the parts that get embraced. WTF?
“And yet it is the parts that espouse tolerance and unity that seem to offend.
The parts that justify prejudice, hatred and division are the parts that get embraced…[by idiots.]”
I corrected this for you.
“Hmm, I think I’ll take the masturbation, but spilling the seed in another dude would send me straight to hell…”
“Howsabout we say that Jesus made it okay to eat shrimp and bacon, and wear mixed-fiber clothes, and allow for shaving and tatoos and women wearing pants… but I don’t like the idea of being done up the pooper, so let’s keep that illegal.”
I still admire the theory that homophobia is linked to misogyny: men not wanting to be treated like women.
For Narnia!!!!
How’d this one get past the voting page, I remember voting this one down like 8 times.
I has a sad…..
because the rest of us voted it up 8 times.
Ahh, democracy works again
Why, is that you in the picture, darling?
Don’t feed the troll, Ceefax… then they follow you home, and you have to call the dog warden to come snag them and take them back to t pound where they belong… it doesn’t end well.
I find two shots, close together, just behind the right ear does the job far better than all that ‘dog catcher’ nonsense… although I’d never do it to a dog.
I have to say, the demons that have possessed gay men should be pretty low down the agenda. Call on the power of Christ to oust the demons which cause people’s heads to spin round and vomit green stuff everywhere. If there’s any holy water left, THEN concentrate on the demons that make guys rollerblade and wear sleeveless t-shirts.
Rollerblading and sleeveless shirts make a person gay? O_O
Well I don’t rollerblade but I have been known to wear a sleeveless shirt, black if it matters. Lynn loves it.
Can we spare some for the Mullet Demons also? Thx.
Oh, God, I hate Mullet Demons! Cast them out!!!
The power of GreatClips compels you!
I lol’d, win.
The caption makes it perfect
So far in the closet he can see Narnia… and he has a secret crush on Mr. Tumnus.
Yeah, but Tumnus us hung like a goat. what’s not to love?
Well for starters, he’s a Baaaastard.
Oh, come on! He’s not that baaaaad.
Only if you like it really Haaaard.
[grins sheepishly]
Don’t be Baaashful… >_>
Lets not fleece this pun thread like the others…
Hoof it if you can’t horn in.
Aye hopes ewe r properly sheepish over that.
Hehe, after the call I just had with Lynn, my brain is too lustfilled to think about anything coherently other than tonight. Which will be interesting since I am at work for another five hours.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! i SPEWED COFFEE ON MY COMPUTER!
and a tongue that reaches the parts you usually just dream about.
Stop it, ur making me horny!=)
We may be possessed by demons, but we have a hell of a lot more fun than those ppl holding the signs…
That might be half their problem, Mr. Bass.
I’m tired of the fallacy that anyone who disagrees with a homosexual’s lifestyle choices is some sort of closet homosexual. Its just as stupid as implying that that Atheists are closet religious fanatics because they hate religion.
For the record, I don’t hate people who choose to have a homosexual lifestyle. What a person does in their private life is that person’s own business as long as they are not a danger to themselves, their community, or their environment.
Aside from the whole “it’s not a choice thing”, there’s a large difference between not agreeing with the practice of male/male or female/female sex and saying that people who do are possessed by demons.
That’s like a Jew saying that pepperoni pizzas were made by Satan. Sort of.
??? Wouldn’t a Jew say that the pizzas with ham and bacon are made by Satan? The whole “pork isn’t kosher” thing, yknow?
Isn’t that what pepperoni’s made of?
As far as I can tell, pepperoni is made entirely of salt.
and grease
As far as I can tell, pepperoni is made entirely of salt.
lol
Quit smoking?
Your question made me realize that I had absolutely no idea, so I checked Wikipedia:
Pepperoni is a spicy Italian-American variety of salami usually made from beef,[1]
So now we know.
The pepperoni in my fridge is made from: Pork, beef, salt, spices, dextrose, lactic acid starter culture, flavorings, oleoresin of paprika, sodium nitrate, BHA, BHT, citric acid.
MMmmmm….BHT….
I was thinking the lactic acid starter culture was the best one on the list… At least the first two ingredients are meat.
Lactic acid start culture sounds like a wet N wild Friday night to me!
I think the oleoresin of paprika would be better. What is that anyway, greased paprika?
simply put: it’s the resin left behind from cooking off the essential oils of paprika.
ignore that, i’ll move it….
okay i officially failed… ><
The combination of lactic acid starter culture (milk based) and beef makes the pepperoni as unclean as pork would, I think.
LOL you typed out the label on your pepperoni.
LIES! Pepperoni is totally not beef. Depends on who makes it, though, I guess, though of course meat+cheese pizza isn’t kosher anyway.
And to be technical, ANY meat and cheese together would be bad…
Even so, any meat on a cheese pizza would be considered non-kosher.
I disagree with the notion that “it’s not a choice”. Theres no hard evidence that people who practice homosexual lifestyles are biological hardwired to choose a particular lifestyle. Even if there was, ultimately its up to the individual to choose whether to act on those impulses or not. Humans are hardwired to eat as much as possible whenever possible, but no one says obese people are merely following their biological hardwiring. Stop making excuses and take responsibility for your own actions.
I disagree with the intolerant person in the caption, and fully believe he deserves ridicule as delusional for even believing that people whose lifestyle choices don’t sit well with him are possessed by demons. I’m just tired of the fallacy that people who disapprove of certain lifestyle choices are closet practitioners of that lifestyle choice. Let it die please.
Listen to propaganda, much? Just two random facts:
- For 50% of people who are homosexual and have a twin sibling, the other twin is homosexual, too. That pretty clearly hints at genetic factors.
- There are are animals that while clearly homosexual do not make lifestile choices.
If anybody has some links to better evidence handy, please hand it to the moron.
I can make up statistics too and cite them as “facts”.
I actually look forward to you or anyone else providing this better evidence you speak off, because I genuinely want to know how your minds tick.
Either way though, you completely ignored my comment that humans are hardwired to eat whenever and wherever, but choose whether or not to act on those impulses.
Once again, I believe there is nothing wrong with choosing to act on impulses that are part of a homosexual lifestyle. I’m not some sort of GLBT hating person.
Personal attacks don’t advance your agenda very well, by the way. Theres no need to get violent. I believe discussions can be held in a civil manner.
OK, where to start….
a) I do not have an agenda other than I hate the guts of people who choose to ignore evidence to further their stupid believes.
b) For me the very defition of moron is somebody who chooses to ignore facts to further his supid believes. In that sense I just stated the obvious.
c) The level of judgement about other people’s lives your pathetic posts display are in and of themselves a violation of civility. The ridiculous claim that you do not hate homosexuals is moot, given that in summary your position is: I do not hate you if you negate what you are.
d) http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12465295 just for starters.
e) BTW I do not claim that you choose to be a moron, perhaps it’s genetic.
I’m sure your barrage of personal attacks make you feel better in some capacity.
It does not however, make for a very convincing argument for your case.
Grow up, get a job, get a life.
I’m sure your plethora of personal attacks as well as your tendency to make baseless assumptions are welcome in all enlightened conversations everywhere.
I’m done with this conversation. Its obvious you have nothing to offer beyond petty insults.
He gave you links to show that he makes no assumptions, he is
facts. You CHOSE not to read what was in those links. Now that is
a choice. Pathetic much?
I think you’re seeing things through polarizing glasses.
Any objective observer can see he’s made a ton of personal attacks. I tend to not pay attention to people who can’t get their point across without resulting to name calling.
Either way after listening to the more enlightened people here, I am willing to concede that the possibility exists that the brain is hardwired for certain things (such as what triggers feelings of arousal). I believe that a person should however, take responsibility for those actions irregardless of what impulses triggered said actions.
As on objective observer I will have to say you made a personal
attack on gays to start this whole thing off by speaking for themas
to why they are, the way they are.
I too, however, believe (and thats the key word ‘believe’)that
stating anyone who disagrees with a gay lifestyle is in the closet.
But clearly… this was not stated in the lol, and so far everyone who
has claimed that someone else is in the closet, cites outrageously,
almost painfully obvious behavior. Pure homophobia nothing else,
and research SHOWS that over half of those dispalying
homophobic tendencies are themselves, homosexuals….
not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Hell, both of them need to grow up.
wanna talk paradoxical belief? Ok, fine:
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Every system of explanation that is worth a grain of salt is inherently paradoxical (note: not contradictory, there’s a difference). Alchemy, Yoga, Christianity, Quantum Physics, Special Relativity, mythological systems, Richard Dawkins, Marijuana or other Entheogen usage, and so on. Paradox is the only way to explain anything to the Human Psyche in precise terms, because all other forms of explanation fall short of being precise and exclusive to alternative possibilities for the occurrence they attempt to explain.
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Define a chair, for instance, in terms that apply only to chairs, and no to stools or tables or boxes, but only chairs. It’s impossible, and “definition” is only the simplest form of explanation.
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In the same way we can’t explain anything, we really can’t predict anything: it’s all statistics, and we have no way of knowing, of being certain, of a predicted event.
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It is precisely because of this inherent sort of proto-randomness that Seth comment below (november 6th, 2008 at 11:42am), the one about Causality, makes so little sense as well. There is no causal relationship, but only two commonly coinciding events.
*Points at Hume, gestures at Jung, smacks you with Wittgenstein, then maops up with a sponge made of Peirce*
*mops, among other things.
First, humans are NOT hardwired to eat as you say. They are hardwired to eat until their blood sugar level rises. You simply don’t understand how ‘choice’ works. Free will is not an uncaused cause. It is a part of the unbroken chain of cause and effect. For instance, you can’t choose to do something you don’t know about. Knowing you have a choice is one precondition to making that choice. There are infinite other preconditions, and if they aren’t met, you can’t make that choice.
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Twin studies do show that homosexuality has a genetic component. Links cause PK to eat your post, so I will just ask you to google, “twin studies homosexuality” and you will find the evidence you seek. Mounds of it. The same is true of homosexuality in animals, google “animal homosexuality” There is a reason for it. Homosexuality is genetically advantageous. It creates peer bonds, adding to social cohesion, and it allows young and inexperienced animals a chance to experiment with sexuality with familiar equipment. This can lead to better breeding success later.
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Don’t pick and choose your evidence to suit your theories, that is intellectual dishonesty. Google is your friend, use it to find facts before making statements that are easily disproved, unless you like looking like an uninformed bigot who holds onto theories for personal reasons and despite all facts to the contrary.
If people only ate based on what their body needed, there would be no obese people. Being obese (while not always the case) usually implies eating more than what your body needs. People can choose not to act on those impulses their body sends them to keep eating after they’re full. Do you disagree with this?
I’m of the opinion that humans at least, are self-aware. They can choose whether or not to act on impulses their body is sending them. Is this faulty thinking?
I actually will look into these studies you speak of at a later date. I’m curious what the justifications are for the idea that its biologically hardwired. Not that I’m denying the possibility: its completely plausible to me that its true.
Not only is sexuality hardwired, it is made up of several hardwired components. The most obvious is sexual attraction, whether you are attracted to
women’s or men’s bodies. But there is also emotional and mental sex. You could be a man, hardwired with a woman’s emotions and intellect, but still be attrcted to women. And by ‘women’s intellect,’ I simply mean a brain more attuned to social interaction than to computing the trajectory of thrown weaponry.
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You can choose whether or not to act on certain impules, depending on your training. For instance, that Vietnamese monk who immolated himself could choose to ignore his body’s very definite impulses to scream in pain, but that took years if not decades of mental training. Preconditions need to be met. You couldn’t choose to do what he did, without his training, I guarantee it.
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The illusion of free will is simply that, an illusion. Modern theories of cognition show that the brain makes decisions way before consciousness is even aware of the choice. The choice is a story that the conscious mind makes up after the fact, to fit the actions taken into an acceptable framework. Some interesting experiments with split-brain individuals prove that.
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These people have had their corpus callosum cut to prevent severe epilepsy. The left and right brain halves literally can not communicate. What one eye sees, only half the brain knows. The experiment proceeded as follows:
1. Each hemisphere was presented a picture that related to one of four cards placed in front of the split-brain subject. The right hemisphere saw the picture on the left (a snow scene), and the left hemisphere saw the picture on the right (a chicken foot). Both hemispheres could see all of the cards.
2. The left and right hemispheres easily picked the card that related to the picture it saw. The left hand pointed to the right hemisphere’s choice, and the right hand pointed to the left hemisphere’s choice.
3. The patient was then asked why the left hand was pointing to the shovel. Only the left hemisphere can talk, and it did not know the answer because the decision to point to the shovel was made in the right hemisphere.
4. Immediately the left hemisphere made up a story about what it could see — the chicken. It said the right hemisphere chose the shovel to clean out a chicken shed.
Choice isn’t what you think it is, because you are not what you think you are. You are not a little man inside your head, looking out through your eyes and listening through your ears. The sense of self is just another sense. If life is a movie, you are not a person watching that movie and making choices for the actors. ‘You’ are simply another track in the film, like the audio track. Nothing separate from the universe is watching and deciding.
In any case, while people, with training, may be able to ignore impulses, they can not change those impulses. You could not choose to be attracted to someone you are not attracted to. You could choose to act as if you attracted by them, but you would only be acting. You can’t change the underlying facts, and asking someone to go through life pretending to be something they are not is simply cruel.
Thank you being civil Seth. I appreciate that immensely.
We agree that the human mind is hardwired for particular things. I’m inclined to believe you that the possibility that sexuality is hardwired as well definitely exists.
I also believe that human beings should take responsibility for their own actions. If we don’t, we devolve into creatures who recurrently give in to our baser instincts.
There is no need for anyone to go through any training of any sort to deny themselves, if those impulses if those impulses don’t lead to anything harmful. People seem to think that I advocate the suppression of impulses that lead to what is considered a non-heterosexual lifestyle. I don’t, and hope that someday society sees it the same way.
What you call “hardwiring” is merely the inability to individuate from a certain specific set of desires.
Know what “normal” means? It’s from the greek root “Nomos.” It means “Abiding by Natural Law.” If homosexuality is abiding by natural law, then wy do homosexual animals die out of the population? It seems a little ridiculous to think that natural selection, the Id instincts, and homosexuality are all perfectly natural in their entirety.
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That’s why we’ve developed the ego and superego: to get over whatever instinctive urges that prevent us from continuing the species. So we developed artifical insemination, and are capable of using surrogate mothers and the like; fine. We’ve used an important part of our psyche to go beyond an ABNORMAL system of faulty reproduction, and made it possiblt to be more natural in a setting where we’d normally be forced to die out.
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In short, it’s not “hardwiring” it’s “faulty wiring.” Of course, I’m not saying it’s /Bad/. I’m only saying that it wouldn’t be NORMAL if we didn’t also have methods of continuing the species: hooray for complex minds.
you might be confusing the link between the bodies need to eat, and the endorphyns set of by eating. Eating is a pleasurable experience and releases endorphyns into the brain, there are certain personalities which will take advantage of this, just like they can with any other pleasure giving activity.
Those that are obese purely because they over-eat are usually those with addictive personalities and the food is in fact their addiction. It is not as hard an addiction as drugs because the body is using it’s own chemicals to stimulate feelings, as opposed to the drugs replacing the chemicals and blocking the endorphyns.
If you look into the data you will find there are a number of animals, even the fruit fly (I believe that’s the fly species) that partake in homosexual activities. Parakeets, two females will spurn males and court one another (I have a pair of lesbien birds who completely ignore the resident male) which puts into question the animals choice, especially when you think of their main objective as procreation
There are also people who are obese because they found obesity to be a way that they could ‘hide’, usually from the adults who physically or emotionally abused them.
And then there are the hormonal disorder which we know can cause obesity: polycystic ovarian disease, hypothyroidism, and cushings’, just to name the top 3. We are finding out more and more that there are other hormonal factors which can go awry and cause a person to gain weight not consistent with their food consumption or activity levels.
I don’t have a link, but I am a Human Sexuality major, and we of course have studied homosexuality. Homosexuality tends to exist within the same percentage of people, regardless of lifestyle, race, region, or time. Even transvestites (which are incorrectly viewed as all gay) tend to only have a 10% chance of being gay. When a statistic remains equal no matter what the environment is, it is a sure sign that there are genetic factors at play.
Also, apparently someone found the gay gene. I would need to watch Religulous again to find out the guy’s name. I wish they explained that more.
And to Seiber, humans are not made to eat as long as there is food. That would mean that all of America would have eaten themselves to death. Eventually, your stomach will tell your brain that it is full, and your body can create a gag reflex if you try to eat too much. Obese people are either people that eat really bad food, eat even though their body tells them to stop, or both. Obese people are actually the people that are going against nature, not those that stop eating even though there is food in the house.
There is also new evidence that the brain’s pleasure center in some obese people works differently than for people of healthy weight. I’d have to dig up a link for you if requested, because I don’t remember what journal this came from off the top of my head. But in sum, for most people eating stimulates the pleasure center of the brain, and once that center is satisfied, as well as other factors, the person no longer feels compelled to eat. For some with obesity, however, that pleasure center is not as sensitive and takes more food to be satisfied. So someone in that scenario might eat more, not because they are hungry or even because they lack teh willpower to not eat, but because the brain is still not sated.
Oh yeah, I read about that. Some say that it also has to do with what kind of foods stimulate the pleasure centers more. I can’t remember what there are, but there are two different types of people with different taste categories. Do you remember what they are, because I can’t? Basic psychology was one of those classes I really didn’t pay attention to all of the time.
To quote Freud: “What is exotic becomes erotic.” For obese persons, as you’ve pointed out, food stimulates the pleasure center stronger; for gays, those of the same sex do that. Doesn’t mean it’s normal, or something to be proud of, to be Fat, does it?
Actually, there’s a ton of scientific evidence for it, including the fact that gay women’s brains are more like male brains than female brains and that homosexual people respond differently to male and female pheromones than heterosexual people. So you may disagree, but science does not.
I don’t think it’s that they’re accusing all people who disagree with homosexual sex to be closet cases, it’s that anybody who’s as frantic and loud about it as the guy in the picture probably has a few issues of his own.
I’d like to see this scientific evidence if you don’t mind. Even in studies, some researchers are pressed to extrapolate results that are in favor of a sponsor’s agenda irregardless of the data presented. I’d love to read it myself. See: violent video games turn people into cold blooded killers.
I agree that man has issues. He’s arguably delusional. Doesn’t mean hes a closet homosexual though. Thats why I call it a fallacy. Deride him for his intolerance, but stamping a baseless label on him would be sinking to his level.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation
Wikipedia references and has links to many useful studies.
Yes, but look at how many rabid anti-homosexual fundamentalists have been discovered to be gay/found having gay sex/come out of the closet in recent years. As a psychologist, I find this to be an interesting correlation and would not be surprised if the man in the picture was part of this trend. When you’re told all your life that being gay is bad, you feel the need to fight even harder if you yourself feel attraction to members of the same sex.
Ooh, another psychologist. Read this: What is exotic becomes erotic. Sound familiar?
Sounds trite.
It was; i was in a bad mood from reading the sign the idiot is holding in the picture again. Sorry Seiber.
I can’t help but wonder what studies have been done regarding bisexuality. GOOGLE TIME!
or, like Gustave, you could throw a controversial position out there and then demand that everyone who disagrees with you provide proof of their position. It beats doing research yourself.
So how about we put this theory to the test. How about you ignore your own sexual impulses and go “choose” bump uglies with someone of the same sex and then tell me that homosexuality and heterosexuality is a choice.
Last time I checked, sexual arousal wasn’t really a choice, it’s biological. So when a man gets an erection from another man, but cannot from a woman, I’m inclined to say that it has something to do with biology and genetics. I can sit here all day long and choose to be sexually aroused, doesn’t mean it’s going to happen.
Do you fully understand how the human mind works? Do you know every single thing in the universe that causes arousal?
Just because there are people who never get aroused by members of the opposite
sex in their lifetimes does not necessarily mean that there is no member of the
opposite sex who could arouse them. Thats why there are people who ‘go straight’
after some time, as well as Bisexuals.
Aroused or not, its still up to the person to choose whether to act on those impulses.
I don’t know how many times I have to repeat this: I do not condemn people with a homosexual lifestyle. I am not against them. I’m only against the fallacy that people
who disagree with such lifestyles are closet homosexuals.
Do you honestly believe that YOU ‘fully understand how the human mind works?’
Do you honestly believe that you KNOW ‘why there are people who ‘go straight’ after some time?’
Do you honestly believe that you know the cause of bisexuality?
Do you have any concept of how arrogant you appear?
What about that those that “go gay” late in life – like the 45+ year old woman I work with who met her now-partner five years ago. First same-sex relationship she’s ever had. She’s been married, has several kids, and never thought of herself as gay, but she fell in love with a woman.
You dont have to repeat it anymore. No one’s saying you condemn it. We’re saying when it comes to what causes homosexuality, you’re lost.
So its ok, no one here is calling you a gay basher. We’re calling you ignorant
to the understands of what makes up the homosexual nature of some people.
Thats all.
ignorant to the understandings*
yay for typos!
Rather than argue about whether it’s a choice, how about we argue over whether it’s anyone else’s goddamn business?
Oh, and just so you know, the vast majority of rabid homophobes I’ve known personally later either came out of the closet or were forced out. Now, I concede (happily) that I don’t know enough rabid homophobes to have a statistically valid sample, but it has to be a pretty common phenomenon in order to occur in as random a sampling as I’ve encountered.
I wholeheartedly concur that what you practice in your private life is your own business.
Anecdotal evidence doesn’t make something true.
Larry Craig, for example
Or Ted Haggard.
I don’t usually post here, but I have to speak up on this one. How exactly do you define a homosexual “lifestyle”? Living with someone of the same gender? Kissing him/her? Boinking?
I ask because I am a lesbian who really doesn’t understand how people can still buy this crap. I can’t give you hard scientific evidence, all I have to offer is my experience. I’ve known several lesbians and gay men who have spent a period of years celibate, including myself. None of us stopped identifying ourselves as LGBT. So, what exactly is the “homosexual lifestyle”? My doctor who’s been with his partner for 15+ years? A sexually inactive woman who identifies as lesbian?
It’s not a choice. I’ve had sex with two men, both of them very good friends at the time. It was awful. I cannot imagine anything making me ever want to do so again. Is being with the opposite gender a lifestyle “choice”? If so, is a straight person who’s celibate living an “asexual lifestyle” or is he or she still straight? There are many animals who are homosexual. It is found everywhere in nature, and has been through out history.
And for what it’s worth, I agree that it is a broad generalization to state that all rabid homophobes are in the closet – but I’ve yet to meet one that wasn’t.
We do tend to fear that which we do not understand, and to hate in others that which we most hate in ourselves. Just sayin’.
it is a broad generalization to state that all rabid homophobes are in the closet
- Perhaps this is how I should have worded it? Its still a fallacy though. I think its morel ikely that homophobes cannot understand the homosexual lifestyle and thus fear it.
We do tend to fear that which we do not understand.
- Agreed.
hate in others that which we most hate in ourselves.
- Disagreed. (Some) Republicans don’t hate Obama because he’s like them. Quite the opposite.
I did say “tend to” not “are guaranteed to”. True enough we also can hate things that are in fact quite the opposite. But, psychologically speaking, we *do* tend to react most strongly to those qualities in others that we do not want to, or are patently unwilling to, acknowledge in ourselves.
Again, please define for me “homosexual lifestyle”. And stop ignoring the facts in front of your face. Separate but equal is, inherently, NOT equal.
Where did I say there was something seperate? What facts did I ignore? I agree that seperate but equal is inherently equal, but where did I say there was something that makes anything unequal?
There is nothing wrong with acting on impulses that define either a homosexual or heterosexual lifestyle. I believe I’ve stated that before, but I suppose it was in other words.
Well, I was just standin’ here,
and Gustave locked himself in the closet,
asked myself why won’t Gustave come out the closet,
and nobody has no answers
and so I PULL OUT MY GUN!
TELL ME WHY GUSTAVE IN THE CLOSET
OR ELSE I’M GONNA SHOOT SOMEONE!
Its even funnier when you picture R. Kelly singing it.
I’m a bisexual who is not having sex and doesn’t have any plans to have sex in the near future. Am I in the “bisexual lifestyle”?
Science says you’re wrong, if you believe that.
Click on my name for one article. And if that’s not enough – which we all know it won’t be – Google “Science of homosexuality” and ignore what you read to your hearts content. Do some of your intellectual work for yourself.
I get the feeling you don’t care whether homosexuality is caused by genetics or not. But what the hey, I’ve misjudged people before.
I’m of the opinion that humans are self-aware, and can choose whether or not to act on impulses being sent by their body.
I’m not even sure how it got to this: My original point was that people who hate the homosexual lifestyle like the guy in the above caption are intolerant, but that does not equate to them being closet homosexuals. Thats a fallacy.
I do not condemn the homosexual lifestyle. How many times do I have to say this?
See you just proved my point. Now that I’ve given you scientific evidence that homosexuality is genetic you say, hey but they can resist it. Do you walk around tell ng heterosexuals they should resist their impulses? There’s an implied bias in there.
And as far as ragging on the douchebag in the photo. The point is no one cares if it’s a logical fallacy. It’s funny. This is a comedy site, not high school debate.
I don’t tell anyone to resist their impulses. To do so would imply that I condemn what a particular person does in their private time, which I’ve stated a dozen times I don’t. If one wishes to act on their impulses, they are free to do so as long as they don’t harm themselves, others, or their environment. Please don’t put words in my mouth.
Unfortunately, majority of the people here seem to think I do. What gave them the idea, I don’t know.
My opinion is its not funny because its hinged on a tired old fallacy. We agree to disagree on that issue.
OK OK enough Debate Time with Gustave.
He made a mistake by adding
‘I disagree with the notion that “it’s not a choice”. Theres no hard evidence that people who practice homosexual lifestyles are biological hardwired to choose a particular lifestyle. Even if there was, ultimately its up to the individual to choose whether to act on those impulses or not.’
to an otherwise agreeable post, but c’mon I think you guys have made your point. XD
once would suffice, if you’d say it in a low tone rather than grabbing us by the lapels and shouting in our faces.
Do you think you could choose to be gay then – and you would be completely attracted to people of the same sex and never even look at the opposite sex sexually again? I ind that very hard to believe. Some people are bisexual yes; but they still do not consider that a choice – love is love. You cannot choose who you fall in love with.
If gay people can choose to be straight like you say, I’m sure there would be a lot less gay people in the world. Y’know, what with unequal marriage rights, possible abandonment by friends and family, religious hatred being poured down on you at every turn, hate crimes; and in less developed countries even imprisonment and death. Yet somehow there are still gay people being imprisoned and killed in these countries. Do you truly believe that they could CHOOSE to be straight if they wanted to?
Actually, the only thing I choose is to live authentically, as myself, and only myself, as I am.
Vive ut Vivas!
So what you’re saying is, you look at men and think, “hmm, yeah, I could go for some of that! Oh, no, wait, I think I’ll just stick with the women, preacher told me it will get me into heaven.”
Seriously, everyone who thinks it’s “just a choice” probably *is* a closet case, because they’re projecting their thoughts on the rest of us.
I, on the other hand, don’t find men sexually appealing at all. It seems obvious to me, therefor, that gay men must be wired differently from me. No one could feel the way I do about the little redhead who serves me my coffee and then say, “Meh, I think I’ll settle for a boy instead”
Gustave, you’re a douche.
Show me biological evidence that my favorite color is yellow, and that my least favorite smell is skunk.
“Stop making excuses and take responsibility for your own actions.”
It’s not an excuse, you moron, and if gay people replaced that “explanation” with a new one (say, “We’re gay because we want to be”) you’d rain on that parade, too. Let it die please, indeed!
It’s the smelt it dealt it theory. It’s meant to be funny. You’ll find that it’s frequently, though of course not exclusively, true though.
Wait wait wait. Why is NO ONE picking up on the “Atheists are closet religious fanatics because they hate religion” comment?! I realize Gustave was trying to make an analogy and he really doesn’t believe atheists are closet religious fanatics, but what is with the atheists hate religion thing? Since when? Definition of atheism fail.
He might have meant “militant atheists” along the lines of Dawkins?
I think Jane, you’ll find most folks like to drop titles like names… most of time not
knowing the connotation that they carry… or what the word actually means.
Prime example: Socialism, Communism, and this forum….
Oh since I mentioned it, my nose is huge.
Define religion.
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1) Atheism is a religion.
2) Fanatics are fanatics.
.’. Atheist fanatics are religious fanatics.
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So far so good.
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BUT Gustave went and used the word “closet” which implies that Atheist religion is somehow different from religion of other kinds (theist), and that they therefore secretly believe in (a) g(G)od. Don’t worry, Gustave is wrong.
You chose to like girls? Strange, I don’t remember having a choice in that… I’d not change it, but I don’t know that since I never had a choice. Valerie Leon, Caroline Munroe, Goldie Hawn… tongue marks on the carpet all the way down the line. Completely limbic. But it seems that I could have chosen to lust after Rock Hudson, rather than think Susan St James was really ‘rather nice’…
Who
Knew?
Hell, I am curious about that too. I remember being in an emotional limbo as a boy and tried things with my best friend only to be disgusted by them now. Even then, the sex was emotional and not based on attraction. I even remember refusing to look while the sex was going on. Like I said, it was a screwed up time in my life.
I always wanted a nice set of curves. Always. I don’t recall having a choice in that desire. Now my choice in eyes, hair, etc. Ya, that I can see as choice. I like certain features due to memories, mental relations to positive aspects in my life, etc. That I can see as conditioning and/or choice but the basic desire to plow the womanly fields, no. Not a choice. Not even close.
You can be confused but you can’t vacation in gay.
It’s not about disagreeing. There are plenty of people who disagree with homosexual lifestyle choices. They are called straight people. If they agreed with homosexuality they’d be out banging people of their own gender.
How many of us (not “they”, I’m straight too) actually go around holding up signs like this? Not many of us, anymore.
I saw this great comic strip recently where this homophobe fundie was praying about getting rid of gay marriage and God asks him what his problem is, since gays are all he ever worries about. He goes, “They’re just so disgusting.” God goes, “So’s drinking a glass of puke. Ever think about that?” The fundie allows as to how he hasn’t, really, and God says, “Fine. From now on, every time you think of the gays, think of drinking a glass of puke. And it has to be warm, now.”
I suggest you and all your little rabid homophobe friends (and you are, if you weren’t, you wouldn’t have defended this guy) do the same thing. Every time you think of gays, think of a nice, warm, smelly glass of puke. I expect you all to be out in force two years from now to pass anti-puke amendments in all your home states.
I don’t disagree with homosexuality, I’m saying that I’ve never wanted to screw anything except women. AND IT WASN’T A CHOICE, IT’S THE WAY I AM WIRED.
There are plenty of straight lifestyle choices I don’t agree with – swinging for instance. I’d not ban it, but it’s REALLY not my cup of tea. Swinging is a choice, the gender you want to swing with is not.
And that’s why most of these guys mention that they think being gay is not a choice but acting on that desire is. And technically speaking, that’s true. Personally, I’d rather sin a bit.
One of my friends honestly believes this. I’m pretty sure he’s gay.
SMITE THY DEMON!!!!!!!
is that like spanking the monkey?
my dad tried really hard to raise me to be homophobic. he spends a fair bit ov time listening to abba and the village people, and pays a lot more attention to his appearance than the vast majority ov the men i know….on the other hand, if he’s closeted, i don’t think he’s ever coming out.
Maybe he’s just metrosexual
The Village People and ABBA? I think that’s crossing over into homosexual. Actually, that’s so far crossed over it’s practically full circle back to straight again.
lol I’m gay and even I don’t listen to the Village people (I listen to ABBA though). Does he listen to the carpenters??
no, but he likes death in june (nazi-influenced folk music by a gay man, if you’re unfamiliar), and has walter carlos’ Switched-on Bach on vinyl…i’ve never quite been sure whether or not he’s aware that walter carlos became wendy carlos not too long afterwards.
Doubtful.
> Maybe he’s metrosexual.
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Probably the more logical conclusion. It was common back then for men to care about appearances, and even in tribes found today the chief usually wears something elaborate to signify his status. In fact, appearance is important even in the military where you’re punished if you look unkempt.
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Somewhere along the way, people decided that caring about appearance should be something exclusively female. The sooner we get rid of this ridiculous notion, the better.
My favorite is still that if you sing, dance, cook, clean, watch and participate in
theatre, you MUST be gay.
You wanna talk about a hit to your self esteem try being turned down in high
school, and the only reason given was “I thought you were gay.”
I always wanted to say “Well Im not, so how about that movie?” But I was usually
just too shocked.
Now I am totally disillusioned about male cohoreographers and interior designers. B)
*choreographers –spelling fail. 8|
I knew a choreographer back in my local community theater who never wore
shorts that made it past his crotch, a fanny pack and every time he pronounced
a word with an “s” it sounded like steam escaping… yet one day he brought
in his friggin BEAUTIFUL wife and two adorable children… Talk about mixed
symbols. To this day he’s the only man to completely throw off my gay-dar.
There’s a guy at my work that has the speech and mannerisms but has a new baby too. I swore he was gay for over a year. I’m not off very often, but there are some that slide a bit on the Kinsey scale.
I had a boss at MCI named Elvis who was married with kids. He also adored Britney Spears and put her stickers on my computer when I did well. I hated those stickers. His voice practically was born from the stereotype. But unless he is hiding something, he be straight.
Maaaaybe HE’S closeted.
No, probably not. I love guys who throw the gaydar off.
My taste for performing college musical theatre was down largely to it being a target rich environment for totty when I was 17-19.
Lynn is a theater geek. I do love a woman who can properly dress the part.
I was male rehearsal voice of choice back in my sordid youth…
Hey, that was at a Dennis Kucinich pep rally. Those are usually filled with the smartest people on earth – and beyond.
It appears that the subject of the photo is an exception to the rule. What threat do non-heterosexuals pose to the general populous?
I have yet to figure that out.
We know things.
according to a fax from some ultra-conservative group (i think pat buchana was involved) i saw a few years ago, we have an ‘agenda’. it seems to include warping the minds ov their innocent children and in some unspecified manner forcing heterosexuals to observe or participate in our (apparently) depraved activities. i recall an example over which they were especially outraged was the idea that schoolteachers are telling their students that homosexuality is okay.
I am probably the only one curious about what the people behind him are trying to say about Dennis Kucinich.
Nope, not the only one. Kucinich is awesome, one of the last real liberals left in the Democratic party.
My Grandma is all about Kucinich.
Yeah. Based on the crowd that sign holder is in, I was curious if the message was good or ill. Like if it’s an all fundie crowd or a mixed bag. I liked Kucinichs ideas on a lot of things. He was the only one brave enough to try to get Cheney impeached according to the “shall” be impeached thing in the constitution. He lost credibility over some silly stuff and people wouldn’t take him seriously after.
Unoriginality fail =P
Jimmy Carr reference win?
You’re a Brit too?
Nah, Canadian. But still a fan.
So, when do we get to vote on the legality of this moron’s marriage?
Socially backwards?! If I remember correctly, 50 years ago, you’d get your head bashed in for saying you were gay. Now, these “human rights campaigners” want to let them marry, adopt kids, try to tell them how babies are born, and let them loose in the world.
I’m so sick of hearing about you whiny gays not getting your “rights” you “deserve” as “humans.” Go home and read about how all organisms in history reproduce naturally. I oughta shove Leviticus down your filthy throat, you sub-humans. You’re all less than trash.
Jesus loves you, man. Everyone else thinks you’re a c***
Stop feeding the trolls!!! He’ll just grow too big for his mom’s basement if you keep it up.
I think his entire post can be summed up In the words of Shakespeare, as said by Robin Williams “Verily for my words do fall like feces to the ground, I shall get back forth and touch myself anon!”
You should check out the Reduced Shakespeare Company as well.
I hate to disagree, but I think he said it more aptly in ” Verilly, methinks he doth protest too much”…. Macbeth, I do believe? I’m inclined to think it’s a troll, who wrote that just to get a rise. I cannot honestly believe anyone would be that cruel, ignorant, or selfish. So, I cry TROLL. If by chance he isn’t a troll, perhaps I should reach out and Touch him?
Remember, you sow what you reap. You want to sow horse pooey and hate, go ahead. But be prepared for an afterlife full ”ripe” things.
And finally, what fu****g business is it of yours who someone sleeps with? Go ahead, call me a dyke. I’m not, but if I was, it would be your loss. I’ve lived through more shit than you can imagine. We fight for everyone’s rights, not just pompous a$$holes who get to troll for a rise. When it becomes your business who I sleep with, I’ll let you know. Till then, better get your inflateable doll ready- it’s gonna be a long wait.
Freakin crotchwaffle
I bet you spend a lot of time dreaming about shoving things down men’s throats, eh, cupcake??? *kissey kissey*
You’re right. All minorities should just feel lucky we don’t just bash their heads in.
Especially women. Stupid woman wanting to get out of the kitchen and work. She’s lucky I don’t just bash her head in.
The above is sarcasm.
I’ll pray for you. You might want to try reading the rest of your bible. I think you missed the love the neighbor and the judge lest ye be judged part.
I also think he missed the rest of Leviticus. It kills me how people misunderstand that story.
If you read it to understand the actual events, rather than to prove a point you’re already convinced of, it’s a whole different conclusion that awaits you. Sodom was destroyed not for homosexuality, but for gang-raping visitors (wish I could put that in bold). The leaders and citizens would band together, overpower visitors, and take turns with them. When the angels disguised as travelers came, the citizens tried to force the “hero” of the story, Lot, to turn the visitors over for a nice warm welcoming gang-rape. I put “hero” in quotes because of his solution.
Speaking of, since sdrawkcab, and so many others, are stuck on Leviticus, perhaps he (or she) would be willing to send his/her daughter out to be gang-raped next time someone comes a-callin’. Or did you miss that part too? His way of protecting the travelers was to offer up his daughter instead.
your kidding, right? indulging in some good-natured parody? because if you’re serious, you can thank whatever pitiful god you believe in that i don’t have the ability to track you down with an ice pick.
The problem with this is that a generation will grow up thinking this kind of trash is what Christians believe and what Christ stood for. Eventually said generation will grow up hating Christians because of their precieved belief of what we believe. They will not even want to listen to the truth. All I can say is that the Bible does not teach this. In fact, the the Bible calls for Christians to love all people, even our enemies. We are to love them, even though we abhor the act. It’s the same idea as if your brother did something wrong. You still love him, he’s your brother, but you don’t give approval to what he did. It saddens and angers me to see people who call themselves Christians in any way say that someone who chooses the homosexual pursuit is less than human. God says that these “Christians” will be the ones who will be judged most harshly (“Matthew 21:31 – Jesus said to them, “Truly I say to you that the tax collectors and prostitutes will get into the kingdom of God before you [pretentious religious elite].”). God’s word says that he loves the sinner, but hates the sin, and He calls us to do the same.
because people, being sheep, cant think for themselves.
of course!
thanks for proving that ^_^
Thanks for embarrassing Pagans everywhere who actually can think and respect other people’s religious beliefs. It actually takes more thinking for yourself to love someone even when you disagree with them, than to hate them because they’re not like you.
I think onions are disgusting, and if I were a Hare Krishna I would even think they were immoral, but I don’t hate anyone who eats them.
‘Respecting some one’s religious belief’ = Respecting folk with an imaginary friend called Dave
It really doesn’t say anywhere in Scripture “Love the sinner – hate the sin”. It just doesn’t. That is an interpretation and one that allows people a shield of intolerance and self-righteousness far more often than it expresses a theological point of view.
God is about being in relationships and if people respond to that, well and good. If people don’t know that, don’t understand that, don’t really trust that – well, the Christian’s work is laid before him/her. Work on the relationship. Leave the Christian Book Store sentiments out of it. Jesus was all about relationships. Follow that.
Link to snopes about the saying: msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=32;t=000471;p=0
Unsuccessful troll is unsuccessful
How’d this end up here? It was aimed at ‘sdrawkcab?!’
Troll:
To deliberately post false or controversial messages to gain attention for the sake of attention, usually from people who genuinely want to help. …
My message is neither false, though I admit I only wish to call attention to the truth.
I might also add how amazing well many of you have proven my point by very quickly posting other misconceptions about Christianity. It honestly causes me heartache to know that such lies are being touted as truth.
I too live in Indiana, and am appalled at how low we stoop to hurt a minority.
especially since im gay and want kids with whatever partner I choose.
Indy is the third world. always has been.
I LOLed…thanks for that. Needed it.
When-ever someone trots out the “you can choose to ignore your homosexual urges and act straight” argument, I get a big kick out of dragging out the old left-handed argument. When does a person choose to be left handed instead of right handed? You can force yourself to write right-handed, but every instinct and reflex you have will still be left-dominant. And reformed lefties have a host of problems from being forced to write right-handed. Oh, and then when I’m told “it’s not a choice, we’re just born left or right dominant” I trot out the fact that 40% of homosexuals are left-handed. (Canadian study in 2007, supporting previous studies. the biological link appears to be levels of stress hormones in the mother’s blood during 2nd trimester of gestation; which also seems to link with the differing brain structures and the pattern of index-to-ring finger proportions)
I don’t know why you trot out the “it’s not a choice” argument. You’re letting them control the argument. First off, religion is generally a choice, yet it’s protected by the Constitution. Second off, I’ve known a few queer-identified people who very much DID make choices about who they would be attracted to (up to a point) and who they would date. I’ve even heard one or two refer to being “turned” gay–and no, they weren’t homophobes.
There certainly is a degree of choice involved–if not for all LGBT then certainly many of them. And you know what? It’s just like the “Obama is a Muslim” thing–all the liberals were shocked and going, “No he’s not!” when the right answer was, “So f?!kin’ what?” You say that too. “So f?!kin’ what? Who cares whether I chose it? They’re not a kid, they’re not my relative, it’s a free f?!kin’ country and I’m not trying to take YOU home.” Just like that. Quit being defensive. There’s nothing to defend.
Doesn’t mean you can’t choose to go against your dirty left-handedness because you know it’s a sin!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!
Sad, so sad. For all you people who believe that homosexuality is purely genetic, you should run this through your mind. If homosexuality is purely genetic, then shouldn’t a larger percentage of the population have ALWAYS been gay? Note: There are a few gay people who are genetically gay but that is a thing nature sends someones way to reduce the population. After all, if babies are born but never have more kids, the population will go down. Not saying all gay people should die but saying they should live their lives and not force children to be gay. I am not homophobic, I just don’t think a minority should have special rights (civil unions are the same as marriage and it’s special to be given rights that have always been exclusive since animals began sexual reproduction). Also, the reason why Prop 8 passed is because other minorities went to the polls to vote for Obama and they hold firm beliefs about marriage so Prop 8 passed because most minorities wanted Obama.
Nobody here but trolls tonight. What gives?
Force children to be gay? I would love to see you come up with proof to back that up. That is one of the most idiotic things I believe I have ever seen on this board. I must have missed the memo letting the gay and lesbian population know that they all need to stop whatever they are doing and start forcing their children to become homosexual. Maybe if you say it out loud a few times you will realize how incredibly stupid it sounds.
“but saying they should live their lives and not force children to be gay”
force children to be gay? is this actually POSSIBLE? what, did you get the same conservative propaganda fax i mentioned earlier and swallow it whole? i honestly did not realise it was possible for people to be as mind-numbingly stupid as you’ve shown yourself to be and still have the ability to type.
and a civil union is NOT the same as marriage, and if you think it is, you’ve obviously never been denied a marriage and handed some second-rate consolation prize.
LOL – that loser’s ignorant “force children to be gay” comment reminds me of some items on the Gator “12 Reasons” SATIRE list:
#3: “Obviously gay parents will raise gay children because straight parents only raise straight children.”
#8: “Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people makes you tall.”
Also:
#12: “Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a “separate but equal” institution is always constitutional. Separate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as separate marriages will for gays & lesbians.”
My niece is 8 years old. I hope she’s not presently having sex with anybody. Do I have a problem?
Ha ha.
My daughter is 18 years old.. She firmly subscribes to the “save sex until marriage” concept, and she has a very chaste relationship with her girlfriend. The fact that she now can’t legally get married IS a problem.
woot for chaste relationships!
F****** Ahnold, allowing that travesty of a constitutional nightmare to appear on the ballot… It’s for couples like your daughter’s that I am disappointed.
Wow. Some people just enjoy attacking others because they have different opinions. Or insulting them which may lead to making them unable to speak which is also known as a form of fascism. But you’ll probably get mad at me for that too. Anyway, @mAlise, I was denied marriage to my girlfriend (I am a guy) and not given anything in return because of the government. But I still voted Yes on 8 yet I know what getting nothing is like. I also have 5 homosexual friends who all have partners but don’t want gay marriage. Explain that. Also, what about the school in Sac where they taught kids to be allies and they had a “coming out” day, too? Where are kids being taught in school to be allies to other minorities? Get some facts and I’ll listen. But call me a loser, troll, whatever, I won’t listen. / Uncle Fester, I read his comment below and I will listen and think about what he said. But also people, remember, this site was designed for laughs about political stuff. So treat things in a friendly way, not a arrogant “My opinion is the only opinion that’s right and whoever disagrees is a bigot and a hater” attitude.
I can explain a potential reason for your friends’ actions with a personal anecdote.
My own mother didn’t want to be eligible to marry her partner, because she made far more money than my mum, and this would have reduced the government benefits she could receive if they were recognised under the
law.
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Now before someone says something about welfare cheats, she was middle aged and suffered a disability that hospitalised her every few days, so a self supporting job was hardly an option
well I don’t think any of my friends have that problem. But I’ll ask.
I have a civil union. It sucks. There are a couple states where civil unions give pretty much the same stuff as marriages, but even if we all did that, separate but equal has never worked very well. I’m willing to let religions take marriage back for themselves as a sacrament if they want, so that all of us need to get a civil union for the legal, secular rights marriages currently afford…that way when the religious have to get both a religious marriage and a secular civil union to be married in front of god AND the state, they can’t whinge about gays wiggling into their holy union. It would take a lot more work than just letting gays get secularly married though, and it’d hurt a lot of feelings from the rest of us who believe in marriage as an institution of love rather than god’s blessing.
It doesn’t need to be genetic to be biological, there are some theories that it’s caused by being exposed to certain hormones in utero rather than actual genes.
Besides, evolution doesn’t work the way you think it does. If a certain percentage of a group is homosexual and does not reproduce, they can take care of the children of the ones that do, thus giving the group a better chance at survival.
They aren’t special rights. When gay marriage is legalized, straight people will also have the right to marry people of their own sex.
/agree to the genes-vs-hormones comment, the evolution comment, and the marriage comment.
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That’s 3 of 3! How rare! You win a Golden Number Three engraved with the words: “For That Time When 2 Kinds of Marriage Was Not Enough.”
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No, I’m not being sarcastic…but god, sure sounds like it after i reread it…
@Lord Death
Actually you’ll find that most herd animals have about a 1 in 10 rate of exclusively homosexual males in the herd. They’re handy since, despite NOT breeding, they don’t get involved in the whole mating politics, and thus act as early warnings (and in the case of primates, last line of defence) of the collective.
In primates, it has been found that Chimpanzee groups where there is the statistical norm or above does better than groups with a lower than average gay populace. The young males have an adult male to spar with, since the gay males don’t forage as far, they act as body guards for the females with young. In F-F couples, the one who takes the female role most often will mate with he alpha male when in season, and the F-F couple will share raising duties (and in some cases, feeding) They don’t breed every year, but it’s less of an issue since there is a lower infant mortality rate (again) The ‘Gays’ of the Chimpanzee world are not in a lower position in the group, and seem to be looked after by the foraging males, probably based on the fact they keep close to the group and are involved in child rearing. In some respects, the gay male chimp is the main male role model of the young males of the group, yet only 10% become ‘gay’…
God’s teeth, but people are loud, ignorant creatures… This is why I like cats.
Amen, and amen. And I especially love my little dyke of a cat, and my sweet little gay boy kitty. (For purposes of this conversation. I love all of my furkids tremendously).
And to add: There *has* always been a percentage of the human population that was/is gay. In some ancient cultures, in fact, gays and lesbians were very highly regarded. In some tribal societys, gays were often the sages/shamans/etc because they were male, but also attuned to things more feminine, like empathy and intuition. Homosexuality was openly practiced in Greece. Oh, yeah, the whole Isle of Lesbos bit, lets not leave that out. Just because we were driven underground, or into the closet, does not mean that we haven’t ALWAYS been around.
I’ve never actually asked my cat her preference, although she flies for Molly spitting like a harpy, and preens for Max (the other local cats on her turf)
Just something to note. I have 10 cats and I never thought of that behavior as homosexual, just dominance. Maybe that’s what it’s actually all about…
No, you’re just stupid since my anecdote about the cat clearly meant she wwas up for showing Max a good time… but then You’re pretty slow all round.
Homosexuality was not practiced in Greece; Do your homework.
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Pedophilia was practiced in Greece. Any man who wished to be penetrated was unnatural and weird. Any woman who wanted to was quite a bit off. Little girls are like small women, but little boys…they’re not really like small men, are they? They’re okay to have around, penetrate, and teach what it means to be a man some day. [/end history lesson]
Pederastic historical partial history win…
Awesome verbiage Win! Pederastic, i’ll have to log that one to the memory files….
The moral of the story is: Don’t take things out-of-context.
The less-applicable moral: Don’t say that sex with boys is okay when you really mean that sex with persons of the same gender is okay.
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As for Lesbos:
Lesbians are known as such from the poems of Sappho, who happened to have been born on Lesbos, and happened to write poems about women practicing tribadism.
It’s not based on any historical information, but on poetry. Oi, i don’t think I even need to say anything else beyond that, but here goes: dumbass.
Does it matter? In the grand scheme of things, should anyone REALLY care what goes on among consenting adults?
/agree.
I’ll just respond to the saner bit: why would more than 10% be gay? Only 10% of us are left-handed. And, yeah, it MIGHT be a natural defense against overpopulation. Nothing wrong with that.
Ha! That looks like Matthew Caldecutt – he is in the closet too!
Haha !
It’s just super this one :p
Ih here, first comment I ever put here, I just approach death by lolling about the caption, gigantic enormous, excellent ! LOL !
Oh God that looks like the Massachusetts State House…I didn’t think we really had crazies like that here. At least they failed to overturn gay marriage here. Way to fail, CA.
You know, the guy holding the sign is pretty cute….
I lol’d.
O____o The hell is wrong with you?
Liberal fail.
The guy holding the sign is possessed by Stupidity!
cheers to that!
A “large” percentage of the population has always been gay. But if you realized from a very young age that being gay left you open to ridicule, discrimination and possibly physical violence, would you go around telling people you were gay? I have always just assumed that is where people get the idea that someone “turns gay”, because they have lived a lie for years, i.e. marrying, having children, so no one will know. It may not be any less dangerous for people to admit it these days but more people are having the courage not to lie and pretend to be something they are not just to make others happy. Legalizing gay marriage is not going to endanger straight marriages. People don’t just wake up one day and think “Gee! I think I’ll go have relations with someone of the same sex today”. You are either gay or straight and no law is going to change that. Just for the record, I am straight but through my job in the Arts industry I have met made many gay friends, all of whom are just as nice, normal, generous, intelligent, etc. as anyone else. In fact, I’d venture to say that they are more intelligent because they don’t just assume that all people who are not gay are perverted child molesting demons.
Narnia is gay.
Oh snap!
Oh put a sock in it you damn Homophobes.
OMFG GAYS ARE NOT POSSEDET BY DEOMANS but yes the caption is true lol
Maybe you’ll meet a nice guy in the, oh I don’t know, restaurant management field some day
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I’m sure there’s a nice guy out there willing to home inseminate with a turkey baster. Are turkey basters illegal too? Couldn’t prove it….
Turns out, Jesus aka Aslan really likes the gays. Who knew?