(Unless thay are in a bathroom in the Minneapolis airport that is)

Reminds me of an old Doonesbury cartoon. A black man is working as an aid to a wealthy republican senator. He’s pulled over while driving through her neighborhood to deliver some papers, and the police start to harass him. After trying to explain that he’s not breaking the law, he finally hangs his head and says “This is definitely because I’m black, isn’t it?”

The police officer answers, “No, sir. Latinos are entitled to the same treatment.”

(ehe.. sry about the leet)

I’ve read many sources that seem to pretty definitively state that at least the 2000 election and probably the 2004 election were stolen. The votes were never counted accurately in 2000 (as has been exhaustively discussed elsewhere), and Diebold promised and delivered Ohio in 2004. You of course have the right to disagree; I will say, however, that the very fact that elections CAN be stolen is deeply disturbing to me.

“Can we not just be happy that the guy is finally gone after Jan 20th, and good riddance?”

I’m happy about that, but I don’t think it makes the last 8 years un-happen. My point in replying to the original poster was that Bush, as contrasted with Obama, has actually been in office and done things that were worth pissing and moaning about, and so the analogy was not a valid one.

“If the Democrats had bothered to put up someone worth voting for in either of those elections”

I’ll certainly grant that both Gore and Kerry ran generally half-assed campaigns, and that each made their fair share of mistakes. Whether or not they were worth voting for is a matter of opinion. My opinion is that just about anyone short of an axe murderer would have been worth voting for if it kept Bush out of the driver’s seat, and everything he has done or failed to do in the past 8 years has not only reinforced my opinion, but actually been worse than my worst fears.

RE the “why can’t you just get over it?” issue, which I’ve heard and read many a time: up until two weeks ago, I think Jon Stewart expressed it best when he said, “How can we get over it? He’s still here!” Getting over a fair and square election that didn’t go my way is one thing, getting over a subversion of democracy is quite another.

“I know that I simply am looking forward to being represented to the rest of the world, by someone (a) who can speak full sentences, (b) knows how to make those sentences up himself if need be, (c) doesn’t piss off every other nation in the world with his arrogance, and (d) FFS, is the first goddamn black president in the history of the country!!!!”

Agree wholeheartedly. Amen and hallelujah to that!! What’s FFS?

Both want to continue war.

Both were/are for the bailout (and stooges of the private corporation The Federal Reserve)

Both are members of CFR.

Both are for Big Govt

I wonder how they stand on the NAFTA/The North American Union? (No press even seemed to get an that out as a question, let alone an answer.)

Um, yes.

If and when Obama blatantly steals at least one and possibly two elections, ignores warnings so that an attack occurs on American soil, attacks a sovereign country for profit and/or spite, appoints his unqualified cronies, takes us from a fair-sized budget surplus to a huge deficit, strips away Constitutional rights, bungles the handling of a natural disaster and its aftermath, etc. etc. etc., I’ll piss and moan plenty about it, and I would hope everyone concerned for the well being of our country would speak up, too.

As of this moment, he hasn’t done any of those things — in fact, he won’t even take the oath of office for another two months. Nobody has to LIKE the man if they’re not so inclined, but complaining about him at this point in time suggests sore loserdom, if only by process of elimination, since he hasn’t yet done anything but win an election.