“The search is underway for those who were behind these evil acts. I have directed the full resources of our intelligence and law enforcement communities to find those responsible and to bring them to justice. We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them.”

“America and our friends and allies join with all those who want peace and security in the world,and we stand together to win the war against terrorism.”

“This is a day when all Americans from every walk of life unite in our resolve for justice and peace. America has stood down enemies before, and we will do so this time.”

Saddam’s Iraq was a state sponsor of terrorism, according to…the US State Department…for years prior to 2003. Iraq was allowing terrorists to camp out and train in Iraq. Some of the more amazing “gets” of terrorists immediately after 9/11 were found (wait for it) IN BAGHDAD. So, if 1) we are battling terrorism, 2) we make no distinction between the terrorists and those that harbor them, and 3) Saddam’s Iraq was harboring terrorists (and had for years), then why wouldn’t we go do something about Saddam, particularly if he was getting stronger and stronger all the time? Like it or not, war with Iraq was coming, and fighting them in 2003 was far preferable to fighting them in 2006 or later. If you think Iraq has been a mess after the more or less bloodless “war” in 2003, just imagine what it would have been like if they’d actually fought us toe-to-toe.

Get off the WMD issue–this war was coming, and WMD was the thing that brought us the biggest coalition. It was far from being the only thing that mattered or that Bush based the argument in favor of war upon.

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Until then, as rho^2 said, the kittehs are very nice and you should go look at them.

Unlike Slan’s rosy assessment, I’ll wager that someone on both acid and meth would make more sense than you. You really don’t have a clue, and the more you type, the more it shows…

No nation over 100 million has ever implemented any version of Marxism effectively in any shape or form.

In a true capitalist democracy, the governement works for the will of the people and protects the people from banks.

Do you have any idea how asinine these two statements are, expecially right next to each other? Just to begin with, no nation has ever implemented Marxism, full stop. No nation has ever actually tried. Why? Because no sort of dictatorship, proletariat or otherwise, ever gives way willingly. But the more important point is that you have to be on acid to look around at what’s happening in this country and see Marxism.

OTOH, “in a true capitalist democracy, the government…protects the people from banks“?!? You really must be on acid. In a “true capitalist” anything, the government leaves the bloody markets alone and trusts them to ve self-correcting – trusts market forces to cure all ills because the people will simply withhold their money from being spent on anything hostile to their interests. Any system wherein “government…protects the people from banks” is a mixed system, incorporating elements of capitalism and socialism to create markets with a level of oversight and management appropriate to the health and safety of society as a whole. Such systems require near constant tinkering, because actors in the “free” market are astonishingly creative at finding new ways to fnck people over.

When you’ve come down fully from your acid trip, come back and we’ll talk again.

The problem with your arguement is that the Constitution is NOT a theory. It’s an actual functional document, one that our entire society is based of off.

As for this “ohhhh, my bad, I’m not hating on you, I’m just in disagreement with your views” line, you can just stuff it and here’s why. By saying that, you then had no issues with Hitler as a human being, just his intense hatred of jews. This is the same arguement as “punish the act, not the pervayor”. Both are the product of the psuedo intellectual.

so therefore if you do take issue with a person’s arguement, then you take issue with the person, as their make up can be determined by their words and their deeds.

My evaluation of you stretches over many LOL’s dating back to before the election. And it is only solidified by a post you have in this thread where you state you wish you had the backbone to stand up to your family.

I you cannot stand up to those that love you, then how will you ever stand up to those that loathe you?

As I said, your particular kind of cowardice sickens me the most.

Well I double dog dare you! I triple dog dare you! Well I had sex with your mom! Well she’s been dead for five years, so she could use the action!

O_O

You go look it up.

You are arguing against someone you made up in your head. You are not The Keeper of the Great Truths, dudelet.

FYI, my “need to function” referenced the gap between theory and practicality. Way to pull it out of context! I didn’t call *you* a cliché: I called your *argument* cliché, and I stand by my assessment. The reference to froo giving Obama a chance dates back across many threads, so you’re talking out of school there. Also, nowhere in my brief post to froo did I endorse complacency, so, again, you’re dry humping a straw man.

The political spousal abuse was a funny line—I loled. I also loled at the prospect of you and yours forcing me and mine from our lofty positions on high. As funny as it was (considering my decidedly *not* lofty status), it again reflects the fact that you are arguing with a fictitious character, but act like you’re talking to me. Does schizophrenia run in your family?

The “Air America = low ratings” has been brilliantly debated in the past, by PK’s own Minerva146. If anyone remembers which LOL that was, please enlighten this gentle soul.

Now I know how hard it is for you enlightened types to understand this concept, so maybe I should try doing this in bullet points:

We are NOT a or the Great Society
Our Federal Government was NEVER designed to be this Large
The Truly Great Presidents in our history all saw the government as an adversary, but also a necessity.
No nation over 100 million has ever implemented any version of Marxism effectively in any shape or form.

In a true capitalist democracy, the governement works for the will of the people and protects the people from banks.
Today the people and the government work for the will of the banks.
This is NOT “how we need to function”.

Our Founding Fathers, while imperfect, created the greatest single document in the history of law when they created the Constitution. This didn’t happen overnight, it took over 30 years. And they borrowed (or stole) ideas from all around the civilized world of their time to write it. It would do us well to adhere to it not only in it’s form but in its spirit. And while it may have taken time for us to come around on some very serious issues (slavery, women’s voting rights, etc) the Constitution was the ultimate arguement FOR all of those freedoms that are now common place and rightly so.

And if I am a cliche, then you are a farce. You slam on someone for not giving the Chosen One a “chance” when, (and I’m quite confident this is true) you certainly never did the same for Bush or any other Rep candidate.
You are puppet, a marionette, a lapdog, and most importantly, you suffer from political spousal abuse.
“Honey, your husband isn’t supposed to hit you. He’s supposed to love you, protect you if need be, and support your goals and make you happy.”
“eh…it is what it is, if I leave him I’ll have nothing”

Complacency in the face of failure is a special kind of cowardice.
Your particular brand of cowardice sickens me the most. You’d rather just accept the world as is instead of trying to pinpoint where we went off track and fix it. You can no longer mover forward when the weight of the past brings you to your knees.

There will come a day in this country when we will all have to make a choice. You will either stand with the Constitution, or you will run from it. And I say “run” because those of us that stand strong, will force you and yours from power.

PS, Air America got yanked from my local AM station for the second time in two years for low ratings. Stick that in your governement funded Crack pipe and smoke it.

If they wanted to place one reliably, they’d need to use a transit van to get it where it’s going, since a bomber would be shot from the skies. Even then a lorry with that much trace leaking radiation, weighing in at several tonnes more than normal would get noticed at the border, or on the way as it left great gouges in the road…

As for Khalid Sheikh Mohammad himself, who (as Jane Mayer writes) was waterboarded, reportedly hung for hours on end from his wrists, beaten, and subjected to other agonies for weeks, Bush said he provided “many details of other plots to kill innocent Americans.” K.S.M. was certainly knowledgeable. It would be surprising if he gave up nothing of value. But according to a former senior C.I.A. official, who read all the interrogation reports on K.S.M., “90 percent of it was total fncking bullsh!t.” A former Pentagon analyst adds: “K.S.M. produced no actionable intelligence. He was trying to tell us how stupid we were.”

Based on observation, as a conspiracy, the Illuminati are damned inept

I would strip them naked and set them on fire outside my door. No questions unless I wanted to be nice first. Then when I was done, BBQ. Then I would look over their personal effects that I had removed to see what I could glean that way.

So no torture unless you consider talking to me torture. Just some cruel execution and moving on to see what else I could learn.

f kidnappers had my daughter, why would I use a method of extracting information that 90% of the time yields total fscking bullsh!t?

Because, under duress, and with the 10% certainty, individuals are mostly apes with a stick.

Torture works in Milgram space, where in we ‘believe’ authority figures. It’s how Serbs could go home and play with their kids before bed time, after a hard day shooting Croat children…

It’s the horror of being what we are.

If kidnappers had my daughter, why would I use a method of extracting information that 90% of the time yields total fscking bullsh!t?

And why in HELL would I use those 90% fscking bullsh!t methods on anyone I picked up randomly at the scene where she disappeared, like the Bush regime has?

Hypothetical question here: If you had someone in your custody who you thought knew something about the kidnapping of your child, knowing what you know about torture, would you torture him to find out what he might know?

NO, because I would want the *truth* out of him. READ
ABOUT THIS TOPIC, BECAUSE YOU’RE TALKING OUT
OF YOUR ASS ABOUT IT!!

Hi-ho me hearties! We’ll breach the new galaxy…

@rhorho: Um, I love you too? Just taken aback by being told randomly that I rock.