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This funny political picture was posted on Friday, January 2nd, 2009 at 7:00 am.

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  1. i_am_#1 says:
    January 2, 2009 at 7:03 am

    send ‘em home already! goodness knows we’ve lost one too many!

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    • rhorho says:
      January 2, 2009 at 8:06 am

      Re “one too many:” Try 5,000 plus 99,000 too many.

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      • i_am_#1 says:
        January 2, 2009 at 10:10 am

        I KNOW how many!!I have friends and family members who have been and some who still are there.

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        • Jane St.Clair says:
          January 2, 2009 at 10:45 am

          Ease down, she was agreeing with you.

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          • rhorho says:
            January 2, 2009 at 10:47 am

            Thank you, Jane! :-)

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          • i_am_#1 says:
            January 2, 2009 at 8:14 pm

            My apologies. I am extremely touchy about this subject, but it’s all good :)

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            • Jane St.Clair says:
              January 2, 2009 at 9:26 pm

              It’s cool!

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            • rhorho says:
              January 2, 2009 at 9:26 pm

              It’s okay. I am, too. Nobody seems to care about showing less
              than the allowable “Disney version” of the war.

              Every time I hear someone complaining about how biased the
              media is against the current administration, I think about how
              the order not to show caskets returning home went unchallenged.

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              • ArmySpouse says:
                January 3, 2009 at 11:39 am

                Truth be told though…family’s need their privacy at a time like that…It’s not just because they don’t want the public to know that wore is a terrible gory thing…It’s for the family’s to grieve privately. If you (or someone you knew) were vacationing in Jamaica and something terrible happened, would you honestly want the casket splashed all over the media? Or would you prefer that the family involved could focus on being together rather than being bombarded with the media attention? I don ‘t mean to rant…I just want people to think about both sides of the issue (and maybe see why that would not be challenged for reasons that may not occur to you at first).

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              • Lisa FOx says:
                January 3, 2009 at 5:58 pm

                It’s because we don’t want assholes using the deaths of american soldiers, sailors, Marines and airmen to be paraded around by the media to cheapen their sacrafice for their own political/journalistic gains. It’s disgusting that these men and women VOLUNTEER to go over there and then are subject to ridicule. There is a lot of stuff going on over there the media doesnt tell you. A lot of it is good, especially in Afghanistan…..I have had to wait patiently for my husband to return from Iraq as well as Afghanistan (although we weren’t married for that deployment). He has been so dishartened since he has been out with everyone looking over the great things being done because it isn’t very popular. He is also tired of not being able to get a job because all employers think all veterans have PTSD and are loose cannons due to unfair reporting biases.

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                • charro says:
                  January 3, 2009 at 6:49 pm

                  Isn’t that discrimination?
                  Also, I can understand your anger. I guess I never really thought about the good that’s being done, but I have never blamed the military for the bad. War is war and it is ugly business. Thank you for this post, it gives me a lot to think about..

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              • rhorho says:
                January 3, 2009 at 6:54 pm

                @ArmySpouse & Amy:

                You two are not understanding what’s being done here.

                The way the deaths are being handled reduces the dead
                to mere statistics, glossing over the true cost of war.

                @Amy: You need to look up “Straw Man Fallacy.” Nobody
                is suggesting disrespectful coverage, and no one here has
                said anything disrespectful about the troops.

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                • rhorho says:
                  January 3, 2009 at 6:56 pm

                  ^Amy = Lisa FOx. Sorry not to get the name correct.

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                • ArmySpouse says:
                  January 3, 2009 at 8:38 pm

                  I completely understand…believe me…What I understand (as does Amy, and I hope she won’t mind my saying so…) more than most is the way that one person, though they may only be an individual in the world account for someone’s world. When I hear of death’s I hurt for those that have lost. I, like Amy, wasn’t married to my husband during his last deployment (but as his fiance) I knew his men socially and got to know their families over the deployment. When we lost men, I hurt for their families…I can only imagine what they were going through…But I do know that having their remains transported home respectfully, allowing the families time to grieve, is the least we could do for them. No coverage at all guarantees privacy that can’t be guaranteed if coverage were done.

                  The question is, honestly…Why do people want to see the caskets of these fallen soldiers?

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                  • rhorho says:
                    January 3, 2009 at 9:30 pm

                    I am an American, like you and Lisa Fox. (I called her
                    “Amy” by mistake.) As Americans, it is our collective
                    responsibility to be watchful of events that affect us as
                    a nation. We should seek knowledge in order to make
                    good decisions, political and otherwise. When part of
                    the facts are omitted, the decision is less effective, and
                    less likely to lead to good results.

                    That said, I’m certainly not advocating “splashing
                    caskets all over the media,” to paraphrase you, or
                    “parading around by the media,” to paraphrase Lisa.
                    Think of the televised coverage of Ronald Reagan’s
                    procession. That coverage was done out of respect.
                    Likewise, we all owe a debt of respect and gratitude
                    to our fallen troops.

                    A camera placed a respectful distance away from a
                    plane as our dead are brought home would keep the
                    gravity of the war in our hearts and thoughts without
                    upsetting the families and loved ones. The absence of
                    the full story in the media can lead us to believe that
                    the war is like a movie. Not that many are getting
                    killed: It’s only a four digit number, right?

                    Do you see what I’m getting at? We need the whole
                    story to make good decisions. Otherwise, it’s “out of
                    sight, out of mind.” You don’t want our fallen troops to
                    be glossed over, ignored and forgotten, do you?

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                    • Lisa FOx says:
                      January 3, 2009 at 11:06 pm

                      I wouldn’t mind a respectful camera, however this war is already unpopular enough. I wish they would show the full story of what these men and women are sacrificing for….little girls who are getting to go to school for the first time without being killed for it, little boys not being forced to pick up an AK and fight cowardly adults’ battles. I do want this all to be over, so does my husband, but we want it to be done right so these people don’t fall back to an even worse hell. I just feel that these politicians/journalits want to prove Bush wrong more than they actually care about the fallen soldiers and the cause. I would love peace if I had one wish it would be that. People who are totally against this war have their hearts in the right places, our soldiers dont need people protesting for their return, they need people at home cheering them on.

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                      • rhorho says:
                        January 4, 2009 at 12:10 am

                        I think we agree more than we disagree. I
                        opposed the war from the first inkling that Bush
                        was headed in that direction. I disagree with
                        your impression that anyone feels the need to
                        prove Bush wrong. That much is done.

                        We seem to have learned a costly lesson from
                        the end of the Vietnam War: Have you heard
                        one thing in the media ridiculing our military
                        personnel below the highest ranks? No, you
                        haven’t. Please put that fear to the side.

                        I agree that the coverage of the positive deeds
                        service men and women are doing is under-
                        reported. There were more such stories before
                        the election season kicked into full gear. That
                        and the economic crisis have turned our
                        collective attention inward, it seems.

                        From my point of view, Bush has covered up
                        images of our war dead the same way a cat
                        buries its droppings in a litter box. If it goes
                        against the image he wants to portray, bury
                        it–literally. How is that not disrespectful?

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                      • slan agat says:
                        January 4, 2009 at 12:41 pm

                        That video behind my name…that is how we should be treating our fallen when they come home. With respectful, honorable recognition, not hiding it all away so the war seems remote and like someone else’s problem. This country’s unforgivable sin of the Vietnam era was not international adventurism or a failure of strategy – what was unforgivable was how we treated our boyd when they came home.

                        Fix the VA. Honor the dead properly.

                        It’s the least we can do, damn it.

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                        • rhorho says:
                          January 4, 2009 at 12:55 pm

                          Thank you! That footage is both touching
                          and inspiring.

                        • Uncle Fester says:
                          January 4, 2009 at 12:59 pm

                          Living in the place that USGOV carries out its ‘Adventurism’ (that is outside the area bounded by the Atlantic in the east and the Pacific in the west, and including Hawaii) I’d say it was close to unforgivable… If you’re going to be a Republic, STAY a Republic… don’t go trying to be an Empire to prop up business interests.
                          What you do domestically is minimally my concern, but I view it, you send soldiers to a place, you honour what you’ve done. However, the sodier’s lot hasn’t changed since Kipling wrote ‘Tommy’ in 1890

                          I went into a public-’ouse to get a pint o’ beer,
                          The publican ‘e up an’ sez, ‘We serve no erd-coats ‘ere.’
                          The girls be’ind the bar they laughed and giggled fit to die,
                          I outs into the street again, an’ to myself sez I:
                          Oh, it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ ‘Tommy, go away’:
                          But it’s ‘Thank you, Mister Atkins,’ when the band begins to play -
                          The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
                          Oh, it’s ‘Thank you, Mister Atkins,’ when the band begins to play.

                          I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
                          They gave a drunk civilian room, but ‘adn’t none for me;
                          They sent me to the gallery or round the music-’alls,
                          But when it comes to fightin’, Lord! they’ll shove me in the stalls!
                          For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ ‘Tommy, wait outside’;
                          But it’s ‘Special train for Atkins’ when the trooper’s on the tide -
                          The troopship’s on the tide, my boys, the troopship’s on the tide,
                          Oh, it’s ‘Special train for Atkins’ when the trooper’s on the tide.

                          Yes, makin’ mock o’ uniforms that guard you while you sleep
                          Is cheaper than them uniforms, an’ they’re starvation cheap;
                          An’ hustlin’ drunken soldiers when they’re goin’ large a bit
                          Is five times better business than paradin’ in full kit.
                          Then it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ ‘Tommy, ‘ow’s yer soul?’
                          But it’s ‘Thin red line of ‘eroes’ when the drums begin to roll -
                          The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
                          Oh, it’s ‘Thin red line of ‘eroes when the drums begin to roll.

                          We aren’t no thin red ‘eroes, nor we aren’t no blackguards too,
                          But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
                          An’ if sometimes our conduck isn’t all your fancy paints,
                          Why, single men in barricks don’t grow into plaster saints;
                          While it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that , an’ ‘Tommy, fall be’ind,’
                          But it’s ‘Please to walk in front, sir,’ when there’s trouble in the wind -
                          There’s trouble in the wind, my boys, there’s trouble in the wind,
                          Oh, it’s ‘Please to walk in front, sir,’ when there’s trouble in the wind.

                          You talk o’ better food for us, an’ schools, an’ fires, an’ all:
                          We’ll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
                          Don’t mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
                          The Widow’s Uniform is not the soldier-man’s disgrace.
                          For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ ‘Chuck him out, the brute!’
                          But it’s ‘Saviour of ‘is country’ when the guns begin to shoot;
                          An’ it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ anything you please;
                          An’ Tommy ain’t a bloomin’ fool – you bet that Tommy sees!

                        • Jane St.Clair says:
                          January 4, 2009 at 5:50 pm

                          I don’t think I’ve ever read that Fester, thank you.

                        • rhorho says:
                          January 4, 2009 at 6:52 pm

                          Wow–cool one! Thanks!

                        • OhMyGoodness says:
                          January 4, 2009 at 8:47 pm

                          I was too young to remember when Whitlam ordered the Australian troops out of Vietnam (’71-’72), but I’ve spent enough time now with old veterans who still to this day feel the schizophrenia in the country’s soul. We venerate Gallipoli (and rightly so) and hold in awe the Desert Rats (as we should), but seem to only manage a terse ‘thanks’ for Vietnam vets.
                          I have a cousin who spent time in East Timor and some good mates who have returned from both Afghanistan and Iraq. Guess who’s heard the word ‘thanks’ the most?

                        • Uncle Fester says:
                          January 5, 2009 at 2:10 pm

                          Observation – THe venerated wars are the ones where there was a clear threat to sovereign territory or personal liberty.

                          Iraq is, at best, perceived as a folly. Like Vietnam, it’s a war with no front, no clear purpose and an unholy high body count. One is the Oedipal hissy fit of an inadequate, the other, proving the point of an averagely marked graduate thesis Neither is a good reason for a war. East Timor was by invitation, Afghanistan, justifiable horror. Iraq and Vietnam were dumb adventures… they don’t serve the country of the soldiers involved.

                          I can thank people for their service, but regard the people who sent them into harms way with nothing but contempt. Not everyone can do that.

                          Most I know in UK Mil take the view the underlying reason they’re being sent isn’t their problem. Their problem is to survive long enough to make the combat pay worth their while, while knowing what they are doing si representing a country who sold its honour for oil and adventuring a long time ago. One can try and wrap oneself in flag only if you’re not likley to get draped in it.

                          I have the utmost respect for our lads and lasses abroad. I wish that the people with the power were actually worth the steam off horse dung, let alone the blood and broken bodies.

                        • DeathWyrmNexus says:
                          January 5, 2009 at 2:13 pm

                          In bed…

                          Yes, I had to do that.

                        • Uncle Fester says:
                          January 5, 2009 at 4:14 pm

                          Actually, no, you didn’t.

                        • DeathWyrmNexus says:
                          January 5, 2009 at 4:28 pm

                          Yes, in fact I did. Just as much as you have to post anything you say.

                          Though I suppose I should relent and state that With a penis would be more clear as to the motivation of those who would send troops into harm’s way without a damn good reason.

                        • Uncle Fester says:
                          January 5, 2009 at 4:33 pm

                          I think we agree with on that one on the pecker matching

                          As to the rest… if ‘in bed’ is as good as I could get with 60% of posts, I’d take up street sweeping… but then, you ARE an American, so I must make some allowance around the idea if you don’t say SOMETHING you cease to exist…

                        • DeathWyrmNexus says:
                          January 5, 2009 at 4:42 pm

                          Nah, I just found an opening to say something asinine for my own amusement and went with it. Besides, you are posting on a LOL site, at what point do you think your posts are better? Because you’re being serious? Because you have some sense of self importance?

                          Then again, you’re British. If you didn’t have a pedestal, you wouldn’t know what to do. Don’t peddle your better than thou crap to me, slick. I am not now nor will I ever be impressed. Enjoy your street sweeping.

                    • djmv says:
                      January 5, 2009 at 9:31 am

                      There is a problem with that argument, you do not need a seat at the funeral to know a person was killed. The moment that a fallen soldier is removed from the field, the funeral begins. They are cared for and protected, and honored for their sacrifice. Every step along the way from the battlefield to their final resting place, they are in a long funeral procession, with the fallen soldier often accompanied by a comrade from the field. From the pilot transporting the fallen soldier, to the soldiers caring for this precious cargo, these are not routine missions and not photo-ops. In every way, this is a funeral procession. Every step of this process is sacred and not to be used for a photo-op, by either side. Soldiers and their images are used to put a face on viewpoints and agendas, but these soldiers have paid their price and should be held above exploitation.

                      Just look how soldiers images are used here. After 6 tours, my brother is still blown away at how poor and one-sided coverage is every time he returns home (4 required, 2 voluntary). This very thread is on a image used to portray soldiers as fed up and begging to come home. Do they want to come home? Of course. Are they fed up and pleading for a return…no. Over over 2 thirds voted for an administration that wanted to “stay the course”. They want to finish the job, and they see the positive impact they are having every day. The lives being saved that are NEVER reported on. I sent an article to several major news outlets on how a local unit saved a 12 year old girl whos school was just bombed by the Taliban (because they do not think girls should go to school). One of the lucky to have survived, she had a broken back and head injuries. They diverted from a planned mission to pick her up and get her to safety. Not a single newspaper or media outlet would even mention the story. There was a time movies were made from such events, now it is unpolular to glorify an unpoplular war.

                      There can be no trust that, if images of caskets were provided, they would be used respectfully.

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                      • rhorho says:
                        January 5, 2009 at 9:48 am

                        Hopefully by now you have read the rest of the comments, and understand better what the conversation was about, and that the topics you brought up have already been covered.

                        Oh, yes, and:

                        Over over 2 thirds voted for an administration that wanted to “stay the course”.

                        Bush won in 2004 (the “stay the course” election) by 51%, so you’ve got serious fraction fail there.

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                        • djmv says:
                          January 5, 2009 at 10:17 am

                          No fail, I was referring to the military votes. All polls show that they are far from the “equally” split civilian vote. We are a nation that is politically pretty split down the middle in major elections, but the military was soundly on one side.

                        • djmv says:
                          January 5, 2009 at 1:50 pm

                          BTW, I was also referring to the recent election, not 2004.

                        • Uncle Fester says:
                          January 5, 2009 at 1:58 pm

                          Never forget, combat zone pay is a lot better than regular, and there is a reason we join up… Ref Grosse Pointe Blank.

                        • DeathWyrmNexus says:
                          January 5, 2009 at 2:01 pm

                          A psychopath kills for no reason, I kill for money, there’s a difference…

                        • Uncle Fester says:
                          January 5, 2009 at 2:15 pm

                          the bit that summed me up was ‘I woke up one day and realised I wanted to kill someone’

                          what old djmv misses is that people have a lot of motives to sign up.
                          He also misses that most people are as dumb as a fence post.

                          Tell someone about the Somme, they’ll go ‘uhhuh’ and move on.

                          Stand them in a cemetery near the Somme (or Ypres, or one other place God died) and say ‘From there, to there, all those people died on the same day’ then they get the scale of what happened.
                          To hide the special planes coming in is to hide the scope.
                          To claim, “It’s all a funeral. Show some respect’ is to simply compound the lie that’s being sold by being a retard.

                        • DeathWyrmNexus says:
                          January 5, 2009 at 2:19 pm

                          “And I figured it wasn’t safe to be around you anymore…” /the reference

                          “People on the other hand don’t have a clue. They don’t need one and don’t want one. They’re happy in the feeling they have a firm grasp on things.”

                          Figured I would add another ref to fit things.

                        • Uncle Fester says:
                          January 5, 2009 at 2:22 pm

                          Indeed

                          A very good film… crappy DVD transfer in R2 though

                        • DeathWyrmNexus says:
                          January 5, 2009 at 2:26 pm

                          Damn, I need to get it on DVD. Explains a lot about my thinking with more of a body count…
                          >_>

                        • Jane St.Clair says:
                          January 5, 2009 at 2:55 pm

                          “Oh THAT’S where I know him from, he’s an asshole.”

    • asdf says:
      January 14, 2009 at 4:58 pm

      i know everyone wants the soldiers home. i want them home as well. but you have to think, if we left now in that state. what would happen to ours. righ tnow we need to stay there until this war is over.

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    • PS says:
      April 7, 2009 at 11:51 am

      Please dont speak for us ! We all VOLUNTEERED for this so people like you can suck as freely as you care to. On my way pack for a 3rd time …volunteered to!

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  2. mothergoose says:
    January 2, 2009 at 7:22 am

    It would be a fitting way to begin ’09 to finally see them come home. God Bless Them for all they’ve had to endure in Afghanistan and Iraq.

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  3. Spilled Milk says:
    January 2, 2009 at 7:29 am

    My brother in law just headed out for his FOURTH tour in Iraq. My kids have only had one Christmas with Uncle Joe. For crying out loud, enough is enough.

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    • ArmySpouse says:
      January 3, 2009 at 11:43 am

      God bless him…My husband is on his second tour in Iraq as well. He just left. I know it gets wearing, but it’s wonderful for him to have such a great family to come home to. My husband and I have spent more time apart than together…so I know the feeling.

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  4. Lupine says:
    January 2, 2009 at 7:41 am

    Poor guys. My school sent them stuff, but I wish they could just come home.

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  5. rewinn says:
    January 2, 2009 at 7:44 am

    They’ve done all anyone can do, and more than they should’ve been asked to.

    Home. Now!

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  6. Uncle Fester says:
    January 2, 2009 at 7:55 am

    They shouldn’t even BE there… The Afghan war was bad enough (and there’s NEVER been a good Afghan war), without opening a second front, based on intel so bad that it was just lies and a decade old undergrad report.

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    • mothergoose says:
      January 2, 2009 at 8:11 am

      Point well taken. I just talked to a kid from our church who came back from his second tour of Iraq (he was there the first time just after Saddam was captured) and he said that this time everything had really changed. He said that on the first tour many Iraqi’s seemed friendly and happy to have Saddam out, and now they look at the soldiers with disdain because they are now an “occupying force”.

      He said that most of the Iraqis he talked to this time are hoping that the US would just leave and let Iraq sort out its own troubles. He said that Iraqi kids used to come up to soldiers and want to play and now those same kids look at the soldiers with a prejudice that he’d not seen before.

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  7. Bob says:
    January 2, 2009 at 7:58 am

    This caption is a disgrace to any soldier, living or dead. No true soldier would dream of going home before the job is done. SEMPER FI!!!!!!!

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    • cakeislie says:
      January 2, 2009 at 8:08 am

      Are you kidding? How many soldiers do you actually believe WANT to fight in this pointless war? Do you know anyone that is in Iraq? At least do your research and watch video blogs from REAL soldiers online and see what they really think, instead of listening to some conservative politician telling how we’re gonna win tomorrow.

      BUSH SUPPORTER FAIL

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      • Ioseph Stalin says:
        January 2, 2009 at 3:56 pm

        hmmmmm, a job in the army might actually send you to war? OMFG! Mabey, just mabey if you dont want to fight you should not have joined the army.

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        • DeathWyrmNexus says:
          January 2, 2009 at 3:57 pm

          There is a difference between joining the army to support a cause you believe in and joining the army to fight another man’s personal vendetta that is not only a bad reason but ill planned, gettinng a lot of your friends killed.

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        • Jane St.Clair says:
          January 3, 2009 at 8:48 am

          This doesn’t even deserve a response but I’m going to have at it anyway. Most (and I preface this with most because as with any large group you get a few bad apples) solidiers know full well what they are getting into when they sign up. No one is suggesting soldiers don’t want to do their duty. However there is one hell of a difference between doing your duty and serving your country and WANTING to fight. If our military was only made up of people who liked killing other people we’d be in some serious trouble. A true soldier doesn’t WANT to go to war but understands that war is sometimes necessary. Lastly, the military is not a democracy. When you take people and put them in life or death situations, if they have to option to say, “no thanks, I don’t agree with this war” then you’ve crippled your military and it won’t work. When you join the military you temporarily give up some of the rights and freedoms regular citizens enjoy. This exception to this is, of course, being asked to follow commands that you know is illegal. Because of all that, it is all the more important that our government and fellow citizens are SURE that when we send soldiers in to fight we aren’t doing it for frivolous reasons. George Bush, his administration, Congress, and even the American people failed these soldiers by putting them in this position.

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      • djmv says:
        January 5, 2009 at 10:09 am

        My brother and best friend both serve as reservists. They did 4 tours each during a 2 year “activation”. Since then, they have both volunteered at least two more times to leave their civilian jobs and families and return to additional tours. They hate war, and simply want to see the job finished so all can come home. If there is work to be done, they want to be there to insure it is done well.

        The caption in this photo does disgrace that commitment. I cannot remember the famous general that said (paraphrased) “I hate war in a way that only someone who has experienced it can.” That is how most soldiers feel. Not “get me home now”, but “finish the job now, so I can go home”.

        Plenty of mistakes to go around in this war, and a lot of talking points made simply for talk. I think everybody wants the war over and the troops home. To not give the enemy a calendar invite for when to resume operations (timetable) does not mean there is any less desire to complete operations.

        PS-I work with a charity organization assisting families of deployed soldiers. I have attended many deployments, as well as welcome home parties. I grew up with a father that served 34 years (just recently retiring), my brother and best friend both serve. I do not need to read a BLOG or watch a YouTube video to know what soldiers and families think, I work directly with them. To defend our freedoms, soldiers surrender some of their own (the more reason to respect their sacrifice). I can tell you, soldiers with honor do not post BLOGs or videos that counter the positions of their commanders, it breaks down unity and command. Such actions are, at best, ill advised comments by someone with a lack of integrity. Once out of uniform, your opinion and comments are once again your own. While in uniform, you are to act and behave as part of a unit, not an individual. I have seen many struggle with wanting to do interviews or post comments/content to counter the one-sided media depictions they see when they return from tours, but they refuse to out of honor. They feel they are soldiers, not PR reps or politicians.

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        • Seth says:
          January 5, 2009 at 10:15 am

          See, the thing is, we’re done. Finished. It isn’t our country and they asked us to leave, simple as that. We have no moral right to stay, so why are we still there?

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          • djmv says:
            January 5, 2009 at 10:39 am

            Seth, I will slip into pure opinion here. It is easier to “built up” in a location than to “re-enter”. Does that make sense? A fire department never returns all of their crews and equipment when there is still a risk of a fire re-emerging. You send back as much as you can to be prepared for what may happen next, but leave behind what is necessary to quickly respond should the fire spark back up.

            Democracies cannot be “made”, and there may be some dramatic changes in government in Iraq’s future (i.e. coupe, civil war, etc). To leave entirely, returning would mean months or years of red tape and resolutions from a UN that has been bought and sold several times over. After all, depending on the conditions, there may not be a sovereign Iraqi government to request or approve our involvement. However, if we leave a small contingent in the southwest corner of Iraq, we can quickly respond to needs and even build-up our presence if necessary. What we should do is get out of their government affairs and out of their cities as soon as is safely possible. But I “personally” think a small on-going presence would be wise. The culture is very localized, kind of “out of sight, out of mind”. I think we could maintain small presence, isolated from Iraqi cities and their daily activities, that may better serve long term peace in the region without impacting daily life. Maybe even that presence should be phased out over 10 years, or after any 5 year period without major conflicts.

            Here, I touch on my disagreement with the US setting up democracies. I agree democracy is the best form of government, but you cannot expect a created democracy to have the same success as one purchased with the blood of its people. It’s like giving a 16 year old a new sports car. They did nothing to earn it and will likely not respect the gift they were just given.

            I would have preferred to work alongside Iraqi freedom fighters the entire way, handing them control of the government and requiring that they establish a democracy. We could have then partnered with them to establish a policing force to ensure order during the transition. I know this has been tried in the past, with varying degrees of success, but I am just wary of any nation maintaining a democracy that was “handed” to them. (No disrespect to the many brave Iraqis that have sacrificed and even died to setup their current government. There sacrifice was honorable and great, I just wish it was more widespread.)

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    • Uncle Fester says:
      January 2, 2009 at 8:09 am

      What job? The job was to get rid of Saddam. It’s done. Having soldiers as police just doesn’t work. It was why NI was such a god awful mess for so long.

      Jar headed retard.

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      • Charlie Foxtrot says:
        January 2, 2009 at 2:50 pm

        He’s not really a marine. He pretends because it gives him neo-con credit. In fact I bet that he never served.

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        • rhorho says:
          January 2, 2009 at 4:24 pm

          Hey, Charlie–How many marines do you know who would call themselves “soldiers?” This guy’s a *shambles* of a fake! Boo!!!

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        • Uncle Fester says:
          January 2, 2009 at 4:30 pm

          It was a nod at ‘Semper fi’… the man seems to be as much a member of USMC as my mother… and she’s probably better qualified.

          She raised me, after all…

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          • GungaDin says:
            January 2, 2009 at 6:09 pm

            And I’ll whip her ass for what a bad job she did !!!!!

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            • Uncle Fester says:
              January 3, 2009 at 12:21 am

              In your dreams… she wasn’t born, she was forged by ice giants, on a cold night , who then fled in fear at what they’d wrought…

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              • zombie pdq says:
                January 5, 2009 at 10:01 am

                And thus Gleipnir came into the family. Had to chain Granmaw in bed most nights. Days we used the chain to tie up the dawg & keep him from chewing Gran’s slippers.

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          • rhorho says:
            January 3, 2009 at 11:42 am

            So, how long did she have to sit on your egg, Unc?

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            • zombie pdq says:
              January 5, 2009 at 10:22 am

              Hatched?? Hmm. Undignified, that – wet & gnarly-looking when they emerge. I would’ve assumed something more like Athena, springing into existence from Granmaw’s head, or possibly a result of clumping in one of her brews.

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    • Seth says:
      January 2, 2009 at 8:11 am

      And no true Scotsman would dream of using that logical fallacy. Yeah, none of the ‘true’ soldiers over there want to go home. Care to tell us what the criteria for ‘job is done’ are?

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    • rhorho says:
      January 2, 2009 at 8:13 am

      Petting the eagle is a sweet pastime. Our military people are admirable, but the cause is corrupt.

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    • Alden Bugly says:
      January 2, 2009 at 8:44 am

      Well, you will get your wish since the O’man intends to redeploy them to Afghanistan.

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    • charro says:
      January 2, 2009 at 10:37 am

      No true soldier would dream of going home until the job is done… But they can wish for it to be over, and the job be done. I believe that is what the caption is going for. No true soldier would dream of deserting his buddies, his platoon and his country.
      But that doesn’t mean he can’t still wish for it to be over so he can stop seeing those same buddies and platoon dying. It doesn’t mean he can’t still wish for his own bed and his own house and his own family. It doesn’t mean that he can’t wish to stop seeing Iraqi children dying, or Iraqi women, or Iraqi men. It doesn’t mean he can’t still wish for home because tomorrow he may be maimed, or dead.
      You are ignorant.

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    • Becca says:
      January 2, 2009 at 10:41 am

      Your comment is the only disgrace. Soldiers are human, not mindless, tireless duty-bots. Of course they want out of there and want to come home. One thing that is most commendable about them is that, in spite of a protracted and dishonorable war, poor equipment, horrible conditions and a commander in chief who doesn’t know his head from his ass, they STILL stay and do their jobs.

      And that’s from a raving Berkeley liberal who just wants them home…

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    • Tessie says:
      January 2, 2009 at 2:19 pm

      Wasn’t this already a South Park movie?

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    • OhMyGoodness says:
      January 2, 2009 at 3:55 pm

      Nice going, Bob – I do believe you’ve just scored the #1 troll ticket for 2009. But I doubt very much that you’re a soldier-boy at all. And, yes, we’re all aware that Semper Fidelis is Ever Faithful (it’s inside my wedding ring, actually)… so, clever you. Got that tight little shiver ‘cuz you got a reaction? Well done. Now go back to having a crank over your Sargeant Rock comics.
      *Low growl, hair goes down veeery slowly…*

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      • rhorho says:
        January 2, 2009 at 4:38 pm

        Oh, that: “Semper Fi” is the U.S. Marine Corps slogan, and the name of a comic book. Don’t worry: Bob’s not waxing intelligent on us. ;-)

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        • Uncle Fester says:
          January 2, 2009 at 4:42 pm

          It’s the regiment motto… it’s not a ‘slogan’ The SAS have ‘Who Dares Wins’…

          Usually the motto is hard won… some how comparing to to ‘Beanz Meanz Heinz’ just seems very, very wrong to me…

          Sorry… even I can get sentimental at times

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          • DeathWyrmNexus says:
            January 2, 2009 at 4:45 pm

            It is appreciated. *son of a jarhead’s two cents*

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          • rhorho says:
            January 2, 2009 at 5:43 pm

            Okay, motto, slogan, whatever. I’ve had a long day.

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            • OhMyGoodness says:
              January 2, 2009 at 6:01 pm

              He has a point, as Uncle generally does. For instance, I’d have never thought to engrave “Beanz Meanz Heinz” upon my wedding ring.
              Why-for the long day?

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              • rhorho says:
                January 2, 2009 at 6:13 pm

                The [LINK] suggests the two words are interchangeable.

                I think the difference in perception relies on whether the
                motto/slogan is for commercial purposes.

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                • OhMyGoodness says:
                  January 2, 2009 at 6:23 pm

                  That’s not a bad site… *fishes around for embroidered rough-silk bookmark*
                  I usually associated “slogan” with an advertising campaign, as Unc did. But how about that? A slogan is an old Scottish clan battle-cry. Can’t think of too many products applicable to the famous slogan: “we’re gonna cut yer tonkers off!”
                  WIN for correcting Unc’s English – and getting away with it!

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                • Uncle Fester says:
                  January 3, 2009 at 9:23 am

                  It’s possibly one of those ‘common usage’ things… Autumn and Fall, the differences in meaning of the word ‘pavement’… So, an accepted comment.

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                  • Uncle Fester says:
                    January 3, 2009 at 9:26 am

                    As a comment ‘ooo YAH!’ seems to be the USMC ‘slogan’, based on the battle cry observation. The motto is ‘Semper Fidelis’ since they don’t seem to bellow it… ;¬>

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                    • rhorho says:
                      January 3, 2009 at 9:32 am

                      Evidently you haven’t seen two Marines greet each
                      other in a US bar. “Semper Fi” is well used here.

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                      • Uncle Fester says:
                        January 3, 2009 at 9:39 am

                        I’ve seen them in most states of inebriation. The don’t tend to be that noisy in a fight…

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                        • rhorho says:
                          January 3, 2009 at 9:41 am

                          This is that Cork heritage coming out in you,
                          isn’t it?

                        • Uncle Fester says:
                          January 3, 2009 at 10:17 am

                          Not quite… for people who are impressed by such things, I was taught how to use chop sticks by a gurkha :¬)

                        • slan agat says:
                          January 3, 2009 at 11:58 am

                          You keep your gherkin to yourself……

                        • PortlandMark says:
                          January 3, 2009 at 8:59 pm

                          I thought a gurkha was that weird knife they carry? Am I totally off base?

                        • rhorho says:
                          January 3, 2009 at 9:52 pm

                          Isn’t it what the ladies wear in Afghanistan? ;-)

                        • Uncle Fester says:
                          January 5, 2009 at 2:57 pm

                          The Gurkhas are Nepalese/ Indian fighting men. The knife they carry is the Khukuri.

                          Most informed fighting men treat the Gurkha with the utmost respect, bordering on awe. It is deserved. They are tough, resourceful, single minded to the point of ruthlessness, and really best not pissed off.

                          The treatment of retired Gurkhas by UKGOV is appalling. You’re better treated as a Wahabist Islamic Cleric by that scum.

                      • Jane St.Clair says:
                        January 3, 2009 at 9:40 am

                        *sighs* Freaking marines. Give ‘em a sword and they think they’re cool or something. ;)

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                        • rhorho says:
                          January 3, 2009 at 9:42 am

                          Yeah! And their uniforms clash, too.
                          (Sorry, but that has bugged me forEVAR!)

                        • Uncle Fester says:
                          January 3, 2009 at 10:18 am

                          Back when ‘Dress’ was battle dress rather than Mess only, at least in the case of British forces, they were designed either not to show up at night, or not show blood.

                        • rhorho says:
                          January 3, 2009 at 10:45 am

                          I should clarify. The US Marine dress whites
                          are fine, but the dress blues clash. [LINK]

                        • Uncle Fester says:
                          January 3, 2009 at 10:57 am

                          OK, that’s nasty.

                        • Jane St.Clair says:
                          January 3, 2009 at 11:31 am

                          Who wears a white belt after Labor Day? Honestly.

                        • rhorho says:
                          January 3, 2009 at 2:34 pm

                          That reminds me of a great book: A Southern Belle Primer: Why Princess Margaret Will Never Be a Kappa Kappa Gamma

                          In the States, it’s considered gauche to wear white either before Memorial Day or after Labor Day. Brits don’t have the rule, possibly because they don’t have those holidays. (That’s a guess.)

                          Besides wearing white a the wrong time of year, Princess Margaret’s was seen smoking while not seated…!

                        • Uncle Fester says:
                          January 3, 2009 at 2:37 pm

                          No. We mostly think you’re insane :¬>

                        • rhorho says:
                          January 3, 2009 at 2:38 pm

                          Bad rho: No ” ‘s” after Margaret

                        • rhorho says:
                          January 3, 2009 at 3:06 pm

                          @Unc: Insanity is only in the 70 percentile.
                          The rest are recent immigrants, still clinging
                          to the sanity they had before arriving.

                        • Jane St.Clair says:
                          January 3, 2009 at 3:10 pm

                          The whole Labor/Memorial Day thing is just supposed to be seasonal guidelines. I think it’s more the point that you shouldn’t wear socks or pantyhose with your white open-toed sandals in the middle of winter because you can’t give them up. Same thing with chiffony flowerprint dresses and thick tights. At one time it looked tacky but today the biggest part of fashion is the confidence of the wearer that pulls it off.

                        • rhorho says:
                          January 3, 2009 at 3:21 pm

                          I read that most of these old rules originated
                          in the old South. I wore flip-flops today, but
                          the high was 76ºF/24ºC. So much for the
                          rule books! ;-)

                        • AtlasShrugged says:
                          January 3, 2009 at 5:32 pm

                          Twas a tad warm here today. Don’t worry- it will probably snow tomorrow!

                        • viking gal says:
                          January 5, 2009 at 4:52 pm

                          Judging by my students, flip-flops have no seasonal…or climatic…restrictions. I’ve seen them worn in mild snow. Crazy kids must not believe in frostbite!

                • rhorho says:
                  January 3, 2009 at 9:33 am

                  It could also be a regional quirk.

                  BTW, is “motto” or “slogan” the eff-word equivalent?

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    • sprent2922 says:
      January 3, 2009 at 11:09 am

      first off bob don’t confuse soldier’s and marines. two different animals. Secondly tell me what the job is. I’ve been there twice and have no idea what they really want anymore.

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    • AmericanGirlinJapan says:
      January 3, 2009 at 4:51 pm

      While I’ll agree with your comment that no true solider would dream of going home before the job is done…if you say Semper Fi, you’re referring to Marines, not soliders. Not the same thing. At all.

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    • PortlandMark says:
      January 3, 2009 at 5:54 pm

      Just to add on to what’s already been said: the job is finished. No Saddam, no WMD, no Iraqi army left, let the soldiers come home and leave the reconstruction to the Iraqis.

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    • Paul says:
      January 5, 2009 at 6:28 pm

      “This caption is a disgrace to any soldier, living or dead. No true soldier would dream of going home before the job is done. SEMPER FI!!!!!!!”…

      …he wrote, mindlessly parroting what the right-wing media tell him to say.

      Kid, you’re not a soldier. You don’t speak for soldiers, and they sure as hell don’t need little Limbaugh drones to protect them. I’m pretty sick and tired of all of the right-wing talk radio robots who seem utterly convinced that American soldiers are delicate little flowers.

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  8. Julz says:
    January 2, 2009 at 8:06 am

    Guess you haven’t gotten tired of the endless parade of body bags Bob ..absolutley senseless so STFU.

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  9. BAW says:
    January 2, 2009 at 9:52 am

    We have no business being there in the first place.

    Saddam Hussein was a monster, agreed. If the Iraqi people had arisen and torn him and his two septic sons to tiny pieces and paraded their heads on pikes through downtown Bagdhad, nobody would have objected. There are other odious tyrants in the world, but we don’t go overthrowing them–and quite rightly, for it is ‘the Department of Defense’, not ‘the Department of Setting the World to Rights.’

    One sovereign nation does not intervene in the internal affairs of another sovereign nation unless the second nation either attacks the first or makes a credible threat to do so. Iraq did neither; our invasion was unjustifiable, and we had no business being there in the first place; the sooner we get out the better.

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  10. lowly grunt says:
    January 2, 2009 at 11:26 am

    I suspect they are shielding their eyes from a sand storm, but the postures are definitely poignant. Nice caption.

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  11. majgross says:
    January 2, 2009 at 11:30 am

    I didn’t waste time reading all the hate mail. We don’t want your love. We don’t want your half hearted support. We want to finish up what should have been done after the first gulf war. You idiots would prefer we lose and the middle east return to the rotten place it has been for all these decades rather than admit that we are accomplishing something. You would rather snatch defeat from the jaws of victory rather than admit that President Bush accomplished something good. I sit here now in Baghdad without much need of a weapon because Iraq is now safer than Chicago. The truth is out there for those not blinded by their hatred of Bush and America. Quit pretending. If you really support us, go down to your local recruiting station and prove it.

    There is nothing dishonorable about this war nor is there anything illegal about it. We fight because it is the right thing to do.

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    • mothergoose says:
      January 2, 2009 at 12:01 pm

      I think you’re missing the point. I don’t want you to lose, I don’t think anyone on here wants you to lose. The point was that you shouldn’t have been there in the first place. So what good did Bush accomplish in this war? The fact that Saddam and his sons were killed? Could’ve sent cruise missiles to do that, or his father should have done it the first time…

      I’m certainly no Bush lover, but I’m by no means un-patriotic or an “America hater” because of it. In fact, this country is based on the right to disagree with politicians…if we all had to cow-tow to Bush, or any President for that matter, without dissent, then we’d be no better than the regime that Saddam ran.

      I also fail to see the need to go, or send my children to, a recruiting station to prove that I support the Armed Services. Does the fact that I’m not in the service mean I don’t care that thousands of families have lost loved ones to a war that was waged because one man saw an opportunity to finish his father’s business? Does the fact that I’m not in the service mean that I don’t support the young men and women that I know who are?

      Believe me, I would love to say that Bush accomplished something good in Iraq, but at what cost?

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    • DeathWyrmNexus says:
      January 2, 2009 at 12:03 pm

      *gives a hug* I know you’re hurting. You’re such a brave trooper. It’s okay. You’ll be home soon and this will be over. We know you’re brave. You have nothing to prove with us.

      It will be okay, I promise.

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    • Uncle Fester says:
      January 2, 2009 at 12:42 pm

      Oh, do be quiet you silly, little, boy…

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    • rick says:
      January 2, 2009 at 1:05 pm

      We should’ve went in there with an iron fist and left nothing unturned, instead of having reporters on the back of our trucks “reporting” on the race to Baghdad! I don’t care if there was going to be high civilian casualties! The casualties totaled to this day out weigh the amount that would have died if we did things right! Not to mention our fallen brothers and sisters and the lives they must lead with the memories…………
      Plus, we fight because we are told to, only reason………………

      I’ve been out for just over two years and I am still recovering from my demons……………
      Former SGT McKinney
      US Army
      (kuwait/iraq 02/03 and all of 05 in Iraq)

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      • Uncle Fester says:
        January 2, 2009 at 1:23 pm

        Plus, we fight because we are told to, only reason………………

        Indeed. No need to go pumping the propaganda, since on the ground it doesn’t have the benefit of being soft, strong and absorbent.

        As to the ‘iron fist’… for what reason? The only reason Ba’ath’s could do most of what they did was that Presidents from Carter had been propping the monster up (a lot like the Shah of Iran) Politically, you don’t need a reason beyond being told to, but making ‘iron fist’ type muscular posturing, especially in terms of the history of US interventionist policies of the 20th Century, I’d keep the comments down to a dull roar. IF one cared to go Von Clauswitz on the whole mess, the error made was making a war such that you can trade with the people after, when the purpose of war tends to be the destruction of the opponent and permanent occupation while you rape the place. Then things move to Machiavelli, since there’s a whole chapter dedicated to taking and holding a hostile principality (from memory, it involved wiping out a lot of people…) All in all, in this day and age, it gets a bad press… although I’ sure radio would love it.

        Since Islam is more or less shaping up to be the Communism of the 21st C, then I’d add ‘Clerics’ to Uncle Niccolo’s list of ‘people to be removed’…

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    • Jane St.Clair says:
      January 3, 2009 at 8:57 am

      Sweeping generalizations win. I’m sure all the solidiers in my family would be glad to know you speak for them.

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  12. rhorho says:
    January 2, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    **GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENT**
    Just heard from Eds. He just finished moving, and will be back with us soon. :-)

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  13. Green Is Good says:
    January 2, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    If I may quote Pink Floyd:

    “Bring the boys back home”.

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  14. rick says:
    January 2, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    Nothing worse then awaking with sand in your teeth!

    Former SGT McKinney
    US Army
    (kuwait/iraq 02/03 and all of 05 in Iraq)

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  15. rick says:
    January 2, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    Did Saddam need to be out of power? Yes…………..
    Did he have nuclear capabilities? No
    WMDs possibly, BUT WMDs classify as nuclear, biological and chemical. He’s had chemicals in the past how do we know this? Because he’s used them on his people in the past! Not too had to bury some bad stuff in the desert when you have a year of preparation!
    Why are we still there? The higher ups had the incompetence of racing to Baghdad! Instead of methodically destroying and searching we had reporters on the back of our trucks!
    Going to Baghdad in MOP2 ain’t no joke and those of you who were in the military know what I mean!

    I’m willing to die for my country but not for an ungreatful people(there are a lot of great Iraqis but the ones who blow us up can go to Hell!)

    I’ve been out for just over two years and I am still recovering from my demons……………
    Former SGT McKinney
    US Army
    (kuwait/iraq 02/03 and all of 05 in Iraq)

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    • mothergoose says:
      January 2, 2009 at 12:59 pm

      Thank you for your service to our country. I had several friends who served (and some who are still there). I hope you are able to overcome your demons, they’ve had a tough go of it too I’m afraid, but most are doing well now. God Bless and Welcome Home.

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    • Uncle Fester says:
      January 2, 2009 at 1:36 pm

      Because he’s used them on his people in the past!

      Not only that, we knew because WE sold the ingredients and delivery technology to Saddam (chems by Haliburton. When genocide is the only option.). It’s only that the Israelis started getting pissy when the Canadian was working on Project Babylon. Quite WHO got old Gerry is debatable, but there was a small queue, whether it was Israel, who were upset the Iraq could drop a Ford Transit full of TNT on Jerusalem, or that turkey didn’t like the idea of a low orbit comms satellite broadcasting badly flanged Arab music and colour shifting announcers across the Eastern Med… take yer pick

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  16. GungaDin says:
    January 2, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    Prepare for a 180 degree turn by the effete liberals when the Chosen One sends more troops overseas- suddenly, it will be the right thing to do, based on accurate intelligence and wholly supported the the Liberal Media….

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  17. Kia says:
    January 2, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    i dont understand y they dont just go back home, ppl of iraq and afghanistan liberated, get while ur still alive.

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    • Uncle Fester says:
      January 3, 2009 at 12:59 am

      Afghanistan can never be ‘liberated’ since it’s always been less a country and more a bit of land nobody really wants to occupy. Barren, uncomfortable, and largely run by bandits. Closest it ever had to a stable govt was when they invited the Soviets in to prop them up… and we’ve all seen Rambo III to know how that turned out. The heroic Mujahadeen etc… (Gods, but this place needs a rolleyes)

      And to call Iraq ‘liberated’ is just spinning ‘replacing a Criminal Nutjob with a puppet until a Religious Nutjob gets power’ so it sounds nice.

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      • OhMyGoodness says:
        January 3, 2009 at 3:32 am

        I think Arthur Conan Doyle noted the problems of Afghanistan in his first Sherlock Holmes story. Little has changed since then. Unc, you’d know – who labeled Afghanistan the “devourer of empires”? Kipling? A Churchill?

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        • Uncle Fester says:
          January 3, 2009 at 9:34 am

          I’m sorry I haven’t a clue. Both Rudyard and Winnie were capable of that description. It’s apt. It’s even redolent of something from Neil Gaiman…

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  18. Someone says:
    January 3, 2009 at 5:34 am

    I just want him home already. Stop loss are the two most foul words in the English language.

    He would be here with me right now.

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  19. AC says:
    January 3, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    :(
    Hearing the caption in a voice that sounds tired, worn out and defeatist….

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  20. slaggingham says:
    January 5, 2009 at 11:21 am

    Normandy was nastier. They kept winning anyway.

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  21. Tabitha says:
    January 6, 2009 at 10:13 am

    I have never commented on any of these boards before…but this picture just breaks my heart. :-(

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  22. regul8tr says:
    January 7, 2009 at 8:48 am

    HOOAH!

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  23. darknostrils says:
    January 11, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    That guy Bob should be ashamed to attribute the caption to our military service members. That caption could be seen as a whiner wanting to leave, but more likely it is the sentiment of the whole country and that includes our citizens serving their duty without complaint until ordered otherwise. The big picture includes all of the USA and its allies and the tasks at hand overseas, not just these service members and their supporters or the fragile as yet insecure neighborhoods they would leave behind. We went in there and we stayed there long enough to get their country to realize and work toward attaining their own sovereignty and security. We’ve got an agreement to help maintain that on a less invasive level and what appears to be necessary appears to be what is happening. The truth is we are not a colonial invader or imperial regime. We were liberators that removed a despotic tyrant. Just because some guys get a picture when they’re tired and taking a rest with some caption put on it as everyone should know, doesn’t mean it’s their sentiment, and if it is so be it as long as they are doing their duty. It goes even farther to show the strength of our country as many others here have mentioned: even if a soldier, airman, seaman or marine does not agree with the politics of a military action, they still serve their duty with full conviction to complete the tasks they swore to accomplish despite the sentiment, in the face of all enemies. The sentiment of service to the security and cohesive strength of this country or the ally under which they serve the free western world is still stronger than any sentiment or action that would detract from our supported action. How many terrorist suicide bombers work to defend any kind of country and its peace against enemies without being forced to die and even if they had free will, get blown up by some other terrorist standing down the block with the trigger in their own hand instead? There’s a big difference between the freedom we have and the oppressive manipulation that goes on under those extremist religious movements. Some might even argue that in the west, poverty along with oppressive conservative religious movements force the poor into military service and death similar to a suicide bomber. The difference is, that unlike the terrorist, military MEMBERS have to free will to choose to leave the military when their agreed upon service contract is over and our political leadership doesn’t have the need or use of minimal tactics of terrorism whereby people deliberately kill themselves for the purpose of scaring civilians into submission to their oppressive, destructive, maniacal control. But I digress.

    “We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

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    • AC says:
      January 11, 2009 at 1:41 pm

      LOL!

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    • Uncle Fester says:
      January 11, 2009 at 2:18 pm

      It goes even farther to show the strength of our country as many others here have mentioned: even if a soldier, airman, seaman or marine does not agree with the politics of a military action, they still serve their duty with full conviction to complete the tasks they swore to accomplish despite the sentiment, in the face of all enemies.

      That idea didn’t fly at Nuremberg. Just saying.

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  24. Indy says:
    September 9, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    Whoever made this probably would have said the same thing during World War II. And World War I. And during a little conflicted called the American Revolutionary War. “I wanna go home…waaaaa” Real men say “Yeah, this sucks. But you know what? Nazi troops marching down Broadway would suck too” So go drink your double vanilla latte with soy milk and twitterpate with your Blackberry with the rest of the sheep.

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  25. Factopo says:
    November 16, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    Oh yes, I forgot there was a war on. Thanks. http://www.factopo.com/index/siteIndex.html.

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  26. Uncle Fester says:
    January 3, 2009 at 10:21 am

    Your first pet was called ‘Beau’? what was it?

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  27. Jane St.Clair says:
    January 3, 2009 at 11:34 am

    Well, that’s really short for Beaureguard (sp?). My mom named him and she took French, not me. He was a St. Bernard mixed with a black lab, so really what we ended up with was an all black St. Bernard. Extremely cool dog.

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