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Completely true of what chappell would say. But only if he WAS in office…. sigh.
I would totally endorse Chappell as Press Secretary.
“What the hell kind of question is that? Man, get the #$%@ outta here!”
And then the unwashed masses would revolt.
They’re already revolting…and disgusting…
I can’t fault that… but it’s a view held by the worst of right wingers… only good for cannon fodder and servants…
Like Stalin?
Stalin – communist leader… man who taught the right win everything they know about ‘people skills’…
Or European monarchies.
Let them eat cake!
200 years ago in France… an urban legend…
Semantics.
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Jean-Jacques Rousseau’s 12-volume autobiographical work Confessions, was written in 1770. In Book 6, which was written around 1767, he recalls:
At length I recollected the thoughtless saying of a great princess, who, on being informed that the country people had no bread, replied, “Then let them eat pastry!”
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Not that I’m judging, mind you, derogatory attitudes from the priveleged toward the masses well predates the phrase hoi polloi.
I’d agree.. the Greeks were pretty much social Darwinists…
Point being, for those who didn’t catch it, that throughout history this mentality crosses the spectrum of political ideologies. It’s not exclusive to right-wing conservatives — the very society most lauded as being the originator of democracy (arguably, UF, I concede that) coined the original deragatory term for the lowest classes.
the hoi polloi? i always thought it meant hot chicken.
I see what you did there
The irony is that occasionally people will confuse if for “hoity toity” which I find no-end amusing, naturally.
A lady I know says “hotsy trotsy.” I can’t
bear to correct her, of course.
In the current mindset, however, the great unwashed, with just enough intelligence to be slaves or cannon fodder (which is an Imperial Roman view) are irredeemably so, and money is the sole basis of power, and it is a Right Wing conceit.
The Left believe that, given a chance, even the ones commonly viewed as the lowest of the low can actually make something of themselves if the system isn’t weighted against them. Equal opportunities for all being the ideal but in the end the ‘system’ becomes bureaucratic, corrupt and generally unworkable, with ‘some pigs being more equal than others’
Both are almost certainly equally right, and equally wrong…
The biggest problem a lot of right-wingers have with the ‘equal opportunities’ spouted by the Left (capital L) is that it tends to go a little too far, trying to ‘pay back’ injustices of the past. In that way, you don’t have equal protection under the law, or even equal rights. Instead, you have a minority (misnomer) given something simply BECAUSE he/she is a minority. It doesn’t happen all the time, but it happens with enough frequency that it causes alarm bells in the Conservative’s mind. Then, they overcompensate the other direction, and no one is happy.
*overcompensate IN the other direction.
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Sorry.
As a leftie, my biggest trouble with the right
is the spin-machine that points only to the
failures (inherent in any bureaucracy) and
uses the exception to debunk the entire
system. In the light of day, social programs,
while not perfect, do help the majority of
those who need them. For example, the notion
that “welfare mothers” do nothing but collect
checks and have more children is pervasive,
yet widely untrue in most cases.
I question the motivation behind the spin,
finding myself doubtful that those on the right
want to help anyone but themselves.
At the risk of drawing Right Wing laser fire, I will state that they Do want to help just themselves…
I fight the conclusion, but it’s there, so yes.
If ‘diversity’ was as benign as it sounds, then ‘affirmative action’ would no longer be necessary. I mentioned both sides having issues with being able to do it right, and I stand by that. The Left goes too far to ‘pay back’, the Right overcompensates to the point that the car goes off the road. We shouldn’t debunk an entire system for a few abuses, but we also don’t need to use that system (i.s. ‘diversity’ or ‘affirmative action’ or whatever you want to call it) to screw over those who you feel aren’t as worthy because they haven’t struggled. This is where the Middle Class suffers more than anyone, because a lower middle class white kid will be passed over in favor of a lower middle class minority with the exact same scores, or even lower scores. Where does that leave the lower middle class non-minority?
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That’s an extreme example, and doesn’t happen often. It’s also a talking point, but I will cite the story I’m talking about if you’ll remind me when I get home. It wasn’t an internet story, it was in a book I read……I’ll see if I can find iit on the internet for sh!ts and giggles. It has happened in the past, though, and that’s what starts the Right pinging like a sonar. Then thyey decide to do away with the whole thing. It’s a mess.
This post was in answer to Fester’s quote here: “Equal opportunities for all being the ideal but in the end the ’system’ becomes bureaucratic, corrupt and generally unworkable, with ’some pigs being more equal than others’”
There is a reason why I try to avoid the race question on applications. Not because I think I am a victim because I know others have it worse. I try to avoid it because my skin shouldn’t matter in the job market. It is why I never really liked affirmative action as it made people into commodities like Pokemon. The gotta catch them all attitude of it was rather annoying.
Granted, I can see why it is implimented since apparently we have wank jobs who have issue with skin color but I still felt the niggling urge to post my annoyance.
I’m not 100% sure that the ‘what race are you’ question on applications should be done away with. If we are truly past racism, or are to GET past it, then we need to quit harping on it. Don’t forget it, but don’t harp on it.
@Froo: That goes to my point of the right
side clinging to examples of failures to create
a prevailing opinion of a program as a whole.
What is the motivation? Destruction of the
program. Why? You tell me.
Until very recently, the word “liberal” was
enough to send the lefties scrambling for
cover, for fear of having the label pinned to
them. The right wing machine is efficient.
The same holds true for another term,
“unpatriotic,” which could stand as the
foremost reason, post 9/11, that most
Democrats were self-squelched during
the run-up to the “war on terror.”
I don’t think the program should be done away with, I think it should be changed to actually give equal opportunities that are afforded by the Constitution. The abuses of the system are not numerous, but they are damaging.
There is no need to hang on to a broken system just because it SHOULD work. If it has such major problems that people are getting ‘paid back’ as opposed to being given simply equal footing, then we need to get a better system. Then you’re just taking the discrimination to the other side.
being a libertarian i would like to see completely double blind application processes… the problem is that it’s hard to conduct an ingterview undera cape with a voice modulator.
LOL, I don’t mind the interview process being done in person, that’s the only way to really get a handle on how someone is. Although I understand what yu’re saying, in that the bigotry would just wait to come out after meeting the person. I’m a realist. I know that bigotry isnt’ going to go away just because I want it to. But, I’m also on the internet, and I’m allowed to dream
@Froo:
See? You’re calling it “broken.” Why?
Another righft tactic, once the false premise
is established, is to take away funding,
running a program into the ground, then
point to the shambles as further proof that
it didn’t work.
I’m calling it broken because of the way it’s been abused. I’m not saying that every case, or even most of them, are like the one that I used, but it happens enough times to make the Constitutional Amendment about equal protection under the law null and void. I’m blanketing here, and I’ll admit it. That doesn’t remove the point.
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What would you do to stop the abuses, without admitting that it’s broken?
Like the rest of the left side of the aisle, I’ll be very happy when affirmative action is no longer needed. But the deck has been stacked so heavily for so long that eliminating the need is a task of epic proportions. It has to start with equalizing the quality of education opportunities available from early childhood forward, and that means, at minimum, a radical shift in how we fund our public school systems. It also means correcting the gross disparity in the criminal justice system that puts 1 American in 100 in jail – but 1 black male in 15. And that in turn means bringing sanity to our drug policy and decent jobs that pay living wages to our inner cities.
Long story short (too late!), there will be no need for affirmative action when we’ve overhauled society top to bottom.
It’s a dynamic entity, and modifications have
been made along the way, both to improve
efficacy and to deter fraud. “Work-fare”
instead of “welfare” is one example.
Scrapping the system is not called for here.
It’s not broken, but it’s not perfect. It needs
fine-tuning, not a wrecking ball.
[LINK] Full article
Sorry. Above was @froo.
ubr wrote: “being a libertarian i would like to see completely double blind application processes…”
Yes, that would be lovely! Still, as you say, the interview bit gets tricky. I’d settle for a process where all applications were totally anonymous up to the point of the interview, because I am quite sure that a lot of people vanish before that who would in fact be more suitable for the job they’re applying for. (People with the wrong sort of name, for instance: Any female name, any “muslim-sounding” name etc.) I am talking about Sweden here, not sure what it’d look like in the US.
I can tell you all, getting a personal interview with an applicant is absolutely necessary for most jobs. Especially in the US, where, increasingly, any available jobs are likely to be in the service sector. I can’t be hiring anyone to work weiht my guests without knowing what kind of personality they have, and what kind of image they project. Maybe for those hypothetical “good jobs” where you are judged on the quality of work you produce, and aren’t required to deal with any coworkers or guests, a blind interview process would work.
*with my guests
Double blind interview…? So you’re saying if I own a company I can’t give my friend a job just because he’s my friend? What the F#*$? What’s the point of owning a business if I can’t help out my friends along the way?
Not to mention, do you really thing a biggot upon selecting an applicant who shows up to work the first day and turns out to be black or muslim or whatever…that biggot isn’t going to simply come up with a reason to let the employee go?
@ Froo
I’ve never found text as sexy as I find yours. The problem with Affirmative Action, in retrospect is twofold:
1) It never did what it was supposed to. In the 80′s our gov realized that inner city kids, predominantly minority, were not getting as good of an education as their white suburban counterparts. Thus, they realized that these kids were handicapped in the job market as soon as they graduated high school. AA was designed as a short term solution to decrease the gap until the schools could be brought up to snuff. Problem was, we’ve never brought the inner city schools up to the same standards as the suburban schools. (nor will we ever for a lot of different reasons) So AA kept plugging along. Once again, the stop gap solution became the perm.
2) If no one is to be denied employment, housing, etc based on their race, age, faith, class, etc, then they almost must NOT be given employment, housing, ect based upon the same. No, we cannot have our cake and eat it too. AA is as unconstitutional as Jim Crowe laws.
Like so many things, the temporary solution became the final solution…
I’d always been told that (heartless as the bourgeois may have been) that particular tale was almost certainly pure propaganda…
MA was in her teens when the statement was made. Hell, not one of us here would care to be held to the rubbish we held as true at 13-19…
Pah! I would!
Then again… You aren’t past 19 yet so of course you would. I think that is where we say Duh and move on.
@AC…I would really like to get your take on that in, say, 30 years.
Yes, thank you, I was going for “captain obvious” there….
Jings…..
Gah! That last was @ DWN.
I noticed on both counts.
UF wrote: “MA was in her teens when the statement was made.”
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Or not even born. While I am not saying I believe Wikipedia is always right, it says there: “The original quote comes from Jean-Jacques Rousseau’s Confessions: /…/ He was referring to an incident in Grenoble, 1740, ten years before Marie Antoinette was born.”
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I’ve seen a few theories of who might possibly have said it, including some that it hasn’t actually been said at all, and to add to that, it referred to brioche, and I have an interesting link to that in my name.
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So all in all, yeah, I’d agree with those who say that’s mainly a propaganda thing.
Actually, she said it in French: ‘Qu’ils mangent des gâteaux’, which could be translated either to cake or pastry.
What’s your source for that?
the bit about MA speaking french, or the bit about ‘cake’='pastry’?
The bit about her actually saying it, and in that particular wording.
Oh, and re-reading the full thread, I realise that Swing’s comment is placed such that it does not refer to Marie-A, but to “a great princess”. Still. I don’t have Rousseau in French in my bookshelves, so I can’t look it up properly, but have to rely on the interwebs, where it says “brioche”. :/
Interesting bit from Wiki behind my name…
Look about one “page-up” up – I had the same link in my name with the comment “it referred to brioche, and I have an interesting link to that in my name”.
Ha! Beat you to it! (Please let me gloat, I never do the winz on the interwebz. ) ;p
Missed your link… indeed, you got there first
All right, I admit not looking for sources
But still, brioches can be either a bread or a pastry, depending where you’re from. It’s still yummy ^_^
That’s right, they stink on ice!
/Mel Brooks movie reference
He’d certainly keep things interesting. Chris Rock would too *love Chris Rock*
Someone should tell him that simply shouting it doesn’t make it funny if it wasn’t funny to start with
I agree with you in principle, but I’ve never heard a Chris Rock joke that didn’t have me rolling on the ground laughing. I get a lot of use out of a Chris Rock cd, because it takes several times through just to hear the parts I missed laughing.
On a related note, someone should tell Lorne Michaels that if a joke isn’t funny in thirty seconds, it doesn’t get any better when you turn it into a twelve minute sketch.
i’d definitely watch more press conferences…
They’d become pay-per-view events.
Now we know Obama’s secret plan for solving the economic crisis and paying down the defecit — appoint Dave Chappelle press secretary, Chris Rock secretary of health and human services and Cedric the Entertainer head of the federal communications commission … and we’ll have a surplus in no time!
And Bankers fighting to the death for cash… I’d pay to watch that…
RIGGETTTTY ROW is COMING!
Dreck
Breck.
Trek.
Wreck.
Trebek!
Check!
Shrek!
OMG love it!
It’s been years and submitters still haven’t figured out that headlines on TV and in books never end in a full stop.
Periods are good things, but not in headlines.
didn’t they just add the headlines thing a couple weeks ago?
Let’s start something. I’m bored.
Dis LOL wud be LOTz moar LOLable if it habbed a kewt kitteh innit…
Well, that wasn’t me… great another hijacker…
Crap! Those were some of my best fightin’ words, too…
only if it was bleeding
Oh dear God please don’t start LOLcat talk. Those people are retards.
*bleh* sorry, i just threw up a bit in my mouth…
A lot.
you threw up a lot in his mouth?
Why? Jealous?
Very Spinal Tap…
“It’s not like you can dust for vomit”
Let’s start the Anti Fester appreciation society! Then he’ll come over and we can laugh at him….
*runs to fetch popcorn*
I have the feeling he’s already here… the parasite.
You don’t really want to start a troll society?
At the moment I think he’s just highjacking ids… saddo…
Well, he certainly can’t compose on his own merits. Maybe he can
learn something in the process of emulating others.
imitation is the highest form of flattery…
Or the last refuge of someone who has shot his bolt…
I didn’t mean to. I got startled with all the yelling…
“he certainly can’t compose on his own merits”
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Maybe he should decompose, then.
Ohhh, HHNF could come too and maybe Bob would return from the Cayman Islands….
Ah, such fun….
Ah, the pathetic Scotch dwarf speaks. Did you get your English master’s permission (UF)?
Remember- tradesmen may not speak to the gentry !
And someone English dares to talk to others about Class conciousness….when they are the worst in the world.
Aw, did him getum his widdle feelers hurted by the mean Englishman spanking his widdle hinie?
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It’s cute how you think you matter.
“spanking his widdle hinie”
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*shudders*
Please, on top of everything else, don’t make us picture his hiney!
My, you really are a pathetic nonentity…
Ah! You did turn up!
*laughs*
*eats popcorn*
I think after his shameful display where he managed to place himself on a rung somewhere below HHNF on the ‘Damned Liar’ stakes, I think he’s licking his wounds…
She showed up a few threads ago and managed to refrain from starting trouble. There may be hope yet.
Don’t count on it.
Matters not to me either way. I merely observe, point, and laugh.
That’s the right attitude. For me, it’s like a train wreck: It’s
going to make me squicky, but I still have to watch, for
whatever reason.
It’s funny ‘cuz he’s black.
no, it’s funny because it’s dave chappell. troll.
It was inevitable…
oh rly?
The amount of ‘affirmative action’ bull droppings flying, it was inevitable…
Is my browser broken, or does this have only 1 1/2 Lincoln Heads right now?
i think it’s because the creator misspelled “chappele’s” name… and the idea is funny, but the caption is kind of off…
*snerk* …and then you did it, too, ubr. It’s “Chappelle”.
Not picking, it’s just funny.
lol. that’s what i get for talking smack… i have the seasons on dvd… so go figure…
I don’t get it either. I loled.
They ought to get Dave to step in as press sec. on April Fools Day.
btw, where is DWN? has anyone seen him lately?
I have.
lol. had me worried for a minute…
Nothing to be worried about. I just cut back my presence. I’m still here in some form.
He’s around.
Just means I need to work out more. Stupid round.
Correction: remove the more. I would have to work out to work out more…
Shhh…. Don’t alert people to that sort of logic. It will make it so much harder to make promises like “Yes, this year I will exercise at least thrice as much as I normally do”.
everyone go to roflrazzi! i made the front page! woohoo!
Oh, a distraction. *goes*
Hey look, a shiny thing!!
I agree completely.
Dave Chappelle, huh? I watched his show a couple times, but never all the way through because it only came on so late at night. Some skits were pretty funny, but most of the time they were just screaming about crack and stuff. He’s all right, though.
srsly? he’s probably the best skit comic of his generation. go watch the clayton bigsby sketch and see…
For those in the mood for levity, new lol in my grouping.
the two new ones are pretty good…
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new favorites for me.
LOL! You took my ginger application quote.
Ages ago I took a quote from you – see link
(and comments section).
I’m surprised that he would get a longer delay than Don Cherry. What, 3 or 4 seconds more than Grapes?
..10-second delay? I don’t get it.
The do it on ‘live’ phone-in programs to allow bleeping of profanity.
used as a precaution. some programs build in a delay so they can bleep foul language. otherwise, they can be subject to a fcc fine.
haha! i can totally see Dave Chappelle as press secretary! XD
when is dave chappelle coming back with new material?