LIBERALISM
The result of being too open minded to take one’s own side in an argument.
(Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama)
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Holy crap. How did I miss out on this one? This is an honest critique. That’s all I’ll say because I have a life outside of PK (blasphemy) and I’m way to tipsy to post online right now. Dno’t drink and post, kids!
Hahaha. I first read this and I thought “Hey, that’s a bunch of….wait, well maybe they have a point, I should be fair and consider the LoL creators point of view…oh crap…I am too open minded!”
Political Party WIN
this is still one of my favorite PKs ever… its just.. so true.. i actually loled at this and i havent truly laughed at PK for a while
just like to say that the same person made this LOL and the one before it
FAIL.
I don’t even understand
What’s the joke supposed to be?
I wonder too.
I am also in the dark.
It’s a common critique of liberalism. We see all sides of things, we don’t want to impose our beliefs on others, we recognize the validity of other views… often to the point that we won’t take our own side in an argument. Another common critique is just the opposite, that we bicker internally over the tiniest of difference. Somehow, both critiques are actually true at the same time.
Not to mention the fact that all liberals are insane.
wait, you DONT want to impose your views??? That’s a new one…
for some cons, it doesn’t need to make any sort of sense or be clever. it’s enough to vaguely imply that liberals are goofy and, therefore untrustworthy. so there is a joke buried in there somewhere, though not the one the poster intended, i think. c’mon youse guys, at least make an effort. it’s not like you don’t have plenty of materiel to work with.
“c’mon youse guys, at least make an effort”
LOLZ BUSH IZ STOOPUD.
Or something to that effect. Hello Pot, my name is Kettle.
I wasn’t even trying to be snarky, I just genuinely don’t get it O_o Is it the bipartisan thing, as suggested below?
I’m pretty sure it’s a slam on liberalism, saying that it tries too hard to be open-minded and idealistic to actually get any work done or even make sense of what they’re talking about
now you know
I do agree that the joke is pretty weak. But then again, so are the slams against Bush and Palin now. Yes, we get it, libs think they’re stupid gun loving tax evading morons. Conservatives think Obama is a socialist who, apparently, if this caption is and indication, has no backbone. Both sets are rather lame. Let’s all just move on, k?
DAMN!
OK, who are you and what have you done with Blarg? That’s a fine point well made…
A snoo-snoo reference AND the correct use of “youse”?? I see that I’ve been away too long!
Yes, you have been away too long! *hugs*
/Kang and Kodos voice/
HUGS FOR ALL!!
*hugs rho back*
*hugs everyone*
*passes snack tray around*
Liberals come to positions via pragmatic decisions, which means their views aren’t subject to ideologies and those views are subject to change if a better idea comes along. Conservatives, who do have an ideological view of the world (everything can be fixed with tax cuts, deregulation and god), tend to see the liberal mode to be spineless and an inability to stand up for one’s views.
Laughably ignorant. But I’m sure you’ll dismiss it out of hand for not fitting into your ideology…
Sort of an anti proof-of-concept, wasn’t it? I’d say Obama is good for being anti-dogmatic (debatable, but I’d stick by it), but the same could be said of many people on both sides. I will point out, however, that you dismissed his concept out of hand and then accused him of dismissing your concept out of hand. Just sayin’
I agree….no, I disagree…well….damn it! I wonder if a tax cut would help me make up my mind.
well, OK here’s your $13.00 now make up your mind!
(ahem) My mind is made up. I would like more money, plz.
*scratches head*
So if you keep the $13.00 could we have free health care?
I am getting my PhD in literature and recognized this immediately.
It’s sort of an old Robert Frost quote, polularized by comedian Will Rogers, that actually states, “A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel.”
The rest of the quote states, “A conservative is someone who believes in reform. But not now.”
LOL!
Let me try this again. My apologies. That should have said “retort to” and not “rest of”. The second quote is attributed to Mort Stahl.
Sorry about the confusion.
Education win.
I clicked the “See All Captions” button and almost all of the submissions on just the first page were funnier than this.
“I object!” “You would!” is much more true to the relationship these two had during the primaries and fits the action and expressions caught in the pic. Voila! Funny!
I sense I am wasting my time……
Sadly, you’re right: The others are funnier than this one, and what’s
happening isn’t fair. *sigh*
Two anti-dem lols in a row? The end is near!
The crazy right-wing crowd here was likely complaining about “librul media bias” or something, and PK felt the need to compensate. Maybe if the conservatives would try harder to make their lols funny… 99% of all the lols these guys make aren’t lols at all. They’re just hate, with no punchline.
Wow. The left can’t argue their own case worth a damn if you take away the chanting and special effects, and gets mortally offended when anyone else tries to argue another case. Clearly, substantive discussion of any kind is anathema to you guys – but then, we knew that.
So, where’s your “substantive discussion”? Where’s the funny in the LOL? Pretty insubstantial in both cases.
Lately, the “substantive discussion” of the Right has been doublespeak: saying “history shows X is what works”, when clearly history shows the EXACT opposite. They have NOTHING to back up what they say anymore. I was taught in English Comp. II how to compose an argument–it needs to include support, e.g., examples, statistics, facts of some sort. All they do lately is get in front of the cameras and spout opinions. They look like 12-year-olds trying their hand at debate for the first time.
Enjoy your time in the wilderness, friend. Best of luck in 2010.
Conservatives were wrong on slavery, secession, segregation, women’s rights, civil rights, the privatizing of social security, and economics (before you whargarbl, my father is a top economist at CBO, and has spent a lifetime explaining to me why – regardless of all their arrogant talk about understanding economics – they just don’t seem to get it).
While the conservative movement has had a couple bright spots, it’s mostly been one big boatload of fail wrapped up all pretty in the American flag. So that we’re on the same page here, let me clarify a few things for you: evolution is the method of God’s creation and no magic genie was necessary; tax cuts are not always the best solution; war is not always the other best solution; making abortion illegal will not make it go away; democrats don’t want to take the guns out of your hands, they want to take the guns out of criminals’ hands; homosexuals are human beings and not the source of all our nation’s ills; oh, and the government you love to hate? It’s the government of the people, by the people, and for the people, you unpatriotic, unAmerican asshats.
Sit down. Please. It’s embarrassing. Someone needs to make a LOL of the republican elephant and throw it up on the fail page. Simple and to the point.
Yep, what ummmmno said. Except for the part about evolution being the method of God’s creation. Not convinced, who’s idea it all was.
I agree with you, PC. Except for the God thing, UmmmNo’s
comment is full of win!
Very true UmmmNo.
Democrats are not evil and want to turn us Commie (no matter what Fox News says).
Republicans are not evil, and not all ‘fat cats’ (no matter what the other news channels say).
As for the evolution comment that drew some attention… I agree. I use to be Atheist, but it was too much of a leap of faith (The odds are so far against it “just happening”, it’s far beyond “impossible”.) Someone or something must of loaded the dice.
Too much of a leap of faith for it to have happened? HA! Million-to-one chances crop up nine times out of ten!
Let me give a demonstration that will help make sense of it: a lottery!
I don’t know if it’s a local thing only, but here in Australia we have a weekly “Powerball” lottery. A set of 5 balls from balls is drawn from one barrel and 1 “powerball” from the other barrel, giving 45P5*45 or 54,979,155 possibly entries. Any one entry has a one in fifty-five million chance of winning, and yet it it’s won most weeks and has never gone more than about 5 weeks without being won. One to fifty-five million seems like HORRIBLE odds, but week after week it comes up because there are so many opportunities for it to happen. Judging by the size of the prizes, somewhere in the vicinity or fifteen to twenty-five million tickets are sold each week and the chances of there being a winner for the week suddenly don’t look so bad.
Back to the topic at hand with life and the current flavour of evolution “just happening”… we live in a Big Universe. Really, really Big. Big enough that I’m using a capital B on Big even though it’s a mid-sentence adjective. While the odds might not look good from a “these are the odds of Earth forming with the right components at the right distance from our sun and then the right things randomly happening to create the basics of life as we know it” point of view, in the really, really Long history of our really, really Big Universe the number of opportunities mean that it’s LIKELY for all those conditions to been met at least once in at least one place. It didn’t need to be life as we know it, of course – one little wobble somewhere could’ve made life as we don’t know it instead!
I think it’s important to mention that throughout all this I’m not declaring that nobody’s loaded the dice – just that the dice don’t need to have been loaded for those double sixes you just saw rolled.
Thanks for taking the time to write that.
I think I would have failed at remaining calm like that.
Yayy! Someone else understands us, Danbala!
Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
Hey there
Whutwhut?
“I think I would have failed at remaining calm like that.”
I know what you mean, D. P’s “must of” got to me, too. ;P
Yes… I thought about how to respond, but was afraid I’d froth so much it’d wreck my keyboard.
“Million-to-one-chances crop up nine times out of ten.” LOL! Someone’s been reading his Pratchett.
“I don’t know if it’s a local thing only, but here in Australia we have a weekly “Powerball” lottery. A set of 5 balls from balls is drawn from one barrel and 1 “powerball” from the other barrel,”
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We used to have something similar back East, which led to the following joke:
Q: What has six balls and screws you once a week?
A: The lottery
[ba-dum-bump!]
“Democrats are not evil and want to turn us Commie (no matter what Fox News says).”
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Silly person!
We don’t want to turn everyone into Commies! That’s SO 1950s!
We want to turn everyone into NEEEEgroes!
Except the people who are already NEEEEgroes… we’re going to turn THEm into hommasexxshuals.
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[a la Homer Simpson] Oh, by the way, in case you couldn’t tell, I was being sarcastic.
I’d expect that to be on the talk networks within 12 hours of posting
“Democrats, while not only causing cancer, also want to …”
“evolution is the method of God’s creation and no magic genie was necessary”
Other than that sentence I agree with a lot of what you said. Randomness and the influence of the environment to adaptation has nothing to do with God, just luck. It’s basically like “being at the right or wrong place at the right or wrong time”. No one could have predicted a random meteor hitting the earth killing dinosaurs as much as one can predict the weather.
But going back on topic.
Tax cuts was my biggest issue during the Bush administration; if you plan to go to war, you need funds, you get funds from taxes, and taxes are paid by people! The most logical step would to raise taxes to fund the war, right? But no, taxes were cut, especially for rich people who would have contributed quite a bit, but since they didn’t as much, we are in a huge deficit. There are times people have to betray their party/ideas for the good of the whole. However, humans being stubborn creatures, tend to be looking out for themselves and their kind, rather than those who oppose their views. It’s pathetic.
Actually, they could have taxed you all to penury and they still couldn’t have afforded the war without the Govt Bond shares to Russia, China, and the House of Saud… So, they did tax cuts to please the goundlings, and sold the country into hock for the next 2000 years…
umm no you’re an idiot….The Republican Party was originally created to free the slaves……..Fail
-The Republican party was not originally created to free the slaves.
-UmmmNo specifically said “Conservatives,” not Republicans.
Hotjoe, you officially fail.
I has a sad for our educational system, Hotjoe was, apparently, left behind.
*sobs at the mental image of Hotjoe standing on a dirt
road, almost obliterated from view by the dust kicked up
in the school bus’s wake*
Rho, Hotjoe was actually correct. The Republican Party was created as an anti-slavery party. [LINK] So I’m not getting why everyone thinks he was left behind.
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Also, just to clarify, UmmmNo may have started the post by saying conservatives, but by closing it with Republicans, they are clearly equating the two.
Oh eddiepscetti… seems you missed the school bus too. m00finsan caught the fineline distinction. I had said “conservative” not “Republican”. When the Republican party was born, its founding members were not just considered liberal, they were considered radical-liberals.
Yea everyone who said I “Officially Fail” officially fails……when the Republican Party was first formed in the 1860′s , yes it was formed my radical liberals but back then the TERM liberal meant a completely different thing. the term liberal back then referred to ideologies in which today would be called “conservative”…..So me saying Republicans back then are linked to modern say conservatism is correct, you all not looking into the meaning of words in relation to the time period, instead using mere terminology is EPIC FAIL
For the time they were ‘liberal’ however… in the same way yhtrat the liberals of our time are liberal for our time… liberal is liberal only against its own social context…
so saying ‘it was liberal then but not now’ is specious.
It was ‘liberal’ and ‘radical’ then… but what was their ‘liberalism’ is now expected… like not having slave for example. It’s still a liberal stance for their culture.
Indeed. The “Democratic” and “Republican” parties have essentially swapped over the years. Read: Lincoln – Republican. JFK – Democrat.
Actually HotJoe, we DO know that. What you are failing to see is that the comment you responded to said CONSERVATIVE, not Republican. You just compounded your fail by admitting that Republicans were the Liberals of their day.
No, jane. He was asking “what have conservatives done in the past” I used the term republicans because throughout time, even though the term “liberal” has changed, the ideologies of people who call themselves “republicans hasn’t no matter what point in time you are in. In the past, they were called Liberals, in the present, conservatives. they still held the title Republican. Please read anniemcphees comment. So in fact, UmmmNp and anyone else who contradicted what I initially said, has Failed.
Please read up more on this stuff before you post, thank you.
*watches through welding helmet as Hotjoe
melts in the white heat of his exponentially
compounded fail*
Rhorho, You have given no explanation to why i actually fail, just cute little phrases that you think are clever little bits of wit. Try again. You Fail mate.
When nearly everyone around me has agreed with me and i give you a clear explanation of why you fail, and why you are wrong yet you come back with nothing substantial except little phrases to make you feel better, pseudo-intellectual FTFail
Erm, ‘Agreed’? Who?
Hotjoe, When you’re in a hole, quit digging,
okay? You’re not the first one to get
confused. Why so prideful? A simple “oops”
would suffice. The further you go into it,
trying to come out ahead, the sillier you
look. Now you’re calling me names for
distraction, silly, silly one! Jane explained it
very well, so there’s nothing to add. Just
say “oops” and quit trying to be a rooster.
If you do so, I promise to stop pointing and
laughing.
annie mcphee explained it very well. Is all you read comments that agree with you? really? This whole thing was about me using the term “Republican” to reffer to conservative ideologies in the 1860′s. You and a few other said i was wrong about that, when in fact, if you knew anything about it, you’d know that was correct. “Radical Liberals” back then held on to ideas that today would be considered conservative. Radical Liberals created the Republican party, which was made to help free the slaves. What do I have to say oops about? You so far have failed to make any type of rebuttal to that, I’m waiting. As long as you avoid the subject with “Hotjoe you aren’t smart, go die” than the only one pointing fingers here is me and anyone else who knows about this thing.
Like I said, I’m waiting. Quit being a fool
You sir, are the fool… By Roman standards
American conservatives would have been
considered seditiously liberal…
SO you’re proving what? That social mores
change? Ya don’t say…
in the 18th C men were termed ‘pretty’
and women ‘handsome’… It’s like saying
the same thing…
Simply due to the way the Overton window
slops about over time on different issues
means nothing, unless you take it in terms
of their own culture. By the standards of
their time, they were Liberal… makes no
odd what their opinion is now… Another
example, another Regency one in fact. By
18th C standards I’m frighteningly butch for
a man of my class… Does that make me
‘butch’ now, or a slightly camp Englishman
of dubious past?
So, I reiterate, you, sir, are being a fool
calling the lady a fool, since she could mop
the floor with you and then wring the
remnants in to a zinc bucket…
In reply to HotJoe, that is exactly correct. I doubt these folks have even read von Mises’ “Liberalism” (even though the entire book is available online for free), or are taking the meaning of “Liberal” into account. Of course it refers to liberty, which isn’t economic and social control, but the opposite.
Though the term is still used abroad to refer to fiscal “conservatives” (i.e. free market supporters) so our overseas friends might understand it a little better. I spent my first year online with a liberal friend from the UK, and he constantly derided certain socially intolerant feminists that they were NOT “liberals” in any true sense; took me longer to find out that he was big on socialism economically; but was socially tolerant/liberal. This is why I try to always use the word “left” or “leftist” now – classical liberalism (it did not need a modifier of that sort in the beginning) is a far different thing than leftism.
And so it goes…
Not ALL fiscal conservatives are 100%
Anarcho-Capitialist (which is what ‘free
market’ implies…) in fact, all but the very
stupid, very naive, or ones employed by
very large corporations are in favour of
some restraints on the corporate (supply)
end of the ‘market’.
Citing Von Mises as a model for what is
radical liberalism is akin to citing Machiavelli
and Von Clauswitz as models of how
government works work.
As a society evolves, it’s definition of what is
‘liberal’ evolves as much as the definition of
‘governance’ evolves… once being ‘liberal’
was non-slave ownership, later it was
universal suffrage, later it was
decriminalising homosexual behaviour…
and every step of the way, the
‘conservative’ (read ‘reactionary’ ) social
forces stood against them, and every time
they have eventually fallen, usually by being told,
STFU, this is how it’s going to be…
The concepts of fiscal ‘conservatism’ and
‘liberalism’ are almost an entirely post
19th C phenomenon, as Malthus, who was
long vilified, was begun to be proved right.
For a true free market to work, in many
respects you need a large segment of
people kept in crushing poverty to keep
prices low, and not pissing off the middle
(white collar) class, where you get
radicalism and revolution formented
if you miss handle them… According to the
‘Trend analysis’ division of the MOD, the
future face of the urban terrorist is white,
middle class, and organised into flash mobs.
Financial ‘Liberalism’ is, at it’s heart, a concept by which there is ‘some’ financial’ freedoms for the ‘producer class’, without actually encouraging the ‘producer class’ to want to ‘better itself’. Financial ‘Conservatism’ actually positively wants the ‘producer class’ not to want anything, other than to slave for the greater glory of the market, on almost nothing, while having just enough money to be a consumer…
The issues of then become: So you want ‘Brave New World’ or ‘Animal Farm’ as a ‘blueprint, not a warning’…
Apologies for some noise words in there… Firefox word wrapping.
Yep. The meaning has become the opposite of what it is, and it’s one thing I don’t like about commentators like Coulter and Limbaugh giving in to the new definition of liberalism. I’m a liberal; the left is something different.
And I wasn’t equating the two. I was simply suggesting a new LOL, simple and to the point, to reflect what the republican party (which has self-proclaimed itself to be the ‘conservative’ party even though it was founded as a radically-liberal party) has been reduced to, which is a boatload of fail.
Damn you and your reasoned debating style…
You, I like…
I still like Eddie too… for him to be ‘wrong’ that badly just proves there is a far end to the Bell curve… even the most reasonable get the wires crossed in the weft and weave of shifting political mores…
Sorry Eds, you know I <3 you but what UmmmNo said below.
Or above, rather. D’oh!
Ok, I’ll retract.. I was feeling a bit put off by outside influences and let my emotions run away with me.
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*sigh*
See my comment above… it was a blip. Happens to the best of us (and me…)
You were “feeling a bit put off by outside
influences,” eh? Sounds like Chocolate
Deficit Disorder to me…
*offers Eds some Hershey’s Kisses*
Oooooooo, I have CDD! I can has meds naow?
Do you want the IV or the half-price after
Valentine’s Day sale box?
Which method gets me peanut butter m&m’s?
You mean like these?
*gives Jane a bowl of peanut butter M&Ms*
*snatches bowl and starts shoving their yummy goodness in*
What?
WOOOOOOO Official FailPantyParty!!!! I’ve got brownies!!!
Ze said conservatives, nothing about the Republicans, past or present.
Man, what’s that smell? Oh, thats right. It’s bullshit.
Thank you for the reasoned, point by point, demolition of the commentary…
I think that you really had him on the ropes with the near Paineian dissection of his third point…
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Basically, if that’s the best you can do, go to failblog… you’ll fit right in…
Uncle Fester, I don’t care what everyone else says about you, I like how your mind works!
Nicely put, sir or madam.
“The left can’t argue their own case worth a damn if you take away the chanting and special effects, ”
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Aw, shuddup. You’re just jealous because we HAVE a case that consists of something other than 1) tax cuts for the wealthiest 1%, 2) corporate deregulation, 3) whining about Obama.
Also, “chanting and special effects”? What are you smoking, and can you share it with the rest of us?
Watch out asking a GOP hack to share. You don’t want Chorkie to
accuse you of trying to “spread the wealth,” do you?
“Watch out asking a GOP hack to share.”
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Why not? They’re willing enough to split the bill they spent the last eight years running up.
True that. Obama is already being blamed for the mess he’s
trying to fix. Color me naive, but I thought it would have
two months to start…
Yuck! “have” should be “take” there. Bad rhorho!
Less what he’s smoking and more what he’s stopped taking…
So you’re accusing liberals of not being open to new ideas?
Logic Fail.
the only reason you dont think they’re funny is because they are anti democrat.
Perhaps. But I found the majority of the anti-Bush lols unfunny as well.
I never said I didn’t find THIS particular lol unfunny. I chuckled a little, as there’s some truth to it. I cannot find humor in the lols that some particular conservatives make here – the ones that are based in fantasy, requiring the reader to believe that our President is a secret-muslim, communist, Kenyan born Hitler.
Hate is no basis for humor, is what I’m saying.
yeah its definately not a 5 but its not a 2 either. and this lol has nothing to do with those things that you mentioned.
And that’s why it’s on the front page, and 99% of the far-right “lols” are not.
“the only reason you dont think they’re funny is because they are anti democrat.”
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1. Liberal and Democratic (note correct ending) are not interchangeable terms
2. None of the liberals with whom I’m personally acquainted are so morally and logically weak as to be unable to stand up for their own beliefs
3. The picture used for the lol does not strike me as being illustrative of liberalism and/or weakness
4. It’s the least funny or apt caption when I click on all captions, which leads me to think that the only reason anyone thinks it IS funny is because it’s anti-Dcemocratic (note correct ending).
Hi Tessie!
The original quote by Robert Frost was meant as an gentle condemnation of the human condition; being liberal, and thus too open minded, means one must inherently attempt to agree with the argument of one’s opponent.
I don’t think it was meant as an anti-dem insult in its original form.
thanks for the info. I’m pretty sure my knowledge of Mr. Frost begins and ends with “stopping by the woods on a snowy evening”.
The Road Not Taken?
Death of the Hired Man? Mending Wall?
…Two roads diverged in a wood, and I, I took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference.
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Yeah, difference. I walked through Poison Ivy; stepped in a deep mud hole and sprained my ankle; disturbed a hornets nest and got stung about 30 times; got caught in a flash flood and washed over a small cliff, broke my leg…
Next time, I’m gonna head the warning signs and stick to the path…
(Actually, this poem and Nothing Gold Can Stay are the only two I can recite from memory, the latter is of course thanks to The Outsiders).
I can recite Nothing Gold Can Stay because of the Outsiders too! I can also do Fire and Ice and Stopping by Woods on a Snowy evening. I used to be able to recite The Road Not Taken, but not anymore.
Of course I always end up adding the extra line to the end of the poem, “Stay gold Ponyboy”.
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‘Two Roads’ as I called it, ended up having a lot of meaning for me beginning when I was around 12 years old, as I was forced down a second road instead of actually choosing it. I know that’s why I’ve always remembered it.
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I’ve never been a big poetry fan so I can’t say I know the other two you mention, but I’ll go look them up.
I can recite Jabberwocky… but I’m f%&*ng insane.
I can recite parts of the Jabberwocky, so kudos to you. I do love Lewis Carroll, that crazy pedophile.
Lewis Carroll was a paedophile??? Really??? Is that true?
No, at least not that’s been proven. I was referencing the fact that he had a weird obsession with his friend’s daughter, Alice, who’s name he used in Alice in Wonderland of course.
Ahh, that’s not so bad then…
I can recite the whole Jabberwocky, myself. Does that make me insane, too? Or just a frog in a bog?
Oops, a little Dickenson slipped out there. Never mind, I’m officially nuts!
I hereby award viking gal a vorpal sword! (I know it too
)
Yay!
*snicker snak*
Nice balance on this sword!
The mome rath hasn’t vorpaled that can outgrabe ME!
*struts*
*whiffles*
This thread twas brillig.
He also took a LOT of photos of little girls, in whom he seemed to lose interest around puberty… now, whether it was psycho-sexual, or some strange Victorian obsession with ‘the innocence of child hood’ is wholly debatable, but old Charlie did like his nekkid little girlies…
Ah, I didn’t know that. I did remember that there was more to it than the Alice thing, but for lack of time to Wiki I though I’d leave AC her illusions.
Well, I Wiki-d Carroll… Jings….
There are times AC, you ace it… that aced Carroll…
JINGS!
I agree! There is nothing but hate in the conservative crowd right now.
The really funny anti-dem lols which make their blood boil do not make it to the front page. Of course they vote those un-funny.
They have those?
Occasionally. About as frequently as the really funny anti-rep lols. Many of which don’t make it either.
The ones that annoyed me tend to have the N word in them…
Pardon me, let me rephrase; the retort to the quote states, not the rest of and should be attributed to Mort Sahl.
My apologies.
I wonder how you can be too open minded.
Accepting everything at face value and taking no stands of your own would qualify as ‘too open-minded’.
Or, if it’s in a religion, a good and pious world view…
Ditto-heads are too open minded???
Only if their brain falls out while they nod…
That wouldn’t happen nearly as often if they would remember to
close their mouths while nodding.
…but, then again, how else would they breathe?
its fun watching you stroke each others egos. Does it make you feel better to call people names when you have no facts to defend your own party? I mean … 30 days in office and your guy has already spent 2 trillion more than bush did and more money than the entire country spent in the first 200 years in existence… after railing against the deficit spending while running for the office. Brilliant… you’re doing it wrong.
First of all, the President doesn’t spend the money…. the pursestrings are not held by the executive branch. Secondly, at least the money is being spent on the American people this time, investing in our economy and infrastructure, rather than bombing and killing (and rebuilding after the bombing and killing!) in two other countries.
the job of the federal government is to provide a military and pay the national debt. It is NOT to spend money taking it from those who work for it and giving it to those who didnt.
Funny that republicans hold that world-view, yet they don’t seem to have a problem with spending blue-state tax dollars
“It is NOT to spend money taking it from those who work for it and giving it to those who didnt.”
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I’ve worked steadily since the age of fifteen (counting after-school, weekend, and summer jobs), which I think puts me in the category of “those who worked fo it”; so now that the jobs have all gone bye-bye, I’m quite willing to be bailed out just like the banks and car companies were.
Yes, but yours is not a bail-out: It’s an insurance
payment on a policy for which you’ve been paying
for years. Big Difference!
Tell yourself whatever you need to so you can get the money.
It’s the American way, after all.
I agree. I’ve worked steadily since age 20 and was LAID OFF, which means there was no work for me. Not that I am lazy.
I have been looking for a job since before my last day of actual work.
I am happy to be bailed out as well.
and while the president doesnt actually spend the money he did just draw up a budget and submit it to congress for them to agree on and pass so that HE CAN SIGN IT INTO LAW….
Yes, and America was in BRIGHT, SHINY shape when
Obama took over, so the economy started being his
fault IMMEDIATELY!!!
Wow, shin, you’re the jingliest!
I know! Egads. At least he is working on the economy at the start instead of waiting until the last possible moment to even realise he’s in trouble.
A newly elected president inherits the old regime’s budget for nine months due to the way the federal fiscal year is constructed. Nice try, though.
You’re sure it’s nine months? That’s pretty specific heh.
Others here put it at like 4 years for some odd reason (which I can only guess
)
The federal fiscal year starts October 1st, while a new President is sworn in on January 20th… Leaving him the nine months until the following October to work with the budget set up by the ass-end of the previous regime.
Originally heard this on a Conservative talk radio on XFM, later confirmed by subsequent Googlings.
Stimulus plan doubling the national debt was signed into law almost a week ago. If you want to argue the effects won’t be felt (the pain!) for a while, no problem. It does take a LITTLE bit of time to collapse an economy, after all.
Both Conservative and Liberal sources agree that there is nine months between January and October.
The Stimulus Plan added $790 billion to the
existing budget deficit of $455 billion, so
that’s what was actually tripled, not doubled.
The national debt is at around $10.9 trillion.
Am I not remembering correctly that you
were somehow associated with the field of
economics?
Anyway, as far as collapsing the economy
goes, holding an expensive pair of wars
while reducing taxes to stay popular not only
didn’t work, but wasn’t sound fiscal policy,
either.
Sorry: *nearly tripled
Hehe – well including the existing plans that are pretty sure to pass, yeah. But that was entirely fair.
The problem is that once you get into the trillions you’re talking about asronomical figures that can only really be assimilated by astronomers, not by economists; I don’t hold much more difference between them than I do between socialism and communism – but economically speaking I don’t hold much difference between many things. Which I would totally remember if I wasn’t drunk on this Saturday night and I totally was going to tell you right now and now can’t. Sorry – drunken Anniee is an idiot.
“Stimulus plan doubling the national debt was signed into law almost a week ago. . . . ”
Funny how “conservatives” are hammering that point home NOW, but said absolutely NOTHING while Bush, Rumsfeld, et al, were cooking up this little Middle East debacle that helped to create, in large part, the huge hole we’re in.
War is, above all things, expensive. I’ve been saying for a long time, that we’re spending more than we can afford: time, money, and LIVES.
And you didn’t pass that knowledge on to Buh, et. al.? Shame on you!
*Bush*
“Both Conservative and Liberal sources agree that there is nine months between January and October.”
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I <3 you StreetPreacher.
I disagree. There “are” nine months between January and October.
Were you repeating “not my president” like a moron during the Bush years?
ZING!
Cretin.
Assmuncher.
Lowly Grunt!
Oh, wait, we aren’t just saying our names real loud?
Never mind.
Uncle Fester was.
I think Zing! is Schlize, the cone headed boy…
and grunt… if you REALLY can’t do better than that, then I’d suggest you stick to macrame or Lolcats…
I really wasn’t trying; I just wanted to share my link.
Don’t make baseless accusations. You know nothing about this commenter so you have no idea what his/her attitude towards Bush was when he was in office. They make a valid point and all you can do is bring the oh so mature “I know you are but what am I” defense.
Pissing in the wind dear… the oxycontin crunching moron is only worth prodding and mocking…
He/she was acting like a third grader and the teacher in my felt she had to intervene. I’ll try to control such lapses in the future.
Aw, shucks! You’re so cute when you’re riled,
though. Please reconsider!
*cartoonishly large, watery eyes*
It was a good post, but really, we both know it had no effect.
When they stopped being able to beat the little dears in school was a dark day… You could at least make *something* stick…
Were you capable of making sentences due to the anti-psychotic medicine you were on in the same period?
That’s not very nice Fester..
Not everyone who takes anti-psychotics is psychotic.
Has anyone EVER said I’m ‘nice’?
And if the anti-psychotic meds are working, no-one taking them is psychotic…
I’m quite enjoying watching you make an idiot of himself…
Still, I’m sure you think Jesus loves you… We just know you’re an inadequate who never had an original thought in his life…
Jesus may love you, but the rest of us are working on turning our blinding hatred of you into something more constructive.
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(aimed at shin0bi272, Fester, not you. We’ve managed to turn our hatred of you into a Google search
Hey, fame is fame… if I can’t be a shining example, I’m cool with a terrible warning and something people use to scare their children into behaving…
“Blinding hatred” is a bit strong, froo. What I feel for shinObi is more like cautious distance. His posts have a lot of anger in them and I fear for his coworkers. One day they are going to go into work and be met with a shotgun in the face.
Alas, that doesn’t seem too paranoid, considering this expressed desire for violence. However, it’s apparently being hacked at with a katana that’s the the risk here.
and making random threats to strangers is a good way of being shown your spleen… just saying…
Ohhhhh – the irony.
She cuts both ways, it seems.
Now quit shaking: You’re making me dizzy.
No, that was still cutting from the right to the left.
Perhaps you were watching it in the mirror?
DOH!!
Do you know what the term means?
Yup.
I’m going to take a whack at this, because I think I have a glimmer at what the caption is referring to. (I will say, I think it’s not really the best pic for it, though).
You occasionally run into people who would self-describe as “very liberal” who are extremely into multiculturalism or something and at least give the impression that they have a viewpoint that whatever choices or traditions somebody might have, that it’s ok and equally valid to whatever they might personally think. As best I can tell, the caption’s a relatively gentle jab at that type of person. Don’t think it really applies to either of the two pols in the pic, though.
You are, I think, referring to ‘moral relativism’ and no, it doesn’t apply here at all. Someone just picked the two most recognizable Dems and used the word ‘liberal’ as if it were interchangeable with ‘democrat’. The L word is sadly not applicable here.
I still can’t get over the break with reality that our neocons are evincing. Isn’t it edging into psychosis?
Thanks for providing the term, PDQ, as it (clearly) escaped me. Like I said, I don’t think it goes with the pic, nor is it particularly funny, but I suspect that’s what they’re aiming it at, if that makes sense. (In other words, it’s not a defense of the lol more than a dissection.)
Oh I understand; it’s like the sort of nasty comment that an a-hole at work would make about you & if you protested, they respond with ‘it’s only a joke’. I live with that daily.
What did I tell you about wearing those KISS ARMY T-shirts to
work???
Like not all Republicans are Jack booted control freaks…
Precisement
I don’t have jack boots.. but do I have a nice set of trainers.
And one of the largest collections of David Duke Memorabilia in the Tristate area… yes, yea, you’ve mentioned this before…
(BTW, before anyone gets up tight… THIS IS A JOKE… Eddie is a fine person and one of the few people whose opinion I actually respect… I KNOW Eddie isn’t a racist, thus the idea of him having David Duke Memorabilia is, by it’s absurdity, funny to me…)
Gee, Unc–Way to insult our sweet Eds. You know he’s only
claiming to be a Republican to tease the love of his life, Jane
Fonda…
(Their relationship is what you might call “complicated*…)
LMAO!!!
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@UF: You’re on to me.. I actually bought the stuff on eBay hoping for a huge return on my investment. Unfortunately, it hasn’t paid off. I would have been better off putting my money into Enron.
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@Rho: Yes, it’s a love/hate thing.. she loves me, I hate her.. simple as that..
Least you didn’t go all mushy over the disclaimer!
Good thing you didn’t mention Reagan then..
Reagan then!
I know when you’re tempting me.. now stop it or there will be consequences.
*shakes in boots accordingly*
S-s-sorry, Eds! Didn’t wanna rile ya.
I haven’t forgotten how mean you get when
you’re liquored up.
By the way, is PiMan still in a coma?
Dag nabbit.. I ain’t liquored up and ya know I ain’t.. now hand me that moonshine, will ya?
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PiMan is probably out fighting fires (at least I wouldn’t be surprised if he was).. they’re still going..
I would say that moral relativism _does_ apply to what Sinderlin said, as does the Robert Frost quote that the lol is based on.
I’m sorry, but I thought being bipartisan was a good thing. Could someone tell me what I have wrong?
You’re not a Republican… bipartisan is sort of somewhere between Kryptonite and a meaningless noise… depending on where you are in relation to the Mason Dixon line (Alaska being accounted as a cold version of the Deep South…)
there is no such thing as bipartisanship. There is only one side capitulating to the other. So says Barney Frank and Winston Churchill…
Depends… In the UK in the 1970s there was a Labour Minister in a Conservative Cabinet for two years, since he was an extraordinary organiser… Without Denis Howe, we’d have a lot worse water shortages than we do… That shows that it does work.
In WW2, the Governement was suspended and a coalition War Cabinet was drawn from the best people that could be found. The only ‘issue’ was that Churchill remained Prime Minister. He screwed thing royally once or twice, since he fancied himself a Naval Tactician, when he was an infantry man… a REAL leader would have known his limitations…. He was a great rallying point, but really, as a leader, he stank… So, I’m cynical about Churchill talking of bipartisanship, simply because he was an ass when it cam to so many things, and possibly lengthened the war while getting the UK deeper in hock to the US…
Yes… far better to be closed-minded. I see it all so clearly now. Did St. Reagan’s Home for the Mentally Bewildered get broadband last month or something?
Yay! I couldn’t find any LOL in this post, but lo! It doth exist in this comment!
its not close minded to believe something is right and something else is wrong and not be swayed by someone’s opinion on the topic. If you have no spine and want everyone to love you so you’ll tell them anything they want to hear then by all means be “open minded”. Its easy to sit there and run your mouth (or fingers in this case) about what republicans are doing wrong but what are the democrats doing? oh yeah… they’re worse. I doubt you’ve ever even read the constitution or care that 85% of the federal budget is unconstitutional. But hey you’re open minded so why not take a look at the other side of the argument instead of sitting there bashing them for having a different opinion? Oh wait because then you’d find out you were wrong and have to admit it.
its not close minded to believe something is right and something else is wrong and not be swayed by someone’s opinion on the topic.
Yes, it is.
Gah, I hit “add comment” instead of enter.
If “someone’s opinion” is backed with arguments, then you’re closed-minded if you won’t be swayed in your beliefs despite them.
Now, now… an opinion can be changed… a belief is an act of faith…
Well, there are beliefs and beliefs, I suppose. Those that are beliefs because you lack the information, and those that are beliefs even though you have information that goes against it (or a very consistent lack of supporting evidence).
I agree with Danbala that there is a hierarchy of beliefs, somehow.
The core beliefs aren’t likely to change, but the extraneous ones
seem okay to modify. Is there another word for those beliefs?
For example, a Christian can go around believing that Paul was
a great guy, then, after study, decide that he was a jerk. That
one decision wouldn’t change the core belief, right?
Aah, yes, that’s another aspect to beliefs. Didn’t even think about that.
I was more thinking about beliefs like … When my brother was little, he thought it was our grandpa who switched the sun on and off to make day/night.
That sort of belief.
You, you mean your grandpa doesn’t switch the sun off…?
*shatters*
YAY you found the apostrophe on your keyboard!
OT: I will grant you that not being swayed by opinion doesn’t make one close-minded. However, if one can’t be swayed by _facts_, then close-minded applies.
*snort* OK, I’m stealing that name! St. Reagan’s Home for the Mentally Bewildered – too perfect.
Another attempt at making conservative lulz without actually saying anything funny. Better luck next time, guys.
One wants to invade Pakistan, the other Iran. I think Hillary Clinton was/is part of some radical church group, too. And Barack Obama’s employed a good number of Bill Clinton’s idiot economic advisors, too.
Not that this has much to do with the image, but I wanted to raise it anyway.
Considering who the republican vice-prez candidate was… I really hope you weren’t actually DISSING Hilary for her ALLEGED involvement in a radical church group.
And by the way… those ‘idiot’ economic advisors helped Clinton oversee the lowest unemployment rate and largest economic expansion in presidential history. What has King George II done for us lately besides get out of the top seat?
Wait… so you’re speaking ill of two Democrats for supposedly wanting to invade a foreign country with no just cause?
*ring ring*
Hello? Yeah this is kettle… oh hi pot, what’s up?
550metric tons of yellow cake uranium were pulled out of iraq in june of 2007. 1500 pages of documentation on how to make a nuclear weapon were found in 2003. Dont even try to say we didnt have a good reason to go into iraq. Oh and btw in 2006 bush oversaw the lowest unemployment rate in history at 4.2% vs clinton’s 4.5%… sorry you lose.
“Oh and btw in 2006 bush oversaw the lowest unemployment rate in history at 4.2% vs clinton’s 4.5%…sorry, you lose”
Nope, sorry…YOU lose. In 2006 the unemployment rate varied from 4.6% to 4.8%, depending on the month.
Where did you get your statistic for that, http://www.outofyourbum.com?
shin0bi272 – What are your sources for the “550 metric tons of yellow cake uranium” found in Iraq in June of 2007 and “1500 pages of documentation on how to make a nuclear weapon” found in 2003? I’d like to read more about this.
Likely a Fox News Special Report, like the ‘documentary’ by the crazed anti-semite alleging Obama was a Muslim.
You’ve been reading right wing blogs again… Unless there’s a vast media coverup
on the “550metric tons of yellow cake uranium were pulled out of iraq in june of 2007″… no one had coverage except Yahoo… and that story has died as they do…
Word to the wise, Yahoo is a bit like Pravda, or the Weekly World News, unless you check the source, it’s probably bogus…
That’s because the “yellow cake” was actually a secret underground Twinkies lab. Saddam’s evil plot of turning Americans fat and lazy was well on it’s way to success.
No, it’s common knowledge that the uranium was hidden in hats.
Even Bob Dylan wrote about it. Duh.
“Well, I see you got your brand new yellow cake uranium
pill-box hat.
Yes, I see you got your brand new yellow cake uranium
pill-box hat.
Well, you must tell me, baby
How your head feels under somethin’ like that.”
My dear pittypat, I fear you are confusing Dylan’s musical genius with that well loved character from Curious George, The Man in the Yellow Cake Uranium hat.
… I want cupcakes now.
*points to the broccoli remaining on SP’s plate*
Sadly, they canceled the Weekly World News. I only read it to see how ridiculous they could get, but they finished my subscription with the Sun, and all that does is predict Armageddon every week. Ugh.
In the UK, The Sun is a red top slightly to the right of Atilla the hun and has naked ladies in it…
“Sadly, they canceled the Weekly World News”
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I miss Batboy.
Aw, yeah… That was the Best Tabloid Ever. I always looked forward to seeing what they had on the cover when I was in line at the store!
Snopes has your number, your facts are full of fail: [LINK]
@PM – ah ha! Also spotted it on FactCheck (link) but the date was different so I wasn’t sure. Two confirmations of shin’s failing facts = thank you for playing, shin but try again with real facts. We are not just grammar nuts and punctuation nuts here….
Not to mention the fact that one economic indicator does not a
big picture make. This person made and failed three points:
1. Uranium story
2. Unemployment rate stats
3. Unemployment as sole economic indicator
I though we hit the lowest unemployment rate during the last four years? 3.9% during the first year – did not get above 6% much – but i just got through to march 2005. that is if you really want to be picky. I does seem to be getting worse from what I hear – but it is only 2 months in, lets wait until about july and see if there is any difference
check link – bush got 3.9% unemployment
Your facts are full of fail, my friend- that document is dated May 19, 2000, right at the end of Clinton’s term!
you have to go an spoil it with ‘facts’… pish tush!
Hell, that is before Bush was even elected.
Ok. I will admit I was wrong – I counted the terms incorrectly. For some reason I was thinking Bush started in 2000 not to 2001.
Good enough. I won’t kick you over it! ;
You speak for yourself
*pulling on steelies*
Brace your kidneys… this’ll hurt!!!
I think, or at least how I took it…. From the Conservative viewpoint, those two folks tend to be on the same side on almost every argument. The vast majority of their policy ideas and plans are the same, or at least similar. Now I’m sure from the Liberal perspective, some of you would say the same about “our” candidates, but darn it, the tiny differences count!!!
I’d say Ru-Paul was radically different to the other chaps this time round, but not in a way anyone would elect him…
Although he possibly spent less on his wardrobe than Moosey Lena did on hers.
this…. doesnt make sense…. o.O
I’ll say that the one-liner makes me chuckle, but I’d only LOL if I knew a reference for it in the picture. It’s the kind of thing that would be funnier if it were attached to a video of Obama being a devil’s advocate, or right after a debate where one candidate agreeing too often with the other was fresh in everyone’s minds. Or, if it was old but firmly embedded in many people’s minds (think Al Gore in his second debate against Bush, agreeing with almost every point Bush made – a picture of the two of them from that debate would have made me LOL with that caption, anyway, but still would have been lost on people who didn’t remember the 2000 election as well).
lol, i like this. it may not be funny, but it’s true. during the election hilary and barack were both too busy pandering to the moderates to hold true to the liberal positions they really believe, just so they’d get more support from the center and be able to get elected. barack called for change, yet he obviously is just doing more of what bush did (with the exception of creating a timeline for iraq (bad idea) and legalizing international abortion aid (REALLY bad idea) and raising taxes in a recession (worst idea)) – deficit spending, pork-laden stimulus packages, earmarks like crazy… plus, all of his advisors are from the clinton era when he said he’d bring in washington outsiders – that definitely didn’t happen. he campaigned for hope, yet he will put thousands of small business owners out of work by raising their income taxes. in a recession. even the FIRST class you take in college of macroeconomics would teach you that that is a bad idea because it decreases investment and decreases spending. and the rest of the liberals went right along with barack and are supporting him the whole way.
you could probably say the same of conservative presidential candidates, but at least there were conservatives willing to break from their own party and say that john mccain was not a truly conservative candidate, and now the party is pushing hard to redefine itself.
sorry to get a little upset, i just saw that a lot of people were calling for facts, and i figured i’d defend the others who got attacked earlier. i hope this helps shed light on the perspective the lol creator might have come from.
the invocation of Macroeconomics… one of the greatest non-sciences outside of Political Science and Fundamentalist Abrahamic Cult…
The models never predicted a damn thing, other than by luck…
Except that this site is funny first and true second.
Ooh! Question! Why is it bad to make abortion available in other countries? Is it actually bad to let a woman who will have serious medical complications if she has another kid, or quite possibly die in childbirth, abort?
I didn’t get this part at all, actually. Is the US setting up abortion cliinc in other countries, or what did it mean? Or did it mean it has been made legal to send support to abortion clinics in other countries? I’d search for it on the google, but I think the word “abortion” tends to give too many, too crappy hits. :p
He or she is referencing the Obama Administration lifting the global gag order which made it impossible for DOCTORS in clinics getting aid from the US to even TALK about abortion. Gagging doctors from talking about medicine is Bad. Allowing doctors to treat women as adults with minds of their own and having control over their own bodies is Good.
Oh yes. I remember that now. Considering how upset I was when I heard about it, I’m a bit ashamed that I’ve forgotten all about it.
Thanks for the reminder, and yeah, I share your opinion.
“barack called for change, yet he obviously is just doing more of what bush did (with the exception of creating a timeline for iraq (bad idea) and legalizing international abortion aid (REALLY bad idea) and raising taxes in a recession (worst idea))”
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But aside from that, they’re practically identical.
I’m very liberal, and I see the joke in this, but I think the picture chosen doesn’t really suit it (and the wording is kind of clumsy). It’s easy enough to call a lol that isn’t very well constructed as “anti-dem” when the subjects are democrats, but really, I don’t think this is the best instance of something that’s anti-democrat. Plus, technically anything making fun of a democrat is anti-democrat… isn’t that about half of what this site is about – making fun of political figures?
agreed. This one really needs a video. I’d bet there are good ones out there, but this fits caption does as much with the picture as it would with a picture of a horse
Very well stated, faunablues.
F-A-H Q!
Also…did this site change hands or something? That’s the second one in the last couple days, and in between there’ve been mostly fairly funny or nonpartisan stuff. It’s good to see other kinds of things, and that makes it a lot easier to laugh when the shoe is on the other foot. It seems a lot of people don’t feel that way, but I know I do.
win.
…Hill’s expression looks funnier than the caption…
The creator of this picture was trying, or at least I think is trying to point out that even though Obama and Clinton are so “open-minded” they can’t agree with each other because they are both Liberals. This is based on the loaded belief that people who call themselves Liberal means all Liberals have the same ideas, that including open-mindedness. Its trying to follow this logic:
1. Open-mindedness is a belief.
2. All Liberals are open-minded.
3. Obama and Clinton are Liberals.
4. Obama and Clinton have the same belief. (3=2=1)
5. Obama and Clinton are people.
6. If people have the same belief, they should not argue.
7. Obama and Clinton, who are people and have the same belief, should not argue. (4+5 -> 7)
As you can see, the picture shows the two arguing, and the author wants to point out the hypocrisy in their not “taking one’s own side”, the side being liberalism. Its a pretty weak argument if you ask me.
Hm, I thought it was more about how some people can be so open-minded that they’re constantly second-guessing their own opinions/values/beliefs, sort of like being your own devil’s advocate.
Either way, I don’t think the idea is very insulting – it’s probably a good idea that a person question their own assumptions, regardless of political party.
Ah, that is a good point. I agree that it shouldn’t be a bad thing to question your actions and opinions, but there is also a limit to do that…otherwise you are considered wishy-washy. I believe the favorite conservative term is “flip-flopping” but that is pretty much a negative way of saying “changing one’s mind”. People can be influenced one way or another, and for some reason it bothers people…
Wasn’t that a big deal anti-Kerry in the 2004 campaigning? I vaguely remember boggling about that. “Oh no – he’s a man who can change his mind – we can’t be having with that!!!!!” Yeeees…
I thought it was supposed to be a lol.
Shall we evaluate the humor in all the left-sided lols exactly this way? Because it’s kinda seriously overthinking a joke.
Granted, overthinking a joke can be funny – for example that picture of the White House with watermelons on it and the dumb joke attached, that the guy claimed he didn’t even GET (how did he think it was funny if he didn’t get it? Not to mention it wasn’t funny if you DID get it.) can actually be done in a funny manner. To whit: LINK However, if one overanalyzes a joke and isn’t at all funny in the process, I think that’s technically called a f&^%ing buzzkill.
Sorry, I get kinda annoyed at things like this so-called “lol”. If a person can poke fun at a liberal on this site, which the have and laughed at, I have no problems. However, this kinda was a weak joke using a preconceived notion of an ideal.
Now, if I had used this picture for a lol, I would have commented on the facial expressions, like how Obama is suddenly looking away from Hillary making a face like that…I think I died a little inside.
LOL!
You totally just proved the point of the LOL with your post!
Hilarious!
LOL
There are PLENTY of gratuitous slams at conservatives (mostly RINOs) on this site; we need to be able to laugh at both. I honestly, honestly can.
It would be REALLY funny if someone mocked libertarians successfully and was funny at it; but libertarians tend to either be lumped with conservatives or to be a teflon group. But there ARE more than two directions, and that should be recognized in humor, eh?
I agree.
It does say that liberalism is a result of being too open-minded to take your own side. So – I read it as “people who are so open-minded that they have no opinion created liberalism to have something to belong to”.
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But since the wording is a bit peculiar, I don’t know what to make of the lol-maker’s intention. (Which is my main reason for not finding it funny.)
um, I really don’t get it, seeing as how Hillary and ‘bama seem to be engaged in some kind of conflict in the picture. The caption seems to be insinuating the opposite. :\
What did they do, respectfully address eachother? Ah, that would definitely be a sign that one is conceding. *chuckles*
FAIL INDEED
the guy who vets each picture and puts them on the blog must be a right wing idiot.
Oh, this made me giggle.
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Are you being intentionally funny or are you very new here?
Hehe…yes, I’m rather new here and thought the same thing. Someone is vewwwy new
Or just … funny.
There’s not a liberal at that table.
Valid point, but they do have a penchant for spending tax money… but that’s what politicians do…
Though it’s being done on an amazingly grand scale the last month. It’s rather shocking, but Cloward-Piven knew what they were talking about.
“Cloward-Piven knew what they were talking about.”
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Sorry, but I find it impossible to believe that Jeremy Piven has ever, in all of recorded history, known what he was talking about.
Putting forth demands upon demands that you KNOW are impossible to meet, with the express purpose of tying bureaucratic hands from doing anything else (demands for hundreds of billions in spending popping up every day and being pushed through, not to mention the budget proposals) fits the C-P strategy quite well. Oh, for the express purpose of bringing down a free market system and instituting a new totalitarian system of government control over what used to be free market decisions? We’re living it. It’s an Alinsky-ite tactic combined with a couple of others, and Yeah…it will probably work. That doesn’t mean there’s no coming back; it just means we’re looking to face things probably worse than gas lines/rationing in the near future. In 3 parts of the country people can not even find ammo – the shelves are bare. That is an ominous sign of things to come.
If socialism is the same thing as being open minded, thank God for elephants.
Everything you said is exactly what I’m going through (with a few minor details difference).
Right on.
Hey Jasmine your math is wrong. If you’re working full time at federal minimum wage your take home pay would be $262. I know, I make it while I am busy putting myself through school on-line and driving to campus an hour away. Or are you illegal and don’t you have your green card?
Oh and “general welfare” does not mean you get “welfare.”
You’re in America. STFU and take advantage of what this country has to offer and quit whining about how everyone else is supposed to help you. If you had the first idea of the opportunites you as an American have that those like me who come from the rest of the world don’t (and never will) you’d quit relying on everyone else and take advantage of what you have.
People like this make me so mad!
The truth of the matter is, the money that is being handed out is most likely not coming from the ‘rich guy’ in town, but your parents and every other middle class tax payer. The rich have their money invested and sheltered. So while you may think the rich guy is handing money over to you, I will bet dollars to doughnuts that the money is coming from my wallet, and trust me, I can’t afford to support you and myself as well.
I think if you read the details of what they posted, you have to admit that might be a little more difficult than you make it sound. If you are barely surviving, it’s nearly impossible to get funds together to move somewhere else (which it sounds to me like they’d have to do to get more education). Yes, it’s quite possible to go to school and work (hell, I did it) but when you aren’t near so much as a community college or vo-tech, how the hell are you supposed to do it?
Again, I’m not saying the poster shouldn’t look into options for improving their life, just that it’s not always as easy as you make it sound.
Ah, there speaks someone who either doesn’t work for a living, or has never seen the reality of being trapped in some back water that you come ‘from’…
Been there, seen it, and seen people who were as bright as me fail due to lack of support… Life for a lot (most) of people is like a song by Bruce Springsteen in his most nihilist moments…
Seems to me you’re just an ingrate for the help you got from others that broke you out of the hell you were born into… and I now expect a tale of how you worked a 72 hour shift, raised 4 kids alone and became Donald Trump…since your sort lie as easily as you castigate others…
“Quit crying, get an education, and get a real job.”
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What, exactly, are you suggesting that Jasmine needs to do? Setting aside your assumption that she doesn’t have an education, which appears unfounded, once she quits “crying”, she should go… where? And do… what? Exactly where are these “real jobs” that you speak of? India? China?
Oh, and by the way, since she works directly with her boss every day, and you don’t know him from Adam’s goldfish, I’m going to say she’s better informed than you are on exactly how hard he does or does not work.
“Quit crying, get an education, and get a real job.”
How is he supposed to get the money together to do that on 125 dollars a week?
Please quit acting like someone who was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple.
I’d like to be polite about this, so I’ll just say that was a thoughtless comment.
reminds me of my parents a bit, out of college they were both incredibly poor, they had an education, but it’s finding a job that was hard and for a long time my mother rode a bike 10 miles a day to go be a waitress, and dad worked in some resturant where they served shrimp, so everyday they ate rice and shrimp. i’m Now of course after a lot of hard work they are extremely successful, but it’s interesting to see that some people would describe them as being ‘lazy’ or ‘working stupid’ at first.
@dissimilitude – very tactful reply to a very rude wing-nut. Nicely done.
They’re too busy yelling at the homeless to get jobs
God Bless America!
BTW, how do you know so much about the American system if you’re not ‘in it’?
i never said i work full-time. I work part-time. My employer keeps hiring more people at minimum wage so I can’t get overtime and cost him more money.
Chances are, the money will be coming out of his pocket, my parent’s pockets, and your pockets.
My parents don’t give me anything.
I have an education, and my whole life have been told how exceptionally smart i am. My parents are disappointed in me for dropping out of college (I couldn’t afford the drive).
But I did get into college. Which means I’m not just some dumbass.
You assume a lot for someone who doesn’t read.
I thought HHNF left PK…
Naa… she’s like Herpes, but less welcome…
3 demerits for summoning!
Then maybe it’s time to hunt the rich with a bit more gusto?
You’re kidding, right?
“Can’t afford the drive?” That’s so ridicuous I don’t even know where to start!
Translation: “I’ve been given all the opportunities afforded an AMericna, but I want someone to do it FOR me, as I am too lazy to cut it.”
WOe is me; my parents won’t help me, gas is too expensive, the government needs to help me …
If you hate your life so much quit being a crybaby and SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM!
Jeesus.
Your student loans must not extend to your English classes.
I’ve been trying.. as they say, “Where there’s a will, let my name be on it!”
Sorry! Maybe it’s like Beetle Juice and you have to say the name three times…/hopeful.
Anger Management must not be included either.
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There are grants that can be applied for which will help offset some of the hardships of getting to and from school. My question is, if Jasmine is working part-time, what is being done with the rest of the spare time? I’m not questioning the desire, but surely there are other options that can be explored.
“Please quit acting like someone who was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple.”
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I can’t take credit for that one. It’s what Anne Richardson used to say about W. when when he was coming to prominence.
I don’t know, since I’m not in her situation I can’t say that it’s that easy to go out and get an education. I know that for the first three years of my school Charlie made too much money for my to qualify for low interest student loans or grants. My mom and I worked a series of summer jobs that gave me a healthy respect for factory workers and hotel maids, but even then I could “go away” to school like so many of my peers. I lived at home, and it is only because I have a great relationship with my parents that I was able to do so. Even now, I have the degree, and I’m only four classes away from having a master’s degree and I’m not working in my chosen field, I haven’t been able to find a job. So I am also working two part time jobs where the combined income barely affords me enough to pay my bills. Again, if it weren’t for the support of my parents I don’t know that I would even be doing this well. Not everyone lives close to a university either, so taking all that into account I’d have to say that I don’t know enough about Jasmine to say whether she has the means to go to school. I DO say it’s too easy for people with lots of opportunities to sit back and think she just needs to get up off her lazy butt like some of the posters above suggested (not you, of course Eds). Life doesn’t always work out the way we plan and I have great sympathy for Jasmine.
Couldn’t go away to school, not could. Man, I hate Firefox.