Irony: He doesn’t want people in Africa to use protection.
(Pope Benedict XVI)
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Only difference: you can keep functioning if your little head gets blown off.
You’d just be a bad Catholic.
wow. that makes even less sense than the alleged “LOL”.
When an allegation of LOL surfaces, we will have responsibility to both the victim and LOL. Alleged LOLs will find themselves in a precarious position and should seek legal counsel. In many ways the response of others will be scripted according to directives. We have to respond to the alleged LOL in ways that will not cause feelings of being treated unfairly. An alleged LOL may feel prejudged and condemned before the truth is known.
I represent the alleged LOL, and I must object to you questioning it before I arrived. Need I remind you that this LOL is humorless until proven funny by a jury of its peers?
Ah yes but the alleged LOL also allegedly does not make any sense, in which case our first concern is in regard to the alleged LOL’s alleged competency to fully understand alleged charges of alleged humorlessness. So we called in psychiatry …
Oh, well, make sure I get a copy of the evaluation, then. Carry on.
After examining the accused alleged LOL, I have determined
that the alleged LOL is incompetent to stand trial.
Due to the young age of the alleged LOL, I don’t suggest
drug therapy at this time, but will refer the alleged LOL to a
therapist who specializes in cognitive development.
And here’s a full text copy of the evaluation:
The alleged LOL is a colorful, busy, recent post, which sat motionless and mute during the interview. Its grooming was marginal, with unkempt captioning and a possible misuse of “irony.” It was pleasant, outgoing and cooperative and made constant, unrelenting eye contact throughout the interview. Although able to stay in the middle of the monitor screen, it claimed that “commenters” were watching it and they were becoming increasingly agitated. Overall, a cooperative, mute LOL which appears to fully meet criteria for a diagnosis of not making any sense whatsoever.
TOO SOON!!!!!!1!!ELEVENTY!
Nonsense… you’re brain is the first thing you give up when you take Jesus as your saviour…
But nevertheless, you keep functioning as long as your big head remains intact.
Hurm… not someone who’s got a grasp of ‘figurative’…
That doesn’t surprise me. They’re grasp of fiction is so shaky they feel the need to post when the recognize it so others don’t make the same mistake.
*their*
THANK YOU for stating the truth in an incredibly concise and accurate manner!
Yes! Completely true! My 158 IQ is absolutely pointless in my life now that I have accepted Christ! *sarcasm*
Would you like to know what true irony is? Your obvious regard for Christianity in which you believe that it is filled with mindless drones who have no sense of having an open mind and whom, you believe, are as naive as a diamond is hard! Let me explain the irony for you, since your mind is like that of a neanderthals’ and you probably can’t come up with any ideas of your own: You’re, obviously, making a claim in which you believe ALL Christians to be mindless, when, in fact, you have a shallow mind for doing the same thing an untrue Christian would do: Not being accepting of others, regardless of faith, and passing judgment on others and condemning them when it is not your place.
Now, go think for yourself instead of trying to be the “cool” atheist by spewing out mindless drivel fed to you by others. If you have an opinion, make sure it’s your opinion.
Ps. Don’t condemn the whole for the idiotic minority.
Pss. Rebuttal to what you’d say to my Ps.: Yes, it is the minority, but in the world society, the ones who make a bad case for a group are the ones who have an over-abundance of exposure and therefore become the stereotype… It’s how all stereotypes are created…
Thank you, have a nice day!
Sarcasm FAIL.
On a scale of 1 to taking-yourself-too-seriously, guess where you score?
Kinteoka: “I cling to my IQ number and my invisible sky daddy because I want to impress people who may otherwise notice that I’m nothing more than just another spewer of gobbledy-gook.
“I compare someone to a Neanderthal because he said something with which I disagree, and then I tell him to be open-minded like I am.
“I think I’ll touch myself while praying tonight. Yeah, I’ve earned it.”
You’ve accepted that a the Zombie of a Jewish Terrorist who preached communism, who is magically his own father, while, equally magically, being the only source of ‘good’ in the universe, after spending a measly 4 hours on a cross for horse theft, will save you from your own ‘sin’?
And you think this is sane?
It’s more sane than thinking everything was made by nothing.
actually, you know, it s better to admit not to know than to come up with a lot of poo and force it upon millions.
you summed it uncle fester, thank you.
Oh, and boy, if you even did some desultory historical research, you’d quickly find that Spong has it about right…
And one last thing, you’ve NOT formed your own opinion on the subject, simply taken a book of poorly conceived, committee written fiction, and its commentaries a fact based on nothing more than trust…
So basically you are sitting on a high horse of openmindedness, spewing the passive aggressive schtick with the same level of name calling and not expecting be called a hypocrite or have your sanity questioned?
“Now, go think for yourself instead of trying to be the “cool” atheist by spewing out mindless drivel fed to you by others. If you have an opinion, make sure it’s your opinion.”
Irony fail.
Kid, atheists are _nothing_ like the little comic book version your religion your church is spoon-feeding you.
As for your “idiotic minority” comment, how about we see some sign from you that you understand the problem. What is “idiotic” and “narrow-minded” about the problem Christians is the creationism, the anti-abortion rights movement, the anti-homosexual agenda, the whining about being “persecuted” and the childish attacks on atheism.
If you want to support your claim that Christians in general are not idiotic, let’s hear you condemn those five idiotic Christian agendas.
If you can’t – if instead you choose to stand up for them – then you’re not in any position to lecture the rest of us about our attitudes about Christianity.
Wow. It never fails. Every time someone uses their IQ to prove that they’re clever, they are in fact thicker than a bag of cold porridge.
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Kinteoka – you seem to be rather vile and disgusting, and you are, judging by this, an idiot.
besides, your IQ only shows how much you’ve learnt in school. it says nothing about your sanity.
troll.
just coz i happen to agree with many doesnt mean that my opinion is not genuinely mine.
You’re an idiot.
Between AIDS or a bullet, take the bullet… thrice-over. A bullet isn’t always fatal. And when it is, it works almost instantaneously, as opposed to aids which is perpetually working to kill you.
And you’re a fu(knut.
Your point?
It’s quite good sense… most gunshot injuries fall into almost an inverse bell curve such that if it doesn’t kill you quickly, you’ll almost certainly recover.
Oh I agree. I’ll take instant death over AIDS any day.
I just felt contrary at that precise moment.
Know that feeling….
And you cannot pass on said bullet to a potentially unlimited number of people.
FIRST MUTHAFUKIN FIRST
Lactococcus is a lactic acid bacterial genus of five major species formerly included as members of the genus Streptococcus Group N and related species.[1] Gram-positive, they are typically spherical or ovoid, 0.5–1.2 µm by 0.5–1.5 µm, and occur in pairs and short chains. They are non-spore forming and are not motile.[2] The type species for the genus is L. lactis which in addition have two subspecies lactis and cremoris. Lactococcus differ from other lactic acid bacteria as they have pH, salt and temperature tolerances for growth.
Lactococcus is commonly used in the dairy industry in the manufacture of fermented dairy products like cheeses. They can be used in single strain starter cultures, or in mixed strain cultures with other lactic acid bacteria such as Lactobacillus and Streptococcus.
FAIL!!!
Wrong stupid.
First Fail!
As terribly hypocritical as his views sound in light of the AIDs outbreak, he would probably be criticized a lot more for bucking them.
Also, while I’m not Catholic, and I don’t agree with the whole “condoms are still bad” line of reasoning (nor the Pope-mobile, for that matter), that visit did do a lot of good.
Define ‘good’… the old Nazi fool has piss off people every where he goes… and if people take note of his medieval nonsense, there’ll be a lot more ‘evil’ than good spread…
True, true, but:
- It brought attention. Whether negative, or positive, it brought attention. People who weren’t talking about the AIDs crisis are now. or are again.
- It showed that the Vatican can look at Africa and see humans (albeit Catholic or convertible ones), and was a good move for race relations. Yes, the Pope is a bastard (non-literally), but at least he visited. Most of his predecessors paraded around America and Western Europe, with the occasionally fray into good Catholic countries or “challenged” areas that weren’t all that challenged.
- And if you’re Catholic, especially in an area of the world so predominately -not- Catholic, I’m sure it was nice to be noticed.
It’s a bad sign when “well it wasn’t ALL bad” is considered a good visit by the Catholic church.
It’s true… most of the good the church (any denomination, any religion) does is marred by some bad.
I was just trying to see the good in this one, even while my brain was screaming about the bad.
…and the Catholics are the ones who spew hate!
I’m catholic and i don’t spew hate, don’t generalize, kthx.
Hmmm. You firmly believe an a guy who thinks that I am the spawn of Satan and thinks that I well and truly deserve nothing more then an eternity of unimaginable suffering.
According to his beliefs, someone like Adolf Hitler is up in eternal heaven, and that Gandhi is rotting in hell, and that both deserve what they got. You, by being catholic, agree.
You also, by connection to the Catholic Church, you think that instead of trying to stop a virus that threatens to kill millions more and possibly wipe out a continent, we should just yell “Don’t have sex!” and leave it.
Oh, and you hate people you don’t know because of who they love, once again, by connection to the Catholic Church.
To be Catholic, you must believe that the Pope is infallible, and therefore that all the above, which he preaches, are also what you think are the truth.
These beliefs are innately hateful, ergo, you are hateful because you have them.
Or are you not Catholic?
If you don’t want to hate people, I suggest Buddhism… or Unitarian Universalism… hell even Protestant would be better. Atheism is optimal, but I don’t think you’ll go for that.
I was just skimming through the huge mega-debate and this caught my eye. I understand that people have huge issues with the Catholic church. Heck, I have huge issues with the Catholic church, which is why I left it in the first place. But you can’t say that all catholics believe exactly what the pope says. That simply isn’t true. Believing that the pope is infallible is not a requirement for being a member of the church. Being catholic isn’t necessarily about Rome, or the pope, or even the catechism. People choose a religion based on what helps them feel closest to God, and they aren’t required to believe everything that their religion tells them is true. If that is a requirement to being religious, then there are bery few religious people in the world. You can’t just accuse everyone who identifies with a certain faith as being a certain kind of person any more than you would want them condemning you. Sweeping generalizations aren’t good (and neither is this one, ha ha).
Also, Protestants aren’t necessarily better than Catholics. Westboro Baptist Church ring any bells?
“Believing that the pope is infallible is not a requirement for being a member of the church.”
Actually, it is. If you don’t accept that premise, you can be excommunicated. Heck, you can be excommunicated for not doing everything the Pope says.
Point of Order: Only if the Pope is speaking Ex Cathedra… problem is they don’t actually tell you when the Pope is pulling it out of his own ass, or it’s been pulled out of the ass of a venom of Cardinals (note: I don’t know the collective for Cardinals, but looking at Ratzinger’s record, a ‘Venom’ seems apropos…)
Technically, yes, but not everyone who identifies as catholic does believe that, and not believing it generally won’t get you kicked out unless you make a huge deal out of it. When I switched over to the Episcopal church, I had to say that I believe all of the 39 articles, but I don’t and they don’t really care.
They would have lost me at the loyalty test there and I wouldn’t have bothered…
“When I switched over to the Episcopal church, I had to say that I believe all of the 39 articles, but I don’t and they don’t really care.”
I’m not religious, but I believe lies are toxic. Is it really all right to lie to your God? What’s the point in “believing” if you’re just gonna get all cafeteria about it?
(sez the Joyful Agnostic Pagan)
I had to “say” it as it was part of the official ceremony, but I talked it all out with my priest beforehand and he basically told me that virtually no one believes all 39 and that we’re not really expected to. I don’t consider it lying to God because He sees what goes on in my head and all of that mess. I thought it through and prayed about it and talked about it and came to the conclusion that probably doesn’t really care whether I believe every little thing that was written down in 1559. I believe that He knows my heart and I know my heart, and that doing things the way I did them was best.
What I’m really trying to get at is that people pick a religion based on what makes them feel closest to God. No one follows all of the rules or believes every little thing that they’re “supposed” to believe, so saying that “You identify as A, therefore you believe B, C, D, E, F & G” doesn’t make sense and is just another form of stereotyping.
The pope is only infallible when he says that what he is about to say is an infallible statement. That’s only ever actually happened once in history.
If the pope says that, in his opinion, fried eggs are superior to scrambled, it doesn’t mean that all Catholics have to be of the same opinion.
The pope is a douche, but condoms won’t do a lot of good for people who don’t understand the workings of reproduction and disease transmission. Education is the first step.
Surely in that case miseducation is a step in the wrong direction, no?
Yes. I’m certainly not suggesting we have the pope or any of his cronies educate them.
I’m just pointing out that people in the West think we can just throw condoms at Africans and everything will fix itself. It doesn’t work that way.
There are extensive education programs, or there were.
It fell to the rest of the Western World to fund them when Bush II reinstated the Bush I/Reagan embargo on external funding of contraception based forgein initiatives.
More like initiatives that even put the groups of letters “contra” and “ceptive” anywhere within about ten words of each other.
Perhaps a CDC official should hold a mass …
a mass… (can’t think of a clean way to finish sentence)…-in.
With a penis
I’m thinking a wank-in. It is the safest kind of sex, after all.
And it’s always with someone you love.
We just need to convince them that a witchdoctor can’t shrink a penis with a spell, and that having unprotected sex with a virgin doesn’t cure HIV.
Someone get on that.
Win.
Yes, win.
However, the guy who tells us that we can pray our dead relatives out of “purgatory” by talking with a 2000-year old dead woman probably isn’t really the best choice to convince people to give up on witchcraft.
That’s makes so much sense on many levels! LOL!
Hahah, excellent point!
The local authorities built that car fearing that pope would reach out and rape some kid.
Resulting in the diocese forking out yet another $21 million settlement …
That would buy a lot of condoms, though.
For the dicose? Nah, they go commando. Ever heard of the Feast of Chestnuts? (think that’s what it’s called)
Hey, don’t look a Trojan gift horse in the mouth, right?
Is it ribbed?
That would be Melville’s gift-whale:
The ribs and terrors in the whale,
Arched over me a dismal gloom …
I saw the opening maw of hell,
With endless pains and sorrows there.
Yeah, those lines at the post office can get scary like that…
I know, and then you finally get to the clerk and they just look at you funny when you ask them to gift wrap your package.
I think it helps if you bring the package in with you, though.
Just ask Lorena Bobbitt.
For your pleasure?
In a box!
First PK laugh in a loooooong while…
Goddammit, punditkitchen! stop eating my posts!
well, doctor’s have said that condoms have actually made the problem worse. Not because they do not lessen the risk, but because people are more prone to commit sexual acts without them than they otherwise would. Basically, they would just stick with monogamy or abstinence. But there is really no easy answer but those two, until rape is involved. But who uses condoms during rape?
try this again in english…
what i’ve been able to translate is that condoms made things worse because once people know of them they’re less likely to use them while being non-monogamous.
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either your grasp of the english language and the tenets of condom use are VERY loose or i’ve got a terrible case of the stoopids today. and i’m betting it’s the first one.
My translation is that if you change “without” to “with” it kinda works; and their conclusion is that “If people have condoms, they’ll be all slutty and sometimes the condoms will fail, but if people don’t have condoms, they’ll all behave in an appropriate and ladylike manner with their legs crossed and mouths shut so there’s no problem!”
I think their grasp of human nature is a little on the loose side, myself.
The word you’re looking for is ‘cretin’…
I dunno… we’ve used ‘cretin’ a lot lately. I don’t know if it quite sums up the awesome fail in Matrix’s post.
I’m going with “Matrix just hasn’t hit puberty yet,” myself.
Well that’s good. I’d hate to think a lol about condoms would make him start acting all slutty.
I like the comfort of familiar words in my declining years…
If by “familiar words” you mean “the feeling of my own feces in my adult diaper”, then yes.
Still stealing work bandwidth there Black Flag? Good show…
Good show! You managed to not show bigotry against blue-collar workers or homosexuals. Apparently you can teach an old dog new tricks.
I’m still impressed they let the mail boy waste time on the internet…
As to the gay stuff… I suggest you wait for the Christians, to my knowledge I’ve never said much about the homosexual community… Sexual insult is your bag if I remember rightly…
That’s not what I recall, of course. But why I would expect you to have the balls to stand behind your own bashing? It’s much easier to just pull the next inane slur from the depths of your smooth forebrain, I suppose.
Oh, please feel free to tell me when when I’ve slandered gay folk, , theif.
Despite every insult that I have ever read Uncle Fester utter online, to myself and others, I can honestly say that I haven’t seen him slander the gays. As a point of fact, they are one of the rare few groups he seems to have absolutely no issue and usually tries to consume the eyes of those who slander them.
Granted, it is remotely possible that during the weekends when I am not here that he slanders them from here to the moon but I have my doubts as of the many things that can be attributed to Fester, being a verbal coward isn’t one of them.
So you’re the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde of homophobes now?
What part of ‘Fester doesn’t hate or slander gay people’ are you having trouble with?
Dhoti aka Black Flag is a thief and a liar…
but then with his politics, one can expect
nothing more.
TBH, the only way I’ve insulted Blue Collar
workers is by lumping him and his cronies as
them, since I doubt anyone with that amount
of bitter under achievement and general
inadequacy would be able to hold a job for
any significant time
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Interesting that he decided to troll me…
must be feeling neglected.
Dhoti, you are in a hole. Might I suggest that you quit digging, or are you trying to live down to Unc’s expectations?
It’s very Stockholm of you all to jump to the defense of the troll, in hopes he’ll keep that, ahem, ascerbic wit away from you.
Eh, to be honest, I don’t expect anything I say to keep him from speaking his mind. I’m in a BDSM relationship with my fiancee’ and I gathered no end of hell for it and I am sure I will catch some sort of hell for this post and something further.
Hell, for a while he was making the joke that Froofrou and I had something going on the side online just to get a rise out of us. Since I don’t give a damn and it proved no fun for him, he stopped. But by all means, keep portraying yourself as a rebel and I will keep enjoying the laugh.
I’m still waiting for that old ‘proof’ thing
The fact he’s posting now indicates, despite
his howling about ‘honesty’ he steals…
Yet, he’s pulled not a single piece of proof
on his accusations…
But hey, if him thinking I’m a homophobe
makes him feeling better about his lying
and theft, then I can deal…
@ Dhoti: I can’t help it if you weren’t here during Fester’s knock down drag outs with everyone else on this board, myself, Rho, and DWN included. Once he figures out you have a brain, cites, and know how to use both, he will leave you alone.
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Just being a douche, on the other hand, will pretty much only get you called names in return.
Clearly, you aren’t dealing, but if the saintly act helps you compartmentalize, then by all means…
@froofrou: I’m sure that applies whether you’re aligned with or opposed to the PK party line, right?
@ Dhoti: The PK party line has nothing to do with it. What have you done to contribute other than call names and make specious claims about things you can’t back up?
Thief, liar, and now eel like avoidance of the
questions…
If you were just a little more dishonest, I’d
suggest politics… but that implies a ‘talent’…
I have yet to see an actual PK party line. There is a left lean from those of us in the US but Eds and Froofrou man the conservative front, I am in the moderate with Diss and a few others.
So I am really waiting to see this whole PK party line you are speaking of Dhoti because it honestly doesn’t exist. We just want that whole crazy logical and non-whining angle with our discussions.
Fester rightly assumes that the word of a liar is no good, but he fails to follow that to the next logical step, that a liar throwing around accusations of lying is worthless. For if he can’t be trusted to tell the truth, and I say that his comments on the various Catholic lols lately show quite clearly that he equates pedophilia with male homosexuality — one of the cardinal rules of the modern-day homophobe — he’ll simply lie to cover his tracks, saying, I don’t know, “you’re taking it out of context” or “you’re a thief” or “these are not the words I thought I knew” or something.
In this case, I meant “PK party line” to be “the list of topics and opinions Fester has deemed to be appropriate and not to be met with shouting” — which I personally think is close to the PK party line, but I’ll concede that its existence and extent are up for debate.
What isn’t, I think, is that Fester will old man yell at anything outside his very narrow conceptions, and will pull anything out of his ass to make a scene.
Um no. He hasn’t said anything of the sort. He equates Catholic leadership with greed and sexual assault on minors while being bastards who attack homosexuality.
To sum up, no, you are grasping.
And you choose to respond to it, which makes you a puppet dancing to his tune. Is that fun for you?
ROFL… link to the place where I say that Black Flag…
The “pope class seating” thread was quite thick with it. At least you had the decency to make it obvious subtext rather than a brazen declaration. But I’m sure you’ll lie about that too…
@Dhoti: [LINK]
No offense to Fester, but I think Dhoti is putting way more importance on him than necessary. Fester is a popular and prolific poster here, but I most certainly wouldn’t say the site revolves around him like Dhoti is insisting.
ok i hate to say it but SERIOUSLY GUYS: GET A NEW HOBBIE. YOU’VE BEEN BASHING EACH OTHER FOR LONG ENOUGH TO MAKE SEVERAL DELICIOUS SANDWICHES!!! >.<; waste of your lives and mine, reading through to get to the interesting comments.
@Eric: True that. Dhoti’s perception is way
off, due to his placement of Moriarty-like
importance on Unc. It eats at his core.
I think that by putting Fester in the role of Moriarty, you’re giving Dhoti far too much credit, as M’s bane is Sherlock Holmes. Perhaps a comparison to Mr. Magoo for Dhoti would be more appropriate, although I’m not sure what role Fester would play in that scenario.
Good point. Unc is Dohti’s Roadrunner, then.
Don’t ever insult Wiley in my presence again…
Okay, I’m 0 for 2. Your turn. It’s harder than it seems on first glance, because you have to find someone as stupid as Dohti, but that’s impossible, so you go with what you can, that’s recognizable to a wide audience.
As I’ve also just learned, you can’t use a lovable character, either, so you have to find one that’s universally despicable.
It’s simple. Dhoti is Elmer Fudd.
Obsessed with his own awesomeness
Concerned with a foe beyond his abilities
Ineffective with his own weapon
Don’t ever insult Elmer in my presence again…
Elmer’s charm is his incompetence as is Dhoti’s.
Also, LOL that was an awesome Touche’ my dear. Now I must go to bed if I am to have any chance of affection tonight. Damn infant keeping us both awake…
More Yosemite Sam… incompetent and
paranoid.
‘Subtext’ = ‘I can’t actually put my finger on
it but I think you meant this…’
Bollocks. THere again, it’s the best a lying
liarwith low comprehension skills like Dhoti
the Black Flag can manage…
Pitiable really…
Don’t ever insult Henry Rollins like that in my presence again…
As much as I was thinking about staying out of this (since it all went on while I was offline anyway) I have to add: Foghorn Leghorn. That is all.
These are all great characters, but are all
likable in some way. I think we all should
dig down and find someone much more
despicable, like Gilbert Gottfried.
@Diss – the Black Flag was his previous monika
@Fester: Ah, clears that up, then…
Well, let’s see here. A well-supported thesis of modern psychology is that the presence of a reasonable but imperfect risk mitigation mechanism tends to increase the incidence of risky behavior. Somehow, that thesis is good enough for traffic safety and gun laws, but not for epidemiology? You might want to rethink your conclusions on human nature, my friend.
I would think that, after the last eight years of Jesus-based policy, you’d be eager to empirically analyze an issue and make a logical, rational conclusion. Yet you’re apparently fine throwing millions of poor black people under the bus because that conclusion doesn’t fit with the fashionable bigotry of the moment.
Nice.
HO! Thief! I think you had a nesting fail there…
I know this will come as a shock, but why would I bother logically rebutting one of your thrown feces masterpieces?
And in english, thief.
Dhoti likes to use words that sound big and grand *points to above post* but that he really doesn’t know the meaning of.
He copied and pasted those, with no footnote.
and then he make shit up… but then, thief and liar go together, now don’t they?
Amusing that you, of all people, are the one throwing that accusation around. I count at least a dozen lies from you on this page alone, Alinsky.
and more work bandwidth gone… thief, liar…
Please, prove me a liar…
In terms of you being a liar and a thief, it’s pretty easy… you make noises about ‘honesty’ then steal work bandwidth… simple.
So, please, my 12 lies on this page…
I don’t suppose you can prove that? Otherwise, it would be *gasp* a lie! And why should I try to call out a liar — if you’ll lie about me, you’ll surely lie to cover your own ass.
So go ahead, o paragon of truth.
Soooo……..that’s yet another claim followed by a ‘Oh noes, I don’t have to prove myself, because you’re such a baaaaaaaaad maaaaaaaaan!!!!!!!’ Hmmmm. You might want to work on that debate style.
See 4:28 post above. I tend to confine actual rebuttals to threads with a lower amount of Fester around — it makes it harder for him to derail the discussion.
That’s not exactly a cite, or even a back-up of a claim. You’re just making another claim that you’re not backing up.
What do you want me to do — post links to the last three lols with Catholic discussions in the comments? If you’re interested in doing the research, they’re very easy to find.
Here’s the deal: You make the claim, it’s not up to me to do your research to back YOU up. If you want to make a claim, then YOU get to do the research and post the links to back it up. Also, if you’ll read DWN’s latest post, you’ll realize that Fester is not, in fact, saying what you so desperately want him to say.
Have you read those comment threads?
Have you? Other than through your Fester-hatin’ eyeglasses?
Dhoti, you do realize that you are trying to get us to do for you what you are claiming we do for Fester. You are trying to narrow the field of conversation into your acceptable range. Any naysayers are shouted down until you are hoarse, then you sign out obscenities to continue.
At this point, you’re becoming what you claim Fester is… Just an observation but I figured I would share. I present this entire thread as proof too. You come out of nowhere and make posts about feces, he comes out of nowhere and makes posts about your bandwidth stealing, which to be honest, I wouldn’t consider a crime.
Then again, I try not to judge against those doing the same damn thing I am doing. Such as posting from work during a lull. So for what it is worth, I don’t hold posting from work against you.
Also, for the record, the night before Anti-Fester decided to be his own man and go by the name of Goosef, he and I were having fun discussing movies and whatnot to which Fester attacked since I was fraternizing with a known thorn in the side. I retorted back and took things in stride. Water off a duck’s back and I can dish out what I take and all that jazz.
So if you are going to accuse me of being a Stockholm victim, at least know enough not to look the fool to anybody with a functioning memory.
I make no apologies for treating Fester like a hateful attention whore. If you have an issue with the tone of a response to someone else, then by all means, let me know.
froofrou — read the damn threads, then make your own conclusions. I did. Particularly if you’re going to dismiss any conclusion I make as the work of spectacles, then I don’t feel the need to type up a ten-page, double-paced essay when the source material is right here. We’re not talking about proofs by authority here that require links to vetted material, after all.
I am not asking you to apologize for anything you said to Fester. He’s a big boy and can handle his own shit. I am just correcting your statement about me having Stockholm syndrome. Like I said very clearly, if you are going to make a retort or blanket statement, make sure it actually has merit.
And on that delightful note, I done stealing bandwidth for the day. Later all.
If I recall DWN, you take no particular moral
high ground.
and, of course you wouldn’t regard it as a
crime, you’re doing it now… but you’re up
front about it. I will say, piss off the wrong
guy, and it’s entirely possible that, sometime,
all this shit will come back to bite you if they
start looking at logs.
As to Dhoti, he’s just an ass.
Upon further reflection, Dwn, it’s telling that you accept Fester’s claim that I’m posting from work without question.
and you’re not posting from work? You without a job again?
They find you find you eating the donut dough raw at ANOTHER Shop?
Or were you licking the windows… that can put the patrons RIGHT off…
Dhoti, seriously. Call your dad, and work things out, if you can. If you can’t resolve those matters directly, go to a psychotherapist. There are a lot of exercises you can do. Yes, it’s painful, but it’s *good* pain, because it’s progress.
Going onto a LOL comment section and lashing out against your perception of the alpha male is pathetic, and won’t resolve your troubles. You’re doing yourself more harm this way than if you did nothing about your issues at all. Can you not see that?
@Dhoti: That is quite the word trap you set for yourself. Either you aren’t working when you are posting, which is a good part of the day or you are lying about posting from work. I made the assumption that most folks in America are posting from work as I don’t want to make the arrogant assumption that you are unemployed. Thus I am trying to be respectful of that fact and go along with Fester’s assumption.
I would suggest rethinking your stance.
@Fester: Well I am within policy as long as I don’t post while calls are waiting. So I’m alright as long as we are in a lull… >_>
As for moral high ground, I try to avoid it because I tend to sound like more of an ass than I usually do when I go there.
Yeah, I know DWN, but it’s something to
bear in mind, since policy changes…
I know it varies by state, but Frou the HR
Grizzly can bear (pun deliberate) can bear
that out
I do not accept the term ‘HR Grizzly’. I’m more of an ‘HR Mountain Lion’. I can ignore you unless you do something to rankle my ire
Grizzlies seldom attack unprovoked.
Froofrou as a cougar… Ya, I can see that, having known a Louisiana cougar though Froofrou is much more tame by comparison.
Well, then, it should be easy to refute, eh?
It’s easier to prove… so prove it, thief…
I asked first. Or are you just trying to shout me down?
You accused… prove it.
As to shouting you down, why on earth would I want to?
You prove yourself an idiot with every post.
but then, you’re a thief and a liar…
And yet you’re so insecure about that apparently inescapable conclusion that you have to follow me around like an incontinent puppy. Your words won’t quite matach your actions, hon.
So, that’s a “no” on the refutation, then?
what ever you like, big boy…
I just push the button and you dance… it’s
funny, and you prove me right
Any way, unless you’ve got a second shift,
you’ll be heading home in the next hour or so…
But please, tell me more of my homophobia
while on work’s tome… I’m sure the bosses
won’t mind.
@Dhoti: Exactly, he is giving the same amount of proof as you are. Stating that you asked first is weak. I could ask Fester for his proof but I have already seen plenty on my own so I am just waiting for yours.
Shall this discussion evolve or do you get a perverse pleasure from the “I asked first” game?
dhoti – do you strive for a position in politics when you get out of school? i have never seen someone write so much to say so little…
Really? I recall asking first being wielded as a rhetorical hammer last time I was here. Either the rules aren’t consistent or they aren’t applied consistently to posters who haven’t earned the secret handshake.
Which means?
And we’re still waiting for the homophobe charge to be proven…
No, you’re just taking potshots while cowering behind your defenders.
ROFL Oh, you are priceless…
Now, this homophobe stuff – proof…
I’d like something before your shift ends, and you still have to clean that fryer…
I suppose it’s possible you don’t entirely believe it yourself — after all, if you lie to everyone else, why not lie to yourself, too? But that’s fine with me. Keep whining about proof, ignore the clear evidence and the obvious conclusions, and feel a little better about yourself. I’m not worried that others will need my help to see just how reprehensible you are.
It absolutely blows my mind at the amount of self-delusion you have working for you, Dhoti. Do you honestly think you’ve provided proof of anything? If so, where is it? Where are the links to what you’re claiming? Where are the obvious conclusions found, other than in your posts stating that you’ve made obvious conclusions? Does it burn calories when you’re delusional? Is that why you’re doing it?
Wow. This whole thread has a completely different overtone when listening to Blue October’s Hate Me on my ipod while reading it. Trippy. At the risk of being labeled with Stockholm’s Syndrome I’d like to point out that Dhoti should be extremely grateful to Unc. If Unc didn’t constantly throw down with him, he’ pretty much be ignored as Random Crazy ™ for the most part.
“Either the rules aren’t consistent or they aren’t applied
consistently to posters who haven’t earned the secret
handshake.”
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yes. we apply the stupid rule to people who are stupid by action or inaction. we consistently apply these rules.
.
there’s about to be a new rule called the ‘dhoti’ rule; which states that anyone who posts more than 100 characters without making a point can be ignored and lambasted without fear of reprisal.
@froofrou: If you haven’t read the threads, it doesn’t make much difference, does it? Stop misdirecting.
@Jane: Constantly == once? I wasn’t planning on responding here.
@ Dhoti: I never said I didn’t read the threads. I said YOU didn’t read them, because you don’t know what you’re talking about.
@ ubr: Can we ammend Dhoti’s Rule to include posters who scream about making points but have nothing to back them up? Or who tell others to go do the research for them?
@froo – certainly. those shall be subparagraphs 1 and 2. do we have any other riders to be added before the bill is voted on?
*cough* Anniee *cough*
Shall we entitle the law ‘The Dhoti and Anniee Law of Infernal Twittery’, or is that too long?
Considering they appear to be the same “person,” I’d call it the Anniedhot Law.
Or the Anti-Doh! Law?
LOL! Perfect!!! Ubr, since you hold the gavel on this, what do you think?
Hang on! Can we lengthen the word count to 1000? 100 characters is only 20 words (not counting spaces), and the average noob wouldn’t make a point in that bit of space.
I also think we should make it such that it’s okay not to make a point as long as there’s no snark involved. Just trying to keep it LOLish here…
I love how this went from an interesting conversation on how the work os abstinence only education to a PAGAN people wouldn’t work to a pissing contest for all involved. >.<
You mean where he said “rebutting”? heheheheheh
Yes, hehehehe.
I’m going to ignore the spat between the two of you and try to address your point.
“A well-supported thesis of modern psychology is that the presence of a reasonable but imperfect risk mitigation mechanism tends to increase the incidence of risky behavior. Somehow, that thesis is good enough for traffic safety and gun laws, but not for epidemiology?”
…….
This reminds me of the argument that you might get stuck in your seatbelt if your car went into the water, causing you to drown, so because of this small increase in risk you should not wear a seatbelt. Overall, this scenario notwithstanding, the use of seatbelts in cars saves lives and reduces the risk of injury. Of course, the perfect prevention for auto accident deaths would be if we simply stopped driving. That’s not going to happen, nor is the pope making speeches going to make people stop having sex. All he’s doing is giving some people an excuse not to wear condoms, just like that idiot who really just doesn’t want to wear a seatbelt and uses the drowning fantasy as an excuse.
I’m sure he’d drown regardless of the seatbelt….have you ever tried to get out of a sinking car? (just to make a non-point to your well-thought-out point
)
Only in every other nightmare. Kind of a recurring theme, I suppose.
Thing is, the Theif was rebutting SHORT RIGHT, not Diss…
But he seems to want to make about me and him… ah well.
Thief, Liar and Idiot. One thing, although it’s troublesome, you
have to admire his efficiency of getting it all in one place…
Sorry, sometimes the threads get so long it’s hard for me to follow who is replying to who (whom??). I think I screwed up the color settings on my monitor when I set it up. My photos all print much darker than they appear on my screen, and the lines here for the replies are so faint I can hardly see them.
And now for something completely different…
Have you (or anyone else) tried the stupid filter? (LINK)
It’s not about the specifics of the mitigator — just the fact that it’s there. In the case of seat belts, a better analogy would be that drivers tend to drive faster or more aggressively because they believe using their seat belt makes them safer. (In real life, it may not hold for seat belts, but it definitely does for antilock brakes and airbags.)
Further, in the case where the idiot’s worrying about drowning, his lack of a seatbelt really only affects him (ignoring the money wasted on emergency services to scoop his brains off the pavement). But if he feels safer and drives more recklessly, he’s endangering everyone else on the road.
Ah, but without the seatbelt, he is greatly increasing his risk of brain and neck injury (skull versus windshield, windshield tends to win). And therefore he will become a drain on society in some nursing home for many years. So it isn’t just the cost of emergency services scraping up remains off of the road.
His actions in that case aren’t putting any other lives in jeopardy, just his own. But if he’s engaging in riskier behavior because of the sense of security the seat belt gives him, he might very well be at a greater risk of injury than if he had left it off and driven prudently.
And that’s the point I’m making here — because people are naturally bad at estimating risk, it’s plausible that the current thinking on condom use is actually causing more HIV transmission than it’s preventing. (I also believe that, in fact, this is occurring, and that the Pope’s objections to African condom distribution are in part based on this more than just “hay guys no boning”, but I think this is a necessary point to work through before getting to the more politically intertwined stuff.)
I think there is something to be said for security factor causing riskier behavior, but the riskier behavior itself is going on regardless of seat belt versus no seat belt, condom versus no condom. If given the choice between trying to get people to wear seatbelts on the outside chance that they will plow into a school bus, a tree, or a little old lady crossing the street, or having them wear no seatbelt and endanger themselves along with all of the other people they’re endangering, I think erring on the side of caution is warranted.
But that’s the point — erring on the side of “caution” actually isn’t; it’s getting more people killed.
You’re assuming that the levels of AIDS and other STDs would have remained the same or fallen had condoms not become common. That’s a pretty big assumption. If we had not allowed condoms to become common in the culture, would we not then be blaming the lack of condoms for the widespread outbreaks of AIDS and other life-threatening STDs? You’re placing too much faith in man, for that.
I agree, I don’t think that assumption is accurate — but here I’m really only worried about short- and medium-term tactics, not strategy. And in that spirit I think it’s a good way to begin to stabilize the problem while figuring out the much harder strategy of getting the rates down.
I posted a link that summed up some of the more recent thinking on the subject; not sure if it’s coming through or not.
Short term tactics are to blame for most of teh world’s ills at this point. So I think that shorting the long term is just going to get you into more trouble than what it’s worth. You’ve got to find a way to balance out the long-term and the short-term, and telling people that not wearing their seatbelts or not wearing condoms is not the way to do that.
And besides, here’s proof that you’re wrong: [link]
Lol, when the Pope made that announcement about condoms recently my first comparison was to seatbelts. [link]
What about the (ok, this is anecdotal, but it’s my observation) fact that the people you see driving like maniacs seem to overlap a LOT with the people you see driving without their seatbelts on? In my experience, there doesn’t seem to be much of an effect of safety equipment giving a false sense of security and causing more reckless behavior with cars; if anything, the people who are inclined to be reckless are also more inclined to think they’re
invulnerable in the first place. (Which would seem to equal the people who will also be risk-takers as far as protection from STDs, but I have no idea if there’s actually a correlation statistically.)
It’s the Pope’s job to say “less sexxxing plz”. I don’t believe that condom availability promotes risky sexual behaviour, and I don’t think the Pope believes it either.
HIV tends to be massive when and where it’s a taboo subject. I firmly believe that HIV rates would decrease if people would say “One of us might have HIV, so I’ma wear a rubber, k”.
However, if you are going to say that, then you have to also bring up the invention of antibiotics. People are being more risky than they have int he past because of the knowledge that if they get sick they can be cured? Never mind the countless bacteria that can’t be treated anymore thanks to overuse and people not taking them right (my current series deals with MRSA, scary stuff). Though I in part agree that the use of any safety thing makes the chances of someone doing something to further endanger themselves is a bit presumptuous. Where is your source for saying that? I’m friends with a few psychologists and I’ve never heard this before.
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Generally the human mind is very good at distinguishing what will bring them pain or not. And what will cause them danger or not. Especially when they get into the ‘mid-life’ stage. Have you read a recent medical journal involving rats that are encouraged to go down a tunnel where one half is lit up unberabely bright and the other side is nice and dark? For half of them they shocked the things as they entered into the dark tunnel, just once and a light shock, and the others they did nothing. It only took one shock for the experiment to work, the other rats no longer wanted anything to do with the dark tunnel, even though rats are predominately nocturnal. Interesting stuff.
Dhoti wrote: “In real life, it may not hold for seat belts, but it definitely does for antilock brakes and airbags.”
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Here is where you provide PROOF, in the form of a cited source that backs up your outlandish claim that people with airbags and anti-lock breaks drive faster than drivers who own vehicles without those safety features.
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I can provide myself as an example that discredits your claim. I own a 2006 Subaru Impreza with all of the above safety mechanisms and I drive it responsibly. I also own a 1991 Mustang GT convertible with over 250 horsepower, no airbags, and no anti-lock breaks. I drive that car much more aggressively at much higher speeds than I do the Subaru.
“I also own a 1991 Mustang GT convertible with over 250 horsepower, no airbags, and no anti-lock breaks. I drive that car much more aggressively at much higher speeds than I do the Subaru.”
I don’t have anything of substance to contribute; I just wanted to say “DAMN, that sounds like fun, The Steve!”
Anecdote =/= proof.
+
Having said that–DAYYUM!
My inner 16-year-old wants ta borrow the keys…
No, it isn’t “proof”. But it does show that her logic is completely flawed. If ONE person drives more recklessly in a vehicle WITHOUT safety features, then it is impossible for ALL people to drive more recklessly in vehicles WITH safety features.
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She said DEFINITELY, which is an absolute that she can’t substantiate.
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And yes, it is fun! Although it’s much less fun when gas was $4+ per gallon. I swear I spend 2 dollars just pulling out of the garage!
Here is where this entire issue falls apart as a criticism of the pope.
Anyone listening to the Pope in regards to using/not using condoms would likely be listening on other sexual issues and will be attempting to live a monogomous life in which multiple sexual partners are prohibited.
Those who are sleeping with multiple partners and having the kind of sex which puts one at high risk for AIDS will simply not be listening to the pope regarding whether or not they should be wearing a condom.
The Catholic Church has no power to actually forbid condom use in those who would actually be open to using condoms anyway.
The whole Catholic Church is killing people by forbidding condoms sounds great as a stick to bash Catholics with, but when you pull it apart even a tiny bit, it turns out to be a pile of nonsense.
If he was only saying that, then there’d be no issue from me, since I think the Church of Rome is well passed its useful life, along with all the other cults of Abraham.
However, he’s doing a bit more than that, he’s saying that condoms spread HIV…, and the Vatican is using junk science to ‘prove it’.
I think a key word in that is “attempting”….not Catholic myself, but I suspect that if everyone who was listening to the Pope was successful in their attempts to comply with all the rules, they wouldn’t need to have Confession. People aren’t perfect. If somebody who is attempting to live a monogamous life is going to stray out of that, I’d rather they weren’t thinking “Well, the Pope said condoms don’t help anyway, so why bother?”
(Although I have to admit, I would question whether a professional celibate would be the best source of information about condoms anyway…)
thank god. i honestly thought i’d caught a bad case of the stoopids off of some of the people who’ve been around here recently.
Thank goodness Stoopid isn’t sexually transmitted…
Although I think it’s long-proven that sex can make us stoopid.
Thankfully that kind of stoopid is temporary!
But it is…to the next generation.
Ignoring the bulk of your senseless post, you remind me of something I heard once:
Remember Jeffry Dahmer? Remeber how he went to jail for murdering kids, having sex with the corpses, and eating them? It turns out, he used condoms during his horrible acts! How is it *that* message got through? “Always wear a condom”, sure, but how did he miss the part where it’s wrong to commit murder and then **** the corpse?!?
Wow.
I would guess that it’s more a case of how he related to the actions – sex being something dirty bad and punishment-like and the cannibalistic parts more power- or ritual-connected? I have no idea, but I’d doubt it was any form of sane “ah yes, contraceptives we need”-action on his part?
Good point. Also, Dahmer’s compulsion led him to seek a mannequin-like sex slave, over whom he had absolute dominion. In his head, contracting a STD from a victim would reverse the control, power, domination, etc.
Which “doctors”? And when did these “doctors” say this? And what fields were these “doctors” working in? I’m afraid that as it stands your current comment is far to vague to be taken seriously. Come back with information to back your claims. Additionally if you had bothered to look into your claim regarding rape you would have found that many rapists use condoms. Do you think they want to leave D.N.A evidence all over their victim? Unless they are practising catholic rapists I suppose, in which case they have no choice.
You need to learn the difference between doctors and witchdoctors.
people should just stop with all the catholic/pope bashing. it’s not very funny, and it’s getting pretty old
Old? Heh, you’re talking to someone in health care who’s peeeest off.
Correction: YOU don’t find it funny. I find it humorous bordering on sad because it hits too close to the truth. I’m sure if I was one of many of the children who had been molested by priest who were in turn protected by the Catholic church for years I would think that Catholic/Pope bashing would NEVER get old. I guess what I’m trying to say here is that your opinion and what you think is appropriate doesn’t and shouldn’t dictate what gets put on the website.
I hate when I see mistakes AFTER I hit the add comment button. The above should have *priests* and it should probably read *one of the many children* instead of the weird Yoda sentence structure I have going on.
I have the same issue and you have my sympathy.
For someone who’s not made a cogent comment, other than calling me a ‘twat’, I’d keep the left footed bullshit down to a dull roar.
Like the bulk of the faithful, the more you say the more monstrous and inhuman you become.
I’m surprised people aren’t already arguing about the misuse of the word “Irony” in this caption.
I guess I’ll start.
This picture is not and example of irony. It’s hypocrisy.
So there.
It can be both. So there there.
Irony is when the opposite of what you expect to happen, happens. When the Pope tells people in Africa that they shouldn’t use condoms it’s because he believes that they should go forth and multiply. That implies that the Pope believes we need more little Christian soldiers in Africa when, clearly, we do not. Hence, irony.
But where’s the goldy and bronzey?
*moves painting to cover large wall safe* I have no idea what you’re talking about.
>_>
<_<
Nope, no idea at all.
Clever Distraction Time!
Soooo, damn commies keeping their boobies to themselves. IT IS AGAINST AMERICAN VALUES!!!!111!!
Obama is going to federalize tit distribution!!!
Ahem. *points to previous lol* I think you’ll find the People’s Breasts in action over there.
That I noticed. Had to try for more, ya know.
Once they have had a taste for Socialist Breasts, they shall never partake of Capitalism again.
when you can get boobs for free, why pay for them?
To each according to his boobness, from each according to her boobs?
In this unsure economy it’s nice to know I have job security.
Mmmmmm, breasts…
Free boobs? Where?
So, then, what’s the term for when your own personal bigotry prevents you from comprehending the other side of an argument?
OH you mean like why you can steal from work while impugning the honesty of others? but then Black Flag, you’re simple a heady combo of a thief and a liar…
It’s that scholarly insight that makes you so valuable around here.
It’s your thieving ways that make you simply a thief and a hypocrite… what else do you steal?
But please continue to prove me right by stealing more of your employer’s bandwidth… after all, the mail closet must be quiet this time of day.
Just your heart, sweetie. Why else the obsessive trolling?
Thanks, Captain Klepto…
Are you off your meds again? All I was doing in the post you responded to was explaining how the captioner used irony correctly. Furthermore, disagreeing with the Church’s stance on birth control isn’t bigotry, it’s disagreement. That’s like saying disagreeing with the President and the Government is bigotry, in which case, you have a few consistency problems.
Oh. Whoa, I think I fail big time. Haha, ok when I first commented I for some reason thought that by “protection” it meant like weapons… I saw the cops and security and that must be why I thought that. So.. just disregard what I said.
Although in my defense I think the caption is a minor clarity fail, it could have said “condoms” rather than “protection”.
But look at this long thread I started since yesterday!
lol, things said by Jon Stewert and then said by other people are funny
o.o
so it seems…
While I love to laugh at the church, I don’t find this funny. I find it sad, because it’s true. Way to be a douche, your pope-ness.
Well said. I know a LOT of Catholics, and most of them are perfectly decent, mature people. I certainly can’t say that about the Pope. Of course he could argue that he’s just doing his job, but that’s a pretty lame excuse.
Of course the pope is opposed to birth control. More people=more money for him
I wondered what that cha-ching sound was everytime I walked into a Catholic Church was.
If Africans are too damn stupid to use birth control for the last million years they’ve been starving to death, I really doubt anything the pope has to say about it is going to make a difference.
If everyone in Africa became Catholic, and gave all their money to them, they’d have about $100.
Governments want people to be born to, at least they used to, they grow up to pay taxes unless of course they’re “Africans”.
What do you call 50,000,000 Africans with AIDS?
A GOOD START!
Yep, they’re so stupid….
You had the benefit of health class and sexual education curriculum. Many Africans have received no such education. How can you expect them to know the science behind STD’s and reproduction unless someone teaches them?
Do you know the OSI model for computer networking? No. Because you haven’t had that education. Not knowing doesn’t make you stupid, it only means you are uninformed.
Especially since many are still very superstitious. There are some tribes that get ride of twins still because they see it as an evil omen that will bring sickness and drought to the land. That being said, how can someone say “they’re too stupid to not use birth control” when clearly they are still in the ‘dark ages’ of education. They need help, not name calling.
I’m rest assured that if you didn’t tell a white American what birth control or a condom were, and didn’t bring RELIGION into it, then they would be doing the same thing. This is another example of those who take public education for granted. *shakes head*
um NO, actually, MY PARENTS told me where babies come from and I certainly didn’t need “health class” to explain it. Not knowing that sex leads to babies makes you S T U P I D, ok? The difference is, when civilized people get pregnant and they have little money, they at least TRY and not do it 10 MORE times. People who still live in the stone age are stupid, period, end of story.
If you actually think there’s a comparison between basic bodily functions and “OSI model for computer networking”….you’re beyond stupid.
You fail. Epically.
They aren’t taught about STDs you dumbass. THAT’s the problem. Anyone can look at Tab A and figure out it’s supposed to go in Slot B. The potential *consequences*, however, and how to help prevent them, are not. And it’s not as simple as “sex leads to babies”. There are many myths about how to stop pregancy: douching with Coca-Cola, It Won’t Happen If You’re A Virgin, and so on. Educating the people as to what REALLY works and what doesn’t is important.
you’re not yet 25 and American, aren’t you?
Douchebag.
Don’t put those lessons from your parents to use. We don’t need the risk of any more of your kind.
Not to mention, GaD, that for many of the women, choice does not necessarily come into things. Often it’s the men choosing to take the risks, because they won’t be the one’s carrying another unwanted life to term, and when it comes to infection, they are more likely to give than receive.
Much like I imagine you would in such circumstances, they choose to plough away and let their womenfolk take the consequences. If you asked the African women bearing hungry children and suffering from STDs, they’d probably like to know a bit more about this ‘condom’ business.
“Condoms are only 80% effective (if used correctly) in preventing pregnancy,”
Please provide a cite for that statistic because I’m calling 100% bullsh*t on it.
just restating what obgyn told me. also, since most people dont use them correctly anyway…
The estimated typical pregnancy rate among condom users in the US is about 14 per 100 women. This rate is higher than for most other methods (367, 537, 538). 86<99.5 of B.C. that 14% isnt a risk i’d take idk about you… so yeah 86. MB. my obgyn was off.
http://www.infoforhealth.org/pr/h9/h9chap4.shtml
80% > 0%
That said, your 80% statistic is completely bullshit. They are far more effective than that.
“History of Condoms” link, as an anecdote.
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How often do condoms fail?
There is no one answer to this, as different studies have shown different results. Many studies of condom effectiveness have counted how often women have become pregnant when their partners have used condoms for birth control. This “failure rate” includes cases where the couple did not use a condom every time they had sex, or they did not use the condom correctly. Some studies have included the times the condom was torn accidentally by people using it.18
Should have nested @ AnshaWednesday.
Sad, the irony is almost oppressive. Still, when you have alot of money and you feel the need to protect a almost deific figure, i suppose you would build a bullet proof car and not donate the money to a program that really could use it. To
help people when they need it not tell them to wait till they die.
You’re wrong. Catholics have a super-secret plot to use sex for procreation to take over the world.
Silly.
My bad, sorry!
Oh! I thought that was the Mormons.. thanks for clarifying.
Perhaps it’s a conspiracy…
Catholics and Mormons together? Holy communion, Batman, we’re toast!
…and they’ve probably got the Duggars involved, too. And possibly Octo-mom…
And don’t forget the Ludites.. but then, they won’t get polled, so they could be the ace up the sleeve.
So here’s an open question:
Why, if very few Africans, and even fewer of the people who are pushing to distribute condoms in Africa, are Catholic, why should they care what the pope says?
Perfect use effectiveness: 97%.
Typical use effectiveness varies country to country, but is estimated in the US at 86%.
You seem to be pretty new here, Ansha, so you may not know this. See how my name is blue? It’s linked to an article from Population Reports with supporting data. I copypasted the address into the field marked URI when replying. This is what we mean by citing here.
See, i thought that Benedict at some point not too long ago had said that condoms were acceptable in africa due to the rampant AIDS epidemic there.. what ever happened to that?
When/where was that said?
I’m pretty sure there’s a difference between having sex such that a baby might occur and being shot. One brings someone to life. The other ends someone’s life. I just think that this picture has absolutely no irony in it whatsoever. Now, if he were talking about not wearing bullet-proof vests, then I could see some irony.
I believe it to be a joke about the “protection” terms.
Smart
Catholic Pimp needs to die of AIDS is what I say. Proud to be an apostate.
thinking crowds of Africans are a bad thing = FAIL.
What do you mean? Who thinks crowds of Africans are a bad thing? *confused*
whoever posted this stole it essentially word for word from john stewart. fail.
HATE SPEECH!!! BIGOTS!!!
Wondered what it was like to be an enlighted leftest…. Naw. That don’t make sense either…
Tolerance and diversity only works as long as you don’t disagree with them.
As for the bigot comment… The stance on condoms is that sex should only occur in marrage and you should never try and stop life from occuring. But you enlighted ones simply wouldn’t understand a simple principle like that.
So. Go ahead and be biased against Christianity, but support the religion of peace while they behead you infidels.
Using a condom is stopping life from occurring? Well, I suppose so, but only in the sense that not having unprotected sex every moment of my waking life is stopping lives from occuring. Right now, I’m not creating any new life, and I don’t feel bad about it. Any couple who has sex only enough times to have their three kids should perhaps have married someone they’re a little more attracted to?
That’s not irony. Do you know how much Catholic “Charities” makes off of shipping African kids to wealthy American families? Human trafficking (excuse me…adoption…ahem) is a very lucrative business, especially for religious groups. After all, stripping children of their culture, heritage, family of origin, language, and genetic mirror is God’s work, don’tcha know.
Such an irony, and also a slap in the face.
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I’m an equal opportunity oppressor… I have a critique for all the Cults of Abraham…
Me too, but when I think of how the Catholic Church rules with an iron fist, coupled with the vast amount of wealth and lost artwork stored in the Vatican, I find claims that we’re somehow being unfair for critiquing them another fine example of irony.
I just claim to give them the same amount of respect as they give the gays…
I know! I shudder to think how much lost art they have stored away in their halls. I mean, after the crusades I can only imagine how many long lost relics of both Islamic and Christianity are horded away. Makes me a saaaad panda.
…and women…
TBH, anyone who’s not clergy…
It’s why they dealt with anyone who promised to honour their neutrality in WW”
That’s another thing. How much stuff from both WW is in the damn church?Hardly seems fair. And don’t get me started on how little they paid the artists that did all of their most notable stuff.
HIV can’t even live outside the body for more than a few hours, even in the MOST ideal laboratory conditions, whereas Hepatitis is MUCH more robust and infectious, according to this (and another) link, which I can’t seem to post.
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Unlike HIV, the hepatitis C virus can live for a long time outside the body (estimates vary between seven to 10 days to weeks or months). For example, wiping blood off a razor or nail clippers won’t kill it. Dried blood could still cause transmission of hepatitis C. Using bleach to kill hepatitis C is mostly unsuccessful.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I was told by a OBGYN that the virus that causes HPV is transmissible through (yes, that’s THROUGH) a condom.
I would agree with this, but I was coming at it from the angle of: people criticise HHBXVI for speaking out against condom use, then in the next breath, explain what a feeble old hypocrite he is. If he’s a feeble old hypocrite, why should someone of that opinion care what he’s got to say about condom use, or any other subject, for that matter?
damn their not there.
Erm, what you’re doing there is attributing Edward C. Green and Allison Herling Ruark’s reasoning to that of the Vatican. That isn’t a causal link, more two parallel traunches of research that happen to agree.
The Vatican funded stuff I’ve looked at appears to be
junk science of the form ‘we want to prove XYZ’ and lo an behold, they do, and when you read the controls and experimental method you begin to see systemic bias. So Anaemic yourself, dirt ball!
The Harvard Study I’d have to look at, but when you see “Catholic University of America (Ph.D., 1974, Anthropology)” on the primary named author’s CV then you do ponder… and the second named seems to make
appearances at things like CCIH, “The mission of Christian Connections for International Health is to promote international health and wholeness from a Christian perspective.” who wear their bias pretty much up front…
You then begin to wonder…
But untill I read the paper I won’t know…
However, your linkage is specious, but I agree there could be a link, but no in the direction you’re claiming…
not supported by even a desultory search.
Which isn’t supported?