Comments on: HIGH CHURCH OFFICIALS

By: Annie

Annie — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:56:05 +0000

So keeping him on the shelf next to my mint condition Dahli Llama! (begs for forgiveness to anyone uptight enough to be offended)

By: April

April — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 06:48:01 +0000

I do know, but it has no bearing on my life.
My husband has always been a citizen, so as far as my children are concerned what generation any of us are doesn’t matter in the least. They are multi-generational Americans and I’m their mother.
By mutual agreement, we don’t discuss details of my youth.
Perhaps when we are elderly.

By: April

April — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 06:40:44 +0000

Just so you know, your calling me a W/G Jew (I’m stealing that, by the way, to show my converted friends) doesn’t offend me in the slightest. You’re darned right that I’d rather look everything up so I don’t appear daft when trying to discuss issues. It’s way easier than interpreting the meanings of scripture. Have you ever tried to read any of the Tanakh for basic understanding? LOL!
I’m not reluctant to ask, but I want to know what the answer is before I DO ask or try to join a conversation.
I know it makes you feel great to call me that, but since I acknowledged it as teh truth from the get-go don’t feel too self-important.
LOL! I’ve decided to call us Wikoogle Jews!! My friends will LOVE it!

By: froofrou

froofrou — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 06:36:44 +0000

I’m not sure, I figured you would know.

By: April

April — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 06:20:04 +0000

You can’t be first generation if you weren’t born here, can you?

By: froofrou

froofrou — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 06:17:53 +0000

So where does the ESL fit in?
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And I’m nowhere close to first gen.

By: April

April — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 06:07:34 +0000

No. Are you?

By: froofrou

froofrou — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 06:03:28 +0000

Are you a first-generation American?

By: April

April — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:53:16 +0000

I am of Asiatic descent and am American.
You?

By: April

April — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:50:55 +0000

Link to parve as being useful to all faiths.

By: froofrou

froofrou — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:49:40 +0000

Both.

By: April

April — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:46:47 +0000

Originally, or now? And you?

By: April

April — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:44:28 +0000

Where did I say Baptists didn’t eat pork? I said they had dietary restrictions, and they do, in most instances. They don’t imbibe alcohol, which is a dietary restriction. You may want to actually read what I said before you call me out on it
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{lenty of Christian faiths have dietary restrictions. Eastern Orthodox Christianity, Roman Catholics, Seventh Day Adventists, Baptists, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, individuals who follows the cloven-hoof prohibition in the Bible, just to name a few.
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By: froofrou

froofrou — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:44:11 +0000

Out of curiosity, where are you from?

By: April

April — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:38:37 +0000

They died while I was pregnant and we were searching for a faith for our children and to sustain us. He grew up with parents of divergent faiths, neither of whom practiced. Which is why I am empathetic to bigotry against many religions.
Glad that my revelation makes you feel superior.
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Link.
I considered Rastafarianism.

By: froofrou

froofrou — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:36:56 +0000

Yes, because Wikipedia is the fount of all knowledge. Oh, wait a second, you’ve already been outed as a Google/Wiki-Jew. Link under my name, darling. Want to find something better?
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Also, want to back up your claim that Baptists follow the “cloven hoof” rule?

By: April

April — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:32:22 +0000

See? You can’t put links in the body of your post either. Thanks for making my point for me!
If you could, there wouldn’t be any spaces to take out — it would ppear and you wouldn’t worry about it disappearing!
Thanks for the help — the links you requested are coming!
LOL!
LINK!
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Classification of foods
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To prevent the consumption of forbidden mixtures, foods are divided into three categories.
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* meat (Yiddish: fleischig, פליישיג; Hebrew: basari‎, בשרי)
* dairy (Yiddish: milchig, מילכיג; Hebrew: halavi, חלבי)
* parve (or pareve; from the Yiddish word parev (פרווה), meaning neutral)
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Food in the parve category includes fish, fruit, vegetables, salt, non-organic foods, etc.; among the Karaites, Ethiopian Jews and some Persian Jewish communities it also includes poultry, but other Jewish groups consider poultry to count as meat. However, classical Jewish authorities argue that foods would lose their parve status if they are treated in such a way that they absorb the taste of milk or meat during cooking[47], soaking[48][49][50], or salting[51].

By: froofrou

froofrou — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:26:48 +0000

Also, if your husband’s parents died, and he was raised by family, he would have been raised Jewish. Especially if they’re as expert on Judaism as you claim for them to be. You fail again.

By: froofrou

froofrou — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:21:49 +0000

Links work just fine, darling. As I said, there is one under my name.
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Also, you might like this one:

http : //y ourargumentisinvalid. com/ wp-content/uploads/2009/03/this_baloney_is_smiling.jpg
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Take out the spaces, and you have another reason why you’re incorrect.

By: April

April — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:17:39 +0000

My husband’s parents died, which is why we were studying in the first place. I said family, not parents.
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You know very well that links don’t work well here, so I gave plenty of information for someone to look things up themselves. Believe me, I tried to link more than once, and the posts kept disappearing.
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I cited Supreme Court case law regarding people of the Jewish persuasion being categorized byt the Supremes as a race.
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I cited an article regarding the originator of Christian salt, who was anything but a “fundie” (whatever that means) but rather a businessman.
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I provided information about Christians with dietary restrictions.
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I provided the word for “neutral” foods so people can clearly see there are three categories.
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What more can I do, since links are nigh impossible? Did you read the post prior to the one where I cited generations of Jewish traditions?

By: froofrou

froofrou — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:11:31 +0000

Ok, so now your husband is a multi-generational Jew? Wanna go back on your previous statement that you and he are both converts? Which is it, April? You can’t have it both ways.
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The link is under my name. That’s how we cite, dear.

By: April

April — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:05:49 +0000

And one more point.
SA’s statements are taken as fact, despite clear evidence to the contrary.
I am castigated for refuting those statements, and when I anecdotally cite my husband’s multi-generational Jewish family traditions, which are backed up by the very facts I have stated, I am wrong.
It’s amusing, really.
SA, I would like to see you refute anything I stated with fact.
Life is a learning process, and if my aunts-and uncles in law are wrong, please do let me know, so I can point it out and wash fewer dishes. They are, after all, the ones mentor us.

By: froofrou

froofrou — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 04:49:26 +0000

Where are your cites, exactly? As I said, just saying you Goggled something or asked your husband’s parents, is not a cite. Other than that, you haven’t cited anything.

By: April

April — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 04:37:52 +0000

Where did I tell anyone HOW to be Jewish? Point that out.
I said how “I” learned, and nothing else. Did I say SA HAD to live like I do to be considered a Jew? Nope. Just because you’re born into something doesn’t mean you know everything there is to know about it.
Take what SA said at face value, or find out for yourself by doing the research. It’s up to you if you want to remain totally ignorant. I cited sources to back up what I have learned.
And I use Google to answer certain questions because now that we habe the internet there ARE such things as stupid questions.
lol!

By: froofrou

froofrou — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 03:00:02 +0000

So you’re telling a man who is Jewish how to be Jewish because you converted? Oh my dear, wow.
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And “According to my hub’s family” is hardly fact, darling. Not when you’re directing that at someone who, as he’s said, has lived it for 41 years. I wouldn’t exactly consider what you can Google and find on the first link you see to be fact. Wanna try again?

By: April

April — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 02:38:58 +0000

lol!
Let me rephrase. The way I’ve “learned” up to this point includes the categories meat, milk, and neutral, which fish is, according to my hub’s family.
I’ve also used Google to define things and terms I don’t understand.

By: April

April — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 02:27:57 +0000

Fine. Point by point.
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SA spouts: Shall I help you count the fails, since it’s me you decided to go off on to start this whole idiotic gymkhana?
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Let’s go, then, fair enough? And “gymkhana”? Are you kidding? LOL! Synonym FAIL! Try “brouhaha!”
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SA spouts: FAIL. Christians don’t HAVE religiously based dietary restrictions, unless you count the Catholic no meat on Friday thing:
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YOU FAIL. Plenty of Christian faiths have dietary restrictions. Eastern Orthodox Christianity, Roman Catholics, Seventh Day Adventists, Baptists, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, individuals who follows the cloven-hoof prohibition in the Bible, just to name a few.
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SA spouts: FAIL again that you overlooked that point I stated clearly enough.
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YOU FAIL. You said “fundie” and that’s IT. What’s a fundie? Define it. Are the aforementioned faiths fundies? If so, is Judaism fundie? LOL!
“The creator of “Christian Salt” is retired barber Joe Godlewski…one-time Catholic who now holds Bible studies in his home, Godlewski is a longtime entrepreneur. In 1998, he founded a kielbasa sausage business now run by a nephew. In 2000, he introduced the Stretch & Catch, a fishing gizmo that he says was copied and buried by foreign competitors.”
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SA spouts: FAIL. No sect of Judaism I’ve ever heard of makes that distinction. Who does?
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YOU FAIL. Just because you haven’t “heard of” it doesn’t make it false. There are three kinds of Kosher. Many choose to embrace all three, even the “parve” option. Wanna read more about them? Google it. It’s the way I’ve learned up to this point.
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SA spouts: FAIL. Judaism is acknowledged as a protected legal class because it is a minority religion and religion is itself a protected class under US law.
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YOU FAIL. Shaare-Tefila Congregation v. Cobb, No. 85-2156.
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SA spouts: Moreover, the way you fly off the handle and sling insults when challenged without having a factual, reasoned basis for your position – and the way you accuse others of bigotry rather than face your own biases – reminds me very strongly of someone we all know to (FAIL) well. Someone who is the weakest link. Perhaps it’s time to say goodbye.
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Talking to youself, I see.
YOU ARE THE BIGGEST FAIL. GOOD-BYE!
lol

By: slan agat

slan agat — Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:53:03 +0000

Google is apparently your friend, dearie, because that appears to be your source of knowledge for Jewish life in America, as opposed to the 41 years of living it I’m speaking from.

Goodbye.

By: April

April — Thu, 09 Apr 2009 02:39:48 +0000

Thank you, Uncle Fester. EOB for all, was my original point.
And slan agent, there is so much wrong with you point by point assesment of your definition of my fail I can only shake my head and say:
Google is your friend, bigoted poster. And lol!

By: Uncle Fester

Uncle Fester — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 21:14:15 +0000

But the troll only had one brain cell and it healed up.
And so we all lived happily ever after…

By: Uncle Fester

Uncle Fester — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 21:11:37 +0000

Equal Opportunity Bigot Notice
A pox on all the cults of Abraham, and all the other gods are bastards too…
End of Equal Opportunity Bigot Notice

By: dissimilitude

dissimilitude — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 20:38:37 +0000

SB, what are you doing feeding a baby salt?

By: suicide_blonde

suicide_blonde — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 20:32:51 +0000

Kosher salt makes Baby Jesus sad.

By: slan agat

slan agat — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 19:54:25 +0000

Note to our fans playing along at home: WordPress does not recognize the unnumbered list HTML tags. The fails should have been bullet pointed above so the wall of text would be broken up a bit. Sorry.

By: slan agat

slan agat — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 19:51:39 +0000

Shall I help you count the fails, since it’s me you decided to go off on to start this whole idiotic gymkhana?

“Christians can’t have the equivalent [of kashrut] without being considered racists.” FAIL. Christians don’t HAVE religiously based dietary restrictions, unless you count the Catholic no meat on Friday thing (apparently fish isn’t meat to them), which didn’t enter the discussion. What did enter the discussion was the Hebrew word in the name of a type of salt, which is not actually any different from any other coarse grain salt, and certain fundamentalists having issues with the salt box referring to a religion not their own. Yes, I do think making that kind of fuss over the word kosher on the salt box, when the salt itself is no different from any other salt and in no way transgressive of Christian rules is a bigoted and silly position for fundamentalists to take. Apropos,
Fundamentalists does not include all Christians, only the ones who have taken certain extreme positions, FAIL again that you overlooked that point I stated clearly enough, and by the way,
You claim to know so much about kashrut but you think fish is its own category? FAIL. No sect of Judaism I’ve ever heard of makes that distinction. Who does? Catholics, who allow fish on traditionally meatless Fridays.
US law defining Judaism as a race? FAIL. Judaism is acknowledged as a protected legal class because it is a minority religion and religion is itself a protected class under US law.

Moreover, the way you fly off the handle and sling insults when challenged without having a factual, reasoned basis for your position – and the way you accuse others of bigotry rather than face your own biases – reminds me very strongly of someone we all know to well. Someone who is the weakest link.

Perhaps it’s time to say goodbye.

By: dissimilitude

dissimilitude — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:59:37 +0000

Whoa….something we can agree on, Fester. I tried reading those as a kid and never got into them at ALL even though fantasy/adventure stuff was a big favorite of mine. I think the theology part of it went over my head at that point, but the kids were So. Effing. Annoying. Gah!

By: Uncle Fester

Uncle Fester — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:48:10 +0000

Oh, it’s more than ‘not care for’, I regard them as a waste of trees…

By: Uncle Fester

Uncle Fester — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:47:19 +0000

I loathed it as a child, and it’s got no better with time… Heavy handed bull crap by one of the worst ‘theologians’ ever…
If he was honest in his ‘non-fiction’ titles, we’d have ‘Why Worship God, When He’s a Nasty Bastard’… I’ve seen little scholarship beyond the crap you’d get at a Baptist ‘University’ in any of his work…

By: Uncle Fester

Uncle Fester — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:39:50 +0000

The Supremes defined them as a race, not a protected status.

What bearing does a 1960s black girl vocal trio have?

By: April

April — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 06:53:32 +0000

I disagree with you = I’m crazy, I’m footwear (which I now know means yhou think I am someone you dislike), I’m not the “winner.”
Fine. All your prostrations and assertions don’t make me any less correct, or the statement any less bigoted/racist/ignorant, which is perfectly fine with me.
Unless it was meant as sarcasm, in which case this whole discussion has been an exercise in futility.
lol!

By: April

April — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 06:37:35 +0000

I didn’t call anyone a bigot, so no, I don’t care to retract anything.
Apparently you can’t recognize sarcasm.
Care to see my tiechel?
LOL!

By: April

April — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 06:31:55 +0000

I STARTED it? You’re joking, right?
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But because it’s had (gasp! horrors!) rabbis supervising its production, its been tainted by Teh Jewish, which is like Teh Gay but slightly less contagious and less socially acceptable to recoil in horror from openly. So I guess some born-again fundie types felt the need to produce their own yummy pretzel salt that didn’t have icky Jew cooties.
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Oh, I see it now: there’s NO sweeping “Christians = teh crazy = the racists = teh bigots = teh haters” judgement there. My bad!

By: froofrou

froofrou — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 06:27:52 +0000

Jews gotta have their food prepared Kosher, which is wOOt great and we have to understand, and be tolerant, and embrace their decision.Christians, however, can’t have the equivalent without being considered racists. - Christians and Catholics deserve your constant ridicule, and Jews, who originated the faith from which both sprang don’t. WTF? They all worship the same dead guy in the sky.

- Care to retract your calling someone else a bigot?

By: April

April — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 06:23:13 +0000

And I’ll reply again.
Where am I poking fun? Where did I say anything nasty, or intolerant, or bigoted? Where did I do anything but say the same standard should apply to all? Hmmmm?
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For your information, I only called one person “racist” for the way that person was addressing me. I never called the original commenter anything. I said the statement portrayed Christians as racist/bigot/ignorant.
Read the thread.

By: froofrou

froofrou — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 06:08:03 +0000

You never answered my question, so I’ll ask it again:
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“You started this whole thing off by poking fun at the Jews, then you claimed to be against bigotry. Which is it? Are you upset that you were called out as the bigot you are, and your only defense is to start slinging the name “bigot” around at everyone else you see?”

By: April

April — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 06:04:02 +0000

LOL! For sure.
I loathe food rules, and especially find the requirement of three sets of dishes and utensils to keep things uncontaminated frivolous.
Meat, and milk, and fish, and this goes here and there, and that item can’t be in the kitchen, and this ingredient is a colorant made from the wrong fishey thing…it’s like being a kid whose peas can’t touch his potatoes.
The things we do for love…

By: froofrou

froofrou — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 05:53:58 +0000

…which is wOOt great and we have to understand, and be tolerant, and embrace their decision.

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Don’t look now: your snide is showing.

By: April

April — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 05:41:46 +0000

Wow. There’s a double standard.
Jews gotta have their food prepared Kosher, which is wOOt great and we have to understand, and be tolerant, and embrace their decision.
Christians, however, can’t have the equivalent without being considered racists.
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Christians and Catholics deserve your constant ridicule, and Jews, who originated the faith from which both sprang don’t.
WTF? They all worship the same dead guy in the sky.
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This is what I said. Where am I poking fun? Where did I say anything nasty, or intolerant, or bigoted? Where did I do anything but say the same standard should apply to all? Hmmmm?

By: froofrou

froofrou — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 05:34:54 +0000

You started this whole thing off by poking fun at the Jews, then you claimed to be against bigotry. Which is it? Are you upset that you were called out as the bigot you are, and your only defense is to start slinging the name “bigot” around at everyone else you see?

By: April

April — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 05:27:10 +0000

Let me rephrase, so it is more obviously hypothetical.
Therefore, if Christians (or anyone) made derogatory statements against them in the commission of a crime, it would be a hate crime and prosecutable under current law.
See? Protected status = elevation of crime from just your standard run of the mill mugging to a hate crime. If you assaulted me, because I’m Jewish, you’d do more time.
Got it now?