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Not quite Hell. Ninth circle, maybe, but you can’t get chocolate and beer in hell, or so I hear.
Hell? not really.
If you love this kind of humor….gotta go check out Yakkering.com
No, no. My In-laws generally have plenty of both on hand at their house…
Am I missing something?
I don’t see a cooler full of frosty cold ones in that photo…if the distance to the nearest refrigerator is measured in MILES, I’ll not be planning a vacation there anytime soon.
You’re not missing anything. My kids send care packages for their school charity-fundraisers (don’t freak out — it’s not public) with M&Ms, beef jerky, Chex Mix, nuts, and other goodies, and I read recently where troops were rationed beer for the Super Bowl. Stuff like that never really happened in previous wars/engagements with the kind of organization and regularity it does now.
I’m not passing judgment, just making an observation.
Link.
I bet the M&Ms melted…
ROFL! Nope. They were peanut and almond.
Good planning!
They have a thin candy shell, I’m surprised you didn’t know that.
If hot enough, that will melt, too!
I’m sensing a new “Mythbusters” episode here…
In bed, with a chocolate coating…
In bed with a chocolate candy sheath!
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Sort of like trolldujour …
Yea, I’m sweet like candy.
I tell Lynn that I prefer to melt in the mouth, not in the hand…
Who wouldn’t? lol!
I think if a man can be considered a “hot mess,” it’d be you, D.
*hugs*
Flattery will get you everywhere, my dear.
Eh, you’re just a wolf in chocolate clothing.
Mmm, chocolate.
NOMNOMNOMNOMNOM…
I do know that, but it’s the chocolate type that the kids were told keeps the best.
That candy shell is made with Carnuba wax which melts at about 98 degrees F, which why they melt in your mouth and not in your hand (unless it is over 98 degrees where your hand is and then they’ll melt all the hell all over).
in other words, Iraq in the summer.
Or Iraq in the winter, during the day.
They were actually first developed for military rations. The whole “melt in your mouth, not in your hands” kept the chocolate off of your weapons. We still get them in our MRE’s.
Gotta have something in exchange for dying and baking in the blazing sun, eh?
Wow, I’ve gotten cynical…
Would you prefer no one bothered?
They are, after all, just “doing the job they signed up to do.”
When it’s just protecting commercial interests of the family and friends of the then President, then hell, I’d have preferred no one bothered…
Citation please.
See link, for example.
“The good Lord didn’t see fit to put oil and gas only where there are democratic regimes friendly to the United States” – Richard Cheney
Oil and gas benefits the entire world, not just the oil companies, if it wasn’t Halliburton it would be some other company. We need the oil and gas or not only our economy, but the world economy just starting to arise (China,India) would crumble. Petroleum is in just about everything we use, not just gas for heating and transportation. Keeping the supply flowing at this point in time in a safe and stable environment is good for everyone, not just the “friends of the President”. Could this have been established without war? I don’t know… AlQuada definitely has/had a presence in Iraq. I do hope that Obama’s plans to get us off oil will somehow work…
I echo what you’re saying about our oil-dependency. However; I still think our original intention in Iraq had more to do with Bush wanting to get Saddam for his dad and Cheney being a greedy warmonger than “WMD” and al Qaeda connections…
I’m with you MG. The Al Qaeda in Iraq link didn’t happen until after the US barged in with no plan for what to do next. We created a wonderful environment for Al Qaeda in Iraq to train terrorists who might otherwise never have been a threat. It was clear to most thinking persons that there was no real WMD threat in Iraq.
Eh. So your rebuttal is that everyone needs oil and gas? And that if it isn’t one greedy company/profiteering slime bucket VP, it’ll be another one? Cheney would simply be replaced by someone equally sleazy? Interesting … so I guess if us “developed” folks benefit, then hell yeah let’s go to war. Oh, and throwing the old asinine Bin Laden argument in there at the end was just, I don’t know, weird.
Not only do we need oil and gas, many would die without it they way our world is structured now. I wish it was different.
Okay, and how does that justify illegal occupation of Iraq?
I mean, do you see those thousands of deaths as necessary because, well, we need oil? And life is, therefore, well, less important? Maybe you should watch “The Fog of War,” in which McNamara discusses his list of eleven lessons learned from the Vietnam War:
1. We misjudged then — and we have since — the geopolitical intentions of our adversaries … and we exaggerated the dangers to the United States of their actions.
2. We viewed the people and leaders of South Vietnam in terms of our own experience … We totally misjudged the political forces within the country.
3. We underestimated the power of nationalism to motivate a people to fight and die for their beliefs and values.
4. Our judgments of friend and foe, alike, reflected our profound ignorance of the history, culture, and politics of the people in the area, and the personalities and habits of their leaders.
5. We failed then — and have since — to recognize the limitations of modern, high-technology military equipment, forces, and doctrine.
6. We failed, as well, to adapt our military tactics to the task of winning the hearts and minds of people from a totally different culture.
7. We failed to draw Congress and the American people into a full and frank discussion and debate of the pros and cons of a large-scale military involvement … before we initiated the action.
8. After the action got under way, and unanticipated events forced us off our planned course … we did not fully explain what was happening, and why we were doing what we did.
9. We did not recognize that neither our people nor our leaders are omniscient. Our judgement of what is in another people’s or country’s best interest should be put to the test of open discussion in international forums. We do not have the God-given right to shape every nation in our image or as we choose.
10. We did not hold to the principle that U.S. military action … should be carried out only in conjunction with multinational forces supported fully (and not merely cosmetically) by the international community.
11. We failed to recognize that in international affairs, as in other aspects of life, there may be problems for which there are no immediate solutions … At times, we may have to live with an imperfect, untidy world.
Oh had Bush & et al learned these lessons …
We are hardly “occupying” Iraq. They have their own elected government. Also, we did defeat the insurgency and will be pulling out, thanks to the Bush Admin. But we will always have a presence there. Obama has already stated that. The thousands of deaths would have turned into hundreds of thousands if the Islamists have their way.
The extremists will rule the world if we don’t kill ‘em first!
It’s the way it’s always been, good against evil.
No, it does not come down to good against evil. Do you *try* to make people cry Uncle by being so dense?
But Good and Evil don’t really exist. Bin Laden isn’t cackling in his lair before kicking a kitten. He thinks he is right. He may be a sociopath but he thinks he is right.
Life is shades of gray, not black and white, nor will it ever be. Sure, some people can conform to a black or white stereotype but realistically, Good and Evil are just terms that make people think they have a grasp on reality.
The majority of the USA and European line of thinking is that Muslim extremism is exceptionally dangerous because of the devaluation of life and the uncompromising nature to which they approach their goals.
However, from their point of view, we are a decadent culture, etc, etc, blah blah.
The truth is that both are true. We are decadent and with a horrible sense of entitlement. However, they are also dangerous because they devalue life and are completely uncompromising in their idea that all MUST conform or die. They feel threatened and thus act.
So by our sense of things, they are evil and by theirs, we are evil.
So no, Good and Evil are too subjective to exist as absolutes.
I can justify what is right and wrong until I lose feeling in my extremities and go hoarse from preaching and it still wouldn’t change that.
Knocking on the door to a vacant house, D.
Daddy george told him we gotta kill the bad guys.
End of discussion.
Well, dearest Pittypat, I still have to try.
Ok, lets see, on one hand we are decadent and yet we live and let live, promote individual freedom and right to life and liberty. One the other hand, they want to enslave women, kill homosexuals and jail men for growing beards… Not to mention blowing us up until we allow them to rule us and save us from our decadence. Which one is evil… hmmm…
So.. that was Iraq’s motivation? Can you cite that troll? After all, you’re the troll here… long on noise, short on stuff that actually makes ‘sense’… so prove me wrong and cite…
AlQuada definitely has/had a presence in Iraq.
Wait, WHAT?!?
Are you still trying to peddle that outright lie that Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11?
It has been exhaustively proven that Al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia DID NOT EXIST until after the US invasion.
Pre-invasion, there was an AQ branch up in northern Iraq, in the no-fly zone that Saddam didn’t control.
The government of Iraq had no apparent contact with them.
Nevertheless, they did exist.
Sources please. Include any basis you wish to claim for this alleged branch’s connection to 9/11.
I am damn sick of people taking Dick Cheney at face value when he’s been rebutted and debunked to hell and back.
I tried to post a link, it appears to have been deleted.
Just check out the Wiki article on Ansar al-Islam.
And keep in mind that I am NOT saying that Hussein had anything to do with 9-11. That was a load of crap. If anything, Ansar al-Islam and Hussein were opponents.
But exist they did, and that’s a fact.
You can’t cite Wiki, it’s a user submitted forum. Do you have an idea how often people post incorrect, uncited, and out and out wrong information on Wikipedia?
That’s why you check the citations at the bottom. If there is no citations, don’t bother reading it. If it is well cited, then it is still legit.
Among others, the Human Rights Watch link, at the bottom of the page, is more helpful than the wiki article itself.
just to keep the argument going, here’s a globalsecurity website covering what he was too lazy to look up (up on the clicky thing, i thin).
make your own decisions, i’m only here as a passing through instigator.
Troll asking for a citation?
LOL
You’re the biggest troll on here and you do. LOL.
I’m only a troll in your diseased mind, arse… and Deathwurmnexus, but he’s a pathetic underachiever who only gets over his general lack of worth in his pathetic relationship…
You seem to just play victim…
I could say the same things to you. But, you bore me.
If there’ s one thing Fester is *not* …
(and you so know it you faker)
QED
Loud, ill informed, stupid, nasty…
The Troll hits all .
Define troll? He posts obnoxious insults about every other post. All he is interested in is stirring up trouble. Maybe he’s cranky, I don’t know, but he is more like a troll than anyone on here.
“Loud, ill informed, stupid, nasty…” Now, don’t be so hard on yourself Fester…
Ah, the great ‘I know what I am but what are you’ of the moron. Not only dumb, but unoriginal too…
No stupid, it goes “I know you are but what am I?” Try to get your insults right please?
Fester: Nope, I don’t even get over it there. I just tend to forget it for a while in intervals of random length.
Fair enough…
Just would hate for you to think that I forget where I stand in the grand scheme of things or even the not so grand scheme of things.
yeah, except for that whole beer in the rear in vietnam. the ‘liberated’ wine in ww1 and ww2…
pretty much the only time the troops didn’t get anything was when they were in korea…
I’m very aware of the situation regarding “rations” in Vietnam.
I’m addressing solicited and sanctioned chocolates & beers.
Called ‘moving the goal posts’
actually, your wrong. troops in vietnam and previous wars used to be rationed beer and cigarettes as part of their standard rations
Again, I wasn’t talking about rations. Sigh.
No worries though, mate.
Considering that those are marines and Marines opperate out mostly out of FOBs (forward operations base) which have generators, theoretically a cold one would only be a few feet away in the chow hall. of course in army and airforces bases even fast food gets set up, so while maybe not vacation, hell is certainly a bit extreme
Cinematic dialogue, respectful of the troops, timely, check check check. Slightly jingoistic, somewhat overblown machismo, check check. I give it an A-
Accurate, concise, hilarious, check check check. PM FTW.
My, you’re in a generous mood today.
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I’ll give this one a D+ for its utter lack of creativity, cleverness and edginess.
I should mention, I served a tour in Iraq, and It really wasn’t hell. Now, WWII or the trench warfare of WWI could be likened to hell on miserable living conditions, undetermined deployment duration and life expectancy.
Thank you for serving our country.
Ditto
Shame it Iraq really wasn’t ‘serving America, just some greedy SOB’s Oedipal wet dream.
I understand what you’re saying unc; but, the soldier goes where he’s ordered…so, regardless of the motives, I still thank them for serving…I don’t want either of my sons to ever have to go off to war, and even though I didn’t (and don’t) support the war in Iraq, and hate the thought of war in general, I do appreciate those who go over and serve…
Did I say I didn’t appreciate that he chose to be part of your insane, trigger happy army? Lost too many people a I know to US ordnance to ever be much impressed with the ‘Be all you can be’ generation…
Perhaps you should have stepped in front of one of them.
That’s not true Unc, the Army hasn’t used Be All You Can Be in over ten years! They’d either be the Army of One generation or most recently Army Strong generation.
Stay classy, Fester.
Like you’d know class if it bit you… Generally I ignore you, black Falg, since you’re beneath contempt… don’t attract my attention while stealing you work’s bandwidth…
So high and mighty for such a virulent bigot. I guess you just couldn’t stay away, huh? Isn’t there a homophobe convention you should be wide-stancing at?
That would require him to be a homophobe… Seriously, you can do better.
Either you haven’t read his ravings — can’t say I blame you — or you’re too scared of getting flamed by the troll to stand up to him — in which case you’re just an enabling coward.
Or you’re a moron who can’t get his insults straight. I have no issue calling Fester what he needs to be called, be it a jackass or simply playing the role of bitter old man who enjoyed life but realizes how much is gone now etc etc. To be quite honest, I have no issue, none at all with yelling at Fester. As a matter of fact, I have done all my yelling in the lovely nebulous past as well as my yelling at others.
I am going to present the same amount of proof you are in your claim and be settled. If you lack the mental fortitude to look it up, please continue to be an anally bothered halfwit.
And no, I am not going back through months of lolz just to satisfy your citation request when you can’t be bothered to even go back to find a citation of your own.
Predicting your reaction, I will state that You usually front the idea of people doing for themselves, so find the citations and bugger off.
Oh, I forgot — only you and your PK “friends” are entitled to that particular non-defense. My mistake.
I’ll be more than happy to offer a public and lengthy apology the minute I see you stand up to Fester’s bigotry.
When he actually is bigotted against homosexuals, I will. He has railed me for the BDSM relationship I am in with Lynn but not a damn word against the gays.
If anything, you can see the proof of your folly in ANY of the gay themed Lols where twits decide to bash them.
It isn’t hard, they are some of the biggest damn comment threads here and Ctrl F is a lovely function.
Fester, the righteous and eloquent defender of tolerance. Riiiiiight…
Noooo, he is a defender of gays. Tolerance infers that he tolerates everything, which he doesn’t. Hell, I can’t even call myself a champion of tolerance since there is plenty I don’t tolerate.
Laughable at best…but sure, whatever you say…
Do you actually read what people are saying? Or do you just cut-and-paste from your own internal diatribe regardless?
Have you actually read the threads we’re talking about? Or are you just showing up and making noise?
Then it is simple Dhoti, cite just once where Fester proved himself to be a homophobe and I will go back and find where I have argued with Fester. It will be a bit lengthy but not outside possibility, I’ve called him a troll more than once.
Do you respond to everything with a question? Or are you just trying to provoke me into an asinine and pointless exchange?
@dwn: Like I’ve said before, multiple times, go read the most recent Catholic lols. (The “pope class seating” one was recent and a fairly good example, and like you said, Ctrl F is a lovely function.) Fester clearly associates homosexuality with pedophilia and sexual abuse.
@purple: Sleep now.
Um, no, he associates pedophilia and sexual abuse with the Catholic church. He didn’t even infer that homosexuals were the same as pedophiles.
We’ve played this game before.
I’m not a fan of sitting about watching a decent person waste time with assholes. But that’s insulting to DWN, so apologies there. If he sees something other than a write-off in you, I’m truly impressed by his chartiable nature.
dwn, I’m shocked — shocked! — that your mind isn’t open on that point.
Aww, so cute! I think Fester might have just found himself a purple sock…
Anytime we have a lol about gay rights Uncle Fester has always been one of the most vocal supporter of said rights. That’s pretty much common knowledge.
Nah, be impressed by my mostly idiotic desire to comprehend the way people think and either compromise with them or show them their errors.
Most of the time, I just find out that I am either wasting my time or dead wrong but I do have the fleeting moment of connection from time to time and as a wannabe writer, I crave that connection.
Funny how that “common knowledge” is both nowhere to be seen and completely out of character. Believe whatever you want — as a wannabe writer, I suppose you should encourage your imagination — but remember where appeasement usually ends up.
Fools.
Vietnam wasn’t exactly a cake walk either. If you were on patrol your life expectancy was minimal since you really didn’t know who was friend and who was foe. At least in WWI and WWII the enemy generally wore uniforms.
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And to reiterate what the other’s said, thanks for serving.. Ooooooooooo-rah!
Hell? That’s a bit harsh.
It’s just like going to the beach, warm sun, white sand, the only thing missing is the water and bikinis….ok, it IS Hell. I stand corrected.
Hell for a Democrat. Imagine being surrounded by patriotic Americans all of the time, most of whom vote Republican. Plus you’re fighting in a war which Michael Moore says was started for Big Oil.
Do you troll here often?
What’s a nice troll like you doing in a place like this?
Being a loud Republican Muppet…
No need to insult Muppets, most of them are quite likeable, Kermit, Yoda, even Oscar the Grouch is more fun than this guy…
That must be why Janet Noplan-atano is targeting our own military vets as potential terrorist threats…
Asswipe, that report was a WARNING to the VA and our veterans’ organizations that if we don’t treat our veterans right – if we treat them the way Bushco treated them, for instance, denying benefits, medical treatment and assistance at every turn – they could be particularly vulnerable to the blandishments of the lunatic fringe. Spend a couple years fighting for your life and come back to a bureaucracy that presumes you’re a liar and a cheat, you might well give a second listen to anyone who wants to play up to your need for control and respect.
It’s a simple fact that the extremist organizations have been targeting returning vets for recruitment, playing on their sense of alienation from a society that claims to care about them but doesn’t DO the square root of Jack Buggerall for them. That report – which was started during the Bushco administration and only got finishing touches from the current admin – shamelessly documented the fact.
Well said and Thank you. I’ve been trying to argue this point with my neighbors and coworkers since that report came out. It’s not that any group is being targeted for investigation…it’s a simple warning that we may be creating more “Timothy McVeigh”-types by the poor treatment our vets are receiving…
So, the government was warning, itself… I see. It wasn’t an attempt to target dissent against the Obama administration? Are any of these organizations named? It’s stupid to think that someone who fought for his country, not his government, would come back and be convinced to do harm to his country. Are there any actual instances of this atually happening? I think the DHS would be better off looking at Islamic terror cells in our country.
Well, Timothy McVeigh was a Gulf War vet.
[Link]
Trauma can trigger people to do a great deal of harm …
Sorry, wrong link – check this one.
@ Bill–thanks for serving.
@ trolldujour–A marine was just arrested yesterday in Boston for flying from Las Vegas with an undeclared gun, ammo, a loaded gun magazine, military fuses, a grenade detonator and other scary stuff in his bag. They only caught him because his luggage got miss-directed and had to be re-screened. So ‘splain to me why this gentleman was carrying enough stuff to start a small war, none of it declared, if he was on the path of goodness and light?
I respect those who serve. However, they are as human as those who do not–and humans have the capability to develop weird brain functioning such as Timothy McVeigh…
The worst monsters are the ones we create in the flesh of our own brothers and sisters for they know us best and where the kitchen knives are hidden.
Well worded.
Our troops need so much more help (especially mentally upon returning home) than they’re getting… and most of them know more about how to harm us than we know ourselves.
PTSD is a killer. Of others and of selves. And the military (not particularly the people in it) has a pretty harsh stance against treating it, basically inferring that anyone who thinks they need help for PTSD is a cry baby.
I’ve had more friends kill themselves/others after coming home from the war than die over there (and I’m former army, dating a marine, i know a LOT of military people)
Thank you. While I am not a military man myself, I am from military stock and thus have a proper affection for those that would die in my stead.
I also have the selfish self preservationist thinking too. If I want trained killers, I want them happy so they are less likely to stab me to relieve boredom. I never understood why that doesn’t seem logical to those actually training the military and then receiving them when they get home.
Sure, the humane thing is to respect them and treat them well but even the selfish thing is to treat them well to contain the danger you’ve created. I do hate shortsightedness.
Besides, a resource neglected is a resource for your enemies, be they within or without. And… I’ll stop sounding like a bad fortune cookie starting… Now.
My father was in special forces and I agree. i watched when he came back from Dessert storm and Iraq and he was all kinds of f-cked up. Sometimes he would just stare off into space or he would go to the gun ranges just to ‘think’. It was a little scary there for a bit, but my stepmother made him go to counseling. He’s a lot better but yes, PTSD is a horrible thing. It turns someone from happy go lucky into a depressed and angst ridden mess.
I can see how they would find a foothold in those returning from service. My father, and brother and uncle etc, are having a hard time getting their deserved health insurance and benefits, and I’m having a hard time wrestling my financial aid since he served forty years. I think we need to be more accepting that yes, things happened to them, yes, they need to be looked after, and yes they do know how to kill you about a hundred different ways with their bare hands.
I’m gonna stop rambling. I get very passionate about the vets.
We don’t know enough about that marine yet, he didn’t declare what was in his luggage, then there was a failure on the part of the airlines to properly screen his luggage, then miraculously it was screened at another stop instead. Time will tell what this incident is all about.
There totally was a failure by the TSA in Las Vegas. Big time! But the Marine in question is not a brand-new puppy, so he certainly should have known for a long time now about the proper transportation of weapons/explosives/etc. I’m not saying that he is a native-born terrorist…but something is certainly NOT right in this situation!
Yes, I agree something is very wrong with this one, I just don’t tend to suspect our military or vets first, I would rather wait and see what he has to say and what the investigation turns up.
Oh, please… Do you really think that once you’ve just killed all that breathes, it really just goes away for everyone? The trained ones are the most dangerous. They always were.
Not to annoy the gun lovers but what does anybody going through an airport need a detonator or few for?
Especially when you throw in trauma and lack of aftercare.
No-one here is devaluing what those who serve give. They’re trying to say that it’s a hell of a tough job, and after the fact care is needed to help people who get the worst of it.
Right? People are brainwashed into believing that you can go through that kind of hell, (and yes hell *is* the right term), and then resume normalcy.
Of course, Pittypat! It is like G.I. Joe where over two thousand rounds, which were beams of light not bullets, could be exchanged like STDs in an orgy but nobody would even get winged!
I had a job once that required watching all episodes of the A-Team, and counting all the deaths in several shoot-em-up movies. It made me super popular with 12 year old boys. Come to think of it, I’m still kind of popular with 12 year old boys. Hmm, maybe it’s me.
Pittypat’s Milkshake brings all the boys to the yard…
Wait, what the hell job required that?
Pat, you’re plenty popular with the older ones too.
The A-Team was awesome!
One of a bunch of odd jobs I scrounged up to fund gradual school… It was for a lawsuit that I can’t discuss (oops too late). Anyway, it was kinda fun.
Oh and p.s., thanks P.S.!
Damn, I miss out on all the quirky fun jobs…
it runs in the vein of.. don’t give the people you’ve trained to kill a reason to hate their own country.
a larger response from the government to the needs of the soldiers following their tours of duties is needed, you can’t send someone out to a danger zone, see them get wounded, then ignore their needs they come back. actually, that goes for those wounded or not – they’re our defenders, they should be treated with the utmost respect for what they’ve done for our country. such respect for them would probably eleviate what was said in the report from being there but, under the Bush Admin. you had the pres. pushing for them to go to war, but without all the proper gear, not to mention the shabby conditions of the health care they got following that, if they did. One of the biggest issues that’s been in the news recently was their lack of awareness or willingness to accept the legitimatcy of PTS.
i’m going to go back to eating my lunch now.
“It’s stupid to think that”
Could we go over that part one more time for clarity? Who’s the stupid one?
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Well done diss, and mothergoose had already mentioned his name too. Apparently trolldujour is too young to remember Oklahoma City.
That’s right, idiot. It was an intelligence assessment, that means it was an INTERNAL document. I’m interested in knowing who gave it to the press with no explanation, and why.
And yes, you’re damn right there is an actual instance of this actually happening. [LINK]
And if people think McVeigh was a one-of, they are sadly mistaken.
Where are the others? They are not anywhere near the threat that Islamist terror cells are in this country. Of course, we aren’t allowed to talk about them anymore, give them time to regroup.
One has to wait for the ones we trained (UK and US) to die….
Well, as far as mistreating the veterans, Obama was the one who very recently said he would like them to start paying for their own medical care, and thanks for serving.
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Where that has gone in the last little bit, I’m not sure, but it was said.
The report was ordered by the Bush administration and conducted by Bush appointees. How exactly does that make it an evil Obama plot?
cheers, slan. nicely put
I could have done without the “ass-wipe” comment. I wouldn’t call you names slan.
When you use a stupid wingnut nickname for someone you know zero about, make blatantly false fascist-baiting accusations based on fact-starved reactionary talking points and generally spew spurious flame-bait attacks without basis in reality, you earn the appellation. Wear it with pride.
No, you can call someone fascist-baiting and fact starved, I can respect that and all the others, but when you resort to potty mouth names you lose credibility. I know plenty about the ex governor of AZ. I didn’t say anything nasty about her, just don’t like her politics.
Oh please… stop playing the victim… you’re an asswipe in Slan the rabid zionist’s opinion. DEAL!
Why don’t you DEAL? I can argue with whomever I want about whatever I want. You’re just a buzzing knat, get lost.
I’m the one who buzzes here, he’s the one who lights light bulbs with his mouth. get the names right.
A new sock? cool…
i have no socks! got flip flops on all 6 feets.
or by sock you mean i’m being manipulated and/or created by another entity, then… i think no? i guess that depends, though, on your view of the world – i think i’m a creation of the natural order of events that occured up to this point but i suppose you could believe that i was an imaginary creation, originally created by another and through some bizarre means was given digital life and am slowly corrupting and dominating your comptuers in a most sneaky and malicious way..
** computer even…
He thinks you disagree with him and/or are insulting him. When he finds out you are non-threatening to him and his world view you will not be a sock anymore. Oh, and make sure you spell everything right, he can misspell, but you can’t.
also.. adam’s family reference perhaps fail?
Is a buzzing knat something like a gnarden knome?
GNAT! The word is gnat… moron.
Maybe I meant flea, it was something small and annoying that’s all…
knat? gnat?
or do you mean to make a loose connection to the kkk? that would technically be spelled KKKnat, and since unc isn’t American, that is one heck of a big FAIL! last time i read the by-laws, foreigners weren’t welcome unless they were that nights ‘attraction’…
Rabid? I resent that, Fester – I’ve had all my shots!
You’ve earned it Troll, suck it up…
Actually, the report said that there WASN’T any eviodence that anybody was recruiting vets into extremist organizations.
Only that it COULD happen.
Of course, one of the other things that it mentioned was that the threat of efforts by this administration to increase restrictions on private ownership of guns had already increased stockpiling of weapons (both by radical groups and by law-abiding collectors and enthusiasts), and could lead to further radicalization.
(In other words, gun prohibition doesn’t work and will only increase the threat of domestic terrorism)
Anyway, the report on the Left Wing terror organizations, which detailed actual, non-theoretical plans, which was released a few months earlier, was FAR more interesting and informative.
And yet, you don’t hear Democrats charging to the barricades to defend against the merest possibility that anyone would attribute the left lunatic fringe’s ideals, goals and methods to the mainstream Democratic party.
So why do the Republicans claim that when the administration looks askance at the right wing lunatic fringe, they want to ZOMG ban all dissent!!1!1!eleventy!!
“So why do the Republicans claim that when the administration looks askance at the right wing lunatic fringe, they want to ZOMG ban all dissent!”
projection? justification for wanting to do the same thing if the positions were reversed? oh wait, wasn’t that the ‘patriot act’?
Given the pitch and volume of eliminationist rhetoric coming out of talk radio and Right Blogsylvania in the last decade, I believe you may be on to something.
the verbal diarrea (sp?) that talk radio and the right side has been spewing everywhere is just the same old tripe regurgitated over and over, only the names are changed from one electoral period to the next. my mother started listening to talk radio at least 40 yrs ago… the only thing besides the names that changed has been the level of vitriol. these wastes of airspace cut their teeth on watergate and denying nixon and his cronies could ever do anything wrong. and they continued extolling the virtues of those involved all the way to the prison doors…. bad case of denial — denial over ever having gotten caught, let alone wrong or that their actions were illegal!
Ford pardoned Nixon. Rumsfeld was a key Nixon aide and Cheney was an aide to Rumsfeld, deciding the main thing Nixon did wrong was get caught.
The Democrats in Congress opted not to impeach Reagan for the Iran/Contra mess despite clear illegality. Cheney was right in the belly of the policy-making beast, deciding the main thing Reagan and North did wrong was get caught, and even that wasn’t too too bad.
Now here we are, and Cheney’s decided the main thing he did wrong was…absolutely fvcking nothing.
ENOUGH.
This time, a smirking arsehole needs to dance Danny Deever.
Drooling paranoia seems to be logical
And commonplace.
Or have those of us with short attention spans already forgotten when “ZOMG Bush is gonna declare martial law and stay in office as Dictator!!!1ONE!!!1!” (along with “Bush will declare war with Iran and Syris within a couple months!!!ONE!” ) was making the rounds of the interwebs?
I haven’t.
Of course, I also remember when they were saying the same thing about Clinton, et cetera ad nauseum.
Same old whore, just different make up. Still she is passed around, doing the same tricks. The internet never changes and always pays for more of the same. Just another dance with that tired old whore, but in different make up.
“”"”"And yet, you don’t hear Democrats charging to the barricades to defend against the merest possibility that anyone would attribute the left lunatic fringe’s ideals, goals and methods to the mainstream Democratic party. “”"”"
This board is all the evidence anybody needs to refute that particular claim. Democrats react like a “moderate Muslim” shown a picture of Mohammed with a bomb in his turban, if anybody implies that the leftie wackjobs speak for the rest of the Democrats… or that some Democrats are secretly Leftie wackjobs.
I know it, you know it. Why would you make a post that’s so obviously, blatantly untrue?
Twit! You’ve completely missed the point. Or are you just another dishonest dipshit?
Of course people are going to be upset if you call them “whackjobs”, just as I hope I’ve upset you by calling you a dipshit.
The issue is that Democrats and other liberals can tell the difference between the far-left fringe and their own positions, whereas Republicans feel honour-bound to defend all right-wing positions, no matter how extreme, against any sort of criticism.
You’re talking about the reaction that comes when people explicitly claim that all of the Left follows the views of people like Ward Churchill, which is incorrect, unfair and slanderous, so one would bloody-well expect people to react negatively to such a stereotype.
Speaking as a Republican, you’re wrong. We do not defend all forms of extremism. I point to the Fred Phelps’ Klan as an example. Just because there are some elements of being a Conservative or being a Republican that you personally find extreme doesn’t mean that it is extreme to everyone (example: normal religion can look extremist to someone with a frame of reference far removed). The kook fringe exists on both sides. Conservatives just tend to shun as opposed to vehemently rail against.
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I think your brush is a little broad when describing both sides here. Care to narrow it down a bit?
I apologise: I took slan agat’s initial post at face value. My post was more about slaggingham’s failure to debate properly (either through incomprehension or outright dishonesty) than about defending the contentious viewpoint. So I didn’t examine the statement properly, and so I did slander a lot of people.
I do contend that extremists like Coulter and O’reilly get more support from mainstream, influential Conservatives than the Ward Churchills of the world get from Democrats.
But I acknowledge that “more support” is not remotely the same as “universal support”.
Sir, I think you have more of the right of this than Froo does.
The intelligence assessment referred clearly to the lunatic fringe – neo-Nazi groups, Klan offshoots, the anti-choice extremists who actually kill doctors and bomb clinics, and their ilk. It did not try to imply that the entire Republican party came under its rubric. You nevertheless had mainstream commentators on the news, talk radio and in Right Blogsylvania claiming that the Obama administration was, through this assessment, trying to silence all dissent from the right.
Jesus Christ on a Segway doin’ 10mph down the freeway! WTF does my %#$@!! browser occasionally put my “other” name here? WTF is it even pulling it from?
Anyway, now all the people I’ve insulted will know who I am and will come to my house to kill me!
Oh, wait, they won’t. Firstly, I doubt I’m that important to anybody. And secondly, the type of character I like to insult does not, nor will ever, own a passport.
*makes plans*
The further you are out towards either endpoint of the right-left spectrum, the more likely you are to see all the other side’s views as “extremist.”
For example (and implied in the report) there is a tendency, as one approaches the left end of the spectrum, to believe that the ownership of more than one or two firearms automatically qualifies one as being an “extremist,” rather than a collector, enthusiast, hobbyist, or somesuch harmless thing.
The defense of such positions belies the truth of your claim. Dipshit.
OK, I agree with that. In fact, it’s a blinding flash of the obvious. But just what does it have to do with the topic at hand?
And I’d call you a half-wit, but some of my best friends are half-wits, and they’d take offense at the association.
Yes, we certainly would!
My brother voted absentee ballot for Obama while he was serving in Iraq. He has a purple heart.
actually I think Obama pulled in alot of support from the military – my father included (he’s retired AF) which suprised the hell out of me. most of my family was pretty republican leaning for a long, long time. it was the policies of Pres. Bush and the republican party in general towards the end of his second term that really helped to solidify their doubts.
i think a big portion of that was due to the party allowing itself to really become the party of evangelicals (I know it’s not *all* evangelicals but they represent a good sampling of the religious influence that has dominated that party and its supporters). it really pushed alot of the ones who viewed the party as good for its actions to really question its leadership, especially when you see members of the republican house and senate vilify people like rush limbaugh, michael steele, “joe the plumber” and gov. palin.
it’s honorable that your brother is serving, i would say that regardless of his views (although in this case they fall in line with mine, which is always nice), but mostly…i just felt like sharing.
Thank you, he’s home now and will be out for good in June. My family is both heavily military and passionately liberal. It’s an interesting dichotomy, but I’m always annoyed by the notion that the military is nothing but good little republican boys and girls or that conservatives hold some sway over supporting the troops. Just because they are doing their duty and serving doesn’t mean they agree with the reasons they are over there.
What I hear is that a number of military folks don’t agree with the initial reasons behind the invasion, but do tend to agree agree that “we broke it, now we have to fix it so it doesn’t get worse when we leave.”
Would that be about accurate?
Personally, I think there’s logic in that opinion. Meddling in Afghanistan, but leaving it alone in ruins when the Soviets left is one of the main reasons AQ and the Taliban were able to gain a foothold there. Wouldn;t want to see that happen again.
Well, I can only speak from my brother’s experience and that is that while the majority of the Iraqi people welcomed us initially they feel it’s past time we let them run their own country and he agrees with that. There’s more to it than that but until his service is up and he himself can speak freely about what he saw and did over there (something he plans to do) I’m not going to get into what is, in essence, second hand information. Anecdotal evidence isn’t worth much, but like I said, I only jumped in because of the idea that a democrat wouldn’t be welcome to serve his country that the original post put out.
I really think sometimes that a third party that was more socially liberal than the Republicans and more financially conservative… than EITHER party would be, the last couple of decades… would clean up, electionwise.
I would certainly drop the R’s in a heartbeat to get away from the Goddamn fundies.
Of course, the truth is absent that choice, when it comes down to it, I’ll be a whore for whichever party or candidate’s vision of space exploration and development is better.
*puts a President Nexus button on your shirt*
I’d be a Libertarian, but “people who prefer local and state control to federal control” are on the new “potential terrorist” list, too.
yah well.. i’m gonna go take some geneticists to the bottom of the ocean, build me a huge city full of clones and big guys in deep sea suits that help little girls from… waaait.. i’ve played this game!
in all seriousness – i think there’s gotta be a balancing between them all, there’s an obivious need and place for federal laws, same as state and local as well as international laws. if they’re all run properly and people respect the existing checks and balances that were supposed to be there then most of these issues wouldn’t be a problem. as for being fiscally conservative, i think obama is on the right track as far as fixing the whole mess we’re in and, again, there’s a need and a place for government spending. it doesn’t seem the spending is the problem insofar as the corruption involved in most aspects of the government are – the awarding of contracts without bids to companies what happen to be related to whoever is in office at the time (i’m referring mostly to cheney right there, but you can similar issues with the previous decision to bail out AIG – what genius sent that money out without strings attached? egads man, i was pulling my hair out in frustration with that)..
anyway, sorry got side tracked again. where were we going? a lovely vacation in the pacific i think…
I am for overarching laws for the whole lay of the land with additional laws and stipulations dictated by the states and local authorities.
Such as allowing any two consenting adults to marry in any state, with inbreeding still being outlawed. Age of consent would be normalized for every state after consideration with Congress. Stuff like that would be federalized because this is a whole country.
However, the state based issues would actually be controlled by the state as long as they meet basic guidelines set by the federal government. This is to ensure that basic needs like education, water purity, etc are met at an adequate level.
Obviously, this is painfully vague but I shall blame my migraine on such things. I do believe in state control, I just balance that with the idea that this is one country and thus certain things should be homogenious throughout.
makes sense, dwn, the federal laws are there in a more macro sense while the state and local are there in a more micro. it’s kind of like (really dorky reference here) playing at a tournament for warhammer 40k – the rules are the same for all tables in the tournament, but certain scenarios pop up due to unique circumstances on each table which can be dealt with on those tables, usually by a logical application and interpretation of existing rules carried down from the overarching tournament standards. so, assuming a table is a state, the overall tournament is the federal government, the eldar still pwn.
Exactly, nerd reference appreciated though D&D is my addiction.
@chocktaw April 20, 2009 at 10:08 am
“Hell for a Democrat. Imagine being surrounded by patriotic Americans all of the time, most of whom vote Republican. ”
interesting – care to back that up with a cite that counters The Military Times annual poll of active-duty service members in 2007 gave the percentage of military Republicans at 46%. (and on a personal note, i’ve got a feeling that the results of the 2008 poll will have an even lower %)
I missed the part where this was funny.
Jesus… does anybody work around here?
8 – 5 and living in U.S. or nothing much?
Way to see past the end of your nose!
This is the worst caption i have ever seen.
Wow, just think what our boys must go through to secure our freedoms. Brave men all!
..and hell will be a safer place to be after these soldiers are through doing their work!
my father in law said that the best scone he ever had was when he was on a tour of duty in Iraq. So…it’s not all that bad.
The human race is going to destroy itself in due time
Nice to see what this site thinks of our Troops.