THE TRUTH!?!?!
I can’t handle the truth!!
Wait, that doesn’t sound right
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FAIL – He would never have recognized that he screwed up.
And they used to harp on Bush for mistakes. This guy is constantly screwing up. I think thats why they picked him, to deflect from Obama’s screw-ups.
No…No…No…you got it backwards…Cheney was President and he picked the perfect screw-up to deflect from his screw-ups…
Oh, yeah. Initiating torture to create a false connection between 9/11 and Iraq is totally the same as saying people should avoid using public transit during a flu scare.
Give Biden time…he’s only been VP for a couple months.
We’ll see… we’ll see…
If by “totally the same” you mean that one is a fantasy of libtards with torches and pitchforks, and the other actually happened, then yeah.
Well, let’s see what the Taguba Report had to say, shall we?
“between October and December 2003, at the Abu Ghraib Confinement Facility (BCCF), numerous incidents of sadistic, blatant, and wanton criminal abuses were inflicted on several detainees. This systemic and illegal abuse of detainees was intentionally perpetrated by several members of the military police guard force (372nd Military Police Company, 320thMilitary Police Battalion, 800th MP Brigade), in Tier (section) 1-A of the Abu Ghraib Prison (BCCF). The allegations of abuse were substantiated by detailed witness statements (ANNEX 26) and the discovery of extremely graphic photographic evidence. ”
” In addition to the aforementioned crimes, there were also abuses committed by members of the 325th MI Battalion, 205th MI Brigade, and Joint Interrogation and Debriefing Center (JIDC). Specifically, on 24 November 2003, SPC Luciana Spencer, 205th MI Brigade, sought to degrade a detainee by having him strip and returned to cell naked. (ANNEXES 26 and 53)
6. (S) I find that the intentional abuse of detainees by military police personnel included the following acts:
a. (S) Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees; jumping on their naked feet;
b. (S) Videotaping and photographing naked male and female detainees;
c. (S) Forcibly arranging detainees in various sexually explicit positions for photographing;
d. (S) Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and keeping them naked for several days at a time;
e. (S) Forcing naked male detainees to wear women’s underwear;
f. (S) Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate themselves while being photographed and videotaped;
g. (S) Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and then jumping on them;
h. (S) Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box, with a sandbag on his head, and attaching wires to his fingers, toes, and penis to simulate electric torture;
i. (S) Writing “I am a Rapest” (sic) on the leg of a detainee alleged to have forcibly raped a 15-year old fellow detainee, and then photographing him naked;
j. (S) Placing a dog chain or strap around a naked detainee’s neck and having a female Soldier pose for a picture;
k. (S) A male MP guard having sex with a female detainee;
l. (S) Using military working dogs (without muzzles) to intimidate and frighten detainees, and in at least one case biting and severely injuring a detainee;
m. (S) Taking photographs of dead Iraqi detainees.”
“n addition, several detainees also described the following acts of abuse, which under the circumstances, I find credible based on the clarity of their statements and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses (ANNEX 26):
a. (U) Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees;
b. (U) Threatening detainees with a charged 9mm pistol;
c. (U) Pouring cold water on naked detainees;
d. (U) Beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair;
e. (U) Threatening male detainees with rape;
f. (U) Allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell;
g. (U) Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick.
h. (U) Using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one instance actually biting a detainee.”
From McClatchy news service:
“The rate of reported abuse was higher among men who were held at the U.S. camp at Kandahar Airfield. Thirty-two out of 42 men held there whom McClatchy interviewed claimed that they were knocked to the ground or slapped about. But former detainees said the violence at Bagram was much harsher.
The brutality at Bagram peaked in December 2002, when U.S. soldiers beat two Afghan detainees, Habibullah and Dilawar, to death as they hung by their wrists.
Dilawar died on Dec. 10, seven days after Habibullah died. He’d been hit in his leg so many times that the tissue was “falling apart” and had “basically been pulpified,” said then-Lt. Col. Elizabeth Rouse, the Air Force medical examiner who performed the autopsy on him.
Had Dilawar lived, Rouse said in sworn testimony, “I believe the injury to the legs are so extensive that it would have required amputation.” ”
I’ve linked to the Taguba report on this post, because I forgot to on the last one.
Then, Lawrence Wilkerson, Colin Powell’s Chief of Staff while Powell was Secretary of state, had this to say:
” what I have learned is that as the administration authorized harsh interrogation in April and May of 2002 — well before the Justice Department had rendered any legal opinion — its principal priority for intelligence was not aimed at pre-empting another terrorist attack on the U.S. but discovering a smoking gun linking Iraq and al-Qa’ida.
So furious was this effort that on one particular detainee, even when the interrogation team had reported to Cheney’s office that their detainee “was compliant” (meaning the team recommended no more torture), the VP’s office ordered them to continue the enhanced methods. The detainee had not revealed any al-Qa’ida-Baghdad contacts yet. This ceased only after Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, under waterboarding in Egypt, “revealed” such contacts. Of course later we learned that al-Libi revealed these contacts only to get the torture to stop.
There in fact were no such contacts. (Incidentally, al-Libi just “committed suicide” in Libya. Interestingly, several U.S. lawyers working with tortured detainees were attempting to get the Libyan government to allow them to interview al-Libi….)”
So, you just keep repeating your talking points. Those who know how to think understand just how wrong you are.
Yeah, but Mark, those are just facts, arranged together in a logical sequence, supporting a conclusion. That’s nothing compared to blind, unreasoning faith.
I know you’re just trolling and all, but please don’t egg PM on — fine specimens of the public education system such as himself need to learn the critical thinking skills they didn’t pick up in school, and your coddling him is only making his life worse.
Project much?
*and* projective identification.
From Wiki: “An example of projective identification is that of the paranoid schizophrenic who develops the delusion that he is being persecuted by the police; fearing the police, he begins to act furtive and anxious around police officers, thereby raising the suspicions of police officers, who then begin to look for some grounds on which to arrest him.”
*blinks*
I have seen this correlation but I didn’t know what it was called. Thanks, Pitty — this is actually helpful to me (work…)!
In this particular case we see all of the most primitive psychological defences. There’s projection and projective identification, as well as denial, splitting, and devaluation. Real piece of work, this one.
@ pitty: Lol…no, I mean in real life I’ve seen the example you gave.
LOL, I know. I’m just hammering away here, venting my flusterations. I miss Festah!
Yeah, I hope he’s okay!
I’ve been wondering about him, too. I suppose he could just be on vacation or something, but since he’s older and has some health issues, I’m a little concerned. Anyone heard from him at all?
Nope. Left a message on his profile ages ago but no reply. No new lolz from him either so he’s not lurking…
What about Rho, does anyone know where she’s been? I miss her too. *has a sad for missing comrades*
Comrades! Come out and play!
I have wondered about them myself as well.
They met up IRL, fell instantly in love, and have been shagging one another’s brains out for the past however long they’ve been gone.
They should come up for air soon, I expect.
I haven’t seen Danbala either, does anyone know about her?
Rho has been dealing with RL stuff lately. She’ll be back
Glad to hear she’ll be back… but what does RL stand for?
RL = Real Life…
Ahh… Thank you, I’m no good with acronyms…
PM, for a supposedly “thinking” person (and true to form, there you go again, exaggerating away), you seem to be awfully fuzzy on the concept of evidence. Here’s a hint, big guy — if you want to suggest motive, you need more than one discredited and incomplete source. The way you spew undisputed documents unrelated to the point you’re trying to make seem to suggest that you don’t understand how to prove motive.
If you want to *actually* learn how to think, I’d be more than happy to show you.
You may say that PM needs to learn to think… But you certainly need to learn to count. He provided three sources, not one.
And you need to learn to read. Only one actually addressed the connection he was trying to make, and it did so unsuccessfully.
Try to keep up…
I thought you also deny that we ever tortured anybody?
Nope, the little straw man in your head said that. (And I can guess what you’re going to say in response — the answer is no, read it again.)
Dhoti, do you know that your previous statements are actually recorded so we can all read them? It’s true! You can CLAIM you never wrote certain things, but, uh, we can read. You aren’t fooling anyone. Allow me to quote:
PM said: “Oh, yeah. Initiating torture to create a false connection between 9/11 and Iraq is totally the same as saying people should avoid using public transit during a flu scare.”
And you said: “If by “totally the same” you mean that one is a fantasy of libtards with torches and pitchforks, and the other actually happened, then yeah.”
You denied that we ever tortured anyone right here in this very thread, doofus. Please try a little harder. Oh yeah, I know what YOU are going to say, “But that’s not what I meant, you dumb libtards keep insisting that my words actually mean what they appear to, and not what I want them to mean!”
So I was half right — I predicted the knee-jerk, unthinking response exactly — but it came from Seth instead of PM. The same answer applies, which you apparently also didn’t read.
Seriously, what about the concept of “and” is so confusing to you rejects? It’s only three letters and it’s quite intuitive — I’m baffled. Sometimes it’s like I’m talking to a bunch of trained apes, without the training.
You do realize that calling something a ‘knee jerk unthinking response’ does not make it so, right? It’s your opinion and yours alone, lonely man. You can try to backtrack all you like, and I’m sure in your fantasy world there are huge numbers of lurkers reading your posts cheering you on, but that is all in your head. Out here in the real world, where people can read, we know what you said. No one is cheering, we’re all laughing at you dancing like a monkey, flinging poo, and claiming you’ve won the argument. Hilarious!
Sorry, Seth, I forgot — saying random things doesn’t make them true, unless it’s you doing it. How foolish of me!
Every time you respond with a whiny childish retort, I laugh. Dance little puppet, dance and shake with rage. You can’t argue, you can’t cite facts, all you can do is call people names, why do you think you deserve to be treated with respect? You have to earn it, and you haven’t even tried. Seriously, nobody here respects you.
So sayeth Seth, defender of the realm, enforcer of the internets.
Words cannot express how important your opinion, and your finger on the pulse of the world community, are to me.
And I don’t care what you think, either. You’ve demonstrated your inability to think, or to change your mind, or to be civil. So I dole out the smack down not for your edification, which is impossible, but for everyone else’s LOLification. You are our favorite little clown.
I would love to visit the world where that counts as a mighty smackdown. I assume your version of Obama and his best friend, Zombie Reagan, would agree?
Yes, Dhoti, we ALL wish you would visit us here in the real world.
PM said: Intiating torture to create a false connection between 9/11 and Iraq
You talked about the “torture,” but where is the “false connection” part of your argument to 9/11 and Iraq? You didn’t address that anywhere.
That would be in the third post, from Lawrence Wilkerson:
“what I have learned is that as the administration authorized harsh interrogation in April and May of 2002 — well before the Justice Department had rendered any legal opinion — its principal priority for intelligence was not aimed at pre-empting another terrorist attack on the U.S. but discovering a smoking gun linking Iraq and al-Qa’ida.”
Could it be any more clear?
@pm – a word of advice: don’t feed the dhotitroll, he doesn’t grasp the concept behind verified/verifiable facts and refuses to ever cite any source that even has an odor of credibility.
Yeah, you’re right, of course. The more facts you present to him, the more he denies they are relevant and the more personal and pointless his attacks become.
Has anyone else noticed he’s the only regular here who’s afraid to give any personal details about his life? I’m thinking he’s embarrassed we’ll find out he’s a spoiled high school kid; an only child, who’s parents have lavished praise and access to expensive private schools on him until, as the saying goes, “he was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple.”
So now you’re making up a back story so you can dismiss me as not the “right” kind of person. Classy. Way to tolerate dissent, big guy!
Go ahead, prove me wrong: tell us all a little something about yourself.
You just try so gosh darn hard to be clever! It’s actually kind of cute. But no — my background isn’t the issue here, I have nothing to prove, especially to someone whose integrity has been proven to be wanting.
The issue is your bigotry. Do you suddenly not care about Diss’ opinions now, because you think she might fit your stereotype of people to marginalize? Or is there a loophole?
Dhoti, can you do anything besides call people names, present unverified speculation as fact, and whine when people won’t listen to you? The only thing you are accomplishing here is making yourself look uneducated, illogical, and immature. You can whine about how other people treat you, but that’s not flying. Everyone here, at one time or another, has tried to reach out to you. We’ve just given it up as pointless.
Seth, can you do anything besides deliberately misreading and climbing on your soapbox of moral superiority?
All I see is you spewing off unfounded accusations, backing them up with personal attacks when called on it, then trying to assume the moral high ground when that doesn’t work. Admit it — you’re wound up so tight you’re not even able to grasp the concept of someone who might, theoretically, disagree with you.
But by all means, keep up the charade. I’m sure you’re fooling tons of people. (Not counting PM, of course — he’s proven himself by now to be a true drooling idiot. He’s yours.)
@Dhoti:
Baaaaawk bawk bawk bawk bawk!
(Yeah, I know it’s childish- I’m just trying to take the discussion to a level he will get)
Try harder — clucking isn’t nearly so cute, especially when it comes from an ex-NFL Hall of Famer turned titan of industry turned ninja (or whatever your story is this week.)
Unless it’s like that weird clucking Gob Bluth does. ‘Cause that rocks, even by a slimeball like you.
See? “But that’s not what I meant! How dare you dirty liberals take what I say literally! Only conservatives are allowed to take what I say literally!”
You could try explaining what you really meant by what you said, instead of saying we misread it. Go on, I’m waiting. I do so love watching you contort yourself into uncomfortable positions, while backtracking and covering your butt. It’s like a circus!
At least dwn had the self-awareness to run away after being called out on his deliberate misreading game.
No, he got bored with your inability to think. AGAIN, what did you really mean? If you don’t answer the question, that is the same as admitting I’m right.
Or work was over and going home to my family and dicking about on Gaia seemed more entertaining than pretending that I was making any progress.
I mean, seriously, you were complaining because I took your words at face value. How Dare I!?
I forgot — your leaving is a sign of moral superiority; my leaving is a sign of defeat. Gotcha.
At least now, you’re not misreading, you’re flat out misremembering. Progress, I guess. Fortunately, as Seth has pointed out, it’s all archived, so have at it!
I’m really glad Seth has the energy for this, because Dhoti needs the beatdown, and I’m too busy riding to give him the attention he craves. I’m off now for the beautiful downtown Portland loop that circles fifteen miles of the banks of the Willamette river. Headphones attached, Psychobilly/Bluegrass/Celtcore loaded onto the phone; I’m off for biker heaven!
@dwn: Gaia?
G-D I miss Oregon
Seth, are you admitting your inability to comprehend the written word? No problem — in fact, admission is the first step to recovery.
Let’s take this so slowly you can’t deliberately misinterpret anything else. What did I say? I said that deliberate torture to establish a link between 9/11 and Iraq is a fantasy. Not one part of that, but both. You know, “and”? That’s why I mentioned it above. Tricky, I know.
Now, if you’re still with me, what did PM prove? That torture happened. Did he prove it happened to cause that link? No, not by a long shot.
I assume you’ll be unable to comprehend any of that as well, yes?
Of course we believe you, PM…
Well, Dhoti, it is good that you can admit torture happened. I’m glad you clarified that, but PM did make it clear that torture was done specifically to link 9/11 to Iraq, when there is no link. So, I’m sorry I accused you of being a torture denier if you aren’t. The way you wrote it, though, sure made it seem like you were denying torture. Maybe you should take an essay writing class.
@Dhoti: I have yet to claim moral superiority. Morals are subjective at best and laughable at worst. When I leave, it is because I have spent 8 hours on the site. Hell, I don’t even come back for the weekend. I game at home and dick about on Gaia. I don’t mean it as commentary against you. So if my leaving offends you, I apologize as it wasn’t intentional.
And you’re right, it is all there. For anybody and everybody to read. Oddly enough, the only defense for your side was stating that it was a stereotype which only gives me backing.
@PortlandMark: It is an addictive hang out site. I’ve been there since I was in college.
Seth, your lack of reading comprehension skills are not my concern. Though they certainly appear to be challenged by your ability to parse “evidence”.
Let me know when you’ve worked through the colorful box of readers in the back of the classroom. Perhaps then, you’ll have developed the critical thinking skills to actually participate in a discussion, rather than just slinging your feces around.
Your hypocrisy is amusing to me. Can you really not grasp that you yourself do everything you accuse others of doing, only ten times worse? I’ve never seen you even try to engage in a rational discussion, you cite no sources, you attack everyone who disagrees with you, and use every logical fallacy in the book.
You remind me of another troll that used to hang out here before the elections, I can’t remember what it called itself, but it was quite amusing too.
Anyway, now that you have admitted the Bush regime practiced torture, how do you think we should punish them? Let’s have that rational conversation you were asking for.
No one doubts your sincerity, Seth, just your perspective. I’m sure you really do believe that you’re above board and that you’re just trying to help. Which is hilarious in and of itself…
Go on, prove what you said. Cite away. Explain it. Come on. I dare you.
You don’t seem to be able to stay on point. Every time you squeeze out one of your little screeds, you have to prop up some completely different argument to try to go after. Is this a psychological need of yours, or do you truly not grasp what you’re doing?
Oh, Dhgoti, who are you to say what people doubt? You have no idea what anyone else thinks, because you never listen.
Anyone who has read anything you’ve written here needs no more proof of your ill intention. I merely point out the glaringly obvious. If I said the sky was blue, would you demand proof of that, too?
You need to stop huffing paint, or whatever it is you’re doing that’s destroyed your short term memory. We were discussing torture. You admitted that the US has performed torture, heck, you even got mad when we said you hadn’t admitted that, so you must believe that the Bush regime has performed torture. That is illegal, and I know you believe in the rule of law, SO, how should we punish those responsible, like Cheney and Bush?
I can understand if you don’t want to partake in this (for you) humiliating exercise, and if you don’t want to discuss how to punish the torturers, we all know why.
Your move.
I see you didn’t answer my question — again. Just more unfounded accusations and poor attempts at redirection. I’ll assume that means you can’t back any of it up. (Oh, and “everyone knows it” doesn’t count as a cite, just so you know.)
Good to have your failure documented.
Dhoti, what question do you mean? Your rantings are well nigh incomprehensible to sane folks, you’ll need to be more clear.
Tell you what, even though I asked my question first (How should we punish the torturers?) I’ll answer yours first. If you can remember what it was. I looked, I couldn’t find anything that looked like a real question.
Shocker, that.
So, what was your question? You don’t even remember, do you?
Clearly, that’s the only logical explanation. Because I would certainly never suggest that you are incapable of scrolling up and reading yourself, and I would also never pass on asking again in fear of getting sucked into a “that’s not a question”/”you never asked that”/”I don’t have to answer that question because I’m a special little snowflake” argument with you.
You aren’t fooling anyone but yourself, Dhoti. You have such a strong case of cognitive dissonance going on right now, your brain has shut down and you can’t even remember what you wrote. Absolutely side splittingly hilarious. I got you so worked up you can’t even think straight, remember what you said, or answer simple questions, LOL!
Absolutely, Seth. The combination of your razor-sharp mind and cunning wit was just too much for my fragile psyche to withstand.
Conversing with Dhoti is like conversing with some demented version of Eliza. You remember, the “Turing Program” that came out for the TRS-80?
“Hi , Eliza. I am eating watermelon”
“Why are you obsessed with watermelon?”
“Well, I’m not, I just mentioned watermelon once”
“How do you feel about watermelon?”
“Um, its delicious”
“What is delicious?”
and so on…
THAT”S IT!!!! Dhoti is a bot trying to pass the Turing Test!!!! Or trying to make us pass it!!
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*gives Mark and internet for deduction*
@PM:
“You could try explaining what you really meant by what you said, instead of saying we misread it. ”
it doesn’t matter what he meant – it’s what is written that holds water – anyone who speaks in vaguenessess (i know there is a better word, but it got sucked into the black hole of my brain
) can have several different mental disorders starting with borderline personality disorder and trolling right along down the spectrum to psychopathy, and its done deliberatley so that the speaker can not be held acountable for his/her words – they’re all a matter of interpretation. this allows the speaker to manipulate and control their victims
@Bad Fairie:
Oops! You’re giving me credit for something someone else said!
Or, in other words — you didn’t understand my argument, and have no rational response to it.
Is that about right?
No one understands your ‘arguments,’ Dhoti. There is no rational response to “Nana nana boo boo, you suck!” which is all any of your uninformed diatribes amount to.
PM, lay off the only children. My parents’ lack of efficient reproductive capacity is not my fault, m’kay?
There’s nothing wrong with being an only child, unless your adoring parents’ attention cause you to have an inflated sense of your own intelligence, importance, and privilege. Then it’s just sad.
Nobody ever thinks about the other side of it, either. In pre-computer and video game days, being an only child meant never having anybody to play a board/card game with unless you had a friend over. Playing against yourself in Monopoly is kinda pathetic. Not to mention you get stuck with ALL the chores instead of having somebody to share them with; if something gets broken or whatever there’s nobody to blame it on; and when your parents go all Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf on each other you’re the only one there to try to break it up.
I used to blame broken items on the cat, and missing cookies on my father. Sometimes it even worked!
Are you socking for froofrou? She shows up, says the same thing, is proven wrong, then disappears. Or do you think you can prove it?
I don’t know about socks, but I’m sure she looks scrumptious in fishnet thigh highs.
Or maybe those stockings with seams up the back, and a garter belt?
Siren red lipstick.
It’s a frou-for-all!
in bed
Hmmm……siren-red lipstick would only make me look like a vampire……what with the untanned skin and all…….
That could be interesting…
Anita?
oh baby, baby, now you’re talking my language with 5 in stilettos, leather, whips and whipping cream topped with strawberries
@dhoti: if this were p2p, i’d give you sock – starting with the white athletic sock you stuff in your pants, and just work your way up and over until the only thing left would be the cr@p the junkyard dogs won’t touch. but on the other hand, here you go again tossing what you think are insults. i happen to like froo in spite of her being right wing and i’m not, so that is no insult to me. so get a grip on reality and put up or shut up.
Is that a ping pong table?
Damn, I wanted to say that, but seriously, IS that a ping pong table?
Good Ole Joe is one ping-pong paddle short of a good game…
The balloon kind of obscures the guy behind him, but it kind of looks like Joe might be getting bent over the hypothetical ping pong table…
“Thank you sir! May I have another?!”
Kevin Bacon’s finest moment…
Chip Diller…Faber College’s finest. {link}
*giggle*
love that movie. although i can honestly say that neidermeyer is probably my favorite in a totally messed up way. d-day is a close second.
Hmmm wonder what he’s really saying?
“IS THAT THE JONAS BROTHERS????”
hahaha
No seriously I’d like to know too.
“You’ve gotta get enough fiber, or you’ll be bent over like this!”
“If you don’t eat your meat, you can’t have any pudding!”
Nice to see the guy who made this lol doesn’t spend 100% of his time obsessing over Obama. He must spend at least a few minutes every now and then obsessing over Joe Biden.
Talk about a rich life.
Interestingly, the Obama-Haters are the only persons who call Obama a “Messiah”. According to my experience, they are by far the worst Obamaniacs.
Obama Derangement Syndrome. Symptoms include: whining about non existent socialism, uttering nonsense words like ‘Obamessiah’ and
‘Obamabots,’ crying because the mean black man is wrecking America, buying lots of guns, believing that ‘Barry’ is short for ‘Obama,’ feelings of isolation and powerlessness, paranoid thoughts that your country will be destroyed, and extreme petulance.
ODS…do they have a pill for that yet?
It’s a suppository.
Eeeewww!! Same size and shaped like the head of Rush Limbaugh…
cackle, cackle — so that’s where he gets all his bright ideas
it looks surprisingly like a shotgun shell. and it’s to be administered via a shotgun to the mouth…
Don’t forget email forwards with evidence that he’s the Antichrist.
I kid, but it seems like people with ODS are balanced out by people who can’t handle any criticism directed towards Barry, I mean Obama, and fly off the handle on some Bush tangent when anyone dares to imply that he’s less than perfect.
Bush = bad
Obama = teh awesum!
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Telling people that I simply refuse to believe that the Antichrist would be dependent on a teleprompter tends to create interesting levels of confusion.
Sad how easy it is.
And don’t you think the Antichrist would do something about those ears?
Flap them and levitate?
Good one…but until I see said flapping and levitation…
But at the same time it opens up all sorts of interesting Skynet, evil magic hat, etc. angles. Is there anything in Revelation that specifically prevents the Antichrist from just being a meat puppet?
According to Revelation, from what I remember, the Antichrist is indwelt by Satan himself…
That’s ‘Left Behind’, not Revelation.
Less than perfect? He’s a Reagan worshiping DINO. Seriously, his law school adviser said so, he thought Obama was a Republican when they first met. Obama is a total centrist, not even close to a socialist, and if I didn’t know all that when I voted for him, I’d be terribly, terribly disappointed right about now.
He was considered a rightie *by an academic*? Way to set the bar. (No pun intended.)
In related news, Brian Peppers looked at my picture and said, “hey, that guy’s ruggedly handsome”.
Ruggedly Handsome, huh? That’s kinda like being told you have “good birthin’ hips”.
i thought it was a nice way of saying he’ been beat too many times and too long with an ugly stick, kind of like saying a potential blind date is ‘real nice’ when asked about their appearance
He also said that to a mirror, a hamster, a picture of Martha Stewart, and Seth.
So, did you completely miss the joke, or couldn’t you think of something original to say?
Didn’t care for the joke but thought it funny to go with it.
And I shed a single tear…
Yes, my disregard for memes is truly heartbreaking, I assure you.
Free the memes!
TOOOO SOOOON! LEAVE BRIAN PEPPERS ALOOOOOOONE!
ROFL!
Okay, I let this go at first but now I find myself in a proper mood to address this.
“An academic”
Yes, an academic. Somebody with a substantial amount of education. Their use of big words and those dastardly small but difficult words isn’t an excuse to dismiss them.
I’m as left as you’ll ever find, and I’m not happy with his reluctance to pursue the torture issue, his opposition to Valerie Plame taking her case to the Supreme Court, and his decision to oppose the release of prisoner abuse photos (question: if there’s nothing wrong with what we did, then why would the photos hurt our troops?). I’m uncertain of his commitment to actually lowering our spending. I’m angry that single payer health care advocates aren’t allowed a seat at the table when discussing his health care initiatives, and I’m pretty sure they’re gonna mess it up and turn it into a giveaway to the insurance companies.
Overall, though, it’s such a relief to have an adult in the White House that I’m willing to give him some time to actually screw up before I go back to my position in the ’90s: the democrats are too infiltrated by the DLC to actually be different from the Republicans.
I ju
PM, I’m left-of-center (maybe not as far-left as some accuse me of being),, and I agree with you. He’s disappointed me on the torture issue, dissappointed me that there was not a bigger emphasis placed on the country’s infrastructure in all the stim money, and I’m afraid I’m going to be disappointed with how he’s going to deal with this Supreme Court Appointee.
I’m still in the “Give him some time”-mode of thinking; but how he handles the torture issue and where the detainees go after Gitmo is going to say alot about how much more “time” I give him.
as an individual, i don’t like the way the torture and gitmo situation is being handled – i’d like to see some criminal investigations being done and a whole lot of cheney ‘classified’ doc’s opened up for inspection. but i also appreciate the slowness of whatever is going on. it’s an ugly thing to bring charges like these against any government leader (not just our own), and it’s possible that while not only discussing the ramifications of charging bush & co, they’re also discussing all the international parts to it. i am of the opinion that he wants to be in a position that is watertight if/when any charges are filed. it would be one h3ll of a black mark for him to live with for a very long time if they don’t get convictions after bringing charges…
naw, y’alls just butt hurt because your swiftboating tactics didn’t work this time and not only did the the tighty-righties lose, but they lost to a black man.
See PISS, Party Idolatry Syndrome (Sudden-onset). Symptoms of PISS include involuntary epithets in response to criticism of Party (see “racist” and “homophobic”) and blindness to oak trees.
I like this…works many ways, doesn’t it?
I figure it’s enough for folks more creative than me to run with. I just hope someone comes up with a smoother acronym breakout.
Party Idolatry Solipsism Syndrome?
Party Insiders Shoveling Sh!t?
Yeah, those guys are even funnier than those people during the election who were obsessed with Obama (meaning they loved him) XD. Yeah, everyone at my school is whining about him being a “socialist” when they don’t even know what socialism is. My world history teacher doesn’t even know. She’s mistaking it with communism. D8 Then again, I don’t take the people at my school seriously when it comes to politics. Most of them vote on one issue and one issue only: abortion. All they needed to know about Obama is that he “supported it”, and they must find any way to demonize him, even going around saying they think it’ll be funny if he gets shot. Seriously, guys, there are other issues in the world.
Let’s see, a little editing tells the real story:
All they needed to know about Palin is that she “opposed it”, and they must find any way to demonize her, even going around saying they think it’ll be funny if he gets raped.
Never mind that her opposition was far less public than John Kerry’s.
. . . if “she” gets raped.
Loses gold star for editing skills.
BTW, does anybody think that the NRA branch of the republican party will give up their insane belief that liberals are after their guns now that congress has started to ease restrictions on carrying firearms?
There is no 2nd ammendment right to carry ammunition, which I fully believe is the next target. So no, I’m sure that the NRA will continue to think (based on past votes and speeches) that the Administration will do it’s level best to do away with legal firearms. Especially since Obama wants a nation-wide ban on concealed *legal* handguns.
Since I had a guy pull his legal concealed gun on me when I was a bartender, I’m not sure I disagree. I think it should be legal to carry it on your hip, however. Let the world know you’re armed, don’t hide it.
Hells yes. And a drunk in a bar isn’t exactly a normal guy in, say, Texas carrying his weapon for actual protection
I still don’t think that drinking and guns mix, so all bars should have the 30-0 Law posted (I think that’s the law) that prohibits guns of any kind on the premises. Not allowing me to take a gun into a grocery store or a post office, however, is just silly. I’d need it there before I’d need it to kill a cougar while deer hunting.
Why would you be killing an attractive older woman and why would she be attacking you while you hunt deer?
FB kept eating my comments, maybe PK won’t…
*false hope*
o.0 I got a comment?!
Damn FB is hungry for li’l ol’ me…
wow, he looks like he’s having an epic meltdown.
“no, YOU’RE a hooker!!!”
Haha, I had an idea and recaptioned.
Good one, dwn.
Thanks, I thought to have the second guy say it was harder when Joe lacks pants but finding a proper wording eluded me.
How bout this one?
*Not sure why the recaption won’t link*
Maybe it’ll work now…
LOL!!!
I wonder who I was thinking about when I made that one??!!
Joe Wangnut Biden!
Well, MG (above) if it makes you feel any better, there are no reply buttons for me on this page so my rapier wit is lost.
YES! They are back.
I’ve suddenly lost my reply buttons, too. Crap.
MY GOD!!!! IT’S THE 7TH SIGN OF THE ARMAGEDDON!!!! NO REPLY BUTTONS!!!! FOLLOW ME!! FOLLOW ME TO FREEDOM!!!!!!!
Um, where are we going? I hope it’s a picnic. I like picnics.
Guess we know who the REAL antichrist is, eh MG?
@HST: I knew it…PK Administrator all along!!!!
This day just gets better and better…
Although, it’s kind of fun to reply to any of the statements above without indicating who the response is intended for….kinda gives a wonderful randomization to the site….
I’ll go first: Umm…no. That’d be painful.
I suddenly lost my crap buttons, too. Reply.
Just don’t bring your aunts, K?
You called suicide prevention and they put you on hold.
Administrate this!!111Q!111elebenty!1 I am the EMPEROR OF EVERYTHING>ROFLCOTPERSE>>W>Q
The title of this is truth and I am feeling the bitterness so let’s have an exercise.
You’re the judge of a beauty contest and it’s your turn to ask a question. What do you ask?
Mine is… “What makes you more than a pretty face?”
@Dhoti. “an academic” does not automatically mean a liberal. Liberals may be somewhat more common on college and university campuses, but it would be socially dangerous to assume that all are–unless one enjoys making foot-in-mouth statements in groups. In addition to our one socialist, vegetarian, punk-rocker dude, we have several faculty who I know voted for Bush’s second term. And I know this without having taken a poll, in a faculty of 50 full-timers.
@viking gal – ” “an academic” does not automatically mean a liberal.”
Only about 95.5% of the time.
So you believe conservatives are all ill educated?
So I see here you like animals. Do you prefer Spitz or Swallows?
Couldn’t resist.
@DWN: “Are those real?” -or- “Please list three prime numbers.”
@DWN: How about:
If you were being executed, what would you want for your last meal?
Name three current non-US world leaders.
So, does the carpet match the drapes?
Airheadsayswhat?
@MG: If I am to believe Forge’s post on Roflrazzi, then the foundation does pay for boob jobs. I love the prime numbers one. Lulz.
@DWN for reals.
Who do you think is more stupid, the judges or the beauty contestants?
What is your favorite laxative and why? Be specific.
Are you a real Blonde? If yes, prove it.
If you had a choice, would you create world peace or end world hunger? Explain.
two for one: whirled peas
@ diss re: last mearl.
“That depends, can I throw up? I don’t want to look fat!!!111!.”
@viking: No, I wasn’t attempting to be literal. (Despite Dwn’s tendency to assume so and argue against the resulting straw man. Honestly, it’s like he can’t deal with me unless he makes up something to feel superior about.)
Having said that, I think the documented political homogeneity of college faculties goes well beyond “somewhat more common”, and that’s the point I was trying to make. For the sake of argument, let’s assume that the US is 52% small-l liberal; the average faculty self-identification numbers are well over that.
@Dhoti: Of course it probably varies a lot depending both on the school and I would suspect the department, as well. Let’s face it, when somebody starts talking about “far-left liberal college professors” they probably aren’t thinking of someone in electrical engineering or accounting. (Not that they couldn’t be, but just that some areas of study lend themselves less to the stereotype).
i will concur with departments making a difference — i swear i was the only cheap, gun toting, liberal in any accounting oriented class i took. gen eral business was better, more of an even mix, but the core accounting type classes – was different to say the least. if i could only go back and say neener-neener to all the ijits that approve of social security being privitized and indibiduals being able to invest directly in wall street. (never mind that the crash led dirrectily to the creation of soial security…
@Dhoti: Yes, I am crazy for taking your words for their literal meaning. If you don’t mean something literally, then qualify it. It isn’t hard.
Besides, what exactly do I have to make up when your words state exactly what you mean. You are dismissing academics because of their statistical self identification.
Jeez, let’s examine that. Highly educated people who seem to disagree with you at an alarming rate but there can’t be a possibility that you are at fault. You call them academics like it is actually an insult.
So to sum it up, if you don’t want to be taken literally, qualify it. Otherwise, have the balls to mean what you post and stop whining like you’re a victim.
@dwn: Why must we always play these pedantic little games? Deliberately misreading what I say isn’t a virtue, and trying to pick a fight based on it isn’t helping anyone. Seriously, grow up, or go back to work.
I’d explain how I think my point makes sense, but I’m sure you’d find a way to misinterpret that, too, so I’ll spare you.
@diss: You might be surprised — I think it’s more a function of the academic temperament more than the specific discipline. I can recall at least a couple of EE professors that were, shall we say, passionately liberal.
Translation, “When I say something patently ridiculous, I didn’t mean it literally, unless you believe it too, in which case I’m totally serious.”
You can’t say it like that, Seth. It makes too much sense, and therefore makes it hard for him to manipulate the facts.
*waits for the next unprompted racial epithet*
You’re playing dwn’s games too, Seth? Frankly, I’m surprised — they seem a bit too high-functioning for you. Shouldn’t you be screaming Reagan’s name for no good reason?
@Dhoti and DWN: Do I have to break out the cooking spoon and give you both the “what-for”????
@ Dhoti: Like I said, not that they couldn’t be…I just suspect that there are some departments that have a stronger skew towards the left than others (in general) while some will have a political demographic closer to the overall population in the area. And again, there’s probably variation in the overall political tendencies of a faculty (averaged) between, say, Swarthmore and the University of Alabama (absolutely no offense intended to either school, there, alumni/faculty of each!).
@Diss: I agree with your point. i went to two different colleges…one in the midwest that had a VERY liberal Poli Sci department, and one in Pa that was more conservative…
@Dhoti: It’s simple dude. You harp on me or babble shit, I will call you on it. I’m not in the mood to ignore the obnoxious tone you always seem to take when you feel superior to something and I find it especially laughable when you push the claim back at me.
“He was considered a rightie *by an academic*? Way to set the bar.”
Oh yes, that certainly doesn’t come off as insulting to those who respect higher learning. Look, I get that you don’t like Obama and that is fine. What I don’t get is the language that definitely smacks of hating academics for no other reason than they disagree with you.
Seriously, you act like a snotty child, get called on it, refuse to admit anything, and then try to play the high road. Why the hell shouldn’t I treat you like an ass?
@dwn: Replace “deliberately misreading what I said” with “playing ‘find the imaginary insult’”, or whatever the next trick is going to be. Different implementations, same tactic.
Perhaps — and this is just a crazy suggestion — you should read what I write, interpret it as it was clearly intended, and THEN decide whether the ACTUAL content is egregious enough to warrant your self-righteous fury? Just sayin’.
@Dhoti: Numerous studies show that intelligence and education correlate with liberalism. Now, care to tell me why you ignore the fact that Obama considered Reagan to be his favorite president, and instead try to poison the well by claiming all academics are liberal, and therefore they must think anyone less liberal than themselves is, in fact a conservative?
Admit it, you just can’t stand the fact that Obama is a Reagan-inspired centrist. You ignore all the evidence and continue this ridiculous claim that he is some kind of liberal socialist. Obviously, you are trying to redefine what liberal and conservative mean. I’m sure in your own mind you are a moderate, Obama is far left, and I’m a communist.
@ Seth: Yeah….studies conducted by liberals.
Comment win!
@Seth: That’s actually a very funny — if shamelessly self-aggrandizing — little derivation. For starters, can you show me where Obama said Reagan was his favorite president?
@Dhoti: Imaginary insult would imply that you didn’t say: “He was considered a rightie *by an academic*? Way to set the bar.”
The only way to take that is that academics can’t be trusted. Sorry but that just doesn’t work. Nor is there really any other way to take it, unless you have a convenient qualifying statement that you should have included from the beginning instead of poisoning the well.
@Diss: cite? Seriously, I don’t know who did the studies.
@dwn: So you’re confirming that you’re reading much more into it than there is. Glad we agree.
@ Seth. Cite these, please.
@ Dhoti: I get you meaning, but it was a pretty snide way of reminding us all we should consider our sources when info-gathering.
Just sayin’
@DWN: Not to get in the middle of today’s pissing contest, but I just took “He was considered a rightie *by an academic*? Way to set the bar.” as a reference to the stereotype of college professors as tending to the leftie side; I don’t get anything regarding trustworthiness out of that. More like a “She got called fat by Nicole Richie?” kind of thing.
I said, Obama’s Harvard Law School adviser claimed Obama had told him that. He said it on the Daily Show, on election night. He also said he assumed Obama was a Republican because of he never stopped talking about how great Reagan was. Finally, and most amusingly, he said when they first met, he thought Michelle would go on to national politics, but Obama would make a nice big city mayor.
@ dwn: No idea, hon, you’d have to ask Seth. I was what we call “joking”.
@Seth: Transcript or it didn’t happen.
@ Seth: seriously, man, need cites for this:
Numerous studies show that intelligence and education correlate with liberalism.
I’ve seriously been looking and can’t find anything concrete…
@Diss: Yes and I oddly found the stereotype insulting as it insinuates that an academic or even, dare I say, leftist might be suspect just because they are an academic or a lefty.
However, you’re a lawyer and thus human emotions are beneath you.
@HST: I was going for “snarky” more than “snide”, but point taken.
@Seth: I suppose, in context, that seems snide too, huh?
(It’s a reference to the “pics or it didn’t happen” meme — not sure how commonly known that one is.)
But I’m surprised to hear that, because I did a little googling and couldn’t find anyone mentioning it. You’d think that would be good fodder somewhere.
@dwn: Perhaps I’m a little too in touch with my reptilian side….
@HST: When Seth gets into his liberal cavalry mode, I just tune him out as serious commentary most of the time and just enjoy the lulz.
@Diss: No worries love, I always had a fondness for snakes.
@ Dhoti: Check.
@ DWN: Check.
@ Diss: Can I see you bubies?
@Dhoti: I suggest you go to The Daily Show’s website and look for their election coverage. Or you could google ‘obama reagan’ and you will see, he has expressed his admiration of Reagan a number of times. The Clintons even used it against him during the primaries.
Transcript of one of many times Obama has expressed his admiration of Reagan:
“I don’t want to present myself as some sort of singular figure. I think part of what’s different are the times. I do think that for example the 1980 was different. I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s and government had grown and grown but there wasn’t much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think people, he just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want clarity we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing.”
@HST: Not without a warrant.
@ Seth: He’s just stating fact, my friend. Nowhere does he call Reagan “teh awesome!!11elebenty.”
If you lived through the Reagan era, there really was that feeling, I’m not shittin’ ya. I was po white trash who didn’t benefit, but the “feeling” was there.
*races to courthouse*
Judge, I have probable cause: she’s wanted for a violation…
@HST: Are you insinuating that I violated you?
@HST: Obama’s speech may not say ‘Reagan is teh awesome!1!’ but it is not only admiring in it’s tone, it specifically praises Reagan’s pro-capitalist, anti-government policies.
@Dhoti: I did a quick Google on Obama Reagan and found numerous references (albeit some are blogs), and they went on for a few pages (somewhere on the order of 9.2 millions hits.) In fact I even found one reference where Nancy Reagan praised Obama. Are you sure you ‘Googled’ correctly?
Neither side wants to admit that a pro-Reagan centrist fooled them all into believing he was a leftist.
@ diss: Nope. I’m blatantly interested in participating in a violation
@Seth: LOL!!! For the record he had me fooled..
@eddie: Gee, I guess not; I never thought to put both proper nouns in the search box. I’ll try that next time — thanks for the tip!
@eddie: Dhoti always runs away when he’s losing an argument.
@Dhoti: no worries, always glad to be of assistance.. If you have watched SNL, I’m like Nick the Corporate Computer Geek. Just not as good looking..
@eddie: yeah, well, look at his record so far. He’s basically told the left to take a long walk off a short pier, while cozying up to the right.
@Seth: Obviously I don’t want to admit I was fooled, but the way Obama’s cozied up to Wall Street, yeah, it took me a long time to explain that one away.
Lol…maybe I need to reconsider my position that he’s not the antichrist…that IS a pretty impressive achievement.
Seth, he’s told the right to take a long walk off a short pier as well, unless they’re as right wing as he seems to be.
Damn it Seth! He was supposed to turn this country socialist! How am I going to get my free librul monies now??!! *pouts*
*pets* There, there. He still has time to see the light of the People’s Breasts.
He probably shouldn’t look directly on though. The light is not meant for mere mortals. You should be okay though, the President get certain rights after all.
Hot damn!
Aww they’re letting midgets in the secret service now, how cute
i’d rather have a Vice President who made gaffes than a Vice President who made policies like a President without our knowledge
Not a bad comment, just too late since we’re already way into a couple deep threads
and don’t you forget it either
rawr, but otherwise i agree, but then we seem to be on the same side of gun control (hit what you aim at, dag-nabit, and tighten up that choke while you’re at it!)
I say, let’s let everyone carry a gun. If you shoot someone who has a drawn weapon, no matter how severely, then the offense will be “discharging a weapon in the city limits” or possibly “behavior likely to endanger innocents”. If you miss and hit a bystander, no matter how minor the wound, it will be a capital crime, carried out by the police on the scene.
How’s that for justice!