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Meh.
True – you have pie.
*perks up*
Did someone say pie? What kind??
It better involve chocolate….and apple….and blueberry…….yeah.
What about cake? Cake is good too. Sadly, though, the cake is a lie.
TEH CAKE IZ A LIE!?!
Yes. The cake is a lie. You’ve been warned.
NOOOOES!!!!!
The cheesecake, on the other hand, is merely a mild overstatement of the truth.
The muffins are a half-truth. *offers half a muffin*
Dex, who on earth wants a quarter-truth? Gross.
Less calories that way.
:O
THE TRUTH WILL MAKE ME FAT?!
-sniffle-
I thought that this picture had been used up already.
You would think so, wouldn’t you? In a world full of intelligent, creative people, we wouldn’t need to reuse pictures no matter how inherently comedic they were. In fact, folks would shun the obviously funny pictures and really exercise their creativity and humor by captioning less obviously funny pictures.
We don’t live in that world.
We are a spinoff of a cat themed websites. Perhaps we shouldn’t be so lofty in our goals.
Where’s whack-a-kitty when you need it?
i saw a kitty, but i didn’t whack it.
well, maybe
I don’t wanna be a spinoff! We’re gonna end up on Nick at Nite with Mork from Ork and Frazier!
it’s not necessarily a bad thing being a spin-off. Mork went on to be sweaty genius-of-a-comic and frazier became a blue furred mutant. could be worse!
And Frazier was funnier than Cheers too!
Nah, if they had the education dept.’s relative level of funding, they wouldn’t be able to afford that gun.
And they’d be naked.
And they’d still be considered an “armored” unit.
You realize that, in total, we spend more on education that on defense, right? And that we have since ~1993?
err, “than” on defense…
Here’s interesting couple of http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2009/04/where-do-our.html” rel=”nofollow”>pie charts.
Dammit. Site won’t let me link.
Here’s a chart that puts it together in aggregate. [link]
Just remove the extraneous http: and you can get to James’ quite accurate, unbiased charts. I wouldn’t trust charts that come from a site with a clear anti-government bias.
Nor, apparently, can you demean yourself to spend a few minutes cross-checking the numbers for yourself. Why actually attempt to add something to the discussion, when it’s much easier to just be shrill and fire away?
Nice job technically avoiding violating the shun, by the way.
Way to make your point there, Dhoti. Oh wait, you didn’t. You attacked Seth instantly for not liking your charts. How very Dhoti of you.
See below. But, just to be clear, you mean after Seth ignored my data and made some generalized, unsubstantiated, Seth-like attack against my source, right?
^
“He started it!”
How very 4th grade of you.
Typical — it’s okay if one of you does it, right?
seth didn’t ignore your chart – he referred to a different chart with a clear explanation of why. seth makes a good point anyway – the site you linked is more geared towards propaganda than unbiased information, it’s set up of dispersal is the only chart I’ve seen that divides up the cash flow that way, everything else supports the pie chart seth linked.
On a related note, i linked a site for you Dhoti – go study.
You mean the pie chart *James* linked, right? Because through this entire discussion, Seth hasn’t bothered to link to a damn thing, or support anything he’s said.
I just find it interesting that no one’s pushing Seth to do his own research or support his own statements, that’s all.
(And I still think the difference is accounted for by including postsecondary expenditures, but I couldn’t quickly find a data source of the same vintage to double-check. If you have something like that, I’d love to see it.)
Correction: Seth copied and pasted (supposedly) the NASBO mission statement, so I guess he technically supported one statement, partially, even though it was on a tangent anyway.
Dhoti, congrats on finally doing some research and coming up with some decent citations. I’ve decided to unshun you. You’re still a dick, but then, so am I.
In all fairness, I’m going to have to concede that you’ve bested me in this debate. For the record, it really does look like total spending on primary, secondary, and post-secondary education, from local, state, and federal sources is on a par with federal spending on the military.
Of course, in all other wealthy democracies, educational spending far exceeds military spending, which is how it should be.
unbiased? they got their data from a PAC that pretends to be a government agency…
Someone other than Anniee or I posted it, therefore to Seth it’s unbiased.
Which source are you claiming is a PAC pretending to be a government agency, ubr? The Congressional Budget Office or the National Association of State Budget Officers? Because one is actually a government agency, the other isn’t pretending to be.
Here’s the NASBO mission:
# improve the quality and availability of information to state budget offices;
# provide opportunities to share practices across states;
# provide training and research information through publications and seminars; and
# assist the National Governors Association in the development and implementation of its policy positions on fiscal issues.
So what part of that gives you the impression it functions as a PAC?
the CBO or the NASBO? you need to read your sources a little clearer next time… the blog that james posted and you said was unbiased got their data from the ‘center on budget and policy priorities’ which is a political action committee… their name makes them look like they’re not, but they are…
Look at the sources on the graphs. The center on budget and policy priorities published the graphs, but they got the data from the sources I mentioned.
Right. Because 2% of Federal Taxes is definitely greater than 21% of them.
Education is a state-funded gig. More than 21 percent.
Research fail.
You should have made it clear you were comparing state and federal combined funding of education with federal funding of the armed forces. One is a local issue, the other is a national issue. Local funding varies considerably by area, with richer areas choosing to spend quite a bit more on education than poor areas can spend. This creates an unbalanced playing field, with poor citizens unable to get the education that rich citizens get.
Linked is a document you might find useful. (Both here and in the previous discussion — you *are* still cross-checking that budget data, I trust?)
In it, you’ll see that K-12 spending per student per state is not strictly correlated to the state’s average household income or net worth. I also think it’s reasonable to see that income inequality within a particular state doesn’t explain the differences.
So, your assertion may be true for carefully selected examples, but it doesn’t hold true nationally.
It is true that there are many other factors involved, I’ll give you that. In St. Louis, the city schools have been so poorly mismanaged that they’ve lost their accreditation (is that right? It doesn’t sound right, but I think it’s right). But I think it would be misleading to say that income doesn’t play a role. There’s only so much you can do with a little amount of money. In the St. Louis area, the quality of public schooling is usually fairly proportionate to the income level of the surrounding areas. I can’t say it’s 100% true, but it’s closer to the rule than the exception.
Income definitely plays a role, particularly within a district or a city; I won’t argue that. (Though I attended a few public schools that were excellent schools in rougher areas.) But I think it’s much less of a factor at a higher level — while White Plains has better schools than Provo, that doesn’t imply that New York generally has better schools than Utah.
Also, I’ll admit I was being more strident in response to Seth playing the class warfare card out of nowhere. (And because of the little “I’m talking to you but I’m not talking to you” game he’s playing.)
Assuming you’re officially getting off topic, that is. (Again.) I think it was sufficiently clear that the original lol had nothing to do with unequal access to education.
Because PunditKitchen has been historically a forum in which the commenters remain strictly on topic…
Oh look! Bees!
No bees; just a flock of Tamworths passing my second floor window!
Speaking of bees, I’ve seen a lot of swarms of them lately, just swarming around, buzzing. I hope this doesn’t mean I need to be exorcized. AGAIN.
But exercise is good for you!
That’s what the priest said!
But Father, why would the devil want to hide in *there*?
You should take a look at the links Dhoti provided below, as they show a 2005-6 total educational spending of 521 Billion. This is at odds with both the charts you linked to and the ones he linked to previously, which put military spending quite a bit above this figure, while his charts put educational spending at nearly $750 billion for the same period.
Strange, as all these charts claim the same data source. Well, you know what they say, figures never lie but liars figure.
At least this time you performed one second-grade-level mathematical operation before going idiomatic. I guess that could be considered progress.
The discrepancy should be obvious, even to you: the $521B figure counts only K-12 education, while the $750B includes postsecondary as well. Oh wait — the source data *does* make that clear. What’s that, you didn’t click back and read it? Well, no surprise there.
Now that we’ve cleared that up, take that tentative next baby step into a larger world and look up the postsecondary number on your own, see if it makes sense…go on…you can do it…I believe in you…
Don’t forget that ‘education spending’ is a fluid term. It does not just mean ‘local, state, and federal educational spending.’ It means ‘PERSONAL, local, state, and federal spending.’ People with an agenda will try to lump personal spending on education along with all other sources. You might want to look up ‘education in the united states’ on wikipedia for a good overview of the subject.
Link. US Department of Education.
Nothing personal
Why would I take it personally? It doesn’t contradict anything I said.
No. There’s nothing about PERSONAL at the link.
And we DO spend more money on education than defense. It’s just a fact. “State” “federal” whatever — WE do.
Baby steps, Seth. If you had taken five minutes out of your busy day of not thinking to actually *read* the Census Bureau document I posted — I know this is a radical idea, but bear with me — you would have seen the pages and the footnotes where they clearly defined their methodology. Given that information, you then could have — all together now — cross-checked the other data!
Don’t get discouraged if this seems daunting. You’ll figure out how to do all this in time.
And I love how you’re structuring this conversation to avoid contradicting your earlier temper tantrum. Absolutely hilarious. Pathetic, but hilarious. I imagine the cognitive dissonance has steam pouring out of your ears like an old Tex Avery cartoon.
ahh, but how much do you spend on attack?
Nothing for attacks of opportunity.
indeed! attacks of opportunity are completely valid and don’t use up action points for your turn. but the target needs to be in a tangent square on the board.
i think there’s a bonus to damage as well if they’re facing the other way.
first time i’ve really agreed with you Dhoti
On a tack? Well, each tack is only $0.03, but the hammer to hit them with is $600.
the hammer cost $600 because it had to be proven that it will not create shrapnel if impacted with a high velocity round…
Thank you for pointing that out education is overfunded
here’s my thoughts on defense spending…
si vis pacem para bellum
Sorry, I don’t speak Spanish.
too bad it’s latin.
Um, yeah, that was the joke. Sheesh…
I got ‘pacem’ as meaning ‘peace’ from years of choir singing. Is bellum like ‘bella’–beautiful? Am I in the right ballfield…or is it a minefield?
War — “if you wish for peace, prepare for war”.
Ooh, I knew that one! (Why? Because “antebellum” means “pre-war”…)
Guess it was a mine-field then!
Huh. I always wondered what that meant (as pertains to the south).
Yeah, because “Gone with the wind” is always described as being “part-antebellum,” is it not? (I hate that book (Scarlett is a b!tch))
I’ve never read it but I believe you’re right, a chunk of it takes place before the war. Also, having lived in the south I’ve heard the phrase Antebellum Mansions enough times and not really given much thought to what it meant.
We don’t need more funding for education. The Washington DC area is a perfect example of this. They spend an enormous amount of money per pupil and get terrible results. Their voucher program spends precisely half as much money to send students to private schools and gets much better results! Throwing more money at the problem won’t solve anything.
We need philosophical reform. We need to allow competition between schools so the bad fail and the good thrive. We need discipline in our schools and, quite frankly, a focus on the basics instead of politics. Our local school district was taken over by the state so poorly was it doing – but they managed to have students paint and donate to a local agency a mural on global warming.
Competition won’t work in rural communities. The next closest school may be 30 or more miles away, with 35 miles/hour speed zones in between. Never mind the snow season. Competition only makes sense in medium sized or large cities, and in areas of suburban sprawl.
I agree that we need discipline in our schools, but student-to-teacher ratio is a part of that, especially with the little kids. If you don’t believe me on that, go spend two hours alone with four or five 6-year-olds. Put 20 or more of them in a classroom without backup? Crazy.
As for painting a mural–art is a basic, paint is cheap, and working on a mural requires both planning and cooperation. And global warming? I actually know two people who have been in Antarctica in the past 5 years–it is the real deal.
Amen, waiting. More than 1/3 of DC residents are functionally illiterate – but they can brainwash children into political camps, right? One student was so terrified by the ecological nonsense film “The Story of Stuff” that he couldn’t figure out what to do with his legos, which he was sure were destroying the planet. It’s disgusting that kids can be terrified and brainwashed, but they can’t read. The longer a child is in our public schools, the more their test scores go DOWN, as well, which just shows this prussian model isn’t designed to educate but to de-educate. And the more money we keep pouring in (and there is plenty more pouring in all the time – ridiculous amounts) the worse it gets.
I thought “The Story of Stuff” was quite good.
Figures. Except it was utterly falsifiable factually, and nothing short of a completely factually inaccurate propaganda piece. Not surprising you would like it. A lot of the “facts” are outright lies and the rest are spun ridiculously.
Here, try a little reality – via the critique, eh? Link. Critical thinking and fact-checking – what a rush.
I should point out, I didn’t realize I was responding to one of your posts until it was too late. Please don’t take this error on my part as an attempt to engage in any sort of dialogue with you. I said good day!
Instead, SB, you can talk with me if you’d like.
So how was your day?
Not bad, not bad…I had a chocolate milkshake and I’m getting my hair cut done later, all in all not a bad day! How’s you kiddo?
The link pretty much sums it up
Milkshakes… MMMMM….. I got a 40oz bag of Reese’s for my research paper- it’s like massive amounts of coffee.
How much hair loss shall ensue?
What are you writing about?
I dunno, I was thinking about maybe doing something like this – see link
Blergity Blerg. Endangered Red Wolves, for school- which is good, because I want to get a job at one of the Zoos around here. But still. Research= BLERG.
Oooh, pretty- how long and what style is it now?
Word. Good luck to you.
It’s pretty short already but not that short. It’s kind of a messy bob I guess. I probably won’t go that short, but you never know what will happen once I get a couple glasses of wine in me…
Sorry. Sometimes I can’t resist a little link to the irony.
I love the Samberg!
Wonderful, isn’t he?
Problem is, my brother and I keep calling each other Debra and telling my mother that she may be the boss, but that Tyler is the “bawwwss”.
Can you imagine how that doesn’t go over well?
Stay classy, there, SB!
Don’t worry, Anniee. You know this site needs you.
(Not kidding- otherwise this place would be ridiculously boring, full of pun-runs and the occasional troll feeding.)
Anniee – I’m curious to see more on that statistic, as far as cities goes, D.C. is one of the leading in college-level employees but the big problem is a much of the D.C. area is run and worked by people from both Maryland and Virginia.
I know the high school education system was in desperate need of work (but compared to regions of Florida it’s doing pretty well, sad as that may be).
I’m going to do some digging on this now that you got me curious but I’m dubious to believe an article from a site that’s as valid as wikipedia (no offense).
@ Seth
relax man, it’s meant to be humorous ! OK, I admit that this isn’t, but in this this day and age in the UK we need all the smiles we can get
did they die?
Byrd’s comment and the one that follow it are ONLY relevant IF the soldiers pictured in the photo are Americans. But they’re not. They Canadian. Hence the discussion of where the US budget is being spent has zero to do with the picture. Maybe someone needs to pull up Canadian pie charts to make their point? Otherwise, it just looks like a bunch of people arguing for the sake of arguing.
Sorry to interrupt, but wasn’t that the point of their whole diatribe of meaningless facts and fact checking and data bending and data data-ing — I think that they get so locked into gotcha that they forgot to make a point — well excepting maybe the current R.L.T.P.
Your point would perhaps have a point if our tankers seriously rode into battle in this fashion, instead of upon Leopards 2′s and Coyotes. This picture is what we in the frozen north call SILLY, and it is certainly fair game for use in illustration of the point the in the caption.
Canada doesn’t exactly need to spend much on defense, considering we’re right here with our huge nuclear and military umbrella. That’s why they have more to spend on other things that seem fun at the time I guess.
**GASP** you dare mock the mounties? the world’s most elite fighting force!!?
*seizes and dies*
jus’ kiddin.. too much coffee
Nah I’m not mocking them
More power to them.
This seems to miss the point of the particular attempted LOL entirely. How much Canada does or does not spend on defense is meaningless to the situation in question.
canada is ALWAYS the point of any conversation, whether you realize it or not. they are just that sneaky… like cold ninjas with adorable accents.
The main problem with funds for education in the US is the top heavyness of the system. What with all the administrators, and mismanaged funds.
And all of those kickbacks to ETS for those endless tests to ‘prove’ whether or not the kids can take multiple-choice tests. –but I’m not opinionated!
*fu(king standardized testing keeping teachers from doing their jobs the way they want to and students from learning the 3 R’s*
GRRRRR!
My cousin in Virginia said that her 4th graders were stuck doing standardized tests for a whole week, straight. And I thought the SATs were too long!
Except, of course, defense is a legitimate, constitutional function of the Federal government. The Constitution says nothing about Federal funding of education, and specifically says that any power or authority not specifically vested in the Federal government is reserved to the States “or to the People.”
Yeah, ’cause what you want are uneducated people with access to heavy artilery.
Educated or not, they just need to be gullible. How else am I going to borrow a tank come laundry day?
Laundry?
I think the preamble said something about promoting the general welfare and securing the blessings of liberty. Although education must be in a sad state since so many people actually listen to Rush Limburger and don’t even have the since not to repeat what he says. Damn we’re raising some dumb people in the USA.
It’s not just the USA. Europe is not much better. What really lacks in the education is the teaching of basic social values.
A lot of problems are caused by people, and could be easily avoided if people were not so careless. In my school, we attended only one seminar on the dangers of drugs. Riiight, like this one day would discourage us from trying drugs our whole lives!
Kids aren’t taught to think for themselves, until they finish high school they pretty much just have to buy everything society, the media, teachers and the government tells them. But once they’re out of high school it’s too late, most are brain-dead zombies who will swallow whatever a charismatic politician tells them without giving it a second thought.
For example, how many people today think it’s ok to let the Government violate the Consitution in some cases? They don’t care as long as such violations don’t affect them in a negative way, but they don’t realize that if the Government can take away our rights once they can do it again and again.
Personally I think that politicians are aware that uneducated people are better to them, easier to manipulate, and that’s why they don’t really bother to improve the education system. They want schools to produce brainless robots, not educated citizens. Brainless robots work for cheap and accept any form of authority. They want to get our children as close to that as they can. It may not happen so soon, but that’s the direction we’re taking, and we don’t need to wait until we reached the end of the road to suffer bad consequences.
I can’t speak for the educational system in Europe, but in some regards I sort of agree with what you’re saying. I know that there are teachers out there that do try and get kids to open their minds and horizons, but too often there are many that won’t brook any disagreement with what they believe. A case in point, two of my sons ended up dropping out of school and got their GED only because they couldn’t tolerate the attitude of the teachers in the school. If they disagreed with what was being taught, they were reprimanded and given demerits. Thankfully they both are nearly finished with college, so the teachers didn’t damage their right to have an opinion.
Teachers can only do so much. Teachers’ work with students for the equivilent of one hour per day for about 180 days of their entire lives, at least here in the USA. Many of our parents and politicians have given over the responsibility for the education of their children to the government — that’s why they blame teachers and schools for the lack of education, it is easier than looking into the mirror.
I would agree, Charlie. Too often parents abdicate their responsibility in helping the teachers teach. I always took an active interest in the education of my kids, and would often meet with the teachers to try and keep them on track. However, there were quite a few times when even I couldn’t meet the teacher half way because of the attitude coming from them. I will admit that my kids can be pretty headstrong and just couldn’t find a way to compromise (hence the dropping out).
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Sadly, a lot of parents see the school system as a form of child care (which has been noted time and again) and feel that once they send little Johnny/Jenny out the door in the morning their parenting requirements have been met.
Secondary Ed snob! You left El Ed teachers out of your equation there. ;P
You could always buy Peter Griffin’s tank.
*Sniff Sniff* What’s that I smell… is it… incoming flame fights? Perhaps Dhoti is about to denounce liberals while others post silly analogies?
Your post is like a car going 60mph without a lizard in the glove box.
PEW PEW PE….
go faster! AI hearz banjos!!!!
Full disclosure: My father was president of his school’s teacher’s union for 30 years. My mother was also a teacher. Everything I know about education I learned from listening to them – especially when I wasn’t supposed to be listening.
The thing is, the problem with education is far less related to how much money is spent on it, than it is in HOW and on WHAT and WHOM that money is spent.
Spend $50 per year or $50,000,000 per year, either way you still won’t be able to teach a potato long division.
Teach to the middle, and you’ll be leaving the dull behind, and boring the hell out of the bright. Teach to the dull, and you’ll be boring EVERYBODY. (But at least you’ll feel good about yourself, you lousy stinking mainstreamer.)
Bullshit.
I can teach a potato long division any day of the week, although it may not be able to reiterate that to you using a “mouth”.
I CAN HEAR THE POTATOES’ VOICES!
It must be creepy when people make mashed potatoes around you.
French cries!!!
Nice one.
the problem with both the education system and the defense system is that there is too much bureaucracy and waste involved with both. the teachers and the soldiers are the most neglected members of both systems yet they are the crux of both. until we can make both systems efficient we will spend inordinate amounts of money with little results.
Agreed. But you know darned well that some bureaucrat will find a way to create an army of same to ‘design and manage’ the system…and we’ll end up back where we started!
that’s why i dislike government involvement… in anything…
Except that the average family in the US can’t afford a stay-at-home parent, or private school for that matter. And there truly is skill involved in teaching.
And do we have to switch to a mandatory-service system of defense?
mandatory service has worked well for israel and switzerland… but i don’t think it would work at ALL in the US…
Not sure how well the mandatory service has worked in Israel, in that anyone who Hasidim, Lubavitcher or otherwise ultra-orthodox is somehow exempt.
mandatory service has worked well in israel meaning that the people who have served in the military have not come out completely messed up and still believe in the system. they are well trained and highly motivated. i don’t think that would be true if the US instituted a mandatory service policy…
Watch out for the sonic boom!
If that was the US military, then i would say the poster is full of Crabs.
Blaaah, can’t write all of my woes. but Cowlifornia does spend more per student than any other state. And we get the highest dropout rate. Maybe some teachers are to blame. But the parents are even more liable.
california also has the highest tax rate of any state as well as the largest deficit… cali is just ass-backwards…
Yes, but its ass-backwardsness is made up for by its fabulousness.
Fabulosity win?
cali is backwards… in many ways
Cowpie says: If that was the US military, then i would say the poster is full of Crabs.
Full of crabs howso? You are somehow under the impression that US soldiers never clown around in this fashion? Or that the US military wouldn’t be any less impressive if it were managed with the same rigor as the educational system?
hmmm? they can have all sorts of fun! but IF the caption is in relation to US schools… more specifically, the CA schools… then it would be complete crap.
those soldiers would have had 2 tanks each and been paid decent. plus huge benefits and retirements.
dunno if this will work, from the legislative analysts office…
It did work. But now I’m wondering how they define ‘student support’. Because I doubt that it is not limited teachers, aides and ‘specials’ like speech therapists, in other words those who actually work with the students. But then, I’m a bit cynical about education administration…
Link.
Clearly states why education is sometimes hopeless. Thought you might enjoy since you’re online, Viking Gal.
*whimper*
My only hope is that people like that won’t show up in my classroom–or at my hospital bedside!
Eeeexactly.
I was in school when I read that post, turned to my friend and asked him “People like this- they make me wonder if I’d be better off dead.”
Affirmative.
But the returns we get on our investments in each are just so astronomical I can’t even imagine why anybody should have reason to complain…
There is room to complain for there are gross inefficiencies which exist in both. If it were my tax dollars that were being spent in such a fashion, I’d certainly have something to say about awarding funding based upon higher standardized test results, or the odd multi-billion dollar defense project which never gets off the drawing board.
All federal defense-related spending (i.e. including weapons research, discretionary, budget riders, etc -vs- only counting the base budget): ~1 trillion in 2009. Link.
All “federal, state, local, and other” education spending in 2004-2005, per the most recent year in James’ link: $536 billion.
Two points, however: One, these are two different years. Figure at least a 10-20% fudge factor. Two, a ratio of somewhere between 1.6:1 and 2:1 is hardly great, but it’s not the 10:1 or 20:1 the photo arguably implies.
Ari, I haven’t read your link, nor do I truly understand the content of your post, but you are teh awesome.
As ever, you’re the soul of kindness. If there were more people like you and fewer vitriolic old curmudgeons like me, our society would be a much better one. (^_^)
Oh pft, I can be perfectly vitriolic, Ari
Damn, I just read above, man. Didn’t even realize that was up there, must have snoozed as soon as I detected it with my mind-reading abilities. Anyway- WOW! Financial discussions? HERE? I vote we go back to flavoring our insults with Anniee.
Wtf is your PROBLEM, Tyler? What in the hell are you dragging my name from thread to thread for when I wasn’t even HERE? What IS this sh*t? What have I ever done to YOU exactly?
… I’m referring to where they used some of your past insults to insult each other? I thought it was on this thread.
The first rule of fight club is to never talk about fight club.
Now I have to kill you. Shame, really.
James, I haven’t linked the site yet. So far, I’ve only mentioned the *concept* of fight club.
By the way, James.
Linky
You like C&H too?
No, and would you mind just leaving me out of things unless I’m actually IN them? If you want to jump on the dogpile, that’s fine – I can’t stop you, (though there’s no need to be coy about it) – but it might be nice if you didn’t do that.
In actuality, I was dragging a prior thread where your past comments were being used to argue with each other. So, I dragged a thread that you were not on that merely contained comments you have posted before (meaning conversations you were in) into play. Hence Anniee-flavored insults.
And if you’re wondering why the insults would be yours, it’s because of threads like this- unlike quite a few PK users, you seem to come off angry and defensive… Sorry, if that sounds insulting my apologies, just how it appears to me.
We spend ridiculous amounts of money on a failed and failing system (using failure to justify more money spent) of “education” and ridiculous amounts per pupil. Link to a graph using 2001 constant dollars showing the sharp rise in spending in recent years. We spend plenty – throwing money at a problem doesn’t make it go away, though.
To throw in some lol related snark, instead of getting too serious, if the military was funded like education:
There would be 16 administrators supervising the two soldiers.
One of the soldiers would be a pedophile.
One of the soldiers would be blind (not capable of doing the job).
The soldiers would have far better health care an pensions.
. . .
and pensions.
. . .
Well done, LOL Snark
My school will forever be known as “the school where the paedo was”…
It was a shame for the new Rector actually… He hadn’t here two months when the police turn up and lift the depute he was relying on to tell him what on earth was going on…
I must say that, although the (incredibly creepy) guy had all sorts of horrible pictures on his computer, he was at least capable of organising subject timetables properly…
Just saying, but if people were logical about it…
Where would you rather send a child to, the place where rumors of pedophilia are quashed out of hand because “There’s no way XYZ could have done what you’re claiming”? Or the place where the pedo gets frogmarched out the door and dragged to jail, because someone listened and took it seriously before the 23rd report of the same behavior leaked to the papers?
Reminds me of the farmer who mocked a “city slicker” who was checking a fresh apple for “worms” by looking for a hole in the skin. Worms eat their way out from the inside, usually after sneaking in through the flower end.
Where does this idea come from that education is underfunded?
Here in California education is 50% of the state budget. And for that 50% spending we get a 50% dropout rate and test scores in a death spiral. And when you talk to a few teachers you start to wonder if ANY of them are not complete whackjobs.
The REAL reason people are reluctant to spend even more is that we get NOTHING for the extra dollars. AND we’re tired of the lies of the teacher unions. They keep playing the “oh the chiiiiiildren in crowded classrooms!” card, yet all population projections show 100,000 empty seats in California in a few years.
Where are you seeing this information about population projections and empty seats? Our population continues to increase, so that just makes no logical sense.
And yes, classroom overcrowding is a real issue. What advantage do teachers have to say otherwise? It’s not as if funding that would change that would increase our salaries—it goes to building funds and hiring more new teachers. Nice, but certainly no salary incentive for those of us already teaching.
building funds and new teachers? spending goes more towards the bureaucracy that is the tail wagging the dog of the education system…
Well here in Indiana you have separate funds for building and teachers. They changed it a number of years ago to prevent the schools from letting the building fall down around their ears because they were spending their money on other things. However, what has happened is that now if you have money in your building fund it can only be used for that. So you get corporations that either have overcrowded classrooms or even laying off teachers yet they install expensive wrought iron fencing outside the middle school. Things like that. Research has consistently shown that smaller class sizes increase student performance. It just makes logical sense. The less students you have the more time the teacher can spend one on one with the student. Personally I feel that classes should have no more than 15 kids in it for grades 1 through 3 and no more than 20 for grades 4 through 6 but that is on the extreme side of what actual guidelines are and no school system is going to spend that kind of money.
For the record – when I brought up my daughter to rhorho, it was ENTIRELY off-topic because I was curious as to what she’d say about the situation I had blogged about, wherein my daughter was hassled by police for wearing unconventional clothing (and I don’t mean anything immodest – just unconventional. It was in fact a centuries old style of cloak commonly worn in Ireland.) It did not gain me ANY leverage in that conversation or any other to mention my daughter or her orientation, and in fact the only other comments about it have been negative – both by Fister/Froo and now James. I have had no cause to use it for any reason, except once when I mentioned it is something people have to come to terms with in their families and that I leave that to God to sort out. So using it as leverage? No. I absolutely vehemently deny that, and one thing I can’t abide is being lied about. So James, you lose on that one.
Shaving her down and teaching her to speak is directly out of an Eddie Murphy routine and I even clarified that by mentioning the name of the routine “Delirious” and the name of the character in the routine (Aunt Bunny, who he insisted was bigfoot.) But I still find people who hear those things and immediately think of color (odd, since I got the joke from a black comedian) as being the butt of the joke to be the racists. I wasn’t kidding the first time I said that and I’m not now. If you hear monkey and think black, you’ve got a problem. Because most people don’t. KKK meeting my ass. I’m not the bigot against blacks or lesbians, my friend.
James you might want to repost your little rant down here; nesting is getting nasty up there. Not as nasty as you, but nasty
Nasty like -covers mouth and muffles shouted sexual puns-
Sorry, I can’t control my humor sometimes
Idiocy* not humor.
Anyway, I assure you none would have been directed towards you, mostly just disturbing similes.
Mmmm, nasty nesting, hubba hubba!
Nasty nocturnal nesting, yet.
Showing up late to the bar fight apparently, but just wanted to say:
I’m sorry James took a pot shot at your daughter, Anniee. As a parent, I know how fired up I would get if someone talked crap about my kids, so I can empathize with you.
And James, no matter what any of us think of Anniee, what you said was despicable and uncalled for. You don’t like her? Fine. I enjoy going a few rounds with her and would be disappointed if she left. She’s not a bad person. She just has very strong views and a very interesting way of saying things, which clearly I disagree with fairly often. That being said, we do occasionally agree on things. Even if she was just a pure troll out to start stuff I wouldn’t agree with attacking her kid. Okay, I’m done.:-P
For the record, if I had kids, I would let you teach them in a heartbeat.
Will you forgive froofrou already? You and she have a lot in common. You could have some great discussions if you both weren’t so damn stubborn. Sheesh.
Well that is certainly the nicest compliment I’ve gotten in a while, thanks.
I tend to look at each interaction with froo as a new one, but I’m a little leery; she turns on me quick sometimes and I don’t always expect it. The first few posts I made to her were nice ones but I had insulted her friends, so I got bit and I’ve been leery since it’s gone back and forth like that ever since. But I’m not out to get her or anything.
That’s cool.
Your kids can learn that the great sky father visited Barack Hussein Bin Laden in a dream-vision and commanded him to shave down a Yeti, take her to the great white commune in Washington, and use her to birth teh ebil soshalisht state.
Mine will have the advantage of rational teachers who impart actual scientific fact.
and possibly fill their heads with ideas that may run counter to what you think/believe (not saying all teachers are that way, but I’ve run into a fair share that have.) I just hope that you monitor what your kids are being taught, because not all of it is going to be based on fact.
…. That actually sounds like a pretty cool story.
Heh.
Story. Like, fiction and stuff? But she’s posted all those beliefs, and even more outlandish bullsh!t here.
Most of us have.
But most of us don’t triumphantly exclaim: “I’m in yer classrooms, inflooincing yer children and there’s nothing you can do about it and I knew it’d scare you sh!tless!!11!!!!,” either, now do we?
My sky father can kick your sky father’s ass.
She teaches MATH for crying out loud. In public schools. How an when will she get the opportunity to proselytize? Even if she did find a way to bring her politics into the classroom, so what? Kids hear all kinds of different things. It would be MY job, as a parent, to give them an intellectual framework that lets them make sense of all the different opinions in the world.
Maybe you want your kids to grow up to be closed minded individuals who think there is only One True Belief System, but I don’t.
Story problem:
If 16 vestal virgins were leaving for the coast, and the father, son, and the Holy Ghost caught the last train for the coast, how many will still be virgins by the next morning’s first return train?
Link. And perfectly legal to use.
All well and good until she tells by black daughter she looks like an
angry ape …
Gorilla. Or chimpanzee, depending upon her facial structure.
Because that’s fair, since GWB’s made faces that looked chimpish, and why ever would you be offended by that, pitty?
You MUST BE A RACIST!!!1!1! to infer that meaning!
LOL.
Seth, you’re great, and I really do appreciate how you’ve become our resident wildlife rehabber/fish, game, and animal control officer, but everything has a limit.
ROFL. Not “DUH” @ you, pitty.
Just “DUH” in general.
Do you know what we call it when people espouse things they don’t actually believe, in order to incite an angry response? Here’s a hint: it’s not ‘theatrics.’
Where did I “espouse” this?
I typed a sentence, you all did the rest.
…right-o, Anniee Dearest. At least I didn’t turn my kid into a muff-diving fruit bat.
Did I say “I” thought she did? Nope. Her mind had to go there, as I knew it would.
FAIL. You were trolling. You know it. Just admit it. You implied something you know not to be true in order to anger someone. You are a troll.
Eh, so a troll trolled a troll.
I didn’t turn my kid into one. Statement of fact.
Seth, Seth, Seth. Think about her assertion that your minds are taking you there regarding the “gorilla” thing, and thus YOU are the racists rather than Anniee because she doesn’t see color.
Turnabout is not trolling, and you know it.
You started it, though, so it isn’t turnabout.
It is completely disingenuous to claim that you meant what you wrote literally. You admit that you knew how she would take it, therefore, that is how you meant it. You can’t have it both ways.
Look, I agree, Anniee is a pain in the butt. However, she doesn’t appear to be going away. So, what can we do to make her less of a PITA? We can be nice to her. Trolling someone like Anniee simply isn’t going to work, it is just going to make things worse.
But it is turnabout.
She claims not to get how we can’t see that her “observations” about the first lady aren’t at all racist.
My observation wasn’t at all bigoted, either, from MY perspective. Only from the ENTIRE rest of the universe.
Teh medicine! It burnz!
But I get your point, nonetheless.
Eric in STL – I can’t find comments anymore, but thanks. This thread is crashing my browser about now so I’m unsubscribing from this one. Been very enlightening though! Seriously!
No problem. Until next time…
::evil laugh and disappears in a cloud of smoke::
Uh hate to interrupt your guy’s “funding of American defence” debate but…
those aren’t American solders, they’re Canadian.
note the berets and uniform.
Yep, definitely CANPAT camo there. Sadly that rig probably works better than our tanks.
ahem, as someone who’s husband is shipping off to basic in three days, Talisman, you’ve just doubled my paranoia-o-meter.
Thanks.
Hey the cupholder on my computer is broken, it keeps retracting and spilling my :beer: on the keyboard
Oh, you poor thing. Would you like me to carry your cross for a while?
Come work inn the private sector (engineering for me) where we have to contribute to our health care costs and our pensions are a fraction of what teachers get. On, and tenure is just a dream where companies *happily* unload an older, experienced worker in favor of some noob out of college who coulsn’t design his way out of a paper bag.
Huh?
I certainly didn’t say my job was harder or easier than anyone else’s. I was chiming in with the education topic in this thread and what some of the issues are that people have commented on. My job being difficult doesn’t mean I’m saying yours isn’t—why leap to that conclusion?
Complaining about teacher’s salaries is kind of pointless when we can easily see what they make – and it ain’t subsidized housing with a second job at night wages, either – not at the high school level. Maybe if they’re the sole wage earner with several dependents – maybe.
The public school teachers that I know (several) are all working evenings and weekends to do their grading and course planning. There is no time available to take on a second job. They are barely getting enough time outside of their teaching responsibilities to take care of basic life activities like sleep, laundry, and feeding themselves. One of them does paint houses during the 2 1/3 months of the summer break, but certainly not during the school year. Maybe teaching is different in your state?
The average high school math salary in this state is $53K per year – or, per 9 months, with the upper ranges hitting 80K. Considering this is the first year my family has ever broken that barrier (we lived on a single income of less than that for 20 years, and it used to be a lot less) I don’t consider it to be anything approaching a low woe-is-me salary. We certainly don’t qualify for any programs, much less subsidized housing, and that was with dependents and a single income. In a two-income family $50k is more than sufficient for one of those incomes. If people know how to live within their means, that is, which we always did. This whinging is just that – whinging. Teachers aren’t underpaid.
Neither am I claiming they are overpaid, nor that the flaw in education is all their fault – its inherent in the system, and it’s unconstitutional for the federal government to be involved in it in the first place. That’s for the states to decide how they want to handle it – the states and individuals.
By the way, I have been involved in education in this state for decades, and will be teaching rather soon myself (I already schooled my own kids successfully – I’ll soon have others’ muahahah. The reason? The money’s good and I love the subject and am excellent with kids. Go figure.
I don’t agree that it is unconstitutional for the national level of government to be involved in public education. Check out Article 1 section 9 of the US Constitution. All levels of the federal system have a role to play, as they do in many other aspects of life. How can we, as a nation justify a child having less educational opportunities because they live in one state, say Arkansas, verses a more wealthy state, say New York? My wife and i raised our children in 4-5 different states during their primary and secondary years and the vast differences between states verges on criminal. Regarding teacher pay, you get what you pay for… if you want the best and the brightes as teachers, in significant numbers, you have to pay a competetive amount. I’m not saying we should not consistently re-evaluate, however the level of responsibility and requirements that we place on teachers is significant. I find it interesting that after 8 years of teaching my teachers salary is just now on par with my military retirement pay — 50% of what i made in the Regular Army. I teach, because I enjoy it and because I can afford to do so.
What state should I avoid procreating in again?
Better make it at least the tristate area and most of the midwest – I haven’t decided against relocating yet and am considering heading out to free America once I’m done. I’ll be qualified for 49 out of 50 states, so…you’d better leave the country if you want to have kids. Better yet, don’t have any – you’d suck at it.
I knew that would strike terror (wrongly, but still) into some of your black little hearts – that’s why I waited for the right moment to spring it.
…right-o, Anniee Dearest. At least I didn’t turn my kid into a muff-diving fruit bat.
Well, constitutionally you’d be wrong. There is no benefit in having people uneducated but that is simply not the **function** of the federal government, and rightly so. Anything not specifically enumerated in the document (i.e. education and health care) is left to the states and the individuals. Who can do a fine job if left alone to do so and not taxed to death by the fed. There is a separation of powers for a reason – not the least of which is that different states have different needs and must meet them in different ways. Much less individual children, who ALL have different needs, not to be subjected to cookie-cutter “schooling”.
Your comment here is unreasonable and frankly unsupportable. You claim to be a conservative, yet you blame the government for undereducated children. Parents are their children’s primary educators. Talk about brainwashed, your rant is taken straight from the Rush Limbaugh idiot hour.
You just can’t resist, can you? Sigh. Still following the old “eye for an eye” dictum, and not the “turn the other cheek” one, I see.
Hehe, I recognize some of the people on the site you link to. Not the ones holding the idiotic signs. The naked ones.
Tyler, yes, she really is – terrific or just a fact of life, whatever. I love her either way, though sometimes she can be a pain in my royal behind. And I had no idea you were only 16 (but people often say that to her as well – some people just have a way of expressing themselves that is mature.) As a parent and a teacher and an almost-teacher it would have affected the way I dealt with AC to have known that beforehand. It might seem unfair but I certainly go easier on kids than adults. (Unless they’re mine and then I don’t mind giving them a good solid whallop now and again.
)
Agreed. Below the belt, James. And stupid.
ROFL!
I knew that would strike [furor] into your black little heart – that’s why I waited for the right moment to spring it.
@ Seth
The fruit bat doesn’t fall far from the tree.
It’s fun to poke the bear when it tells ME I’d be a lousy parent…
James, you’re not exactly proving her wrong…
Lessee, would ANYONE who posts here be considered a decent parent, then, using *these* standards.
Given time, I can link to where everyone’s poked, prodded and digressed into name calling more than once.
So, your point would be?
James, if you want to hurl insults at Anniee that’s one thing. But it really is low to bring her daughter into a disagreement.
And Dhoti, look up towards the top of this thread. I left you something special.
@Seth
Oh quit being a whiner. I’m not blind, but you seem to be.
She’s obviously enjoying her persecution complex. She’s so deeply involved in it that it truly borders on mania.
If she didn’t like it, she wouldn’t engage. You know that.
NO WIRE HANGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Got enough affirmation yet?
James, so what’s your excuse? Ah, you’re a dick. Got it. So am I. So’s Anniee. But we’ve never brought anyone’s kids into the argument. An apology would go a long way to restoring your cred here. It’s not a war.
@seth
I’m sorry Anniee’s daughter is a muff-diving fruit bat.
Must be really embarrassing at her KKK rallies.
Is that the same James, Seth? He has a different symbol, and I at least HOPE James has a small shred of a heart left.
Although I maintain my interest in NOT GETTING INVOLVED IN THIS ARGUMENT WHATSOEVER I will tell you that I believe that James may post at work and at home with two different emails in the autofill.
*join us, jaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnneeeeeeeeeeee*
*jooooiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnjaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanneeeee*
HEHE.
Not a chance James. You frequently crack me up but this is your sh*t storm and I’m not touching it with a ten foot pole. Besides, I’m a teacher. Attacking kids raises my maternal hackles. DWN and I didn’t talk for about three weeks over a misunderstanding we had when I defended AC (who is a teenager), and I love the hell out of him.
I agree that this thread is a LOT low- bringing someone’s kids into the argument is just plain horrid. And usually, I’m the one who’s the terrible human being.
But, I do have a question for Jane- I’m 16, does that mean I get the occasional bit of free defense too?
Probably. If I feel you’re being unfairly treated and you’re outnumbered. If you’re holding your own (and you usually do) then I see no reason to interfere.
Also, James, was that a Candy Mountain reference and I missed it?
Tyler, I answered you above by accident. This one’s getting long and the “find the reply” button game is getting harder.
Yes, Jane, I believe it was. Although I didn’t notice until you pointed it out.
Grab on to our toonnnngues, Charlie! Bleh!
Janie, you’re awesome.
And for anyone who hasn’t seen Charlie the Unicorn 3 yet, [Linky]
Should I find the lol where several people here said if someone posted about their kids to gain credibility in a particular discussion they were fair game? Although I’m not sure where it is right now, I could go back and find it, if it’ll refresh everyone’s memory.
Anniee posts lots of sh!t for shock value, and shouldn’t be surprised when others do it back. Case in point: shaving down the first lady to make her palatable to the American public. Now THAT’S fu(ked up.
Not my fault her overactive conservationism/psuedo christian values cause he guilt about her kid.
How did I not know about Charlie the Unicorn before now? It’s like Aqua Teen Hunger Force only with unicorns instead of food products!
I don’t know how you made it through, Seth.
You know about f m ylife.com, texts from last night .com
and not always right .com
Right? Take the spaces out of course.
And I quote, from a post in January:
Maybe you shouldn’t mention your children and their ages on an internet forum designed to make fun of serious things if you don’t want them made fun of. This is something we call common sense.
But the rules are different for Anniee.
Whatev.
Have you actually read the Constitution of the US? In the first place, the term federal applies to the multiple levels of government, from the national level, through the states, down to local level, of which the are several different types. Secondly, nothing in the Constitution of the USA prohibits federal involvement in education, read it sometime, then come back and tell me where it prohibits national level involvement.
What is this fascination with Rush Limbaugh anyway? I have no idea what Limbaugh says about education, but I do know I was homeschooling MY children before he was syndicated and I have been involved on the state level with education in this state since then as well. I’ve testified before the DOJ as well as served on committees writing homeschool policy with the DOJ in this state. Sorry, but you have no idea my involvement in this issue, and no idea what I know; I can only call them as I see them. I don’t know what state you live in so I can’t tell you what happens there, but what I’ve seen is exactly as I describe it – not to mention teacher’s unions have been some of home educators’ worst enemies insofar as trying to take their rights away. Other times we’ve had to work hand in hand to stop bad decisions from coming down from above. It goes both ways.
I don’t blame the government for bad schooling – it’s inherent in the system we’ve adopted and inherent in any nationalized educational system; especially those adopted from the Prussian models. I blame the government for being involved instead of letting people and states HANDLE it like they’re supposed to in the first place. Now what’s this about idiot hour and for GOD’S sake what’s this about LIMBAUGH? What in hell does he have to do with my experience in education?
So, despite the hundreds of billions we pour into public education, the government is still only childrens’ secondary educators? That sounds like a pretty good argument for conservatism right there.
I read it through at least twice a year beginning to end so I don’t forget anything. Now you’re REALLY sounding ignorant – YOU read it and get back to me when you understand what a sovereign state is, and what it means that anything NOT enumerated in the document (which would specifically include health care and education) are to be left to individuals and states respectively. Good god, I feel like I’m teaching Civics 101 here. Actually, I am.
I know, Dhoti, that one never fails to stun me. Half our money and most of a child’s waking hours spent on this garbage and they’re still not expected to come out educated? It’s still not their job or responsibility to educate these children despite it being MANDATORY GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED use of our time and money? For 12 YEARS of a kid’s life? As John Taylor Gatto says, it’s NOT designed to educate, it’s designed to pre-empt a child’s most useful time, time that could be spent learning any one of a million useful things, building up communities and families, and spend it drilling them in the lesson of the bells, the lesson of numbering, the lesson of loss of autonomy, submission to centralized authority, etc. Link.
Dream on. However, your off the cuff, knee jerk, sound bite response, while cute, displays your preference for BS as opposed to intellectual thought. Go ahead, consign your children’s education over to the sole authority of the government. Or you could actually participate in a discussion, minus the so-called conservative talking points.
It cost me $20 to teach two children to read, about $100 to teach them through the high school level in all of math (because I liked manipulatives and invested in them) and about the same to teach them to write properly because I liked the workbooks. It could have all been done for the price of paper and pencils. There is no justification for what we spend, none. Not time-wise or money-wise. If you wait until the kid is ready for a subject they can master it in no time, too. I taught my daughter 4 years worth of math in 3 months of dedicated study because she was ready. It’s really. not. rocket. science. We make it far more difficult than it is, making people think they have to submit to this insane system to have educated children. Pffft.
Chill, Eddie. She’s only here for one reason, and you all know that. If you don’t feed her complex she’s likely to take it out on people IRL, so I say “here’s some virtual affirmation that everyone’s out ta getcha, Anniee!!!”
Agree, eddie, now I gotta go cook dinner, so I’ll same my response to the Rush Zombies until later. Hope you’re doing well.
CF
Ah’ve always relied on the kahndness of strangers…
Blanche Dubois, FTW!
ROFL!
James, I do know why Anniee is here, but it still doesn’t excuse bringing her daughter into the discussion. It will only cause any credibility you may have established to fade. I know that some people around these parts strive to be the ‘victim’, but that doesn’t mean we should make innocent parties to the discussions victims as well.
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just sayin’
Meh. I’ve already said I’m a dick, so there’s my credibility. I’m like Popeye.
Thanks all the same.
BTW, who said muff-diving fruit bats were a bad thing? I sure didn’t. If we didn’t have a whole societal subset, the pron industry would be decimated!!
But congratulations, James; you managed to make stormfront and Phelps look moderate in only a few posts. That’s just the kind of dick you want to be apparently.
Anniee, do you know why I advise you to let things slide? Because I don’t want people to have an easy out with you. As it is, folks know they can just toss an insult your way and derail the discussion. “Oh, that crazy Anniee! Nobody pay her any mind, she’s just angry and bitter.” It isn’t fair, but it’s the way things are. Stop taking the bait and you’ll be a better debater.
Seth, for one thing they say that anyway. For another thing I have not been simply returning fire or initiating fire; I HAVE toned it down. If you really don’t see that, I just don’t know what more you expect out of me. I have made reasoned arguments, provided links, and stated my credentials and beliefs as opposed to just flinging out insults – see below where I discuss the DOE (omg I said the DOJ when I meant the DOE LOL – oops) with whats’hisname Foxtrot. Will you PLEASE give me a little bit of f*cking credit once in a while?
I do give you credit, Anniee. That’s why I’ve got your back. You have toned it down quite a bit, in fact, the only time I’ve seen you insult anyone recently is when they do it first.
Oh. Well thanks for noticing then.
NOTICE ME! I always look well when I’m near death…
See, Seth? Doesn’t matter what’s said, it’ll be taken as persecution (case in point — Froofrau) so might as well fast forward through the preview and jump to the main event.
Anniee, is your daughter really homosexual? That’s terrific
James, lay off. Anniee has taken a lot of crap from people here. It’s no wonder she’s got a little bit of a persecution complex, she’s been persecuted. Does she call me names? Nope.
So she has different beliefs. She’s no clanswoman. If you want a liberal echo chamber, there’s sites like that just waiting for a guy like you. Personally, I can’t stand them. I’m here to debate people who DON’T think like I do. This isn’t a game where there are winners and losers. This is a place where people discuss politics.
I’ll say the same thing to you that I say to her: be the bigger person. Don’t start fights with regulars. Trolls are fair game, but Anniee isn’t a troll. She’s not espousing things she doesn’t believe just to piss people off. I may find some of her beliefs offensive or wrongheaded, but that’s my problem.
She’s trying to play fair with people who play fair. And she’s smart. She’s getting better about citing sources and not tarring all liberals as traitors and commies. What more do you want? She’s a person, with feelings just like you and me.
Look, I don’t want to back you into a corner where you can’t admit you’re wrong out of pride. I’ve been a jerk here too, so has nearly everyone, right and left. But I apologize when I’ve been a jerk and people call me on it. So can you. A real apology, not more baseless attacks on her lesbian daughter. It will win you some respect. Everyone makes mistakes, we’re all human, right? So apologize for real and see what happens.
Same Seth; I remember calling Dhoti a jackass.
Still feel a bit embarrassed about that one :/
Didja miss this on the Michelle Obama lol? I didn’t.
I didn’t make that caption, fool. I merely favorited it. If you can look at THAT expression and NOT think “She’s about to eat my face” then more power to you – perhaps you just see a furious, enraged woman (anger is her hallmark.) I see a furious, enraged Yeti whose husband should never have shaved her down and taught her to speak. Her color has nothing to do with it – she could be green and furry and still look like a Yeti here screaming for her banana back. So you just keep crying racist and I’ll keep mocking her, kk? (Your bigotry has been against fat people and lesbians so far; I have no idea how far it extends but you never fail to surprise me the depths to which you’ll plummet, so I’m sure there’s plenty more waiting to come out.)
…and I still maintain I don’t want ANYONE who thinks like that anywhere near my, or anyone else’s, children.
Educator my a@@.
And exactly how do you plan on making that happen? Are you going to sit in on every class your kids have?
Math, Anniee style:
Michelle holds a watermelon just over the edge of the roof of the 300-foot Federal Building, and tosses it up with a velocity of 20 feet per second. The height of the watermelon above the ground t seconds later is given by formula h= 16t2 + 20t + 300.
If it is 9 p.m. when she drops it, when will the watermelon hit the ground?
Extra credit:
How many crosses must be afire for how long and in what radius around the point of impact in order to ensure Michelle will be able sweep up all stray watermelon seeds in a timely enough fashion to receive an extra banana in her rations?
Pfft. As if bias doesn’t exist in the classroom.
Using that formula, and taking the usual (outside aeronautics) conventions that h is positive up, and t positive after DZT, the melon will never land.
Hey paws, I got it from <a ref="http://www.thefire.org/pdfs/8aef8b1bd1f6cc043b95c455bdd25924.pdf"<here.
In your source the formula is h = -16t^2…
Yeah, sorry about that, I had it in superscript but it didn’t stay that way.
Actually, it’s almost funnier if it DIDN’T ever land
FWIW, did you note that the first part was an ACTUAL test question that got the tenured professor suspended fron Bellevue Community College?
Link Yeah, sorry about that, I had it in superscript but it didn’t stay that way.
Actually, it’s almost funnier if it DIDN’T ever land
FWIW, did you note that the first part was an ACTUAL test question that got the tenured professor suspended fron Bellevue Community College?
Link to the article located here.
ROFL. Duplicate comment while attempting to link FAIL!
*swandives from failboat*
Located HERE!
DOJ – Duh, obviously DOE. NJ DOE.
If you’re teaching, will you let me dissect ages-old documents using a scalpel and a clothespin after stealing them from various museums across the world?
Actually, Annie, you are not. You are really not smart enough to do so. Go back and try again, because you missed Artile 1, Section 8, Clause 18. You do know what a clause is, don’t you?
The irony of you posting that little tirade to criticize me for supposedly being knee-jerk is delicious. Did you actually read what I wrote, or did you just see “government” and reach for trusty ol’ rant number 27?
(I wish I could have responded to this last night, but I had to run to make my dinner reservation. Mmmm.)
That’s actually really encouraging to hear. I still have some time to prepare, but I’ve already been stressing about how much of a role I’m going to need to take in my kids’ education. (Fortunately, I have a seriously overeducated wife I can lean on.)
I’m curious as I’ve done some high-school homeschooling myself; are you working sans textbooks? Because I found that to be the biggest expense, even getting used ones online. (And, hey, if you can teach math without texts, I bow to you, oh great math wizard! It’s my weak point.)
Actually, rocket science mostly is math, and I am qualified to comment on the subject, being a rocket scientist.