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  1. Captain Wow says:

    One Squirrel One Cup
    *snerk*

  2. Eric-in-STL says:

    The smoking pregnant lady is gonna give me a fit.

  3. Morelli says:

    The smoking pregnant lady is old news – but what a twit!

    • heh says:

      Yeah, hilarious as this one is, it’s time to give it a rest. It’s been posted and reposted pretty much everywhre.

  4. BAW says:

    I thought that the “Chick” headline was from The Onion, until I read the article. *snerk*

    But anent the pregnant “lady” smoking, how hard is it to understand that everything you put into your body goes to the baby?

    • Slick Wille C says:

      More important than that — how hard is it to abort if you don’t care?

      • Eric-in-STL says:

        Dammit, didn’t we tell you to stop posting while drunk?

        • Slick Wille C says:

          Hey man, I’m sober — and serious :(

          • Eric-in-STL says:

            I’d rather see the kid get adopted by a family who really wants one and can’t have one, or even can have one. There are a number of families in the infant loss support groups wanting to adopt after multiple failed pregnancies who would happily take this woman’s child off her hands. But enough of my soapbox.

            That being said, I thought you were being sarcastic. Sorry. You’re right, she clearly has no business having a baby if this is how she’s gonna treat the poor thing before s/he’s even born.

            • Deep Thought says:

              Boy howdy. Sorry about that, man. This is one of those hot buttons with me. I get split apart between “it’s her own body” on the pro-choice side, and “she’s fu(king that kid up for life strap her down so she will stop being an idiot” on the pro-life side.

              • Eric-in-STL says:

                Me too. My wife and I both get pretty pissed off when we see or hear stories about lousy parents. Oh sure, THEY get to have a baby, but so many deserving parents have to suffer the heartache of infertility or worse, their child dying. I don’t believe in karma.
                That being said, I think abortion is a disgusting practice that in a perfect world wouldn’t exist. But it’s not a perfect world, so I’m pro-choice.

                • Deep Thought says:

                  My heart goes out to you there, man. I seriously empathize.

                  And I totally agree. Abortion is evil: birthing a child you’re deliberately gonna neglect or fu(k up is more evil. Truth.

                  • DA says:

                    Hm. My mom smoked when she was pregnant with me. And she was a lousy mom, too. That said, after 17 fun years at home I made my getaway, and began parenting myself. Now I’m successful and happy, and I bet my husband and three kids are really, really glad your “logic” didn’t fly with her. I know I am.

                    Killing someone is a pretty serious thing. Killing your own child is grisly. Paying someone else to kill your own child is…well, that’s abortion.

                  • Deep Thought says:

                    Oh chill the fu(k out, willya? It IS more evil.

                    I came from the exact came background.

                • eddiepscetti says:

                  I’m not a supporter of abortion either, but I will grant that abortion is a choice. I know several people that would love to have a baby, but aren’t able to.

              • Danbala says:

                It’s her body, but she has a responsibility to a potential new person too. Paradoxically enough, I think between abortion and smoking (and/or drinking or doing other drugs), abortion would be more responsible.

                • Eric-in-STL says:

                  From the sad but true department, I agree with you. Better the poor thing never exist at all than be put through the misery this mom is likely to put the child through in his/her life.

                • Take it easy there, people! My mother (like many women of her generation) smoked all the way through her pregnancy with me and I turned out okay, as did many of my friends whose mothers smoked while they were pregnant. Not to mention the millions of people whose mothers drank during pregnancy (not to excess) before it was determined to be hazardous to the baby.

                  I’m not advocating smoking and drinking during pregnancy, but I think some of the posts on this thread take the point to the extreme.

                  • Eric-in-STL says:

                    There’s a difference between doing it when you don’t know better (like our moms) and doing it when you know it’s hazardous. I don’t take a middle ground on this topic. I think it’s terrible. And like I said, “normal” is a relative term.

                    • viking gal says:

                      I think it is terrible that ANYONE smokes. It is not only toxic to the smoker, but to everyone around them. My grandfather chain-smoked around his family, which has resulted in my mother now having serious lung function difficulties. When you add in the effect of exhaled smoke on passers-by who have asthma…!
                      /rant

                      • Eric-in-STL says:

                        My grandmother died from lung cancer. She wasn’t a smoker, but for decades my grandfather was (until his heart attack) and 5 out of 6 of his kids are. Secondhand smoke kills, kids. Remember that.

                        • Maxwell Silverhammer says:

                          Living kills… until we find that fountain of youth.

                        • viking gal says:

                          We’re not going to get off of this planet alive. But we can have better quality health during our time here, if we do it without the cancer sticks.

                    • Agreed, but I swear from what I hear now there’s just sooooo many things they tell pregnant women to not do, I can almost see going into overload and throwing your hands up. Don’t eat fish? Really? :???:

                      When I was having my kids, they said to give up caffeine. I just cut back. Sorry, guys. I will say, I smoked when I found out I was somewhat unexpectedly pregnant with my first (back in ’85), and I can tell you that it’s still hard to quit even when you know you’ve got the best of reasons to. (Managed to, although somewhat imperfectly…)

                      • froofrou says:

                        You can’t have caffeine??

                        er…….

                        *hides Dr Pepper bottle*

                        • viking gal says:

                          All things in moderation.

                        • Oh, it’s entirely possible that they’ve changed that by now! This was between 85 – 93…

                        • viking gal says:

                          Psst. *whispers* Froofrou. Want some chocolate?

                        • Eric-in-STL says:

                          I don’t think a Dr. Pepper is gonna really hurt you unless you drink a couple gallons per day. Caffeine isn’t great for the baby, but there are far worse things you can do. Like smoke. LOL My wife drank Sunkist for the longest time during her 2nd pregnancy thinking it was caffeine free. Oops. Just stay away from the Red Bull and Rockstar drinks.

                        • froofrou says:

                          Eric: Blegh. I don’t even think those qualify as “suitable for consumption” whether you’re pregnant or not.

                        • Eric-in-STL says:

                          Oh they’re terrible for you. There’s no question about that. And I’d be drinking 3 a day if my wife hadn’t cut me off from them, caffeine junkie that I am. I stick to the Pepsi Max. More caffeine than normal soda, but not enough to give me a stroke at age 31.

                      • viking gal says:

                        No fish? But I thought fish oil was really good for developing fetal brains?!??

                        • Eric-in-STL says:

                          Yeah, I haven’t heard that one. And yes, I hear quite a bit about pregnancy stuff.

                        • I had heard it but didn’t know much because it post-dated my kids…google-fu shows that the issue is methylmercury and PCB levels in some types of fish; basically they advise that you limit fish intake and cut out some types altogether. And no raw fish at all.

                        • viking gal says:

                          Raw fish, that I can see–all sorts of weird parasites are possible, unless a very scrupulous sushi chef is involved. And tuna, mako and swordfish are high mercury risks. But the non-mercury type fish, I think they should be encouraged…or I’ll be seeing some REALLY challenged students towards the end of my teaching career!

                    • Deep Thought says:

                      No. Sorry, but I agree with Eric. Your ability to take care of your baby during pregnancy should be a litmus test for parenthood.

                      • So who’s responsible for doing the testing?

                        • viking gal says:

                          The same folks who test women in Mexican factories for pregnancy–and then fire those who test positive. Cheaper than putting good ventilation and worker safety procedures!

                        • Eric-in-STL says:

                          Funny. Sounds kind of like what happened to my wife while pregnant with our first kid.

                        • Semperfidd says:

                          The government will if the healthcare bill passes.

                          section 1904 of the House bill, which “[p]rovides grants to States to support voluntary, evidence-based home visitation programs for pregnant women and for families with pre-school age children in order to improve the well-being, health and development of children.”

                        • viking gal says:

                          The government used to do exactly that, through the visiting nurses association, if you go back to the 40′s and 50′s. Also the time of doctors visiting patients in their homes when the patient was sick, rather than the patient having to haul their fevered arse over to the doc’s office.

                        • froofrou says:

                          The implication of “we know how to raise your children better than you do and we’ll make sure you’re doing it our way” is there and is scary. That’s hardly the nurse’s association, especially considering that there’s nothing in there that specifically states that these people coming into your house has to have reasonable suspicion of bad parenting, or that they have to be anyone other than a government bureaucrat with just enough sense to come in out of the rain.

                        • viking gal says:

                          According to my mother, who did VNA work for a while back then, the assumption was that there WAS bad parenting. And people who didn’t know about basic hygiene, etc. There also were people who would meet the VNA nurse with a rifle, to chase her off of their property. (this was rural New England)

                        • froofrou says:

                          I will probably do the same thing if someone tries to come into my house and tell me how to raise my kids, lol. I don’t like the fact that the assumption is there. It’s irresponsible to think that every parent needs your help, just as it’s irresponsible to think that every parent doesn’t. For there to be a blanket generalization in this bill that doesn’t spell out when it’s necessary and when it’s just being nosy is scary.

                        • viking gal says:

                          Another thing from ‘back in the day’. A new mom stayed in the hospital for a week after the birth. Time for first-timers to be taught basics by the nurses, for the milk to come in, for jaundiced baby to happen (or not), and for experienced moms to rest up a bit and bond before re-entering the fray with the older kids…
                          Rather different from our current ‘quicker and sicker’ system of sending folks home with feeding tubes and open wounds!

                        • froofrou says:

                          I must have had some kick ass care when I had my first, LOL. Of course, with a C-Section you’re in the hospital for at least 3 days, but during that time I was taught how to breast feed, how to pump milk at home, they made sure I knew how to change diapers and care for our newborn.

                          With this one I’ll be in the hospital 3 days again, but this hospital is known for being good with neonatal care.

                          I’ll go count my blessings now :-)

                        • A new mom stayed in the hospital for a week after the birth.

                          That sounds so, so awesome…. I can see, given the cost of a day in the hospital, why they won’t cover that anymore, but wouldn’t it be nice if they had something like the low-level post-partum wing, which would just be sort of like staying in a hotel with room service and a nursery? *sigh*….I remember getting home with my son after getting one night in the hospital and having to take care of him, the older kids, take care of some household stuff that had piled up over the last week or so (they’d had me on bed rest) and go to the grocery store with all the kids in tow.

                    • But part of it is cultural too, Eric, like drinking during pregnancy (in moderation) is fairly common in many European countries…

                      Anyway, I don’t think it’s a good thing to smoke during pregnancy and if I ever get pregnant I’ll want to live as cleanly as possible, but saying that a baby would be better off aborted based on a picture of a pregnant woman smoking is a little extreme, I think.

                      • Eric-in-STL says:

                        I suppose smoking mom could very well turn out to mom of the year. But if she does, I’ll be pleasantly surprised. Frankly “I don’t think it’s a good thing to smoke during pregnancy” is more than mildly an understatement.

                        • Yeah, I guess it’s an understatement, but people have been smoking and drinking during pregnancy for more years than they haven’t…mind you, I don’t even smoke (tobacco) but I think it’s easy to demonize women for not always making the best choices.

                          Like, my coworker told me a story about her first pregnancy. She went into a 7-11 and bought some ding dongs or something, and the kid behind the counter lectured her on eating junk food while pregnant. *rolly eyes*

                        • viking gal says:

                          My mother tells me that in the 50′s and 60′s, they advised women in premature labor to have a glass of wine, in attempts to slow things down. Of course that is one glass, not the whole bottle!

                        • Deep Thought says:

                          ut people have been smoking and drinking during pregnancy for more years than they haven’t…

                          Uhhmmm… no. Wanna rethink that, SB?

                        • Well it’s only been 30-40 years that smoking/drinking during pregnancy has been known to cause birth defects, right? And people have been smoking and drinking (even during pregnancy) for longer than 30-40 years, right?

                        • Deep Thought says:

                          No. They actually haven’t.

                          Cigarettes and alcohol weren’t mass produced and consumed until the very recent past. Human history is a lot longer than the last 100 or so years, lest you forget.

                        • Right, but just ciggies and booze weren’t mass produced until more recently doesn’t mean that they haven’t been consumed…

                        • After all, they wouldn’t need to be mass produced if there wasn’t a healthy market for them (pun intended) :)

                        • Deep Thought says:

                          But those items were never available in the kind of quantities they are now, so it simply wasn’t possible for a preggo to consume enough to measurably harm a fetus, particularly when the mother was already living in poverty.

                          You’re just messing with me now, aren’t you?

                        • viking gal says:

                          @DT Wikipedia disagrees with you on the history of tobacco use. I looked up snuff, because I knew it was popular in Europe, way back when…slightly edited for PK.
                          Snufftaking by the native peoples of modern-day Haiti was observed by a monk named Ramon Pane on Columbus’ second journey to the Americas during 1493-1496.[3]
                          ….
                          By the 1600s some started to object to snuff being taken. Pope Urban VIII threatened to excommunicate snufftakers, and in Russia in 1643, Tsar Michael set the punishment of removal of the nose for snuff use. However, elsewhere use persisted; King Louis XIII of France was a devout snufftaker, and by 1638, snuff use had been reported to be spreading in China.

                          By the 1700s, snuff had become the tobacco product of choice among the elite, prominent users including Napoleon, King George III’s wife Queen Charlotte, and a new Pope, Benedict XIII. The taking of snuff helped to distinguish the elite members of society from the common populace, which generally smoked its tobacco.[6] It is also during the 1700s that the first tobacco warnings were published, among these, John Hill, an English doctor warned of the overuse of snuff, causing vulnerability to nasal cancers.[7] Snuff’s image as an aristocratic luxury attracted the first U.S. federal tax on tobacco, created in 1794.

                        • DT, I don’t know what we’re debating at this point. It’s a proven fact that large quantities of alcohol and tobacco products can cause birth defects, you’ll get no argument from me on that one. I thought we were debating how long ciggies and booze have been consumed by pregnant women vs. how long it’s been advised against. Even if tobacco wasn’t popularized in Europe until the 1500′s (and VG’s post debates that point) there are still more than 30-40 years been now and then!

                        • Deep Thought says:

                          My point is that human history is a hell of a lot longer than the last couple of hundred of years, in fact, it is measured in thousands of years. You said “people have been smoking and drinking during pregnancy for more years than they haven’t,” which simply isn’t factual.

                          I said the 1500s. I should have said the 15th century. Same difference, really, if you are using 1493 as a start date.

                  • Danbala says:

                    Yes… Taking the point to the extreme tends to be what keeps an Internet forum discussion going. ;p

                    Of course people have been doing all kinds of unsuitable things while being pregnant, and still getting reasonably fine kids. They might have been even finer had they not, who knows?

                    My post was meant in the context of the posts it followed – simply to say that I think abortion can be a responsible course of action if you are not going to do your best for your kid, that abortion is not necessarily worse than the alternative.

                    As an aside, I once heard a woman (a reasonable sane one generally, so it might be true) on the net claim that she had been recommended by her doctor to keep smoking, but cut down as far as she could, during her pregnancy because she’d go into rather severe depressions when she tried quitting, and that sort of stress would be rather bad for the pregnancy too. (She wasn’t the most stable person mentally, again according to herself.)

                    • eddiepscetti says:

                      Wait, what? How can she reasonably sane but not mentally stable? ;)

                      • Danbala says:

                        Oh, bah. I did wonder if someone would comment on that! :) I am quite unsure about various terms for mental fluctuations, but I’d not say someone with depressions and the like would be insane, while I’d say we have some fine specimens among the PK troll family who clearly are, for instance.

                        • eddiepscetti says:

                          Oh, ok, put that way it makes sense.. I was just trying to get my head around what you were implying. Does that mean I could really be sane?

                        • Danbala says:

                          Could be.

                          I suppose the clincher is: Did you actually move to Australia of your own free will?

                        • Deep Thought says:

                          Eds moved to Oz for the penal pleasures. :lol:

                        • eddiepscetti says:

                          I moved here because my wife doesn’t want to live there. And, to get as far away from the ex as possible.. So yeah, it was of my own free will, sort of.

                        • Danbala says:

                          Aha… Then I’d say the “could” stands, but is severly weakened.

                          I mean, how many not dangerous animals are there on that there continent? I bet even horses there have evolved some lethal poison.

                          *nods sagely*

                        • eddiepscetti says:

                          Oh hell, you just had to bring up the horse vipers, didn’t you? We had a herd of the venomous spewing creatures on the street just last week.. oh wait, that was the bogans (i.e. rednecks) that just moved in. Still, horse vipers, nastly buggers they are too!
                          -
                          As for not dangerous creatures, the only one I know of is the emasculated guy across the road. Otherwise, everything is dangerous!

                • Gallade says:

                  Dammit, she’s just a jerk, and surely is going to be a HORRIBLE mother (if she ever gets to make the baby pull through).
                  How the hell can you not quit smoking even for a child?

            • Alex says:

              The sad thing is that adoption is so ridiculously expensive that only the upper echelon of society can adopt.

            • angelic09 says:

              It be wonderful if all people who are looking to adopt would instead look into adopting a child through foster care. There are literally hundreds of thousands of children in foster care in the united states who are waiting for a home.

      • CarmenT says:

        It turns out she is (or at least at that time was) a high school drop-out on public assistance. The baby was born low birth weight, but thankfully otherwise normal. Too bad the poor kid isn’t going to get much of a decent chance in life. :-(

    • Kate from Iowa says:

      Seriously, why is that “Chick” article even there? The Councilwoman’s name is Laura Chick. It’s not the paper that comitted the FAIL, it’s the idiot compiling this “funny” news item.

  5. Big Daddy Will says:

    She’s just mad cause the jack hammer made her spill her beer! And she cashed in her food stamps for it too!

  6. Anon says:

    You can’t buy alcohol with food stamps…Thank goodness. If she really *is* on public assistance however, I have to point out that there are two reasons for her to stop smoking. First and foremost, for the baby. Secondly, cigarettes are expensive. Honestly, controversial opinion here, but I do not think that people who smoke should be allowed to be on public assistance. If they feel they have the money to spend on dangerous habits instead of spending on things such as food and housing, they are not yet in enough of a dire need for govt. assistance.

    • froofrou says:

      Actually, if you do it right, you can buy alcohol on food stamps. You just have to know the right people. Also, in my state, food stamps and child support (AFDC) is contained on the same card, so you’re swiping one card for everything. Albeit two swipes, one to key as TANIF and another to key as AFDC.

      Working at a grocery store and seeing people with better clothes and nails than me buying steaks and name brands when I can’t afford them did more to suck out my soul and faith in humanity than working in HR has done….

      • Eric-in-STL says:

        You work in HR? Oooooooooooh…I’m so sorry.

        • froofrou says:

          The weird thing is, I love my job. I honestly do. But it slowly sucks out your soul in pieces and leaves you a tired, heartless shell of a person who doesn’t think that there is any good left in humanity. You are convinced that everyone is lying because you never get to see the people who are really good.

          But still, as odd as it sounds, I love my job. I love my coworkers, and I truly love my boss. She’s teh awsum.

          • viking gal says:

            Sounds like working HR is similar to what I hear about being a police officer or working in the Emergency room. Except that no one is bleeding on you or shooting…
            I think I’ll stick to teaching!

          • Eric-in-STL says:

            From everything I’ve seen it’s a pretty thankless job where you get plenty of random crap piled up on you. My mom used to do it, and I also don’t envy our HR manager at my store. It’s great that you love your job, soul-sucking and all.

    • Rafiq of the many says:

      What about alcohol? What about Cable? What if they occaisionally eat McDonalds?

      People on PA will always do stupid things, PA is not meant to allow them to continue, however it is there to help people buy necessities despite their lack of will power/common sense/respect for themselves. The food stamps she gets will allow her to feed her kids, the Section 8 apt. she lives in will give those kids shelter. To me, making sure those kids have the basics is worth it, even if she still smokes.

      Btw, do we really want to start drug testing every person who gets gov’t assistence? I can tell you the cost will greatly outweigh any benefit.

      • BAW says:

        It has been suggested here in WV.

      • Expensive and probably a waste. Quite honestly, I don’t think our state’s human services can handle what they’re doing now, much less add drug testing to the load. They’d screw ‘em up, there’d (have to be) some type of appeals process, which would be bogged down because everyone who failed would claim it was a false positive…..like most government programs it would quickly collapse into a clusterfu(k.

        • And even if the testing process went smoothly, it’s not like it’s that difficult to pass a drug test.

          • froofrou says:

            Some of the geniuses we get here actually think that our nurses will buy that they pee blue.

            • viking gal says:

              We’ve had college seniors fail internship-related drug tests…that they KNEW were coming!! Sigh…

              • froofrou says:

                Pee blue, pee at 78º, pee in a weird apple juice color that smells suspiciously like apple juice….and that the meth that shows up on the drug screen was because they drank some cough syrup right before they took the test….*sigh*

          • Lol…yeah. Although from what I’ve seen it requires a little more organized thought than our local typical public assistance recipients seem to have, to put it kindly. Hell, school started Monday and half the poor kids will be trickling in between now and the beginning of September because their parents missed the fact that school started….(Really. I know, it’s sad.)

            • :-) In other words, what Froo said.

              • Deep Thought says:

                Funny — I thought it’d be the opposite, and that these folks couldn’t WAIT to foist their rotten little bastards back upon the teat of the state.

                Incidentally, I’m convinced that without public education there’d be a lot more dead kids. Death by braticide.

  7. Grimmiekins says:

    bitter troll fails to understand the problem
    bitter trolls mama both used jackhammer and smoke while takeing kick boxing classes while he was just a bitter bun in the oven.

    bitter troll turned out fine

  8. Bobby says:

    Is it just me or were all of the news entries on that site posted months ago on criggo?

  9. John says:

    Roanoke is my family’s home town.

    *facepalm*

  10. Eric-in-STL says:

    *stops snorting*
    WHAT? Oh crap. Anyone want this?

  11. Jane St.Clair says:

    Let me tell you about my naive innocent 18 year old self. I’d never done any drugs at all and I’d only tried to smoke a cigarette once because my brother told me he’d pay be a dollar. So the summer before my freshman year in college my mom and I get jobs at the local Duncan Yo-yo factory to save money and they required drug testing on all employees. The morning of the test I got up and went to the bathroom because I had to go really bad. Consequently I didn’t have to go when I took the test. So I’m freaking out because the nurse must have lectured me for about five minutes that I had to fill the cup to the line so finally I just made up the difference in water from the sink.

    You should have seen the look on these women’s faces when my mom tried to convince them that I wasn’t a druggie, just an idiot. The thought my mom was so clueless.

  12. bitter troll says:

    awwwww

    poor jane…we know you not druggie

    -hugs jane…then gropes her a lil-

  13. Deep Thought says:

    *pats down*

    Drruuuuugggzzz….

  14. Jane St.Clair says:

    *has a funny feeling on her insides*

  15. Deep Thought says:

    *runs a feeler up your thighs*

  16. bitter troll says:

    we here to check pipes…yesh yesh…-wearing giant 70′s afro wig-

  17. Jane St.Clair says:

    *breathy voice* I don’t remember calling for a plumber…

  18. bitter troll says:

    me name is mario….DT here is luigie…mama mia!

    -whistles the super mario theme while gropeing-

  19. Deep Thought says:

    Dahhhhmmmm right.

    *browm chicka browm browwwmmmm*

  20. Maxwell Silverhammer says:

    No dear, I called for the plumbers.. And they’re on the wrong floor… floor 69 doesn’t have any waterworks.

  21. Deep Thought says:

    Oh yeah, but 96 does!

    *flips janie*

  22. bitter troll says:

    -kicks a turtle at max- stop mess with me 3some…now take off your pants and join or shut the door and grab the camera

  23. Deep Thought says:

    *chomps mushroom*

    Dooooddes…. take over, Max, I’m outtie 5000.

  24. Maxwell Silverhammer says:

    In the words of Shredder, “Tonight I dine on Turtle Soup!”

    And by the way… this is the clone level…
    *flips on the lights to illuminate a warehouse full of Jane clones*
    You see boys, when you take on a forced wife, you get forced DNA and gene samples…

  25. bitter troll says:

    you sampled gene?

    ewwwwwww how was he?

  26. Jane St.Clair says:

    *snuggles into Max’s giant bed in the Fortress of Doom while her clones entertain/annihilate bitter troll and DT*

    Whenever you’re done, dear, I wouldn’t mind some of your time!

  27. Maxwell Silverhammer says:

    It’s like I always say: “When you find the perfect woman, hold onto her….. then clone her and use those clones to take over the world!”
    And now to more important matters… coming dear!

  28. Jane St.Clair says:

    Not yet, but you will be. ;)

    *closes and locks door*

  29. viking gal says:

    *brings truck-load of pots and pans outside the castle du Silverhammer*
    Anyone for serenading Max and Jane’s hide-away?

  30. Maxwell Silverhammer says:

    Sound proof walls my dear Viking Gal… and its for your benefit not ours…. Trust me.

  31. viking gal says:

    Oh, my neighbors have their own appreciation of soundproofing…or they would, if I didn’t!! ;)

  32. viking gal says:

    Just be kind and make sure you aren’t in the only path of entrance for a building. For those of us with lung issues, that is. (I’m a Star Trek red shirt, if the swine flu gets really going!)

  33. Jane St.Clair says:

    This is pretty much my mom’s argument, just with a bit less witty banter and a bit more b*tchiness. I’m torn because for the most part I agree with her but she’s also my mom and I love her and wish she’d quit. At the same time she’s vehemently anti-drinking and I do think that we over look the dangers of alcohol in all the shiny press cigarettes get.

  34. viking gal says:

    Alcohol does have a low lethal dose, compared to the ‘effective’ dose. And it has been shown to increase blood pressure–toxic to the heart, perhaps? The BP study showed that folks with high blood pressure, who did not respond well to medicine, were all drinkers. And those who did respond well to meds were tea-totalers. So yeah, alcohol has its issues. I’m a bit less attentive, due to the lack of alcohol issues in my family…

  35. Maxwell Silverhammer says:

    I’m still waiting for them legalize medicinal marijuana in my state, I cant take pills due to a certain gag reflex I developed from my one and only pill experience in college.
    I took a prescription Oxycontin for someone who weighed in excess of 300 lbs. After a 32 hour period of being what appeared to be a living zombie, my body rejects pills upon contact in my mouth. I have to take Tylenol with a full glass of water to make sure I don’t “urp” it back up.
    My doctor told me that as soon as pot’s legalized, Ive got a prescription for my anxiety, since I have extenuating circumstances with prescription pills.
    Till then… the smoking helps with that.

  36. viking gal says:

    My BF briefly chewed tobacco. And realized it was a bad idea, and switched to nicotine gum. He’s still addicted, 20 years later. And he’s another guy with pill issues, although I think less serious than yours.

  37. Maxwell Silverhammer says:

    What we need to find is some kind of non pill, non toxic, super awesome depression/anxiety/suicidal panacea…
    In fact… I’ll have to get right on that.

  38. eddiepscetti says:

    My only real complaint about smokers is as VG said, standing at an entrance to a building and puffing away. Otherwise, do what you want. Oh, and I will crack it when I see someone smoking in their car 1) with kids 2) they toss the butt out the window. I think anyone smoking with kids in the car should be b*tch slapped into a coma.

  39. Deep Thought says:

    Especially considering federal funding went to pay for digital receivers so even the poorest of the poor could still receive federally funded PSAs warning of the dangers of smoking. Anyone who tries to say they were unaware of those dangers is either a liar, a whackjob, or both.

  40. bitter troll says:

    wait…smokeing is bad for you?

    enough of your liberal lies!

    stop trying to put american tobbaco farmers out of business!

  41. non-smoker says:

    To the “polite” smoker – the other day, husband and I were sitting in bumper to bumper traffic. Our windows were UP, but the lady in front of us had hers down, and was smoking. And we could STILL smell it.

    So having YOUR window down doesn’t do jack squat for the rest of us.

  42. paws4thot says:

    My experience – I’ve been walking down the street (open air) and still able to smell the cigarette of someone walking 20 feet in front of me (and back to me, so I can’t see the cancer stick). Smoke travels, and far further than you realise.


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