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First Bush was Hitler, now Obama is Hitler.
Let’s clear something up right now. All U.S. Presidents are gonna have some bad ideas, regardless of which political party they’re in, but until they decided to kill 6,000,000+ people for having “inferior genes” let’s hold off on the name calling.
(Adolf Hitler)
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Good call!
Amen!
Isn’t 6,000,000 like, 7 years of abortions in America?
Oh good, the new troll we ordered is here. I’m the only one still up, so I guess I’d better sign for it. Just put it down in the corner over there, that’s fine.
Does 6,000,000 like’s equal 3,000,000 for sure’s or ya know’s? Is a for sure worth .5 like’s or is it a double like? what happen’s if you use like, ya know? Stop me please, the school year just started and even my new crop of high school freshmen aren’t this dumb.
You’re a teacher?
What class?
Can I come to your school? I promise to learn the course and do well on all the tests, even if I do miss some of the repetitive homework.
Homework… we don’t need no stinkin’ homework!
Or Badges. We don’t need no stinking badges either.
What kind of a teacher uses apostrophes for plural nouns? =-O
a math teacher?
A sarcastic one.
Its a contraction of stinking. See the ‘g’ was taken away. Its proper grammar. I’m guessing English or History.
Uh… maybe the smart one? ‘Like’ is not a noun, neither is ‘know’. Besides which, when you are saying x number of a SINGULAR word, you would not say ’3,000,000 likes’ because that would imply three million of the word ‘likes’, rather than three million ‘like’s!!! I’m fourteen and I’ve known that since third grade… It scares me how stupid my peers and several adults I know can be…
Nice try, but in this case what is being engaged in is referred to in linguistics as ‘nouning’ where a verb that is not normally considered a noun is used as one and is treated as one. A good example is in baseball where you score runs. Run is distinctly not a noun but has been ‘nouned’ in order to be used the way we do. In this case, like is being used as a noun and counted and therefore standard pluralizing would be correct and would follow standard English pluralization rules.
You curiously aknowledge that fact by saying 3,000,000 likes would implu three million of the word likes, which is precisely what charlie foxtrot was suggesting. The result is something we call humor which appears to have been lost on you.
Aremis
sorry but there is no such thing as nouning and a run in baseball is a noun it is what they call a score or a touchdown both can be actions but are also nouns because a touchdown can happen and it can be stupid teachers are you smarter than a 5th grader not more power to the eight year old go back to school teacher. just because you’re a teacher doesn’t mean you know everything it just means you knew enough or cheated enough to pass.
The point is that using ‘like’ as a noun is totally valid in this case. And there very well is such a thing as ‘nouning.’ If you don’t know or understand a word, that’s fine. People don’t come here for intellectual debate. I get that. But if you criticize someone’s grammar and your criticism is wrong, I’ll point it out. And if you tell me that a word I used isn’t real, I’d expect at least some explanation for why you think that.
If you don’t have and reason for telling me there’s no such thing, I’d suggest you just not say it. Knowing when NOT to pick fights is a handy way of avoiding getting in over your head.
As for teachers, I know you probably think they’re some kind of soulless dictators. Most of them are well aware that they don’t know it all. But most of them know more than their students, at least about the subjects they teach. They aren’t there to torture you. Generally, they just don’t want you to screw up your life. And when they make statements like Charlie Foxtrot did, it’s usually out of frustration for seeing so many smart kids intentionally blowing it.
School is all about choices. Yeah, a lot of jobs don’t need a full high school education. But if you don’t have one, those are the ONLY jobs you can get.
Cool story bro’s.
Wow, grammar Nazis aon a picture of Hitler!
Ahem… Source: Gilbert, Martin. Atlas of the Holocaust, 1988, pp. 242-244.
The number of victims depends on which definition of “the Holocaust” is used. Donald Niewyk and Francis Nicosia write in The Columbia Guide to the Holocaust that the term is commonly defined as the mass murder, and attempt to wipe out, European Jewry, which would bring the total number of victims to just under six million — around 78 percent of the 7.3 million Jews in occupied Europe at the time.
So just under 6 million. He missed the “Just under” part. Sry bout that.
+35 million russians
You misspelled “Jewellery”.
And you misspelled “jewelry”.
That, or maybe they’re British…
Actually, I believe he did mean Jewry, it’s a relatively outdated term for the Jewish people as a group around the world.
understanding wit fail.
wit fail.
Yup. Agreed.
Based on your constant misuse of apostrophes in order to pluralize something, a lesson most learned well before high school, I’m going to pray you’re not an English teacher.
Who CARES about spelling and/or grammar? Didn’t you get the message?
I hope you don’t teach English.
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Good one, rando
Eastman, he came out of the East, to do battle with the Amazing Rando!!!
OMG Andy, now I must go watch MST3K: the Movie!
Heh, that Rando stuff kills me. I’m sorry but RANDO will be doing all the magic in this movie!
“Those handles are magnetic.”
And if your body was made of metal that would mean something.
So you’ve covered most of Bush’s term in office…
Yeah, I wonder how many were during Reagan’s term as well. All the MURDER going down during the Republicans’ reign.
Hate to tell you but WW 1 was fought by Woodrow Wilson, a progressive Democrat. WW 2 was fought by Franklin Roosevelt THE New Deal democrat. Vietnam was started by Kennedy and escalated by Lyndon Johnson another Democrat.
I think you’re confused.
I know, where on earth did that come from?
I hate to tell you but Ricky Martin sang Livin La Viva Loca.
I love non-sequiturs.
I mean that MUST be what you were doing since what you said had no relevance to the discussion. Yes, Woodrow Wilson and FDR both fought AGAINST Nazi’s, what is your point? Why is this relevant? You seem to a be arguing in favor of Democrats and thus Obama. But then you throw in Vietnam which has nothing to do with Nazi’s but somewhat to do with Communism, the other “great evil” Republicans have been throwing around lately.
So obviously in order to respond to your comment appropriately I am forced to resort to the Chewbacca defense.
Ladies and Gentlemen of this SUPPOSED website, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!
Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this post? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this post! It does not make sense!
Look at me. I’m a smart guy, a leader of my community, and I’m talkin’ about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit!
Woodrow Wilson fought against Nazis? What history books are you reading? The Nazi Party wasn’t even created until almost a decade AFTER WWI. Before you try to sound smart, read something.
Fighting a war against Germans does NOT equal fighting a war against Nazis.
Thank you, Brad. As I was reading this I was thinking it, and then I read your response. Well done. Here’s a tip for people who want to post “facts” on the internet. You are on the internet. Do a little research to make sure that you’re claims have some actual truth to them. Thanks! Have a nice day. Oh, and by the way…Everyone always quotes that 6 million people were killed in the Death Camps, but the total was actually over 11 million. It is estimated that there were 6 million Jews killed, but there were also millions of Soviets, homosexuals, Jehovah’s witnesses, and other minorities that were killed as well.
Whoops! Should be your where I wrote “you’re”
Thanks, Shaun! ‘s pretty refreshing to think that some of youse guys can re-read and acknowledge an “oops!” moment.
Willird
Nobody seems to rememeber the 60 million killed in the soviet union -way before the Führer appeared in the political map- and which went on up to Stalin’s death in the 50s. And instead of libeartig the russians of someone at least 10 times meaner than Hitler (60,000,000 vs 6,000,000 or 11,000,000) Stalin was rewarded with the support from the allies.
Wow, I think you’re missing all the bits in between where Stalin threw his support in favour of the Allies instead of the Axis.. True it was self interest for him, but it was self-interest for us to have them on our side.. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
If Hitler had decided he wanted to join the Allies… Things would have been different.
Alright… you’re also forgetting the numerous attempts Himmler and Hess made to negociate with the allies. “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” Whad did the germans do to the US? What f*** Axis? Mussolini was just a burden for Hitler, besides japanese and german NEVER fought together. What support are you talking about? Roosevelt started secretly sendeing war material to the soviet union since 1940 or so.
My reading comprehension might be off today, so I apologize if that’s the case, but did I miss the part where you had a point?
I think that I said words to that effect up above, but don’t confuse us with facts, please.
Facts, shmacts.
Wait; does this mean Rickey Martin was Hitler? I’m so confused…
Bravo. Thank you for reminding the public that the death camps claimed the lives of others beside Jews. Three members of my grandfather’s family were confined in work camps for insidious slander (criticizing the Regime) They were arrested as being “Anti Community Minded. In 1934 70,000 German citizens were arrested and charged with such.
Only the Jews count. If you don’t believe me, look at their memorials.
Still sound a little bias… so what if Chewbaka like to be around small people? Get over it people… if animal can do it, we can too.
mic?
Ummmm… WW1 had Germany on one side, true. But it was a monarchy at the time and… ummm… the German National Worker’s (Nazi) Party was nowhere near being in control.
Just… ummm… pointing that out.
I hate to tell you but Ricky Martin sang “Living La VIDA Loca.”
If I am not mistaken we bailed out the French in 1954 under the Eisenhower administration and I am sure he was not a Democrat.
Well, in the case of World War Two, F.D.R was the president, but it was Eisenhower who was one of the major commanders. A five star general who organized D-Day. He was president 15 years later. And yeah, a republican. Also, in the recent past, The last two wars this country has fought, the gulf war and the war on terror, were started both by republican presidents. Both started by bushes two. So there you go.
Also, I love the picture. For the Win
You are aware that both Wilson and Roosevelt resisted for some time entering either of those wars in the face of very strong Republican criticism, right? Don’t confuse a coincidence in historical timing with democratic warmongering. In both cases, the Republicans were the hawks.
I’ll grant you Vietnam, however. As a democrat, I’m no happier about that than I am about the number of democrats who voted to enter the recent Iraq War. In that case, while Eisenhower cautiously commited 900 military advisors to train the South Vietnamese military, it was Kennedy who failed to heed Eisenhower’s warnings of impending disaster should we fully engage.
Aremis
Aremis
America entered WW1 in April, 1917, 20 months before the war ended, because Germany was attacking American passenger ships with submarines. America entered WW2 after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. America entered the Vietnam War because we didn’t want Vietnam, a French colony, to become Communistic. They were all justifiable.
Actually, abortions were at their highest during the Reagan Revolution (Reagan and Bush Sr.). http://www.nrlc.org/ABORTION/facts/abortionstats.html
By the way, those are NRLC’s numbers. They may be counting the morning after pill for all I know.
You people are sofa king stupid. Abortion is a Democratic agenda not Republican. And to finish the whole Hitler thought, it was more like 16,000,000. Much as they don’t want you to think about it there were 1.6 times as many blacks and poles and gypsies and such “undesirables” murdered in the camps as there were jews. Use this box for more than showing the rest of us your own ignorance.
Actually, abortion isn’t an agenda, the freedom involved is a Democratic agenda.
And I’m pretty sure that the Dems work to make it a lot easier to raise an unexpected child. Republican’s only care about it for 9 months. After that anything such as healthcare, education, or job training that may make it possible for the family to raise the child to be a productive citizen is labeled as socialism.
Bravo.
Also, if “the truth” had any form of reading comprehension he would know that we weren’t saying that abortion was a Republican issue, merely that just as many abortions occur when there has been a Republican in office as when there was a Democrat.
There seems to be rather high number of drive-by trolls who don’t seem to get what we’re talking about. If you can’t follow the conversation, people, keep your pie hole closed.
but how we suppost to get pie in??
We could inject the pie intravenously.
I volunteer!!
*rolls up sleeve*
Wait, do I get to choose the flavor? I like pumpkin a lot and lemon meringue, and apple, and cheery, kinda so-so on blueberry and strawberry rhubarb, I can only take key lime in very small slices…..
OMG YOU’RE A SoCIALIST AREN’T YOU?!
Well said.I applaud thee.
Oh PLEEEEEASE, thank you Dems for the world of single parented children, I really appreciate everything you have done to help create and entire class of entitlement citizens. THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!
Republicans care. They care that we are creating a world of people with their hand out. I can speak to this as I am one of those single parents who is not getting aid from my government. I make less than the current poverty level. I am raising a sucessful, productive human being that understands that if he wants better in life he will have to WORK for it, in school and out. He has respect for his elders, he understands giving to his community, and understands that his life will be an amalgom of the choices he makes. There isn’t and cannot be, someone always there to pick up the pieces. God, and the world, can forgive you your sins, but they cannot protect you from the consequences of your actions. There is NO level playing field in life. Suck it up, pull up your big girl panties (ruffles in the back) and do the best that you can.
Amalgam… And she’s right. You only care about it until it’s born. After that, helping it is a “hand out”, by “evil Socialists”, for “shiftless losers gaming the system”.
Well, sure it’s a handout… (free=handout?)
Free stuff is good, as long as the giver gives voluntarily.
The problem is the system is making charity mandatory. (that’s socialism, btw…)
HOLY SHIT ARE YOU SERIOUS?!
Socialism doesn’t make “charity” “mandatory” you moron. People who are selfish and don’t want to help others call it “charity”.
And “forced charity” isn’t Socialism, read a book for fukc’s sake.
ha, caring is not giving to the point of creating a wholy unproductive entitled human being. Let’s be honest, the current government run system is a joke. Generational wellfare families, shiftless, useless monsters created by the system that hemmed them in with their “caring” gimme programs. You, nor I have any right to believe that the “fine” life is something we are entitled to. I don’t really care that you didn’t get the sneakers you wanted when you were growing up. Go out, get a job and earn your own money for sneakers. There is pride in a well cleaned toilet, there is pride in working for a days pay. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY is a foreign concept to the liberal left and I for one am sick to death of the whole give em a break, they’ve had a hard life mentality!
Personal Responsibility is a foreign concept to the liberal left? Really? THAT’S your move? I myself am a proud Dem, but growing up on a farm, one learns about as much personal responsibility as there is to learn. If you don’t go out and spray/prune/mow/harvest on time, you don’t eat. Never mind if nature throws a curve ball in the form of a hail storm.
When it was time to leave, getting to college did indeed mean I needed to do well in school so I could score some federal financial aid, which apparently is the part of socialism that is just fine? Not to mention my family needed to rely on a federal program for school lunches, too. Is this the part where I have no personal responsibility? Don’t even worry about going home and working all day, that doesn’t count, because I have no personal responsibility. Take your high-and-mighty act and shove it. Having the good sense to take advantage of those resources available to me does not make me devoid responsibility.
Ha, whoops! “devoid OF responsibility. “
Yes wallow in the pride of your hard days work however, just don’t even think about joining a union to help get you better benefits, health insurance or a pension. Whatever you do, do not get hurt while cleaning said toliet….suck it up and take some personal responsibility shiftless monster.
woops, amalgam
I hope that you are not even remotely suggesting that only democrats are single parents.
One does not become King of the Sofas by being stupid.
Its funny how Conservatives fight so hard to get a fetus into the world, reguardless of how that fetus was concieved. But once that child is brought into the world, these same people will not help to provide for the unwed mother, or crack addict mother, or abused mother, or simply the underage mother who can’t afford to care for a child. Nor do thay want to help provide health care for the child or mother. Once that child is in the world, most conservatives don’t care what happens to the child. Abortion is much more a consrvative “issue” than a liberal “issue”…..used only to polerize themselves from liberals.
insane comparison. The only way to compare is by percentages, What percentage of Jews/Poles/homosexuals etc were killed by the nazis. It is pretty obvious by looking at this that the Jews were targeted more than any other group (except maybe gypsies in some areas). Poles were killed but there was no plan to annihilate all of them, homosexuals were often ignored and could also hide their identity more easily and there were not very many blacks in Europe at the time. I don’t think there was a ‘wansee conference’ for any other group apart from the Jews (though I am not sure, I’ll be honest) and just a glance at Hitler’s rants and writings shows he was more obsessed with the Jews than any other group.
did obama tell people they should get abortions?
no.
Does he advocate the killing of baby’s?
no.
I am pro-life but I’m also a realist it’s the pregnant woman’s fault she got the abortion, not Obama’s.
and it’s not like bush made abortion illegal
obama supported partial birth abortions so how can you say he doesn’t advocate the killing of babies? obama says one thing but his actions show the real person.
I’d like to take this opportunity to introduce my new persona. *twirls around* How does it look?
-cheers-
yay! you look very nice!
Thanks bitter! That’s why you’re my favorite troll!
good, bitter troll was worried cause when you sleep, bitter troll rubs your face with his ballsak
Do NOT make me tell charro that you’re cheating on her!
-pouts and kicks dirt- ok…bitter troll sorry..will stop tea bagging you in yoru sleep
But I plan to keep teabagging bitter troll in his sleep. Just wanted to make that clear.
-sleeps with mouth open-
zzzzzzz
-Stuffs Eric’s mouth full of actual teabags as he teabags bitter troll-
Ugh, nasty, I HATE TEA! Why would you do something so disgusting??
Oh…right.
WHAT’S GOING ON HERE?!
I didn’t want to be the one to tell you, but…well, your troll has some homosexual fixation with me. I’m sorry charro. *sigh*
*has a sad*
-wakes up and looks around- who wha where nipples? charro why so sad? bitter troll was sleeping…what lil hairs in my mitter mouth
bitter, dear, you have homo-erotic relations with Ivan in your sleep apparently.
Not too shabby, Ivan!
Atheists must have a better vision-care plan than chefs who work for Bitter Troll. Help me out with what’s written on your sign there.
It says “The guy behind me can’t see”. It goes with the “Annoying” name I used to have.
I’m pro-choice myself and I have so far not contributed to a single abortion.
And I wouldn’t ever be anti-choice in the “land of the free home of the brave”.
Isn’t being pro-mother’s choice being anti-baby’s choice?
Either way you cut it you’re still a hypocrite and you condone murder.
There is a major difference between allowing a medical procedure to be preformed and ordering genocide.
No U.S. President has ordered anyone to get abortions. Legislation only allows it, it does not mandate it. Everyone has the choice to give birth or abort. Stop blaming government officials for the choices of private citizens.
We are giving the choice, and that in itself is awesome.
*golfclaps*
Bravo!
Heck with the golfclap…three loud hardy cheers!!! Bravo !!! And a round of applause to the original pic!! Yeah!!
Giving the choice of whether or not to kill a living creature! Yaaay to have the ability to legally murder your own offspring! Hell yes!
I’m sure Jefferson was exaggerating that part about unalienable rights and stuff…what were those again? Let’s see, the right to liberty, the pursuit of happiness…what was that third one? I forget! Oh, well. It’s probably not important anyway, we can just forget about it!
While we’re at it, can we be given more choices and freedoms to live in the happytastic world where everyone can do whatever the hell they want? ‘Cause I’m totally up for having the choice to murder someone who’s able to defend him or herself and speak for him or herself and stuff; you know, outside of his or her mother’s womb.
And then I’m going to dance naked in the streets yelling all sorts of creative and politically incorrect profanities while firing machine guns, because being a functioning member of a civilized society doesn’t matter because my personal freedom is more important than the freedom (and eyesight) of everyone else!
Whooo, free tickets to the handbasket express!
(I’m normally not this rude or insane, but I’ve been listening to too many of these debates. And it’s like 1:30 AM at the time of this posting so IIIiiii’m a tad on the exhausted into a state somewhat like drunkenness sort of state. Sorry if I offended anyone too badly, I guess. Not sorry I said it, just sorry that I offended you. I’m just sick and tired of people arguing one side or the other to death and acting like there’s a morally correct way to handle these things. There isn’t. The end doesn’t justify the friggin’ means and the world is full of evil. You just got to try keep trying to do good, try to do what you believe is right at every turn. And remember that there will always be a situation that defies judgment or nice, clean cut labels. Life ain’t nice and clean cut and neither are moral debates. That’s my say. ‘Night, all you crazy, crazy liberals, my fellows of the more conservative thinkin’, and you poor oft overlooked independents/undecided/neutrals!)
Not offended. Just confused. The thread’s dead, dude. I only even know you posted because I forgot to remove the email alert. As for the debate at hand, as I’m sure you are aware, it all comes down to when you believe personhood begins. And given that science can’t agree on that issue I’d say we can put this all under your ‘life ain’t nice and clean cut’ clause and leave it at that. I’m generally liberal, but frankly agnostic on this subject for the moment. But I do find it funny that while there are numerous debates out there on this very topic, you chose to raise the dead with this thread to raise heck over it.
So in all the late term abortions that happen the pregnant womans life is in danger and without it she would die? Quite generalizing you idiot.
Sick, sick, sick. Anon. Just another idiot.
No, but some people also understand that many women are going to get back room coat-hanger abortions if they can’t get it in a safe environment.
People who fail to understand this are the same idiots that think if they ban sex education (except for abstinence) in schools, that teenagers will stop having sex.
I’ll take that one on behalf of the other side. The ‘coat-hanger abortion’ thing is not entirely a myth, but a very small number. While it’s certainly a hard thing to put one’s finger on, the number of injuries or deaths related to covert abortions is the hundreds, and fewer still are fatalities. Most illegal abortions done in states where they are severely limited are done by medical professionals in a cash-under-the-table fashion.
Furthermore, while the rate of injuries due to illicit abortions went down in countries that have legalized it, such as Japan, the number doesn’t disappear. People still do it even when abortion is legal.
I’m pro-choice, but I don’t want to have the facts misrepresented.
Aremis
Semper, you moron, stop misinterpreting Anon’s words. They may not have stated it clearly, but I think it’s pretty evident that Anon is arguing for late term abortions in which the woman would die without it.
Igor, you idiot. What happened to your opposition to generalization? Does it only count when the right generalizes the left? I am pretty sure that there are not too many sick sick republicans out there that would oppose a late term abortion if the womans life were at stake.
Semper, you butthead, I’m not objecting to that argument. I’m objecting to the fact that you say ”
So in all the late term abortions that happen the pregnant womans life is in danger and without it she would die?”
When it’s pretty clear that while that may be what they said, it’s not the intended argument.
Igor, darling, don’t speak for others unless you’re sure that’s what they intended. Semper took it the way he took it for a reason, same as you did. Anon was generalizing, and if you’re going to hold my side to making sure they have their ducks in a row before they make a statement, you better damn well do the same for your side, especially on such a hot button issue as abortion where both sides like to throw out all kinds of accusations and idiotic statements.
You know, like Anon saying that sick = Republicans.
Froo, you poopy peepee, I’m right and everyone else is wronGGGGG!!! -Throws third grade tantrum-
Thanks for keeping me in line, Froo.
Ty froo. I still like you Igor lol. I especially liked the butthead comment lol. If you look way way way down the page I did end up defending Anon.
Anon did say “I can’t imagine the state of mind necessary to tell a woman facing a life-threatening condition, “Sorry, but we’re gonna kill you and the fetus, instead of just the fetus.”” Whether that means Anon meant all late term abortions are because the mother faces death or that all late term abortions need to be allowed in case of that is questionable.
That being said, Anon has done a great job of making liberals look pretty bad on this thread. And I hate late term abortions.
Zuul… Er…Rando, you don’t like late term abortions? You’re losing your moderate librul card now, too.
lots of things bitter troll dont like, but think should be perfectly legal.
guns, abortion, taxes, dwarf tossing, country music..all these things bitter troll dont like, but the gobment should have no right to restrict
It would be very hypocritical of me to condone late term abortions, especially if the baby is viable. And shortright still has my dirty librul card. *I* think she’s secretly using it for herself.
But in my opinion, if the baby is viable then they should deliver the baby, not kill him/her. The exception being if the mother’s welfare is at stake. As for the legal aspects, I won’t touch that one.
Is there any good summary of what your laws re abortion look like somewhere? The way it sometimes sounds, plenty of American women only a week or two before scheduled delivery go “Nah, I changed my mind” and get an abortion. Somehow I doubt it is like that. Are doctors allowed to do late abortions in the US unless there are serious medical/social reasons? How common are they?
(I am interested in the facts, not anecdotes.)
Obama supports abortion…:
In point of fact, he sponsored a piece of legislation which would make it legal to terminate a live-born child if it survived an abortion attempt.
Cite that, Cyan.
Charro, s/he is correct, except that the legislation (that Obama VOTED for, not necessarily sponsored) would make it legal to allow the baby born because of a botched abortion to die as opposed to providing care needed to keep it alive. The reasoning behind that is that the mother didn’t want the child, and by giving medical care to the botched abortion child, you would be thwarting the wishes of the mother. He voted for such legislation 3 times while in the Illinois Senate.
Here is a link to FactcheckDOTorg that will clear some of it up. Some of teh controversy is more interpretation-related than anything. {http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obama_and_infanticide.html}
On a personal note, I feel he was voting to allow babies to die. And I feel that is terribly wrong.
I don’t know about the numbers, Danbala, but I thought it was something like 16 weeks was the latest legal time for an abortion.
I admit to not actually knowing, and that I think it depends on the state you’re in.
they was criminal babies…
Never mind. Froo tells me that you have to have a DAMN good reason for one past 28 weeks, but other than that, there aren’t any real restrictions. I lied.
Roe V Wade used a “trimester rule”, but since viability can happen as early as 22-28 weeks, that was struck down. We now go by a “viability rule”, which is a little hazy in the article I read. Anything after 28 weeks is seriously frowned on, however.
Oh, right, We have week 18 and week 22 here. After 18 you need a special permit to get one, after 22 it’s basically replaced with “ending pregnancy” which isn’t the same thing as an abortion, again – unless there are very special medical/social reasons to do elsewise.
Wow. Pardon my massive interpunctuation fails there. There should be a full stop before “again”. :p
froo–Well, according to that article, in Illinois, there is a provision that doctors have to try to help any baby that could be at viability. If that’s the case, then the whole thing is a moot point because hospitals don’t try to save babies that haven’t reached the point of viability. So if a botched abortion results in a baby that survives under about 23 weeks, they won’t try to save the baby anyway. At 23 weeks or over, Illinois says they have to save the baby anyway. Is that what the bill is saying? That botched abortions are excepted from that provision in IL? I may have missed something.
Thanks froo, but I just wanted to know if Cyan could actually back up what they were saying instead of going off and saying “OBAMA IS A BABY KILLER! AND EVIL!”. I prefer my hate mongering to be backed up with unbiased links instead of one line unsupported wharrgarbles. You took all the fun out of it. *pouts*
Actually, froo, I read up on that “partial birth abortion” hoopla, and I must say I found it quite unsettling and disturbing.
At any rate, I don’t know how I feel about “botched” abortions that result in a viable fetus that is “alive” outside mama’s womb.. It seems very Catch-22ish to me. See, if the little tyke can survive.. Well, shouldn’t we try to save it? It’s alive.. You wouldn’t hit a dog and then go “eh” and drive off..
No, we shouldn’t saddle moms with kids they obviously don’t want because that just won’t end well. But then we are going to face this problem: Who takes care of this child? Who pays for the time in the NICU? Who pays for whatever that fancy life saving stuff is? Say mom isn’t insured. Who’s gonna pick up the tab? Well, (most of) the Republicans/Conservatives are gonna say “Not the Gubbernmint, that’s a handout! Why should WE have to pay it?!” (“Well, you’re the ones that want it saved..”) AFTER the kid doesn’t need all that life saving stuff, who takes care of it then? Maybe mom was getting it aborted cause she couldn’t afford it. Well, ok, we adopt it out. But STILL, WHO PAYS FOR ALL THAT CARE? Should we “force” mom to, because it was her baby, but the abortion was “botched”? Should the doctor that “botched” it pay? Should we make the new parents pay for it? What are we gonna do with all these extra babies that (I don’t mean to sound heartless) aren’t wanted?
Economically, it’s probably better to not save them. But, that’s Capitalist/Conservative/Republican economics. No one wants to pay for it, it’s not theirs.
Socially, it’s better to save them. It’s not of questionable ethics, and people who want babies can adopt them.
I think you’re right, it’s of questionable ethics to let babies die. But what do we do with them once we save them? I think it’s kind of ass backwards for Republicans/Conservatives to believe people should breed despite hardships but then not support things like nationalised Health Care to take care of all the extra people. It boggles my mind.
Who’s right? In a perfect world, there would be no unwanted pregnancies. In a less perfect world, all abortions would take place before viability. In a lesser perfect world, we could remove viable babies from the womb and place them in exowombs free of charge until they hatch and can be given to people who want them. In a lesser perfecter world.. We have this crap hand we’re dealt.
I’m still pro-choice. It may not be a fun choice, but for those that do it it’s usually the right choice at that time for them.
“But STILL, WHO PAYS FOR ALL THAT CARE?”
The funny thing in relation to the health-care debate here is that the answer is still the american public. When hospitals/physicians provide no fee service to a patient or write off part of that bill, they still have to recoup those costs. As a result, they raise costs for other medical treatments. The insurance companies, while certainly not paying EVERY claim, pay a lot of them. As a result they, too, must recoup the money from somewhere, which results in higher premiums for all.
In other words, what everyone is panicking about with healthcare is already true, it’s just true of comapnies that take up to 30% off the top for admin overhead and profit instead of a government bureacracy.
I’m agnostic on the public plan option, which is funny since I work at a health company with an insurance division. But I’m not blind to the fact that pretty much every objection raised to the public plan option is already the case in the private system. Except with the private system, I don’t get to vote on it, and somebody with a stock trader’s jacket pockets a share of my premium.
On the flip side I’m not entirely confident in the US government’s ability to run a public plan. I’m all for not only a public plan, but single payor. I’m not afraid of government ‘pulling the plug on gramma’ (creepy music). It’s a garbage argument. But I am worried that they’ll botch it and mess it up. Not because it’s A government, but because it’s THIS government. I’m a space geek, and I’ve seen what they’ve done with NASA over and over and over again.
Aremis
Kudos points Aremis, for actually making sensible arguments both ways.
IMO the “elephant in the room” un US health care is “just WTF is the 6% more than France spend going?” We know it’s not going into “better” because if was then the US would at least show in the top 10. The Conservatives say it’s not going into windfall profits (I’ll give you guys that 3% isn’t a windfall profit), but it’s got to be going somewhere!
The unborn have a guaranteed spot in heaven, and those that abort them have a chance a redemption. Isn’t a guarantee of one soul going to heaven much better than just a chance of two? God gave you a mind to use it. The choice is obvious – why would you selfishly deny the unborn soul a guarantee to spend eternity with the perfect creator? Why would you assume those that choose abortion are neither thoughtful nor worthy of forgiveness and redemption?
*Randomly finds a place to comment on abortion issue* I find it just odd that the gov’t says killing unborn babies with a needle and medicine is ok but with a gun/knife other weapon is a crime. (See semi recent trials of husbands killing prego wives and getting TWO counts of murder…)
the issue is still about choice. if you intend to carry the fetus all the way to birth and actually have a baby that you want and can care for, then someone killing the fetus and/or you is taking away your choice to have it.
i don’t want anyone to take away the option of being able to have a safe, legal abortion, but i also don’t want anyone to be forced into an abortion either.
I don’t necessarily disagree with abortion, just, if they’re gonna kill the baby, kill the mom too. Possibly kill the dad as well.
If we, as a modern society, still allow and encourage murder of our offspring, fvck it, kill everyone. Why don’t we just drop bombs all over our nation?
I say if you’re willing to kill, why not go all the way?
Ahm, because maybe the fetus is life-threatening anyway, and that kind of wrecks the point?
This one made me wince too. Can’t we just let this thread die once and for all?
No.
Nope, I don’t think we’ve gone on enough self-righteous tangents or restated the same statistical errors nearly enough times. I think we need to point out that Hitler killed more people than that again, then suggest that our least favorite politicians’ policies actually killed just as many. I haven’t heard enough of those yet.
Besides, how am I gonna boost my ego by proving I’m smarter with more random pulled-put-of-a-hat statistics based on zero historical merit?
Aremis
MUUUUUUUUUUUDERRRRRRRRR!!!!!
Wait, wrong thread.
Actually it’s much more than that. I read on this really cool blog that it’s more like 1.7 billion. Yer stoopid fer not knowing that!
You’re a silly douche.
There are better ways to talk to yourself than using an Internet forum.
You sure are clever, high five, sir.
Well. I can be clever, but I try to adapt my responses to the recipient.
Crazy betch must be Marcie from Peanuts because she just called you “sir.”
Oh, it was the highlights of her posts, so I ain’t complainin’.
Charlie Brown: … All while having strong Christian overtones!
Marcie(to Peppermint Patty): Hold me, sir!
*they embrace*
Charlie Brown: I SAID: STRONG CHRISTIAN OVERTONES!
Is that from something? That’s hilarious.
robot chicken for the WIN!
This just proved what I already know. That I have to watch more Robot Chicken.
I agree. Douching is silly.
I wish so hard I had the energy to do the math and figure out how often every woman of childbearing age in America would have to get pregnant to make that figure a reality. It’s probably more often than we have periods.
Okay, I sucked it up and did the math. It’s not actually more often than we have periods, but in order to have 1.7 billion abortions in 7 years every American woman between the ages of 15 and 44 would have to get pregnant and have an abortion about 4 times a year.
That doesn’t happen.
But if it did, it would still be none of your damn business, because every woman has the right to evict anyone from her personal uterus at any time she sees fit. My uterus; I decide who can use it. Much like how the government doesn’t force you to donate a kidney.
You…you have just been put up on a pedestal right next to shortright. A goddess. A shining example of womanhood. May I idolize you? *grovel-grovel*
(no, I’m not being sarcastic. That was an AWESOME post)
we are here for the kidney….you signed the organ donar card…ok then lets have with the kidney before we ask eric idol to sing
Get the liver too, we need something to serve for dinner.
I’ll bring the fava beans and a nice Chianti!
But I’m not done with it!!!
oh yes-pulls out his butcher knife- your very done with it BA HA HA HA HA HA-coughs- gah…must work on my evil bitter laugh
Cause that’s all about standards…
oh everyone knows S_B can beat up the bitter troll. bitter troll may be giant bridge troll of force and fury and bitterness…but he cant hit no lady
Well that’s why I have my Jane-clones, I just get one of them to hit a woman if I needed to.
yay, you remembered that i’m already on a pedestal and didn’t kick me out in favor of the newcomer.
p.s. i don’t remember what i did to earn this honor. i just remember that i’m a total badass and you love me for it.
“i’m a total badass and you worship me for it.”
There. Fixed it.
*kicks shortright’s pedestal out of jealousy*
Don’t be jealous, beautiful charro. There’s a pedistal here waiting for you. Just as soon as you figure out a way to keep your troll from sexually abusing me in my sleep. *wink*
-places charro on a pedistal- its all shiny and white and surrounded by these funny plants
*dons pearls*
*climbs up on pedestal* Hey! Quit lookin up my dress!
your a mermaid, how you wearing a dress?
I’m on land. On land I have gams. Remember?
Honestly, I tend to put ALL women on pedestals. You are all glorious creatures, mysterious and beautiful. Also, it’s easier to look up your dresses.
ooh foto op!
Remember – men who put women on pedestals rarely knock them off.
Oh… did you actually think I was being serious? Golly, I didn’t know I could pull it off that well. Thanks!
Okay, so it’s your uterus. But once you get pregnant, there’s a child growing in your uterus. I don’t care what you do with the uterus as long as the child gets the chance to live.
maybe if the uterus payed rent people might not mind
So is Alexis going to prosecute everyone who miscarries a pregnancy? That would be about 15% of symptomatic/known pregnancies, and another 15% of pregnancies if you test for the pregnancy hormone.
BTW, some companies in Mexico enforce monthly pregnancy tests, and fire any woman with a positive test.
They should at least give you the option of the rusty coat hanger before firing you. Sheesh.
but work is filled with flights of stairs you can just fall down!
Yeah, but then they have to pay you Workman’s Comp. Oh wait.. do they even have that in Mexico?
no no, just fall down the stairs, lose the fetus, back to sewing clothing for the rest of the world
Nooo, not the rest of the world. We don’t get stuff sewn in Mexico, we stick to Chinese child labour!
lazy…clearly some of those younger girls could be used as sex slaves to tourists!
*sigh* Yes, forcing women to breed is MUCH more humanitarian than well placed abortions.
sorry womens your rights are to be stripped, and you will be placed in breeding camps. you will spend all day cooking, cleaning and breeding as god intended.
GOOD LUCK GETTING ME TO DO ANY OF THAT CRAP. Fukc that shit, yo.
you wont clean for your bitter troll?
I prefer to just move whenever the house gets dirty.
charro is smart, charro is wise
I did go to those dirty socialist schools.
But she didn’t stay at the dirty socialist schools long, because like she said, they got dirty. She moved on to the next one.
It’s hard to find a clean socialist school nowadays.. *looks towards Sweden* Hey… Danbala, need a flat-mate?!
Depends… Can you clean and do dishes and …? Cause I sure as hell can’t. ;p
I can.. But that doesn’t mean that I WILL. Let’s go live with Covenant.
Oh, nonono. ;p
But, I love Covenant. Especially Eskil. Nom.
it’s a child now? When did fetus=child? I though that’s why we labeled it something besides ‘child’
Pffft. Zygote, gamete, fetus, these words mean nothing to the pro-lifers! IT’S A BABY!! MUUUUURRRRRDDDERRRRRR!!!
Blargh, I meant to post as me and to say “embryo” not “gamete”. Biology fail..
I’m pretty sure that if you can stick it in a freezer, it’s not a child.
*pulls schlong out of freezer* Whut?
See? Schlong, not child.
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“My uterus; I decide who can use it.”
You do decide who can use it, you did that when you had sex and got pregnant :/
Yeah, but it was a short-term lease.
Zing!
You’re completely ignorant if you think all unwanted pregnancies result from unprotected wanton sex; and if you think that sex is not a natural part of life and love and for purposes other than breeding.
And what about all those sluts letting themselves get raped, huh?
They deserve it. Did you see what they were wearing?!
Purple? {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqq051BU2MY}
Super funny.
I’m gonna tie you to the radiator and grape you!
I’m gonna stuff a sausage down your throat and hungry dogs up your butt!
Yeah! He grapes em!
Not to mention the gals using hormone contraception who took antibiotics (which often inactivate the effect, but many docs don’t warn their patients). –I know one who refers to her daughter as her ‘strep throat baby’.
And the fact that diaphragms don’t work well with when the uterus is retroverted (1/4 of women are retroverted). Doctors aren’t aware of this/don’t counsel their patients.
Awwwww you did a Dorothy Parker pun!
*wubs*
but abstaining no fun
Yeah, diaphragms are about 80% effective. Which, in layman’s terms, means, “Congratulations! You’re pregnant!”
untill fetus pays rent and gets a job, it is to be considered a parasite growth!
^Is parody?
BT is our resident dose of awesome. He’s hilarious. Nothing he says should be taken seriously, unless he’s having an insightful moment.
in the courts of kings, the fool was most often listened too. he had nothing to gain and everything to lose
-Stares at awesome-
-Worships awesome-
Dear madam… May I use your uterus? Or at least that annoying little thing right below it?
See? The old argument if MEN got pregnant abortion would be a sacrament is still true.
That was a great post!
Which blog was that? Theearthisflat@crusadesaren’toveryet.bom?
Cool! Charlie has heard of it too!
Spread the word Charlie!
or the incense. Hey how is the R.C. Church so like the hippies? Is that why so many catholics turned into liberals. Now that I think about it, those Latin masses that I went to as a kid sounded a lot like George Harrison’s My sweet Lord!
So they ripped off a song that was ripped off of another song?
Abortion is definitely not a great choice, but to legislate any choice is to loose freedom. Our country is supposedly based on freedom.?. That is supposed to be why we fought the Iraq War, is it not? For Freedom?
Also, Obama did not order 7 years of abortion in the U.S.A.
I did, and I ordered it with a side of fries. I never got the fries though. Ah well, such is life.
There is a Wendy’s in Ohio that owes me about a jagillion orders of 5 piece chicken nuggets. I’d order for everyone as we were rushing somewhere, grab my change and the bag and ask for straws and napkins and while someone else rummaged around, all I could think of as we sped down the road was, “oooohhhh, chicken nuggets” and then all I’d get was my Coke.
I’m sad remembering all this.
strange, bitter troll remembers going to wendy’s and getting his order, and haveing a extra zillion chiken breaded chunk things.
I remember going to Wendy’s and getting cold fries. *sigh*
Better than cold skunk, I always say.
I dunno, wendy’s fries are usually bad when they’re warm, I shudder to think of them cold…*shudders(not really…)*
It’s worth it for a Baconator.
But but he did not unorder either them so he is satan and hitler and atilia the hun and..wait I got to check my latest palinite tweet for the rest of the list..BRB
For the record, Hitler only killed 6 million JEWS. He also killed millions of Slavs, Poles, and Gypsies among others. People always seem to forget them.
“I hated Bush with a passion, but I never sank to calling him Hitler.”
Exactly. The Shrub supported a lot of fascist policies, but AFAIK not xenocidal ones…
Yes, because those were all forced by our dear leaders.
(NO!)
ELEVEN MILLION! six million jews, and five million POWs, serbs, croats, gypys, Russians…
Perhaps that statistic is true, but abortions is irrelevant when it comes to politics. Obama may have some political say in the issue, but from a moral perspective his opinion is no different from yours or mine, so I suppose that makes me Hitler.
Ask a holocaust survivor if it’s the same. Go right ahead. I’m not going to hold my breath, or say “I told you so!” while you receive the cussing out that you deserve for daring to bring a parallel between the 2.
im sorry but you must be some kind of an idiot. are you really comparing abortions to millions of jews killed in world war 2?
So how’s that right-to-life amendment going in the state legislatures? You know, the one that got passed when Bush and the Republicans ran the whole federal government? Oh yeah, there never was any right-to-life amendment. Never got written, let alone introduced, voted for by 2/3 of both houses and send to the states. I guess you trollz can STFU now.
In the US, 1.21 million abortions took place in 2005. (www.abort73.com) So, actually, less than 7 years.
There are only 7.5 million women of childbearing age in the US. Looks like someone needs to learn some math.
Um.. I somehow doubt your figures there, champ. Maybe you should cite an unbiased link?
Wait, I’ll do it for you. According to the US Census Bureau, there were 151,627,727 women in the US in the period ending 2007. 40.9% of them were 15-44. So, that means that 62,015,740 women were of childbearing age during the period.
Moron.
You weren’t supposed to notice!
that about sums it up doesn’t it?
of course abortion wasn’t legalized in the last 8 months, was it? conservatives have had at least two golden opportunities to produce and pass legislation to overturn roe v. wade, once under W. and once under reagan. guess what? didn’t happen. you’ll have at least 3 years and three more months to blame obama for things (i’ll join you in some of them), but you can’t hang roe v. wade on him.
You are forgetting half of the sentence. killing 6,000,000 people for INFERIOR GENES. People don’t get abortions because of inferior genes, they get abortions because they can’t keep their legs closed.
If you really believe that…you’re a tool.
Yep. Sadly, horribly, true.
yeah but abortions don’t matter
More like 5 years.
Abortion isn’t murder. Stupid judeo-christianofascists…
really? your’e comparing abortions to the holocaust? if youre so pious go adopt some poor lonely kid. all you right to lifers should be required to adopt. “right to life” are you kidding me?!?! how about iraqi or afganhstani children and people? do they not have a “right to life” you hypocrite. it’s easy when its not your situation. pro lifers are the quickest to support war, even though “colateral damage” basically means dead innocent people. yeah! dead people!!! so jesus would be upset about an abortion, but killing 100′s of people for a political win is ok? ….. this world is lost upon people like you. go way. you’re a simple, simple person, and i pray you dont breed
I hope you realize that no matter how many laws there are against abortion, people will still have them done. Would you still hold Obama accountable even then?
Good point.
Same kind of thing where certain people decide who is ‘human’….
and Amen!
Let’s not forget Mussolini! But, yes, he wasn’t AS bad as Hitler. Still bad though. There’s room to wiggle.
And Castro. And Idi Amin. And Stalin. Vlad the Impaler. Ghenghis Khan. ect., ect., ect.
Ect? WTF is ect?
etc. whatever
Pol-Pot!
Don’t forget the rooms filled with skulls of Cambodians!
Hey! Get out of my basement!
And don’t step on the grass when you leave!
Pfft. Cambodians. REAL collectors go for Mongolians.
It’s a holiday, in Cambodia!
For the record, not only is calling someone “Hitler” demeaning to that person, in a messed up way, its demeaning to Hitler.
I mean, think about it. Hitler had to do a bunch of messed up stuff to be “Hitler”. Satan had to offend God himself to get his bad rep.
If you don’t like Obama, rip on Obama for being Obama. If you hate Bush, fine, hate him for being Bush.
Some dumb ass put in a blog about republicans and intellectuals, in the same sentence with GWB in the mix? They must have forgotten the war in Iraq that has killed thousands of our troops; when Iraq was surrounded for ten years? What was that lie again?
I also need someone to tell me what I can and cannot do with my body; any volunteers? And you say your not stupid!
you cannot smoke crack with your body…
I agree here too.
Hmmmmm, preachy, but more true than most LOLs lately.
Yeah, it’s a preachy one, but at least it’s true. You don’t get that much from preachy LOLs.
LoL. You want to call a truce now that the socialist is in office. Last year you couldn’t post enough of the “our president=Hitler” pics.
I see what the captioner is saying, but you should look up http://www.blackgenocide.org/planned.html and Margaret Sanger and Marie Stopes in relation to eugenics. Marie Stopes even sent poems to Hitler http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/5051109/Marie_Stopes_is_forgiven_racism_and_eugenics_because_she_was_antilife/
Planned Parenthood was founded to help eliminate “undesirables” and limit minority peoples reproduction and Obama is a big supporter of abortion and giving American tax dollars to “family planning” groups worldwide.
You need to loosen your tinfoil hat a bit, its cutting off circulation.
The instant I see “blog” in a link, I’ve already discounted your story as BS. And this is hardcore loony here.
Hmmmm, Margaret Sanger was a Progressive, which is what Hillary claims to be. Obama is a Socialist. He said to look at the people he surrounds himself with to solve problems. If financial, Warren Buffet, if change, Van Jones, or Bill Ayres.
Please read a little history and don’t assume that all “progressives” and all “socialists” have had the same ideas and opinions throughout history. Look at the social and cultural context of the time. Honestly, I have to wonder if much of our population has learned anything in school. Liberals aren’t all in agreement with each other over every single issue, and neither are conservatives.
And please tell me when Bill Ayres joined the Obama administration in any capacity.
ESM, if any topics are slightly related some stupid as f*ck troll will come in. So get prepared for Spielberg-Stalin links because (le gasp) they have the SAME BIRTHDAY!!!
bitter troll has the same birthday as patrick steward
Does that make you Picard? Please say that makes you Picard.
I have the same birthday as Mark David Chapman. That was a little creepy to learn that.
it makes bitter troll picard ancestor.
Make it so!
Tea. Earl grey. Hot.
Still not as bad as sharing one with “Pee Wee”. >_>
I have the same birthday as Ronald Reagan, and I’m a progressive. I hope that caused some heads to explode.
I WISH Liberals could get together on even just a FEW ideas. But just looking at the Health Care debate we can’t seem to get our ducks in a line.
Also I have Socialist friends who used to live in Socialist countries. They don’t like Obama, he’s too Conservative for them.
I think it’s funny when people call Obama socialist. He’s nowhere close. Maybe a slight hint of it, but not the hardcore socialist that righties think he is.
Hmmmm hitler was a christian just like palin…….hmmmm fred flintstone was a fat loundmouth so is rush limpballs..hmmmmm.
I am always “annoyed” by idiots who use lies and inuendo to smear someones reputation…hmmmmmm
STFU. That is the extreme people take when they are trying to eliminate abortion.
The RICH can afford abortion and BC much easier than poor people, so THAT doesn’t even make sense!
And MANY MANY States are trying to deny poor people access to abortions in ways such as- having to wait 10-20 hours before getting an abortion, or having to pay for an ultrasound before the abortion can be performed.
This makes it HARDER for poor people, (aka, undesirables) because they don’t have the money or the time!
President Obama supports a women’s right to CHOOSE! A point you palinites refuse to see. He is against government interference in any decisions between a women and her Dr.
And perhaps if there were more family PLANNING resources available there would be less abortions.
Finally when did this margarest sanger die, how long ago what it?? Geeze welcome to the 20th century for goodness sake. Nobody is forced to get an abortion, it is a CHOICE.
It cracks me up when people rag on family planning organizations. Okay, they perform abortions, which in your world is murder. I don’t agree with that stance, but I’ll grant it in this case. They perform a wide array of functions aside from abortions and the policy for abortions is to have a waiting period betweent he decision and the abortion complete with councilling and discussion on the repercussions. It’s not like a freaking oil change. Many of the family planning clinics don’t even perform abortions.
When my wife and I first got pregnant, we didn’t have much money and my insurance on my new job hadn’t kicked in yet. We went to a family planning clinic to get our first ultrasound and confirmation of pregnancy because otherwise we wouldn’t have been able to afford it. That clinic didn’t offer abortions. They didn’t even refer people for them.
For years prior to that my wife went to various clinics to get contraception because she was a college student who had emancipated herself from her parents and couldn’t afford standard ob/gyn care or the cost of the pills.
And to the stated purpose of Planned Parenthood, I’ll point out that once upon a time Henry Ford planned on using his plants to support the Germans. Does that make Ford a Nazi organization?
Aremis
To add to this, any clinic that performs abortions, especially late term abortions, for which only a relatively small handful of abortion doctors are trained, makes patients go through a long process of having everything about what they’re getting ready to do explained to them. From the legalities to the dirty, disgusting details of the process itself, it’s made very clear to each patient that they’re about to undergo a process far removed from having a tooth pulled.
From the way most abortion opponents describe it, you’d think women just stand in line to have the doctor poke a vacuum up there and suck it out.
I don’t remember posting ANY pics of Hitler, tyvm. Watch where you’re wagging that finger. I’ll bite it off. I pity the foo.
You were drunk off your “Death Panel Promotion” power that day, dear.
Foo goes to the death panels, too. Where’s Comrade Maxwell when you need him?
Sorry… my boss pulled a Lumbergh on me and made me work saturday morning… And I’m currently still at work.. again, my home pc got some kind of trojan… hydra…. worm… and I spent last night trying to reformat etc…
I’m going on 4 hours sleep in the fast 48 hours… I beg a troll to start some sh*t with me today
*opens his jacket to reveal 4 grenades with a string run through each pin*
I’m… ready… to just… go… to pieces…
Yeeeeaahhh…Maxwell, I’m gonna need you to, uh let go of that string, m’kay…yeeaaahh, I’m not sure if you got the memo, but explosives aren’t allowed in the office even on the weekend…it’s pretty much just like any other day…so if you could just put the grenades down over there with the TPS reports that would be great.
Let’s not.. blow.. this out of proportion.
Good job, troll. You just assumed that Eric A) is a democrat, and B) that he compared Bush to Hitler.
Don’t act like one person is responsible for their entire political party, you incoherent tool.
but igor!!! if we cant do that, the democrates cant blame everything on bush
Igor, there is no Eric, only Zuul, uh, Rando. I meant Rando. Douchey McDouchebag got a lucky guess on A but was waaaaaaay off on B. In fact, I said specifically later in the thread that I *didn’t* think Bush was like Hitler. So Dumb McStupidtard really dropped the ball up there.
Lucky guess on A? Not that lucky lol. All he had to do was read your posts for the last 4 LOL’s
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Well, maybe everyone isn’t familiar with my particular views.
Don’t be serious Semper, drive-by trolls can’t and don’t read.
Good point. I once again stand corrected. Damn..this is becoming annoying always having to stand corrected.
Try sitting corrected. Unless you’ve got a stick up your ass, like some of the trolls here, it’s a lot more comfortable.
I prefer lying down corrected, and taking a nap corrected.
Actually over 11 million people were killed in the concentration camps; approximately 6 million were Jewish, and most of the rest were Slavic peoples.
Damn commies, always in the mix somehow.
Yeah, they had their own death camps at the same time, but we had their back on the publicity thing.
Well, not REALLY camps, they just lined them up and shot them.
Morons…
And most idiotic caption ever.
It was >50 millions killed but all the morons remember – jews!
Jews were killed solely over the fact that they were Jewish, and were killed in the purpose of completely eradicating them from the earth. Not in wars, execution of communists or anything like that
Genocide is genocide, no matter where it’s perpetrated.
Stalin’s genocide was much more twisted. Hitler hated Jews was trying to eradicate “otherness.” Stalin hated his own damn people. That’s fu(ked up.
Ehm. As you are able to write coherent sentences, I am sure you don’t mean it like this, but it does seem that you are saying genocide against Jews (and other “others”) is not fvcked up. :p
I don’t really see the point of comparing which one was the worst of the two. Which one was the most mentaly ill? What were their intentions? Did either of them actually think they were Doing The Right Thing, etc, etc. Those questions can’t get good answers today.
See where I said “much more twisted?”
-snaps twice-
I must have expressed myself wrong, because I think that was what my response was about. i saw it, and I don’t agree that one can make that conclusion.
Pushing an agenda, are we?
Add to that another 20 or 30 million people, mostly civilians, killed in the field, particularly in the Soviet Union and Poland. Total: anywhere from 30 to even 45 million, depending on how you count, killed by the Germans alone.
Don’t forget the Gypsies, homosexuals and JW’s. The worst of our presidents was Warren Harding. GWB was just the most dumb.
JW’s? Jehova’s Witnessess?
Yes
Because they didn’t accept the military draft and were seen as a liability.
What about Mr. “I can’t make up my mind” Carter? Maybe he was just the most ineffective.
And I think the ghost of Richard Nixon would like a recount!
Why was Carter the worst president?
Clearly, it was the sweater. And the Southern accent.
Poor Jimmy.
Jimmy has done a lot more good as “former president Jimmy Carter” than he ever could have accomplished in the White House. Carter gets a lifetime achievement award despite his presidency.
A lifetime of anti-semitism and living off the Saudi payroll. Carter has made more of a mess of himself after the White House than he did while president – and that’s saying something!
And just what is your standard of measure? What is the criteria you have selected by which you can so boldly and simplistically pronounce GWB was the “most dumb”?
Please share your methodology and complete results.
I’d love to know your expert opinion on who was second most dumb, And third.
And what do you think about Mr. Bush? I’d love to hear more.
I think I’ve lived long enough to hear several Republican Presidents summarily dismissed as “dumb” – each one declared more stupid than the last. I think being a graduate of both Yale and Harvard, being a National Guard pilot, being a 4-term governor, a 2-term president are far better indicators of his intelligence than the off-handed comments of someone who doesn’t like the man. You don’t like Bush – fine. State your case. But spare us all the useless insults until you have accomplished at least half as much in your own life.
Sorry. My dad didn’t have the connections that Shrub did. Otherwise my “accomplishments” would likely be similar. To paraphrase one of my favorite movies: There are two kinds of smarts. Book smarts, which waved bye-bye to him long ago, and people smarts. The ability to read people and tell them what they want to hear. Bush can do that, albeit not very eloquently. There have been far smarter Republican presidents intelligence wise. Same for Democrats.
I agree Rando. I am consistently amazed that people point to Bush’s accomplishments in school and business with a straight face. If my dad had connections like the Prescott Walker Bush clan, HECK, I would have been president!!
Free coffee for everyone!!!!
Hell, I know I’m smarter than that chump George Bush. If I had the opportunities he had, I would’ve done it right and taken over the damn world!
But the Kennedys had connections, too, and you don’t rip them for being terminally stupid or overly privileged.
Be consistent or be gone.
Oh the kennedys may be a band ( know the famous ones are dead but the remaining ones still are!) of drunken womanizeing louts, but they only expose us to the smart ones. the stupid ones they keep chained in the basement. Bush one was far from stupid, i didnt agree with his politics, but he was far from stupid. they dont let stupid wimps be head of the CIA. Bush 2:the reckoning….well…-coughs-…he was very charming…
No shit the Kennedys had connections. The difference being they WEREN’T stupid. Sure, being Kennedys saved their asses any given number of times, but they were smarter all around than GWB.
Oh and “be gone?” Make me.
“No shit” is a huge understatement.
Bush’s family wealth and connections aren’t even in the same universe as the Kennedy family’s. Papa Joe and his lawyers were the smart ones, if they hadn’t idiot-proofed the fortune he made in bootlegging and insider trading, his fool offspring would have already pissed it all away.
I think that you’re giving yourself a lot of credit. You’d be a fighter pilot, governor, and two-term president if only your dad had better connections. That’s really the ONLY thing that kept you from such accomplishment? I wish my dad had had better connections, and I suspect that I might have gone further if he had, but really, I would not assert that that is my only limitation.
when did a debate of politics become an over-the-internet duel of money and “connetions”?
connections. i can type, i swear.
I can’t type, which makes me swear, frequently!
It’s a stereotype that frequent swearing leads to conceptions.
There’s a misconception about swearing at certain types of stereos.
I swear, for typing that concept you certainly get a Hi Fi(ve) from this miss.
I do not deny Bush had access by virtue of his family connections. But he seems to have made the most of it, compared say, to Al Gore, who was a dropout. It’s one thing to get in the door, it’s quite another to stay there. If you think his life is simply about inside connections then I point you to any number of Kennedy clan members who have completely squandered the considerable opportunity given them.
It’s all quite tidy and neat to say GWB only got to where he was because of special privilege. BTW, such a statement is also applicable to other types of “connections”. Are you willing to apply the same condemnation to other forms of privilege? Are you willing to say Obama became president merely because his color afforded him special affirmative action privileges? Is anyone willing to say “If my dad was black like Obama, HECK, I would have been president”.?
Condemnation? Who said I was condemning it or condoning it? I just said Bush’s connections exist and I would be where he was easily with those same opportunities. Obama worked hard to get where he is. And I hesitate greatly to say Bush can say the same.
OK, Amazing…so I just want to be sure I understand your position:
GWB’s accomplishments are a result of his “connections”, and Obama’s accomplishments are because of hard work.
Bush’s success could be easily replicated by you if you had the same “connections” and you know for a fact that you are smarter than him. (I’d still love to know what your standard of measurement is)
And you apparently chose to ignore my question about affirmative action, though it is also a form of privilege.
And yeah, you did seem to be using the whole “connections” thing as a form of condemnation since I’m pretty sure you would say GWB could never have done what he did without those “connections”, since he is so dumb, right?
Do you honestly think that if his dad hadn’t been George H.W. Bush that Shrub would’ve been president? Or even governor? I think affirmative action can help you do a lot of things if you are a minority. Becoming president is a bit of a stretch if you ask me. And yes, I’m smarter than Shrub.
Be careful there, Amazing. You just made a statement that could be interpreted as racist.
BTW – are you more humble than GWB too?
YOU’RE RACIST!!! RACIST!!! I’M GONNA CRYYYY!!!
A lifetime of bad luck and bad decisions have humbled me greatly, my friend. Now, like I said before, GWB lacked book smarts, but knew how to handle people (again, not eloquently, but he could do it). I’m the other way around. I’ve got book smarts, but IRL I can’t complete a sentence to save my life. You know what I need? A teleprompter!!
Why was what I said racist? Obama didn’t win the presidency with affirmative action. He wasn’t handed the job over McCain because he’s African American. He won the damn election.
Obama is distantly related to both Bush and Cheney so I guess that makes his ‘connections’
{http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/FOX_Obama_related_to_Bush_Cheney_1017.html}
al gore dropped out?
was this before or after graduating cum laude from harvard with a ba in 1969???
Some day I hope to Cum Loud.
hopefully in a 69!
He came loudly doing 69 with a sheep?
Aw, pitty, ewe know he’s sheepish about that. Don’t goat him into anything.
ewe.
oh no one will get wooly over something like this
I’m expecting to get lambasted any minute now.
That’s just shear nonsense, bitter.
Much ado about mutton . . .
And just like that! *hoof* it’s gone.
I always knew pitty was the black sheep of this site. *cue SB’s sock calling racism*
notoriginaldigdeeperracistretartchokesputter*dies*
THIS CAPTION IS RACIST AGAINST SHEEP! SHEEP ARE PEOPLE TOO AND YOU’RE A BUNCH OF RACIST SHEEP MURDERERS!
*cries about it*
Yo, this motherfvcker ain’t one of us! He said he’d fvck a sheep!!!!
It was after. He dropped out of graduate school. (Vanderbilt Divinity School)
Here is an interesting little tidbit about his undergrad years as well:
http://www.larryelder.com/Gore/goredubiousrecord.htm
This op-ed seems to offer very little substance. I wouldn’t exactly call it a “tidbit” as much as someone whining about Gore’s press coverage.
OK..
Agreed it is an op ed piece, but there seem to be plenty of facts included and the author has credibility. it did not seem inappropriate to our discussion. Are you saying you don’t believe the college info on Al Gore?
I don’t know that much about it. Nor do I care to be honest. He didn’t win the election, so it’s a moot point. I didn’t vote for him in 2000 by the way. Thought I’d throw that in.
Plus it doesn’t jive with your “Bush is the biggest idiot” mantra. Be careful, you are wandering close to a paradigm shift. Keep your hands and arms inside the vehicle at all times.
The smug. It wafts off you in tremendous volume right now, Amuz. The fact that he voted for Bush doesn’t change his opinion of him, by the way. It could be classified under “Human Error”, if you’d allow Eric the chance to say that instead of assuming it for him. Paradigm shift? He had a brief stint as a member of the Republican party, back in 1998-2000. And he shifted back… Oops! Sorry! Does that not go with your “Eric doesn’t ACTUALLY think Bush is stupid because I can derive that from talking over the internet with him” theme?
I guess you could call stopping WWIII with the cuban misslie crisis, stopping a riot in Indianapolis after MLK assassination and civil rights, medicare, medicaid, and numerous other pieces of bi-partisian legislation fostered and passed by the Kennedy’s squandering, but you would be WRONG!
MUUUUURRRRRDDDDEERRRRRRR!!!!
Two of them were, good call.
Joe Kennedy – bootlegger
Rosemary Kennedy – emotionally disturbed daughter of Joe, given a lobotomy on orders from Joe. Hey, thanks, Dad!
Ted Kennedy – Chappaquiddick and the death of Mary Jo Kopechne
William Kennedy Smith – accused rapist. Acquitted in part because the testimony of three other rape victims was not allowed.
John F. Kennedy – adulterer. And a congressional investigation was about to be launched when he was killed. Seems JFK was having an affair with a woman who was possibly a soviet spy.
Patrick Kennedy – drug addict and convicted drunk driver.
Also if you check your history you’ll find it was the Democrats who opposed the Civil Right legislation of the 1960s
What’s so wrong with being emotionally disturbed?
Nothing, unless your father is Joe Kennedy
I’d like some links and proof as to all of these claims. And concrete evidence, in the ones that could be speculative.
By the way, a person’s personal problems don’t disprove their opinions. Everyone makes mistakes, and just because you don’t like this family doesn’t mean they’re wrong because they have problems.
Apologies- I didn’t see the discussion going on above. However, I WOULD like the articles and concrete proof of all your claims, just for thoroughness’ sake.
Sorry, Igor
As fast as I post the articles you requested, they are being removed from the website. You’ll have to find them on your own – shouldn’t be too hard, the information is readily available.
Amuz, it’s not that they’re being removed, but that all posts including links have to go through a filter.
Put the website names between { } marks.
OK Igor – I’ll try it
Joe Kennedy:
{http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/716/what-is-the-true-source-of-the-kennedy-familys-wealth}
Patrick Kennedy:
{http://www.magic-city-news.com/Doug_Wrenn_44/This_Patrick_Is_No_Saint_And_He_Shouldn_t_Be_A_Con_61896189.shtml}
Ted Kennedy:
{http://men.style.com/gq/features/landing?id=content_5585}
William Kennedy Smith:
{http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0620051wksmith1.html}
You are right and i agree. My point is the same grace is not equally dispensed. Ted Kennedy was a notorious lifelong alcoholic, womanizer and was solely responsible for the death of that poor girl he left to drown. But just try to imagine if that had happened to GWB, do you honestly think the outcome would have been the same?
“Also if you check your history you’ll find it was the Democrats who opposed the Civil Right legislation of the 1960s”
Yes, Democrats from the racist South, worse than the current Blue Dogs, who defected to the GOP, and the South has been red ever since, just as Lyndon Johnson predicted.
Yup, the dems who left and now make up the bulk of the religious right. You seem to quote a lot of dirt, why not be honest — spell it out for the GOP — nah, you won’t do that, because you don’t really care, you just want to make grand one-sided pronouncements of your own moral superiority. Kilo Mike Alpha.
I am no Bush apologist – never claimed to be. I am someone who very tired of what passes for liberal intellect but is in fact little more than school yard name-calling. “Kilo Mike Alpha” is a great example. What profound intelligence came up with that one? Did you make that up yourself? Have you run out of credible sources to cite, logical arguments to make or reasonable positions to defend? I was asked to provide documentation in support of a statement I made about the Kennedy family and I gave it. Sorry it doesn’t fit your ideas about the “lion” of the senate and his family.
You can sit around all day long and tell each other how stupid GWB was/is. But let someone challenge your little pontifications and you get your shorts all bunched up in a knot. I guess when it comes to one-sided pronouncements you apparently think you have a monopoly. The hypocrisy of the left in full bloom.
Also, please tell me which Democratic Senators who voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 subsequently became members of the Republican Party. It sure isn’t Democratic Senator Robert Byrd, former Ku Klux Klansman and lifelong Democrat, is it? No he would be the final speaker in the Democrat filibuster of the Civil Rights bill, a filibuster broken thanks to Republican votes.
Ah, those pesky facts…
“…he would be the final speaker in the Democrat filibuster of the Civil Rights bill, a filibuster broken thanks to Republican votes.”
You’re leaving out the pesky little fact about JFK’s assassination, the March on Washington, and the fact that Lyndon Johnson advocated for its passage. You’re also leaving out the fact that the Republicans only agreed to vote for a weaker version of the bill, after intense pressure by the Democrats, who were in the minority at that time.
Yes, indeed. Those pesky facts…
Still waiting for that defectors list…
Chose to ignore the Robert Byrd reference? I can’t say that I blame you. Especially the KKK part.
What about the assassination? I don’t get your point there.
I get the march on Washington. Does that trump or cancel out the Democratic filibuster?
Johnson advocated for the Civil Rights Act passage – good, he did the right thing. Does that mean we ignore the filibuster of the other Democrats? (kind of an inconvenient truth, you might say)
Don’t know about weaker version of the bill etc. Can you point me to a source on that?
Oh, and …. did I mention I’m still waiting for the defectors list, or do you want to change the subject yet again?
If you know anything about phonetics, it should be pretty clear Charlie didn’t think that one up by himself.
By the way, I think Charlie found the debate to not be worth his time- I probably would too, since even I tire of people acting like “the left” is one big, ominous entity that is unified on all issues and that every member is to blame for every other person who identifies with the party politically’s faults.
“The hypocrisy of the left in full bloom”. Haven’t you ever heard of generalizing, stereotyping, and the like? It’s not exactly healthy for an intelligent, reasoned debate.
Precisely my point. Thank you for helping me underscore it. By the way, baseless accusation and school yard name-calling are also not proven winners in resoned argument either.
It is an interesting point of observation; Did you ever notice how those on the political left become disinterested and “tire” when someone actually calls them on their trite, bigoted, and insulting rhetoric? I have also observed this “lack of interest” when facts are presented that don’t comfortably fit with the smugness of their viewpoint.
And I think the genius of Charlie F. goes beyond phonetics. It’s a brilliant combination of acronym, the NATO phonetic alphabet and a red-neck insult. We are clearly dealing with a language pioneer. wouldn’t you agree?
You hate liberals and their intellects, correct? You have put it so eloquently. Why do you get so furled when they hate you and your intellect? Why do you want a “fair” chance given to you, when you automatically do not agree with and hold contempt for every liberal response? You criticize the left for generalizing Republicans and comparing everything to Bush, and then you go and do the exact same thing by generalizing all Liberals and pointing to a KluKluxKlan member, who coincidently was also a member of the Democratic party more than 40 years ago (point being it was 40 years ago). You seem very well spoken, but thats about it. You cry “no fair” and then proceed to do the exact thing you detest about your opposition. Get constructive, maybe try and teach instead of taunt. your arguments are old, as are your political approaches.
Facts? What facts?
“William Kennedy Smith – accused rapist. Acquitted in part because the testimony of three other rape victims was not allowed.” — Courts don’t operate according to the law? Liberals aren’t innocent until proven guilty?
“John F. Kennedy – adulterer. And a congressional investigation was about to be launched when he was killed. Seems JFK was having an affair with a woman who was possibly a soviet spy.” Are you in competition with Oliver Stone?
Facts? You wouldn’t know a fact if it jumped up and bit you in the backside. The FACT is that you throw out a bunch of meaningless data, only against the political side that you disagree with. You have a lot to say against the Kennedy’s but nothing on their achievements. Why is that? Your indignation is suspect. You declare JFK as an “ADULTERER” yet you ignore the GOP adulterers because it doesn’t fit your slant. Again, I don’t have to prove anything to you, you ignore reality anyway. Your posts prove that you are pursueing an agenda and reality doesn’t have meaning in your life. so once again Kilo Mike Alpha — and no, I didn’t make it up, in my time in service we knew a lot of morons like yourself, hence the the adaption of the only way to respond to stupidity.
hahahahaha……
OK, you win. I was so hoping you wouldn’t notice I was a moron. And I tried to mask my stupidity but you saw right through me.
“You wouldn’t know a fact if it jumped up and bit you in the backside”
Who can stand in the face of such faultless logic. I surrender!
When did they start calling mentally challenged people “emotionally disturbed”. The lobotomy was the ONLY option back then. The Kennedy’s can be credited with starting the special Olympics as well, not that a bitter person intent on bashing good people would actually merit that, but thought i’d add it. Don’t forget as you bash the Kennedy’s that your precious GWB was also a convicted drunk driver as well.
Number of drunk driving deaths atributed to GWB – 0
Number of drunk driving deaths atributed to Ted Kennedy – 1
One of the two recovered from his alcohol problem, one did not.
Guess which is which.
Do not judge me according to a liberal standard. I do not hate, but I am passionate about what i believe, just as others who post here. I do not hold specific reasoned and arguable responses in contempt at all. If someone wants to actually make a point, I am willing to engage on that point. I was asked to provide documentation on one of my points and did so.
Are you equally filled with righteous indignation when bloggers “generalize” Republicans? I think not. Do you accuse liberal bloggers of “hating” conservatives and intellectuals? Show me where you have done so. You just like to whine when someone who disagrees with you decides to play by your rules. Sorry.
I was told that all the Democrats who filibustered the 1964 Civil Rights Act subsequently became Republicans and now make up the “bulk of the Religious Right”. In response I asked for a list of those who had done so. I’m still waiting… Furthermore I pointed out that at least one filibustering Democratic Senator, Robert Byrd, former KKK member, did NOT change his party affiliation.
A very good radio commentator is fond of saying, “Facts to a liberal are like Kryptonite to Superman.” I couldn’t agree more.
“Facts to a liberal are like Kryptonite to Superman.” – The same thing could easily be said of a US conservative. Or did I imagine the thing where they claimed that the British mathematician Stephen Hawking would have been left to die by our NHS, despite the fact that he himself says that “I am only alive because of the NHS”?
Huh?
Not sure what you’re talking about, but I’m curious. Can you point me to an article or some other source on this?
RE: Special Olympics – Traces back to a summer camp started by Eunice Kennedy Shriver in 1962. Kudos to her for what she started. But that doesn’t change the other facts as stated. Now, Wicket, try going back and reading the entire thread here before you get all bunched up and hurl any more accusations.
“Kennedy bashing” Is that a term for anyone who doesn’t drink the “Lion of the Senate” Kool Aid?
I don’t hurl accusations. I merely point out when someone’s being an ass.
Actually, to bring some real facts into this, it was Congresspersons from the South who opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. A breakdown of the votes clearly shows that a majority of Northern Democrats and Northern Republicans voted in favor of the legislation, while a majority of Southern Democrats and Southern Republicans voted against it. For both parties, a majority of those voting voted in favor. There were, of course, a handful of exceptions by region. Also, while as a matter of percentage there was more Republican support, a greater number of Democrats voted in favor, as there were by far more Democrats in both the House and the Senate. Democrats choosing to support the bill has been credited as adding to the shift of the South to voting primarily Republican.
Suggesting that a majority of Democrats opposed the bill is simply wrong. In fact, it was credited as the first time the Senate was able to break a filibuster on a civil rights bill. Keep in mind that the Republicans had far less than the 71 votes that defeated the 29 votes against passing cloture on debate on the bill.
Which is it — is Bush a “regular folks” guy, or is the scion of a wealthy family, graduate of Yale and Harvard?
You had the country for eight years. You used up a city and got your war. You even got to let the Islamic terrorists kill a bunch of blue staters. Please let the grownups clean up now.
-Snorts at grownups and feels terrible-
Anon, usually the reason for us not talking about how stupid Bush is is because we’re all tired of talking about how stupid Bush is…
We get it, he has a weird accent and a strange childish mentality.
Ahhh….the “grownups” were in charge of congress for the last 4 or so years. Why didn’t they “clean up” then?
Four?
Math needs a bit of checking, Semper… Other than that, I can’t even begin to explain the massive ineptitude of politicians.
It’s just so severe that if you saw a politician with morals and half a brain or a Mandrill (a monkey)- cow half-breed, you’d think the politician was more of a physical impossibility
Amen on that brother.
I stand corrected. 3 years this November for the Senate and House.
Simple, He failed to conquer afghanistan. Regardless of morality, the sheer tactical strength our nation would of gained by owning that region would of been astronomical. It would allow us to have a safe oil rout into europe, or at least a rout under our control. As an oil man, Bush knew this, and yet failed miserably to either crush or convert that particular region. He neither made them fear or love us as gods, as leaders, or even as people. All he did is manage to do is piss off a bunch of jackasses with a death with.
“Death with”? Is that like the movie with Tharleth Bronthen?
*snort*
who’s charlotte Bronson?
No no, that’s Charlotte Bronte.
Complex issue requiring a complex answer. At least you actually gave a reasoned answer complete with explanation. I’m sure you could find other presidents with whom to take exception regarding major foreign policy and military decisions. Why does this one particular issue qualify him as the dumbest President?
It doesn’t. But his pattern is disturbing, failed businesses, failed military policy, failed economic policy, failed interrogation policy. “And you know it makes me wonder, What’s going on under the ground, hmmm…”
Wait a sec, Charlie, I’m starting to pick up a pattern here. There’s a word that seems to be repeated here…
Well, once again it makes a cute and easy to read little blurb on a website, but you’d have to share your criteria for judgment before anyone could possible simply nod their head in agreement. What constitutes failure, according to you? To which businesses are you referring? Which economic policy? And failed interrogation policy???
It is a pattern only inasmuch as you have proclaimed it so. it is a world of immense complexity and ours is a government of shared responsibility. Is the congress lily white in all that you survey?
Arbusto/Bush Exploration/Spectrum 7 Energy Corp and others. The economic policy that led to the biggest financial collapse since the Great Depression. The pursuit of interrogation techniques that have been outlawed in the US Army since the Phillipine Insurrection of 1902 and which we prosecuted japanese Officers for post WWII.
I am taking this comment very lightly simply because you use “would of” instead of “would have” which would have been correct.
oooooooh BURN!!!!
Someone call the grammar police, this person didn’t use proper English!!!!!
Please. Calm down.
because intellegnce always = wisdom
Geography fail.. Afghanistan is land locked.. try again.
YES! YESSS!!! FINALLY someone realizes that a bad prez isnt deemed so according to his political views!!!
Also Freemasons were targeted
Catholics, union members, and the mentally ill, too.
The communists were in fact the only ones who fought fascism before the war and stood a chance of preventing it.
The whole labour movement was persecuted, communists, social democrats, union organisers. Since they were the only organised opposition
if by “flighting” you mean signing a non-aggression treaty in which the soviets split up that pesky country poland and took control over a bunch of other “brotherlands”, then yes, absolutely, they were fighting fascism before the war.
and by flighting I mean fighting, because I can type.
I assumed he was referring to the Spanish Civil War, in which an alliance of democratically elected leftist groups (socialists, communists, etc.) fighting against a military uprising that would eventually instill a fascist government. Hitler and Mussolini backed the uprising lead by Francisco Franco whilst the only military aid the democratically elected leftists received was from the USSR and Mexico. The other democracies didn’t get involved.
You are aware that there was a Communist movement in pre-Nazi Germany, right? In fact, providing “security” against said Communists was a major factor in the Nazi party gaining popular support.
And the developmentally disabled, too.
And terminally ill.
But Stalin had a higher body-count, if we’re really going to have an Evil Tyrant Dick Measuring Contest.
Too late – Stalin lol and accompanying death count discussion was last week! (I think. Probably on page 2 or maybe 3 of PK.)
But did they have the above mentioned Contest?
As far as I remember, there was no actual ruler nor any whipping out of zombie dicks, so I guess I’d have to say no.
In Soviet Russia, dick measures you!
Well, wouldn’t eleven million be included in a figure of “6,000,000+”?
Hear Hear!
GODWIN WIN!
+1 Godwin point for you!
collect ten and get a free mustache!
Amen.
WIN!
Any yet we didn’t hear people say that much when it was Bush under fire. It seems like all the ideas that Bush had were bad. President Bush did many great things for America that never got reported on. Now it seems that President Obama’s bad ideas never get reported on, only the ones that looks good on paper.
And what about how bad the war is and how many people are dying over there – still? Nothing in the news about it now – but it is the same war – the same people fighting. Seems like the only people who want the name calling to stop are the people that believe that Bush didn’t do any thing right and Obama is just misunderstood.
That’s not right. I had quite a few people say this exact thing to say to me, and even if you didn’t, that doesn’t mean it wasn’t happening. And the bad things are indeed being reported alongside the good things. The good things are then shown next to them, but you only notice what you want to notice. I can see unfavorable articles and favorable ones.
And yes, the war is still going on. We need to leave them in a condition in which they can support themselves, as opposed to fostering hatred. Not to be needlessly confrontational, but I do believe that on the first day of operation of Iraqi Freedom we killed twice as many civilians as died on 9/11. That is why it was reported upon poorly. We really screwed the pooch.
I disagree with your view of the war in Iraq. There was a reason it was reported that way (to make it seem as though we were just leveling towns full of women and children). Right or wrong, it’s a WAR and innocent people die in war, regardless of who is waging it or for what reason. Doubly so when the people you’re fighting use civilians as human shields.
Cluster bombing massive cities because Sadaam MIGHT have been there is generally considered a massacre. Or at least, me and my liberal views see it that way.
I felt the same way about the bombings in Bosnia during Clinton, but that may be my Conservative views talking
We’re not getting the full story from Iraq or Afganistan, and never will. There are a lot of security issues that go along with reporting on a war, and I think that the way the media handles it is shameful. On both sides.
Honestly, it’s impossible to cover a war in depth and to show all views, motivations, and actions. The coverage is shameful, I will agree, but the media is trying to cover it with what information they have, and I respect that.
And I’m not defending the military actions of the Clinton administration. I’m not a fan of the Bosnian bombings.
Can you name a single city that was “carpet bombed”? Not that I am defending the war, but don’t present false information for emotional impact. Someone did that and that’s how we got there in the first place. There’s plenty of REAL points to be outraged about.
Baghdad. Day one. Cluster bombed.
Attacking civilian populations is a traditional means of fighting wars for the United States government. It can be traced back to the Civil War with (but not limited to) Sherman’s march to the sea. Don’t bicker about who cluster bombed what because it’s part of every war this government has led us into. Wherein the problem lies is megalomaniacs occupying the White House and the fools who put them there. Condemn Bush and Obama for they are the same. Both lie–quite transparently–and both perpetuate needless wars.
Your wrong. The war isn’t needless. It may be the ultimate failure of human interaction, it may be harmful to “children and other living things” it may have been mismanaged, it may be extremely costly in more than monetary terms, but, unfortunately, it is not needless.
*you’re — or you are*
See my earlier comment below — it’s obvious that you don’t understand the difference between cluster bombing and carpet bombing. Intelligent criticism FAIL.
Cluster bombs are evil, whoever is using them, for whatever purpose they are used. The unexploded ordinance is wrapped in bright yellow, making it look too much like a toy to children.
/rant
Not that I disagree with you, but that’s really not the point, is it? The point is that Wolverines seems to be asserting (it’s difficult to tell since he’s confusing terms) that Baghdad was covered in cluster bombs early in the war, when that’s obviously not true.
The Ruskis used to actually drop toys in Afghanistan, so that kids would pick them upp. Horrible stuff.
Another thing is that most of the world has signed a treaty banning cluster weapons, since they lead to such massive civilian casualties due to bombs that dont detonate on impact and stuff. But not the US, nor Israel.
Instead, the US has voluntarily adopteda proposal to drop the level of unexploded munitions below 1% by 2018.
There are certain situations in which cluster bombs reduce the number of civilian casualties, and so the best approach is to make them safer rather than eliminate them entirely and switch back to more deadly munitions. Fortunately, most of the signatories to the Wellington Agreement don’t find themselves in this situation.
It is obvious that “Hrothgar” belongs to that elite bunch who can’t say anything good about America…
However, all presidents are more or less “puppets” of those serving under them! It is how they serve that makes them great or poor & & those who pulls the strings can drop one or pull incorrectly… Just because one is a good orator doesn’t make them a good president!!! So be aware of those who “speak with forked tongues”!
That’s a broad leap in logic.
Not with stilts, Charlie!
First off, “carpet bombing” (which is probably what you meant) and “cluster bombing” (used to deny access to a relatively small area) are two completely different things. One is worthy of outrage, the other is not. Are you a spoon-fed moron, or just hilariously misinformed?
In other words: cite or it didn’t happen, idiot.
DHOTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!! *Hugs* I’ve missed the crazy raving-ness. I dare say the novelty will wear off again, tho…
I’ve missed you AC. That is, if you were the same AC who liked putting tildes on comments in GraphJam
Probably guilty. Tho I don’t remember doing it on graphjam: just here…
Oh. I must be mistaken…
Doesn’t matter. Hi anyway.
Let’s see how you arrived at this viewpoint. First, you decide who you hate (Bush and the military). Then you ascribe to them horrible characteristics (the desire to kill innocents). Then you fantasize that they must have done evil things since you know that they are bad, supporting this with enough technical lingo to make your contention seem plausible (cluster bombing). It would have been truly terrible if the U.S. had used cluster bombs on civilian targets. But they did not. I certainly hope that this does not generally characterize liberal thought, as you suggest, although it is easy to find similar examples.
Don’t forget the magnesium…
so the London bombings and 911 were not the despicable acts of cowardice and terrorism I believed them to be? After all it’s war and innocent people die in war so that makes it all alright then I suppose. Same for all the suicide bombings sure they kill a lot of innocent people in order to kill a few enemy soldiers but that doesn’t make it a particularly evil thing to do, after all it’s a war and innocent people die in wars.
Or is it that mass killings of innocent civilians is only wrong when your enemy does it and not when we do it? That is sheer hypocrisy ask yourself would any suicide bombing you ever heard of suddenly become less terrible an act if the bomb that killed so many innocent people was dropped from a plane instead?
To be clear I supported the Iraq war in the beginning and frankly still think it was a good idea and had it been done right everyone would be better off, sadly the people in charge really screwed the pooch. Regardless the point I`m trying to make is that yes innocent people die in wars but when you wage war with such complete disregard for the lives of innocents you become no better then the people we are fighting.
As for the human shields argument frankly it does not hold up those “human shields” were innocent people ask yourself if they had been using American prisoners instead of Iraqi prisoners as there shields would you still think yeah go ahead and bomb em anyway? no you would insist that everything that could have been done to preserve the lives of those innocents was done. We should demand no less just because those people were foreign citizens they were still innocent human lives.
Perfect point *bows
Well said.
Yeah, I agree with that.
You win this thread.
The only thing I must point out is that 9/11 happened pre-war. 2001 while the war started in 2003. They did not declare war on us… just decided to kill a few thousand of our people to make a point. However the bombings in London were after the war started over there.
Does it make it better? No, not at ALL. But 9/11 was not an act of war… it was just blatant killing.
Nope. In their eyes, it was a holy war. So your point is useless.
The London bombings, the 9/11 attack on the U.S., and suicide bombings are all DESIGNED to kill innocent civilians. The planning optimized the loss of human life. In contrast, the U.S. has spent a fortune on the military to design the most accurate (rather than the most destructive, which would have been a lot cheaper) weapons in order to minimize the loss of life, especially of civilian lives. When the U.S. conducts war, innocent people die because of our inability to conduct war perfectly by destroying strategic targets without ever killing civilians. Nothing about that makes it “right”, but it is a sad and tragic corollary to the unfortunate necessity of violent conflict. I can see no reason to describe these two perspectives as morally equivalent other than to falsely argue that the U.S. is inherently evil, and thereby to create the satisfaction that some people find in wallowing in self-loathing, even if it is undeserved.
Mmm, collateral damage…
I would never try to argue that the US is more evil than other killing countries (which, in one way or other, includes just about every country on Earth, I think). However, I find it a bit … unpleasant, chilling, scary (I can think of the word in Swedish but am at a loss finding the right English word, sorry), when those who fare war try to sell themselves off as less of a civilian killer because it was “just collateral damage”. The person who just had a bomb dropped on them doesn’t care if it was intentional or not. Okay, so mostly they won’t care about anything at all again. But still.
So, anyway – not arguing against you, I think your post made some sense, just adding on another nuance to it.
Wow, you might need to actually start watching the news then, unless you consider the healthcare reform one of Obama’s good ideas. And as for the great things Bush did tearing up the Constitution isn’t exactly a good thing for America, were just as threatened now as we were then. Bush never found bin laden did he.
Finding Bin Laden isn’t as easy as most people make it sound. There are networks of caves all over Afghanistan, and the country of Afghanistan is 251,772 square miles. It is a physical impossiblity to search every inch of it, and we don’t know if he fled to another country.
And healthcare reform is a good idea, just not in the way Obama wishes to implement it.
Our HEALTHCARE is fine. Our insurance and tort, not so much. But I agree with you generally.
And didn’t Bin Ladin die a natural death holed up in a cave with his men? At least, that’s the last I heard on it….
P.S. How long has Bin Ladin been on the FBIs 10 Most Wanted List? Doesn’t that pre-date Bush by like, a lot?
Bin Laden’s death is a possibility, but we do not know if he is dead or not. I’m not sure if Bin Laden has been on that list that long, but 2 minutes of research could probably solve that one.
And I disagree, our healthcare system is not particularly good. We’re something like 26th or so in the world’s hierarchy of healthcare. The insurance system is not a good system at all, and the fact that the board can choose which life saving operations are necessary makes me think that we have a terrible system for getting needed care.
Naturally, letting the leeches that inhabit our government bureaucracies would be far better than letting HMOs do it…. I also seriously doubt that the 25 countries that supposedly have better health care achieved such rankings through socialized insurance or a British-like National Health system. Don’t get me wrong, I love our wasteful, destructive, criminal, incompetent, engorged government. I just don’t want them running markets. That’s all.
Well… based on the % of healthcare spending that disappears into beaurocracy the HMOs are doing a far worse (an order of magnitude worse) job than government overseen schemes.
You don’t fix bad government by getting rid of government. It’s sad so many ppl have been conned into thinking that way.
You want to replace bad government with strong accountable government… not by whittling it away into weak corrupt government beholden to corporate interests.
As it stands, our health care system is profit motivated. The insurance companies are all profit motivated. Our health care system will remain “broken” as long as the main motivator for providing medical services is money.
That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. It is that word you are so afraid of that is responsible for all the medical PROGRESS that takes place, or do you honestly have no comprehension of how economics works? You want an END to all R&D now, you want an END to innovation and an end to all incentives to provide the best innovations possible in this world, eliminate the profit motive altogether, eliminate competition, and watch everything go straight to hell. As it always does. This is as close to economic law as you will ever come. How bizarrely we have been taught to think – up is down, black is white – and people like you just never bother to figure out or educate themselves as to why what they’re saying is patently absurd.
So you’re saying that MONEY is the best reason for medical advances? Not helping people? If this is true, then I’ve lost all faith in humanity. If you take the money factor away from doctors, then yeah, you might lose some doctors. The ones that are motivated by greed. But you’d keep the good doctors. The ones motivated by helping people. I’m not against doctors getting paid well. I think the doctor who delivered my first two children deserves all the money he’s earned. He’s a fantastic doctor. But I’d be sickened if I learned that the only reason he’s a good doctor is greed.
There is more to the healthcare industry than doctors. I think Annie was referring to the equipment and drug industries mostly. Without any incentive to make money there would not be the drive to make better drugs and equipment. If the government ran telephone companies we will all still be using rotary dial phones lol.
Again, what about the desire to help people? Are you saying that without money as the main motivator that innovation dies? Is that really the motivation for innovation? And there’s nothing wrong with making money for what they do. But making money at the expense of people’s well-being is just sick. It doesn’t have to be that way.
It’s not that money is the main motivator, but even a doctor has to feed his family and feel that doing what he loves to do is worthwhile. I know I wouldn’t stick with a job very long if I wasn’t getting some type of monetary reward out of it to provide for my and my family’s future, no matter how much I loved it.
Doctors are not getting $50,000 per amputation as “kick back” (hur hur hur) money. They are not being grossly overcompensated for what they do. Their money goes toward student loans, malpractice insurance, living costs, and other things that the rest of us have to worry about on a daily basis, along with some things that we’ve never heard of. There are some doctors making bank for what they do, but they are highly specialized and have worked for years to do what they do the best. Your average healthcare provider is making what he needs to live, and not much more.
Taking out the profit margin would kill healthcare as we know it, because it would keep qualified doctors from being able to get into a system that needs them. When the government has the purse strings, then the government will tell medical students “Hey, we dont’ need any more neurosurgens, we need some general practitioners. So stop what you’re studying even though this is what you’ve wanted to do your whole life and go into THIS practice, because we need you here more. Oh, and by the way, now you’ll only get paid the bare minimum for you to live, because we really can’t afford this either. Even by taxing the shit out of the rich, who are moving to the Caymens. No, we don’t know why they’re moving, but gosh darn it, they are.”
Actually the US is nr 37th in the world in the last big study, it was either the WHO or the UN, one of the two. And yes, almost all the countries before it on the list have “socialized” healthcare in some form since youre basically the only industrialized country not to have it. Youre apparently fantastic at treating cancer but not that great at a lot of other stuff. You do wonderful work on the rich, theyre very healthy, but the poor and middle class are a lot worse off than in most other western nations, your infant mortality is closer to the third world than the first apparently.
Well since the drug companies stay private, and the machine manufacturers stay private theres still a profit incentive.
I’m just curious how those numbers stack up when you take into account the number of illegals we have taking advantage of our medical care without the preventative care associated with their problems, and other factors that will skew the numbers? Last time I checked, I see people coming HERE for medical care, not leaving.
Absolutely, but those who come are either from a third world country (Mexico and most of South America) or filthy rich flying in from overseas. And like I said, youre very good at treating the rich.
We are also very good at treating the poor. That’s where a lot of the problems lie, the fact that we’re treating the poor who came over the border because they knew they wouldnt get good treatment in Mexico or wherever else. Because they aren’t able to pay, insurance rates and costs go up for the rest of us, and because they didn’t use the type of preventative care that most of our citizens use beforehand they skew the death numbers. The new healthcare bill has no provision to prevent illegals from using it, so I don’t see that situation doing anything but getting worse in the future.
I’m not arguing that we shouldn’t take care of those who can’t take care of themselves. I’m arguing that the numbers you’re using to get the US down to only 30th or whatever in the world are skewed.
But if you examine your infant mortality rates and a bunch of other statistics, youre NOT great at treating the poor. The highest figure Ive seen on the amount of illegal aliens in the US was 12 million, in a country of 307 million people thats less than 3 percent, and theres way more than three percent difference between the US and the rest of the world in quality. But youve got more than double the cost per capita for healthcare, and evidently not as good quality.
facts are here: http://www.who.int/whosis/en/
And also, Im willing to admit that there are huge flaws in the system we have in Sweden, there is need of a lot more money to healthcare, some of the waiting times are far too long etc, but a lot of americans simply seem to not want to admit that there is anything that theyre not the best at, nothing in the world. Its a bit depressing, to find the worlds most powerful nation so insecure that it cant admit its flaws.
I never said doctors shouldn’t make good money for what they do. In fact, I said that they should. You wanna keep a profit margin? Fine, but you’ve got to reduce the costs *across the board*. That’s not gonna happen if the health care industry is left to regulate itself. Whether its Obama’s health care plan or something else, the government is gonna have to regulate it somehow, and do quite a bit of it. Just like every other industry in America that has gotten out of control, those in health care are not gonna regulate themselves, and they won’t think twice about making you and me take up the tush. And it’s gonna start hurting them the same way it hurt the housing industry. How many people end up going bankrupt on medical bills? How many people have credit ratings in the 500s or lower because they can’t pay their medical bills? It won’t hurt nearly as bad as the mortgages because hospitals and doctors still get paid by insurance, but they’ve gotta be missing those dollars nonetheless.
And I still think that money is the main motivator in health care today, which is why we’re in such sorry shape.
To Rando, you remind me of an awesome bit of intelligence someone mentioned on another forum I was reading… “Progress comes from RESPONSIBILITY, not regulation.”
No, you fool, I’m saying they aren’t POSSIBLE without money available to FUND them. That’s where those profits go and that’s why we have the highest standard of health care in the entire world, bar none. That’s why people try to come here, not leave here. Good god, this is not rocket science. Wake the f*ck up.
“You fool”
I haven’t heard that in my imagined version of your accent in aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaages….
That would be great, if you did have the highest standard of health care. Check your facts, the US is great at cancer but is lacking in a lot of basic stuff like infant mortality, lifespan etc
Higher rate of maternal mortality (death of mother during childbirth) than any of the other ‘first world’ countries.
We have the highest standard of health care in the world??? I had no idea the rest of the world was doing that badly. I feel so sorry for them. The numbers pretty universally say that our health care is lacking. This. system. is. broken. Whether you like Obama’s health care plan or not, what we have now is a joke.
We fall short of Germany, Japan, England many other “first world countries”, Anniee. Check your facts and wake up.
You go, Aniee451!! Half of these college grads are so fixed on what the socialist schools teach them they have no idea about health care as they just finished using their parents’ insurance! Com’on… this so-called revised & new health care system is targeted for the illegals who come here for free childbirth, etc. If the poor, LEGAL Americans could get help, it would be nice. In WA State you can apply for the WA State insurance program, which is great for the poorer folk…
YOU wake the f*ck up. This is what Canadian public Health has developed (Cut-and-paste alert, and no, I left out the stuff from before Universal health in ’66):
-AIDS drug 3TC
Developed by Francesco Bellini, Gervais Dionne, and Bernard Belleau, founders of Montreal-based BioChem Pharma, 3TC is today recognized as the most widely used drug in the world in the treatment of HIV
-Discovery Of The T-cell receptor
“The progress of science, especially medical science, is driven by the way we understand mechanisms and how they work,” says Dr. Tak Wah Mak, co-discoverer in 1984 of the T-cell receptor and the gene that produces it. Understanding how T-cells work has helped in developing new drugs for fighting infection, autoimmune disorders, cancer and post-transplant rejection.
-Safer Stem Cells
Researcher Andras Nagy has found a way to safely generate stem cells from adult human skin cells, opening the possibility in the future of using a patient’s own cells to reverse damage caused by disease, injury, aging or genetics and cure diseases whose treatment costs the Canadian health-care system billions of dollars a year.
-Able Walker
The walker was patented by Norm Rolston in 1986
-Prosthetic Hand
An electric prosthetic invented by Helmut Lucas in 1971
and, most recently,
-Percutaneous aortic valve replacement
The technique is performed under local anaesthesia and light sedation. “These patients had been rejected for surgery because they had a one in three chance of dying. So we took them on and our mortality was much less than had been anticipated.”
“This minimally invasive technique is promising and will hopefully affect clinical practice not only in Canada but around the world. What is particularly encouraging is the short amount of time that it takes these patients to get back to normal life.”
NWB, I have a suggestion for you. Read the bill, or at least the sections pertaining to the immigrant population.
Maybe those gosh darned college graduates are onto something, if you’d like to check your facts or cite sources.
If you expect people to go through 4 years of college, 4 years of med-school, 4 years of de facto indentured servitude, emerging with mountains of debt, solely because, “they want to help people,” you are horribly naive. On the reverse of that coin, people who are motivated purely by profit won’t jump through all the hoops to become a doctor when they could be a lawyer, or engineer, or biochemist, etc. People become doctors because they can be well compensated for doing something they like to do. Remove either factor, and its just not cost effective to be a doctor anymore.
Profit-driven health care is sick. Period. There’s nothing wrong with making a living. But when money becomes more important than helping people in that field, then there is something wrong. There are fields where the motivating factor HAS to be wanting to help people or else it just falls apart. I have never said let’s make doctors poor like the rest of us. I’ve said money can’t be the motivation behind health care. And anyone who says money is what makes health care great or innovative has stolen another tiny bit of what little faith I have left for the human race.
I worked in a hospital while going to college. I saw how hard these people have to work, it’s not easy and then the sadness of watching people suffer and die. Old people, children, babies. These people need to be paid and paid well or NO ONE will want to do this work. Yes, it would be a nice thing to have helping people in a health care job be it’s own reward but it’s a little bit pollyanna-ish to think that would suffice. You also run the risk of under paid staff abusing patients through neglect if you don’t have the best and most well paid staff. This is just my 2 cents and no I haven’t read this entire thread so sorry if this has been said a million times… Profit and reward DOES motivate us to do better, doing something worthwhile is it’s own reward yes but that is the rare individual that is willing to do something like that 24/7.
I see a difference between having good salaries for people employed and being profit-driven. A profit-driven company would prefer to keep salaries down to have more profit, wouldn’t they?
No, not necessarily. To get the best workers and to keep them happy and make them stay you would try to pay them more than competitors. You see that going on now with sign on bonuses for health care workers. There will always be good healthy competition for workers in a free market.
Anniee! I come back after 2 months and find you cheery as ever! Have you ever been to La Tomatina festival in Spain? You should totally go. You don’t have to bother talking to people you don’t like. You can just pelt them with rotten tomatoes and rip their shirts instead. Maybe you’d be less pissed off afterwards, I don’t know.
Nicely put, AC.
Hello, I don’t know if I know you. Pleased to meet you.
AC, may I please re-introduce the former Eric-in-STL? Rando, re-meet AC. Cookies anyone?
Oh wow. Hi Eric!
ANd maybe I shouldn’t be eating cookies at two in the morning…
No chocolate chips, so no caffeine. Have a cookie, pre-snooze!
Oh yeah. I forgot that you don’t know the new name. LOL
It’s so wonderful to see AC back from her European Vacation and I am not seething in jealousy in the least.
And a [LINK] for Anniee…
That was a very educational article that I’m sure Anniee will completely dismiss.
Yeah, it’s the “educational” part I am sure she’ll have a problem with.
“Oh Washington Post. Yeah, that’s a great source. Here, look at this blog I found that has numbers that say undeniably that 100% of Americans will die in house fires if Obamacare gets passed! Now THAT is someone who knows their stuff! It also says that Obama routinely has sex with the family dog! I fvcking knew it!!!!11!!! *froth froth*”
I want to die of a botched abortion! Can’t you READ?!
Froth? Did I miss the latte cart again?
Yeah, but we don’t bother getting our froth from some lame ass milk. We go straight to the froth source and get it from Anniee. We buy in bulk and save!
*hugs her Starbucks and whimpers* But I don’t want Anniee froth. It’ll make me crazy. Also, I think that might be just the teensiest bit unsanitary.
So… should I be honored when Anniee calls me “froth boy” all the time when we butt heads?
It’s people like you that make me hate humanity.
the most ridiculous thing i have hever heard
frosty paws
ice cream for dogs
it is curious that 9/11 is NOT one of the crimes they have listed for him
Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world.
On most political points, I’m republican. But Wolverines, I agree 100% with you on this one. Healthcare reform is a GREAT idea…but the way Obama is going about it isn’t the way to go.
I may not agree with some of Obama’s ideas and views, but “we” need to stop the name calling and absurd paranoia regarding Obama.
Thank you for constructive discussion, as opposed to the general level of debate that goes on in these comments threads.
I say we need reform, due to that fact that my dad is a doctor on a medical board for such an insurance company. He’s fat paid, but he comes back with horror stories everyday.
I gotta agree with you lot, but my advice is, don’t reform it into something like the Birtish NHS unless you are SURE it will go well. While the NHS is good, its understaffed and under-equipped. I’ve been on the waiting list for 2 years just to get some braces.
The NHS is a great idea, alot like Communism, but it hasn’t worked out so well, alot like Communism. And also, forgive me as my American goverment knowledge ain’t so good, but do you get a refferendum on major things like reform and stuff?I mean public ones, like everyone person in the U.S votes? Or is that just for the Presidential Election?
That’s just for Presidential Elections. Somehow, we got the idea that in America, if we have local elections and send people to Washington to represent our ideals, they will stick with those ideals and do the right thing. Instead, they get to Washington, realize it’s a boy’s club where the champaigne flows like water, and decide to stay, no matter the cost to the country.
And, to keep it fair, that’s true no matter political party you vote for. Republicans & Democrats alike pull that stuff. I’ve voted for Democrats in the past who I want to strangle now for turning into Gutless Weak-Kneed Pencil-Necked Men. LOL
Oh, I didn’t mean it was one particular party that did it! Far from it! It’s pretty much all of them, and their little dogs, too. Not just Rs and Ds, Independants and anyone else who is touched by the simpering, clammy hand of Washington.
I think thats my strongest argument against first-past-the-bar elections when you have a set district and a set congressman, it makes it near impossible to start new parties so you end up with extremely few options, the US and the UK are perfect examples where the UK has three major parties and the US has two.
We won’t get to vote on the health care reform. Some things, mostly at local or state levels, we get to vote on. We don’t get a lot of say in stuff done at the federal level. Congress and the president do that stuff, and we just hope it works out okay for us. LOL. That’s in general. I guess there are exceptions.
Ok thanks… I always imagined the USA as a big free country wehre everyone had a say in everything. Instead, it seems that certain people lie, get in power, and break all the promises they made to the people.
While in Switzerland, it looks like a huge law-obiding goverment controlled place, but they have referendums on everything. I mean everything! Our President only lasts a year, so they can’t put any-long term policy into place. Instead we have PEOPLE power! It fails after a while, mainly because there are at least 100,000 things to vote on a year.
And why don’t you just kill those people in congress who break thier promises? A little accident here and there, who know what might happen?
Because money is power here. If you’ve got the money, you’ve got yourself a congress seat. Plus, many times, a name will go a long way. In Missouri, you can almost guarantee yourself a bright political future with the last name “Carnahan.” There also aren’t term limits to Congress like there are to the presidency. Some congressmen have spent decades there. Once someone gets that rooted into their congressional seat it’s damn near impossible to uproot them.
:O
Then you should put limits on congressmens terms! You do it for El Presidente, so why not for los Congressmenos? Or will money stop you again?
The people in Congress get to vote on their own congressional terms. If they put that particular vote to the people, they’d probably have 1 year terms and that’s it. It’s definitely not a perfect system, what with the inmates running the assylum and all.
Yeah, Congress will never agree to that. Finally, something Democrats & Republicans in Washington agree on.
That and their pay-raises of course.
Actually, term limits would probably require a Constitutional Amendment, which is no easy thing get done.
Hold on now, Rando. Several members of the Carnahan family have been in public service and have earned the respect and affection of their constituents. I’m a Missourian who is a big fan of the Carnahans, and will campaign for Robin when she runs for the Senate.
Hey, I wasn’t dissing the Carnahans. I campaigned for Russ. I’m proud to have voted for Mel AFTER he died. Russ is a bit wishy-washy on some things. I don’t have anything against Robin, I don’t think. The name Carnahan usually guarantees a bright political future for a reason.
“Thank you for constructive discussion, as opposed to the general level of debate that goes on in these comments threads.”
“I say we need reform, due to that fact that my dad is a doctor on a medical board for such an insurance company.”
Did you REALLY just insult our level of debate and then say “My dad is a doctor, this is anecdotal proof”?
Are you an idiot?
Republican too – sick of the party frankly. Sick of politicians worried about re-election and not seemingly worried about representing its public constituents. Tired of both sides trying to tug me this way then that. Time for elected officials to stop talking above us or down to us (from either party) and listen.
As for name-calling – the problem is that I agree, name-calling isn’t solving, nor will it, any issues. So long as either side validates name-calling we’re finished before we start to make a difference.
Finally, unfortunately – while I agree comparing someone to Hitler is ridiculous until someone kills 6,000,000 plus people guilty of nothing but being ‘different’ – is it appropriate to wait until someone kills that many to label someone what they are? I’m not suggesting anyone is Hitler but Hitler – but a complacent attitude EVER is exactly what allowed Hitler the power and opportunity to kill all those folks. The key to my feeble way of thinking is to be prepared to learn from the past and take necessary steps before another Hitler can be empowered.
Is Obama or was Bush equal to Hitler? I don’t believe that but the argument can certainly be made they both (Bush and Obama) have taken steps similar to those Hitler did to grasp the power he ultimately had to possess in order to kill innocent folks who disagreed with him.
Printing money indiscriminately to cover debt that is already not backed by much (so far as collateral is concerned) to the degree these last two Presidents are responsible for is just too frighteningly similar to printing deutsch marks and flooding the global economy with the specific intent of crippling same – I’m not calling anyone Hitler – I agree it is sophomoric at best – I’m only suggesting we need to keep a close watch ALWAYS – we don’t want to say wow, we shoulda recognized some of the same warning signs before all those folks were killed.
FWIW (I know – now you’ve got all the reason in the world to call me a nut-job, loony, racist et al – whatever).
WE CAN’T WAIT UNTIL THERE’S ANOTHER HITLER TO GUARD AGAINST AND QUESTION ACTIONS THAT APPEAR TO RESEMBLE HIS. We must keep all Presidents in check (without calling names) and say so when things that are happening are wrong – citing precedent seems to be the only way to say something and keep our leaders in check.
True, but that doesn’t mean we should drown them out in town halls, when someone is trying to be civil, trying to advocate your right to the first amendment by taking away someone else’s. However, Hitler actually gained peoples’ faith and belief in him by doing great things for his country’s economy. I know, he was an immoral, impossibly horrid person, and no country should worship it’s leader as infallible like that, but just because someone does something that Hitler’s done it doesn’t make them the same person. Hitler was, despite his MASSIVE moral failings, an extremely intelligent leader. I’m not trying to defend the Holocaust in any way, shape, or form, just that saying someone is doing the same things Hitler would have doesn’t necessarily mean they’re doing something horrible- it could just mean they’re trying to help fix the problems we have, and it may damn well not mean that they are as much as a horrid, dreadful person as he was.
The racism, the eugenics, the holocaust, were all part of the global (at least within all “developed countries”) zeitgeist too. Hitler wasn’t quite as nutty as he appears today.
Arr, that reads as if I am trying to defend him. I wasn’t. I am trying to say that: every person, at any time, must look at what’s going on in their world. If we compare leaders today to Hitler, we’ll let them get away with far too bad shite just because “at least they’re not as nuts as Hitler”, forgetting that in the 1930s race biology was widely considered to make sense. :p
The Nazis and their predecessors got much of their ideas about eugenics from Americans.
In some states they sterilized criminals and ‘wayward’ children and the mentally deficient before it became popular in Germany.
Bush tore up the Constitution? It’s interesting that you bring this up in the thread about whether “Bush is Hitler” because it has the same mindless group-thinking behind it. I suppose during the Bush years there was no freedom of speech, since liberal commentators couldn’t criticize the government in public, no freedom of the press, since newspapers couldn’t print bad news about the Iraq War, and no freedom of assembly, since Code Pink couldn’t have protests in front of the Marine recruiting station in Berkeley. And Bush got his way on everything, ending a woman’s right to choose to have an abortion, privatizing social security, and securing a lasting Republican government to lead the U.S. for the next century. Tore up the constitution? What nonsense!
Nonsense indeed! Bush Jr didn’t tear up the constitution! Everyone knows he wiped his ass on it!
He didn’t get away with as much as he wanted to, but the Patriot Act went a fair way to squishing it into a tight little ball
good point…so, enlighten me. What, if anything, did Bush jr. accomplish?
Increased aid to Africa, especially with respect to AIDS. Except for the condoms of course. But I respect any increase in that area. (lefty liberal, here)
I respect condoms.
I don’t really feel anything with condoms…I mean ABOUT condoms. About. That’s what I meant.
I like fist ‘em. Good times.
Wait, what?
I like *TO* fist ‘em. You know, stick your fist in it all the way up the arm?
Oh okay. I was kinda confused there for a second.
I have a hard time thinking after a long day of talking to stupid people.
-hugs charro- so you come and talk to us
You’re not stupid bitter one! Neither is Rando, froo, Jane, Max, Tygor, Charlie, Danbala, suicide_blonde, Eds, DWN, pitty, LG, shortright, the list goes on. Much love to my PK friends!
Love you right back!
bitter troll loves everyone, and his bitter bitter beer
*loves* ^_^
Bow-chicka-…oh. Wrong kind of love.
Or is it all the right kinds of love? *dramatic soap opera trill*
*sniffle* No love for Ivan? See? Atheists are now the most hated group. *wanders off weeping like a girl*
*loves Ivan*
-loves on ivan, anally-
*loves Janie back*
*kicks bitter in his backside* Naughty troll! Charro! Your troll will NOT leave my heiny alone! I’m worried about that boy…
Ivan, I love you! I just couldn’t remember everyone’s name. My secret shame is being dain bramaged from years of drug and alcohol addiction.. But I love you. And sorry about bitter. bitter! Get over here and love ME anally, damnit! I love all of you! *hugs*
-pounces and snuggles charro with smoochies-
*hugs* I knew that charro. I was just being a typical needy male. *blush*
Ok, Ivan. But don’t joke about being hated for being an atheist, my mum is atheist and I love her to pieces! *hugs* I’m not an atheist, more.. spiritually agnostic. That’s my own term.
*snuggles with bitter troll, after prying him off Ivan’s ass*
I’m a Christian and I still love Ivan…like a brother, yo. Don’t get any ideas.
We love ALL OF YOU!
Both of us!
Well, all NINE of us if you count HIS friends tooo. -Points to own noggin-
Just kidding.
I’m not schizophrenic.
Yet.
Love you back, bro. I’m not worried about you being interested in my ass. Nobody can SEE my ass. Bitter troll has it “covered”. *sigh*
Excuse me…is that eu de trolle you’re wearing?
bitter troll is konfused…
kayne west said George bush dont care about black people…
could kayne be wrong??
Bush was under fire? You mean that he actually participated in his generation’s war and didn’t really hide out (part time) in the part time Air National Guard?
In order to fly fighter jets for the Air National Guard, you go through all of the same training as for the full time Air Force, about 2 years of full time schooling alongside your Air Force counterparts. You have to be pretty smart, understanding such things a mathematical description of supersonic airflow, physically fit to handle the rigors of aerial combat, and have excellent judgment to be allowed to operate multi-million dollar, high performance aircraft, sometimes in situations where you are visibly representing the nation. There is an element of danger, since, on average, a few dozen people lose their lives doing this in peacetime training every year. If you’re in the Air National Guard, you are subject to being called to active duty and to reporting for combat. Serving there was an honorable option. Even if Bush chose it in order to avoid a greater likelihood of fighting in Vietnam in some other capacity, as seems likely, an indictment of him on this count would apply even much more greatly to the many people who avoided that war by college deferments and other means. Do we really mean to belittle so many of our fellow citizens?
That’s all well and good, but Bush signed up for a military service… the folks in college, didn’t.
Right. So Bush was not dodging nearly so much as those who took the college deferment, since he was taking some chance of being called to active duty and Vietnam, whereas those taking the college deferment were completely exempt. You’re making my point for me, although somehow I suspect you aren’t meaning to do so.
I looked the dates up in Wikipedia (tried to post a link, but PK ate it). George W. Bush joined the Air National Guard on May of 1968. He graduated from college in spring of 1968. Which means that Bush joined as soon as his college deferment was over. Sorry fantomflyer, but you are incorrect.
V.G. he also quit in April of 1973, 3 months after active combat troops were removed from Vietnam — things that make you say hmmmm.
Well, we COULD get into another debate about Kerry also, but really, let’s not. Truth is, I don’t doubt for a moment that Bush was ‘speculating’ about our involvement in SE Asia, and he probably had prior knowledge from his dad about when the U.S. would leave the area. At the time, a lot of people were trying to take the easy path without actually dodging the draft. It could have backfired on him, but with his dad in government service, this wasn’t likely.
True, old buddy, but I respect someone who was in-country more than someone who figured out how to stay out, even if in-country was a REMF, he was still there.
I agree, Charlie. The comment about Kerry was really meant tongue-in-cheek. I don’t want to revisit THAT debate again, really, I don’t!
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McCain has it all over Bush in that respect.
I might have voted for him in 2000.
During my brief attempt at being Republican, I was hoping for McCain before Bush won the nomination.
“my brief attempt at being Republican”
Hah.
That’s the first laugh I’ve gotten out of PK for quite some time now. Reminds me very much of when I tried to be Christian. ;p
It was a short affair, with one presidential vote that will haunt me forever. By the time the war in Iraq started, I had come to my senses. Never. Again.
Blah, blah, blah. So he got his pilots license. Spare me the “element” of danger — let’s see, go into a combat zone, risk enemy fire, explosions, etc or drive a sports car REALLY fast. fmr pres Bush is MA” H.E.R.O. Give me a break!
In this case, I agree.. a war hero he wasn’t..
Bush allowed 90% of all Americans killed by terrorism under his watch. He instituted systematic torture of innocent people. He took us from record surpluses to record deficits. And let’s even get into the supreme idiocy which was the Iraq War. You and I must have very, very different ideas of what constitutes “great things.”
1. I fail to see how Bush was any more responsible for 9-11 happening than his predecessor; he didn’t “allow” it to happen, it happened because our intelligence agencies and immigration agency had their thumbs up their collective asses for far too long.
2. Waterboarding fewer than 10 people does not constitute, “systematic.” The people who it was done to were far from innocent, being either leaders or assistants to leaders.
3. The surplus to deficit issue is far too complicated to discuss in-depth here, but it bears mentioning that we managed a surplus when the economy was booming, and started running deficits during a recession (and then continued spending through the recovery and into the next recession, granted).
I’m no great fan of Bush, but it irritates me when people get all foamy-mouthed over him for spurious or fallacious things. He was not a great President, but he was certainly not our worst.
Which is not true. The warnings very many and came from many sources.
I don’t believe that Bush is responsible for it, but I do not mind pointing out that 9/11 was the new Pearl Harbor which the neocons in their blueprint of Sep 2000 called out for. 9/11 provided exactly what they needed.
…and yet no one put 2+2 together in time to warn anyone effectively. You seem to be assuming malice when incompetence is far, far more likely.
The argument against our immigration policy stands; ten of the 9-11 hijackers were here on expired visas, doctored passports, or violated other laws, all of which should have led to them being deported before 9-11. Problem is, INS (now 2 agencies, ICE & INS), didn’t and doesn’t check to make sure people leave the country when they are supposed to. In fact, the majority of illegal immigrants in this country came here legally and overstayed their welcome.
Bush is more responsible because he was President for nine months beforehand. That’s what “in charge” means.
There is no possibility you would be making the same argument if the Party affiliations were switched.
Ok…So Obama is responsible for the crappy economy and high unemployment…as he has been president for 8 months now. STFU and try and get smarter. You sir are an idiot.
Don’t call people idiots if your logic doesn’t follow. What Anon is saying is “This recession started during Bush’s administration and the 9-month economic decline and 9 months before that started occurred while Bush was in office.”
It’s not Obama’s fault if we catch him, at the very least, TRYING to clean up the giant dookie that is the economy. He’s trying to fix it, but he didn’t start it. You, sir, made a dumbass point.
Your right. The economic decline started while the Democrats controlled both houses of congress. I stand corrected…I guess.
WOW! Bush allowed 90% of ALL AMERICANS killed?! You mean in 1999 there were 3 BILLION American citizens? HOLY SHIT!
You don’t remember that? It was a tight squeeze. Bismarck had a population of 10.7 million that year.
Bismarck, NORTH DAKOTA?! My word.
Yeah, then Bush allowed 90% of Americans to be killed, and I think there are like 27 people left in Bismarck now. The massacre was especially brutal on the people of North Dakota.
Poor North Dakota.
I can’t believe I am going to do this but….Here it goes…In Anon’s defense (that hurt) I believe he was refering to 90% of americans killed by terrorists. Please excuse me while I go throw up.
*hands over the alka-seltzer*
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It’s ok, it was for the greater good. You’ll feel better in a couple of hours.
Do.. you.. mean that 90% of all Americans killed during Bush’s term were killed by terrorists? Cause, you restated what he said.. Which is 90% of Americans were killed by terrorists (during Bush’s term).
Look, I know what he thinks he was trying to say and I was being snarky. Way to ruin the joke
…and 7.2 million fertile women.
Handmaid’s Tale come true?
That book was creepy on so many levels.
Your advice is worth every bit of what we paid for it… thanks.
LoL WIN. Comment FAIL.
True dat!!
As in, this lol makes sense
Finally – someone talking some sense – not only does this type of name calling lower the quality of the political discussion (to about a 1st-grade level), it minimizes the horror of what Hitler did by turning him into a caricature.
I believe that was Mel Brooks’ plan all along. He wanted to turn Hitler into a joke to take away from whatever power he might have once had.
All I want is a little piece…of Poland.
It’s Springtime for Hilter!
*tosses flowers*
You must read a lot of TVTropes….or maybe have watched Mel Brook’s “The Producers”
The latter – I love Mel Brooks movies!
Winter for Poland and France!
Were marching to a faster pace
look out, here comes the master race!
(absolutely classic stuff)
“Don’t be stupid; be a smarty.
Come and join the Nazi party!”
Love that movie.
I was born in Düsseldorf and that is why they call me Rolf:)
OT: I likes your nickname. ;p Are you a kålrot?
Haha, indeed I am cabbage…;) (Kålrot for you non-Swedes out there, if you exist on the internets)
Are you a flygande byxmonster?
No… En kålrot is a swede! At least that’s what I’ve been taught…
Sorry, I am not famililar with a flygande byxmonster is. I mostly wear a kjol anyway. ;p
Oh thats rights!:P comletely forgot about that one.
Cabbagehead:)
Kjols are mainly worn by ze females and scotsmen, which one are yah?! huh?!?
I only wear skirts when I graduate from things, its a principle of mine
Hmm, mainly worn by, yes. Men in skirts are a delight to the eye.
I am, technically, female.
Technically?
Technically, indeed. My gender gets questioned so often I have kinda settled for being technically female but practically just a difficult person who apparently is asking for aggression by not being feminine enough a female. ;p
-Grins and giggles his little head off-
If it helps any, Danbala, whenever I have a substitute in Science they come up to me and my female desk partner’s desk and say “How are you ladies doing? OH! Sorry!
Haha.
Disturbing people’s cushy gender specifications can be fun (as long as they don’t get aggressive about, of course), and/or heartbreaking – I feel sorry for little kids who are already so stuck in their views of How It Should Be that they can’t accept that a “girl” could look like me.
Yeah.. With that skinny little stick figure and one big eye, you barely look human and nothing like a girl.. Einsturzende Neubauten……
Godwin’s Law!!!!!!
It’s like a reverse Godwin’s Law. The argument actually STARTED with Hitler and has evolved from there.
Evolved, or DEvolved? Is there anywhere else to go when you start with Hitler?
There’s nowhere to go but up. Even the redundant health care debate we’re having is a step up from Hitler.
I don’t think we need to wait until millions of people are gassed before we declare our leaders acting inappropriately. I’d hope we could be critical of them before that point was reached.
Not that the comparisons are valid in these cases, but damn, I’d prefer they were discussed before genocide rather than after.
oooh snarky comment, but you missed the point. We shouldn’t be “name calling” (especially in comparison to Hitler) before anything seriously wrong has gone down.
And you seem to have missed my point as well. Something seriously wrong shouldn’t have to be past tense before we can be critical of it.
I agree that name calling isn’t the best choice. However, the spirit of silencing opposition is it’s own brand of frightening.
and what exactly is seriously wrong in your OPINION? No one is silencing the opposition, or even trying for that matter, it would be impossible to do so. You’re reading too much into the LoL, your demeanor screams republican, it’s not a good thing.
Speaking of name-calling…
is calling someone a republican name calling now? I’ll have to remember that one.
Speaking of suicidial blondes, did you hear the one about the mirror at the bottom of a pool?
By your own admission, being a Republican is not a good thing. Hence, name calling.
my mistake, if someone was a republican and I said “you are so republican” to them regardless of how I meant it I would think they would say “thank you” if they were proud of what they are. I guess in my young mind name calling is only when something is taken as an insult, my fault from coming from a generation where being called “dork” “n*gga” and “b*tch” are considered terms of endearment.
Thank you for your opinions on the matter I will now start yelling “REPUBLICAN” to anyone who cuts me off in traffic.
Do you not read what you write? Or do you just spout shit hoping for a reaction? You definitely said that being a Republican is not a good thing. Does that mean I can call you a slut, but really mean you’re virginal?
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What you wrote WAS intended as an insult, no matter how much you try and say otherwise.
I guess I just spout shit, but did you read what I said? I did say that being a republican is not a good thing, but that is purely my opinion, it doesn’t mean it’s right or true, and it doesn’t mean it’s “name calling”. Insulting? Yes, I see what you mean, but not name calling. Republican is not universally seen as an “insult” (or is it?) “slut” is definitely name calling though, no matter who/what/where, but if I really was a slut I’d guess I wouldn’t have much to say about it but I’ve grown past those days so *shrugs* man, I’m sorry for pissing you all off, I guess I smoked too much weed today. I’ll quit being so republican now.
Actually, I did read what you posted, but all I heard was WHARGARBL. At least we know what the end result of smoking weed will do for you.
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FWIW, I am a Republican and I don’t consider it an insult to be called one. However, there are those of the Democrat persuasion that would want to kick your ass for calling them one (the same as calling someone a slut or flipping them the bird.)
its not so much calling us a democrate but how one can say it, say it like its an insult, like we are all a bunch of unshaven dirty smelly tree humping fools who are scared of a hard days work. well..that just annoys us
Hey, man…let’s not jump to any hasty conclusion about the weed!
…wait, but I am an unshaven dirty smelly tree humping fool who is scared of a hard day’s work. Did I screw up somewhere?
And don’t forget otter-scrubbers!
well someone has to scrub the otters
I need someone to scrub my otter. It was playing in the oil spill again.
You didn’t screw up, Rando.
I am too. SO MANY TREES, SO LITTLE TIME!
I don’t think you’ve smoked enough weed today, actually.
YOU’RE RACIST!
OH MY GOD I AM?!?!? WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN?!?!?!? IS THERE A CURE?!?!?!?
cheers! I’m off then
Smoke more weed! That’s a cure!
hahaha yay Charro you made me laugh again, I did just smoke a bowl, that probably helped, but still
now now, neither democrate, republican, liberal or conseritive is an insult, or should be now. we can get along if we try…now lets all have us a sing song hmmm?
Kum Ba Yah, my friend, Kum Ba Yaaaaaah…
Michael row your boat ashore..
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Reminds me of church camp and a youth!
*as* .. gah!
when you and the priest would snuggle close and roast marshmellows in the same sleeping bag?
I’m reminded of a youth too.. A youth named Jesus.
No! The priest smells of cheap wine..
Socialist on the other hand
OMG. You sound so bloody American, it makes me embarrassed for you, poor thing.
Calling someone American is namecalling? It all depends how you phrase it.
I disagree, and you are a wanker. Have a nice day.
(can you tell how I phrased it?)
Oh, phrasing can not make the difference between how a label is perceived? Interesting concept.
I was disagreeing to me sounding so bloody american, quit sidebustin, geeze what is with people?! LoL
“what is with people?!”
Good question. I don’t know, but a majority of the posters here actually manage to have good conversations with each other, despite differences of opinion. If you find that a lot of people are being ornery towards you, might it have more to do with how you come across, than with the people in question?
ok now I know I’ve smoked too much weed today I thought you were a different person from the original who insulted my being american, you in fact were not sidebustin but responding to my comment, thank you.
Well, I actually did try to make some sort of point, albeit possibly a kind of childishly aggressively formulated one.
truce
I haven’t said a word which could lead you to believe I am a democrat or a republican. That would primarily be because I am neither.
What’s wrong right now? There is merit in the idea that the spending we are doing to “lessen” the damage of this recession could in and of itself put us in another just as we’re recovering naturally from this one. The consequences of this, recession after recession with little or no recovery time, are signifigant and in the worst case scenerio deadly.
As I said, calling Obama the new Hitler over this is absolutely incorrect and foolish. Criticizing opposition simply for voicing such concerns is equally foolish, in my opinion. The free and healthy exchange of ideas is critical to the health of democracy. Let’s keep ideas alive, even when they’re wrong and we don’t like them. The freedom of the people to be wrong and vocal about it makes our society stronger than countless others.
S’okay, Shushnik, someone was just looking for a fight.
I was not looking for a fight, quit sidebustin
I retract this comment, I was looking for a fight, I just didn’t know it yet
unfortunately for me, and luckily for you, my computer just completely erased everything I had just typed and I have no desire to sit here and re write my response to your opinions however much I disagree with your wishy washy answers, switching from comparisons not being valid to name calling being incorrect and foolish, from thinking people are silencing opposition to being ok with criticism of opposition. I never said anything was wrong with criticism either, if I thought so I wouldn’t be so blatantly criticizing you!
But I would like to clarify one thing, you may not have said anything to lead me to believe that you were a republican but your demeanor gave me that feeling and I was stating that, it was also my way of clarifying, and I am wearily suprised that you are not one.
I have a feeling even your computer thinks you’re an idiot and was trying to save you from proving that point.
*snort* Nice one Eds.
I don’t mind Democrats, as long as you don’t get all batshit crazy like Pelosi or Frank.
But, Eds, I AM batshit crazy. At least, that’s what all these pills are for…
You have pills to make you batshite crazy? I need some of those! I am far too levelheaded at times when I don’t really want to be.
Try some LSD.
Awww I’m hurt bueeyed. But I’m not a Democrat.
And what Eds said WAS funny, sorry if you don’t see it that way.
Oh. YOU DEMOCRAT SPAWN OF SATAN SCUM!
Ok, you’re right. I’m not supposed to laugh at others. Unless they fall on their ass. I mean…
no charro you not democrate! you now part of the bitter troll politikal party
the bitterarians
A vote for bitter is a vote for sanity!
Bitter for Prez! Vote for Bitter!
*wants to cook in whitehouse kitchen*
A vote for sanity? Fvck that shit. What else do we have?
We have LSD, Rando.
I’ll pass. I’m batshit crazy enough already.
Hrmpth.. More for me.
I agree, outstanding form Eds!
Just because you’re a republican doesn’t give you the right to call me an idiot, and anyhow wouldn’t it have stopped me on my other idiotic posts? You sir, have no depth to your accusation.
It does when your actions clearly say you are one. I think you need to refocus your perception and pull your head out of your ass.
my head is right here on my shoulders thank you very much for your advice though. I am certainly not an idiot, who’s the name caller now?
Me.. and to be honest, I’m just fanning the flames (without the help of weed I might add.)
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To be honest, I have read some of your other posting around here and really didn’t have any beef with them. I just thought it a bit over the top by assuming someone could be a Republican without any proof.
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I will retract my claws now and let you press on with pride.
it was just a feeling really.
and you should try it with weed, it makes it more interesting and easier to get off track…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….we were talking about squirrels, right?
Can we have some clams?
Nipple clams!
Oh, hang on. I got something wrong again, didn’t I? :/
English is a retarded language, I agree.
Squirrels, moose, it’s all Bullwinkle to me!
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I haven’t smoked weed in over 30 years, but hey, maybe it’s time to give it another try. I don’t think I want the pills that Charro has.. I’m a non-batshit crazy Republican and I like it that way!
No no, the pills are to make me un-crazy. The acid is to make me crazy. Silly Eds.
Pfft. I’m fvcked up enough in the head without drugs. I think if I tried drugs, everything would just seem…normal. Sad really.
Reality is a crutch for people who can’t handle drugs.
Reality is for people who can’t handle drugs..
Drugs are reality on people.
Now I want drugs. Damnit, where did I leave that LSD?
Drugs are a reality for people who can’t handle crutches!
well crutches are for drugs that cant handle people!
…wait what?
Crutches are really useful for whacking people while on drugs.
No, of course there is no merit in that idea. It was proposed by a Republican. You’d think after eight years of the Bush Economy, someone would figure out that Republicans are always wrong about this stuff, but, well, some folks like being wrong.
And a lot of people say they aren’t Republican, then vote straight party-line when the elections come around (if they vote at all). Smart people can see the pattern after a while.
Our economic problems go back 30 years or more and are a result of nasty synergistic effects amongst both GOP and Democrat policies. Laying all the blame on Bush is like Enterprise or Hertz blaming the most recent driver for a car’s engine going out; they might have been goosin’ it a bit heavy, or ignoring the Check Engine light, but odds are the thing was going South already.
As much as I couldn’t stand Bush during the last 8 years, I do like that analogy.
Stop it. You’re making us Democrats look like retards with all that partisan crap. We don’t need any super frothy Democrats giving the Republicans extra firepower.
I agree entirely. Egotistical plutocrats that seek prestigious positions of power over the lives of others deserve no quarter when it comes to criticism, name-calling, rude gestures, ridicule, etc. Since no humble productive member of society concerned only with his own peaceful and non-coercive endeavors would have any desire to be president, we can sleep soundly at night knowing that our hateful epithets for presidents are rendered unto them justly.
Hey, just cause I’m bitter that Pluto isn’t a planet anymore does’t make me an egotistical plutocrat.
Pluto will always be #9 in my book.
I agree that we should be able to call a spade a spade, particularly in regards to those who govern us, but this particular caption isn’t exactly about that. There are literally people carrying posters of Obama with a Hitler mustache. And before him, there were people carrying pictures of Bush with a Hitler mustache. This caption is just saying we shouldn’t compare these men to a man that heinous, no matter what we feel their individual failings as leaders might be. That’s all.
The thing is, the parallels between the Nazis and the Bush Administration (and between the Nazis and the Republican Party) are truly frightening, and I am hardly the only one to notice this. Right now the Republicans are playing on the fears of the ignorant to get them to interrupt town hall meetings on health reform, never telling them what’s really in the bill; the Nazis prayed on the fears of the ignorant and sent goon squads to meetings of their opponents to break them up and browbeat those who wanted to hear what the other side had to say. The Republicans are trying to slander Obama’s birth and say that he isn’t a “real American”; the Nazis used the same techniques to say that their opponents were not “real Germans” and, therefore, had no place in Germany. The Republican administration of the last so-called president sent “enemies of the state” to Gauntanamo and other secret prisons without the right to be represented by counsel or to communicate with the outside world, and without trial, and kept them there for indefinite periods (they’re still trying to!); the Nazis were using concentration camps as early as 1933, shortly after Hitler came to power: no trial, no lawyers, no press coverage, no communication with the outside, and no right to a defense for the “enemies of the state” sent to prison. So I agree that the Hitler reference is overused and that it’s certainly bullshit where Obama is concerned, but it’s dead on (no pun intended) in reference to Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, etc., and the current Republican Party.
Yes, let’s just throw some gas all over and await the inevitible flame war…
Nice, comparing the Republican Party and Bush in particular to the Nazi’s. I seriously doubt the Republican’s will ever be able to take over the U.S. in the same fashion that Hitler did, so your parallel fails on an epic level. You have just proven how ignorant you really are with that entire post.
PNAC and full spectrum dominance plans.. which are largely hidden from the masses would probably make many egomaniac leaders green with envy.
“Right now the Republicans are playing on the fears of the ignorant to get them to interrupt town hall meetings on health reform, never telling them what’s really in the bill”
Most of the congress voting on the bill has not read the bill and doesnt know what is in it. Your memory is also short. I recall the Democratic party running around saying that old people would have to live off of dog food if the republicans voted to only raise Medicare by 1.8% instead of 2%.
You sir/madam…are an idiot.
Maybe, but I find the fact that they’re blasting the scare tactic of “DEATH PANELS” even more untrustworthy.
“never telling them what’s really in the bill”
Look, I don’t want to depend on either party or the media to “tell me what’s really in the bill.” That’s why, as an actual responsible voter, went to the THOMAS website, pulled the damn thing up, and read it myself. It’s got some reasonably good ideas mixed in with (IMO) some questionable and some REALLY bad ones. I have some pretty strong reservations about how successful it’s likely to be if it’s passed as is.
In general, I’d like to add that generalizations regarding behavior of people grouped by political party (Republicans do THIS; Democrats do THAT) are nearly always gross OVERgeneralizations.
Aaaand, if you haven’t read it, here’s a link to the full text.
Snap!
LOL – *responsible voter* *reads bill*
Excuse me, I just snorted my coffee
“DEATH PANELS” is probably not the most politicly correct name to use but in some peoples minds, me included, a group of people that decide what treatments and drugs will be offered and which ones won’t could accurately be labeled as such. If you want to get really technical about it, there are already “DEATH PANELS” at all of the insurance companies as they decide what treatments and drugs they will pay for. The big difference is how much the treatments and drugs will be cut. I believe that the governement death panel is going to make fewer treatments and drugs available then the insurance death panel. I would also like to point out that if the insurance death panel does not approve your treatment you can still get it if you pay for it yourself, hence the foriegn people who come here for specific treatments.
I’m about to leave for the day but I’ll try to look back later — I’m genuinely curious regarding WHY you think that’s likely. If anything, it seems like it might be the other way around, as the insurance company’s decisions generally seem to be made on the basis of “What’s the absolute least we can do and still keep the customer?”, in other words, attempting to maximize profits; while the government seems more likely to, well, just throw money down a hole as usual.
I agree with you on the government throwing money down the hole lol. I base my belief on the fact that citizens from countries that have government run healthcare come to the US to seek treatment (those that can afford to that is). I also base my belief in that it does not seem possible to maintain the same level of healthcare we currently have when you add 50 million (if that number is real) people to the current system without increasing the amount of services. The insurance companies still have to compete with each other so they are unable to cut too many services where as the government will not be competing with anyone and can cut services as they see fit.
Insurance companies could start by decreasing the obscene salaries their top execs make. No one should be making that kind of money on the backs of sick, injured, and dying people.
True dat, yo.
“I base my belief on the fact that citizens from countries that have government run healthcare come to the US to seek treatment (those that can afford to that is).”
How common is that? Are they mostly trying to pay their way past the queue they’d have to wait in in their home country?
I know I’d hop on a plane to get back home if I got sick while in the US and had a chance to get out. :p
Well, I know a bloke who insists that the Mayo Clinic is the best Health Care institute in the World, well yes, if you happen to be a multi-millionaire who can afford to go there.
Also, private industry is much better at spending the money they have compared to the government. You are correct in your thinking that the government will probably spend more money but that certainly doesnt mean that it will be spent wisely. An example would be the educational system. The government spends more per kid than private schools do but it can be argued that kids in private schools generally get a better quality education than those in public schools.
Keep in mind that our government also has a love affair with spending a dollar to save a dime, and will likely find creative ways to spend lots of money and still deny care. Just look at Disability-based Social Security and Medicare.
Insurance companies don’t want to keep the customer, they want them to die before they have to pay for their chemo.
The comparison between Obama and Hitler is more sound than your over-emotional illogical argument against the republican party. Hitler and Obama fall on the same part of the political spectrum (the measure of government control in a society) so the comparison is stating that Obama’s huge spending, czar emplacement, regulation creation, bureaucracy creation, and tax system all consist of the expanse of government power. Your “scare tactics” argument is also unfounded. Hitler used modern psychology to manipulate the people. One of these techniques is the foot-in-the-door effect. Which is where by small increments you put in to effect your plan so as to not shock them away in disgust. First the stars, then the ghettos, work camps, concentration camps, to finally mass genocide. Obama starts with bailouts, “stimulus packages”, conquering private companies, and currently to take over the Health care industry. Also Hitler formed the Nazi youth to inform his administration of any questionalble behavior of their parents. Obama has also asked the children of this once free nation to send an e-mail to his administration if their parents do any thing “strange.” So is it a fair comparison based on politics? Absolutely. Is it fair to compare them personally? No.
And on the personal note I find it extremely arrogant and ignorant for you to claim that I am trying to “interrupt” town hall meetings. You know what those meetings are for? For people to express their views to their representative. The republican party isn’t preying on fear or forcing people to go, they’re standing up for what they believe in and I admire it. And guess what. It’s called free speech which is our right as Americans. So the truly ignorant one is yourself.
As the LOL states (rather correctly I might add), neither Bush nor Obama are Hitler-esque. Godwin fail on you too, jake. Cheese and rice, what is wrong with some of these people?
Obama did NOT tell kids to send an email if their parents do anything “strange.” Where did you come up with that one? Which probably means I’m wasting my time to try to refute the rest of your post, but I do want to say one thing. Town halls are for discussion, for all sides to have a voice. How can that happen if one side is yelling?
with guns
Well, they seem to be showing up at Obama rallies and meetings too, so that works out great.
It’s like all the morons and idiots are attracted to this!
It’s like all the morons and idiots are attracted to this! Obama is no Hitler even if your little delusional little mind thinks he is.
You’re a delusional idiot. Town hall meetings are for EVERYONE to express their views, not a bunch of idiots screaming “HEAR MY VOICE” only.
As much as I despise Bush and the gang, I really don’t think comparing them to a genocidal megalomaniac like Adolf is really fair. The Bush administration did some really underhanded things, no doubt. But Bush couldn’t be as horrible as Hitler if he tried. While I appreciate your liberal spunk, it’s sadly misplaced in this argument. Godwin fail.
Yeah, I am highly critical of the Bush administration but it would never even occur to me to make a Hitler comparison. Nowhere close to being in the same league.
NO ONE IS HITLER…
…cept maybe hitler…and he dont wanna admit it
Dude, even Hitler hated Hitler. He hated Hitler so much he killed him. If only he had been so bold years earlier…
(1) There are “enemy combatants” in a completely non-secret prison, but no “enemies of the state” have been imprisoned. That is complete nonsense meant only to inflame those inclined to addle-minded group-thinking.
(2) The similarities between the Bush Administration and the Nazi’s are as superficial as those between Obama’s and Hitler’s health care plans.
(3) There is every bit as much reason to fear Fascism from the Left as from the Right. It would take only a casual look to find similar similarities of tactics between the Nazi’s and the Left. Look at any time a (even very mildly) conservative speaker tries to talk at Berkeley – the Left comes out in force and chants loudly, drowning him out until he can’t speak. Leftist mayor of Berkeley Tom Bates and his agents cruised town to day before the election and threw away all of the newspapers at news stands that were editorializing against him. The mantras of the Left against Bush were certainly designed to appeal to the naive haters among us.
(4) The “birthers” are crazy, but so are the droves of people who won’t stop harping about how Bush had his wealthy cronies rig the voting machines so that he could win the Ohio election in 2004 and about how it’s obvious that Bush’s people really destroyed the World Trade Center so he’d have an excuse for attacking muslims.
But, just so we’re clear here, as soon as a president *does* kill 6 million, we can call him or her hitler and treat his or her supporters like crap with impunity, right?
As soon as that happens, yes, feel free to tell me “I told you so.”
I think it’s also OK to call someone Hitler when the book burnings and concentration camps start, no need to wait until the 6 million mark.
Hmmm..Tough call.
Did we say death camps? We meant happy camps!
Will there be bunnies?
And strawberries!
wonder what they called hitler before he startered to do that stuff..
Ghengis Khan?
“Mary”. That’s why he was such an angry little man.
He was such an angry little man because was such a little man. We short guys are all hellbent on ruling the world.
They have craft time. And guess what? Craft time has been expanded by 4 hours today. Anyone else’s fingers hurt? I didn’t think so.
Thank you so much for saying what so many of us are thinking!
Amen to this. While I disagree with many of Obama’s policies (and didn’t think a lot of some Bushs’ either), this name calling has got to end.
It is inappropriate, juvenile, uncivil, and it trivializes the evil of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party.
Looking at these comments, I find it interesting how many people insist that to refer to their preferred president as Hitler is out of bounds, but to refer to the one that they are opposed to is “dead on,” to quote one person.
Welcome to the America of the 21st century. I despair of this country ever returning to civil political discourse.
You had civil Politacl discoures? Is throwing out your original goverment civil?
Jokes, jokes, I mean no offense. But seriously, you Yanks thrashed us in the War of Independance. I just wish there was something that we could say as a snide remark, like a batlle where the Brits wern’t wiped out, or were it wasn’t a British Phyrric victory.
We’re friends now, right? Great Britain, like the US, has done great things and horrible things. We learn from it and move on, trying to keep the best and fix the worst.
Thing is, we “threw out our original government” because we were getting oppressed.
This name calling is now classified as a logical fallacy “Reductio Ad Hitlerum“
ad nauseum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
Wouldn’t you have to settle the debate between functionalism and intentionalism for the latter before you could make this exhortation?
If you didn’t understand this question then you truly shouldn’t be saying anything about Hitler and the Holocaust.
Oooh, look who’s a clever cookie.
No, you would not. Regardless of where you stand on the debate, the comparison of either president to Hitler is inappropriate, stupid, and marginalizes the horrors of the Holocaust and the second world war.
Thank you for playing, you smarmy asshole, now go stick your head in an oven before you have a chance to pollute the gene pool.
How would I “pollute the gene pool”?
Why would they not, as you say? Is not the exhortation suggesting that one not call Obama “Hitler” unless Obama decides to kill six million or more people? What could justify this suggestion in your mind? Is it because you know that Hitler decided to kill six million or more people? Then in the same way you have settled the functionalism versus intentionalism debate in favour of the latter just as I suspected you would have to! Is your research on the matter published? Or dost thou begrudge us inquirers thy knowledge, as they say?
Still alive? Too bad. I take comfort in the knowledge that your life must be an empty one.
Well, you don’t have that knowledge but I’ll grant you the belief. Though either way your words betray your sadism.
A little sadism never hurt anybody. XD
yum.
Miss me, did ya? *bites*
Yowz! I mean, um, yessir indeed I did *bates breath*
*wicked grin and huggle squeeze*
*squeeeeze – oops – drool*
Haha, NOMNOMNOMNOM
Using big words does not make you look smart if you use them incorrectly.
unless your talking to really dumb people, who dont know your useing them inkorectly
Yep, eloquence is quite frequently mistaken for intelligence.
I’m sure Bush got this insult much more than Obama, especially since Nazis hated the idea of socialism.
Not necessarily. I do believe that the Nazis were the socialist party. They nationalized quite a few industries, though it paid off economically. It got them out of a recession. It was communists they hated.
Depression, not recession. Sorry.
Just calling yourself a socialist anything doesn’t make you socialist
Look at the USSR. What Hitler was is a fascist, and (I think) more of a corporate communist wherein he took over the private sector and turned it public. I’m sure someone with more knowledge of the history will help me out here, but that’s my understanding of it.
Spot on froo, fascism it is. The basis of left-wing stuff is teh struggle betweeheen teh classes, but Mussolini, Franco and Adolfus were doing the “hey man, the state is like soo much cooler than like… that stuff” and upon that they constructed their little dictatorships. Adolfus was a right-wing corporatist who was heartily supported by the german business elite and so on and so forth and therefore really cant be neither a socialist or a communist, since they dont really get along with the richies.
Myes.
Wasn’t it a step further than just a simple corporatist, though? If I’m remembering right, I believe that Hitler had the government take over and run most of it, adding a new dimension to corporatism that hadn’t been seen before. Or something.
Froofrou, I think you have the correct understanding. Not left, not right. Corporations and society both controlled by the government–and their close buddies. Some of the strongest old German companies had a really nice deal under Hitler–slave labor and so forth.
From my reading, the Nazis had some serious fans among the wealthy in Europe and the US for their ‘law and order’ and union suppression. We tend to mask over that in history–the aviator Lindberg was a Nazi supporter.
Intellectuals from Europe and the US on the other hand were mostly appalled by pre WWII visits to Germany–mostly because they worried about Jewish colleagues, or about workers’ rights.
Nazism is really a mixture of everything bad all in one. I find it difficult to place on a political scale..
So the NAZI party who wer the Nationalist SOCIALIST Party hated socialists ? Do’H!
They signed a treaty against Comintern
the exact name was “nationalsozialistische deutsche arbeiterpartei”
nationalists
socialists
workers
they were “fishing” for votes on full sceme, getting as much votes as they could to overthrow the government. they mixed many ideas and systems to hit the spirit of the time. sure they nationalised some companies …and the krupp-family was one of the supporters.
but quote hitler … i for myself wont listen to people who brought us (humans not only germans) nothing but misery, war, crime,
dishonor …
History fail, retard. Just because you call your party socialists doesn’t mean you are socialists.
CB:
“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance.” -Hitler
Quoted from p. 224 of “Adolf Hitler”, biography by John Toland, Anchor Books: 1976.
Hitler was a political opportunist and in his early career would use any popular rhetoric.
The policies and government Hitler instituted was not socialist. In fact they were admired by many business leaders in the USA who looked forward to something similar for America.
It wasn’t socialists who plotted to overthrow the US government and replace it with a Nazi style dictatorship. It was big business (the friend and key benefactor of the Nazi regime in germany).
Your claim about Hitler’s party is to be taken over his own claim of it? Which is more credible? He was a political opportunist but you are what? An impartial arbiter?
Neither of the facts (assuming indeed that they are true) you offer helps to establish your assertion that Hitler’s policies were not socialist.
That business leaders admired Hitler’s policies. Are you assuming that business leaders cannot favour socialist policies?
That socialists did not plot to overthrow the US government and replace it with Nazi-esque dictatorship yet big business did. Are you assuming that big business cannot plot to have the same style of dictatorship as a socialist government?
I think you’re a little confused, or you’re a libertarian. Which is much the same thing.
The former is easier than the latter with respect to the making of claims and the proving of them.
Huh. Wait, what?
*snerk*
Hehe, you made the funny, and a snide one.
I hate to say this, but I *think* at least part of what Sqwirk said was right. I haven’t really read anything about big business wanting to created a Nazi-esque government here, but the rest was pretty much correct I think.
Some big business did. Others did not.
I’m guessing that sentiment died off pretty darn quickly. LOL
One thing we can be sure of. He hated liberalism. I could post endless quotes on that…
It may only be because Obama’s only been in office for seven months. Give it time and we will likely see parity.
NSDAP = Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei = National Socialist German Workers’ Party
of course they hated the communists, if that is what you mean by socialism
The Nazis were vehemently anti-union. So much for “workers’ party”. The labor organizers were all arrested and abused by their jailers, early on during Hitler’s rule. Source “The woman behind the new deal: Frances Perkins, FDR’s labor secretary and his moral conscience”, by Kristen Downey.
So not only anti-communist, but anti-union. And anti-workers’s rights, according to that author.
uhh im prety sure people say hes like hitler because he can influence stupid people who never really wake up and smell the coffee, not because he kills
Anyone can influence stupid people. It doesn’t justify comparing Obama to one of the most evil men in history.
uhh im prety sure youre one of them
uh, native americans?
Boy, I don’t remember Bush or Obama killinging 6 million native americans. Considering that there are less than 3 million left before either took office, they must have killed them all twice!
in that case, you would be comparing Andrew Jackson to Hitler. Different century.
Andrew Jackson killed all the native americans, twice?
I thought I was making a joke about the ability to kill people twice. I stand corrected VG. Well done.
FOOLS only chunck norris can kill someone twice!
Chunck Norris? Is this Chuck’s evil overweight brother?
BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Yes, but the bottom part of the caption in the picture refers to “All US Presidents”
THANK YOU! I’m glad someone else is saying it!
This caption, Epic Win.
thanks for this!
I live some 30 kilometers away from Hitlers birthplace and i find this name-calling pretty disturbing (be it Bush, Obama, whoever). What my grandparents told me about the nazi-era sounds quite more disastrous than some healtcare or insurance-reform. even Bush “only” started a war against Iraq and believed it was the right thing, whereas the Nazis had no problems of killing millions of even there own people because they thought they were inferior.
Derdave, I agree with you. The name-calling can be counterproductive. But I love that I live in a country where people can freely express their opinions, ignorant and ill-informed as some of them may be, and I think we need to defend their right to do so.
I understand your point and of course I agree on the importance of free expression of opinion. Although it often seems that not only opinions but factual claims are expressed. If you say “I hate this guy/politician/company” then it is your opinion, no problem. But to claim something like “this guy/politician/company is a convicted criminal” is a slander and would be illegal in Austria (at least hypothetically)
I’ve always wondered, how come the little square mustache is a symbol of evil, but not the comb-over Hitler also sported?
I dunno, but I wish it would switch. Then I could grow the most hardcore facial hair ever.
Because the comb-over is so much harder to do.
I don’t think this caption works.
America (and several of it’s presidents) were quite keen on eugenics prior to the 2nd world war.
True that. And the USA and several other countries carried out forced sterilization of whomever they believed to be ‘defective’ (mentally ill, learning disabled, physically disabled, poor, wrong ethnicity, etc…). But Hitler ended up giving eugenics a bad name…thank goodness.
The genocide was the LAST thing in a long line of increments – increments sort of like cutting costs (posters about how much it cost to keep X worthless person alive, which is *exactly* the kind of thing in the health care bill and in Zeke Emanuel’s philosophy) and it snowballs from there. The first thing the government has to do is seize that power, which is what the bill is really about (read it if you don’t understand what I’m saying.) So no, we don’t have to hold off on the name-calling when we see our country going down the exact same road another country went that led to atrocities. They may not lead to the exact same thing here but they’re going nowhere good, and we get to make those comparisons, especially where they’re accurate. As another, much better lol said recently, “Hey, killing 6 million people was the LAST thing I did to screw up Germany, people.”
How do you work that out?
Currently we have rationing by ability to pay, which would be viewed favourably from a “eugenic” point of view.
A health care bill would moderate (not replace) that with care based on need. This doesn’t mean deciding when or who gets to die (this does not occur in Europe, do some research), but prioritising treatment based on clinical need.
And seeing that the US spends 2x the European average on health the expectation with reform should be for improved care for everyone. America does not get the health care it pays for, the current model is not working.
Sqwirk has a point about the European “method of decided when or who gets to die”. Many Americansthink that because Euthanasia is legal in certain European nations, does not mean we kill them indiscrimatley. I probably spelled thatwrong, so sorry if I did. In fact, the euthanasia clinics in Switzerland have got nothing to do with thier healthcare system!
Sqwirk, this is not a person, It does not have views, it does have an ethos, it does not have a life, or any redeeming qualities. This is a troll, what it has is a strategy. A strategy to get people to reply to it’s inflammatory comments. Do not play into it’s paws.
I think it’s been long since established that I’m not a troll (as though there was anything trollish about my comment to begin with) – but by all means, keep singing that song, fool. Sqwirk is not worth any effort regardless.
I am a pleasing shade of green.
But, do you taste like green?
Soylent green is made of Sqwirk?
Does that mean that Sqwirk is made out of soy and lent?
Troll is a title that can come and go, and yeah, when you start comparing the president to Adolf fvcking Hitler, then that’s trolling in its most basic form. Godwin says hi.
Really? I don’t remember that meeting. Was this before or after your repeated racism. Maybe it was around the time you were posting drunk. Or maybe it was during one of your childlike binges of profanity laden crazy rants. Nope. No trolls here…
“I think it’s been long since established that I’m not a troll”
How do you define “established” here?
I don’t remember voting on that.
bitter troll is offended that calling jerk who tries to start trouble over interwebs is called troll
that raceist…you all raceist
YOU’RE RACIST!!! I’M GONNA CRY!
well your racistter!!!!!
Melodramatic troll is melodramatic.
But, but, she’s so KEWT when the little gobs of spittle coat the corners of her mouth!
She sounds like Keith Olbermann!
Or Mark Levin!!
Or Eric Cartman! But less cute. And unfunny.
I wish she could be more like Towlie.
Dude. I have no idea what’s going on.
Maybe if you got a little high…
Bush was responsible for the deaths of a million Iraqis.
A million? Care to cite that?
Exactly a million too. Not 1.1 million, or 1,007,500…a million.
I thought it was a million and two.
CITE OR IT DIDN’T HAPPEN JANE!!!
Give me a minute. I just have to go write a blog about it and I can cite that.
*waits*
Dude, you can do that?
*writes blog about hot Jane & charro lesbo action*
That makes it real, right?
Why do I suddenly have memories I didn’t before?!
I don’t know but you were fantastic darling!
I have the power supreme!
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Giggity.
I HAVE BURRITO SUPREME
Oh you were maaaahvelous as well, my dear.
That’s quite high…
A quick search shows that the number is actually right around 100,000. Granted, that’s a still a large number, but war is never pretty.
Geez, Eddie, what’s a decimal place or so?
Picky.
This particular war, though, had a questionable (if not outright fictitious) casus belli, served to line the pockets of numerous shady contractors with good connections within the republican party., and was detrimental both to the lives of U.S citizens as a whole and to the lives of Iraqis as a whole.
It’s true that war is never pretty, But this one was particularly ugly. I personally think that Bush, and others of his administration, are criminals. I can think of no other words to describe the depth of their deceit.
I agree. Bush and Co. were planning this war BEFORE 9-11 happened. 9-11 became their excuse.
Yeah. Hint #1: Bin Laden wasn’t in Iraq.
A quick search for me said the number is between 50,000 and 1,000,000+. It all depends on who’s counting, and how they define the deaths being related to the war.
Weird, because every search I did said 50k-100k.. what was your criteria?
Critter-i-aye? Never heard of them critters…
Nah, but I started by checking out what Wikipedia had to say on it.
A median seems to be 50K – 150K.
is that the same way Truman was responsible for millions of dead germans and japanes?
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I would just like to say that this post is not a LOL in in way. They need to start a whole new tab for pictures with captions that are not funny at all or with just a random statement or factoid attached.
But you know what? I hate war! Its the people that are always hurt. Always. World leaders don’t lead their troops into battle. Just poor soldiers paid to kill and be killed.
it may not be a LoL but it did make me smile, that is until everyone started rambling about politics and making the comment board boorrrrring (see below). I’m over it now.
“National Socialist German Workers’ Party
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei
Former German national party
Years active 1919-1945
Political Ideology National Socialism
Political Position Far right
International Affiliation N/A
Official Newspaper Völkischer Beobachter
Preceded by German Workers’ Party (DAP)
Succeeded by None; Banned
Colors Black, White, Red, Brown
Origins and early existence: 1918-1923
The party grew out of smaller political groups with a nationalist orientation that formed in the last years of World War I. In the early months of 1918, a party called the Freier Ausschuss für einen deutschen Arbeiterfrieden (“Free Committee for a German Workers’ Peace”) was created in Bremen, Germany. Anton Drexler, an avid German nationalist, formed a branch of this league on 7 March 1918, in Munich. Drexler was a local locksmith in Munich who had been a member of the militarist Fatherland Party during World War I, and was bitterly opposed to the armistice of November 1918 and to the revolutionary upheavals that followed in its wake. Drexler followed the typical views of militant nationalists of time, such as opposing the Treaty of Versailles, having anti-Semitic, anti-monarchist, and anti-Marxist views, and believing in the superiority of Germans who nationalists claimed to be part of the Aryan “master race” (Herrenvolk), but he also accused international capitalism of being a Jewish-dominated movement and denounced capitalists for war profiteering in World War I.[7] Drexler saw the situation of political violence and instability in Germany as the result of the new Weimar Republic being out-of-touch with the masses, especially the lower classes.[8] Drexler emphasized the need for a synthesis of völkisch nationalism, a strong central government movement, with economic socialism to create a popular, centerist nationalist-oriented workers movement that could challenge the rise of Communism, as well as the internationalist left and right in general.
On 5 January 1919, Drexler, together with Gottfried Feder, Dietrich Eckart and Karl Harrer, and twenty workers from Munich’s railway shops and some others met to discuss the creation of a new political party based on the political principles which Drexler endorsed.[9] Drexler proposed that the party be named the German-Socialist Workers Party, but Harrer objected to using the term “socialist” in the name, the issue was settled by removing the term from the name, and it was agreed that the party was named the German Workers’ Party (Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, DAP).[10] To ease concerns among potential middle-class nationalist supporters, Drexler made clear that unlike Marxists, the party supported middle-class citizens, and that the party’s socialist policy was meant to give social welfare to German citizens deemed part of the Aryan race.[8] They became one of many völkisch movements that existed in Germany at the time. Like other völkisch groups, the DAP advocated the belief that Germany should become a unified “national community” (Volksgemeinschaft) rather than a society divided along class and party lines. This ideology was explicitly anti-Semitic as it declared that the “national community” must be judenfrei (“free of Jews”).
From the outset, the DAP was opposed to non-nationalist political movements, especially on the left, including the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) and the newly-formed Communist Party of Germany (KPD). Members of the DAP saw themselves as fighting against “Bolshevism” and anyone considered to be part of or aiding so-called “international Jewry”.
The Party believed that Social Welfare was the business of the State. Before the Nazi movement, the churches administered charity. The government enforced a collection of a 10% tithe which was paid directly to the churches. This charitable bureaucracy was shifted to the State.
The DAP was a tiny group with fewer than 60 members. Nevertheless, it attracted the attention of the German authorities, who were suspicious of any organisation that appeared to have subversive tendencies. A young corporal, Adolf Hitler, was sent by German army intelligence to investigate the DAP. While attending a party meeting, Hitler got involved in a heated political argument and made an impression on the other party members with his oratory skills. He was invited to join and, after some deliberation, chose to accept. Among the party’s earlier members were Rudolf Hess, Hans Frank and Alfred Rosenberg, all later prominent in the Nazi regime.
Hitler became the DAP’s 55th member and received the number 555, as the DAP added ’500′ to every member’s number to exaggerate the party’s strength. He later claimed to be the 7th party member (he was in fact the seventh executive member of the party’s central committee; he would later wear the Golden Party Badge number 1). Over the following months, the DAP continued to attract new members, while remaining too small to have any real significance in German politics. On 24 February 1920, the party added “National Socialist” to its official name, becoming the National Socialist German Workers’ Party (NSDAP), although Hitler earlier suggested the party to be renamed the “Social Revolutionary Party”; it was Rudolf Jung who persuaded Hitler to follow the NSDAP naming.[11]
Hitler discovered that he had talent as an orator, and his ability to draw new members, combined with his characteristic ruthlessness, soon made him the dominant figure. Drexler recognized this, and Hitler became party chairman on 28 July 1921. When the party had been established, it consisted of a leadership board elected by the members, which in turn elected a chairman. Hitler scrapped this arrangement. He acquired the title Führer (“leader”) and, after a series of sharp internal conflicts, it was accepted that the party would be governed by the Führerprinzip (“leader principle”): Hitler was the sole leader of the party and he alone decided its policies and strategy. Hitler at this time saw the party as a revolutionary organization, whose aim was the violent overthrow of the Weimar Republic, which he saw as controlled by the socialists, Jews and the “November criminals” who had betrayed the German soldiers in 1918. The SA (“storm troopers”, also known as “Brownshirts”) were founded as a party militia in 1921 and began violent attacks on other parties.
Unlike Drexler and other party members, Hitler was less interested in the “socialist” aspect of “national socialism” beyond moving Social Welfare administration from the Church to the State. Himself of provincial lower-middle-class origins, he disliked the mass working class of the big cities, and had no sympathy with the notions of attacking private property or the business class (which some early Nazis espoused).[citation needed] For Hitler the twin goals of the party were always German nationalist expansionism and Antisemitism. These two goals were fused in his mind by his belief that Germany’s external enemies – Britain, France and the Soviet Union – were controlled by the Jews, and that Germany’s future wars of national expansion would necessarily entail a war against the Jews.[12] For Hitler and his principal lieutenants, national and racial issues were always dominant. This was symbolised by the adoption as the party emblem of the swastika or Hakenkreuz, at the time widely used in the western world. In German nationalist circles, the swastika was considered a symbol of an “Aryan race”. The Swastika symbolized the replacement of the Christian Cross with allegiance to a National Socialist State.
During 1921 and 1922 the Nazi Party grew significantly, partly through Hitler’s oratorical skills, partly through the SA’s appeal to unemployed young men, and partly because there was a backlash against socialist and liberal politics in Bavaria as Germany’s economic problems deepened and the weakness of the Weimar regime became apparent. The party recruited former World War I soldiers, to whom Hitler as a decorated frontline veteran could particularly appeal, small businessmen and disaffected former members of rival parties. Nazi rallies were often held in beer halls where downtrodden men could get free beer. The Hitler Youth was formed for the children of party members, although it remained small until the late 1920s. The party also formed groups in other parts of Germany. Julius Streicher in Nuremberg was an early recruit. Others to join the party at this time were former army officer Ernst Röhm, who became head of the SA, World War I flying ace Hermann Göring and Heinrich Himmler. In December 1920 the party acquired a newspaper, the Völkischer Beobachter.
In 1922, a party with remarkably similar policies and objectives came into power in Italy, the National Fascist Party under the leadership of the charismatic Benito Mussolini. The Fascists like the Nazis, promoted a national rebirth of their country; opposed communism and liberalism; appealed to the working-class; opposed the Treaty of Versailles; and advocated the territorial expansion of their country. The Italian Fascists used a straight-armed Roman salute and wore black-shirted uniforms. Hitler was inspired by Mussolini and the Fascists and borrowed their use of the straight-armed salute as a Nazi salute. When the Fascists came to power in 1922 in Italy through their coup attempt called the “March on Rome”, Hitler began planning his own coup which would materialize one year later.
In January 1923 France occupied the Ruhr industrial region as a result of Germany’s failure to meet its reparations payments. This led to economic chaos, the resignation of Wilhelm Cuno’s government and an attempt by the Communist Party (KPD) to stage a revolution. The reaction to these events was an upsurge of nationalist sentiment. Nazi Party membership grew sharply, to about 20,000.[13] By November, Hitler had decided that the time was right for an attempt to seize power in Munich, in the hope that the Reichswehr (the post-war German army) would mutiny against the Berlin government and join his revolt. In this he was influenced by former General Erich Ludendorff, who had become a supporter though not a member of the Nazis.
On the night of 8 November, the Nazis used a patriotic rally in a Munich beer hall to launch an attempted putsch (coup d’état). The so-called Beer Hall Putsch attempt failed almost at once when the local Reichswehr commanders refused to support it. On the morning of 9 November the Nazis staged a march of about 2,000 supporters through Munich in an attempt to rally support. Troops opened fire and 16 Nazis were killed. Hitler, Ludendorff and a number of others were arrested, and were tried for treason in March 1924. Hitler and his associates were given very lenient prison sentences. While Hitler was in prison he wrote his semi-autobiographical political manifesto Mein Kampf (“My Struggle”).[14]
The Nazi Party was banned, though with support of the nationalist Völkisch-Social Bloc (“Völkisch-Sozialer Block”), the Nazi party continued to operate under the name of the “German Party” (Deutsche Partei or DP) from 1924 to 1925.[15] The Nazis failed to remain unified in the German Party, as in the north, the right-wing Volkish nationalist supporters of the Nazis moved to the new German Völkisch Freedom Party, leaving the north’s left-wing Nazi members, such as Joseph Goebbels retaining support for the party.[16]
Rise to power: 1925-1933
Hitler with Nazi Party members in 1930.
Adolf Hitler was released in December 1924. In the following year he re-founded and reorganized the Nazi Party, with himself as its undisputed Leader. The new Nazi Party was no longer a paramilitary organization, and disavowed any intention of taking power by force. In any case, the economic and political situation had stabilized and the extremist upsurge of 1923 had faded, so there was no prospect of further revolutionary adventures. The Nazi Party of 1925 was divided into the “Leadership Corps” (Korps der politischen Leiter), appointed by Hitler, and the general membership (Parteimitglieder). The party and the SA were kept separate and the legal aspect of the party’s work was emphasized. In a sign of this, the party began to admit women. The SA and the SS (founded in April 1925 as Hitler’s bodyguard, commanded by Himmler) were described as “support groups”, and all members of these groups had first to become regular party members.
The party’s nominal Deputy Leader was Rudolf Hess, but he had no real power in the party. By the early 1930s the senior leaders of the party after Hitler were Himmler, Goebbels and Göring. Beneath the Leadership Corps were the party’s regional leaders, the Gauleiter, each of whom commanded the party in his Gau (“region”). There were 98 Gaue for Germany and an additional seven for Austria, the Sudetenland (in Czechoslovakia), Danzig and the Saarland (then under French occupation). Joseph Goebbels began his ascent through the party hierarchy as Gauleiter of Berlin-Brandenburg in 1926. Streicher was Gauleiter of Franconia, where he published his anti-Semitic newspaper Der Stürmer. Beneath the Gauleiter were lower-level officials, the Kreisleiter (“county leaders”), Zellenleiter (“cell leaders”) and Blockleiter (“block leaders”). This was a strictly hierarchical structure in which orders flowed from the top and unquestioning loyalty was given to superiors. Only the SA retained some autonomy. The SA was composed largely of unemployed workers, and many SA men took the Nazis’ socialist rhetoric seriously. At this time the Hitler salute (borrowed from the Italian fascists) and the greeting “Heil Hitler!” were adopted throughout the party.
NSDAP election poster in Vienna in 1930. Translation: “We demand freedom and bread”.
Political poster for the November, 1932 Reichstag election. “Das Volk wählt Liste 1 Nationalsozialisten Reichstagswahl.” Translation: “The people are voting for list 1, the Nazis, at the Reischstag election.”
The Nazis contested elections to the national parliament, the Reichstag, and to the state legislatures, the Landtags, from 1924, although at first with little success. The “National-Socialist Freedom Movement” polled 3% of the vote in the December 1924 Reichstag elections, and this fell to 2.6% in 1928. State elections produced similar results. Despite these poor results, and despite Germany’s relative political stability and prosperity during the later 1920s, the Nazi Party continued to grow. This was partly because Hitler, who had no administrative ability, left the party organization to the head of the secretariat, Philipp Bouhler, the party treasurer Franz Xaver Schwarz and business manager Max Amann. The party had a capable propaganda head in Gregor Strasser, who was promoted to national organizational leader in January 1928. These men gave the party efficient recruitment and organizational structures. The party also owed its growth to the gradual fading away of competitor nationalist groups, such as the DNVP. As Hitler became the recognized head of the German nationalists, other groups declined or were absorbed.
The party expanded in the 1920s beyond its Bavarian base. Catholic Bavaria maintained its right-wing ennui for a Catholic monarch, and Westphalia, along with working-class “Red Berlin”, were always the Nazis’ weakest areas electorally, and even during the Third Reich itself. The areas of strongest Nazi support were in rural Protestant areas, such as Schleswig-Holstein, Mecklenburg, Pomerania and East Prussia. Depressed working-class areas such as Thuringia also gave a strong Nazi vote, while the workers of the Ruhr and Hamburg largely remained loyal to the SPD, the KPD or the Catholic Centre Party. Nuremberg remained a party stronghold, and the first Nuremberg Rally was held there in 1927. These rallies soon became massive displays of Nazi paramilitary power, and attracted many recruits. The Nazis’ strongest appeal was to the lower middle-class – farmers, public servants, teachers, small businessmen – who had suffered most from the inflation of the 1920s and who feared Bolshevism more than anything else. The small business class were receptive to Hitler’s anti-Semitism, since they blamed Jewish big business for their economic problems. University students, disappointed at being too young to have served in World War I and attracted by the Nazis’ radical rhetoric, also became a strong Nazi constituency. By 1929 the party had 130,000 members.[17]
Despite these strengths, the Nazi Party might never have come to power had it not been for the Great Depression and its effects on Germany. By 1930 the German economy was beset with mass unemployment and widespread business failures. The SPD and the KPD parties were bitterly divided and unable to formulate an effective solution; this gave the Nazis their opportunity, and Hitler’s message, blaming the crisis on the Jewish financiers and the Bolsheviks resonated with wide sections of the electorate. At the September 1930 Reichstag elections the Nazis won 18.3% of the vote and became the second-largest party in the Reichstag after the SPD. Hitler proved to be a highly effective campaigner, pioneering the use of radio and aircraft for this purpose. His dismissal of Strasser and appointment of Goebbels as the party’s propaganda chief was a major factor. While Strasser had used his position to promote his own version of national socialism, Goebbels was totally loyal to Hitler and worked only to burnish Hitler’s image.
The 1930 elections changed the German political landscape by weakening the traditional nationalist parties, the DNVP and the DVP, leaving the Nazis as the chief alternative to the discredited SPD and the Zentrum, whose leader, Heinrich Brüning, headed a weak minority government. The inability of the democratic parties to form a united front, the self-imposed isolation of the KPD and the continued decline of the economy all played into Hitler’s hands. He now came to be seen as de facto leader of the opposition, and donations poured into the Nazi Party’s coffers. Some major business figures such as Fritz Thyssen were Nazi supporters and gave generously,[18] but many other businessmen were suspicious of the extreme nationalist tendencies of the Nazis and preferred to support the traditional conservative parties instead.[19]
During 1931 and into 1932 Germany’s political crisis deepened. In March 1932 Hitler ran for President against the incumbent President Paul von Hindenburg, polling 30.1% in the first round and 36.8% in the second against Hindenburg’s 49 and 53%. By now the SA had 400,000 members and its running street battles with the SPD and KPD paramilitaries (who also fought each other) reduced some German cities to combat zones. Paradoxically, although the Nazis were among the main instigators of this disorder, part of Hitler’s appeal to a frightened and demoralised middle class was his promise to restore law and order. Overt anti-Semitism was played down in official Nazi rhetoric, but was never far from the surface. Germans voted for Hitler primarily because of his promises to revive the economy (by unspecified means), to restore German greatness and overturn the Treaty of Versailles, and to save Germany from communism.
On 20 July 1932 the Prussian government was ousted by a coup Preussenschlag and a few days later at the July 1932 Reichstag election the Nazis made another leap forward, polling 37.4% and becoming the largest party in the Reichstag by a wide margin. Furthermore, the Nazis and the KPD between them won 52% of the vote and a majority of seats. Since both parties opposed the established political system and neither would join or support any ministry, this made the formation of a majority government impossible. The result was weak ministries governing by decree. Under Comintern directives, the KPD maintained its policy of treating the SPD as the main enemy, calling them “social fascists”, thereby splintering opposition to the Nazis.[20] Later, both the SPD and the KPD accused each other of having facilitated Hitler’s rise to power by their unwillingness to compromise.
Chancellor Franz von Papen called another Reichstag election in November, hoping to find a way out of this impasse. The result was the same, with the Nazis and the KPD winning 50% of the vote between them and more than half the seats, rendering this Reichstag no more workable than its predecessor. But support for the Nazis had fallen to 33.1%, suggesting that the Nazi surge had passed its peak – possibly because the worst of the Depression had passed, possibly because some middle-class voters had supported Hitler in July as a protest but had now drawn back from the prospect of actually putting him into power. The Nazis interpreted the result as a warning that they must seize power before their moment passed. Had the other parties united, this could have been prevented, but their shortsightedness made a united front impossible. Papen, his successor Kurt von Schleicher, and the nationalist press magnate Alfred Hugenberg spent December and January in political intrigues which eventually persuaded President Hindenburg that it was safe to appoint Hitler Reich Chancellor at the head of a cabinet which included only a minority of Nazi ministers, which he did on 30 January 1933.
Federal election results
Date Votes (in thousands) Percentage Seats in Reichstag Background
May 1924 1,918.3 6.5 32 Hitler in prison
December 1924 907.3 3.0 14 Hitler is released from prison
May 1928 810.1 2.6 12
September 1930 6,409.6 18.3 107 After the financial crisis
July 1932 13,745.8 37.4 230
November 1932 11,737.0 33.1 196
March 1933 17,277.0 43.9 288 After Hitler had become Chancellor
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In power: 1933-1945
The flag of the NSDAP “Old Guard”, which was used by members of the NSDAP
On 27 February 1933, the Reichstag building was set on fire. This Reichstag fire was blamed on a communist conspiracy and the KPD’s offices were closed, its press banned and leaders were arrested. Hitler convinced President von Hindenburg to sign the “Reichstag Fire Decree”, suspending most of the human rights provided for by the 1919 constitution of the Weimar Republic. A further decree enabled preventive detention of all communist leaders, amongst many thousands of others.
Since the new government lacked a majority in parliament, Hitler held a new election in March 1933. With the communists eliminated, the Nazis dominated the election with 43.9%, and with their Nationalist (DNVP) allies, achieved a parliamentary majority (51.8%).
A further decisive step in the Nazi seizure of power (Gleichschaltung) was the “Enabling Act”, which granted the cabinet (and therefore Hitler) legislative powers. The Enabling Act effectively abolished the separation of powers, a principle enshrined in the German Constitution. As such, the Act represented an amendment to the Constitution and required a two-thirds majority in parliament in order to pass. Hitler needed the votes of the Centre Party, which he obtained after promising certain guarantees to the Centre’s chairman (Ludwig Kaas). The Centre Party’s thirty-one votes, added to the votes of the fragmented middle-class parties, the Nationalists, and the NSDAP itself, gave Hitler the right to rule by decree and to further suspend many civil liberties. The communists were opposed to the Enabling Act; but the KPD could not vote against it, since it had been banned. This left the SPD as the sole party in the Reichstag who stood against the Act, but their votes were not sufficient to block the Act’s passing. As punishment for their dissent, the Social Democrats became the second party banned by the Nazis (on 22 June), following the move of their leadership to Prague.
The Enabling Act, termed for four years, gave the government the power to enact laws without parliamentary approval, to enact foreign treaties abroad and even to make changes to the Constitution. The Nazis did not keep their promises to their political allies, banning all other parties just as they had banned the communists and socialists. Following this, the Nazi government banned the formation of new parties on 14 July 1933, turning Germany into a single-party state. Hitler kept the Reichstag as a rubber stamp parliament, while the Reichsrat, though never abolished, was stripped of any effective power. The legislative bodies of the German states soon followed in the same manner, with the German federal government taking over most state and local legislative powers.
Germany had a policy instituted by Bismarck called “Kulturkampf”. This policy was an attempt to “modernize” the German people by moving the culture away from Catholic values to Government inspired values. Hitler used the Catholic Church to dissolve the Centre Party. On 23 March 1933 he had called Churches “most important factors” for the maintenance of German well-being. In regard to the Catholic Church, he proposed a Reichskonkordat between Germany and the Holy See, that was signed in July. In regard to the Protestant Churches, he signed koncordats and used church elections to push the Nazi-inspired “German Christians” to power. This, however, provoked the internal opposition of the “Confessing Church”.
Membership of the Hitler Youth was made compulsory for German teenagers, and served as a conveyor belt to party membership. Meetings were held on Sunday mornings in a conscious effort to shift young people from Church to State. But the Nazi Party did not immediately purge the state administration of all opponents. The career civil service was left in place, and only gradually were its senior levels taken over by Nazis. In some places people who were opposed to the Nazi regime retained their positions for a long time. Examples included Johannes Popitz, finance minister of the largest German state, Prussia, until 1944 and an active oppositionist, and Ernst von Weizsäcker, under-secretary of state at the Foreign Ministry, who protected a resistance network in his ministry. The armed forces banned party membership and retained their independence for some years.
1933–39 saw the gradual fusion of the Nazi Party and the German state, as the party arrogated more and more power to itself at the expense of professional civil servants. This led to increasing inefficiency and confusion in administration, which was compounded by Hitler’s deliberate policy of preventing any of his underlings accumulating too much power, and of dividing responsibility among a plethora of state and party bureaucracies, many of which had overlapping functions. This administrative muddle later had severe consequences. Many party officials also lapsed rapidly into corruption, taking their lead from Göring, who looted and plundered both state property and wealth appropriated from the Jews. By the mid-1930s the party as an institution was increasingly unpopular with the German public, although this did not affect the personal standing of Hitler, who maintained a powerful hold over the great majority of the German people until at least 1943.
The SA under Röhm’s leadership soon became a major problem for the party. Many of the 700,000 members of this well-armed working-class militia took the “socialist” element of “national socialism” seriously, and soon began to demand that the Nazi regime broaden its attack from SPD and KPD activists and Jews to include the capitalist system. In addition, Röhm and his associates saw the SA as the army of the new revolutionary Nazi state, replacing the old aristocratic officer corps. The army was still outside party control, and Hitler feared that it might stage a putsch if its leaders felt threatened with an SA take-over. The business community was also alarmed by the SA’s socialist rhetoric, with which, as noted earlier, Hitler had no sympathy beyond transferring power from Churches to the State.
In June 1934, Hitler, using the SS and Gestapo under Himmler’s command, staged a coup against the SA, having Röhm and about 700 others killed. This Night of the Long Knives broke the power of the SA, while increasing the power of Himmler and the SS, who emerged as the real executive arm of the Nazi Party. The business community was reassured and largely reconciled to Nazi rule. The army leaders were so grateful that the Defence Minister, Werner von Blomberg, who was not a Nazi, on his own initiative had all army members swear a personal oath to Hitler as “führer” of the German state. These events marked a decisive turning point in the Nazi take-over of Germany. The borders between the party and the state became increasingly blurred, and Hitler’s personal will increasingly had the force of law, although the independence of the state bureaucracy was never completely eclipsed.
The effect of the purge of the SA was to redirect the energies of the Nazi Party away from social issues and towards racial enemies, namely the Jews, whose civil, economic and political rights were steadily restricted, culminating in the passage of the Nuremberg Laws of September 1935, which stripped them of their citizenship and banned marriage and sexual relations between Jews and “Aryans”. After a lull in anti-Semitic agitation during 1936 and 1937 (partly because of the 1936 Olympic Games), the Nazis returned to the attack in November 1938, launching the pogrom known as Kristallnacht (“Night of Broken Glass”), in which at least 100 Jews were killed and 30,000 arrested and sent to concentration camps, and thousands of Jewish homes, businesses, synagogues and community facilities were attacked and burned. This satisfied the party radicals for a while, but the regional party bosses remained a persistent lobby for more radical action against the Jews, until they were finally deported to their deaths in 1942, 1943, 1944, and most poignantly in Spring of 1945—days before Liberation.
Paradoxically, the more completely the Nazi regime dominated German society, the less relevant the Nazi Party became as an organization within the regime’s power structure. Hitler’s rule was highly personalised, and the power of his subordinates such as Himmler and Goebbels depended on Hitler’s favour and their success in interpreting his desires rather than on their nominal positions within the party. The party had no governing body or formal decision-making process – no Politburo, no Central Committee, no Party Congresses. The “party chancellery” headed by Hess theoretically ran the party, but in reality it had no influence because Hess himself was a marginal figure within the regime. It was not until 1941, when Hess flew off on a quixotic “peace mission” to Britain, and was succeeded by Martin Bormann, that the party chancellery regained its power – but this was mainly because Hitler had a high opinion of Bormann and allowed him to act as his political secretary. Real power in the regime was exercised by an axis of Hitler’s office, Himmler’s SS and Goebbels’s Propaganda Ministry.
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With the outbreak of war in 1939, the party to some extent came back into its own, particularly after 1941 as the war dragged on and the military situation began to turn against Germany. As Hitler withdrew from domestic matters to concentrate on military matters, civil administration ground to a halt and the German state became more disorganized and ineffective. The Gauleiters, who were nearly all old-guard Nazis and fanatical Hitler loyalists, took control of rationing, labour direction, the allocation of housing, air-raid protection and the issuing of the multiplicity of permits Germans needed to carry on their lives and businesses. They served to some extent as ombudsmen for the citizenry against a remote and ineffective state. They agitated for the removal of the remaining Jews from Germany, using the shortage of housing in German cities as a result of Allied bombing as a pretext. As the Allied armies closed in on Germany, the Gauleiters often took charge of last-ditch resistance: Karl Hanke’s defence of Breslau was an outstanding example. In Berlin the teenagers of the Hitler Youth, under the direction of their fanatical leader Artur Axmann, fought and died in large numbers against the invading Soviet armies.
The army was the last area of the German state to succumb to the Nazi Party, and it never did so entirely. The pre-1933 Reichswehr had banned its members joining political parties, and this was maintained for some time after 1933. Nazis of military age joined the Waffen-SS, the military wing of the SS. In 1938 both Defence Minister Blomberg and the army chief of staff, General Werner von Fritsch, were removed from office after trumped-up scandals. Hitler made himself Defence Minister, and the new army leaders, Generals Franz Halder and Walther von Brauchitsch, were in awe of Hitler. Nevertheless Halder supported unsuccessful plans to stage a coup and remove Hitler from power during the 1938 crisis over Czechoslovakia, and again in 1939. Brauchitsch knew of these plans but would not support them. The ban on Nazis joining the German Army – traditionally a stronghold of Protestant monarchist conservatism opposed to any mass political movements – was lifted in 1939. A number of generals, notably Walther von Reichenau and Walter Model, became fanatical Nazis. It was not until 1944 that a group of officers opposed to the Nazi regime staged a serious attempt to overthrow Hitler in the 20 July plot, but they never had the full support of the officer corps. The German Navy was always loyal to Hitler; its commander, Karl Dönitz, was Hitler’s designated successor in 1945.
By 1945 the Nazi Party and the Nazi state were inseparable. When the German armies surrendered to the Allies in May 1945 and the German state ceased to exist, the Nazi Party, despite its 8.5 million nominal members and its nation-wide organisational structure, also ceased to exist. Its most fanatical members either killed themselves, fled Germany or were arrested. The rank-and-file burned their party cards and sought to blend back into German society. By the end of the war Nazism had been reduced to little more than loyalty to the person of Adolf Hitler, and his death released most Nazis from even this obligation. In his Political Testament, Hitler appointed Bormann “Party Minister”, but nominated no successor as leader of the party – a recognition that a Nazi Party without Hitler had no basis for existence. The Nazi Party was banned by the Allied occupation authorities and an extensive process of denazification was carried out to remove former Nazis from the administration, judiciary, universities, schools and press of occupied Germany. There was virtually no resistance or attempt to organize a Nazi underground. By the time normal political life resumed in western Germany in 1949, Nazism was effectively extinct. In East Germany, the new Communist authorities took their vengeance on any former high-ranking Nazis that they could find, and the survival of any kind of Nazi movement was out of the question.
Since 1949 there have been attempts to organise ultra-nationalist parties in Germany, but none of these parties was overtly Nazi or tried to use the symbols and slogans of the Nazi Party. The German Reich Party (Deutsche Reichspartei, DRP), containing many former Nazis, had five members in the first Bundestag elected in 1949, but they were defeated in 1953. By the 1960s its chairman Adolf von Thadden realised it had no future and it was wound up in 1964. Thadden (whose half-sister Elisabeth von Thadden was executed by the Nazis for her role in the German Resistance) then formed a new, broader party, the National Democratic Party of Germany (Nationaldemokratische Partei Deutschlands, NPD), which still exists, led today by Udo Voigt. The NPD has survived several attempts to have it banned by the Federal Constitutional Court as a neo-Nazi party. It has occasionally won seats in the Landtags of several German states, primarily in the territories of the former German Democratic Republic, but has never reached the 5% threshold needed to win seats in the Bundestag. The NPD had 5,300 registered party members in 2004, and its main platform is opposition to immigration.
Party composition
General membership
The general membership of the Nazi Party, known as the Parteimitglieder, mainly consisted of the urban and rural lower middle classes. 7% belonged to the upper class, another 7% were peasants, 35% were industrial workers and 51% were what can be described as middle class.
When it came to power in 1933 the Nazi Party had over 2 million members. Once in power, it attracted many more members and by the time of its dissolution it had 8.5 million members. Many of these were nominal members who joined for careerist reasons,[citation needed] but the party had an active membership of at least a million, including virtually all the holders of senior positions in the national government.
Military membership
Nazi members with military ambitions were encouraged to join the Waffen-SS, but a great number enlisted in the Wehrmacht and even more were drafted for service after World War II began. Early regulations required that all Wehrmacht members be non-political, and therefore any Nazi member joining in the 1930s was required to resign from the Nazi Party.
This regulation was soon waived, however, and there is ample evidence that full Nazi Party members served in the Wehrmacht in particular after the outbreak of World War II. The Wehrmacht Reserves also saw a high number of senior Nazis enlisting, with Reinhard Heydrich and Fritz Todt joining the Luftwaffe, and Major Ronald von Brysonstofen of the Waffen SS, as well as Karl Hanke who served in the Army.
Student membership
In 1926, the NSDAP formed a special division to engage the student population, known as the National Socialist German Students’ League (NSDStB).
Paramilitary groups
In addition to the NSDAP proper, several paramilitary groups existed which “supported” Nazi aims. All members of these paramilitary organizations were required to become regular Nazi Party members first and could then enlist in the group of their choice. A vast system of Nazi party paramilitary ranks developed for each of the various paramilitary groups.
The major Nazi Party paramilitary groups were as follows:
* Schutzstaffel (SS): “Protection Service”
* Sturmabteilung (SA): “Storm Division”
* Nationalsozialistisches Fliegerkorps (NSFK): “National Socialist Flyers Corps”
* Nationalsozialistisches Kraftfahrerkorps (NSKK): “National Socialist Motor Corps”
The Hitler Youth was a paramilitary group divided into an adult leadership corps and a general membership open to boys aged fourteen to eighteen.
Party symbols
* Nazi Flags: The Nazi party used a right-facing swastika as their symbol and the red and black colors were said to represent Blut und Boden (“blood and soil”). Another definition of the flag describes the colours as representing the ideology of National Socialism, the swastika representing the Aryan race and the Aryan nationalist agenda of the movement; white representing Aryan racial purity; and red representing the socialist agenda of the movement. Black, white and red were in fact the colors of the old North German Confederation flag (invented by Otto von Bismarck, based on the Prussian colours black and white and the red used by northern German states). In 1871, with the foundation of the German Reich, the flag of the North German Confederation became the German Reichsflagge (“Reich’s flag”). Black, white and red became the colours of the nationalists through the following history (for example World War I and the Weimar Republic).
* German Eagle: The Nazi party used the traditional German eagle, standing atop of a swastika inside a wreath of oak leaves. When the eagle is looking to its left shoulder, it symbolises the Nazi party, and was called the Parteiadler. In contrast, when the eagle is looking to its right shoulder, it symbolises the country (Reich), and was therefore called the Reichsadler. After the Nazi party came to power in Germany, they forced the replacement of the traditional version of the German eagle with their modified party symbol throughout the country and all its institutions.”
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Yes…..
I guess it’s pretty obvious.
Please just leave a link next time, okay? Yeah, not everyone is going to click it, but it gives us the option and takes up a lot less space. Thanks!
Oh and: “The National Socialist German Workers’ Party (German: De-Nationalsozialistische_Deutsche_Arbeiterpartei.ogg Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (help·info), abbreviated NSDAP), commonly known in English as the Nazi Party (from the Ger. pronunciation of Nationalsozialist[1]), was a political party in Germany between 1919 and 1945. It was known as the German Workers’ Party (DAP) before the name was changed in 1920.
The party’s last leader, Adolf Hitler, was appointed Chancellor of Germany by president Paul von Hindenburg in 1933. Hitler rapidly established a totalitarian regime[2][3][4][5] known as the Third Reich.
Nazi ideology stressed the failure of both laissez-faire capitalism[citation needed] and communism, the failure of democracy, and “racial purity of the German people”, as well as Northwestern Europeans and persecuted those it perceived either as race enemies or Lebensunwertes Leben, that is “life unworthy of living”. This included Jews, Slavs, and Roma along with homosexuals, the mentally and physically disabled, Communists and others. To carry out these beliefs, the party and the German state which it controlled organized the systematic murder of approximately six million Jews and six million other people from the aforementioned and other groups, in what has become known as the Holocaust. Hitler’s desire to build a Germanic empire through expansionist policies led to the outbreak of World War II in Europe.
The Nazi Party is generally described as being at the extreme or far right of the left-right political axis.[6] While the party incorporated elements from both left and right-wing politics, the Nazis formed most of their alliances on the right.[6]“
And:”Reductio ad Hitlerum, also argumentum ad Hitlerum, or reductio (or argumentum) ad Nazium (dog Latin for “reduction or argument to Adolf Hitler or the Nazis”) is an ad hominem or ad misericordiam argument, and is a formal fallacy in logic. The name is a pun on reductio ad absurdum. The phrase reductio ad Hitlerum was coined by an academic ethicist, Leo Strauss, in 1953. Engaging in this fallacy is sometimes known as playing the Nazi card,[1] by analogy to playing the race card.
It is a fallacy of irrelevance where a conclusion is suggested based solely on something or someone’s origin rather than its current meaning or context. This overlooks any difference to be found in the present situation, typically transferring the positive or negative esteem from the earlier context. Hence this fallacy fails to examine the claim on its merit.
The fallacy most often assumes the form of “Hitler (or the Nazis) supported X, therefore X must be evil/undesirable/bad,”[1]. For example: “Hitler was a vegetarian, so vegetarianism is wrong.” The tactic is often used to derail arguments, as such a comparison tends to distract and to result in angry and less reasoned responses.
The widespread use of this fallacy on internet message boards led to the creation of “Godwin’s Law”- a humorous adage that claims the longer an online discussion, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis/Hitler approaches one. Hitler/Nazi comparisons received widespread mainstream media attention in 2009 during debate on health care reform in the United States, due to comments from citizens attending town hall forums as well as radio and television commentators.
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* 1 Fallacious nature of the argument
o 1.1 Countering the fallacy
* 2 History of the term
* 3 Allegations of the fallacy in practice
* 4 In popular culture
* 5 See also
* 6 References
[edit] Fallacious nature of the argument
Reductio ad Hitlerum is rationally unsound as guilt by association[1][2] (a form of association fallacy), it illogically attempts to shift culpability from a villain to an idea regardless of who is espousing it and why. Specific instances of reductio ad Hitlerum are also frequently likely to suffer from the fallacy of begging the question or take the form of slippery slope arguments, which are frequently (though not always) false as well.[1]
Those policies advocated by Hitler and his party which are generally considered evil are condemned in and of themselves, not because Hitler supported them. In other words, genocide and race supremacism, as two examples, are considered evil on their own merits, while Hitler is considered evil for numerous reasons largely because he advocated them. A common example of the fallacy in action is, “The Nazis favored eugenics, therefore eugenics are wrong.”[1][2] But, euthanasia aside, the ethical debate over eugenics is not directly connected with Hitler or the Nazis in particular; both eugenics and criticism of it considerably predate Nazism, and have gone well beyond it, into concerns about modern genetic engineering, unknown to Hitler. Used broadly enough, ad Hitlerum can encompass more than one questionable cause fallacy type, as it does in the eugenics example, by both inverting cause and effect and by linking an alleged cause to wholly unrelated consequences. The fallacy of guilt by association can readily be seen by noting that Hitler was fond of dogs and children; arguments that because of this, affection for dogs and children is evil do not convince.
The argument being false, however, does not prove that X or its supporters are not evil (assuming so would be another fallacy, namely affirming the consequent). Moreover, recall that the argument is false in itself, no matter whether X is actually good or evil.[1] So, “Hitler killed human beings, therefore killing is wrong”, is nonetheless a fallacy, however truthful the premise and conclusion may be, because there is no logical connection between the two. It would be akin to “I wear trousers, therefore the sky is blue”. This sentence is logically faulty, even if the speaker does wear trousers, and the sky is blue that day.
Various criminals, controversial religious and political figures, regimes, and atrocities other than Hitler, the Nazis and the Holocaust can be used for the same purposes. For example, a reductio ad Stalinum could assert that corporal punishment of wayward children is necessary because Joseph Stalin enacted its abolition[citation needed], or that atheism is a dangerous philosophy because Stalin was an atheist for most of his life.[3] Similarly, one example of a reductio ad Cromwellium would be to equate enjoying chamber music with hating the Irish, while a reductio ad bin-Ladenum might equate making propaganda or non-mainstream media in general with terrorism. Such constructions, as a class, make no more sense than saying moustaches are evil because Hitler and Stalin had moustaches.
[edit] Countering the fallacy
The fallacious nature of reductiones ad Hitlerum is, however, most easily illustrated by identifying X as something that Adolf Hitler or his supporters did promote but which is not considered unethical, such as painting, owning dogs or being a superb soldier.
The fallacy has been referred to dismissively as enthymetic. For example comparing someone’s argument to the straw man “The Fascists also made the trains run on time” might implicitly reference the reductio ad Hitlerum.
Many of Hitler’s qualities and talents were admirable if seen in isolation. He is generally considered an excellent orator and a political organizer of first rank, despite his use of those talents to further a program of genocide, aggressive warfare, and other atrocities. It must be remembered that not all arguments involving Hitler or Nazism are reductio ad Hitlerum, although they may be otherwise fallacious.
[edit] History of the term
The phrase reductio ad Hitlerum is first known to have appeared in University of Chicago professor Leo Strauss’s 1953[4] book, Natural Right and History, Chapter II:
In following this movement towards its end we shall inevitably reach a point beyond which the scene is darkened by the shadow of Hitler. Unfortunately, it does not go without saying that in our examination we must avoid the fallacy that in the last decades has frequently been used as a substitute for the reductio ad absurdum: the reductio ad Hitlerum. A view is not refuted by the fact that it happens to have been shared by Hitler.
The phrase was derived from the better known (and sometimes valid) logical argument called reductio ad absurdum. The argumentum variant takes its form from the names of many classic fallacies, such as argumentum ad hominem. The ad Nazium variant may be further derived, humorously, from argumentum ad nauseam.
In 2000 traditionalist Catholic Thomas Fleming described its use against traditional values -
Leo Strauss called it the reductio ad Hitlerum. If Hitler liked neoclassical art, that means that classicism in every form is Nazi; if Hitler wanted to strengthen the German family, that makes the traditional family (and its defenders) Nazi; if Hitler spoke of the “nation” or the “folk,” then any invocation of nationality, ethnicity, or even folkishness is Nazi …[5]
[edit] Allegations of the fallacy in practice
Marek J, Chodakiewicz alleges that the Communist Polish Government used Reductio ad Hitlerum to discredit the Polish independentist underground. For example, on April 19, 1946, at an official state function to commemorate the third anniversary of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, Colonel Mieczyslaw Dàbrowski of the Communist army delivered a speech, stressing that “The [Nazi] air force, the SS, German tanks, Polish hooligans, Polish reactionaries, and, in fact, the Home Army: they all fought against the [Jewish] insurgents.”[6]
Professor Michael André Bernstein alleged Reductio ad Hitlerum in a full-page advertisement placed in The New York Times in 1991, by the Lubavitch community, following the Crown Heights Riot, under the heading “This Year Kristallnacht Took Place on August 19th Right Here in Crown Heights.” Henry Schwarzschildr, who had witnessed Kristallnacht, wrote to the New York Times that “however ugly were the anti-Semitic slogans and the assaultive behavior of people in the streets [during the Crown Heights riots] . . . one thing that clearly did not take place was a Kristallnacht.”[7]
Neve Gordon, in a 2002 book review of Olivier Razac’s Barbed Wire: A Political History, questioned why: “the architectural similarity and differences between the camps Israel has constructed to hold Palestinians and the concentration camps Jews were held in during the Holocaust urges one to ponder how it is that the reappearance of barbed wire in the Israeli landscape does not engender an outcry among survivors.”[8] In a January 2003 response to this review, Andrew Silow-Carroll alleged Gordon’s use of Reductio ad Hitlerum with, “Logical Fallacy Alert: The Nazis used barbed wire. Israelis use barbed wire. Thus, the Israelis are like Nazis.”[9]
In 2004 IPCC chairman, Dr. Rajendra Pachauri, was quoted in Jyllandposten saying of eco-skeptic Bjørn Lomborg “What is the difference between Lomborg’s view of humanity and Hitler’s?”, and “If you were to accept Lomborg’s way of thinking, then maybe what Hitler did was the right thing.” Lomborg had followed the consensus practice of economists in applying a discount to present costs for future benefits, and comparing the range of out-comes with other world problems alongside climate change.[10]
In 2005 Sen. Richard Durbin read extracts from an FBI memo, describing the ordeal of a prisoner at Guantanamo who was allegedly, subjected to mistreatment including extreme heat and bitter cold, forced to listen to loud rap music and chained to the floor. Durbin said: “If I read this to you and did not tell you it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime — Pol Pot or others — that had no concern for human beings. Mark Leibovich in the Washington Post described the outcome as follows: “It prompted yet another episode in what has become a familiar Kabuki in American political discourse: Someone invokes the behavior of Nazis in some non-genocidal context. This is followed by an outcry (in which members of the opposing party are “saddened”), condemnation from the Anti-Defamation League, futile attempts by the speaker to “clarify” his remarks, repeated calls for him to apologize and, inevitably, some acknowledgment of regret, often tearful.”[11]
In 2009, the New York Post printed an editorial which criticized Columbia University Professor Joseph Massad for “[specializing] in reductio ad hitlerum.” The Post editorialist supported his conclusion by quoting an essay by Massad written after Operation Cast Lead: “If Germans spent the day on the beach when the Nazis invaded Poland in 1939, and Americans cheered in bars and at home the fireworks light show the US military put up over Baghdad while slaughtering hundreds of thousands of Iraqis in 1991 and in 2003, Israeli Jews insisted on having front row seats on hills overlooking Gaza for a live show, cracking open champagne bottles and cheering the murder and maiming of thousands of civilians, more than half of whom were women and children.”[12]
In 2002, José Bové claimed that “Israel is a reductio ad Hitlerum, so Jews can be accused of being racists if they support the Jewish state….Indeed, Israelis are perpetrating antisemitic acts in France, as it is they who profit from the crime.”[13]
Some creationists, particularly religious Christians in the United States, have alleged that acceptance of evolution as a scientific theory leads to Nazism.[14] The argument is that social Darwinism was inspired by Charles Darwin’s discovery of natural selection, and that Hitler’s evil philosophy can be explained in terms of social Darwinism, and therefore evolution is evil. This was carried out in the 2008 documentary film, Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed, in which the evolutionary biologists are juxtaposed with images of Nazis.[15][16] Richard Dawkins and Eugenie Scott, two scientists that were interviewed in the film, have been among the most vocal critics of many statements contained in the film. After a viewer of the film wrote to Dawkins that he accepted the film’s argument, Dawkins wrote back that the film did not consider the long history of anti-Semitism in Europe that preceded Nazism of which Hitler took advantage and that evolution is a scientific theory, that “whether or not we like it politically or morally is irrelevant,” and that “[s]cientific theories are not prescriptions for how we should behave.”[17] Expelled also equated an understanding of biological evolution with the rise of communism in the 20th century and the Berlin Wall was used as a double entendre in many parts of the film (part implying evolution and atheism are to blame for communism, part implying that academics in 21st century America are silenced for questioning Darwinian evolution).
Use of Reductio ad Hitlerum has been alleged in criticisms of United States Presidents Ronald Reagan,[18] George H. W. Bush, George W. Bush,[19] and Barack Obama, and against 2008 Presidential candidate John McCain.[20][21][22][23] For example, A Penn State trustee compared Reagan’s rhetoric when addressing a Young Americans for Freedom chapter to Adolf Hitler indoctrinating the Hitler Youth.[18] Moreover, American radio commentator Rush Limbaugh compared “the Democratic Party of today” and U.S. President Barack Obama to Nazis.[24] If the audience is meant to derive an equivalence between the two addressed organizations, this would constitute the fallacy; comparing the speakers’ rhetoric alone might be hyperbolic or a bad analogy, but would not constitute a fallacy.
[edit] In popular culture
The concept behind reductio ad Hitlerum sometimes makes appearances in the mass media. For example,
* In the film Office Space, main character Peter Gibbons, while trying to rationalize his embezzlement to his waitress girlfriend, notes that “the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear,” in reference to cloying buttons and slogans she’s required to wear at work.
* In the episode of Daria (“Pinch-Sitter”), the children Daria is babysitting for tell her that “Sugar is bad. Sugar rots your teeth. Sugar makes you hyper. Hitler ate sugar.”
* In the “Atomic No. 33″ episode of Numb3rs, the character Susan Doran criticizes science because it was embraced by the Nazis.
* In several high-profile ads, PETA vilified the food industry, comparing its use of animals to The Holocaust.
* In Ben Stein’s film Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed, Stein vilifies the theory of evolution claiming it gave rise to Nazism and The Holocaust.
The relative frequency of such comparisons in Usenet discussions led to the formulation of an adage called Godwin’s Law in 1990, which posits that the probability of analogies involving Hitler or the Nazis approaches 1 as the duration of an online discussion increases.[1]“
It’s like Jack Kerouac’s original scroll of On the Road!
Heh heh.
National socialist…ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
*headdesk* *snoooooooooooore*
*headcerealbowl*
OW! Shit, I gotta stop eating at the computer.
I hear inhaling milk hurts.
Not nearly as much as snorting Honey Nut Cheerios.
Or anti-depressants.
You’re supposed to swallow those.
Pfffff. Rules.
If you can’t fit your basic message on a car bumper sticker, don’t waste your time on a longwinded rant. Thank you.
I think “Pfffff. Rules.” fits quite well on a bumper sticker. So, I don’t know what you’re talking about.
It was the most longwindedest rantermostest rant I have ever seeeeeen!
tl;dr
lots of things she is suppost to swallow
Dirty boy.
tl;dr
Ah, a rare sighting of the Teal Deer… a light greenish-blue horned animal known for going on and on and on…
Now I have mojito on my monitor–this is a tragedy caused by humor!
Noooo! Not the mojito!
Huh. I didn’t realize I had entered the soapbox, I could have sworn this was a comedy site. If you’ll excuse me, I obviously need to update myself on teh interwebs travelling, as it seems I have gotten myself lost.
this is political lolz, but every now and then some politics does come out…
Dude….haven’t seen you in a while!
ubr my good man!
demasiado mucho trabajo… i pop up every now and then, but haven’t commented much… hope you all are doing well…
No fun to be around when you don’t have UF to play with?
or he shows up in time to be ubrmensch
hahaha… good one danbala… has anyone seen fester in a while?
Not in ages. Nice to see you again though…
Seeing your avatar reminded me of your (you and UF’s) little tiffs and quarrels for some reason.
(I MISS it!)
I have too much work too.
THANK YOU.
What a wonderful LOL! So true!
hahaha. like it democrats?
I DIDNT BUSH HAVE ANY YOUTH CORPS
Can you try again and this time make sense please?
I think he’s saying something about Democrats likeing something. . . and Maybe he tryed to say that “I DIDNT know BUSH HAd ANY YOUTH CORPS”
Oh, okay. I get it. Ale is an idiot.
No u!
Hitler actually killed over 13 million. 6 million were Jews. New “graves” have been discovered within the last year. It was previously believed the number of victims to be 11 million.
How come when it was ONLY Bush being referred to as Hitler NOT A SOUL said a word…but now that Obama is being referred to as Hitler it seems like EVERYONE has something to say?
I’m sorry, all I heard was WHARGARBLE…….
Look at the other comments on this LOL, this has been hashed out.
You know…as racist as Hitler was, I find it a tad ironic to compare Obama to him.
OBAMA ISN’T RACIST THAT’S RACIST AGAINST OBAMA!!! I’M GONNA CRY.
OBAMA HAS LOW SELF-ESTEEM SO HE HATES BLACK PEOPLE AND WHITE PEOPLE AND IS RACIST!!!!!!!!
If Obama hated white people as some frothy conservatrolls suggest, wouldn’t that mean he hates half of himself?
and hate his mama, and his passed granny….wait she died right before the election…OBAMA MUST OF KILLED HER
No. She died because Obama HATED her so much! She died of racism!
She died from too much yanking back and forth….in front of the bus, then back from in front of it, then back in front of the bus, then yanked back from in front of it……
It’s really taxing on teh elderly and such.
OBAMA HATES EVERYONE ESPECIALLY EVERYONE WHO IS BLACK OR WHITE OR LIVES IN AMERICA OR IS POOR OR RICH AND HE WANTS TO DESTROY THE COUNTRY!!!!!!!!
Ouch, that hurts.
and puppies…he hates puppies too…
I heard he eats kittens and washes them down with a tall glass of freshly squeezed baby soul. that’s what i heard anyways…
Oddly enough, this is what I see when I read about 75% of conservatives’ posts.
We do not claim those conservatives.
Or the Birthers. Those guys are just nuts.
you want to claim the tree huggers and peta wackos? us democrates dont want them
*stops hugging tree*
What? He’s my friend!
You guys have me rolling
That’s love right there 
Oh, and before I forget,
THIS CAPTION IS RACIST AND THESE COMMENTS ARE RACIST YOU’RE ALL A BUNCH OF RACISTS! AND I’M GOING TO CRY BECAUSE RACISM MAKES ME SAD!
We love you.
go cry emo kid go cry
boooooohooooooo
THANK GOD Someone said it!
If the Nazis killed 6 million Jews why are there so many survivors?
There are about 6 million Jews alive today. The math doesn’t work.
Apparently Scott has never read the directive in the Bible to “go forth and multiply”.
And is bad at math.
And has no clue about biology, either. Human life span, or reproduction.
Are there really only 6 million Jews alive today? Did Scott hand count them?
1…2…3……are you a jew, or just a big nose?…4….6….7….22………..6 million. I give up.
He tried counting circumcised schlongs but that didn’t go very well.
Have you heard that Comrade Obama wants to mandate the chopping of your schlong?
*hides schlong in freezer* He’ll never find it there!
That’s Emperor Obama to you.
He can wear the emperor hat better than anyone in the past because of the ears. It doesn’t slide.
Will the Emperor be getting new clothes?
He wanted Gaddafi’s (sp?) hat, but not even the ears will help him pull that off.
I should say not! My hubby is circumcised and not even REMOTELY Jewish. In fact, he come from Mor(m)ons. Thankfully, he is not one himself.
I’m not Jewish either.
Neither is my hubby.
Me neither. Oh wait.
YOU GUYS ARE A BUNCH OF ANTI-SEMITES! WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST JEWS? THERE’S ONLY SIX MILLION OF US LEFT, YOU RACISTS!
(ps, according to adherents.com, there are somewhere between 12-18 million Jews in the world. Super Jewey ones, too.
YOU’RE A RACIST! AND CAN’T YOU READ YOU RETARD! SOMEONE UP THERE SAID THERE IS ONLY 6MILLION LEFT WITHOUT CITING ANY SOURCE, CLEARLY HE IS RIGHT!
I think that we can only make one conclusion from suicide blonde’s figures. Not only did Hitler NOT kill 6 million Jews, but he, in face, manufactured 6 million additional Jews to supplement our Jew stock.
I like to start all my soups with a nice Jew stock. Kosher, of course.
LMAO s_b THAT was hysterical. I want some Jew sewp now. Does it go well with Soylent Green?
Soylent Green gets a little soggy, try the Soylent Matzo!
Hitler manufactured 6 million Jews and sent them back in time to eliminate as many Jews as possible. They were the Jewinators. Get to the choppah!!!!
GIT DOWWN!
well for starters scott…jews are spread out all over the world. and there was more then 6 million on the planet at the time, many fled when the nazi’s started up…the spider sense thing..not a great deal in europe now these days.
Because we have this invention we call Math. Have you ever considered that there were more than 6 million Jews before Hitler started the genocide?
If I ate two apples, why are there two apples left? The math doesn’t work! I only had four apples to start with…
scott are you a holocost denier?
im a stoopid interwebz troll and even IM not that dumb…
you know they DO have films of the holocost..
NO NO your right…6 million of them are still hideing…ALL THE JEWS GOT TOGTHER AND CAME UP WITH THIS GRAND MASTER PLAN TO FRAME THE NAZI’s who where os nice
Silly, BT, those Jews never existed. Next you’re gonna tell me we really landed on the moon.
It says in the Torah that when 6 million Jews are killed, that the messiah will come.
Where is he then?
LOL at the moon landing!
No I’m not a denier, I just firmly believe that the numbers are greatly exaggerated for use as a tool in various foreign policy and monetary gains.
OMGWTFBBQ?! IF IT SAYS IT IN THE TORAH IT MUST BE TRUE! Indisputable PROOF that the holocaust was’t really a holocaust, just some poor jews that were killed!
What MONETARY and FOREIGN POLICY gains are there to be had from saying that Hitler killed 6 million jews as opposed to some other number?
Tool.
the torah…the jewish holy book written over 2000 years ago?…
No, no that’s a different book.
charro facts are ignored here! i saw the frisco kid! i know all about jewishy stuff
Wow…I’m going to have to take a moment to just absorb what you wrote there. Okay, now let’s see. First, cite where the Torah says that 6 millions Jews are killed, the Messiah will return. Next, explain how the fact that the Messiah did not come proves that the Holocaust didn’t happen. Then, go back down into your mother’s basement and stay there.
He doesn’t have to cite, s_b. He’s just right.
and it dont mention dinosouras’s or racoons..they must not be real either!
So you’re saying that Pres Obama REALLY is the messiah? Sure it took about 50 years, but what’s that compared to 3 or 4 thousand? Who’d a thunk it… a non white messiah without a hippie hairdo!
EXAGGERATED??? Are you FVCKING kidding me? You, sir, are a butt fungus, and have just spat on millions of victims of Hitler’s cruelty. Oh, and prove that it didn’t happen. I dare you.
I can answer your question in three short words:
UNF UNF UNF
Obama’s healthcare plan sure seems like he feels the elderly are “inferior” and don’t deserve to live once they’re past their prime. And what about his support for the millions of babies murdered helpless inside their mother’s womb? His support for this practice being of national and international interest. Babies don’t seem too high on his totem pole either.
Is the comparison so unsuitable?
Here is a [LINK] for you, you who cannot tell the difference between “genocide” and “Health Care Plan”.
(Health)care troll cares more than us.
how did you come to this conclusion respectlife? did you read the plan and go hmmmmmm it seems he wants to kill my granny? or you get this second hand from a “news” source?
respectlife read on a blog that Obama wants to kill all of our grannies and bathe in a pool of their blood. It’s on the internet so it has to be true!
I want to bathe in a pool of granny blood! Mmmm and some soylent green too!
It’s made of Sqwirk. Did you know that?
Mmmmm Sqwirky green…
You’re reaaaaaaally ignorant. :B
[LINK]
Nesting fail. This was supposed to go above to respect life
Failfailfailfail. This isn’t remotely funny or relevant.
Well, regardless of what you think about old people and genocide there are still children being murdered—something Obama could “Change.”
I assume you are referring to… ABORTION?! And no, he can’t “Change” it.
Well, why not? He’s dictator, isn’t he? Isn’t his word law? Oh wait, he’s president and he can’t change law. Oh well. The law stands.
Stupid law!! How dare you get in the way of (Health)care troll and his stupidity!!
Stupid law. Making abortions safe for women instead of letting them die from infection in back alley abortions like God intended. Pfft.
And like Robert Bork wanted.
Bork Bork Bork.
I think there are a number of fringe hardcore pro-lifers who would want that. I don’t think most are like that though.
I’m just being a troll, Darling
MUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRDDDDEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRR!!!
How dare you, uh, talk bad about something that might or might not have happened, uh, 40-90 years ago, uh, that maybe someone might or might not have seen!!! JUSTICE!!!!!!! *froth flies*
Tree murder.. death.. Kennedy… Water stuff.
Wait, Kennedy was waterskiing and murdered a tree?
but that was bobby kennedy…
why that one guy shot him..he was in love with that tree
That guy was a real tree hugger.
but bitter troll is a axe murder
thats different
So I Married an Axe Murderer. Big frikkin deal.
charro, no! The admins will be coming for you next! Nobody expects the Cheezy Inquisition!!!
*runs and hides* OH NOOOOOOES!!
bitter troll expected them…he put out some punch and pie! the cheezy inquisition loves punch and pie
wait wasnt it congress that makes laws? why didnt the republican controled congress change that?
they must hate babies too
Yeah they must! Blame the republicans!
I was always hoping to die that way.
Well, the dirty libruls have crushed your dreams by making abortions legal. Sickening, isn’t it?
I’m so sick. *has a sad*
-hugs the charro-
Awww *hugs*
*hugs bitter troll*
Uh…please tell me that’s not what I think it is.
dont worry rando, its just my penis
You forgot to say “giggity.”
A comment, not at you, but a sidetrack to what you just wrote.
I am amazed that people like “respectlife” (yeah, right) seem to believe that making abortions illegal would actually stop them.
Lack of historical perspective–it affects a lot of folks. I know 2 retired nurses who worked in emergency rooms pre Rowe v Wade. But not everyone has that sort of connection, and so they lack a clue.
But is having a law that condones murder the right thing?
I wouldn’t define abortion as murder, as I am sure is possible to guess.
Even if I did, I would say that it is, when the alternatives are what they are.
Short answer Yes, long answer No with a But.
It’s better for women to die of infection in back alleys or to die because a pregnancy has gone horribly wrong? Is that better?
Of course. A woman who is pregnant has obviously Done The Dirty. A foetus has not. So the foetus is obviously far superior to the LEWD WOMAN.
And once again it managed to come back to the sandwich board kid and his picture of Lois Griffin and lewd women.
There is no getting away from him and his omnipresent sign of judgmentation!
Well, it helps that it’s all inclusive.
Respect life-really? You respect life? How many unwanted crack babies have you adopted? How many shelters for abused women and children do you volunteer at? So if all these women who dont want babies,just pop them out like a shit turd-who is gonna care for them? Who will STOP their suffering? who will love them and feed them?? How many suffering children have any of you fanatics helped???
“So if all these women who dont want babies,just pop them out like a shit turd-who is gonna care for them?”
Oh, won’t happen. It’ll be back to rusty coathangers. And silly women who can’t avoid getting pregnant OBVIOUSLY don’t have the sort of life one needs to respect, so death by illegal abortion is fine and dandy, you see…
Well, sure, it helps weed out those, uh, undesirables. Yes.
That hurt to type.
THANK YOU.
This is the question I want answered out of a pro-lifer. I bet most of it would be outraged sputters followed by “BABIES BABIES BABIES!”
The only Obama is going to change is going to be our deficit, and no, not in the right direction.
Now on Hitler. That dude was a freaking brilliant leader and very well educated. Other than the millions of people he had murdered, he’s an ideal president.
Pleeeeeeeeeaaaaaassssse tell me you’re being sarcastic.
Well, aside from being a crappy human being he was a great… I can’t say it. Fail.
Aside from the 6 millions Jews slaughtered, the 5 million others slaughtered, the invasion of several countries killing countless others, starting a World War and crushing his own country into the ground by being a smarmy dictator with a little man syndrome before taking the coward’s route and offing himself in an underground bunker before he could be taken and given justice, what did Hitler do that was so bad?
oh come on…..really…so he murdered a few million people..tried to take a chunk of the world or destroy it trying…was he really such a bad guy…sure he loved to be peed on dureing sex…but was that so tragic?
Little known fact: Hitler masturbated 12 times a day. Really, really freaky.
Did he switch hands, or was one arm more muscular than the other?
I bet he was a fan of “The Stranger.”
Why do you think he that arm raise salute thing? He wasn’t saluting anyone. He kept having arm cramps.
Jawohl mein fuhrer!!
Dayaaamn. O _o;;
Freaky?
I don’t see where you’re going with this.
Some of us just really, really like to sex ourselves, Eric.
At some point doesn’t it start to hurt?
In fact, I heard Hitler could paint an entire apartment in one afternoon. Two coats.
Now that’s skill. That would’ve been more useful than that whole evil dictator thing.
Did he make the paint dry in between by shouting at it?
He picked his nose! A filthy habit. And he didn’t wash after he pooped!
he had a lovely singing voice
So do you, bitter dear.
Ya know, besides this whole deficit thing, Obama is an ideal leader. Besides the whole Watergate thing, Nixon was a great president. And so on and so forth…
Couldn’t have said it better myself. Damn liberals and conservatives desensitize us to people like Hitler when we should be getting a very important cautionary tale from him. I know people who lived through the holocaust, and frankly, it’s demeaning and insulting to everything they had to go through to call every president Hitler.
Seriously guys, unless the president, whoever it is, plans on committing genocide, kindly shut the hell up.
OUTSTANDING sentiment!!!
I’ll agree to that once Ezekiel Emanuel is sacked and discredited
Obama is Franklin D. Roosevelt; Bush was/is Wilhelm II.
THANK YOU!
WOAH. The internetz just became serious for a moment. No trolling, just serious, intellectual talk. I’m a bit in shock…but to be a bit more relevant, I wonder how Hitler would feel about being compared to either of them. It feels like his name’s been thrown around too much in politics.
You can dish it out for Bush but now you’re on the receiving end…
Oh, I don’t know there have been quite a few massmurder pressidents in the US history, wouldn’t say that any of them managed to kill of 6.000.000 people. But at least they tried.
huh? remember the red indians?….
pot and kettle are coming to mind…
THANK YOU! I was against GW, but even I didn’t have the chutzpuh to call him Hitler! Now Obama’s Hitler less than a year into his presidency. Like you said, can we go easy on the namecalling?
Good content. But it makes a shitty lol-picture, because it’s too long.
Bush managed to get quite close to 6 000 000 dead people…
He is pure evil and is single handedly destroying my country by turning it into his own socialistic dream. The only way he could possibly change my opinion of him, would be if he did kill 6,000,000 people for having inferior genes. Starting with all the illegal mexicans, then everyone else who doesn’t speak english in my country. Euthanize everyone in prison and all the lazy uneducated inner city dirtbags that are stealing my tax dollars through the welfare system. btw, i’m talking about the blacks. And if there’s time left over take care of the jews for killing my lord and savior jesus christ…
Dear Jesus,
You’re Awesome, and thanks for dying for my sins and all that.
Now, please… save me from your fanbase.
Thanks, Amen, and a Celestial Fist-Bump,
Elbie
cause ya know…cheesus was all about genocide
You mean the whole “love thy neighbor” thing was just rhetoric?
Crap, now I’m newly disillusioned.
Well, all the power in the world and the worlds most powerful dad. But he chooses not to rescue millions of people from starvation, death and misery. That is wicked.
Instead he performs magic tricks like walking on water and turning water into wine. Pretty useless stuff really.
Hey, the water into wine trick was not useless…
Don’t be an ass.
What Would Jesus NOT Do?
That’s actually rather amusing.
*makes a list of people with inferior genes, puts Hugh at the top*
All set, Hugh! People with inferior genes genocide in 3..2..
Jesus said you’re a douche and he gave you the finger.
true that.i remember when i was driving home with my sis and saw a sign with obama with a hitler mustach and said we`ve changed and got really pissed.if a guy with that sing asked for a ride id kick him in the um but
lolwhut?
What’s an um but, and how do I avoid being kicked there?
It’s a lot like a umlaut, which is used in German. I think I finally see the connection…
Oh, so it’s two dots you put over the word but. büt.
obama likes dogs…. meaning he is just like hitler! omg!
It’s hilarious to read how inflationary “hitler” is used in the US. However, how much lessons in school were about the nationalsocialism in Europe (As a matter of fact, except for the UK and France, almost every European country was lead by a facist dictator in the 1930s)? If you accumulated every lesson about that time taught in german schools, it would be almost a whole year ONLY about the most terrifing period ever. Thus, we germans (and I am one, feel free to do your childish reactions
) know what’s really important about that time for today’s behavior: responsibility! How dare you, comparing your presidents with Hitler so frequently? We would NEVER connect Angela Merkel (our cancelor who you might know) or e.g. Gerhard Schröder (former cancelor) with Hitler.
The discussion in the US about the Healthcare system kind of amuses me whilst it makes me facepalming over and over again.
Our healthcare system is MUCH more regulated and so financed by taxes. And trust me: It works fine (except for changes due to a deregulation…) , everyone has an insurance which provides for enough and well equipped surgery for everyone, no matter if he/she is poor or rich.
You REALLY should reconsider your fears about regulation.
You often call Obama a “socialist” or a “commie”. You want to know, in which german party Obama would fit best? -The conservative party, so called CDU.
(anyone won’t ever read till the end xD)
So true, and therefor so funny. Just goes to show how inadequate our education is on government and the true variety of political views in the world.
Good points. Politics in the USA is a contact sport played often played without protective equipment (realistic arguments). It’s kind of like banning smoking but being OK with excessive air pollution.
I’m not gonna make fun of you for being German. I love Germany. Studied the language for several years in high school and college. I can’t remember much now. My great great grandparents came over from Germany. I’ve got nothing but respect for your country. And I love your cars too.
Wow-ignorance still prevails! IRAQ was an occupation of a SOVEREIGN nation-Iraq had NOTHING to do w 9/11–check your CIA/Mossad kill squads-thats who benefitted from this dastardly deed. Carpet bombing cluster bombing-WHO CARES which-its ALL MADness and killing of women children and whole families–AMERICANs dying too!! For what for what?? Greed for the rich pigs who control us-while we send our kids to fight their dirty war–wake up and read you bunch of mind-controlled ZOLOFt zombies who troll america in support of their MASTERS plan-war war war-is not good for the earth,for our children,for humanity..if there is any left….makes me sick. peace
Quick, go down into the bunker and wait it out — turn off all electronics so they can’t track you down. Don’t forget the tin-foil hats.
According to neocon blueprints make it clear that even should relations with Saddam improve (they used to be great) USA should still seek a permanent presence in the region.
The downing street memos prove that we we’re being lied to. In fact, at the time they sold the wars it was so transparent its amazing to me how gullible people can be. Or is it my wish that people actually become more skeptical that plays a part?
And no, Obama won’t leave Iraq fully either. Its a permanent presence (at least ’till the oil runs out).
and your point is?
At the very least you very lied to. Straussian deceptions..
Mick, SPEAK ENGLISH, Mick….
Jumping Jack Flash, it’s a gas gas gas.
WHOOPIE!!!
That was one of my parents’ favorite movies in the 80s. I’ve seen it way too many times. LOL
Dude, this is interesting. We’re getting batshit crazy on this thread from both sides of the spectrum, left and right. You don’t see that very often.
Well, there are people in the world who believe the unborn to be actual people and American citizens. So they believe the U.S. has killed way more people than Hitler, so…
And we seem to be heading down the path of state control, whether it looks like communism, socialism, etc. The state owns you. We don’t even have private property anymore. Taxing your home and land and being able to eminent domain is absolutely unconstitutional. That doesn’t sound like freedom to me.
Anyway…
You could always move. See ya!
Obama, and his fellow socialists Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, and Mao will always tend to atheism and totalitarianism. They will inevitably seek first to control people’s lives out of “compassion” and ultimately will murder them to control them. Obama is part of the same school, but just hasnt consolidated his power yet. God willing, he never will.
I wasn’t aware that you’d never ever learned a single thing about Political Science, nor that you’d be such a f*cking idiot. Seek help, buddy, instead of letting out by trolling on the internet. Look up “Reductio ad Hitlerum” on Wikipedia. This will show you the fallacy in the logic you’re following, and how much of an alarmist tool you’re being.
I got the impression that he was actually in Germany, amazing invention, the internet… I think that’s why it’s called the world-wide web. Can someone pass the snitzel?
This was an absolute LOLocaust!
wahahahahaha, made me laugh xD
Right now, I am in germany, so how shall I get back?
Besides it’s called “Schnitzel”, I rather prefer eating than sucking it.
Without the german invention “computer” you wouldn’t even be able to troll around.
Well, except for cars, great literature (you know goethe?), toothpaste, helicopters, adidas, airbags, the mp3 codec, letterpress, reformation, newspapers, AC, trains, X-Ray, quantum physics, theory of relativity, transistors and laser to name the most relevant, I always remember one german invention: reason.
My spelling may be off since I don’t speak German, but it tastes really good. Last time I had some really good Schnitzel was in Stuttgart back in ’95. No I’m hungry, gotta find some.
well besides all that
What have the GERMANS done for us?
They pretty much founded the field of biology…and they dominated science research until someone decided that Jewish folk were undesirable. Charlie Foxtrot can have the schnitzel, but I would like some schlag!
V.G., what’s schlag? Beer is ser gut, and hey, grunt — two words — The Amish, uh oops Whayt have the Germans done for us?
Ja! Ich liebe mein bier. Danke, Herr Charlie!
Biite, mein fraulein!
I mean Bitte! *walks away mumbling since he blew the dazzling response due to a misplaced i*
Oh, it’s ok Charlie! I forgive you!
Thanks! I’ll buy you a beer. Zwie bier, bitte…
Ja! Ich habe durst! Danke, mein freund. *glup*
Wo ist mein Bier? Ich möchte ein bier, bitte.
Ich habe kein bier.. Ich habe trank es.
Du hast es getrunken? Warum? Warum??????
Harum scarum five alarum bung-a-loo!
I thought is was “das komputer”?
my neighbour is hitler cause he never greets.^^
… I might need Wang back up on this one.
And Lo from the heavens, the Wang descended before extending
Spouting his sticky wisdom upon the greedy faces of the righteous
Of shuddering sack and throbbing power, did them learn
Learn they did, in quivering flesh and hardy pounding
Quickening til the very end, the end of their limits, their minds, their very souls
The pious, the righteous, the simply horny, the vagabond lover
All knelt before the might they had witnessed, tears streaming as rivers of joy from their hallowed faces
And doth Godwin was found wanting, and yearning, and sticky
All hail the Wang for he loves you, all of you, all the way through you…
@ Jim: Before you attempt to make what you deem to be an articulate and coherent statement, please make sure your post contains facts, and not statements pulled from thin air.
I would like to draw your attention to your opening sentence:
”
Obama, and his fellow socialists Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, and Mao will always tend to atheism and totalitarianism.
”
I would like for you to define ‘Socialism’ for me, because from my perspective it doesn’t quite seem that you’ve got the picture. First off, Labelling Hitler, Stalin, Lenin and Mao as ‘socialists’ is simply incorrect. None of the aforementioned people were socialists. Ever. Fact. Period. Done. Dusted. Zip. Hitler was a Fascist. Considering the political spectrum, consisting of right and left wing, socialism is left, fascism is right(wing). THE OPPOSITE. I don’t think you could be more wrong in this statement. If your retort to this is “Nazi means national socialist” then you clearly do not understand the definition of socialist, and I suggest you go and learn history. All of it, you need the practice, I can tell you haven’t done much learning in a while.
Stalin and Mao were both Communist, so at least this time you got the left\right wing bias correct, but sadly for you Communism is different to Socialism. Hence the reason we use the word ‘socialism’ to describe it, and not the word ‘communism’. They are similar, you may argue, but just to ram home my point that you have no idea what you are talking about, a majority of Stalin and Mao’s policies are not Socialist at all.
Yes Lenin was a Socialist. Correct, +1 point. I still lead on 100-1.
The phrase “…will always tend to atheism and totalitarianism.” doesn’t quite make sense. Your use of the words ‘will…tend’ indicate you are writing in the future tense. However, seeing as four out of five of your ‘socialists’ are dead, I find it difficult to believe they will be able to ‘tend to(sic) atheism and totalitarianism”, since a tendency is a likelihood of behaving (again future tense) in a certain manner.
I think you should review basic grammar.
Eg. He will always be the best. -Future tense
He has always been the best. -Past tense
If someone already has a belief, then they do not possess a tendency towards that belief, as a tendency is a predisposition, a high probability. If Mr. X was an atheist, the probability that he is an atheist is 1. There are no other options. Something with a tendency does not always have a specific value or behaviour. Example: “The loaded die tends to fall on the number six” suggests that the die is more predisposed to landing on six, but also that there is a non-zero probability that it can take a value of six.
I could go on for much longer but I will just sum up with this: If you want to look clever and informed, ensure that your facts are correct and that you have a correct grasp of the means of delivery, in this case, the English language. When a paragraph is opened with the sort of sentence that you used, don’t expect to be persuading anyone (with a brain) to your point of view. When it is presented in such a manner, it is made all the less attractive.
Have a nice life.
Have a nice life.
Nice! Stick around, you’ll be very welcomed here!
Cheers
Liam – Fascists, like Mussolini and Hitler, were socialists. Their ideas were right in line with socialism, and when they came to power they had a great deal of the support of the liberal left in this country. Lenin, Mao, and Stalin all were socialist too, and again had a great deal of support among the left. Communism developed out of socialism. Sadly, I have the advantage of knowing people who fled Russia to get away from the communists, and they understand the differences between communists and socialists are minor. Even today, communists part of the socialist parties in Italy and France.
Socialists will always tend to atheism and totalitarianism. Not only do they not believe in God, their solution to every problem will be to take away freedom, to take away rights, to take away life. Obama is doing that right now, and would be even more inclined to do so if he could. Socialism, Communism, Fascism, and Totalitarianism all rely on moving political power to the federal level from the local level. To the collective from the individual. They are all about political power.
You may not be able to see it yet, maybe because you are young and haven’t had enough of your earnings and freedoms taken from you. Your attitude certainly says volumes about you. And, as to who seems the more clever and informed, I’m willing to take my chances against you anytime.
By your explanation, the USA has trended towards atheism and totalitarianism since the ratification of the Constitution of 1787.
Oh if only. Well, the atheism, not so much the totalitarianism.
Jane, not by my explanation, but by Jim’s. His line of reasoning is false, but that’s OK.
See my response below. And might I add, should I give you reading comprehension tutorials?
Charlie Foxtrot,
By my explanation the Democratic party has strongly trended towards atheism and socialism since the 1930s. Its interesting that another probable Democrat, Jane St.Clair, pointed out one of them out to you immediately after your comment. The other is just as obvious, even if you don’t see it. But that’s OK.
That’s not at all what Jane did.
Dude, Charlie is my dad. I wasn’t disagreeing with him I was expressing my wish that our country could be more atheist.
Jim, there was a date in your original comment? I have a problem with numbers, especially when they aren’t there. Also, you are assuming that I am a democrat. Jane is, I am not. But Youre line of reasoning is specious, but your rose colorled glasses won’t allow you to see it. Your statements are, at best, naive.
Charlie Foxtrot and Jane St.Clair – No, there wasnt a date in my original message, but since you wanted to elaborate, so did I. And yes, I thought you were and still think you are a probably a democrat. Oh, wait, let me guess..you’re an independent! I also don’t know which is sadder, a more atheist country, or your daughter wishing that it was. Do you agree with her, do you wish it was a more atheist country?
Ooooooh, this is about to get real ugly. DUCK AND COVER!!!
BTW, in this country we have freedom of religion, including no religion at all. You have no place telling Jane what she believes is sad.
hate to disagree rando but this country also has freedom of speech, jim may be an @sshole, but he has every right to think haveing no religion is sad and to say such a thing. on the other hand, you can feel and say haveing a silly religion about a magical man in the sky who loves you no matter what but will throw you into a burning lake forever and ever if you just have buttsecks with one guy ish rather silly.
As long as it’s surprise buttsecks you should be fine.
oh he was suprised yes
I was waiting for that. I know he has freedom of speech. He has the right, but he’s still wrong. So nyah.
Jim, I am an independent, always have been. I have frequently voted for members of both major parties and members of others as I saw fit. Your assumptions are just that, assumptions. You’re so wrapped up in your own political-religious quagmire that you are blind. Your statements are irrational and unsupportable since their sole basis lies in a document that you accept as real and others may not based upon their own belief stucture, that you label as SAD. The problem with people like you is that you REALLY don’t believe in freedom, you just want control and the ability not only to tell others how to believe but to get the power of the state to enforce it. If your belief is SO right, why do you need the government to enforce it? No, if anyone is SAD it is you and those of your ilk.
I’ve given up on the religious, it’s like arguing with an ACTUAL FLOW of circular logic.
Bash him extra good for me, if ya would. I’ve been reading and he’s acting like a tool.
Not all the religious are this closed-minded. This person shouldn’t be allowed to dress himself much less vote. What has the world come to?
Charlie Foxtrot, Not only I am not blind, I’m not angry or bitter either. My observations are observations. And from your statement regarding a document that I accept as real, I’d say I was pretty on the mark regarding my observation about atheism. Its alright to believe in nothing, but it is sad. You and I were put here for a greater purpose, and we should seek out why and by whom. But, as I noted before, socialists will always tend to atheism and totalitarianism. Its an observation. Atheism and socialism are closely tied and always have been. That is simple historical fact. Communists and Nazis made atheism part of their belief system, in part because Christianity values the individual and private property. Its easier to see why socialists tend to totalitarianism, there are people who disagree with socalism and must be forced into it, jailed, or eliminated. Socialism values the collective and does not respect the individual. Obama is willing and anxious to force everyone into his so-called health care reform program. Not optional, mandatory. And if you don’t want health care? Fines, jailtime, threats. Send in union thugs to terrorize protestors. Everything must be done now, immediately! No time to read it, understand it, or protest against it. Look at the stimulus program, instead of letting us spend more of our own money or keep more of our own money, its taken away from taxpayers, sent to the federal government, and redistributed. They know better than you how to spend your money. Socialists insist that this be done at the federal level, where we have almost no say in the process, certainly far less than when we are taxed at the state-level, or taxed at city-level, or taxed less, or taxed not at all.
It was good talking to you.
“Christianity values the individual and private property.”
Oh that’s horse shit. You just made baby Jesus cry. Christianity does NOT value private property. And altruism is valued far higher than individualism. You have no fvcking clue what you’re talking about. If you’re gonna call people sad for not believing, then you’d better fvcking have your ducks in a row when you talk about your own religion. Have you ever even looked in the Bible????
You have repeatedly shown how completely stupid you are and what a waste of bandwidth your posts are. You are, unfortunately, entitled to express your opinion no matter how pathetic it is. But do us all a favor and sell crazy somewhere else. We’re all stocked up here.
-Rolls on floor laughing at Jim-
-Becomes depressed at what pathetic bullshit humanity falls for, including reality TV and Jim’s opinion-
-Sighs and wishes he had a flame-proof Jim punching bag-
Wow, there is so much fail here I don’t even know where to begin.
What planet do you live on? Modern American christianity values nothing but control, well most conservative Christians, anyway — the Mennonites, who come close to the real message that the bible attributes to Christ are looked down upon by “TRUE” christians. Your doctrine, especially as described by your recent piece of the blog is all about greed and selfishness. I want ALL my money, big bad government wants to take it, but don’t make MY church pay for it’s fair share of protection, or roads, or services! Let’s see JESUS says, let those people suffer without health care, after all it’s their fault they aren’t rich enough to pay for basic health care, it’s their fault they cretpt acroiss a man-made border to seek a better life, it their fault the corporation skimps as much as they can get away with with regards to wages yet extorts tax breaks from the government. Christians like you make me sick.
Jim, you fail on every single point you’ve made. I can’t believe there are really people this ignorant still around. Have you gotten past the world-is-flat thing yet?
I think you should review basic grammar
You do see your plethora of sanctimony fails, yes?
Can you please review your comment, it doesn’t make sense. You cannot have a plethora of an uncountable noun.
Well done there.
Liam – Finally, I wanted to note that the fact that Hitler, Lenin, Mao, and Stalin were socialists is not a secret. It would not take long for you to discover this. Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels equated the terms communism and socialism in The Communist Manifesto. You obviously are not unintelligent, and others have pointed out that fascists and communists are socialists to you before. But, it is not our job to persuade or educate you. That is your job. Having been exposed to a truth that you did not know or did not comprehend – like the definitions of Socialism or National Socialism – should prompt you to do some research. Do some, even a small bit.
Oh, and I believe the original sentence structure of the “tending to atheism…” sentence is correct. I may have needed another comma after “Mao”, but I think it is optional. Perhaps you can take it to an English professor to explain to you why it is or is not correct.
Liam is right – mostly. Just wanted to correct the part he misunderstands: “Nazi” is an abbreviation from “Nationalsozialist”, which is a combined word. “National” and “Sozialistisch”. First one you will get I guess, second one indeed means socialistic. But constricted to the chosen ones, the socialistic part of the party NSDAP (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) just was focused on the german people, or better said, the “Arier”. But definitions change with history, and as last words I just wanna say: noone can be named after anyone, since everyone does things different. its just dumb and stupid to name Bush Hitler, or vice versa. Period.
My intent was to highlight the common misconception of Nazi standing for National Socialist, as in the retort “Nazi means national socialist” is an insufficient rebuttal, as it is incorrect. Apologies if the intent was not clear. I guess I should have added in what you said, in conjunction with my comment to address the misconception.
Cheers,
Liam
P.s. It is 3:42AM here, I am more than a little tired. :p
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I come to LolNews to laugh, not to be bombared with serious, relevant crap. Quit posting stupid Lolz like this. It’s as annoying as Dancing With the Stars.
X10000 hell and this is the stuff that gets to the front page, the vote section is worse
This may have already been said but I think it is much easier to liken George W Bush to Hitler than Obama. He may not be personally responsible for the deaths of millions of people but he did take a little lesson from Hitler when it comes to drumming up the support of a nation based on false pretense. Let’s remember that Hitler burned down the Reichstag building and blamed it on the Jews in order to propel Germany and its people into the right ‘patriotic’ state of mind which made mass genocide possible to look past. In the same way, many believe (and there is much evidence to suggest this is true) that George W and his cronies knew about, if not planned, the attacks on the United States on September 11th 2001. Was this not the single action that allowed a nation of people to look past the invasion and subsequent war waged in the middle east? The similarities are uncanny and undeniable.
Also, George W’s grandfather was a Nazi supporter.
Sorry, all I got from your meaningless word-vomit was; “You’re all just jealous because the voices in my head only talk to me.”
Once and for all, NO ONE’S JEALOUS of your alien anal probes.
If George W. Bush planned, or even knew about and ignored, the September 11 attacks, then I will concede some similarity of evil character to Hitler. Unfortunately for your argument, the evidence for this is absolute nonsense spewed by delusional Bush-haters wearing tin foil hats. Do you also accept the reality of the Loch Ness monster, big-foot, and alien abductions? Their supporters also claim that the evidence is uncanny and undeniable.
WHARGARBL!!!!!111!!!!
The warnings were certainly there. Whether it was just mere incompetence which resulted into non-action well that cannot be determined.
I certainly like how they stonewalled every sort of investigation on the biggest attack ever in US history.
Time limits, limits on probing, financing limits.. it took a lot to get it going. And it wasn’t any sort of independent study since Zelikow is closely tied to Rice..
I like the way you think, fantom. And also, Bush did not drum up any support from he public, from what I remember. He had an incredibly low approval rating and the majority of Americans were against the war. If the war came down to a democratic vote of the people, then it wouldn’t have happened; if Hitler’s agenda against the Jews et al. came to a vote, his people were so brainwashed and ignorant to the situation that they would have voted for it.
If anything, you should be pointing the fingers at Bush’s advisors. Presidents don’t make all of their decisions on their own, you know. Hitler did.
The approval rating was much higher at the time. Other than that read MorticiaAddams post.
well, Bush killed a half a million for being born on top of oil so lets at least give him a little credit. he just wasn’t as good as Hitler but Hitler was the Michael Jordan of being an asshole.
And you’re the Charles Manson of being an idiot.
WIN!
Soo… Obama is now Stalin?
Is Bush still Hitler?
I need to know what mustaches to draw on their pictures, damnit.
bush is bush
hitler is an @sshole
cheesus is tastey with crackers
obama is human
stalin is still dead
I say take creative license. Let your inner mustache free.
My mustache is to busy giving free rides to draw anything.
The classic Snidely Whiplash is always a good one.
So, Bush killed something like 200,000 Iraqis. That makes him like 1/5 of an “H” right?
5 x 200,000 = 1 million. Hitler killed a LOT more than 1 million people. Plus, there is a big difference between wantonly murdering civilians and what Bush did.
1/5 of an H, not 1/5 of HITLER. If each letter equals 1 million, Anon is correct.
Oh. Good point. The partial letter was too subtle for me.
I know “regular” people may have called Bush “hitler” and made funny signs, etc. like the teabaggers have.
But did anyone in the media, like Limbaugh or Beck, call Bush Hitler? This isn’t an apples to apples comparison at this point.
Michael “Big Fat Stupid White Guy” Moore made pretty much the same arguments as “Katie” a few posts above here in his “Full-of-crap 9-11″ movie.
Best entry on this site to date.
Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it.
Those that make it up, can add alot more cool ninja fights!
And then the pirates come in!!!!!
Pirates -VS- Ninjas
Bring in the robots!
And the tyrannosaurs in F-14s!
Tyrannosaurs are too big for F-14s. Let the raptors fly them. They’re smarter anyway.
I really wish people would keep their serious opinions off this site. Aren’t these supposed to be funny?
Based on a study in which I typed the first number that popped into my head, that would eliminate 38% of Internet arguments.
well by my made of numbers 704% of all pie is made of cherries
By my numbers, Eleventy thousand percent divided by zero is pi.
Thank you for your serious opinion.
Nah, if you want funny go to the LOL site where people try to talk like cats while the real cats ignore them.
cats are tastey
http://cheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=5095258
I’m always too lazy to read past 600+ comments when a controversial pic comes up, but I do agree! Well said.
I do love looking at photos though, and seeing the others around it that have about 50 comments even though they’ve been here for weeks.
well clearly your racist because of that
MURDERRRRRRRR1!!1111!1!!!!!!
Wait, what are we talking about again?
Guess how many people are killed now that Obama has signed laws allowing partial birth abortions. I’ll give you a hint, it will make 6 million seem like a warm up.
No abortion will happen unless people choose to perform them. The government doesn’t make the decision. And why is that considering that USA has so much anti-abortion people it still rates high internationally under the number of abortions performed?
Perhaps you need to deal with root causes on why it happens, such as socio-economics. Many abort because they cannot afford a baby… And don’t teach those silly abstinence programs when they do not clearly work…study after study shows this.
Don’t like abortions? Then don’t contribute. But let it be known that the number one abortionist is mother nature itself.
And you’re probably religious…so my question is. Who designed this system? Does god have no responsibility?
*golf claps*
*fangirls you*
What are you talking about? Bush signed the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban into law in 2003. It’s still in effect.
Meaningless facts, ESM. They have no place on the internet!
Obama doesn’t tell.. or MAKE.. people get abortions, moron. He can’t change the law regarding abortions either.. And he hasn’t.
“The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act (Pub.L. 108-105, 117 Stat. 1201, enacted November 5, 2003, 18 U.S.C. § 1531[1], PBA Ban) is a United States law prohibiting a form of late-term abortion that the Act calls partial-birth abortion. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that the term “partial-birth abortion” in the act pertains to a procedure that is medically called intact dilation and extraction.[2] Under this law, “Any physician who, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, knowingly performs a partial-birth abortion and thereby kills a human fetus shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.” The law was enacted in 2003, and in 2007 its constitutionality was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court, in the case of Gonzales v. Carhart.” [LINK]
Quit yer right-wingnut conspiracy thumping.
no president makes laws now. didnt watching GWB prove anything, he president man so obama can do what ever he wants. declair what he wants. like the KING!
its true…obama is elvis
Now you’re gonna make the crazy people look right. Nice job.
Yeah Hitler killed millions of people but most of them were Jews. Nobody likes Jews do they? You know that killing millions is wrong, but at the same time, you don’t really care, you know it’s true. You’re sitting there right now thinking the same.
You suck at being a psychic. Stick to “insane person”. You do that really well.
Actually, I’m a Jew, so no. When you wake up in the morning, do you say to yourself, “I’m going to be an anti-semitic prick today,” or do you just spout hatred as the mood takes you?
Jewy jew jew.
Cartman: Shut up, you fu(kin’ Jew.
Mr Garrison: Eric! You can’t use that word!
Cartman: What, Jew?
Ahh, good times.
I want your Jew gold. Take off your shirt so I can see the bag of Jew gold you wear on a string around your neck. *leer*
Fvck the gold. You had my attention at “take off your shirt.”
Pst. That’s the point.
You’re gonna have to wait until I finish my weekly viewing of Yentl. I just love Barbra!
Actually, I’m sitting here thinking about boobs, but I do that about 89% of the time anyway.
I hear ya. The other 11% of the time, I’m thinking about muff.
And the other 10% of the time, I think about food.
I know. That’s more than 100%. Sometimes the first two overlap.
-Gives the Chuck Norris thumbs up from Dodgeball-
You win, TAR.
fvcing chuck norris
I am sorry but it’s true . . .
Actually, I’m sitting here thinking that Jews are A) awesome because many of them accept and openly acknowledge their stereotypes in a comedic way, and B) are also people. I think of it as if I had a million lives, and was every single one of those people. It’d be hell. Starving to death, dying of exhaustion? Can you even IMAGINE that? They’re humans too- put yourself in their shoes. Now do it over and over again. Imagine dying 100 times at the foot of a sociopath for his incorrect agenda. Now multiply that by ten, then one thousand, then six. Can you imagine six million deaths from starvation, six million murders of people who were, for the crimes they were accused of, innocent? I can’t even imagine a thousand Igors living and dying and being forced to experience that kind of pain, let alone six million. A murder is a murder, regardless of your prejudice. It’s not like they CHOSE to have Hitler believe they had “inferior genes.”
I love Best Week Ever.
Hitler is a lesson for the rest of the world…not that it ever learns.
we need to to stop thinking of people as masters and slaves…
The world is big enough for all of us.
Take care of what you got and leave the others alone….
lol, looks like someone’s smart here.
Reading the trolls and some so-called opinions I can confirm that the human race is ending soon.
so called opinions?
how can a opinion be so called…
YOU SAY YOU BELIEVE THIS! BUT YOUR WRONG..cake is way better then pie!
You call a statement from someone who ‘believes’ in the Obama-Hitler comparison an opinion? Seriously?
Well it’s not a fact. Just because it’s stupid doesn’t make it not an opinion.
I’ll be as baffled as bitter troll here:
Do you mean an opinion has to reach a certain standard before it can be an opinion?
That’s just your opinion.
Oo snap!
Ahaha.
Even better. 
Teh trollz have it rite, this issue is a mute point. STOP COMPARING!!! EFF
No one cares about the others opinion you wont change mine.
-picks up his things and leaves-
So you’ll be mute, like your point?
If it was a mute point, why was he yelling?
The more pressing question: Why did he choose to spell the phonetic of the first letter of the swear word he wanted to say?
I think the word your looking for is “moot” you moron
Actually, Obama *wants* to be Stalin, i.e., the Russian Hitler. With ObamaCare, Obama’s Health Czar will determine who has the right genes and who has inferior genes that would cost too much to treat.
Wow, a psychic! Do tell me, what am I thinking now?
Something about sex, I’m guessing.
Akshully, I was thinking Mickey Blue Balls is a fukcing moron, but good guess!
Those would be yours.
Comrade Maxwell, add Mickey Blue Eyes to the death panels. Emperor Obama will NOT be questioned!!
*nods*
The greater good…
*pens in Mickey Blue Eyes*
when are you baby’s gonna stop crying about who is right, the Denocrats or the Republican’s, and start caring about what is right for the American’s!!!
Be gentle, Ben.
When are you retards going to stop abusing the comma so?
I prefer abusing semi-colons, my self, Charro.
I abuse my colon with super hot foods.
Better living through chemistry!
*looks up from chemlab of ecstasy making stuffs* Whuhh…?
No, no.. it’s chemicals!
Man… and all this time I kept eating really thick books!
*looks up from eating books* Whuhh…?
you may be getting a visit from the library police..
*shivers*
The only thing that ever pops into my head when someone mentions that is “Steeeeady…”
*shivers*
FUKC I MEANT THE APOSTROPHE
How did I miss your post? Sorry.
mouse abuse!
‘Tis ok. I’ll get over it.
Or worse, the apostrophe.
We’re still trying to sort that out. Some say it’s already happened. Some say now is the time. While a majority thinks the caring will happen when a Republican gets back in office. So no matter how much we try, it just isn’t going to happen. Best bet is you just acknowledge and move forward.
THANK YOU.
Love this lol.
Clearly, Mr. GRection, you have never driven a Volkwagen. Wonderful cars.
50,000,000 babies killed. Evil enough for ya?
No. What else ya got?
50,000,000? BabyRitas all around!
This will last us… Almost…. Through the week! -Dances happily-
Hey, you get out of my basement too!!!
Okay, seriously people. I think that 1,000+ comments are quite enough. Seriously, if anyone says anything below this mark, then you are a very silly person.
This has been a public service announcement brought to you by that little birdie; No, you are not crazy. =]
Yes.
I AM a very silly person.
You’re acting like a ditzy and illogical idiot. The trolls here might be a little overzealous, looking at all these comments, but regardless of HOW many people have spoken they still have the right to comment after you.
Also- if you want us to take you seriously, don’t use “seriously” twice in two lines. Sure, it’s a lot of comments, but it’s not like what you posted is going to stop them anyway.
And really, is “very silly person” the best you can come up with? Because you commented after the thousand mark, doesn’t that make you a hypocrite?
And besides… SOME of us are still having fun.
Same.
I’m having fun playing troll golf.
I’m posting just to get us to 2,000.
I’m posting to get pittypat to 2,000.
*hopes he means he’ll get me at 5,280*
OVER 9000!!!
WHAT?! THAT’S IMPOSSIBLE!
I watched that episode and laughed, even at age 10.
2000 or bust!!
And the strippers are here! Woohoo!
I couldn’t leave a stripper comment with no reply, but I’m also still at work, still tired, and can’t come up with anything witty… So here goes:
Reply.
“Reply.”
Yeah, that’s what I’m saying! Woohoo!!
I’m sorry! I’m trying! It’s so late… I ju- *snores*
Amen! Enough already!
If it’s enough for you, then why are you posting and making the comments even MORE numerous? Hypocrite.
You know, nobody asked you to click on the comments section for this LOL. You knew it had over 1,000 when you clicked on it. Why did you click on it just to start shit? Ass munch.
hitler didn’t start out by killing everyone, and there is no clear indication in any of obama’s writings that he is about to exterminate millions of people. but the control that hitler exercised politically is very similar to what obama is after…
omg like hitler had a cold when he was 6 years old and wow guess what so did . . .
That may be true, but that doesn’t excuse calling a man you don’t even know personally anything NEAR Hitler. You have no proof that he has any intention of killing “lesser peoples”, nor is it a clean move to relate someone’s political opinions to that of a dictator who killed millions- there are easily other people you can compare the opinions do it, but it’s done for shock value, and because people associate Hitler’s political views with his murder of millions of people. Don’t try and justify yourself.
Where are you getting your talking points? Beck or O’Reily? Hannity maybe? Limbaugh? Go peddle your alarmist bullshit elsewhere please.
I wanna be the very best
Like no one ever was
DUN DUN NUHNUH
Everyone here = retard. Shut the hell up already.
Lulz. You just called yourself a retard. Shut the hell up yourself!
I’m just so happy that we finally have a Ministry of Truth (where you can report recieving emails that disagree with Big Brotha’s talking points).
Can the Ministries of Love and Peace be far behind?
Or better yet, for those of us who prefer Vonnegut to Orwell, the Department of the Handicapper-General.
*sigh* Okay. I’ll bite. WTF are you talking about???
You socialists want to compare Bush to Obama, but Bush never mentioned killing all of us when we get old. Obama doesn’t really compare to Hitler…He’s much worse. He wants to kill all 300 million of us when we get old.
YAY for solent green! I can’t wait for the beautiful ‘exit movie’ when my time comes.
So does God. Take some advice from your own handle.
Yeah, for real. Uh, don’t we ALL die when we get old anyway? I don’t think Obama invented that.
things Obama DID invent
1. Robot maids
2. The internet (sorry al gore)
3. Socialism
4. MURDER
No no no. Ted Kennedy invented murder.
no no he invented gettng away with MUUUUUURDER
That made me lol
I find it slightly worrying that people like you are allowed to vote. Can’t we have an IQ test first or something?
You are such a fvckwit. Can you prove this at all or do you just listen to whatever the voices tell you?
Why is it always the those with sub-par intelligence for a paperclip choose names like “Dont be an idiot” (which is missing an apostrophe Oy Vey!)
ok we wont be like you
51 million murdered babies since Roe v Wade and Obamolech thinks it’s OK. I think he’s another Robespierre.
And we think you’re another troll.
A spring troll!
A fried dumpster – er – dumpling.
link for primatevera
Assholes like you need to watch how you throw the words “murdered babies” around. You don’t have a clue what you’re really talking about. Your little loaded speech doesn’t mean what you think it does. Fvcktard.
Rando: The Inigo Montoya…. from Jersey!
From Jersey?? INCONCEIVABLE!!
I do not think that word means what you think it means, my friend.
What? Jersey? It’s the shirts people where when they play sports.
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Six million is the figure usually quoted for the number of Jews killed by the Nazis. It is a drastic underestimate of the total number of people killed, though. When homosexuals, blacks, gypsies, and other “undesirables” (as the Nazis deemed them) are included, the number is closer to ten or eleven million.
I do not mean this to diminish the importance of the killings of Jews — only to remind people that ALL victims of the Holocaust deserve to be remembered.
Woah, record comments. Can’t understand why, though, the caption is perfect and that’s all there is to it.
It’s the Reverse Godwin’s Law, coined by The Amazing Rando. Instead of Internet discussions ending up with a Hitler reference, posting a pic of Hitler will lead to an infinite number of different arguments, most of which aren’t related to Hitler.
Ice is NOT frozen water!!
Ice IS TOO frozen water!! And Obama wants to kill it! I saw it on obamamurdersbabiesandoldpeopleandiceblog!!!!
I made it to the end of the thread! What do I win?
a pony! it will be delievered in 4 seperate instalments
Oh good. Charro’s gonna teach me to make “mystery meat” tacos like she had in Mexico.
Mmm. Street vendor tacos. You never know what you’re gonna get! Yaaaayyy!!!!
-takes a bite- Mmmm tastes of hoffa
Soylent hoffa is green!!!!
after all these years i could expect him to be several shades of green
Needs chocolate jimmies.
Oh they’re delicious… With special avocado mmmm nom need to go back to Mexico.
Freaking 1270 comments, good lord!
Well 1271 now…
1315…1316
When it reaches 1500, sell.
SELL!!!
*banners & confetti fall*
Congratulations, charro! YOU are the 1500th post on this thread!!!
You don’t win anything. We blew our whole budget on health insurance. Sorry about that.
Isn’t that great how I did that?!
Wait, you mean I get to fill my prescriptions now?! WOOHOO!!!
As long as they’re not brand names. And I was very impressed that you nailed the 1500th post.
Laszd es doch amoi an Doifal in Ruha, da Doifal war doch a Guada!!!
What?
almost 1300 posts now on this pic.
Just because Hitler was way worse doesn’t mean you can’t draw some similarities. Outright dismissal of ALL comparisons to Stalin, Hitler, and various other dictators is dangerous because of the ever expanding presidential powers (those legal and those simply unchallenged).
They say those who do not study history are damned to repeat it. Well, how about those who study history and ignore the similarities of the present.
In short, please keep in mind that it is possible to draw comparisons without declaring the two people/items in question are exactly the same in every regard.
DOOMED. DOOMED to repeat it.
You fool! We’re all doomed to repeat it!
No you fool! We’re DOOOOOOMED!!!
WE’RE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT I SAID!
Are we doomed to repeat it?
YOU FOOLS! Can’t you see we’re all doooooomed?!!
How long have you been waiting to use that line?
I was doomed to say it. *shakes head sadly*
I’m a fool for being doomed, it’s true.
As, when, and if the President opts to either become President for life, or runs rigged elections resulting in him achieving a landslide every time, and repeals or otherwise sets aside the 22nd, then you will have a case for calling him a dictator.
Perhaps one of THE most true of all the pictures on this site.
…
What … like “not photoshopped”?
a thousand messages n no mention about 1.000.000+ “people” killed by US forces in Iraq.
maybe you all should get aborted before its too late.
Maybe you should learn to read.
Why did he put people in quotes? Does he doubt their humanity for some reason?
I so did think I’d add a comment about that too. It was … Interesting. And speshul.
“…but until they decided to kill 6,000,000+ people for having “inferior genes” let’s hold off on the name calling.”
6,000,000+? How about 1,000,000+ or maybe 100+?
Blah Blah Blah Bush Blah Blah Blah Obama Blah Blah BlahBlah
Hey! Someone left a perfectly good soap-box here!
Now what should I do with it….
has any one heard of incermentelism? they cant come out do somthing so horrible at first they learn from hitler that you first have to make the public numb before inflicking horrible acts apon them. if you steel the heart and soul of a nation it could then be easly folded and dominated with a socialistic/ dicktatorship.
“incermentelism” No, can’t say as I have. Webster’s apparently hasn’t either.
Can you tell us a little more about “inflicking” horrible acts upon someone? It sounds titillating, in a lizard sort of way.
BWAHAHAHAHHA incermentelism. It’s that thing.. With the thing.. Hey what’s that over there?!
Forgot to ask. Is a “dicktatorship” what we had under Nixon? He wanted Universal Health Coverage, you know.
Yes it is. First he steeled the heart of the nation. Unfortunately, it’s gotten a bit rusty over the years.
That must be why Bush went looking for oil in the Middle East. It all makes sense now.
Don’t change dicks in the middle of a screw, vote for Nixon in ’72!
Dicktators are fvcking delicious.
Anyone out there believe that from Ole Tricky DICK Nixon on there is not one presendent that has not been responsible for 6,000,000 murders. I cannot believe the majority of anyone reading this believes that the 50,000 or so pre-born children that are SLAUGHTERED in the womb, supposedly the safest pladce in the universe, is not the same HOLOCOST as Hitler caused. Get a grip anyone with a conscience. Murder is murder. Just like the line in ‘The day the earth Stool still” with Keanu Reeves, “This is Not your planet” We are just born here. I hope all blind and deaf people who thing that ABORTION is just fine with them, will hear the babies screaming screaming, screaming. Obama, he is just out of the closet with his baby killing ways. People make me sick. pocahantaschlid2
You fail.
Get back on you medication, you moron.
By the way, if you can’t spell Holocaust, you don’t have any right to comment on it.
Especially if you’re still obsessed with children’s stories.
Well, dang it, Igor, we can’t be killing all those people for FREE!
how come these peoples didnt come in here and cry like this when bush was allowing babies to be….MURDEREDDDDD…
no no, when ever a democrate gets in office, even if the law’s havent changed at all, its OH MY GOD HE MURDERS BABIES EVERY DAY..he has done nothing more or less then most people. infact he has had alot less time then bush, no one screams BUSH MURDERED MAH BABY WHEN AH GOT ME THAT THERE DONE ABORTION?
How many times does this have to be said? THE PRESIDENT DOESN’T FORCE PEOPLE TO GET ABORTIONS AND IS THEREFORE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEAD FETUSES, EMBRYOS AND ZYGOTES.
Also, moron, THE PRESIDENT CANNOT CHANGE THE LAW. Read a book for fukc’s sake.
That should read 50,000,000 American, not 50,000 lives
The numbers don’t really matter. Either way, you’re still batshit.
And of that number how many were forced by the President? Did you post similar garbage during bush’s reign? What did he do to stop abortions? Oh right, NOTHING!!
Geeze you effin palinites are so mentally deficient you should be baned from breeding altogether.
AMEN!!!
The next idiot who tries to make a single one of Obama’s ideas guilty by association to Hitler, you’re a f*cking idiot. I’m thinking the guy right below me will do, probably.
Obama is Hitler!
Bardolph Hitlama.
Hitlama? No way, dude. Llamas bite.
Llama llama cheesecake mushroom llama llama duck.
Did you realize that you can rearrange the letters in “Adoph Hitler” to spell Aphid Hell Rot?
“Hailed?” ROTFL!
*oops, I guess that should be rolling on the peonies laughing*
gak, eddie give me your coffee. I blame it all on the flu.
I can’t believe I misspelled Adolf.
Who, me?
Geez, Igor, I was just gonna agree with the original caption, but if you’re gonna be that way about it…
Seriously, Hitler is Hitler. I think people need to calm the hell down with the comparisons. It just weakens your position when you go all hyperbolic on us.
OBAMA IZ HITLER AND KILLZ BABYS!!!!
Bravo!
PRESIDENT Obama is a GOOD president, PERIOD! – Agreed as to “ALL presidents have different ideas or goals.”
Is the GOP PAYING people, out of work, to harangue town hall meetings? I am 76 and remember Hitler, (Schiklegruber, his REAL name.)
AM I MISSING SOMETHING WITH ALL THIS NAME CALLING?
It’s like conceptual art….either you get it or you don’t.
Great. Now I’ve got 1400 posts to sort through just to find the new ones. 1400!!!!!
It’s really not worth the effort, Amazing….I got sucked into it this afternoon.
Please, call me Rando. There’s only one person who can legitimately call me Amazing.
Right… There are two ways to do it – sift through them all or just ctrl-f your own name to see if you have any direct responses. (In a thread like this I go for the latter unless I am so bored the option is “sift through them all” or “scoop out your eyeballs with a fork to see how it feels”.)
Well, being that I wrote about 800 of the replies, that’s still gonna take a while. (BTW, I didn’t know you could even do that! Thanks for the tip, Danbala!)
In before over 9000 replies
For eight years it was fun, and even widely excepted for the left to label Bush as Hitler. Now that Obama is in the White House, it’s somehow become “wrong” to compare the president to Hitler….bunch of Hypocrites!
Wow. In 1400+ replies nobody even suggested that! You are the most original person to post here!! You win…NOTHING! ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! STUUUPIIIIDDDD!!!!!
I think a certificate is in order. One that reads, “I have no clue and can’t be bothered to read at least 1,000 comments that say exactly what I just said. I hereby agree to remove myself from the internet, thus removing a huge impediment on the information superhighway.”
Oh, but it’s so much more important when GRC says it! What does that stand for? Great Retarded Creep?
OBAMA IS HITLER!!!
take that GRC.
charro is no hypocrite.
SILENCE EWOK!
I’m sure obama’s favorite book is Mein Kampf.
I’m sure yours is The Potty Book. Don’t worry, someday you’ll learn to pee on your own!
Yeah, I bet it’s one of those big, confusing books on your daddy’s upper shelf that all look the same to you.
One day, maybe you’ll move past Green Eggs and Ham and get to one of those non-picture books.
I guess that would make American Nazi’s? I mean it was the German people that actually rounded up the Jews and killed them…..including Doctors that did horrific experiements to ‘prove’ the inferiority.
Think about it, Hitler was a politician, the people were more than willing to follow, his ideas were embraced by the masses as well as the upper classes and intellectuals at the time….this would include Henry Ford in the USA…Ford even wrote a book about the Jewish threat.
Spoken like a true Liberal – now that your guy is being called names, you come up with this “can’t we just all get along” Bush was called many things worse than Hitler, believe it or not
Honestly, people, if you’re gonna come in near the 1500 mark, can you at least say something slightly original? Like say, “I eat barbecued woodchucks for lunch every other Thursday!!!” That would be original.
As with Hitler, Obama shares many of the same qualities and talents. He is considered an excellent orator and a political organizer no doubt, despite Hitler’s use of those talents to further a program of genocide. However, as only time will tell about Obama, Hitler did not start out committing genocide, aggressive warfare, and other atrocities. He gradually used his talents and associations to further his Nazi-socialistic goals.
Obama shares NOTHING with hitler you idiot. he have never called for the death of anyone and hitler was a failure as a student. Pres.Obama is a magna cum laude graduate who at one time was a law professor.
You are a total and complete moron and your post utter nonsense. Now go twitter on over to palinland where such idiocy is embraced.
They only killed 6,000 Jews? Funny, I remember it being more than that for some reason.
6,000,000 what? Jews?
Why must it always be forgotten that a hell of a lot more peole died?
You people make me sick, you did not even mention Truman who killed over 350,000 men women and children all by himself.
World War II
Allied Powers
Military dead:
Over 16,000,000
Civilian dead:
Over 45,000,000
Total dead:
Over 61,000,000
Axis powers
Military dead:
Over 8,000,000
Civilian dead:
Over 4,000,000
Total dead:
Over 12,000,000
True, but they weren’t killed with the intention of “exterminating” their kind from the face of the planet.
Big moral distinction glaring you in the face you seem to have missed there, buddy…
Obama cannot be Hitler – and here is the proof:
Hitler could actually get through a 3 minute speech without the help of one single teleprompter.
Now if you want to compare Obama because he reminds you of the Anti-Christ and every time you look at him you think that the end of the world is nigh – then fine I can see your point
You americans are all obsessed by Hitler and probably you dont really know other dictator other than him
In fact Hitler was way better than you think…if he would have killed all the jews the current econmic cryisis would never have happend. The jews are ruling the world and you know it, each big bank or corporation has a jew in top and they rule us and they control our lives 
So….SIEG HEIL ! 
ALX
boohoo hoo. waahhhh….tears….
Grow up cry baby. Who cares who controls the banks. Go out in the world, grow a pair and grab your piece of the pie.
Great attitude you have – sit around and moan and say despicable things about other people cause you are too scared of your own shadow to go make your life better
Failure
Pot (anti-brain cells) met kettle (ALX)
So to morons walk into a bar, moron #1 is sputtering about the antichrist while moron #2 is crying about how the Jews control everything……wait thats not funny, it’s pathetic and stupid……
Except…Hitler didn’t just up and kill all of those people right off. People liked him. No, people loved him. They thought he was a genius (because essentially he was) and they trusted him. He did it slowly. He didn’t walk up to the stand and say “Hey I am going to kill all of you. Just so you know.” So it is important to look at early sign before it is too late to simply “name call”.
So true, just think how many US soldiers and Iraqi citizens would be alive today if you neocons had really examined the “early signs” and stopped the insanity….
It’s ironic and uncanny about todays news that our president is now planning on using his bully pulpit to push social change in America’s schools? Obama’s planned Sept. 8th address to public schools nationwide — and in conjunction with that speech, school teachers have been sent study packets and a letter from the Department of Education, complete with assignments and questions to ask their students.
Think this concept is new. Think again. This is nothing more than Obama following the same path as Hitler and other nazi-socialist ilks to lay the foundation for his administration to engage in outright indoctrination of our school children.
Consider this quote from der Führer:
“He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future.”
– Adolph Hitler
You better believe Obama understands this concept very well. 2010 and 2012 can not come soon enough.
B.S.
Paranoia strikes deep. Into your heart it will creep.
Seriously, though, if you’re right (and you’re not at all but I’ll humor you), then it won’t really matter what happens in 2010 or 2012. If Obama wanted to start the Fourth Reich (and he doesn’t), do you think he’d let a silly election oust him?
Yes, paranoia is deep, as it should be, given the extreme leftist shift between the campaign platform of presidential candidate Obama and now our most distinguished president Obama.
Consider these wise words:
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.”
-Edmund Burke
Tell you what. If Obama turns fascist and ruins our country, then I give you full permission to rub it in my face on our way to the death camps. In the meantime, I’ll continue to ridicule you as the fringe nutjob you are. Sound good? Excellent.
I’ll tell you this AmazingRando and others of your line of thinking, I will be the one defending you as they are dragging you to the death chambers.
Consider the words of one of our countrys great leaders:
“God grants liberty only to those who love it, and are always ready to guard and defend it.”
-Daniel Webster
If you are comfortable with the status-quo and agree like other sheeple with Obama’s extreme leftist policies, then there is no doubt in my mind that someone along the way will be defending you when you cry out for mercy.
Extreme left? I think that’s a matter of perspective.
Trip, I’ll defend Rando on the way to the chamber.
It’s all right, you can be off in a corner somewhere, listening to the voices.
uH-oH, you, mean, th, th, the voic, voices aren’t real.
I guess someone had to tell me, Thanks for being so kind.
No problem.
Sorry I don’t have time to derail your argument, but I’m just not in the mood to deal with it today.
By the way, we’re 32nd on the list of healthcare, well behind places with nationalized health care.
If we’re going to euthanize the old, how come the other countries with nationalized healthcare have such high life expectancy rates?
How exactly do you think mentioning Hitler’s actions validates your points? You’re using guilt by association to call Obama names- the fallacy in your logic is that you’re saying “___ is doing something, Hitler/Stalin did that thing too, therefore, Obama is headed down the same path as Hitler or Stalin.”
That’s not how life works, sorry. You can’t just pass off any similarity between them as a direct link to prove that they have the same intentions. It’s a phenomenon called Reductio Ad Hitlerum. It’s related to Godwin’s Law.
Look it up.
It’s also ironic and funny that Reagan and Bush SR. did pretty much the exact same thing during their administrations. Of course liberals were equally incensed over it at the time. However, I don’t remember anyone boycotting those speeches. That appears to be a new extreme. The script for the speech was released ahead of time and had a line or two people objected to. Given that the speech never suggested we should hail Obama or sacrifice ourselves to the glorious american empire, I’d call it somewhere far short of indoctrination.
Aremis
MWAH! *kisses OP*
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R. Murrow
“Go sell crazy somewhere else. We’re all stocked up here.”–Jack Nicholson, As Good As It Gets
Wow- that got some good responses and stupids reactions too.
Should we wait until “after” the people are killed before we make a stand? That’s what this huy was implying. So after Obama kills them we can call him names, I see.
The exact number of people murdered isn’t the issue, fact is history will repeat itself if people ignore the facts. Obama is the face of the new fascist order-fact. The elite party that control Obama are attacking the core of our freedom, economy and liberty. Should we wait until mandatory swine fu shots wipe out another 5,000,000 or 6,000,000 people?
How did Hitler get away with it? Yes, he did it and he got away with it . . . no one stopped him. At least not until ‘after” more than 6,000,000 people were murdered. That’s insanely ignorant.
Why not catch the mass murderers “before” they create another holocaust? Isn’t that the idea of free discourse and full disclosure? What’s with all the secrecy and censorship these days?
Frankly, we are in a holocaust right now . . . it just depends where you look . . . as we add up the victims of corporate war schemes, abortion and the hundreds of thousands of people KILLED by properly prescribed drugs each year . . . now just wait for your compulsory medicial programs and the body count will climb.
My two cents
wake up to the revolution.
Dear lord, where do these freaks of nature keep coming from????
Utah.
Click on the dude’s name and read his blog. Like right this second. It’s AWESOME.
OMG, you weren’t kidding. LMAO
Oooh! There’s poetry and everything!
Wow. This guy is a brand of crazy that hasn’t even been identified yet…….
Photoplankton crazy?
If he loves photoplankton so much, why doesn’t he just marry it?
LOLROFHMS!!
… ROFHMS?
Having Massive Seizure?
Rolling on (the) Floor, Holding My Sides. Way funnier than just LOL.
Oh, holding your sides. It was hard to guess.
I think I like “having massive seizure” better.
Wake up to a diet plan as well!
Wrong, lol you guyz are idiots.
You too!
Very True..name calling accomplishes nothing! We must unite if we are to survive!
Politics are stupid.
hmm, almost a good call…
does a grand total of about 1.5 million deaths for the Iraqi war count as anything…?
Ok we’ll compromise, Bush is mini-Hitler, and he can share the title with Cheney.
doood, hitler killed way more then 6mil for that reason,
people need to research for reals,
Its probably closer to 35mil so yeah…
Bus to Orly Taitz’ 9/8 – 8 AM Santa Ana, Calif, court hearing on Obama’ fraud, lies and tricking
Be there in force and protest Obama. Yell it like town hall.
Obama’s the Antichrist and this the Revelation and Apocalypse.
He frauded his ID to get the Potus post.
By lies he got the nuke bomb at his beck and call.
Nukes’re a grave matter he can blow up the planet in 1 second. High Treason.
FBI arrest him: try him; send him to Death Row. Life-prison for doing Treason to world’s highest post: Potus.
Geir, you must be a republican. Bush and Cheney committed treason, and nothing has been done to them?
Wow. You might just be the looniest person I’ve ever seen on here. And that is really saying something.
Watch these few clips and you might see that both parties are from the same backing.
Zeitgeist – The Movie: Federal Reserve
First
second
Third
Fourth
Fifth
Swine Flu videos
Obama is Hitler.
Amen to that.
it’s true or not
it’s true or not
Hey, Godwin’s Law!
Godwin’s Law only refers to inaccurate invocations of Hitler and specifically the increase in potential for the comparison as graphed over time in an internet thread. This is a valid discussion of Hitler, or at least a discussion of invalid uses of him. Actually, it’s pretty much a direct critique of the invocation of Godwin’s Law.
Aremis
In any event, this would be a deliberate attempt to invoke Godwin’s Law, and, as such, would also be a failed invokation, simply because Godwin’s law provides that mentioning Hitler purely to invoke Godwin’s Law does not invoke Godwin’s Law.
But Stalin killed 20 million of his own people…oh but he switched to our side….
If that’s the case, then George Washingon, the entire United States, AND Canadian Governments were Hitler..before Hitler even existed.
And they killed over 12,000,000 innocent people in a genocidal rage.
I love reading these comments. It is a shame the Internet wasn’t around back in the 1930′s as I am sure we could pull the logs and read these same comments over and over about how Hitler wasn’t bad and anyone who thinks he was must have been crazy. And then they woke up one day and said wow I never saw it coming that he would murder 6,000,000 people.
These same types of people today who keep saying if you disagree with me, us, Obama you are nuts.
You guys are as naive as it gets. I will bet you actually think it is OK to trust your government and that they definitely have your best interests in mind and would never enact any policies against the good of the common people.
‘Hope and Change” my left cheek. Obamanites beware, you have been duped. Hopefully one day you will mature enough to realize it.
So a conservative administration asks us to unquestioningly accept intrusions on our privacy, even when our elected representatives didn’t actually approve of it. They asked us to accept a war in a country that never attacked us and wasn’t guilty of the crimes we accused them of. They called us traitors to the country and unamerican because we weren’t willing to entrust those things to our government.
And Obama has done what? Offered up a plan that isn’t even close to as socialized as the systems in nearly every other industrialized nation in the world, even the ultra conservative ones? And there were far more eggregious things than social policies that should have been warning signs with Hitler. Hitler arrested, tortured and summarily executed the opposition (mostly liberals, actually). He publicly stripped minorities of their rights, which would be a rather odd sort of thing for a black man to do. He marched into neighboring countries and, once he had taken over, demanded that they deport their minorities as well. Even if we didn’t know about the Holocaust, Hitler did many things in plain view of the public that were clear signs of things to come. Obama has done none of these things, not even close. Hell, there were people protesting at his town halls with loaded weapons. Loaded weapons. Did you ever see any one of them arrested?
If we see another Kristallnacht, ghettos, thugs beating people at polling places, or forced deportations I’ll worry. Until then I agree with the poster, the Hitler comparisons are pretty ridiculous toward either side.
Aremis
Sounds like Pelosi should stop the comparisons as well, and quit calling citizens nazis.
Wait, what? YOu better be able to back that up because everything I have read says it is significantly less than that.
“No one called Bush Hitler, for starters. People didn’t like him, but it’s amazingly stupid to reference Bush here.”
You lived in a very different United States than I did for the past 8 years, then. I heard him compared to Hitler on a number of occasions, and his tactics were compared to Hitler’s actions frequently. Heck, my morning radio program still makes references to Nazi fascism in regards to Bush and even current republicans. I don’t agree with the strategy, but it was and is there.
“And for the record, 49,551,703 people have been killed in the United States by a political decision that Obama head-over-heels supports, more so than any other president the United States ever has, by a landslide.”
k…. which policy would that be? If you’re referencing abortion, we’ve already covered that. Republican administrations have thus far outranked Democrats in abortion counts. And while they claim to not support it, and even occasionally base a large part of their election platform on it, no piece of legislation has originated from the White House to try and stop it. In short, abortion hasn’t changed much since Roe v. Wade regardless of the stance the president takes on it. As such one might say Bush is equally complicit in his inaction.
Furthermore, Obama is hardly the originator of the Roe v. Wade decision, nor has he presided over a substantial enough portion of its tenure to attribute the whole of the count to only him.
And finally, Obama has time and time again said that he doesn’t support abortion as a common proctice, but sees circumventing Roe v. Wade as the incorrect option. It’s hardly a ‘head-over-heels’ support. It’s not like he ran on a platform of killing babies. Pro-Life/Pro-Choice was a miniscule portion of his platform, nearly non-existant. It sits lower on his agenda than it did on Bush’s and Bush didn’t do a thing about it either.
Aremis
Aremis; take a vote of conservatives for and against the US baby murder law and you’ll find the vast majority opposed. Then allow the conservatives to make the decision whether abortions stays or is outlawed and it would be outlawed within 24 hours. You know that,i know that and everyone knows that. It does’nt matter who’s prsident, what matters is that as long as liberals want abortion there will be abortion. Either you’re incredibly stupid or are just being a typical lib trying to pass the unpleasant reality of our institutionalized baby killing off on people other that libs……….
As a matter of clarification, it’s called Roe v. Wade, and it’s not a law, it’s a Supreme Court decision that set precedent for the lower courts. And I never said that conservatives don’t want to do away with it. I’m sure most do. Most cultural conservatives anyway.
But here’s the bit that I don’t seem to get. Conservatives have had two golden opportunities in the last few decades where they held the white house and both houses. They used it to push through a war and massive tax cuts democrats didn’t support among a host of other things. Furthermore, there are a number of democrat members of the house and senate who are Pro-Life (curiously they haven’t introduced anything either). So what, pray tell, is stopping them? No president since Roe v. Wade has ever introduced legislation to overturn it. No member of congress has made any serious attempts either. It’s one thing to lose the fight, it’s another to never have taken up arms to begin with.
They’ve pushed through some of the most controversial pieces of legislation in the last eight years past democrat opposition, largely because democrats suck at party unity. But somehow not one senator, not one representative, has mounted any kind of serious campaign to do anything about abortion, even though a good number of them owe their seats heavily to their stance on that issue alone.
The democrats are certainly the bulk of the Pro-Choice side of the debate, I won’t stand against you there. But you’d be equally misguided to believe there is a tide of conservatives in our government just itching to push the button on Roe v. Wade.
“Either you’re incredibly stupid or are just being a typical lib trying to pass the unpleasant reality of our institutionalized baby killing off on people other that libs……….”
Ahhh, the good old ad hominem. I let most logical fallacies slide because I come off, as I’m sure I am now, as an arrogant prick when I defend decent logical debate. But ad hominem is a particularly vile and useless method that I don’t let slide. I could have an IQ of 180 or 60 for all it matters to the debate. So unless my intelligence somehow actually relates to the topic of abortion, please leave it out of the discussion. You’re welcome to assume I’m an idiot, but try not to base your arguments off of it.
And for the guilt thing, generally pro-choicers, of which I am not one, don’t really feel guilt for their decision, so I’m not really sure why they’d want to redirect it to the opposition. The Vietnam issue I’m sure most dems would rather dump on conservative doorsteps, and they’d be wrong in that. But pro-choicers have no motive to redirect the blame for abortion because they don’t feel it’s something that requires blame. I’m defending the president against accusations of sole responsibility for mass murder, not trying to absolve myself of systemic guilt.
Aremis
As someone who has had their baby die, I find your post beyond offensive. And for the 1000th time, don’t go around using the words “baby killing” unless you know WTF you’re talking about. GTFOSTFUESADITOP.
Yeah, because Obama CAUSES all those abortions. Are you aware that Bush didn’t outlaw abortions, either? Just because he supports it doesn’t mean he is forcing people to do it, and if someone outlawed it, you MUST be aware that people will still do it anyway, right? Think marijuana.
People have been comparing Bush to Hitler for years now, and whether you’ve noticed it or not, it’s happened. Search the internet.
I’m not going to discuss whether fetuses qualify as living thing ad nauseum again, but Obama certainly isn’t saying “You must get abortions!” He’s saying “You can do it if you want to!”- An option I doubt Hitler bestowed the upon the Jews.
No one does marijuana, Tygor Old Bean.
You know I’d nail that bowl all night long.
(español)-Sí, seguro. Sólo el pueblo judío. Nadie dice NADA sobre los demás. Los judíos son siempre las víctimas.
(english)-Yes, sure. Only jewish people. Nobody say ANYTHING about the others. The jewish are always victims.
Oh, f*ck you. It’s been discussed REPEATEDLY above you that the Jews were the population with the most killed in the purpose of eradicating them from the face of the Earth.
The Jews had a genocide attempted against them, you idiot. Of COURSE they’re the victims of that situation..
Why are we back here? I thought we sold at 1500.
Absolutely, but they weren’t the only victims – homosexuals, communists, the disabled, gypsies… There were plenty of others murdered by the nazis.
Nobody disagrees with you here. The point was the we have already discussed the topic multiple times in this thread.
Aremis
you are all the most stupid f*cks….. if i was hitler id kill all of you for being so f*cking stupid. its a f*cking joke. do we really need to be all up in arms over stupid technicalities. this is actually the first time ive ever commented anything because everyone is being so f*cking stupid about if they apostrophed the right noun or if 6 million is the perfectly exact number of people killed, or if ‘your a dumb f*ck’ is spelled right(but wait i didnt know anything was spelled with a ‘*’). you have absolutely no lives other than to sit on the internet and moan and b*tch about everything you can. if u understand the acronym ‘GTFOSTFUESADITOP’, or any acronym more then 5 letters, you should grab the nearest pointy object and stab it repeatedly into your f*cking skull. All of your mothers should have had abortions. they would have been doing the human race a favor. Go do something productive with your insignificant pointless lives. stop commenting retarded pictures…
You know, when you’re talking to yourself and the voices in your head – you can just say it straight out. There is no need to post it on an internet forum. Just trying to save you some time and effort, because I CARE. No, really, I do.
apparently i wasnt talking to myself since you heard me. you could have posted that exact same thing to any single on the almost 1700 posts here and it would have the same meaning. i was here for 2 hours, while u were posting here for almost 2 weeks…..whos the loser…..
Umm, you. If anyone is posting for two weeks, they obviously get something out of it. Whether it’s good debate or a quick laugh, they spent 2 weeks doing something they enjoy. However, if you spent more than the few minutes it took for you to realize you don’t like this page, then you wasted almost 2 hours of your life. Loser.
Someone PLEASE explain to me why more
organized health care equals slaughtering millions of people.
REALLY.
no just thousands of primary care physicians who already have enough bullcrap to deal with from insurance companies and will now be flooded with new patients who can’t get in to see the doctor because they are on a 60 day waitlist.
sorry, that’s my rant. Health care for all would be great, but until we end the shortage of primary care physicians we’re only gonna add to the problem by giving everyone a universal package. And the emergency rooms will overflow with people who can’t wait for 60 days to get their diabetes checked out or get an antibiotic for their kids ear infection, which means they kid who busted his head open is sitting there bleeding all over his mom while they wait….
Also…who said that more organized healthcare equaled slaughtering people?! I think they mean his socialist tendencies but i’m not sure.
Also I didn’t take the time to read through a million comments above so if I repeated something, sorry.
doh!
kids = kid’s
they kid = the kid
…well, I guess when 6,000,000 seniors are refused treatment and left to die we can revisit this…
So right now every health insurance company in the nation has so-called ‘death panels’ to decide whether or not a treatment is worth the expense. And right now people like my father-in-law develop cancer which is determined to be genetic and are not only refused treatment for the cancer, but kicked off their insurance entirely. Hell, congress had to sneak a provision into the HIPAA bill to make it so pregnancy wouldn’t be considered a pre-existing condition.
Not to mention the tens of millions of Americans who are uninsured and the tens of millions more who’s insurance coverage is so limited and so expensive as to rendered essentially meaningless. Or the people who only have catastrophic care.
Boy, you’re right, this system is a lot better. I’m so glad we don’t have an evil government program looking after all of those people who are currently dying without any healthcare at all or dying despite health care they are already paying for. I’m sure they’re all happy to go to an early grave or be crippled or driven into poverty so they don’t have to have Uncle Sam in their lives.
As I said in an earlier post, every single criticism I’ve heard against the ‘public option’ aside from financial concerns is already true if not worse in our current private system. So I’ve never quite understood the point of the ‘death panel’ criticism or the ‘bureaucrat between you and your doctor’ garbage. I work for a health company that has an insurance division. A coporate bureaucrat stands between me and my doctor and has refused care to my wife for a jaw misalignment.
But here’s the difference. When I pay my insurance premiums every month, my company pockets a percentage of that and dumps another portion into marketing and management costs required to run a business. And on top of that, they aren’t public servants so they aren’t beholden to me in any way.
Final point. When such a huge portion of the country is already uninsured, even more have nearly useless plans, and still more are getting kicked off their insurance daily, aside from pulling out a shotgun and blowing gramma away the government couldn’t possibly make the situation worse.
The only valid argument here is a fiscal one and you’d be fooling yourself if you thought leaving over 10% of the country unusured was somehow financially better for the country.
Aremis
Someone might have mentioned this but to be just – you keep forgeting the more than 22 million Russians killed, 2 million Serbs and many many other victims of WW2… we shouldn’t be stuck in the past but are we really learning the right lessons in order not to go through similar ordeals of conflict and terror?
You’re right. You’re also right that we’ve covered it before, a few times in this thread. In a shorter thread, I’d tell you to read the freakin thread first, but this thing is huge so it’s understandable. The one funny note is that tons of numbers have been thrown out regarding how many victims are out there, but few posters have actually agreed on any one specific number for any one specific situation. It is pretty hard to do counts of people who are no longer with us, even with the heavy record-keeping the Nazis did.
There is a piece that was forgotten here. Mao’s Cultural Revolution and Great Leap Forward were unmitigated disasters that starved many Chinese to death. There’s some debate as to whether or not he was aware of the issue before it was too late given that the regional party heads were prone to inflating their food production estimates, but that didn’t exactly save any lives.
Aremis
bush is pretty close with iraq
Us stupid f****** americans already covered that at least a half dozen times in the thread above this including both near the top and in the post immediately before yours (so there’s no way if you had read any of it you’d have missed that fact). But then you in your infinite non-American wisdom already knew that, right?
Look, Americans are famous for their lack of understanding of historical context and in many cases the reputation is deserved. But it’s not a ubiquitous thing. Making such a blanket assumption would be totally excusable if no Americans had chimed in on the subject with a correction, but as I just stated, they have. So by continuing to follow a demonstrably false assumption in this case you prove yourself to be too lazy/dumb to actually notice that your hyper-judgmental theory is wrong or too damn stubborn to admit it.
Aremis
Oh, and if you’d read the actual caption you’d note that the author specified that the 6 million people were killed due to inferior genes. That limits it to mostly just the Jews and Roma. The soldiers and civilians killed as a result of WWII were not killed for that reason, nor were political dissidents (read anyone left of fascism), homosexuals, serbs, poles, or any number of other groups selectively persecuted by the Nazi regime. You could make the argument for the serbs/poles, but it’d be a stretch since generally they weren’t killed just because they were slavic. So in essence the creator of the image very smartly limited his scope strictly to those killed for their genetic inheritance, ie not members of any of the groups you mentioned.
My suggestion to you given my prior post and this one is that before whipping out the ‘dumb American’ charge you may want to appropriately represent whatever nationality you belong to by demonstrating that you are capable of reading and critical thought.
Aremis
jubito:
Actually, I don’t think you can contribute WW2 solely to Hitler – he wouldn’t even have been able to grasp that much power if the circumstances hadn’t been in his favour; the treaty of versailles as well as the half baked democracy in Germany were what made such a disaster possible. Who knows – if it hadn’t been Hitler, someone else might have started WW2 at some point to do something about Germany’s financial situation as well as the unrest and frustration among the population (the stab-in-the-back legend contributed to that)
That, and possibly also the reactions to his first attempts at re-establishing the german borders described in the old national hymn – harsher reactions from e.g. Britain might at least have hindered him a little at unleashing all out war. (You discuss these things without end in Germany >_>)
There’s certainly a body of opinion in the UK that says that the seeds of WW2 were sewn in the Treaty of Versailles, and that a less humiliating and more generous settlement might well have removed the economic imperatives for Germany to expand its borders, and even the political will to do so.
HAY GUISE I TINK WE DIVIDEDED BY ZERO KK
I guess the people in the lawless prisons such as guantanamo bay (theres roughly 60 other prisons which are like it) and the war in iraq as well as afghanistan, is just a bad call? Oh and the presidents aren´t the real decision makers. The last good and actual president the U.S.A had was Kennedy. U freaking Dumbass
actually it wuz 10,000,000+ but still ur rite
Couldn’t agree more. I would never refer to an American president in the same breath as the human cancer known as Hitler.
Interesting though, Viking fans are now calling for the end of Brett Favre critcisms.
I swear… Most of the political pics in the news section was made by a brainwashed government woshiping fool. If you’re going to attack people who dont worship the gov then atleast get it right. Bush tried to be like Hitler, Obama is going to be like Stalin. Stalin killed more people than Hitler. For a little bit of trivia… Bush, Obama, Stalin, and Hitler are all related by blood. They’re all part of the royal family.
BTW, read the Transfer Agreement and the 3 world wars letter by Albert Pike to understand why Hitler was given the orders to do what he did.
Way to NOT READ any of the ONE THOUSAND PLUS comments above on this two and a half month old LOL.
Do you really think that in that amount of time NO ONE said this EXACT SAME THING?!
*facepalm*
bitter..
but repeating the same thing over and over till it loses its point and just annoys people is fun!
The flag is Belgian. Einstein was a socialist. Tort reform will fix health care. The soldier is aiming the gun at the kids. There, we’re done. Can we get back in the car and return to the present, Doc?
MURDERER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
BITTER!
oɹɹɐɥɔ !!!!
You need a spanking.
only charro would dare the dangers of paddleing bitter troll’s might fine tush!-pounce hug and kiss all over-
Wait! I’m supposed to spank you! What are you.. Well ok. I could use a good spanking.
-crawls into her lap and sticks his tush out- no no spank away
*gets wiffle bat* Ready?
Am I too late for the spanking?
-puts on goggles and safty motorcycle hat- ready!
Never Janie. I can spank both of you. bitter, to the left, Janie to the right!
In response to the hoopla on the Ironically LOL, I felt the urge to bring this one to 1666 comments.
Braaaaaaaiiiiins!!!!
It’s aliiiiiiive!
I nearly didn’t believe the post notification when I got it. And now you’ve associated the comments with the sign of the devil….
Aw crap, I ruined it.
RUINED!!!!!!!!!!!! MURRRRRRRRRRRDERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!
Wait I said that just up there *points*
Hitler? Nah that freak was an original.
BUT when does it become too many deaths? 1 person? 2? 100? 1000?
Numbers are generally irrelevant. It’s the fact that there were deaths at all that is the issue here.
6 million huh?
Between Iraq and Afghanistan we must be getting close!
What are we up to now? 1665 now? I think by 2020 we’ll have 2000 posts on this one.
Damnit! We sold at 1500 too! What the hell?
Oh, also, I had two nebulous distinctions on this thread R-A-N-D-O; #1500 and #1666
Well, that’s the risk of selling. And you seem proud of your (1)666 post. LOL
Why wouldn’t I be proud of it?
Also.. Strangely.. I was actually post 1666 twice. But it looks like someone got moderated. *points down*
Hitler did not start killing right off compare ideologies and it should raise some alarms
Actually, what should really be raising alarms in this country is the fact that every president winds up being compared to Hitler, the Devil, etc., and yet none of them turn out to be THAT terrible my comparison. Yet, for some reason, the uneducated in this country still choose to express such hateful ideology rather than get an education.
It is a great point on one hand but there is another side. Read up on “corporatism”. Understand what that is. The other side is not right or left but passive or active. Sure we can all sit back and realize that calling presidents Hitler is stupid. The mistake is that both Bush and Obama favor corporatism. Think about it and you will come to see that Republican or Democrat there is no difference.
Amen! Nothing’s making me madder than saying that every president it Hitler, but I’m pretty sure that all of them wouldn’t even DREAM of killing 6,000,000 plus people for having ‘inferior genes’. Bravo!
How is it that whenever I read comments on any of this stuff it just ends up being a grammar or punctuation debate in the end?
Weird.
The tendency for any online conversation to drift toward grammar/spelling/punctuation debates is a well-understood phenomena. It has been going on since before the WWW, back when most online discussion was on BBS systems.
I wouldn’t be entirely surprised, given that the very first electronic communication, conducted by UCLA, failed after two characters, resulting in “lo” instead of “login”, I wouldn’t be surprised if the next transmission was “Check your spelling, dummy”. Or more accurately “CHEK UR SPELLING!!!!11!eleventy-one!!”
coincidentally, according to Godwin’s Law, the likely next message was probably “Hitler checked his spelling”.
“Six million Jews died in concentration camps, but six billion broiler chickens will die this year in slaughterhouses.” -Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA(People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals)
“If hooking a car battery up to a monkey’s brain will help find the cure for AIDS and save somebody’s life, I have two things to say… the red is positive and the black is negative.” -Nick DiPaolo
Epic troll wars, great/thought provoking comments, neo fascism, left facing pundits…
THIS is why I come here!
I might not like Bush, but damn it if I hated it when my friends compared him to Hitler. No one takes you seriously when you call a leader Hitler, it means that you have nothing intelligent to say, it ends up hurting your own argument. So stop comparing any leader to Hitler except those that actually DESERVE it like Pol Pot or Stalin.
Obama is a third rate leader, so he couldnt possibly be Hitler,
Touchy subject but I’ll put my own spoon into this soup too:
Governments have learned much from Adolf, actually killing a lot of people is very expensive job. It’s much cheaper to let them starve to death.
You can also save money by not giving welfare to those who have inferior genes i.e. are poor: The quality of genes is of course measured by dollars and nothing else.
It takes a little bit longer but it’s as effective as outright killing in the long run and that has been the government policy since Bush Sr.
I’d say 6 millions is an achieved goal already and counting continues. It _is_ a goal for governement, not an accident.
Win-win, Adolph style: Poor people are poor, what else proof you need for their inferiority? At least by republican standards.
Just like jews were inferior to Adolph because they were jews. Is there really any difference?
Motivation and frame of thinking is there and the end result is the same. Even the wars are the same.
Only some minor details are different, like opressed group and method of killing them.
with all due respect to whoeva posted this obama has neva been and will neva be hitler because he neva criticizes on peoples race and he did what he was suppose to do in school unlike hitler
WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! OBAMA HAS ACTUALLY DONE GOOD FOR THIS COUNTRY AND YOU GO ON DISSING HIM LIKE HES A CRIMINAL!!!!! YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY REPUBLICANS!!!!!!!!!!! NO OFFENSE MEANT BUT YOU SHOULD WATCH WHAT YOU POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So because people don’t like Obama they should “watch what they post”? And you say that people who don’t like him are “obviously Republican.” (as if that were an insult, also you’re stereotyping) Who’s the one who needs to watch what they post? Also, our economy, our national debt, and unemployment is the worst ever since the Great Depression thanks to Obama. And don’t get me started on what Obamacare is going to do to our drowning economy. By the way, putting up your posts in all capitals accompanied by twenty exclamation points after each sentence does nothing to strengthen your point. It makes you look like a 12-yr old with no control over your emotions.
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i love how 90% of the comments got completely off topic and calling someone hitler is the absolute worst insult
Although I agree with the statement, I find it more than a little disturbing that it was considered perfectly OK to call Bush and other Republicans “Hitler”, but now that Obama is in the hot seat, suddenly the name-calling is unacceptable.
Possibly because Hitler was right wing. If you’re going to insult with extreme hyperbole, at least get it right! He’s Mao!
Sheesh.
Probably should have read the 1600+ comments.. we already went through this. Like 2 years ago.
I was reading the same thing in his rant. But had decided not to respond, due to the rest of the ranting…
No shit asshole…if you actually read what I posted or 95% of the other comments on this feed you would realize that I’m talking about Obama…The one all you radical tree hugging hipocrites claim to be your savior, the one who’s gonna save America from all the injustices done by the ‘evil’ bush administration. There’s a reason that this ass-clowns approval rating is already down below 50% after 7 months.
Yes… Somehow a nonsense response seemed to be the only thing that made sense here.
Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed. But Hugh, tell us how you really feel, we can’t tell.
Seek medication.
Try reading the book yourself asshole…Romans 1:26-32…Prime example of God hating and discrimintaing against people. Pay close attention to the part where he says people who give in to homosexual urges deserve nothing but death…Don’t lecture me on my holy book you uneducated douche nozzle.
26For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Though they know God’s decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
Dude I have no idea how you keep yelling random words like that. I would have passed out.
“Yes, I’m having trouble controlling THE VOLUME OF MY VOICE!”
Hey, we got a whole lot of new froth for those lattes, anyone want some?
My, my, a little testy, aren’t we. Try some bran flakes, they”ll help clean up your insides. Maybe sitting on the throne for awhile will help you reflect upon your self-esteem issues. Or are you expecting God to retire and leave you the job?
HugeG, why do you and your fellow members of the Westboro Baptist Church pretend to be Christians? Your handle must represent what you’re unable to achieve and the source of your bitterness.
God hates their actions, not them as a people. Saying God personally hates someone is completely overriding the fact that He’s merciful. I think you just need to watch your wording a bit.
I’d think it’d be quite obvious that everyone realise who you’re ranting about, yes.
You were talking about President Obama? Sorry, I thought you were talking about yourself.
whargarbl?
Not being a supporter of Obama, I would suspect one of the reasons his approval rating is down is because we Americans have evolved to the point where we expect instantaneous fixes for every problem. The truth is, with everything that has happened in the last two years, I wouldn’t expect any significant changes for at least another 12 months. In my opion, as a voting Republican, I’m still giving him the benefit of the doubt and another 12 months before I make any further judgements regarding the change he wants to implement. If you don’t agree with what Obama is doing, then voicing your opinion is certainly welcome. I don’t think calling the majority of the people here radical tree hugging hypocrits is going to validate your opinion though.
You’re not a very nice person, and I don’t like you. Take that, meanie.
Oh, you HAVE feelings? Let me know when they show up, or better yet look them up in your little book that you try to use as a club, unsuccessfully.
Do us all a favor. Stop pretending to be Christian. You are the reason people hate us now, ass maggot.
You are the very reason the internet depresses me.
Your entire body is like a microcosm of stupid. It’s truly incredible, how much stupid your body can physically contain. It’s a scientific impossibility.
Hopefully your IQ will drop below 10 at some point today, then your brain won’t remember to breathe.
Oh the blinding light
Give in, surrender, don’t fight
It will sting, it will bite
But it shall feel terribly right and divinely wrong
Let the mermaids gasp for air
The women feeling like they are drowning in the moment
Let it spray
Bid you pray
Seize the day until it screams
Your body beams
And the mind creams
Be brilliant, be morose, be whatever the Wang bids of you
Wrack your brain, feel the pain
Drink the joy and be the toy
Know that the Godwin Law has been brought full circle
Jerked within the thread, within you, all over you.
Bliss, reminisce, kiss, twist it all out
No need to pout
Or let the tears spout
Just always remember the Wang Rule to Tout.
Oh, rich people carrying the rest of us on their backs. Now, that’s good! How do you think they got rich? On the backs of working people, that’s how.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
OH WOW! Please, I have asthma, don’t make me laugh like that again!
Health isn’t important? Really?
Yeah, you have. You haven’t covered any of the actual homework you’ve done in depth. I don’t have any problem with you speaking and talking rationally at a town hall, but if you’re saying “I spoke up by shouting down the opposition with HEAR MY VOICE HEAR MY VOICE!” Then you’re a f*cking tool.
And that, my friends, is why he’s my favorite *beat* poet.
*bows* Spank you, Spank you.
you are most weltcome.
Bites and Bruises, Ruffled clothes and Flirty ruses
Flattery will get you everywhere, nowhere, somewhere, and over there.
A punny lass, a bonny ass, laid out with class
Over and under, flesh to plunder, wills to sunder
Give some hope, bound in rope
Watch you purr your way down a slippery slope
As always, dear pittypat, very punny.
Who said he was the messiah?
Do you have a cardboard Bush that I can pray to?
(I only hear this messiah claim from the righties)
Much anger I sense in you. The dark side you have joined. Racist comments you make. My ass you should kiss.
What I don’t get is how Republicans can say that Obama is ruining our country when uninsured people reached its highest during the Bush administration, when Bush started a war that never should have been started in the first place and then proceeded to send our soldiers off to war to die and also the fact that he could have done so much more to better the country but he ruined it. Obama is trying to repair what damage Bush did to our country and if you don’t remember, Bush was in office when the Recession hit, ergo, Bush is partially to blame for how our country is today. And as for those pork barrel projects, those can go towards a variety of much needed projects providing much needed jobs.
Them thar “liberal assholes” it seems.
Stinky.
Now with 50% more garbl.
What is wrong with tree-hugging? OK, aside from the carpenter ants crawling down one’s arms.
*does whicky spider dance to shake the ants off*
Can we substitute tree-hugging for Eds-hugging? Cause Eds is pretty much teh awesome.
Been catching up on your Marx, I see. The economy is a two-way street.
bitter troll approves of edd hugging…commer you!-hugs edd- mmmmsmooshy
I love teh hugz!!! Bring ‘em on..
A two-way street? Pfft. Maybe with a big median between the lanes.
I worked my way up from nothing to a state of extreme poverty.
Oh you meant *Karl* Marx? Never mind.
My Lonely Heart will be Right Here Waiting. Hold on to the Nights, while I emit a Silent Scream.
Oh, NOT Richard Marx? My bads.
I am not a crook.
Oh, Richard *Marx*? Oops.
And 75% more whar for that extra kick!
ROTFLMAO
Nixon sure stole a lot of bases during his career.
Oh, NOT Otis Nixon? Yikes.
I used to masturbate to a busboy who was rude to me once. What do you think that means?
Oh dear, you weren’t talking about *Cynthia* Nixon, were you?
I thought only he without sin could cast the first Prius.
YOUR UTERUS IS A MURDERER! AND A RACIST! THAT BABY WAS BLACK, WASN’T IT?!?!?!?
and sexist! it was gonna be a girl! and it does this every month???? YOUR UTERUS IS A SERIEL KILLER!
Why dear god… did that premise give me an Idea for a CSI spinoff?
I’M A RACIST!!! I’M GONNA CRY!!!
I am sorry A-Bomb, but the liberal left “we’re going to fix you” mentality would blame the one who let them have the ice cream that caused the diabetes. Or, the heaters that cause cancer, or the trans fats that cause obesity. That being said, my die hard republican grandfather used to say that the government has no right to be in your bedroom or your body. And I agree with him.
Uhm.
Yeah.
Alright.
Let’s go with that “We’re going to fix you” mentality, we could use it to reverse that lobotomy.
I think Cynthia totally got screwed in the whole John & Yoko thing. Wait, were we talking about Cynthia *Lennon*?
You were the unlucky one. We used to own a Rabbit that lived forever. Well, not really forever. It’s gone now, but it lasted a long time.
Aw! Com’ere, you big palooka!
*hugs ed*
And to lighten the mood, yet more Badgers.
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