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“For the healthcare, the schools, and the longevity, and the music of Europe!”
Mrs. Liberty…. take me with you….
I’ll buy your ticket. When are you leaving?
I’ll pay for half.
but he is socialist, should it not be goverment to pay for it
Same thing…
That won’t help, guys, he can still get on the Internet in France.
Yeah, but it would have hairy armpits.
and it would be all in that fancy smancy frenchie talk, he would not be able to understand bitter troll
*le snerk*
How about we send Congress off to France…For ever?
Then the French would get so mad that they would rally, attack us, and finally win a war.
congress already has free medical care
no, let us send congress to the MOON
One of these days, Congress, one of these days. POW, right in the kisser.
You’re the fat guy strangler?!?
Indeed, but I don’t think the French want our Congress. Goodness, they are Americans, and *WE* don’t even want them! All they do is bicker and fight to the detriment of the populace (kind of like the Middle East).
In my lowly opinion, however, we’d be better off if “mainstream” news organizations didn’t exist. Nothing eggs on the posturing and half-truths (ex: “OMG!!11! Lyk3 0b4m4 1z g0nn4 k1ll al teh 0ld peeps!1!!”) more than actually listening to the whinners and treating them like they are saying something worthwhile. If we all laughed at them and treated them like illogical, contentious, marginally moral (I’m being generous) people, they wouldn’t take up air time pontificating and fear-mongering. If no one was stupid enough to buy into their rantings, they would eventually stop trying to pass off bull on the American people.
~Quag
What is a Quagthistle?
…and does it say “Giggity?”
It’s a thistle, so I’m sure it says “giggity giggity OUCH. Awright.”
I LOL’d.
Not if there’s a certain amount of engine trouble…
Can you buy me a ticket too? I’ll be more than happy to fight with you about my ebil libruhl ways if that sweetens the deal.
NO CHARRO STAYS-grabs up charro and carries her off under his bridge=
*is carried away*
C’est la vie.
-does fun and bad things to poor charro under the bridge- see some frenchie frog do THIS
*is covered in maple syrup and welts*
I love you bitter troll.
bitter troll loves his charro too- covered in feathers and wearing a bill clinton mask-
*is led by dog leash to basement of bridge*
Ooh, are you going to put me on the rack?
-is dressed like french maid holding a paddle- bitter troll thinks wall shackles today
*is shackled* What is the midget for?
Safety reasons. Bitter’s plans for the evening actually have a 35% mortality rate. Be prepared.
Wow that’s a much lower percentage than normal.
No, I meant for you, not the innocent bystanders.
the danger makes it fun, now let bitter troll get these electric eels…
So did I Rando Old Bean. So did I.
Oh.
Well that’s different then.
Have fun.
~Watches troll and charro in action. Is pretty sure the Frenchies *invented* some of what they are doing….~
democracy, existentialism, and the blow job
HEY! dr phyco! this PPV!!
cough up some dough!
Those are three pretty good things. But America invented Chinese Food.
I like really thin pancakes
and fortune cookies.
I had a boss once tell me that you just can’t get a good fortune cookie in China.
Sage wisdom from our leaders. I cower in awe.
Yeah. F— that Socialist bullsh– like public schools, and social security, and medicare (which most of these commentators are probably on), and public libraries, and the FDIC, and unions, and so on. Where the heck were you guys hootin’ and hollering when Kenoyer or Hollis were running for president?
I believe in the right to LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Life, meaning, you shouldn’t have to die because you can’t afford to live in this country (and yes, as a “liberal” I am against abortion).
Most of which are failing or soon will. Maybe we need to look again at some of those institutions? Maybe there’s a better way?
A better way? Like what?!
A better way like privatizing the school systems and social security, deregulating a great deal of the medical industry, cutting the federal budget in half, drastically revamping welfare, instituting tort changes in the realm of malpractice cases, and perhaps instituting term limits on Congress so we can get those morons out of office.
Not that any of things are likely to happen, but would sure be a step in the right direction.
Oh right. So then poor people get no school, can’t afford birth control, have more kids than smart people, and we end up like Idiocracy. Nice move, dick.
Why wouldn’t they be able to afford it? It should be completely affordable to people who work, not like it is now because the government has their meat hooks in it and there is no competition.
“Hmmm, should I send the kids to school or feed them? Decisions, decisions, decisions…”
Send them to school and let them bully some other kid and steal their lunch. It’s a win-win situation.
Those will be vital skills someday in the corporate world. They’re moving up the ladder already!
It’s what we like to refer to as “home training.” Train ‘em young so you can boot ‘em out soon as they’re legal.
Are you out of your goddamned mind? If it weren’t for public schooling, there’s no chance they’d go to school. ANY cost of school would be too much for many kids, and not just the poor. With my family’s current budget, I can’t imagine how we’d squeeze money for school into there. Fvcking ridiculous idea is what it is. That kind of attitude SERIOUSLY pisses me off.
Stop feeding them then. They don’t need to eat.
I tried that. They kept whining about being hungry. Whiners.
poor people dont need edukations, if they get that then they might get jobs and stop being so poor. then what happened to all the poor people? and who will do the work the rich would rather pay someone to do then do themselves? ITS MADDNESS
Did you give them cheese to go with the whine?
Yeah, I gave them cheese, and they stopped whining. It was like magic! This parenting stuff is easy.
Say, I had a wheel of cheese and a bottle of sleeping pills here awhile ago. Has anyone seen them?
O_O
OMG…
nah, just kidding. I gave the kids the cheese. I took all the sleZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Ever hear of school vouchers. It’s where I pay my taxes and parents get to choose where they educate their where they choose. Instead of the crappy system we have now. I would be a lot happier paying my school taxes.
You pay taxes right? News flash…public school is not free. In fact, those without kids pay for it also. I don’t think anyone is suggesting that everyone should pay $10,000 a year to school their kids in a private school. I think some sort of voucher system could be instituted and the portion of taxes that you pay now for public school could be moved to the school in which your children are going to. Yes there would still be expensive private schools but there would also be more affordable private schools, much like colleges.
Vouchers mean schools are set up in rich neighbourhoods. Nobody wants to run the school for the poor kids. End result is there are no schools where they are needed most.
i thought i read that voucher systems where implements generally had a good turnout. although, deregulating the health care industry sounds like madness – i mean anyone who suggests that apparently hasn’t been watching the news or been aware of the hell is going on in the us lately.. but removing public schools altogether is a bad idea as well. and yeah, it’s paid for by taxes, but depending on how much you make most of or all of your taxes are refunded so the lower class end up getting the money the need back and their children go to school with the help of the system and others in their community who help them. it’s a good system in that it allows those who’d otherwise get no education get something. the whole idea of only private schools is really just a step away from segregating the classes – look back and see how well that worked out in france…
I don’t so how this is actually an improvement.
Is this a way for people who don’t have kids in school to get out of paying taxes to fund schools? That’s what it sounds like to me.
Privatized education would mean that schools would have to *gasp* compete for students. This would end up with a better quality of education (since parents would pull their students from school with poor educational standards and bad teachers) and inexpensive education (since schools could not afford to have high tuition, because they would price themselves out of the market). The end result is a better caliber of education for children.
I love it when people try to defend public education by using the “think of the children” type of emotional appeals.
We’ve been “thinking of the children”ever since the federal government took control of education, instituting the horrendous Department of Education, and have thrown millions upon millions of dollars in to the public school systems. What has it gotten us? Nothing but increasingly poorer education for our children and increasingly more powerful teachers’ unions who would rather look out for the own jobs than care about teaching children.
Think about that, Dick.
I’m pretty sure his name’s Clint and not Dick.
Where is Jane?
Probably in the Vladurday LOL…oh, wait, I get it.
So taking the option of schooling from the poor/middle class is your solution? How the hell are families on a budget supposed to find a way to squeeze school tuition in there too? Our public education may not be spectacular by any stretch, but it certainly beats NO EDUCATION AT ALL. Honestly, how do you sleep at night with ideas like that?
Well, since our healthcare is about to be government mandated and paid for, I suppose we can take the money we were spending on that and apply it toward private school….
HOnestly, the right wing side of my brain agrees with the ideas of competing private schools, I’m just not sure how to pull it off without screwing the poorer of our people.
Bring back child labor?
oh and slaves…but not based off color..lets base it off wealth this time. if you poor, you slave!
It’s because you can’t, unless you gave all the poor grants and scholarships, and at that point you might as well just keep the public schools we already have. Private schools competing would still only work out well for the rich anyway. Middle and lower class kids would still end up going to the cheaper schools while the rich would still end up going to the good schools. Nothing would change except middle class people would be paying tuition for pretty much the same thing they have now.
If people had any kind of built-in morality, it would work. But some businesspeople would sell their own family’s organs if they could get away with it. People cannot be trusted to run schools as a business fairly. They’d just cater to the largest groups’ interests and leave everyone else in the cold.
Those evil capitali$t$!
Did your Starbucks manager touch you in a bad place? Here, show us on this finger puppet of Hegel where the bad man touched you.
Learning isn’t about money, it’s about accumulating knowledge and you have to have the desire to learn. Tossing more money to the schools has obviously not helped much. A poor person in India is better educated than a rich person in the US many many times.
When in the last 10 years has the government increased the school budgets? They’ve done nothing but cut them since even the Clinton years! Don’t get pissed at the teachers or the schools themselves, get pissed at the government for bleeding them dry! I have nothing against capitalism, I just don’t trust business-types running public necessities. Honestly, my mother is a school teacher in a public school, and she has indicated that the current problems are lack of funding, a weak and useless teacher’s union, school boards run by people with business degrees that work against the union, and judging schools’ effectiveness based primarily on test scores. Don’t you see the connection? The more public schools are run like businesses, the more problems they encounter!
I don’t think it’s a matter of businesspeople turning schools into a corrupt industry (like, say, health care). I really do think it’s still more of a case the rich still getting the good schooling while the middle class and the poor get crappy schools that suddenly they’d have to pay tuition for. And n00bs, if a rich person isn’t as educated as a poor Indian, then he wasn’t paying attention at they pricey private school because they ARE good. That’s why people pay out the ass for them.
I *am* aware that just throwing money at schools doesn’t always work. Very often school boards and schools themselves are poorly run and don’t take advantage of the resources given to them. Often times it really is a case of schools not getting enough money to run properly. If a school is doing poorly, you can’t take their funding and expect them to improve. That’s utter nonsense. Anyway, I don’t have the final answer on this one either, and I don’t think anyone does, but privatizing schools is NOT the answer.
When in the last ten years have property taxes gone down? No, I don’t buy it — education spending has only gone up, at least as fast as the general rate of government spending.
No1, you obviously come at this with an anti-business bias, but shadowy MBAs aren’t the primary culprit here. That blame gets laid nearly entirely at the feet of the teachers’ unions and the culture of incompetence they’ve managed to create. Regardless of how the organization’s run, if you can’t reward high performance and punish low performance, the result is going to suck.
Bottom line — privatization only makes sense if we’re satisfied with the result, but unhappy with the cost. We’re all basically unsatisfied with the results of government-run education, but okay with the cost. Replacing the school board with guys in nicer suits isn’t going to fix the problem, no more than replacing the management of GM is going to make the UAW play nice.
The national budget for education has only gone down for years! What do property taxes have to do with education spending?! I have nothing against businesses, they keep this weird senseless world running properly; my problem is with applying capitalist business ideology to essential services. Capitalism works fine and well for things we don’t need to have to survive, but when the two schools mix it causes nothing but problems. Why do you think the government uses state-approved monopolies to supply us with things like water, natural gas, and electricity? It’s because conventional business principals will always leave some people put in the cold, and that cannot be allowed. Look what happened when the California state government loosened restrictions on California Edison! Suddenly there was an “energy shortage” that resulted in skyrocketing electricity prices and rolling blackouts. The winters are cold in Northtern California, and suddenly these people had no electricity to keep their house temperatures above freezing, or they simply couldn’t afford it. People DIED! Guess what? The whole goddamn thing was MANUFACTURED TO BOOST PROFITS! THAT’S what happens when essential services aren’t kept under intense government supervision. Do you really think turning education into just another business would be a good thing?!
Education is primarily funded at the local level, and those funds usually are collected as property taxes. In many communities, especially the suburbs, education is the largest government function, and so property taxes are nearly totally dedicated to it.
On another thread a few months back, I recall seeing a chart backing up the claim that total education spending, across all levels of government, roughly equals federal defense spending; the trend started a number of years in the past.
What’s with this irrelevant “capitali$$$m ate my baby” argument? I said I *did not* support blindly privatizing schools! Did you miss that part? In fact, I laid out — pretty clearly, I think — the organization I think is responsible, and it’s not the system of management.
Hmmm, I guess that makes sense, I just never put the two together. My primary point is that businesses aren’t interested in the public good, only their own. Making schools into a business will simply delude the educational system. The schools would be more interested in pleasing parents than actually educating the students. Competition can only do so much for essential services like this. As I’ve said before, I’ve never seen any difference between the results of private education beyond the fact that private schools can get away with telling their students that global warming isn’t real, or what have you. In my area all the private schools are propaganda institutions. There’s too much potential for abuse by private individuals. Our current education system isn’t perfect, but it still does its job adequately doesn’t it? It’s worked out fine in the past, it just needs to be fixed. There’s no need to risk privatizing it as long as it isn’t completely busted.
We have privatized competing business-style schools in this country, and the only problem with them right now is that there are so many cronies in government that they are allowed to raise tuition to ungodly levels. Colleges. It’s the one place I actually agree with regulation on a small-scale level, because the way that they raise tuition every year is just silly.
But on the business-style side of it, yes there are some prohibitive schools, but there are also community colleges all the way up to ivy league where good and bad teachers are dispersed pretty well.
No1, sorry, I’m not interested in getting pulled back into the old “is capitalism evil?” discussion. Education is interesting enough all by itself.
It’s interesting, Froo — sticker prices are out of control, but practically no one pays it. Coincidentally, I just looked up my old school’s stats the other day, because my boss was freaking out about paying for his kids’ educations. To wit:
Tuition, room and board, and expenses are currently $45k/yr. However, the vast majority of students (70%+) are on financial aid, mostly in the form of grants. Students with family incomes under $100k don’t even have to take out student loans. For those families on financial aid, the effective price is more like $10k/yr — a lot closer to state school money.
There’s some parallel to health care in there — crazy sticker prices, but someone else pays most of it…
I’m not saying capitalism is evil. I don’t think anything is evil. I just don’t think capitalism works well for all things. That’s all. I’m not trying to start an argument, I’m just explaining my previously stated views.
I sleep quite fine, thank you. I sleep well knowing that a privatized school system is one of the only options left to fix the horrendous mess that our public schools have become. I would love to see how you think this “only would work for the rich.” Apparently you missed my comment about schools having to keep tuition down or they would risk pricing themselves out of the market. This would not stop municipalities and/or states from subsidizing the schools (meaning HELP the schools financially, but not OWN the schools).
The free market is the only true regulator of quality. Good businesses prosper, bad ones fail. This would be the same for schools.
You are delusional beyond belief. Really, have you ever even spoken to a public school teacher (well, a sane one)? The problem isn’t lazy teachers, it’s lack of funding and quasi-competition that’s killing education! My mother’s a teacher, I would know!
Funding? You mean like places where they spend $10,000 a year on students? The same places where failure is the worst?
Oh, your MOTHER is a teacher? Well, gee, let me bow down to your unlimited expertise!
Get over it. I don’t care if your mother is a teacher. I never attacked teachers, nor did I blame them. I am attacking and blaming teacher’s UNIONS for some of the problems. I am also blaming poor educational standards instituted by the Department of Education.
You claim there is a lack of funding? “[The Department of Education] currently administers a budget of $62.6 billion in regular FY 2009 discretionary appropriations and $96.8 billion in discretionary funding provided under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.” http://www.ed.gov/about/overview/budget/index.html
You are trying to tell me that $159.4 BILLION is a “lack of funding?” Are you really going to make that argument?
Teachers unions are, in part, killing the education of this country. The unions are more concerned with padding their numbers and protecting their own than with raising the educational standards and expectations of this country.
You think $10,000 is enough to fund a whole school? They need computers, matinence, staff, teachers, electricity, supplies, etc. This stuff isn’t cheap!
P.S. I am well aware that I may have misunderstood your post.
Excuse me. Per student.
Per student!? That’s beyond wasteful! However, parents love a school that babies their children. It’s another business-esque ploy to encourage enrollment through transfers. Schools get paid by the student, not how well they educate them, so if they spend the money on drumming up “customers” they make more money than they would by educating the students they DO have well. It all ties back to schools being run like businesses. Education for profit is counter-active.
Those are public schools, and funny, I thought you were saying earlier the problem was that not enough money was being spent on students. You simply come across as “my way or you are wrong.”
If they’re spending $10,000 per student, I want to know where the money is going when teachers are having to buy so much of their supplies themselves and parents are having to purchase vast quantities of classroom supplies as well. Someone find out where the money is going and get back to me. And I’m sure that’s not for every school district. Without any context, we don’t know if that amount is for a hella good district, or a piss poor one that couldn’t manage a lemonade stand.
Radno, off the top of my head, I don’t remember if that one was NJ or NY, but it was one of them. And I do recall that it was one of the lowest testing in the nation, with dropout rates that would scare you.
I would figure that a lot of that money is going to high level admins, the ceo of the education world. Overpaid, that is.
Then I would agree that such a school is clearly very poorly run. I also don’t think that a lot of schools get the funding they truly need. Some do, others don’t. I went to school in an awesome school district. My wife didn’t, and if she hadn’t gotten out of there, she would never have gone anywhere in her life. Quality of school can destroy a smart kid.
And to CR, $159.4 billion sounds like a lot of money, except we drop a lot more than that trying to find new and exciting ways to blow people up. Yeah, it’s a hippie liberal thing to say. Bite me, douchebag.
No, my argument is that the schools are already to beginning to be run by people with business degrees and that they are underfunded. Primarily because of people who want to privatize education. If you cripple the public system, you can point out how awful it is compared to private institutions. That’s how these people work. They don’t care about providing education, it’s all about economic principles! Don’t fall for their lies!
“The free market is the only true regulator of quality.”
That’s assuming that companies of any industry play by the rules and act fairly, which is of course COMPLETE NONSENSE. I think it’s frightening the way people look at our current state of capitalism with rose-colored glasses as if businesses are ethical beings acting in everyone’s self-interests.
And again…for the poor and middle class, ANY TUITION is too much tuition. I’m living paycheck to paycheck. Where the hell would I find money to pay for my kids’ schools? Keeping tuition down is NOT a solution. You are living in a dream world, bub.
If by “dream world” you mean “a world in which we desire to get the government’s corrupt hands out of industries they have no business running, have never shown the ability TO run, and have done nothing more than screw generations of children out of a proper education”, then yes, I do live in a dream world.
You are running under an assumption that tuition would either A) be high, B) not subsidized by local municipalities, C) purely out of pocket and not helped through grants and scholarships, and D) not be competitively driven by market forces.
If you think the government can run education successfully, then you are the one truly living in a dream world. They haven’t done it yet, so why should we continue to let them try?
The government doesn’t always ruin things. Besides, if you don’t like what your representatives are doing you can just vote them out…
Subsidized by local municipalities. And who are the municipalities going to subsidize? Good, expensive schools or the cheap schools? Just because a school is private doesn’t mean it’s going to be good. What makes you think quality private schools are going to be affordable? Things that are necessities are easy to keep expensive. Health care, oil prices, electricity. If we add schooling to that, then the “free market” isn’t going to keep prices down. If that were the case, college tuition would be much lower. And as for grants and scholarships, do you actually believe there will be enough to go around? This is nothing more than a half-baked plan that will screw over the poor and middle class, as usual.
your blissfully ignorant and wonderfully naive view of economic principals brings a tear to my eye, if only i could live in a world so simple as to let market forces be market forces and hope the world sorts itself out.
unfortunately, we have been going through this economic crisis because Mr. Adam Smiths “invisible hand” isn’t quite so “deft” as we thought it was.
North America needs to build it’s industry off of high tech businesses, we are beyond production and natural resources (evident by the way they have been failing) and the only way we will be able to survive is to switch to high tech and value added products. now we can’t really do that if most of the continent can’t afford school.
also, i seem to remember having a privatized system of education similar to what you speak of, if i remember clearly i was accepted into it at the age of 18 and had to pay an enormous amount of money for a high quality of education and designations.
Look, I understand that you get your jollies from preening and posturing on the Internet and all, but you realize that if the stuff you say is wrong, it just makes you look like a dolt, right? “Too big to fail” is basically the diametric opposite of the “invisible hand”.
Perhaps you should ask for a partial refund of your expensive “designations”, Professor.
him uses alot of big words…FANCY!!!
And it involved an enormous amount of money, so that means it must have been good.
him useing big words, clearly him smarter then us. we should all bow before the might of a vokabualry
And he used the words “ignorant” and “naive” — he must be a smart guy.
Also, his reasons for defending this mall are a matter of national security.
is zombie invasion, defend the mall !!!
Malls are notoriously hard to defend and are not recommended as good defensive locations during the Zombie Apocalypse. Schools and hospitals are a different story.
Hard to defend, yes. Fun to defend on Xbox 360, hellz yes.
yes lets go to the hospital….where all the dead and infected people are..brilliant…..yaa…
oh I’m wrong eh? I wasn’t aware there was a “right” when it comes to economic debate, somebody call the president this guy has it all figured out.
I don’t quite understand where you come out with this “to big to fail” BS, smiths invisible hand is a term that describes an internal market force that forces supply and demand fall into equilibrium, thus shifting the economy to full potential. “to big to fail” is nothing more then arrogant CEO’s unwilling to see the ground rushing up at them.
I WAS however “posturing” that Keynesian economics is currently responsible for getting us out of this mess (see monetary and fiscal policy), and that Keynesian economics would have stopped us from getting into this mess in the first place.
make no mistake, i am not trying to “get my jollies off” by rubbing my education in other peoples faces, I am however trying to point out that there IS private education in north America. On a side note, do you know what a designation is? I’m wondering why you put it in quotations, maybe you should look up the CFA for a good example.
Stop being such an arrogant prick and we’ll stop insulting you…
Wow, an arrogant, condescending, factually incorrect response — what a shocker! But I’ll give you one more chance to put your money where your mouth is, if you can: please explain how Keynesian economics will contribute to the eventual recovery. (Bonus points if you can explain how Obama’s initial economic policy, such as it is, is not truly Keynesian.)
For the record, chief, the CFA — the financial equivalent of a correspondence course in water heater repair — doesn’t require anywhere near an “enormous” amount of money. But don’t worry; we all know you’re just pulling an impressive-sounding acronym off someone else’s business card to make yourself sound impressive and bolster your nonexistent argument.
(And just because I can’t let it go — it’s “TOO big TO fail”. See the difference?)
I believe you are mistaken (maybe you are thinking about the CSC?), the Chartered Financial Analyst is the equivalent to the holy grail of financial designations. With the CFA you are positioned in the top 1% of the financial community. I do however like that you assumed i HAD the CFA (an obvious indicator that you still assume whatever examples I point out are directly related to me), I was simply referencing it as a good example of what a designation was. The reasoning being that i had assumed you didn’t know what a designation was by the way you put the word in “”.(also i believe i stated that the enormous amount of money was for both the quality of education and the designations, mayhap I should have sorted them out for you?)
I’m also amused how you have called me “wrong” twice now without explaining your position. I suppose it’s easier to call somebody out and hope nobody knows enough about the subject to know if you are right or wrong, but that just seems to be the behavior of a common troll if you ask me. I have explained my reasoning, I would hope you do the same if you want to be taken seriously.
I’m also curious to know why you care? my post was towards this fellow “CR” about his views on removing public schooling. Same question for you “No1askedme”, you showed your own distaste for a fully privatized schooling system, yet your attacking me? for what? does my perceived arrogance bother you so much you are willing to turn your back to your values?
It’s more fun to rail incoherently than to actually answer my question, isn’t it? Coward…
(And just so you know, 1% of Internet users fall for Nigerian 419 scams, too. Doesn’t make them the top 1%.)
yeah, I thought so
I would say the same thing to you, you haven’t explained yourself once. and now that i have caught you with the CFA point you’re retreating with insults.
it was fun, but i have more important things to do then argue with common trolls.
You’re the one talking down to everyone. Stop waving your education around every time you post, and stop responding to us like we’re children. Whether or not you’re meaning to be condescending, your posts have that sort of tone to them. Sorry if I misunderstood, I just hate it when people talk down to others.
It’s really quite simple — *you* made the assertions, *you* back them up. You can pretend all you want that our roles are reversed, but that’s just not true, and only confirms my opinion of you as a weaselly little coward.
Bye now!
Too big to fail…and too legit to quit! Stop! Hammer time!
Hey, highly educated libtroll, stop making us liberals look bad by being a condescending dink. That’s MY JOB!!! Oh, and your highly educatedness, it’s YOU’RE not YOUR. *sigh* It’s one thing to argue your points, but when you act like such an ass you’re losing credibility by the bushel. (Yes, credibility comes in bushels. I looked it up.)
@ Dhoti
I was not responding to you, I was responding to “AM”.
I figured, No1, and I was responding to him, too. I didn’t specify because I figured he’d get that he was the one being yelled at.
Ok, I wasn’t sure. I just wanted to make sure that you knew I? wasn’t accusing you of anything. Misunderstandings can be dangerous.
I however… hate both of you *throws water balloons*
“the only way we will be able to survive is to switch to high tech and value added products.”
you don’t really see the fallacy in that logic, do you?
CR, you are totally insane. That’s really all I have to say.
CR, you are insane and paranoid. That’s all I have to say to you and your ilk. The only thing I’ve seen private schools do different than public schools is that they indoctrinate their students with their parents’ political, religious, and social views. You’ve never quite been shocked to hear something until you hear a 13 year old refer to a waiter as a “peasant” behind their back. You sicken me.
WTF? Double post fail!
Aww, I sicken someone because I like private schools. Somehow, I don’t think I’ll loose much sleep over the fact that I don’t have the respect of a bleeding-heart liberal on Pundit Kitchen.
i love my right wing nutjobs
they seem to think they are “better” then the average person because they are way too logical to care about people. they have this view that cold hard logic is the only way to process any decision.
but all I see is a scared little person that is trying to differentiate themselves by being shockingly callous. It’s hard to come to terms with the fact that you are unimportant, insignificant, and in 200 years time nobody will even know who you are isn’t it? so you put on this superiority complex, you make yourself different by pretending you don’t care and you hope to god that it makes your life have some sort of meaning.
take it from somebody who has been there, you will have a much better life once you let your heart bleed just a little.
Lot of Libs use that to discredit anyone that doesn’t promote their way of thinking. Of course a lot of Cons use the Pinko Commie thing in the same way.
@ CR
I am by no means a Democrat. You said “liberal”, but you meant “Democrat”. Democrats are no longer liberals, they’re just the conservatives from the 60′s. The political spectrum in the US has been pushed so far to the right that the Republican party now borders on fascism. Nothing good ever comes of propaganda and fear-mongering. Also, I don’t care what you think of me, but I’m not going to let you live in your fantasy world unopposed. History and logic both show how awful your ideas are when implemented. Schools should exist to educate, not fill some aristocrat’s wallet! Your fear and hatred of all things government is very nearly pathological! Do you really trust “The Invisible Hand” that much!?
The republican party borders of Fascism. Wow. What a vapid, empty statement.
I’m not saying that conservatives are fascists, conservatives aren’t Republicans. You’ve gotta face the facts though, the signs are everywhere: Fear-mongering propaganda, anti-socialist rants, constant finger-pointing (although that applies to all political organizations), xenophobia, “State First” propaganda, attempts to enforce “morality” through laws, blatant hate-mongering, “us vs. them” policies, pro-deregulation of all business, constant senseless mudslinging (once again, all parties do this, but the Republican party sees to do this out of policy), anti-transparency legislation, constant rabid nationalism, irrationally high glorification of militarism, pandering to fools, and frequently outright lying to the public to force their policies into law. It’s textbook fascism tactics, although they haven’t completely embraced fascist ideology yet, you can see that creeping in through some of the fringe groups within the party. One need look no farther than the “religious right” to find true fascists; and they’re gaining more influence within the Republican party every year.
You say that as if the Democratic party isn’t full of BS propaganda. *sigh* You just can’t see the forest for the tree huggers, can you?
AM–Okay, I gotta admit, for a libtroll, that was pretty awesome.
CR–Damn, that was a really good response too. I’m impressed by our two letter trolls.
No1–Not that I support the Republicans in any way, shape, or form (because I despise everything they believe in), but to accuse them of fear-mongering and then call them fascists is kind of pot-calling-the-kettle-black stuff.
JAC–I thought you weren’t a Republican?
I never said fascism was evil did I? I just pointed out the facts. Your opinions of fascism are your own, I’m just here to make a point: the Republican party is approaching a policy of fascism. I know the Democrats are guilty of plenty of those as well; like I’ve said, the political “window” in America keeps moving steadily to the right. However the Democrats aren’t doing this as a party, it’s mostly a small group of very loud douche bags that are in the party. The Republican party have wholeheartedly embraced all these tactics as part of their campaign and propaganda efforts. They’re the only party I know of that openly takes advantages of peoples’ ignorance.
I’m not, I am simply trying to point out when BOTH sides sling the propaganda poo poo. A flaming bag of dog poo is great Friday night entertainment, but not good conversation.
No1, like I said earlier. You can’t see the forest for the tree huggers. Or you simply are lying to yourself.
My views on economics are strongly on the liberal side, but my views on just about everything else don’t really fit either the conservative or the liberal views. My views are a weird hybrid of ideas I really don’t want to go into detail, as that would just result in another wall of text, but suffice it to say I’d never be able to be elected to any political position ever. My views are rather extreme compared to most.
*lets his bleeding heart bleed all over CR’s breakfast*
Yeah, like bleeding heart liberal is an insult or something. I wear that badge with pride, yo.
Thank you Cr you did a much better job of explaining vouchers.
@No1askedme
Oh, you are now going to try to tell me what I actually meant? That’s new. I’ve never had someone presume to be arrogant enough to actually tell me that the words I used weren’t actually what I meant.
No, I didn’t mean “Democrat.” I meant “Liberal.” I have never mentioned the Republican party OR the Democratic party for a reason. The Democratic party isn’t liberal anymore, they are nearing Socialist mentality. The Republican party isn’t conservative anymore, they are nearing Fascist mentality (yes, we do agree there).
So, please, cut down the arrogance. I said exactly what I meant to say, and it would behoove you to realize that.
I don’t have a “fear and hatred of all things government.” I have fear and hatred of government gone awry, something I have been watching as Bush did during his reign (PATRIOT ACT anyone?), and I AM watching as Obama is doing during his reign (Obamacare).
If you want to know how I feel about something, be a man and ask me. Don’t be a petulant child, hiding behind his mother being a teacher, assuming you know what I am actually saying.
If you can’t do that, then I suggest you leave and let the big kids talk.
I’m saying today’s Democrats aren’t liberals at all, they’re moderate conservatives on a subjective scale. I’m dead serious, even Reagan was supportive of a government health-insurance plan.
Please provide evidence as to your claim of Reagan supporting government health-insurance plans.
Also, if you think today’s Democrats are conservatives (even moderate conservatives), then you have no clue as to what a conservative truly is.
Wouldn’t ya know it, that website has been debunked, and I can’t seem to find it elsewhere. I guess that was another bit of propaganda. Oh well, my first sentence still stands true. It’s fairly obvious considering the Democrats of the 20′s were openly communist. Then again, that was before the Cold War.
P.S. This post of yours seems different from the rest to me, for some reason. I think I may have lost it when you brought up privatizing education, it’s a bit of a sensitive topic for me. Where I live there’s a strong push to privatize education for all the wrong reasons (IE: religious fundies don’t want their children to learn about evolution or anything that’s not in their little black book), and the “products” of the private schools around here make me sick. I’m sorry for snapping at you and insulting you earlier, it was uncalled for and I apologize.
I know that wasn’t aimed at me, but for the sake of harmony on the website, I’m gonna keep my opinion of what a conservative truly is to myself. Heh. And to some of us, the Democratic Party as a whole isn’t nearly liberal enough. That certainly goes for me and my bleeding heart. Oops, sorry, got some of the bleeding heart on your shirt. I hope that comes out.
Yes, because deregulating things helps so much. Oh wait, no it doesn’t. It just gives them free reign to screw us over even more than they already do. Cut the federal budget in half? And what would you like cut out of it? This should be interesting.
well we can do with police services if we just use angry mob inforcement of laws.
But then we have to increase our torch & pitchfork budget immensely.
But if you are for public health care and against abortion, people who don’t want kids because they don’t have enough money will have kids anyway.
These kids won’t get education, they won’t find a job, and that will make more people using tax payers money to get treated by a doctor. In the end public health care will not be an available option anymore because too many people will be getting it and not enough will be paying for it.
On a side note, the day someone makes abortion illegal, I turn pro abortion. By that, I mean to actually force women to abort. Just to piss off those who want to force their values on me… Give them a taste of their own medicine and see how they like it.
You’re willing to change your ideals just to piss someone off? How can you say you believe in them then?
(s)he is saying his ideals are that of choice.
(s)he may not “believe” in abortion, but would rather people have the ability to make their own choice in the matter, instead of having it forced ont hem either way.
But to say you believe in something means you shouldn’t change no matter what. I respect people who disagree with me if they have valid reasons and stand by them.
Saying “I’m going to piss off those people by flip flopping.” is cowardly.
Anyone can change their mind. Just not for a stupid reason.
Unless you’re in politics, then you can change your mind any time you think you’re going to lose.
Or if you’re wishy-washy. Like someone I know who has wavered on some of his campaign promises already. Blah.
Not just wavered, darling. I believe several of them are blatantly broken beyond repair.
Of course, I’d have to go back in history a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG way to find a president who didn’t break campaign promises.
I know. And the instant they declared him the projected winner in November I immediately started wondering which promises he was gonna break first. I still like him overall, but I’m disappointed anyway.
i think i may have been misunderstood
what i mean is that this person values the ability to choose your own beliefs much more then they value their beliefs on the topic.
for an example. I am an atheist, it is my belief that organized religion is destroying lives. but I WILL NOT force that belief on somebody else, because I value religious freedom much more then I do my own personal religious belief.
Funny thing. We agree on the organized religion part. Not faith, but organized religion. And the part about not forcing it on others. Doesn’t matter if it’s real faith, organized religion, or atheism. Don’t force it.
I think practically everyone agrees to that. But then it turns out that there are very many interpretations of what “forcing it” might mean. :p
That’s true. For some, if I said, “I’m a Christian,” that’s forcing it on them. That’s a little extreme. For others, a religious display in public. For me, that depends on the situation. There are times and places where that’s appropriate. For others, forcing it on me is knocking on my fvcking door and trying to tell me what to believe in my own fvcking home. I think most of us agree on that one.
Most of us, yes. I’d say that missionary work is about forcing your religion on others, but then again, you’re not being waterboarded until you agree to believe or anything, so … “force” is a debateable concept.
hahaha america full of fail
least our fail dont smell like STINKY CHEESE!~
In Soviet Russia, fail is full of YOU!
score!
I figured we needed a variation on the typical American line.
Typical American stealing other countries jokes.
In Soviet Russia, country steals YOU!
dude…………….. that’s too true to be funny.
but then I lol’d
Which in turn made me LOL.
Good she still needs to pay for when 3 scientist and a black guy made her destroy parts of New York. Including smashing a rather nice museum.
And she never did get that weekend in Vegas with the Jolly Green Giant….
3 scientists wish they had the common sense of the black guy
He has seen sh*t that will turn you white!
No offense you guys, but I gotta get my own lawyer.
Good she still needs to pay for when 4 scientists made her destroy parts of New York. Including smashing a rather nice museum.
FTFY racist
winston zedmor was NOT a scientist, he was a contruction worker looking for work. took a job working with them and became a important and beloved member of the team, but lets not call him Dr Zedmor…he’s not
Actually, he is Dr. Zeddemore. You should play the new video game, its fun.
bitter troll has, owns it, since it was released, only reason bitter troll bought 360.
owns both movies
and no, winston never went to college, you should read some of the books about ghostbusters
Yeah, I thought it was common knowledge that Winston wasn’t an actual scientist like the other 3. If he’s Dr. Zeddemore in the game, then that’s either a continuity error or he’s been busy since the 2nd movie. LOL
the game takes place 1 year after the last movie….so unless he was SUPER busy…bitter troll thinks he was either called Dr by mistake or as a smack alleck remark
Sadly, I haven’t played the game yet. I could get the PS2 version, but I’ve got a feeling that’d be like playing Ghostbusters Lite.
bitter troll is told the story is close…but the graphics are HORRID and game play just as bad, 360 or PS3 way to go!
He could’ve written and defended a good solid dissertation in a year, based on his in-person observations of ectophenomena. That, or it was a continuity error. Or a courtesy title. Take your pick.
If you are doing scientific work, you are indeed a scientist, regardless of your credentials.
but that does not make you a doctor
Well then, you missed the part about Winston saying he spent a lot of time in that museum while studying for his doctorate. Straight from Ernie Hudson’s mouth.
bitter troll pretty sure he was just talking trash, you know how them black folk are
He wasn’t a scientist in 2
However, the novelization of Ghostbusters mentions Zeddemore’s service with the Marines prior to joining the Ghostbusters. Further, in Ghostbusters: The Video Game, while the Ghostbusters are on a mission in the New York History Museum, Zeddemore reminisces about the time he spent studying for his doctorate in the museum’s Egyptology wing. (In context, it’s unclear if Zeddemore studied for the doctorate prior to joining the Ghostbusters, or sometime between the events of the movies and the game’s setting in 1991.)
he studied for it yes….did he ever get it? was never mentioned. but no one ever called Doctor
Calling a black guy a black guy is racist?
no not makeing him a doctor seems to be racist, even thou he’s not a doctor. Neil patrick harris played a doctor for pretend on tv
He also played an evil doctor, which makes him a double PHD.
And he played what was basically an SS/Gestapo officer in Starship Troopers. (You really need to read the book to discover how crap the film actually is and how there is little in common with the film. In the book Johhny Rico is called Juan and is actually of Filipino descent, The attack on Buenos Aires still occurs, but in the book only his mother gets splatted by the meteor. In the book his father eventually rises to become a Sergeant Major in his son’s Platoon, plus Neil Patrick Harris’ character in the book was actually a scientist/engineer who got killed when the Arachnids attacked Pluto, plus countless other changes.) Actually on the commentary on the DVD Paul Verhoeven has stated that he never actually read the whole book.
There is about as much in common with Starship Troopers the novel as there is between I Robot the novel and movie. Why Hollywood must you destroy great books with bad directors and worse scripts.
Yep!! The two greatest books of Military Science Fiction ever – Starship Troopers (Destroyed by Hollywood), and the Forever War, by Joe Haldeman (soon to be possibly destroyed by Hollywood, although this one is apparently being directed by Ridley Scott, so it does have some chance of being a decent film)
Don’t understand, wich crap are you talking about ?
Not any specific crap, all of it. Not that France would be any better.
Umm, nuclear power FTW? I dunno, they’re just another country. As with any institution run by humans, France sucks too.
Back to Norway that is, the metal is from Norway, she was paid for by france
But she was constructed in Paris. The French loved her so much that they have a miniature replica/model of her in the Luxembourg Gardens.
Not in the Luxembourg Gardens but in the Isle of the Swans.
Wikepida says “no”. It says Luxembourg Gardens. That’s where I saw her too. The first statue is in the Gardens, is there another one on the Isle of Swans?
Yes, there is one in the Gardens (about 2 metres – 6.5 feet), but the one in the Isle of Swans is 11.5 m tall (about 38 feet). The copy of Colmar is taller (13.5 m). But the most famous french reproduction is the one in the Isle of Swans. There is also copies in Japan, Germany, Italy, China, Vietnam, Austria….
Most of the others were bought by William Gaines….
…several dozen minigolf courses…
I LOL’d.
There’s also a copy in Colmar birth place of the sculptor
I have a six inch copy sitting on my desk right now.
You have a Gadget??? Must be worth a fortune!
“Keep This Crap Up”
You’re gonna have to be waaay more specific there, ma’am.
Not really. That would ruin the funny, and the last thing this site needs right now is to lose the funny. The last couple lols have actually made me lol, let’s not ruin it with excessive accuracy.
Think of it as a Rorschach ink blot of a caption. Everyone sees something different in it, according to their own experiences and predispositions.
And each interpretation reveals a different sort of mental disorder.
Ooh, I see problems with the fact that murder is illegal. What mental disorder do I have?
we dont want you back.
twas a gift. i know murqans aren’t grateful, but hey, we dont take back our gifts.
True.
We don’t want this lady to come back to us.
Our government isn’t better than yours…
“Our government isn’t better than yours…”
Does any body NOT feel that way about their government?
Yeah, but we particularly do. You know, we have Sarkozy. Only Berlusconi keeps us from thinking that we have the worst european president ever.
Good. Point. Berlusconi needs a leash. Or at the least, he needs to be spayed.
Oh I don’t know, at least Berlusconi is entertaining. Unlike the most boring Prime Minister on earth, Kevin “Kruddy” Rudd. What’s German for “programmatic specificity”?
vegamite….thats a vegan termite?
“i know murqans aren’t grateful”
Now, that’s a super douchey thing to say. And you wonder why so many Americans dislike the French.
I’m pretty sure that the U.S. loves Ms. Liberty and is very grateful to have her.
“you wonder why so many Americans dislike the French. ”
yeeaah, i wonder why a bunch of xenophobic hillbillies who dont have any education hate the rest of the world…
i also wonder why they hate France, after Condie said in 2003 “Punish France, ignore Germany, forgive Russia” (“for not helping us invading Iraq”)
i’m really wondering, seriously…
If you really knew what a hillbilly was, you would know how ignorant your comment is.
*stops playing his banjo*
Hey, ma, some French troll is over here busting our chops over not liking France!
The Amero-Frog mutiual hatred predates even the French and Indian War. Our brief alliance against the British was merely a fluke.
France has twice the number of overseas territories as the US, and more than the UK, making THEM the “imperialist bastards.”
Hillbillies use Dulcimers. Mountain music and bluegrass are different.
Dulcimers are cool!
I have tons of Dulcimer and Banjo music, if you want any, let me know.
Because you are useless smelly racist imperialist douchebags who shot at our first President and thought the Maginot line was good defensive strategy.
Also, your outrage smells like ash and Zyklon B.
Tu ferais mieux de te taire non ?
I’m sure Obama could come up with a packet of DVDs from the 90s, (that only play on US DVD players) or an iPod with his speeches on it instead…
This “LOL” is about as funny as my post you’re reading is.
But your post is HILARIOUS!!! Damn, where do you come up with this stuff?
I feared the funneh couldn’t last more than a few LOLs. I’m going to go watch the Python documentary for some funny. B’uhye!!
Can I come watch with you? I’ll bring gummi bears.
Of course! I’m rewatching it cause it was good. Here, have a pillow for your behind since you’ll have to spend the next 6+ hours on it.
I thank you, and my behind thanks you. Here, have some gummies.
Am I the only one not getting it?
The joke: Lady Liberty thinks Congress sucks balls and wants to go back to France. What’s not to get?
no the question is why does she thinks the congress sux? I mean European’s parliment are at least as much corrupted and inefficient as American’s…
You have a point.
Problem being the lol-designer probably doesn’t read or watch international news.
Shhhhhh! You’re ruining the not-very-funny joke!
no there not… at all…. not even close to america….
Really? Can you prove that? Is there a government in the world that isn’t corrupt or inefficient?
Weak government beholden to private interests tends to be more corrupt.
As opposed to your iron fisted dictatorships that get things done really really quickly…
Those are weak governments beholden to private interest. The private interest in question being the dictator’s.
Maybe, but how is that weak?
Somalian. It simply doesn’t exist.
I still don’t get it, is the joke about corruption or is there any news about Congress I should know ?
I assumed it was about Congress dithering endlessly instead of quickly passing a French-style health care bill.
So, because parliaments around the world are corrupt, we should ignore the horrendous job the American congress is doing?
Well, it’s not like anyone else is having better luck. Vote them out if you don’t like them. There’s no good reason to make this already useless government any weaker. In my opinion the government sucks because there are too many people involved. One representative per-state should be more than enough, why do we need all the others? All it does is slow things down.
Nothings free.
So fvck the people who can’t pay for it, right? It’s their own fault, right?
No, it’s your fault. You have money.
I do? Sweet! Where is it?
*giggles and runs in circles with Rando’s money*
It’s going to Jack in the Box! Catch me if you can!!
Bring me back some fries!
*brings Ivan fries* They’re from Saint Louis!
Remember, I used to work at Jack in the Crack. You don’t want to know how long those fries were sitting around before you got them.
No! I went there last night and they screwed up my tacos! I don’t wanna go back there!
I can spend all your money without you, you don’t need to meet me there.
Also, how do they mess up tacos?
We asked for them without lettuce or sauce. Just meat & cheese. They put sauce on anyway. The sauce sucks.
WHY would one buy a taco from Jack in the Box? That’s what Taco Bell is for. One doesn’t go to Taco Bell for a burger. But oddly, we have a Taco Bell/Long John Silver up the road here, so one can go to Taco Bell and buy fish & chips. ?:-O
Because Jack in the Box deep fries ‘em. And they’re super good. But they stopped carrying Monster Tacos a few years back. Kinda sad.
OMFSM! We don’t have JitB here, so I’ve never heard of this deep fried taco you speak of. And yet…now I can’t stop thinking about it. *whimper*
Everyone should be able to pay, everything we need should be affordable.
Except caviar, precious gems and illegal drugs (not counting pot).
Those things should be free!!
Sign me up for some free drugs!
That’ll be the day.
It depends on the individual person, but for a great many of the welfare-dependent, socialist-wannabe, lazy people…yes, it is their own damned fault.
I know not everyone is poor due to their own decisions, but a great many are.
Your disclaimer there doesn’t change this from being a sad generalization.
So, not everyone is poor due to their own decision. And you’d rather make sure to punish the innocent to make sure to punish those lazy socialist wannabes? I’d rather allow some abuse to the system in order to make sure the right people get the help they need.
And what do you define as “the help they need?” Are you saying that perfectly able-bodied individuals need food stamps and welfare checks on a long-term basis, like many do, instead of working?
I’m sorry, but the welfare system in this country is an absolute joke. It is abused to the point of insanity. We reward people who go on welfare, then pop out child after child after child. If you can’t afford the children you already have, the government should not be giving away tax dollars to you to pay for the new kids.
You’ve been unemployed for a year and haven’t found a single job? Well, I have a guess you haven’t been looking all that hard. Go flip burgers at McDonald’s. Get a paper route. Get three minimum wage jobs. The rest of the country is not responsible for subsidizing your lack of a work ethic.
I have no problems with providing long-term assistance (i.e. social security, welfare, food stamps, etc) for people with actual need. Those for whom work is not an option, such as the elderly or the disabled. But, since I have seen no credible evidence to suggest that the majority of welfare cases fall in to those categories, then I have no reason to see long-term welfare as a necessity for most people.
Sure, everyone falls on hard times now and again. Yes, those people need help getting back on their feet. But, that help should be short-term (one year or less) and for necessities only. No more buying cigarettes and going to an ATM (in order to buy lottery tickets and booze) with you welfare and food stamp card.
If you want to see why government hand-outs don’t work, just examine the rampant fraud that occurred with the FEMA credit cards handed out to people displaced by Katrina. Among the list of fraudulent activity includes people buying $200 bottles of champagne and taking Caribbean vacations.
The problem with the liberal paradigm is that it is all heart, and no brain.
That may very well be, but your ideology is all Social Darwinism, and no ethics.
It’s called “pulling yourself up by your bootstraps.” If you want to consider than unethical, or interpret it as Social Darwinism, that’s fine.
The end result is that we are all responsible for the outcomes of our lives. We are all responsible for our own actions, our own decisions, and our own well-being. Taking that away from people, even under the guise of “we are just trying to help you by giving you long-term welfare money,” does little more than removing any drive to succeed. Without said drive, success becomes as unrealistic a dream as me winning a Latin Grammy.
If you want to succeed in life, then it is up to you to make sure that happens.
Oh for…….you’re an idiot.
Gee, thanks for such a stimulating response. Be sure to keep up your high intellectual standards, as it really makes people respect you!
Considering that we’ve already hashed out this faulty “bootstrap” theory in the VERY recent past, and considering that you’re doing the same thing that our last proponent did by completely discounting good old fashioned luck in being able to make it in this world, I’d say that your intellectual standards are weighted in the balance and found wanting.
I saw no reason to say anything other than what I said. I call a stupid statement when I see it.
And bad luck can take many forms, like working for a boss who doesn’t like you just because he doesn’t like you. Or maybe working at the worst store in your district. Perhaps that promotion you were promised ended up going to someone else not because you didn’t deserve it, but because that guy’s management job was just eliminated. Maybe you missed calling about the awesome internship by a day. Or graduated college just in time for the economic boom of the 90′s to end. There’s all sorts of ways luck can go wrong that isn’t your fault.
Or too many qualified applicants for the same job, or no money to move to find a better opportunity, or a family you have to feed so you can’t stop working to get training for another job that might or might not pay for….
Idiots like CR make my side look bad.
*pay more, not pay for.
Like I said, the whole bootstrap theory is just a simplistic idea that just because one person has success doing something that EVERYONE can have success doing the same thing. It doesn’t take into account that every. human. being. is. different. We all have different situations, and different lives. The bootstrap theorists lack empathy, IMHO. Let them take a walk in someone else’s boots and see the straps work then.
The fact that s/he mentioned winning a Latin Grammy got my hamster wheel turning. If CR thinks that hard work will make it easier to get somewhere in life, and that pulling yourself up by your bootstraps is what it takes to succeed, then I challenge him/her to go work hard and win a Latin Grammy. Then I will believe that his theory has merit. Otherwise, s/he can go suck a tailpipe.
That’s true, and I agree. However, deregulation doesn’t facilitate independence and competition. It leads to monopolies and abuse of power. The big businesses aren’t trustworthy, so the we need to keep an eye on them, which we do through the government. The government may be corrupt, but it is much less so than businesses are. People will always take advantage of the system, and yes that sucks, but it’s better to allow some people to do that than deny the much larger groups of people the help the need.
I would argue that governments, by their very nature, are much more corrupt than businesses. At least with business you have a choice as to whether or not to give them your money and, thus, increase their clout and power.
What choice have with with government? Little to none.
I disagree completely. I’m of the firm opinion that the bigger the business, the more avidly they pursue ways of screwing over as many people in the world as humanly possible.
We vote for our representatives in our government. They have incentives to not screw us over in that if they do, they’ll be out of a job next election season. Businesses we have no control over directly, and when a market is dominated by a few large corporations they can cooperate to screw us over in a way we can’t avoid. That’s my perspective anyways. Besides, government is a necessary evil. Would you seriously prefer anarchy?
The sad part is, where I live Social Darwinism is a popular ideology. And these same people claim to be Christians!
There’s that hear-warming liberal compassion I keep hearing about!
“Agree with us, or we will insult you and call you names!”
Yeah, what a great way to convince me you are worth taking seriously.
Also, I should add that the “bootstrap theory” doesn’t imply that hard work always equals success. It implies that hard work increases your chance of success. We all have equal chance, but we don’t have equal outcome of effort.
So, go ahead, use your beloved liberal compassion to label me as soulless because I want to keep what I work hard to earn and have not give it away to lazy welfare leaches. At the end of the day, at least I know that I deserve what I own in my life, unlike the liberal mindset of punishing those who succeed in order to give things to those too lazy to try.
“There’s that hear-warming liberal compassion I keep hearing about!”
Oh suck it. I see no reason to share my liberal compassion with you. You’re not worth it.
“It implies that hard work increases your chance of success. We all have equal chance, but we don’t have equal outcome of effort.”
No, we don’t all have equal chance. That’s a conservative figment of the imagination. Something to help them sleep at night. It’s a load of nonsense is what it is. Too many people have control over our lives for us to really be able to control our destinies. Hard work may improve your chances, but you know what? It may not too. I work my ass off at my job and I’ve been spinning my wheels for 3 years. Hell, with the dramatic raise in insurance premiums every year, I’ve actually taken pay cuts almost every year. I make far less now than when I started my job.
I guess I could find another job. Oh wait, I’ve been trying. Too bad the economy sucks balls. I guess since I don’t get called for interviews I just didn’t work hard enough on that application. I’ve been working hard all my life. At school, at work. And I have yet to see any real life success from any of it. Take your bootstrap theory and shove it up your ass.
“So, go ahead, use your beloved liberal compassion to label me as soulless because I want to keep what I work hard to earn and have not give it away to lazy welfare leaches.”
So keeping your money means more to you than your fellow man, huh? Yeah, I stick by my soulless comment. You make baby Jesus cry.
No1 – Good God man! Learn to read. I never said that the Democrats billed themselves as the compassionate party. I said that Liberals, specifically Rando in this discussion, have continually invoked the ideas of compassion and empathy, thus demonizing me because I don’t let my emotions guide every decision I have. Also, as to your recent apology…apology accepted. I, too, apologize if I have crossed the line in my treatment of you. You and I may not agree on issues, but you seem like a decent person who firmly understands why you believe the way you do.
Rando – I’d see a therapist if I were you. This anger problem you have can’t be healthy. So, you haven’t succeeded after a whole three years in your job? Gee, I’m sure you’ll understand why I don’t really care. If you think that three years in a job, and working hard in college, is supposed to have guaranteed you success by now, you are seriously delusional. I have a bachelor’s, a master’s, and am currently (and simultaneously) working on a second master’s and a doctorate. You know what? I have not hit that pinnacle of success either. But, I know that somewhere down the road, the fact that I work my ass off to get this education will help me in my field and allow me a greater opportunity TO succeed. You are the embodiment of another one of my favorite liberal mentalities, “I must have what I want right now.” It’s all about feeling good right now, with no look toward the future. Oh, and by the way, do you really think you are getting anywhere insulting me? Do you honestly think I care about your personal opinion of me? To be honest, being called heartless or soulless by someone as liberal as you are is actually a compliment to me. When the radical left hates me for what I believe, it just reconfirms that I am right and they are just scared.
froofrou – Seriously, you need to calm down. You haven’t provided a single coherent argument, and instead replaced that notion with worthless insults. You may want to reconsider what goal you have in posting here. If it is to actually engage in a debate, you are failing miserably. If it is to vent your anger on to others through an internet discussion….well, you are still failing miserably, but at least you are giving off the right image.
No everything is ‘free’ until you create rules such that it isn’t.
Only libertarians have this ass-backwards.
Cars are free?
Sure if cars came into being in a world with no government, society and rules for reconciling rights and obligations.
So, until cars grow on trees, no. Or, if you’re bigger than everyone else you could just take one, that’s a world without rules right there. Doesn’t sound nice.
You just repeated my post.
Libertarians on the other hand do believe ‘everything grows on trees’, you just have to know who’s tree it was.
Oh, ok. I did not know that.
The statue of liberty was a gift from France to the US to celebrate their independence, but it is made from copper from Karmøy in Norway.
The interesting thing about the Statue of Liberty is that the French made it a backhanded complement by installed it facing France.
Nice, never notified that ..
No, the New Yorkers installed it so it was showing its fesse to New Jersey.
I thought the statue was meant to welcome newcomers…
It was. And folks from NJ appreciate a good ‘back’, anyway!
Being from NJ, I can confirm that! Yupyup.
I wouldn’t be so quick to admit that you’re from NJ.. just sayin’..
why would you eddie? you not from NJ, why admit to a lie?
Because the cake is a lie. Therefore, if you admit to a lie, you get cake.
What? It makes sense to me.
Ugh! I should have had “If I were you..”
Thanks for pointing that out, BT.
We should replace liberty with a giant statue of alisa rosenbaum; caped, helmet haired, and cigarette held high with it’s smoke rising to form a dollar sign.
derp
You are a dumb a** for saying that. This is coming from a “hillbilly” or a person from the “back woods”( MO ) who 1/3 french. It’s people like you who make me wounder why you even open their mouth to speck ‘cus all I can hear is “blah blah I know all of bull sh*t”
The reply button is your friend.
Only friend…
Reply button hates me
“Caboose, I don’t think anybody likes you.”
“I like me.”
Backwoods, MO? What part?
That’s what people think we are. we are not Backwoods!!
Pine barrens, dude. Some of us are.
Hmmm…as a Missourian, I think I’d have to have a better idea of what part of the state you’re from to decide on that. Because there ARE some backwoods parts of this state, but certainly not all of it.
Man Petting a Squirrel
Hey look, the weak minded spaz is back with his spam. What a desperate mind to hope that this trash will get hits by spamming PK.
But don’t worry, the admins know, and soon that IP will be banned. Bye bye spammer.
No one here can love or understand him,
Oh what fckoff stories they all hand him.
Thank you all, you fought the fight,
He’ll be gone, by tonight,
Squirrel boy, buh-bye.
I sent them another e-mail letting them know that he’s back it. And my prayers that he burned to death in his home today were not answered.
Nor were my prayers that the squirrel would leap on him and chew his jugular vein out.
Hmph. And they said they were gonna do something about this. Blah.
bob….we hate you. please die of ass herpes
He has a fat body, a pointy head and flippers. Nice.
He’s scaring that squirrel, it’s not cute!
The Statue of Liberty is the biggest joke on America.
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
Yeah, send the dregs of your society to America. What better way to clean up your country then to export the garbage.
Actually, it work’s out okay, because we send some of the ones that are suspected of little things like murder and rape to countries like Canada and France so they don’t have to come back here.
unless your native american….bitter troll thinks YOUR part of those immagrant masses
right, because Canada has such a HIGH murder rate.
Uhmm… who do you think were the first europeans to land in America? Hint: it wasn’t the rich ones.
The rich ones just waited till they could afford a plane ticket
Nor were many of the later batches. How many rich Irish or Italians came over to this country back in the, what was it, late 1800s or early 1900s? I can’t remember exactly. Not to mention all the people who were, uh, not brought here by choice. They certainly weren’t rich people either. This country has been built by the “dregs of society.” Our great great great grandparents were those “dregs of society.” And we’ve clearly learned a lot from that seeing how we treat immigrants now.
Last sentence should have a /sarcasm on it.
Seems to have worked okay for Australia.
But I see your point. How dare we brag about being a land of ‘Second Chances’ when we don’t even give our own people half a chance?
An Them Forrunerz? Thay don’t speek gud english. Send’em bak.
Pah – Miz Liburty. Whut a jok.
They could learn english, that’s what they used to do.
Not “used to”. They still do. And not all of them “used to” (or do) learn English.
Yes, but that number is drastically falling.
Which number? (Not being argumentative, I really want to know)
The number that choose to learn English. Many of them come here with no intent other than making money, and sending it home. They have no respect for us, and that includes our laws.
Those aren’t the only ones that don’t learn English. There are countless communities in the U.S. where you can live your entire life and never have to learn English. Look at Brighton Beach. There is a large number of immigrants from the former USSR that moved to Brighton Beach, have lived in the US for 3+ decades and have never learned English. They don’t have to because they can get everything done in that community in their native language. Mind you, these people did not come here to work and send money home. And you can’t generalize that they have no respect for the U.S., its people or its laws. You just can’t because it’s not the whole truth, speaking as an immigrant to this country.
I don’t recall saying that it was every single one, but rather that a large number do. And I have stood face to face with some of the militant ones, cussing me and describing how they hate America and plan on &)^(*&^*(%& it. (One a former neighbor, one at a plant nursery that I deliver too)
You are right about those communities, but those are actually rare.
Personally, I think it’s a courtesy when you move to a new country to learn the language. The language barrier can be very very frustrating. In St. Louis, we have a large number of Bosnian immigrants. Many speak perfectly good English, but many others don’t, and that can be very frustrating.
I agree. I think it’s beyond a courtesy, it’s mandatory. If business, most every-day activities and interactions are conducted in the “official” language of your new home than you must learn that language. Not to do so indicates to me that you are not fully committed to becoming part of the “community”.
Hmph. Tell that to half of the staff at my plant. They all get offended if you don’t speak Spanish fluently, and accuse you of being racist and not caring about their needs. We lost a good superintendent recently because of that….
I wish that someone would declare English to be the official language of the US, but that would be exclusionary
but…but there’s already one in france.
so you’re screwed
but obama’s the president now, so this statues worries are over
the reich of bush is over
And the proliteriat of Amerika cheers for the new Glorious Socialist Leader, Obama !
You’re an idiot. But that’s nothing new.
Hells yeah! /sarcasm
If they don’t come up with decent healthcare soon, we will be moving to France – the best healthcare system I’ve ever lived under, including Blue Cross Blue Shield. Expensive (21% of my gross pay), but it gets you conception to grave coverage with no pre-existing conditions and, with my gap insurance, F-R-E-E office visits and medicine.
On the other hand: Sarkozy.
But where would you buy Haggis in France? Why not move to Scotland?
Oh, you Statue, for being a French guy I can assure you this is really not the good moment to come back to your old country !
The girls are all salty
The boys are all sweet
The food’s not too shabby
And they piss in the street…
In france
Way down in France
FZ
And just like George Costanza
He leaves out that one stanza
About a favorite treat
Bestowed upon his meat
The likes you’ve never seen
That leaves him feeling … green.
little sister is there
Well….. there is another Statue of Liberty in Paris…. (well I don’t think it’s called the statue of liberty)
u guys juts thinck that comunnism is good cuz u went 2 colege, and thats wat they teech u!!!! everone dont send ur kids 2 colegge it will make them comunists!!!
And will to be literate! OMG! How awful to be educated!
I think I would rather be communist and educated that capitalist and ignorant.
Though, having never been ignorant and capitalist, I guess I can’t really make an informed decision..
So, I re-read this, and it appears that may have come out wrong. I don’t think Capitalists are ignorant. Sorry if I offended anyone.
I have to believe that this post was a joke. Nobody could really be that illiterate, right? RIGHT?!
Yes.. diss.. They can.
bitter troll went to troll college,majored in smashing things
Still more useful than my degree unfortunately.
History?
History can get you to law school. I believe Rando had a different experience.
Ha! Not that bad, but almost as bad. Communication. I stupidly studied PR in a market with very, very few PR jobs. I graduated 8 years ago and have never had so much as an interview in my field.
ROFLMAO! CUT IT OUT! YOU’RE MAKING ME LAUGH SO HARD IT HURTS!
I bet France regrets ever giving that to us.
You, Precious Woman, Come To Sweden… Wait… Reinfeldt is still ruining our country? OH CRAP!
Vote for the Red/Green Alliance 2010!
I think if I ever relocate, I will be going to Sweden. I hear good things.
Danbala: “Ivan, for the last time, quit fvcking stalking me!!”
Wait, what? Danbala thinks I’m stalking her? No no no. I don’t think I ever even posted anything to her!
No, that was a joke. Me doing an impression of her if you went to Sweden. Never mind, I’m not funny. *hangs head in shame*
Oh, sorry brother. *sheepish grin* Heh-heh, heh-heh.
dunno if someone said this already, but I’m sayin it to, the statue was made from norwegian metal, only the designer was french
It’s a shame that there’s NO way you can find out if a word like “norwegian” or “norway” has already been mentioned on the page.
SUCH A SHAME.
AND ITS A BELGIAN FLAG!!!
Wow, you guys had fun with this. I hope you didn’t
miss the point. Thanks for looking and voting.
Where the hell have YOU been? You started this mess.
Well, I’ve been doing lots of lols. Mainly cats, celebs and politicos. In my own opinion this Congress has gone overboard in spending; there’s no real stimulus going on; there’s no incentive for businesses to employ anybody; therefore people who took mortgages they could not afford really can’t afford them now and have no discretionary spending which kills businesses and employment.
You can’t sell the house and move in this lousy economy and so the spiral down goes on. And we are about to get hit with cap and trade taxes, healthcare taxes, and the end of the Bush tax cuts mean higher taxes. The states don’t know how to spend and want more taxes, not more business. Funny how that works or doesn’t work. You know I might need a little vacation in France myself.