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I actually Lol’d at this.
This one was pretty good. I think I voted win on it, and I rarely vote win on anything.
crap bitter troll read it twice -la sigh and pays-
Then you really don’t want to know about the tax paying tax
Or the posting on the internet tax.
Or the breathing tax.
a shadow tax? by casting or standing in a shadow must pay tax?
Wait… isn’t that Gandalf’s horse?
You are now liable for the posting on the internet tax – LOTR reference surcharge
the horse was shadowfax. close… but no.
LOL! And yeah, pay up.
Now my advice for those who die.
Declare the pennies on your eyes.
Beware the Deadly Donkey
Falling slowly from the sky.
You can choose the way you live, my friends,
But not the way you die.
I’m in the hi-fi-delity first class travelling set
and I think I need a Lear jet.
@Ivan The Shortrightist — you don’t want a dull butcher knife — you want a VERY sharp filet knife or paring knife – the better to flay small, long strips off with. dull knives cause too much immediate pain resulting in frequent passing out which wastes time waiting for revival… and fire ants, and maybe fiberglass insulation… and of course bamboo splinters are a must have
My dear, dear bad fairie. I ALWAYS keep smelling salts handy.
Please don’t give Wisconsin Democrats any ideas…..
SILENCE! I KEEL YOU!
Oh, and BTW, the governor of California? Republican. Just sayin’.
Oh, and BTW, governing like a Democrat. Just sayin’.
There’s a difference?
Carter, Reagan? Kennedy,Hatch? Yep, big difference. McCain, Kennedy? Eh, not so much
Well then perhaps you should start dividing your party even more to make it easier for the Dems to have a majority!
I like this plan.
It’s nice to see you again my dear…
You know, I have other plans… ones that involve you, me and rope….
I like this plan better.
This is an excellent plan.
Well, we won’t have long to see, will we? Living through Carter gave us Reagan, living through Obama? Sounds like a plan to me.
but no one will live through Obama! His death pannels are coming for us all! Soon his dark legions of goverment doctors swill swarm down apon us with a great firey fury and consume mankind , beware….BEWARE
I thought his death plans were just coming for our grandmothers? Out of love and respect for my own mother I plan on never having children to protect her from becoming a grandmother.
the death pannels only start with your nana, then after a while they will come for anyone. they will wear black hoods and carry sythes, with white flowing robes that read” super doctor”
*tazes bitter and takes him away*
halp halp! bitter troll not a granny! noooooooo
Unfortunately Bitter, due to an tragic time travel/sex change operation accident you are in fact your own grandmother.
Don’t you see? Once they put down all of our grandmothers, they’ll need someone else to kill. Once they get that bloodlust NO ONE will be safe!!!!
First they came for the grandmothers,
And I didn’t say anything.
Then they came for grandfathers,
And I still said nothing,
Then they came for the mothers,
And I was silent.
Finally when they came for me,
No one was left to speak for me.
And when they come to ethnically cleanse me
Will you speak out? Will you defend me?
Freedom of expression, doesn’t make it all right
Trampled underfoot by the rise of the right.
The only problem? You guys are fresh out of Reagan’s and as Stephen Colbert said the only good Republican candidate is: “I Have No Clue About That.”
Ooo, and get rid of the superfluous apostrophe on “Reagans”
No, there are quite a few good candidates who show up every election. I, however, and pretty fond of Sarah Palin.
make that “am pretty fond”; darn reflexes….
If Sarah Palin is a good idea to you, then I have no fear about the 2012 election going to the republicans.
she would be great if she posed in playboy some!
Grim, you hurt my brain.
I do have to admit… she is nice to look at. But to listen to… *shivers*
Nah, give me Hilary in a thong! now that’s HOT!
Besides, the world ends in 2012, anyway, so vote for Hilary and make it happen!
Sarah Palin is a great idea to me, unfortunately she probably won’t run, I think she intends to be an advocate for conservatism and a pundit on the national scene. I’m sure she will like the money.
Who knows, the elections might not go to the Republicans, it might go to the Conservatives!
A lot of conservatives tend to be a bit too extreme for mainstream America these days.
Hey, that’s fine. Just make sure to get an actually good candidate for after she quits halfway through.
Like Obama quit Congress to run for President? Oh wait, he didn’t quit Congress, he just quit working, he still got paid.
Indeed, that’s a very very very thin argument. Obama quit to take a much more important job. Palin quit so she could pout.
Jim… excuse me but Mr. Obama did vote “Present” on most of his votes. So he did show up. That’s work enough for me.
Stop defending Palin, she’s gone about fighting the liberals all wrong. Trying to take the self righteous way is well quite arrogant. If you ignore them they tend to go away.
*waves hands around ILPB*
I’m not touching you…does this bug you? I’m not touching you.
No difference at all. They both moved on to better things. Obama effectively quit, but made sure he still got his paycheck.
OBAMANATION IS THE WELFARE PRESIDENT CAUSE HE WANTS TO SIT AROUND ALL DAY ON HIS BUM AND GET PAID THEN PLAY SOME GOLF AND PLOT TO TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY AND MURDER YOUR CHILDREN WITH FORECED ABORTIONS
**blows garlic, onion, chili cheese, hot dog burp into Rando’s face and turns around**
Ok… once again, if you think quitting to pout and leaving a position for a better (possibly the best position in the country) position has “no difference at all”, Then I’m done, and no longer worry about Obama’s chances in 2012.
Wait, so you really think leaving Congress to become president is abandoning his post? You can’t actually be serious. Wow, then Palin would’ve been just as much of a sleaze if she and McCain had won last year as she would’ve left Alaska to become VP anyway. Shaq is holding a panda. Your argument is invalid.
Yay! Forced abortions for all!
No one has ever forced me to have an abortion. *has a sad*
@ILPB: Very nice analysis on one of the ways Palin is hurting your party. I hope no one is out there listening to you!
@ Maxwell
Best position? Hell, you couldn’t pay me enough to take that job. I believe the onion put it best with their article this January “Black man given nations worst job”
@Ivan
/pushes Ivan down a flight of stairs
Free forced abortion! er…I hope you were already pregnant….
I wouldn’t know what Colbert says, but I can tell you what Limbaugh says.
Conservatives are showing surprising unity, we are “losing” a few rinos but thats not much of a loss. When was the last time an independent conservative almost won in New York? And we took the govenorships of two heavily Democratic states, I’m pretty happy with our recent results. There are a lot of conservative Dems who might cross over next time.
so if they cross from conservatie dem to liberal republican, they suddenly become someone you would vote for? see this is why i hate parties like that…you need to vote per person not per party. because that just forms a high school click system for goverment. he’s a liberal, not cool like us, lets block his idea even thou its good. oh that christain republican might be on the right track, but he hates the ozone so lets stop him and lets not vote for his idea.
The trouble for voting for the person is that the party controls the Senate and the House of Representatives. That’s why you get conservative Democrats voting for bills that they would not normally support. The party line and party discipline. The Republicans biggest problem of late was not having an effective party whip. That and George Bush was basically too nice and too Christian. He was a good man, but not a party leader.
So having a goverment that works like a highschool is fine?
That’s sort of the case Jim and it’s also a case of political warfare. Oftentimes the opposing side will add an amendment to the bill to either filibuster or to get people to vote for things they normally wouldn’t.
I’d give you specific examples, but none come to mind, but a good example would be, a credit card reform bill that has nothing but good ideas, but Senator X from State Y who’s in the pocket of credit company Z throws in an amendment making killing babies legal… no one would vote for it.. ever. Not only does the much needed change not pass, but Senator X can now use the voting down as fodder against his political enemies. Ie: “Well Senator A, why didn’t you vote yes on the credit card reform bill?! You hate the working class burdened with credit card debt!”
Indeed froo, I love you in a hawt conservative kind of way
No no, being a conservative has nothing to do with it.. what I mean is… just like conservatives, behind closed doors, imagine the things I’d do to you *grins*
Oh please Froo, I’m a responsible adult, I always use protection!
Dividing by zero again, I agree with froo. This is a big reason why real change never makes it through Congress. Let their bills speak for themselves. If they’re good, pass them. If they’re bad, don’t pass them. Don’t sabotage them by putting stupid stuff on there. Yeah, I know a lot of congress people do it to get their more local agendas passed, but aren’t their any other ways to do that?
Well because if there was straight and clear bills with no crap thrown in each senator might actually have to vote specifically for what he believes in! Which might mean that his constituents might actually find out where he stands on an issue! And you can’t have that! No sir.
If Rush considers Virginia to be a “heavily democratic” state, then I no longer wonder about his sanity. I KNOW it’s long gone now.
the Northern suburbs certainly are, and thats where everyone is now. The Dems carried that state by quite a bit during the Presidential elections as I recall – between 8 and 15 points maybe. Then to lose every elective office during this last election, it was a major turn-around. Limbaugh is the best political analyst I’ve ever seen, no one even comes close to him. I thought Carter’s guy Zbigniew Brzezinski was pretty good on Eastern Europe, but Limbaugh is amazing.
Ok… if you think Rush is a great political analyst then I’m done… You’re talking about a guy who said Powell’s endorsement was about nothing but race. Someone who thinks the president’s “agenda” is forced by nothing but his own ego. Forget the millions of Americans who were literally crying for help with the economy and for health care change.
He also said that Obama will not win the 2012 elections to the republican candidate, even though he admitedly has NO idea who that will be.
And finally you’re talking about a guy who said that because Virginia and New Jersey voted conservative for their state elections that it somehow means that Obama is on his way out.
Max: Actually DC suburbs, Richmond, Fredricksburg, Norfolk are quite Democratic. Especially Northern VA due to all the Maryland transplants (thanks asshats). If you look at where VA had gone in the last eight years you would see a trend moving towards being a Smurf state.
Ok, I’ll give ya that. Virginia is much more of smurf state than it used to be.
Let me caveate though to Jim. Rush is a freaking retard. Hannity has better positions and doesn’t preach the stupidity Rush does. Also Michelle Malkin, now that’s a better conservative (and she’s hot as hell).
To the dems who think the Republican party is D-E-D dead. Think again. Look at New Jersey and Virginia (clean sweep). A lot of the moderates do not like Obama’s plans and actions. They are the ones who sway votes, and if Obama and Dems continue down this Health Care, keep fvcking up Afghanastan, not cracking down on terrorism, overspending (threatening more taxes), then the Dems are in for a VERY VERY rude awakening. If Al Franken can get voted in b/c of anger towards a certain party, ANY moron can.
I think they’re taking the right course in Afghanistan. In fact a lot of republican senators do too. Kit Bond for one. They’re using smart power tactics. Move in and empower the people, not just bombing the place to dust.
It’s what finally got us the upper hand in Iraq as well. We started arming and supplying the Iraqi forces just as well as our own, and befriending the people. The trick in wars in the middle east isn’t to crush the opposition, it’s to befriend the locals so the opposition loses the home ground advantage.
Powell’s endorsement clearly was about race, as Rush noted what other liberal democrat has Powell voted for. Especially with John McCain running, the infamous moderate that all the rinos have been begging for. I never did like Powell, he did nothing but stab GWB in the back for the last 4 years. Bush should have gotten rid of him, but Bush was loyal to people who werent loyal to him. Even back to when Powell was testing the waters for a run for President, you couldn’t beat a position out of him. It wasn’t until he left the race that he showed his true colors. Anybody who knew him knew he had a lot of liberal leanings, but he wasn’t about to go public with them.
You’re kidding right? The surge is what worked in Iraq. Now as US troops are leaving Iraq is falling back into chaos. Afghanastan is almost a lost cause, b/c it’s taken Obama almost a year to finally doe something about it (though it was one of his campaign promises). We’ve had more loss of US troops in Afghanastan since Obama has taken over, and Iraq losses are increasing again.
Let’s not forget that Iran now has two nuclear reactors, Russian anti-air missle system, and pretty much a middle finger to the rest of the world.
Smart Power worked in Iraq, because it’s the tactics they used. The surge was PART of that. Patreus fully employed smart power tactics in Iraq as soon as he arrived, and that was when things started to turn around. And in my opinion, Afghanistan will always be a quagmire, and there is no “winning” there, but that’s just opinion after studying the history of occupations in Afghanistan. Don’t forget Obama did not start either of those wars, and he’s been more concentrated on issues here at home, which is what we should be doing in the first place. It’s a large reason as to why Bush alienated us from the rest of the world. Many nations wondered where we got the idea that we were justified in going to fix another nation’s government when our own was basically ignoring issues that are still plaguing us today.
Iran is… well Iran is a touchy situation. The last time we interfered with Iran, well… we’re the reason they’re in such bad shape today. Just like Iraq. We put someone into power and things fell apart from there. The sooner we realize that we need to keep our noses out of Islamic business, the better things will be. I’m not saying the things going on there are to be ignored, but everytime we try to “fix” something, it never gets fixed and usually ends up breaking worse than it was before.
Can’t tell ya, YouTube wants me to sign in. Never!
I’m a prodigy, I’m playing piano with my other hand even as I type this.
That’s great, but the fact that you’re a “ditto-head” in it’s purist form negates your every comment.
*still laughing over the “Limbaugh is the best political analyst I’ve ever seen” statement*
I am indeed a ditto head.
More than a ditto head, I’m a subscriber to Rush 24/7. My hard earned dollars go to make Rush wealthy!
*laughing harder*
pardon bitter troll, but bitter troll thinks that calls for a point and laugh, not just laugh
-points and laughs at jim- HA HA
Guys, I’m not a ditto head, and can’t stand Limbaugh. I want to ask this politely. How is that any different than those who listen to and subscribe to the pundits on the left. And while Rush has a large audience vs the left’s pundits, they outnumber him greatly.
It’s like the Faux Noise comments. How are they different than the left leaning stations?
JAC, we’re not playing the compare/contrast game. We’re pointing out how jim there thinks Rush is the be-all and end-all of political common-taters. But if we were, there are NO pundits or commentators on the left quite as nasty, mean or divisive as Rush. Olbermann is a bit loony, but he’ll never stoop to the level of viciousness as Rush. Have you heard anyone on the left go after a disabled person the way Rush went after Michael J. Fox? Have you ever heard the extremely elevated level of combativeness as Rush? And honestly, have you ever seen an EGO like Rush? Ok, Beck isn’t far behind, but at least he cries once in awhile.
you listen to ANY of those people and just nod and drool, obeying the pundit like he is a false god preaching from within the eye of a burning bush, your being a poopy head.
rush
that guy on MSNBC
that guy who sobs alot
that guy from SLN who got a gub’ment job
the one with the bible in his hand
that one chick who use to be a guy, ann something
the one who screams alot
the one who had the phone sex takes leaked
R Kelly, ya know the guy who peed on underage girls. why is he not in prison? oh bitter troll knows he is not a pundit, just really, why is he not in prison???
Honestly, I’ve never met anyone as dedicated to Olbermann as Limbaugh’s ditto heads are to him.
I hear ya brother. And here’s some irony for you; the neo-cons have been worshiping Rush as their messiah for a loooong time before Obama ever appeared on the scene. I tend to think that’s where they got the idea to call him OUR messiah…?
… besides, it’s the state legislature that imposes taxes, not the governor…
Because Ahnold has zero responsibility for the laws that he signs or vetoes. /sarcasm
When you can’t vetoe something b/c it’ll pass anyhows, does it really matter? Once again unless Congress (last three years) agreed with it, Bush had no chance of getting anything passed.
Governor is Republican, but his congress is extremely democratic. I’m just amazed that a state that’s taxed that much and that much in debt would realize their economic plans.. ummmm SUCK!!!
I’ve found state congresses to full of more idiots than the federal congress. It kind of amazes me.
I find both congresses full of fvcktards ho only care about re-election due to lack of term limits.
Did you just call me a ho?! *gives ILPB a titty twister* Take that!
California’s largest problem comes from use of the citizen initiative to limit the powers of the legislature and governor. It would be near impossible for California’s legislature to change its tax system even if it wanted to.
Why are you such a rude troll? Butthurt much? Does Ahnold hold a special place in your heart (butt)?
Begone, fu(kweasel!!
*clinks Stoli & lemonade pitchers with Ivan*
It’s 5:30 pm somewhere!!
Hell yeah!
Part of going broke seems to be wanting gov programs and making it impossible to raise taxes to finance them.
wut?
Awesome sauce.
and it’s not even that fake awesome “paste” stuff. Real deal.
They should just nail some illegal immigrants to the poles.
Cheaper than a sign, saves tax dollars both ways, and sends a message.
*cracks open some glo sticks*
Don’t drink that dude. You don’t want glowing poop.
are you kidding BITTER TROLL WANTS GLOWING POOP!!!
I thought that was normal for you?
no crawling poop is normal
My bad.
Fluorescent feces. God, I love this place.
If Charro rubs your tummy does it give off that warm greeney glow??
*pst* brak, we don’t ask those kind of questions around here. We’re afraid we’ll get answers to them. *shudder*
*hugs Ivan* Sorry about that.. We’re just very open that’s all.
Luckily 2/3 of the filth in the state can’t read so they get to ride for free….which is why the state is bankrupt in the first place.
Since you can read, try this on:
SILENCE! I KEEL YOU!
ya damn not americans, when is the pure blood american ahnold going to do something about that? infact lets get superman too, he’s not from america! and then lets watch robot chicken
2/3 of the state can’t read? That explains why I work at a book store And a library in California. And both places seem to be thriving. They must just be there for the pictures.
So you’re claiming 2/3 of the state comes in your book store? That doesn’t seem likely. It IS safe to say that even with the high taxes, the scum are sucking up more than the few who work can pay and it’s also safe to say that people who leach off welfare probably can’t/don’t/have no need to read.
I wore my “I Hate Fu(kweasels” hat just for you, Duh.
Because Illegals get welfare… unless you’re calling legal immigrants scum… which just shows what kind of person you are.
Yes illegal aliens get welfare and yes they’re scum, why do you think where they leave is a 3rd world hell hole and why do you think where ever they end up also becomes a 3rd world hell hole? Because of the scum that lives there….DUH.
“Yes illegal aliens get welfare ”
And you have proof of this? I would LOVE to find out how they manage this.
You know, right about now, I wish you didn’t know how to read either.
I’m wishing he wakes up in a bathtub filled with ice holding a note that says, “call 911, I’ve taken your kidney”.
no no bitter troll just barrowed it!
No, I’m only claiming one third comes to the book store, the other one third got laid off, so they come to the library where books are free. It’s very busy work I tell ya’
and they got laid off because businesses can’t afford to be in a state that is being overrun by illiterate scumbags paid for by people who work and don’t have 5 kids with 5 different guys for the welfare.
Why do liberal idiots whine about all the things they create?
Hrm…Oddly enough, most of the people I know with multiple children by multiple fathers are Republicans. Who support abstinence only education. Also, I know quite a few people from other states who also got laid off. It’s not just this state that was hit by the recession.
Didn’t you know that Scum would take any of these dangerous, unwanted, difficult, low-paying jobs that these “illegal scumbags” (many of whom do pay taxes) take away from hard-working Americans (all of whom, with few exceptions, are themselves descendants of immigrant “scum”)!! I’m going to bet that Scum has a multitude of idiot progeny running around because he doth protest too much.
I find this kind of ironic. People in Cali complain so much about how expensive it is and the taxes and all and yet, as a person whose lived in both NY and Cali I can tell you my state taxes for Cali are about 2/3′s as much as NY. And yet they still expect to fund all these expensive programs like Calgrant and Green initiatives like the one that actually pays for you getting your car fixed if you fail your smog. Sounds like a bunch of whiny people wanting everything for nothing to me. Just putting that out there.
… not sure why it’s “ironic” that people would complain about only being the 4th or 5th highest taxed. (it’s untrue that Cali’s only paying 2/3 of NY. MAYBE 9/10. I haven’t seen this years’ figs.)
a little to ironic….yes i really do think
You idiots! Now you’ll all have to pay Cali’s commenting tax!
Oops…
*chanting*
One of us! One of us!
ps there’s also a Windows tax.
Which is twice as much if you’re running Vista…oh crap.
Socialist Presidictator of PK? Sweet! Can I be secretary of propaganda?
I thought you were already my Secretary of State…
I can multitask.
Well I’d figure as Secretary of State you would be in charge of propaganda already… but hey *hands Rando an engraver* On my cabinet, you get to make your own desk labels!
AH DUN UNNERSTAN Y WE CANT GIT RIDDA ALL TACKSEZ
CANT TEECHERZ SOLJERS GARBAGEGUYZ JUST WURK 4 NUTHIN?
DONT BRAKE ROADZ, BRIGEZ & IT WONT NEED FIXINZ
I H8 POLICE ANYWAYZ
WE KIN PAY 4 IT ALL OUTTA SURPLUS
BARRA MUNY FROM CHINER
Sadly, I almost wish this one were true. I could only hope if it were true then the schools would be in better condition.
oh noes….
This is an inequitable tax. Blind drivers don’t have to pay! Not fair! They should have it in braille in studs on the road too!
It is in braille, its just hard to see it. You have to keep your hand outside the window and read very fast as you’re driving.
And pray you still have that arm after you pass the sign.
Fortunately, if you need braille, reading it isn’t much of an issue.
SEEING it isn’t much of an issue. D’oh!!
Course they could have the Governator’s voice broadcasting the message through a loudspeaker (possibly in Spanish as well) so the blind drivers could hear it..
That’s what I want to hear… a big Austrian guy struggling to speak in spanish.
Hasta la vista, baby!
I hope I never see Vista again!
I live in Texas. They can’t touch me.
Commenting across a state lines tax.
Poor proofreading tax.
Hammer time
That’s humour jim, but not as we know it..
Tax on use of British spelling on American site.
“Wait, so you really think leaving Congress to become president is abandoning his post?”
Rando, I dont know how you hid the reply button to prevent me from putting you in a mental sleeper hold, but, in any case:
No, I dont have much problem with Congressmen running for other offices provided they still do their jobs, but I reject the argument that there is much difference at all between what Obama did and what Palin did. I think Palin will do more good on the national scene. And she already has by labeling the death panels. It puts the argument in focus.
Except for that horrible little thing called facts, that there are no death panels. I like you jim, you don’t degrade into name calling.. but if you take Rush and Palin as advocates of truth, then you seriously need to re-evaluate who you listen to. The death panel issue is bollocks, hence why both conservatives and liberals on this site make fun of it so heavily. Also if you’d look at just about every single health care plan from the private sector, you’ll notice they have the exact same service listed as available.
The death panels remark drives libs crazy, but its pithy and does a great job of focusing the argument. This is exactly what nationalized health care results in, rationing of care. Its unavoidable. It is the only way costs can be cut. Just last week I got an email at work that there was more Swine flu vaccine in, but, I was not a priority patient, and I couldn’t get it.
As for this site, I’d say liberals, moderate liberals, and extreme liberals make fun of it. Thats a good thing, if it wasnt effective they wouldnt care. I had the misfortune of being a news junkie when we only had CBS, NBC, ABC, and PBS. I had no idea how news services twisted the story and selected the “news.” It was only after I heard both sides of the story from guys like Limbaugh that the bias became obvious. I remember David Brinkley marveling at how he had gone from being a liberal to a conservative by the end of his career, and it wasnt because his politics had changed. It was because the news business had become liberal. Rather, Jennings, Brokaw, Cronkite – all big libs. And it wasnt until talk radio that guys like Helms, Gingrich, Lott and Delay had a chance to rebutt some of the slander they had put up with for years.
Darlin’, I’m anything but a liberal and I make fun of it. It’s a way of illustrating absurdity by being absurd, but it doesn’t makeDeath Panels any more real.
You seem moderate with leftist leanings.
Ultimately health care must be rationed and that is what the death panels are all about. Thats exactly what happens all over the world when health care is nationalized. It is part of the culture of death that John Paul II spoke of. Denying care to patients that smoke or are too heavy, encouraging women to abort children with medical issues, denying care to patients at the end of life. It is very real. Like Obama telling that woman her mother should just “take a pain pill” instead of getting a transplant. Choosing who gets care and who does not. I dont want government involved or making decisions for me. I had enough of that in the army, you dont get any choice there either.
“Denying care to patients that smoke or are too heavy, encouraging women to abort children with medical issues”
Or as the health insurance companies call it ‘Pre-existing conditions! No insurance for you!’ And thus no health care as they can’t afford it, anyhow.
Some insurances also encourage the ending of a pregnancy when there is going to be medical issues so they don’t have to pay anything for the care of the child once it’s born. They also find ways to try (and in many cases successfully do) get out of paying for end of life care for seniors or the terminally ill. Infact in those states who have a right to die law, for those terminally ill, they will pay for the patient to die, but not to live on with medication.
Mind you these are some of the private insurance companies, that people are so worried about getting thrown under the bus.
The whole ‘death panals’ spew came about when someone noticed that Obama wants to ensure people are able to get counseling on the end of life care which is common in many insurance companies. You get old eventually, or in some sad cases, you are terminally ill. To have someone able to help lay things out with you so you know what will happen, and can be comfortable with it, without having to pay an arm and a leg for said counseling, I’d think would be comforting to people. My Grandfather had that same thing when he was at the end of his time, and he had chosen on being able to pass away at home under hospice care.
Obama wanted to ensure counseling the same way the IRS ensures you pay taxes. That is, at the point of a gun. By force. Unhappy with your insurance? Get another carrier. Think you can do it better than they? Start your own insurance company and learn firsthand. You can’t get away from the federal government. A few weeks ago my state demanded to be told where I went to college to perform jury duty. I told them it was none of their business. I was cited for contempt of court and put in a cell all day. I easily could have been held over in a public city cell had the trial gone on more than a day. The census is no different, if you are sent a census questionaire and refuse to provide the information, you can be imprisoned for months. To quote the Wire, “thats how they do.” There is nothing wrong with our health care system that can’t be fixed by expanding competition among the providers. I am not willing to chip away at the constitution or give anyone more control over my life. Libertat!
I know this doesn’t fit with yout reality, but it was not Obama, but a Replublican senator who wanted to include the end of life counseling (what you are calling death panels). His experience with his father’s death made him realize how little most people know about their options when terminally ill, meaning such things as hospice and living wills.
And it was an OPTION — his amendment just required that it be offered.
“There is nothing wrong with our health care system that can’t be fixed by expanding competition among the providers.”
Well isn’t that what the public OPTION will do? It will be competition for all of the private health insurance companies.
Competition that’s supposed to have some laws to help ensure those who are covered by it don’t get screwed over royally. Like you know, not getting covered by pre-existing conditions, having things changed on your policy without notice, or even getting dropped without notice.
But still it’s currently in development as an OPTION, as many people seem to forget. And I can support a public option. Perhaps I could finally get health care without having to worry if I can afford something out of pocket. Thanks to asthma both my kid and I are considered un-insurable. Have you any idea what it’s like to see your child get sick, and have to hope that they don’t get so sick they need to go to the doctors? Or that I won’t catch it myself so that if I have to pay for anyone I just have to pay for his bills, and not his AND mine? Sure this makes me a bit biased on the whole public option. I can admit that, but as things stand now I can say something DOES need to be done about it so that everyone can get health care.
“A moderate with leftist leanings”
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!
I’ll let the others answer on this one
Guys, am I even remotely leftist?
From what I’ve read on here while in lurkdom…(The arguments in here can get quite amusing) No.
I dunno…She is a fairy after all. Although I don’t usually pop into the comments sections on PK that often I’m not truly able to comment either way, but from the looks of things Jim is new around here and therefore even less able to comment than I am. Certainly nothing in this thread has pointed her to being Leftist, unless being rational is now a party trait? Woohoo! We get the rational ones! /kicks Michael Moore out of the party
You should look for Michael Moore’s interview with Sean Hannity. Moore actually comes off as a decent human being. Misguided, but decent. You could have knocked me over with a feather.
What really annoys you is not that Moore is a liberal polemicist, but that he’s richer than you are!
No, Moore got under my skin because he is the master of the cheap shot. I forget which one of his “documentaries” had the interviews with the wounded soldiers, but those guys were hot after they saw how he twisted their words. It was Fahrenheit 911. A bunch of Clinton’s people put together a response to it, a real eye-opener. Ron Silver, Mayor Koch, and Clinton’s political adviser were in it. They went back and interviewed those soldiers and they blasted Moore.
Note where I describe him as a polemicist; you don’t expect them to be unbiassed. If you don’t want them to give a biassed representation of your views, either insist on the right to view and censor the completed work, or don’t give the interview. Don’t complain afterwards!
Michael Moore will never be richer than I. He doesn’t seem very happy at all.
Come to think of it, I seem to remember that Moore took interviews that had already been done by someone else and re-edited them to make them appear to be something they were not. And he would have gotten away with it, had it not been for the response video. These were veterans who sacrificed for their country and they deserved better.
I don’t like Moore, he should take a shower.
bitter troll is sure moore is rolling around in his big pile of money, crying about how evil money is and it should be given away, then orders 12 big macs and thinks of new ways to distort the truth to fit his own agenda
I haven’t been commenting on here too long but if Froo is a moderate with any sort of leanings, especially liberal, then I’m a white supremist skinhead.
I had no idea! The hammer and sickle is usually associated with Russian communists. Although there is a significant skinhead presence in Moscow. Froo is a moderate, but not a moderate like GWB, more like Liberman. In the great state of Texas, however, she borders on flaming liberalism. Its relative.
And you’ve been in the Kool-Aid again, haven’t you? And it’s heavily laced with hallucinogens.
That is a hammer and sickle is it not? It always surprises me that the left falls over themselves in horror at a swastika, yet display the symbols of communism proudly. I have never understood that.
It’s a veggie hammer and sickle. And I proudly display it because I am a Russian, born & bred, and I am a dirty, dirty socialist, corrupted at a very young age by, what those of your ilk called, the Evil Empire. I’ve never hidden that fact. Good day, sir.
I went back to get the example one of the last to die fleeing from East Berlin, where there were at least someone there to report it, whereas many who died in Russia had no one to tell their story:
Berlin paid tribute Thursday to the last person shot trying to cross the Berlin Wall. Chris Gueffroy died in a hail of bullets as he tried to flee East Germany on the night of Feb. 5-6, 1989. He was the last person to fall victim to the East German policy of shooting people trying to flee across the Berlin Wall — although more were to die trying to escape from East Germany before the borders were opened on Nov. 9, 1989.
Oh, and how do your snide little comments to me relate to you erroneously calling Froo a moderate?
No comments were meant to be snide, not today. I didnt know you were from Russia, either. It makes me believe you are young and did not live under communism as an adult. Adults who did dont have a positive impression of the place. Russians were still shooting people who tried to leave it in 1989, probably after that even. Froo called herself a moderate a while back, although I think she has called herself a conservative as well. In either case, she is probably not a lib or a good person, uh, I mean not a conservative. She seems more middle-of-the-road.
Never understood how people could identify themselves so strongly with either the liberal or conservative party. That’s just beyond me.
“Russians were still shooting people who tried to leave it in 1989, probably after that even.”
Yes, that’s how we got out – dead. Give me a break.
“Adults who did dont have a positive impression of the place”
And you know this from PERSONALLY talking to former Soviets? I doubt it. Every single Russian/Soviet that I know, myself included, has mixed feelings about the USSR. The same way that the citizens of most countries have mixed feelings about their homeland.
And, BTW, the USSR was not “communist”; it was Soviet Socialist, especially after Stalin took over.
Acknowledged, Komrad Kommisaar!
If you did not know that people were still trying to escape the Soviet Union and were being shot, then you should find out. Its important to remember. A lot of brave Russian citizens died or spent years in prison for you to “get out.” Do I know this from personally talking to Soviets? Yes, I know it from working with them. But one need not experience everything personally to understand. No doubt there are feelings for the mother Russia, but for communism and the Soviet Union? Most of those who long for the old days know only the wreckage that remains of Russia now.
Communism is socialism, so believed the Bolsheviks, and Marx and Engles. Lenin was no better than Stalin, although perhaps not as proficient a murderer as Stalin. But Stalin was his boy right up to the end. And if not Lenin or Stalin, another monster would have appeared. Socialism / Communism begets them.
“If you did not know that people were still trying to escape the Soviet Union and were being shot, then you should find out.”
Wow. You’re an arrogant prick, aren’t you. Don’t give me your smug lectures, Jim. You don’t know how old I am. You have NO idea what my family and I have gone through in the USSR or in the US. So don’t even presume to tell me what I know or what “should find out”.
“Communism is socialism”
No, they aren’t. Communism is a theory that has never been implemented with communities of more than a thousand, regardless of the scare tactics of the Cold War:
Socialism may be established by force, as in the old Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR), or by vote, as in Nazi (National Socialist) Germany. The extent of socialism may be complete, as in the former USSR, or partial, as experienced in the United States of America. The basic principle, in all cases, is the same.
You are right that don’t know you or your family. But you are confusing the original concept of communes with Communism as defined by Lenin, the Bolsheviks, and Marx and Engles. They defined the two as the same.
That you deny or did not know that people were getting shot trying to escape the Soviet Union leads me to believe you are young. It is hard to believe it was still happening so few years ago, but I remember it.
In case you did not see it above –
I went back to get the example one of the last to die fleeing from East Berlin, where there were at least someone there to report it, whereas many who died in Russia had no one to tell their story:
Berlin paid tribute Thursday to the last person shot trying to cross the Berlin Wall. Chris Gueffroy died in a hail of bullets as he tried to flee East Germany on the night of Feb. 5-6, 1989. He was the last person to fall victim to the East German policy of shooting people trying to flee across the Berlin Wall — although more were to die trying to escape from East Germany before the borders were opened on Nov. 9, 1989.
“That you deny or did not know that people were getting shot trying to escape the Soviet Union leads me to believe you are young. It is hard to believe it was still happening so few years ago, but I remember it.”
I never denied it. I would never deny it. All I said was that was that was not our experience, which would NEVER indicate my age or a denial of facts. But in your little world that’s apparently the only one could get out of the USSR. You have NO personal experience with this so do not lecture to me and presume that I am ignorant on the subject of the Eastern Block. All this lecturing down to me because of your assumption of my age (with ZERO basis for that ASSumption) makes you a patronizing prick.
“But you are confusing the original concept of communes with Communism”
No, I’m not. Once again, Communism has never been implemented on a national level. It is a theory. Just because a country says it’s Communist doesn’t mean that it is.
Well, if you are older, and from the USSR, and believe that Communism has never been implemented on a national scale, I would not presume you were ignorant on the subject of the Eastern Block. I would presume you were far more accomplished and ignorant on many subjects.
Ahahahaha! That’s funny! YOU calling me ignorant. Since you have not been able to come up with a single argument that Communism WAS implemented you have to point a finger to draw attention away from your cluelessness. For somebody that has more than likely NEVER read The Communist Manifesto you sure do spout on and on about the implementation of Communism. Try this on for size, maroon:
Capitalism is a pre-requisite. His hypothesis/theory is that Socialism and Communism will evolve from Capitalism when the working class (defined as those who sell their labor) overthrow and rule the upper class (defined as those who own the means of production). Russia went straight from feudalism under the Romanov dynasty to “socialism” under Lenin. There are many good arguments contemporary to Lenin on why this wasn’t possible, but the strongest argument is that capitalism and democracy had not first been established. Furthermore, Marx’s 10 planks have never been fully implemented. And when partially implemented not without corruption or supply hoarding, which would NEVER exist under Communism. Thus, the USSR AND China were, are and have always been Socialist.
Obviously I am a Trotskiyite and guilty of provocation. I denounce myself and all my activities of sabotage, comrade.
Yes, I suffered through the Communist Manifesto years ago and plenty of Lenin’s writings, but I never believed that drivel. Nor did I buy into the communist propensity to keep changing the name and acting like it was a completely different line of thought that could not be compared to the previous failed incarnation (i.e. socialism, communism, marxism, nazism, fascism, menshevikism, bolshevikism, leninism, trotskiyism, stalinism, maoism, bobism, perestroika) The only real point of the distinctions seems to be the intent of preventing the discussion of any of them and their faults.
But thanks for bringing up painful memories of having to memorize Marx’s stages of communism. That was something I had completely put out of my head.
I must say, froofrou, I’m a looooong time lurker and his comment made me spew coffee all over my screen. I believe jim owes me a screen protector and another double double Timmy’s!!!!
Froo, liberal? Riiiiight. Then John McCain is a communist, Teddie Kennedy was a neo-Nazi, and Olympia Snow is an extremist of some sort!
You are on the right track, grasshopper. John McCain is a loose cannon, Teddy Kennedy was a disgrace and an embarassment to the Catholic Church, and Olympia Snow is a rino and probably not long for the party. Good effort though. When you can grab the pebble from my hand, it will be time for you to leave.
*grabs froo’s pebble and hands her a brick* Here, try it again with this.
Ouch! Hey… Owwww. Okay, Okay.
you know it helps if you shoot him in the leg first, then he forgets all about the pebble……lucky bitter troll always carries gun,
troll second amendment : the right to carry weapons, All free citizens will be allowed free rights to carry blade firearms and crushing tools, to defend themselves, their troll kingdom, and to kill things that need killing. No attempts to hinder this law will ever be attempted, less the one attempting will feel the pain of death.
“less the one attempting will feel the pain of death”
I thought you ate those attemptors?
we eat them in troll kingdom alive, they feel the pain of being all eated up
As the nesting was so far nested I couldn’t reply there “is probably not a lib or a good person, uh, I mean not a conservative. She seems more middle-of-the-road.”
So someone who doesn’t follow limbaugh like he is the most awesome person on earth (which he’s not, by the way), and to you limbaugh is the standard of conservatism; isn’t a good person?
Well, obviously, Diss. But you are not a card-carrying dirty Liberal so you can’t come to the meetings or get discounts at Whole Foods.
Welcome to California. Our legislature can’t control its spending, with is obviously YOUR FAULT. Have a sudden 10% hike in your withholding tax. HOPE you aren’t living paycheck-to-paycheck already. Here’s your CHANGE.
It would actually be more appropriate on a Massachusetts sign. One of the alternate spellings is Taxachusetts.
Ooooh! Burly scottsman! Do you have a kilt? Are you wearing it properly?
Dude– I live here!
damn new taxes…
*gets out wallet*
Would this be a bad time to tell him that he’s just fallen under the “Making your spellchecker commit suicide” tax?
Also the excessive use of capital letters tax.
Oh dear, what a tragic fellow he is. Surely there is something we can do to ease his suffering mind. He is clearly suffering from the same brain sickness that former President George W Bush suffers from.
Have you tried simply leaving them in the hotel ice machine?
Well… perhaps there’s some kind of “deal” we could work out on this?
*shows a little leg*
Froo I think you’ve found the best way to ostracize trolls…. ever.
But how do you know he wasn’t speaking in all capitals?
“IM THE DECIDER ME!”
I hate to have to respectfully disagree with you dear, but watching former President Bush for all those years ( as im sure you did too ) . He was still human and got fussy a few times. That and im sure when his teenage daughters when out and got drunk as many teenage daughters do ( just acting like girls, i remember those days before i found acid ) Im sure there was plenty of yelling in the White House that night.
YOU STUPID LIBERALX THINK THATS ROUGH< NOW OBAMA HAS A TROLL REPLIED TOO TAX< NOT ONLY ARE YOU PAYING TO RESPOND TO ME BUT I HAVE TO HAVE MY HARD EARNED MONEY CAUSE I HAVE A JOB< MONEY TAKEN OR FACE PRISON EVERY TIME YOU RESPOND TO ME
That “night”? Clearly you never followed the Bush girls… that would have to be “nights” or “weeks”.
Sweetie, after all the drugs i have fed my brain, nights and weeks bleed togther to become the same thing.
YEAH! find us a sex tape while your at it, them or the palin daughters! they are all lookers
*nods sagely* Fair enough.
I clearly remember the late 50′s early 60′s. Then i became a teenager..its a lil blurry. But i clearly recall most of the 90′s and recent years.
Oh.. well in that case ILPB owes me a titty twister…. Go ahead ILPB, I promise not to enjoy it….. too much.
**takes out jumper cables** ok Max lift up the shirt!!! I left of the w of who… so no you ain’t my ho…. YET!
Oh but Daddy… *lifts up his shirt* Be gentle… it’s my first time.
That’s why you buy the ice beforehand. Nobody will think much about you buying a few dozen bags of ice.
What can I say? Behind closed doors… Jane and are very liberal.
Jane and I*
So now Max are you calling yourself a blank space?
That’s fine, cause I did.
That’s bad for those of us who know every freckle and curve of you because watch you in the showe- I mean… I’m your OBGYN…. I’m your doctor… seriously!
*hands froo froo a gimp mask*
*pays tax*
You’re a festering butt infection full of pus.
Ah, money well spent.
Failing to ignore trolls tax
Uh oh keithy, you just fell victim to the imposing taxes on others tax.
Hmmm you’re going to make me go look up the post where I laid out everyone’s jobs in my cabinet…. Dang… which one was it?
Maybe she’s secretary of defense?
It’s OK, I can claim it back. I’ve got a good accountant. He’s SO reading this thread..
And maybe a six pack of beer, or your drink of choice so it looks like your having a party. Then you also have something to drink while you work. If you’re feeling generous you can leave them a beer for when they wake up in excruciating pain.
*collapses next to froo in ze giggles*
Or secretary of Offense? That sounds like a good thing to do with a big board with a nail in it.