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Your mother gave birth to a thought disordered person.
Maybe they suffer from “Reality Deficit Disorder”
Known as “RIDD” – their mothers couldn’t get ridd of them fast enough.
Damn, that kid is RICH!
that much money in american most likely translates to $2.50. making him the richest person in his country
Mr. President:
For the love of whatever god you worship, STOP SPENDING MONEY WE DON’T HAVE.
And while you’re at it, get the f*** out of the way of our achievers.
I thought fail boaters were are the other page?
That’s not fair! The sports page is trying really hard.
“whatever god you worship”
If obama was not christain, why was he going to that church with the crazy ass rev. wright for all those years?
The idea that Jeremiah Wright is even remotely Christian — regardless of what he says — is nuts.
In Chicago, especially on the south side, the “reverends” — black ministers leading nearly all-black churches — hold tremendous political power. Had he not ingratiated himself with this group, not only would Obama have not been able to make a name for himself, he would have been thrown out of town. Joining this crackpot’s church — which isn’t even all that nutty, by “reverend” standards — was purely political.
So you dont believe crazy man wright believes in christ as the son of god and lord ?
I doubt it, but he might — but that by itself isn’t enough to be Christian.
then what hoops does someone has to jump through to be considered in your opinion?
do you have a check list?
Yep — the Fifteen *crack* uh, Ten Commandments!
IMO, it’s more than just the intellectual belief that Jesus is the son of God; it’s also the belief that all that stuff Jesus said about morality and virtue and how to join him in heaven was basically right. So far, I haven’t seen Wright say much that seems to fit with that picture, so while he might say that Jesus is the son of God, I don’t think he’s exactly carried that thought to its logical conclusion.
Using your criteria then, I can honestly say I have never met a “real” christian. (Not saying one doesn’t exist, just that I have never met one.)
Look again — I didn’t say anything about being perfect, about always getting it right, or even about interpreting the rules the same way.
Fair enough. My comment was probably a bit inflammatory as I have a thing about organized religion (not Christian per se). I apologize. Can I send you a beer?
A Canadian beer? From Canadia? Yes, please!
its all moot anyways, to learn the one true religion clicky the bitter troll’s name
Hmmm… I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Of course! We only drink the best up here.
The website for the one true religion is apparently for sale Bitter.
try the linky a now
*sigh* I wish Wright had a different first name.
what if we called him Rev. WrightING his crazyassness
As long as we don’t call him Jeremiah.
I agree with the first part, but how is he “getting in the way of our achievers”?
Boater is referring to the Little Lebowski Urban Achievers. Obama has said that he will not allow any LLUA while he is president unless the Dude gets his rug back.
the Dude abides.
That rug really pulled the room together….
Obviously you’re not a golfer.
Nice marmot
Hey, careful, man, there’s a beverage here!
Do you think I’m married, for Christ Sake the seat is up.
Nobody fvcks with the Jesus!
well one day you will meet a nice girl and all that will change
Why do you boys have to use all those curse words…..
The f*ck you talkin’ about?
But the rug is a Belgian LIE!!!!
And proud we are of all of them.
Good Point! Mr President, feel free to pass whatever legislation needed to get our money back from those movie stars, athletes, and mega corporations, and then spend it to give people healthcare, education, transportation, food, clothing, and shelter! And use those democrat achievers in Congress to make it happen!
democrat achievers in Congress making stuff happen… *shudders*
The Nazi party made things happen too.
ELEBENITY!!! TOO SOON!!! Taking care of a car costs money!!!
It’s called a BUUUUUUUUUUUUUURQAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
9:11
No sorry it’s 2:50….
But is it 2:50 in Belgium? That’s what I want to know!
its always 2:50 in belgium….its a magical land filled with flying puppy dogs and singing unicorns. amish pirates and dancing hooters girls
And it’s never happy hour.
Its 21:00 in Belgium.
Oh, you Godwined all over yourself, And here we are without any Spray & Wash!
Our money??? If someone EARNED the money it’s THEIR money, not “ours”. Why don’t you go live in China if you think it’s the government’s job to GIVE people anything. I have transportation, and housing and all those other things because I W O R K and pay for them just like people in this country have for the last 233 years, maybe you should try it some time you f&%king leach. By the way, we have the highest corporate taxes in the world and 90% of the individual taxes are already paid by only 10% of those evil rich people you pathetic losers whine about. Of course, to people like you, anyone with a job is “rich”.
You pay for your own roads, police, army, etc?
But I don’t want to go live in China! They’re even more capitalist than the U.S.
Not only that, but you’re stuck eating Chinese food all the time. ALL THE TIME!!!1!!!11
You must be hungry every 30 minutes.
and everyone is dubbed over, so their mouths dont match their words
BUT, everyone was kun foo fighting do do do do dooo do doooooo…..
with moves as fast as lighting?
Well, according to some old racist fvck who shopped at my store, China is the same as (and I quote) “Japland,” which is where all the tools are made now. When he was reminded that most of the tools are made in China, and not Japan, he said, “Whatever, it’s the same thing.”
Yeeeeeeaaaah, I’m almost 99.99% sure it’s not.
I would like him to tell that to someone from those tw countries. That could get amusing.
HOW: I’m tired of this myth that China is more capitalistic than us. Their government is an oppurtunistic government that uses capitalism to gain itself money, however the sociio economic structure within the country is communistic/ socialistic.
I respectfully disagree with you. They’re very capitalist. Their “minimum wage” is exactly = to what the market will sustain. The government does not provide much of anything to its citizens: with the move to a market economy things that were once provided by state-run companies are no longer being offered by the privately owned firms. It’s almost exactly like the true capitalist economies of Europe and the U.S. during the Industrial Revolution, before unions and worker protection legislation. Companies are no longer owned by the state. Their political structure is a one-party dictatorship, which only makes China’s market economy more successful because everything gets done quickly.
So the Government controls the salaries, the Government controls the business (dictatorship), Government provides health care, government limits number of children………….
The government does not control the salaries nor does it really provide healthcare or controls business. Please to reread my post. China is very much a market economy because the government does NOT provide its citizens with much of anything (and neither do the PRIVATELY owned companies). Dictatorship =/= socialism.
minimum wage = government controlled salary.
you don’t think the government doesn’t control what the companies can and can not make, distribute, to whom, etc…..
The CEO of a “Privately” held comapny was executed for using lead based paint. Sorry you can call it a capitalisitic dictatorship all you want, but it reeks of Soviet Russia and the Eastern Block.
Maybe not the definition of Commmunism in Marx’s book, but definitely not a captialistic society.
“you don’t think the government doesn’t control what the companies can and can not make, distribute, to whom, etc”
No, not only do I not think that, I’m pretty sure that’s not the case.
We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this.
Ok… let’s go get a beer…..
I remember debating this with someone else a while back — my point was that, while the broader economy is not capitalist, as an individual, I’m free to pretty much do whatever the hell I want, so at the micro level, I might as well be living in a pure capitalist state.
Wow you see the point to some liberals here is that it really isn’t the person’s money, but the government’s money that the government let’s you have. Money is not earned but given, won, etc…. To some individuals if you want to keep what you “earn” you’re a greedy selfish prick who does not care for your fellow man. I on the other feel that there has to be some taxation, however the level at which this administration will achieve is TOO FAR!
I took the Scrooge off my name. Clearly “wow” here has earned it. Okay, Trollie McTrolltrollson, why do you conservatrolls think that liberals are all unemployed? Are you under the misguided belief that if someone becomes employed they will automatically embrace all conservative ideals? That’s pretty fvcking stupid. I mean incredibly fvcking stupid. I think what I’m getting at here is…you’re stupid.
If you actually have a point besides your troll rallying cries of “move to China” and “I werk for mah monies” please let us know. Otherwise, I’ll have to ask you to STFUGTFOESADITOP ™ .
the conservatrolls are restless tonight rando, tred carefully.
and remember, protesting is only ok when your protesting obama…
BT COME ON!! That protesting thing is annoying. We can turn around and say “protesting is only ok when it’s Bush bashing!!!” Seriously dude….
really? when did bitter troll say that at all?
ever?
infact bitter troll has mentioned he didnt care for the bush bashing protests that much either…
…stop putting words in the bitter trolls mouth.
ALL that bitter troll said was the tea baggers stood silent when bush spent MORE money, but the moment a liberal got into office ( only reason he did get into office was the fact people wanted something anti-bush) it became cool to protest him
STOP PUTTING WORDS IN BITTER TROLLS MOUTH
YOU WILL NOT WIN THAT WAY
*puts cookie in Bitter Troll’s mouth instead*
There, better?
“protesting is only ok when your protesting obama” said in a sarcastic manner, which implies what I said.
AND AND AND: It really was cool to protest Obama when he came into office, b/c prior to that you really couldn’t protest much.
…unless you wanted to end up in Gitmo. Yeah. I went there. *runs for his life*
money isnt stupid, holding money in the highest above all and not careing about anything BUT money is stupid.
Okay, the world of finance and economics is stupid. Money is just fvcked up.
Yeah, I wish the entire world would just relax and act a bit more like me- if everyone didn’t stress and flip out or worry as much as I don’t, then the we wouldn’t need war or enough warheads to wipe out our ENTIRE PLANET.
However, since most of our species are conniving little bastards, that ain’t gonna happen…
But if you have Two jobs they negate each other and you go back to being a liberal.
Well, if you have two jobs, you certainly aren’t successful, so you clearly have failed in your bootstrap pulling upping.
Jee, thanks! *runs off crying*
Conservatively speaking, you should be crying, you nonbootstrapper puller upper…whatever. LOL
It’s okay, DU, we can be failures together. *pets DU’s hair* It’ll be okay.
idiot who clearly doesn’t understand economics. Sigh.
Please, o wise one, explain to us the virtues of massive deficit spending…
Right after you explain massive defense spending.
And how cutting taxes increases revenue….
Cutting taxes increases revenue because the people have more money to spend, and generally, people are more willing to spend (put money back into the economy) if they have that extra cash, even if it’s only a hundred bucks or so.
Really optimistic math you’re using. If I cut your taxes $100, I do not get $100 back from you spending that $100.
It can stimulate the economy IF you cut taxes for people who will actually spend that money.
That’s true, but over the course of time, if you are getting that extra $100 monthly (for example), it’s not long before you realize that you have extra to spend on things you normally wouldn’t be able to do (i.e. going to the movie where that $100 will just about pay for the evening.)
“It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now … Cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus.”
– John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962 <<<<<DEMOCRAT
"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government."
– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 17, 1963 <<<<<DEMOCRAT
"It is no contradiction – the most important single thing we can do to stimulate investment in today's economy is to raise consumption by major reduction of individual income tax rates."
– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 21, 1963 <<<<<DEMOCRAT
"A tax cut means higher family income and higher business profits and a balanced federal budget. Every taxpayer and his family will have more money left over after taxes for a new car, a new home, new conveniences, education and investment. Every businessman can keep a higher percentage of his profits in his cash register or put it to work expanding or improving his business, and as the national income grows, the federal government will ultimately end up with more revenues."
– John F. Kennedy, Sept. 18, 1963 <<<<<DEMOCRAT
do you get it yet? there's a lot more where that came from.
Yes, I see you have lots of opinions on the subject. I was talking about actual facts.
It is an actual fact just like it’s an actual fact that Massachusetts raised it’s sales tax from 5% to 6.25% and the revenue went DOWN because people said fvck this and started spending their money elsewhere.
Of course the libtards that run this state were surprised just like they were when they raised the cigarette tax and lost even more. Some people never learn.
wow, You just described the reason for having uniform tax codes. Not what you were intending to argue.
That’s cheating, Bitter…
But I think this JFK guy was a democrat aka a libtard and therefore he has no idea what he was talking about, so we should just ignore him and start raising taxes.
People said “fvck this” over a 1.25% tax increase? They went to ANOTHER STATE over 1.25%? Even in a little state like Mass, driving to another state to buy stuff would cost more than that 1.25% in gas, with the only exception I can think of being a car. So why did they raise the sales tax? I’m guessing for some program that actually helps people. No, not that!
It helps plenty of people — those people just happen to be unionized, redundant state employees. Massachusetts is ridiculously broke and horribly managed.
It doesn’t take long for 1.25% to start adding up, especially when prices are high to begin with. (And it’s not just families making Costco runs — when you start talking about buying TVs, furniture, etc., the sales tax makes a real difference.)
Well, Dhoti, you’ve touched on my biggest issue with government. I think having good programs is a good idea and is good. Did I mention it’s good? My issue is that too many are mismanaged. We should be fixing programs, not ditching them. If Mass is that poorly managed (I haven’t been there, I don’t know), then that needs to be fixed.
Apparently, we should be taking economic policies that were in vogue in 1963 as our recommendations for today.
Be careful about that, I think I saw on the History Channel that something bad happened to that guy he’s quoting….
Why not? Our government seems to be committed to reliving the 70s…
YOU ARE NO REQUIRED TO WEAR GOVERMENT ISSUED BELLBOTTOMS
[sings] In the naaaaavy…
Do we have to disco? I don’t want to disco.
Tell you what, Dhoti, if things get as bad as during Carter’s administration, then I’ll owe you a Coke.
what about disco with hot chicks?
I can think of better things to do with hot chicks.
like water polo!
Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
SOrry, had to double check this, but the top bracket paid over twice the tax rate when JFK took office as it does now. So even if his opinions are justified, they aren’t relevant to current times. Unless, of course, you’re suggesting that we return to THOSE tax rates….
Tax people with more? so people with less have a little more so they can spend that little more and thus stimulate the economy?
SOCIALIST!!!!
Won’t the people you tax (business owners) just get the money back in the form of profits from us poor working slobs when we spend that extra money which would have previously been paid in taxes?
I’m not an economist, I’m a Belgain MURDERER!!2!
But we can buy beer with it before it goes back to the owners of business.
Then we tax the profits and give it back to the people and we keep the cycle going! Everyone wins!
FTW!!!!
Unintentionally, that’s exactly what he did. All that anger at the liberals must be frying the neural pathways.
mmmm do you smell that… fried neural pathways, best served with ketchup (mayo in Europe).
Apparently his ended up burned a little.
@wow
Your post makes me even MORE confused as to why many conservatives I’ve met say that JFK was an “idiot”, a “fraud”, and ” had he not been shot he would’ve been considered one of the worst presidents in the history of the United States”.
No lie. These are ACTUAL quotes from conservative friends of mine. Yet everyday I meet more and more right wingers online who LIKE JFK.
See my confusion?
Most spending comes from high earners, just like most tax revenues come from high earners. Are you arguing *for* the cuts, then?
That depends on how you define ‘spending’ and ‘high earners.’ I know that if someone makes $40K a year and you give him $1K, he’s much more likely to spend it immediately than someone who makes $400,000 a year.
if obama spent a dollar to get a moutain dew, people would be protesting outside the white house.
Bush could spend all he wants, these people didnt say crap at all, cept ” IF YOU DONT SUPPORT BUSH YOUR A COMMIE!!! AHH ANTI- AMERICAN!! PROTESTING THE GOVERMENT IS WRONG!!!”
BT: Kind of wrong. Why do you think Bush’s approval rating was below 30%, yet 55% of the country calls itself conservative? People did not like Bush’s spending, especially on social programs. I think you’re spending too much time listening to the loud obnoxious few rather than rational many.
It’s be like a conservative saying “If you critisize Obama you’re labelled a racist by liberals”
no no, if you say obama wants a banana your saying racist things, if you say you dont agree with what he’s doing, your having a opinion
how many tea parties against bush’s spending did you see?
There wasn’t room at the Inn due to the anti-war, anti-christian, anti-Bush rallies all over the place. Also Bush didn’t spend 750 Billion in one stroke of the pen.
But what if Obama wants a banana? They’re high in potasium, and he looks like he works out a lot. Gets rid of that lactic acid…..
he didnt? could of sworn when he went to war with two countries at once he might of just did that…no..no wait thats MORE then 750 billion isnt it?
and those anti-war people are STILL there..the anti-bush would still be there if he was still there. and anti-christian?….really? your not jokeing huh? thats just the stoopidest thing anyone has said on here in a while.
As far as money spent, yes the war did cost that much, but comparing a war (just because you don’t personally like it) to the stimulus package (just because you do) is silly, and pretending that there isn’t a very vocal hatred for religion by a few is stupid too.
BT: Had you been to DC during the Bush Administration? The Anti-Bush rallies included all three; “No Blood for Oil”, “Bush lied they died”, “Take the Cross out of your politics”, “Impeach Bush”, “Bush: Leave the White House and Take Your religion”……. it was BRUTAL, not even close to what was done at the Tea Parties.
but i can say the same thing but reversed about your arguement cant i?
and really…was people tripping over all the anti-religion protests going on in washington? i think i heard of a few assholes standing on streetcorners..mostly people pointed and laughed like they was drooling retards
It’s easier to just forget about the crazies on one’s own side.
Yes yes you could say the same thing, if I had made that argument. Peanut just said that conservatives didn’t like the stimulus package.
crazy liberals? no such thing..wait this peta person just handed me a paper about how my mom is a murderer for making stew last night…seems bunnies are more important then me…didnt know..anyways no way a liberal can ever say anything untrue at all, hey a micheal moore movie lets go watch..its called ” i love money, your money”..well good movie bitter troll learned alot..anyways the anti bush people was angry over the wars and attempts to teach religion in classrooms. might of been a good idea if they taught MY religion, but yours? thats just plain silly.
never said they was not allowed to not like it, said i find it amuseing they cry about obama spending, but act like bush never spent or wasted a dime. No Obama dont piss gold and no one here ever believed it at all.
really? bitter troll though the idea of prop 8 was trying to define marrage and love
So the concept of “love” is a good reason to pass legislation, but the concept of “keeping America safe” was automatically a lie?
BT: I find it more entertaining that when people protest Obama they’re ridiculed by the same people who screamed it was their right and they had courage to protest Bush. Seems hypocritical to me. Just like you think it’s hypocritical that there were no Tea Parties under Bush. However it was a bit late when he signed his 200 Billion Bail Out.
has bitter troll ever defended the people who protested bush?
bitter troll found them rather offensive , the impeach bush and bush is a criminal stuff? rambleings of insane people.
dont assume
ILPB says:”Had you been to DC during the Bush Administration?….it was BRUTAL, not even close to what was done at the Tea Parties.”
“There’s a village in Kenya missing it’s IDIOT”
“Obama the Furer”
“One Big Ass Mistake America”
“Water the trees of liberty with the blood of tyrants”
“We cant fix stupid but we can vote it out”
“Obamacare *insert picture of African witch doctor here*”
“Our tax money given to Hamas to kill Christians, Jews, and Americans.”
“The American taxpayers are the Jews for Obama’s ovens.”
No where near huh?
BT I never said you defended them, I’m just saying I find it ironic that people who are now bashing the Tea Parties are some of the same people calling the Bush protests American.
I apologize for not making it clear I wasn’t necesarily calling you one.
Knowledge: Do you REALLY want me to come out with the Anti-Bush stuff? I didn’t even have to search for the ones I came up with, those were out on a regular basis.
To be perfectly fair on that, I’ve seen “village in Texas missing its idiot”, too.
I don’t entirely get why either side has to be so extreme or so hateful.
@ILPB – But did they reach the degree that the teabag protests reached before the end of Bush’s first year? We (ebil dirty liberals) had 8 years to reach that level.
*ASSUMING you’re correct*
How does that make being a d-bag any more justified?
ILBP: You think I searched for those? That’s just the few I saw at protest in my state.
Diss: BOTH sides have had those signs, I know. My point was that both the protest parties have their fair share of douchebags and nutjobs.
@Bitter Wino: There was hatred from the beginning for some people. As Diss put it, the extremes on both sides are filled with hatred. It’s the middle we have to worry about being cordial to each other. I just get annoyed with the intolerance on BOTH sides with protesting. If someone wants to protest it’s their right to do so, regardless of which fence they sit on.
My rule on protests of any kind: You guys have fun…just DON’T fvcking mess up traffic on my way to or from work, m’kay? ….aaaaand, we’ll all get along.
Hell yeah. Let ‘em protest. It gets the douchebaggery out of their system. They can go home with a nice cosy glow and maybe not kick the cat.
You have that backwards, for a couple of reasons. Mainly, the person making $400K is much more likely to be financially comfortable than the person making $40K, so the need to save or invest it is going to be lower. Also, in either case, the marginal value of it is much lower to the person making $400K.
I dunno, if you gave a guy who makes 40k per year $1k he’s gonna say “Woohoo, I can buy BluRay and new tires for the family sedan!”
A guy who makes 400k barely notices the extra thousand bucks and it just sits in his savings or checking account until he gathers an amount worth his attention and he invests it all in the market.
I don’t fully understand how investing in the stock market creates jobs although supposedly it does….but I know buying goods/services creates jobs.
Now if the 40k guy is financially strapped to begin with, he just might save the money for when his car breaks down. Income is not the only variable.
When you say he’s going to buy tires, do you mean that as an obligation — like they’re getting worn, but he couldn’t afford to replace them yet — or as a splurge — like he’s going to get some dubs to go with his new blu-ray player?
If you’re saying he’s going to immediately blow his windfall on non-essential crap, then I don’t think that’s right.
I meant tires that were worn down and maybe he was holding off because he had to choose between new tires or food for the kids.
Maybe the BluRay player is non-essential crap, but it’s something he can buy to make his life a little happier in some small way.
Okay, now I see what you’re getting at — the $40K guy is more likely to need the money for essentials (the power bill, the credit card bill, a set of tires) than the $400K guy. I agree with that, but I also don’t think that kind of spending necessarily stimulates the economy.
Here’s what I was getting at: most discretionary spending, which is what the tax cuts were intended to spur to stimulate the economy, is done by high earners (I think it’s another 80/20 or 90/10 thing). The $40K guy is likely swamped with bills or other obligations, few of which will stimulate the economy; the $400K guy, on the other hand, is more likely to spend some disposable income on stuff that directly puts people to work.
I dunno Dhoti… when you put it that way, it makes it sound like you’re saying The 40K guy doesn’t deserve a break because he’s just trying to live… the 400K guy however, deserves a break, because he can buy worthless crap that will stimulate the economy. I think in terms of raw numbers, giving the lower 98% a break, the upper 2% a increase will free up a lot more money because that 98% will now not have as much “essentials” stress to worry about. Those bills and obligations are now out of the way, therefore they have that extra money to spend, boosting the economy.
mabsba said it, not me — I’m just taking her thought to its conclusion. (It’s hard to tell because of the nesting.)
No offense, but not my point at all, dhoti. My point was that someone who makes $400K probably won’t run out and spend the money on anything. Period.
BTW, I had a bet with myself about how long it would take for someone to say Time/CNN was either biased or not valid. You beat my guess by quite a bit. There are pages of references for debunking the laffler curve; I just picked the first one I recognized the source.
You’re letting yourself get confused by your analogy. (Probably because your original point, which was that someone making $40K will spend more than someone making $400K, is plainly ridiculous.) Let’s get back on topic.
And please read more closely — I didn’t say Time/CNN was biased or invalid, I merely said it was “soft”, i.e. high-level, not rigorous, and short on details. The idea that your blurb “debunks” an economic theory that no economist, not even Laffer, thinks should be interpreted literally, is ridiculous at best.
*sigh* But go ahead, ignore all that and assume I said “CNN IS EVIL LIBRULS WHO HATE AMERICA!!!1″ if that’s how you’d rather play it…
Dhoti, I did not say this: “which was that someone making $40K will spend more than someone making $400K.” I said that given an EXTRA $1K, the person making less is more likely to immediately spend it. PERIOD.
And I’m sorry, but if you say a news source is ‘soft,’ that implies invalid to me, but that may be the math geek in me influencing how I read certain words. I read many of the ‘blurbs’ that google returned, and that was the shortest and most concise. If you want a more detailed explanation of what Time said, there are many sources you can peruse.
Since you seem to have forgotten, let me remind you what you originally said: “It can stimulate the economy IF you cut taxes for people who will actually spend that money.” If you are in fact suggesting, contrary to reason and research, that your “$1k test” proves that low earners stimulate the economy more than high earners, then please state that, and *complete your argument*. Otherwise, it looks like a halfhearted attempt to change the subject.
And again, please read more closely. Being a soft source, your Time/CNN article ignores how literally the Laffer curve is meant to be interpreted, and so do you. It’s funny to think that it “debunks” something that was never intended to be taken literally enough to be debunked in that way. Despite all that, you insist that I’m attacking your source, not your spurious logic… kind of like how you insist on changing the subject…
For a supposed “math geek”, your arguments are shockingly imprecise.
yes because the person making $400,000 is probably much smarter than the one making 40 unless he’s some basketball player or something. People who make $400,000 a year already outspend the people making $40,000 so what’s your point? They also pay like $200,000 in taxes to support people who don’t work….so how does that benefit people who do?
When you allow someone to keep something that was his to begin with, you’re not “giving” them anything by the way.
$= intelligence?
of course , because the whole reason for being alive is the quest for more money.
I must not be very smart –
Bitter finally gets it!!!!!!!!
slit your own mothers throat if it gets you more money!! then go bathe in the love of jesus and curse those wont dont look, act, and smell like you. infact go to war with them, young men deserve to die because someone else is not just like you,but for the love of god dont expect me to pay for it
This sucks to admit because i’m not business savvy, but yes more business intelligence = more money. How does that have anything to do with “getting money no matter what?”
Business savvy =/= intelligence. Some of most willfully ignorant people that I personally know make $100′s of thousands of dollars.
DAMN BT, who crawled up your a$$ today? **Hands Bitter Troll some Fungus Beer**
I should have explained the difference between “true intelligence” and “business savvy.” Sometimes it doesn’t seem fair, but at some point we have to come to terms with the fact that somebody else hit the genetic lottery and that we still have to go to our jobs. Fussing about how somebody else makes too much isn’t going to change that.
Sure, more intelligence does mean that you are more likely to be savvy in the business world. But most people don’t start from scratch. Inheritance in literal or figurative terms makes a big difference as well.
I see what you’re saying and it is valid, but just assuming that everyone with money was born into it is probably not the best way.
it certainly doesn’t. the SVP of my company is a fecking idiot but he’s making BAAAAAAAAANK off his pension from watson wyatt and he’s making bank here too. stupid bastard.
I not going to bet against that HOW, but he is amazing at what he does, and telling him that just because he’s great at it means that we’re going to take even more of his money just feels a little wrong. I know everyone pulls out a utilitarian argument about the poor deserving it (and maybe they do) but looking at it from the first perspective just doesn’t feel right either.
I just get sick of people that make the argument along the lines of $= intelligence. Certainly some intelligence is probably necessary for economic security, but there are other factors, possibly more important that lead to being rich. Likewise, there are many very intelligent people that don’t care very much about making money beyond a basic level of comfort.
Well, being, for want of a better term, to-the-bone, completely fvcking STUPID is probably a handicap in getting ahead financially; and, should your personal goals include accumulating a lot of money, intelligence is very likely helpful.
On the other hand, there’s plenty of intelligent people whose goals are more diverse than just the accumulation of wealth, so the whole “if you’re so smart, why aren’t you rich?” jibe doesn’t really fly very well on close inspection.
I’m not speaking in generalities but arguing against the argument that nobody has ever earned their money so there’s no moral question of taking it from them.
Your math = wrong. People whose TI is $400K (this is taxable income, which CAN be less than your Gross Income) pay less than $150K in taxes.
HOW: I think your math is wrong their. People who make Gorss 400K pay 140K Federal Income Tax, about 24K in Social Securit, and about 25K in Medicare. Those are just the federal taxes. Depending on the state they live in it can be anywhere from $0 – $40K more in state income tax. So best case is 189K – 229K in taxes. Not counting personal property, property, county taxes.
Or none if they pay a good accountant.
You’re right. I was only looking at the Federal Income Tax on a Taxable Income of $400K.
Keith, 400K won’t get you a good accountant to find those loop holes. Only Millionaires get those.
Wait, what?!?!?
Now you can see where some frustration can lead though. Paying up to 50% in taxes would be frustrating, hence the loop holes and such. Flat Tax, everyone pays 15% FEderal Income, 2% Social Security, and 3% Medicare.
The flat tax is a silly thing that benefits people who make more money. 15% to a lower middle class person is a much bigger dent than 15% to an upper class or mega rich person.
But 15% from me is much less in absolute terms (but much more important for my personal well being) than Mr. Trump.
See I offered you EQUAL 100% pure equal and y’all balk at it. I don’t understand this whole punish the rich, take from those who have more than me attitude. I would think liberals would embrace a flat tax, there is no more equal than that. Everyone pays the same %, yet the Rich still pay more money.
Bitter Wino: When I get a raise in a few years I’ll actually make less money. Does that seem right?
Flat does mean equal. $1 to you means something than $1 to Donald Trump, George Bush and pick someone else rich to go here. The same as $1 does not mean the same thing in NYC, California, and lets say, Iowa. Equal to me does not mean equal in terms of the percentage paid, but in the difference in the quality of life.
btw- if you are really going to make less, you should ask to not receive the raise
Or I can vote out the people who do stupid taxes vice a flat tax. I understand $1 is different to someone rich, however 10% of your income is 10% of your income. You pay an equal percentage back to this country, it’s equal. Making people pay more percentage b/c they make more is not justice or even justifiable in my eyes. No one has yet given me a conclusive answer, except b/c they have more, to why rich people should pay more in taxes?
Apart from the “soak the rich” impulse, it boils down to confusion between income and wealth. Yes, if I’m rich, 10% of my *income* is a small percentage of my *wealth*, but who cares? I paid the same share as everyone else, and I built my wealth with the post-tax dollars I had left over.
Marginal tax rates are just a backhanded way to try to tax wealth, by using a high income as a proxy for high net worth. It’s ridiculous, because when you’re first starting out, you need that income to build wealth in the first place. How am I supposed to put anything away when I’m being taxed out the wazoo?
The reason most people work hard is because of the possibility of getting a raise and making more money. If it turns out they work they’re butts off and get a raise and are not making more money, then what? No one will work hard. You are rewarding people for slacking.
their/they’re …. I give up!!
Well, here’s the thing. If we all pay a flat tax, then to be be equal the poor also have to pay said percentage. That’s equal. And then we have to have a percentage that lower to middle class can pay and still afford to live. That’s going to be a pretty low percentage. So now the taxes are going to be much lower across the board, and the government is gonna be even broker than usual.
I’m guessing you’re going to suggest cutting government programs, which likely will hurt the poor. So we’re now taxing the poor and cutting their programs. Should we laugh at them and kick them too?
The studies I recall ended up with a revenue-neutral tax rate of 15-20%, which isn’t far off from what most folks are paying now, I think.
(Personally, if we’re going to do anything, I think I prefer a consumption tax; the rate’s a bit higher, but it’s even easier to avoid increasing the burden on the poor.)
Dhoti said: “I think I prefer a consumption tax; the rate’s a bit higher, but it’s even easier to avoid increasing the burden on the poor”
I gotta agree with this one. VAT & Consumption tax FTW. Also end the FED and the IRS.
I’ve always wondered something else also. Why doesn’t the govt simply divi up the taxes we pay? Instead of ALL of it going straight to revenue, why don’t they use at like 5% of it to go straight to pay off the national deficit?
Think about it like this:
Lets say 30 million people make 60k a year and pay 20% in income tax.
20% of 60k is 12k. So that means 30 million people pay 12k a year in income tax. That’s $360 billion from a fraction of the American population.
Now lets start the divi up. 5% of that $360 billion is $18 billion, each year to pay off the defecit. And this is only from the group making 60k a year!
Now if we add that together with cutting wasteful spending, new tax codes, no FED or IRS, and adding all the other income brackets including large corporations, we should be able to pay off our deficit within 8-12 years right? Wrong?
This is only an idea I’ve come up with. I’m not an economist and haven’t tested it to see if it’ll actually work, and the math isn’t 100%. I think it’s a good idea though. But if something is wrong with it, please let me know.
I agree with Dhoti the the extent that ‘wealth’ should be more prone to taxation than income, but I also am not of the persuasion that a flat tax is good for anyone but those making substantial sums of money. A flat tax would substantially reduce the taxes the richest people in the US pay in absolute and in relative terms as far as every statistic I have seen. For government taxation rates to remain the same, the burden must fall elsewhere.
I am also not sure how a consumption tax would avoid increasing the burden on the poor. Direct subsidies (welfare)? Government handouts of goods (socialism) ? – Intentional hyperbole.
I was under the understanding that the base tax rate in the US was at approximately 18% and extended up to about 45%. As a percentage of your income, Bill Gates pays substantially more than you (unless you happened to be Bill Gates).
the smurfs didnt use money, they all just had a job to do…thus papa smurf was a dirty evil commie in red PJs
Well, here’s the question — are taxes the duty of every citizen, or just “well-off” citizens?
Currently, nearly half of households pay either no income tax, or a small fraction of their theoretical share. Median household income is around $45k, so that catches many, many households above the poverty line — some well above. Are we really saying that it’s fair to have this many people outside the tax system?
Yes, these schemes would increase the bottom half’s tax burden — but I think, as citizens, it’s their duty to contribute their fair share, even if it’s small. I think it’s fair more unfair to allow the development of a “consuming class”.
Bitter, the idea with a consumption tax is that you set up exclusions for essentials — food, basic clothing, etc. — so that, in theory, you’re not paying tax on your basic needs. (Most state sales taxes are set up this way.) What’s left over are pretax (i.e. more) dollars.
I’m still awaitng my answer to why the rich should pay more taxes?
I find it very entertaining and sad that the arguement against a flat tax I’ve seen is “It’ll put too much burden on the poor.” You mean the people who will mostly use said Social Programs will have to pay into said Social Program (THE HORROR!!) So the rich, who will use their own health care, have own savings for “retirement”.. should flit the bill for such things? Why?
But isn’t that better than not having your bills paid. Isn’t people NOT being able to pay bills the whole reason for the “to tax or not to tax” debate?
Yes. Please cut my taxes now, thank you.
Please cut my taxes, give me free health care and while you are at it, I really like chocolate cake.
I’m gonna need some milk with that cake, you know.
The cake is a lie
in soviat russia, the lie is a cake!
But I do like chocolate cake.
Yep, just like government “cheese”.
I told the electric company I was “keeping my money ‘cos it’s mine.” They said that was just fine, but that they would be keeping the electricity, ‘cos it’s theirs.
Ha! any fule kno they can’t do that. Electricity goes off if they just leave it lying around on a shelf. I bet they would just leave it out the back and you could go and help yourself for FREE.
Actually Rando, I want to keep “my” money so that I can pay my electric bill, pay my car insurance, pay my property taxes, pay the license fee on my dogs, pay for my car tax, pay for my car, pay for my groceries, oh and pay to go out to resturaunt that I want to, save some to pay for my daughter’s college, and possibly take her to Disney some day, pay to take my wife to a movie………. oh yeah pay to fix up my house that’s falling apart….. how about that, does that make me greedy?
wait you WANT to pay taxs? bitter troll thought that when obama took money out of your paycheck with out your permission it was STEALING
I know taxes are necesary, I just don’t want to pay more of them. When he taxes me to give money to bail people out who were not responisble with their money, that is stealing. If he were to put my tax money to highways, defense, intelligence then I feel it justifiable.
Fair enough. Do the taxes you pay prevent you from doing that? Mine don’t.
That’s the point though. A little more taxes might not put most people here in horrible debt, but it decreases spending on anything else, and weren’t we supposed to be stimulating the economy?
That would depend on what was done with that ‘little more taxes.’ It could be used to work on our infrastructure (which desperately needs it), which would also help the economy.
I’m not gonna answer that because my response is stick it to the rich guys, and I know what kind of discussion that leads to and I don’t have the patience for it right now.
Yeah Rando fvck the Rich, what do they do for us? Oh yeah create jobs.
I already said I’m not getting into it. Frankly, I’ve lost interest in the topic anyway. I’d rather talk about hockey. Or boobies.
Anyone know what this is? Class? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone seen this before? The Laffer Curve. Anyone know what this says?
Its an ok teaching tool, but even the Soviets worked under 100% taxation.
I assume I am missing an additional reference here.
Sounds like it.
B/C if you didn’t work the government would starve you and your family, or arrest your a$$.
But its a nice example of how the model doesn’t explain empirical reality very well.
There’s a reason economics is a soft science.
A Time/CNN discussion of the Laffler curve
The link doesn’t seem to work.
Sorry, I’ll try the other way:
{http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1692027,00.html}
If you cut and paste, that does work.
And there’s a reason that Time and CNN are for soft news…
The bottom line is that the truth is somewhere in the middle. Economists generally agree that the basic idea is sound, and there’s some evidence that the relationship holds (see rising tax revenues under Bush), but considering the curve to be a strict relationship is foolish at best (Laffer himself said so).
You *do* get the difference between the *source* and the *object* of spending, right? Look, I get that you get all tingly when you get to scream “BUSH!” at something, but this doesn’t even make any sense.
Hey, I’m not gonna lie. I have a job because of defense spending.
As a prime contractor we also help support local paint/weld/fab shops with subcontract work, shipping companies, the builders who put up our building, all while operating a privately owned, profitable business. I don’t see how that’s a bad thing. Sure, the money comes from taxpayers, but it’s also providing jobs, and products the military needs.
I think the problem is where the money is going added to the fact that the money has lost it’s value.
I think defense spending is fine, but we should allocate more of it to our manufacturing industries instead of contractors. No offense.
If that’s what you meant, then ignore my post.
We are a manufacturer.
Ok then, cool. That type of spending is good.
SO your making money off obama’s evil spending????
you must hate america and boobies
I’d vote for a boobie stimulus package!
MR PRESIDENT
for the love of what ever god you worship, PLEASE start spending money on stimulateing the boobage!!!
I’m all for boob stimulation……oh, wait, you both are spoken for, dammit!
ya but charro’s cool as long as i take you home and she can molest you too
Sounds like fun, I’m in.
-gropes justacanuck- nice, what size are these?
Double d’s, bitter, nothing less for you.
moutains and a valley, now bitter troll can take charro camping!
Eh, not bad.
now lets see some photos!
When you reach the peak of either mountain, make sure to take pictures…of the mountain preferably.
Rando, you know it’s just a picture of my dragon-balls upside down, right?
Are you saying Canuks breasts are your balls!? O.o
T’would be a logical assumption, Captain!
Well, that just destroyed my sex drive for the rest of my life. Thanks, Tygor.
Glad to help.
Tell your wife she can send the check any time.
I just checked them out, Igor, I’m pretty sure they’re my breasts….not your balls. Can someone double check for me?
I’m not spoken for
and I love stimulating the boobage.
And yes, thankfully Obama is still spending on defense, just as Bush and every other president has.
I’m sure DU wouldn’t mind me doing a bit of practice, you know practice makes perfect.
Oh, well, if it’s prectice then that’s ok. I don’t want you out of practice for the wedding night.
*looks up from ‘The Big Book of Breasts’* Don’t worry dear, I’ve forgotten more than I’ll ever know about that subject. Or something. Ew what are those lumpy things?
You get back to studying! I want you to know how to use those things!
Just to be on the safe side *drops a stack of Maxim, playboy, and Penthouse* I just want to make sure you know what you’re doing, now back to studying!
Here’s your problem, keithy. You shouldn’t be reading the Big Book of Breasts. You should be reading the Book of Big Breasts! See the difference?
Actually, having paged through the book myself a more accurate title for the book would have been “The Great Big Book of Great Big Breasts” The same could be said of the “Great Big Book of Penises” which actually made that book scarier to look at. There is such a thing as to big.
My my! Well I never! What the? *swoons*
To protect your ass from the Chinese, Russians, Terrorists, Canadians, and UFOs.
FTW! Simply put is always the best answer!
There are no plans to invade the US.
Psst….Green Beard, abort, abort! They are on to us. Repeat, they are on to us.
You and what Canadian Navy, Nucky?? Two guys in a canoe?
You totally forgot about the lakes when they freeze. Canada has the first Battalion of Ex-Hockey Players…. scarier than the Finnish in WWII….. Did they beat Russia BTW?
ILPB – If they’re EX-hockey players then they’re nothing to fear; their bodies are as broken as their spirit, which is at a low point since Canada hasn’t won the Stanley Cup since 1993.
The Nazi went to South America, the Eurpean Hockey players went to Canada (not that I’m comapring them… oh wait yes I am!!!)
Sorry still wouldn’t want to deal with some of the retire Hockey players that were forced to retire.
The fall of the Soviet Empire = Best thing to happen to the NHL!!
Yeah, I can think of a bunch of Broad Street Bullies that would STILL scare me.
Dude, some of those old hockey goons are still pretty scary looking. I wouldn’t want to piss off Tony Twist any day of the week.
A Canadian team hasn’t won a Stanley cup, but how many Canadians play on those American teams that did win?
Yeah, I know, lame argument….but c’mon, give me SOMETHING here!
keep making good hocky players, we will keep buying them and putting them in detriot
Pffftthhh. You’ve got more non-Canadians on that team than you do Canucks. Don’t lie to Nucky!!!
If it makes you feel any better, my team has NEVER won a Stanley Cup.
The Blues? Really? Even the Canes won one.
That does make me feel better, thanks Rando. My team has one.
-puts on his wing-nut hat and dances around-
really? it stays in detriot often…sure bitter troll moved to florida to avoid the cold, but gotta love the home town team!
Nope. Never won a Cup. St. Louis & LA are the oldest franchises in the NHL that have never won a Cup. And the Blues haven’t been to the Cup Finals since 1970. It’s hard being a Blues fan. We were ready to have a parade in 2001 when the Blues made the 3rd round of the playoffs. The Islanders, Hurricanes, Avalanche, Devils, Lightning, Ducks, Oilers, & Flames are all younger franchises that have won the Cup before us.
And BT, I hate the Red Wings with a passion that has never been seen upon this earth. Compared to my hatred of the Wings, O’Reilly & Olbermann have a bromance.
-dances around the stanly cup victory flags- why is that? they are clean players!
Why? 2 reasons: 1) Division rivalry 2) The Blues & Wings have faced off several times over the last 15 years. The Blues have won exactly 0 of those series, including a very very painful series in 1996 where Steve Yzerman beat the Blues in overtime in game 7 thanks to a boneheaded turnover by Wayne Gretzky during his 30 game stint as a Blue.
And the Blues & Wings play tonight, so I’ll be watching. The Blues have taken 2 out of 3 from them this year, which hasn’t happened in a long time.
Steve Yzerman is a great man!!!!
Yzerdork sucks balls. And it still burns knowing that Brett Hull actually wore a Red Wings jersey. But we do appreciate Detroit letting us have all their cast-off backup goalies. Except Osgood. He sucked balls when he was a Blue.
BTW, as a rabid Blues fan, I also feel the same way about the Blackhawks.
now now no need to get nasty about it…just because you dont feel the warming glowy warmth of red wings goodness.
It’s ok, Rando. There will come a day when even your team wins one Stanley Cup. Maybe not in your lifetime…
I too share your hatred for Detroit. Mine burns with the heat of a million suns. And, I’m sure you know that I’d be a worthless Hawks fan if I didn’t despise your team. Nothing personal.
No offense taken, HOW. And I’m sure you won’t take offense to me casually mentioning how the Blues have whooped Chicago in the last two playoff meetings.
No need to get nasty? Clearly I’m the only Blues fan you’ve ever met, BT.
Nothing wrong with your teams, fine upstanding young men. same goal as the Wings have, to win.
just the wings are better at that goal
You’ve been in Florida too long if you don’t have a thriving hatred for the Blues & Hawks, or at least the Hawks. I thought all Detroit fans had voodoo dolls of the the Blackhawks coach.
no no no, we have faith in the power of the wings to win, we dont need to resort to pagan anti-jesus magiks to win, like some other teams..who still cant win
its ok Rando, the wings love you!
Well, I can at least take comfort in the consolation prize of knowing the Blues have won 3 out of 4 games against the Wings this year including at 1-0 shutout at Detroit tonight.
And if the Wings love me, then I have to start hating myself.
i was going to point out that at least you guys have a pro hockey team, and then i remembered the thunderbirds… they still exist don’t they?
The who?
grr, hit enter too soon — was going to add:
no, wait, they’re not a senior nhl team, so yeah, at least you have a real hockey team….
That’s true. I seriously doubt I could live somewhere that didn’t have an NHL team. Hell, it’s a big reason I doubt I could ever leave St. Louis. LOL Wouldn’t want to leave the Blues or the Cardinals.
They have hockey sticks and maple syrup…be careful!
It’s SIX mounties and a canoe, HOW! We lost the oars, but fear the Canuckian Navy!
And not only that, Steve, we have that most fearsome of all animals: the BEAVER!!
You’re right. An unkempt beaver is a scary thing.
Reminds me of the the Oregon Oregon St game… the Ducks vs the Beavers…..
It would sure scare those navy guys.
Not really, after spending up to a year out at sea, any beaver looks friendly.
Unless it shows it’s teeth.. those I would avoid.
“The Canadians invaded the US today, but made a beeline for Pittsburgh, massacred the Pittsburgh Penguins hockey team, and took the Stanley Cup back. Sadly, nobody really noticed.”
This picture further enforces my belief that money isn’t even real. All we have is time, resources, and ourselves.
No that kid really is holding money. Just a lot of it because inflation hit.
I am aware of whhat the picture is. My point is that anyone who puts too much stock in a piece of paper is an idiot. Currency is a sham.
well i doubt my mechanic would be too happy if i tried to trade him a couple chickens for the 2 new tires he just put on my car… and if you can find me a BP that takes chickens, i’ll be glad to get my gas there!
thats just it. the whole of society is convinced. but as I stated, all any of us really has is time, resources, and ourselves. Quanitfying it as we have has just allowed some to live with no limit of imaginary digits and others to worry about whether or not they can get thier car fixed.
Yes it is technically paper, but when two people agree on it’s value than it becomes more than that. People had to have a way to determine value FOR their services, and time. You can’t walk into said BP and go “I contributed give me gas.”
Time is equal for all people, and two people never agreed on it. You were bred to think its the only way.
And I suppose you’re of a better breed and will come down to punditkitchen out of the goodness of your hear to educate us.
I”m sorry if that was too sarcastic, I really am, but come on man.
Stage 1: end all your “arguments” with some variant of “wake up sheeple!”
Stage 2: start believing 9/11, flu shot, and AIDS conspiracy theories
Stage 3: fashion tinfoil hat and start a lecture series on the freeway offramp
but then you end up looking like this:
{http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/?p=7417}
yep, it’s a REAL tin foil hat.
Is it? Or is it aluminum? You know aluminum won’t actually block the gamma rays they use to control your thoughts!
You think aluminum is real? Oh, please. It’s a conspiracy between the British royal family, ALCOA, and the Trilateral Commission to rebrand tin for three times the price. This thing goes deep — Humphry Davy objected, and look what happened to him…
The Allied Bauxite Coalition would like to “have a word” with you….
better, no. different thought processes, yes. Am I trying to educate? definitely. Do I think I am right, you betcha. Is it out of goodness? Maybe, but I am one to speak whenever I feel like something that’s not being said should be said. Life is all about opinions. You got to hear them all to make the best choice. If you think I am crazy, that’s cool, as long as you say you heard what I said, understood my meaning, and decided it was or wasn’t for you. Do I want you to “wake up”? Thats up to you. As VNV Nation might say:
If I could change your mind,
I wouldn’t save you from the path you wander.
In desperation dreams, any soul can set you free.
And I still hear you scream,
in every breath, in every single motion.
Burning innocence, the fire to set you free.
I see your point. Has anyone here seen the movie Zombie Land? In the opening credits there is a guy with a brief case full of money, throwing it away because he knows it is slowing him down getting away from the zombies. In a post apocalyptic future, money means nothing. Tangible goods like guns and food are the real curency!
As an episode of The Tick so eloquently put it, “Money doesn’t put fish on the table, fish puts fish on the table.”
The bloated capitalist bloaters are tricking the oppressed minority minnows, catching them and putting them on people’s tables, presumably using some kind of reverse aqualung device. Although since fish eat other fish I imagine it’s just the surplus they are passing on. In exchange for, maybe, other stuff that fish need…(schools etc.)
Was that a fluke or are you just hard of herring?
For the love of Cod, no!
Carp! I can see this turning into a whale of a pun run.
No, they’ll just flounder.
If you mullet over you’ll see you mako no sense.
I must not shark my responsibility and post something.
Walleye can see where this is going.
From where I’m perched I have serious trouts as well.
All of you can kiss my bass with all these stupid fish puns.
Nemo
Sorry, I’m not good at fish puns.
I’m sorry you have been panned and buttered from anymore fish puns. I’ll aslo insult you for the halibut.
I sauteed what you did there.
SPOON!!!!
I’m not a butterfly, I’m a moth.
Yeah, and my parents are buying us a new car because they think money will be worthless because of Obama. Thanks, Obama! Er, Momma!
The easiest answer is to learn how to fix your car yourself or having something else to barter.
Quantifying money has little to do with injustice, it’s just money. It’s how people handle it, because people behave in unjust ways. I really doubt people as a whole are willing to do what it takes to really fix that, assuming it can be fixed at all.
ok then, lets try a different scenario. i’m dying of cancer (i’m not, but go with me here). i’ve got chemo, radiation, surgery and all sorts of other stuff. i can’t “learn how to fix” myself… i HAVE to go to a doctor or specialist or surgeon. he certainly won’t take my chickens.
yes, money is just paper (or little scraps of metal). but it’s the way things have been done for hundreds and hundreds of years. just because you (and VNV) have an idealized view that we could all survive without money doesn’t mean we can. there are a certain number of things that you can do without money, but they’re few and far between.
Yeah, but you could have a barter system where an item or service has a ‘value’ that equates to other goods or services that you could swop them for. And the ‘value’ could be determined by mutual consent: for example if there were a lot of widgets and very few wodgets at any one time the ‘value’ of widgets would reduce relative to wodgets. We could call the ‘representation’ of value some artificial thing like, say ‘money’ and the mechanism for determining the ‘value’ of things some neutral term like ‘ the market’. There, fixed that. No wait….
“Arbitrage” is one of the most beautiful words in the English language, don’t you think? (Even if it is really French.)
I prefer ‘wonga’.
I like “cleavage”
Well who doesn’t?
“almost more”
Not a chance. They might like boobs, but they can’t even come close to liking them as much as a straight guy…I don’t think there IS a stronger ‘like’ in existance than the like I would use to describe my fondness for breasts….OF ALL TIME!!!11!
HOW, that 70% may not like them on women, but they wish they had cleavage themselves. So my Shorty’s comment is still valid. And Shaq dropped the panda on it’s head.
Ivan – An excellent point I had not considered. *picks up panda and rocks it like a baby*
Or you could marry Keithy and get care under the Brit system and not need the money.
No! He’s my Keithy! You can’t have him! *glares at mabs*
Yes, British doctors get paid in fish & chips and warm beer.
default user might get mad though… she called dibs on keithy.
Uh, yeah — that’s why it’s called FIAT CURRENCY, you idiot. Synthetic != imaginary. Sheesh!
Let me guess — Dr. Paul convinced you we need to go back on the gold standard, right?
Why can’t we use the pot standard? Back all our currence with herb…lawl. It never depreciates in value!
Money don’t grow on trees, man, it grows on, like, PLANTS, see what I’m sayin?
Dude, I’ve got money to burn. And it’s so pretty…..
Damnit! You knocked over the hookah!
“Awwww dude! I spilled bongwater on my pants!”
If I had a dollar for every time I’ve heard that…I’d have like 50 bucks. I’d spend it on weed…
I’m just playing the conversion rates…
Hey, go talk to Dhoti about arbitrage, man, I’m too bonged out to give a …*zzzzzzz*
Dude! I have cheetos!
Can you imagine what Fed board meetings would look like in a pot-based economy?
Pretty fecking awesome, dude??!!
Designer hookah, with dozens of arms!
Do the Fed board meetings usually involve sitting around with piles of currency?
I haven’t seen that on CSPAN, but that would be pretty awesome.
I think they get to dive in to a pool of money, swim around in it while laughing maniacally.
Like Scrooge McDuck?
Fvcking awesome!
There’s a joke in here somewhere about Obama not being able to swim…
So what happens when you smoke yourself broke?
Actually, money being worth some amount of gold which in turn is worth some arbitrary amount of…money…seems even less efficient than money just being worth some arbitrary amount on its own.
ILPB is worth 2 BTs, however only worth 1/2 Diss….
9/11
It seems really bizarre that we would base money off of gold. I mean, what’s so damn special about gold? And why does the value of money have to vary so much? Why can’t a dollar just be worth a fvcking dollar? The whole world of finance is far more complex than it has to be. It sounds pretty fvcking stupid to me. I could probably take classes and learn all about how it works and stuff, but I have a feeling learning more about it would make me wanna vomit.
One world economy….. **shivers** Way too scarey.
It works. Granted, it works in “Star Trek” but, dammit, IT WORKS!!!
dont go calling kirk a liar….dont you f*cking dare..
I don’t think they used currency in the federation. Outside the federation they did, but the Federation was actually rather communistic.
star trek used ‘credits,’ what ever the heck that was – but was treated as a unit of exchange in lieu of cash – much like debit cards are now
gawd, i was a finance geek even as a kid….i think i need an intervention!
Yeah. Anyone that calls Kirk or Spock a liar is instantly dead to me…
As long as I don’t know them.
Spock didn’t lie…he exaggerated.
And Spock left out certain “truths”, so he kinda lied throu omittion.
And yes the Federation was kinda communistic, and it totally worked………. until the true commies (the Borg) showed up.
I’ll take the Anarchists/ Dictators (Klingons). They had dirtier ships, but my god were their women HAWT!!! Maybe not as hot as the green chicks.
Gold is shiny and pretty, rare without being too rare, relatively easy to extract, and holds up well in coin form — that’s how it got started, I think.
Yeah. But when you remove yourself from the fact that it’s been something that people have drooled over for centuries and think about it, it’s actually pretty silly that it’s such a big deal.
Agreed. (I felt the same way shopping for an engagement ring. “Thousands of years of culture and I’m looking for a shiny rock?”)
Lol…like a penguin looking for juuuuust the right shiny pebble.
I’ve emphasized to my fiance that I’d really prefer NOT to have a diamond; a CZ or a white sapphire is just as pretty, has the same symbolic value, costs a HELL of a lot less, and doesn’t have its price artificially kept inflated by a cartel.
In Scientific American and National Geographic I have seen ads for manufactured diamonds, we’re talking somethink like one or two karats for 200 dollars or less, and these are nice pieces of jewelry. For the record the only difference between a manufactured diamond and a ‘real’ diamond is one was created in a lab and the other was mined out of the earth.
I hear you there, man. A rock that’s a few millimeters is gonna set you back a couple grand? And ironically (considering the conversation) it’s surrounded by gold.
I have a black star sapphire, very pretty. It’s actually a ring I have worn since I was an undergraduate; my husband added two wee diamonds when we got engaged because he thought an engagement ring should have diamonds.
I strongly recommend something flattish — I don’t know how people wear those solitaires sticking up half an inch!
Unfortunately, gold is too fragile for the abuse it receives, so I had to go for platinum. It’s held up fantastically (with a little help from a jeweler), but the setting cost as much as the stone.
My guess is that, as the manufacturing capabilities of the lab diamond makers improve, we’re going to start hearing about how a “real” diamond is so much better because it has flaws and imperfections. (At least, that’s what too much science fiction has led me to believe…)
Really? Mine’s 25+ years old and is fine. What the heck do you do to yours?
Too much curry can degrade your ring.
Are we maybe not talking about the same kind of ring?
We have a jeweler who makes really dull radio commercials here who always suggests the real diamonds & gems he sells are much much higher quality than lab-created versions. I don’t know if there’s any truth to that at all. I ended up replacing my wife’s original engagement ring after it broke once, so I can say that Dhoti is totally right about gold not holding up well.
Well sure, but if you offered to swap me the makings of a steak dinner for 2 for a couple of DVDs I didn’t want any more, my response would be sort of “Sure, what night and time would suit you?”
i don’t swap steak dinners… i eat steak dinners.
now i’m hungry for a big old steak, sauteed spinach and a baked potato. damn you paws.
nom nom nom nom
A bacon wrapped filet & a lobster tail. Baked potato with butter, sour cream, bacon, and chives. A Caesar salad and warm soft rolls with real butter. And a slice of New York cheese cake with raspberry sauce with french press coffee for dessert. *begins to drool*
i’ll take all of that minus the lobster and sour cream… *drool*
I don’t think I can get that in Australia.. *sigh*
australia doesn’t have steak, bacon, potatoes and cheese cake?! eff that then. i’m never going there.
Oh, they have them, just not together.. hehe
ok good. had me worried for a bit!
They must be communist… how un-american to not have steak, bacon, potatoes, and cheese cake.
*is having steak for dinner tonight.*
really? isnt that doing her a favor? wish bitter troll could make his food all taste like a well cooked steak
“well cooked”??? But, but that’s bovine abuse! It should be so rare that it’s almost still mooing.
I personally prefer the cow to come to my table and recommend the choicest bits before I even decide on which cut I want.
Then he goes and blows his own brain out. Humanely, of course.
‘How do you want your steak sir?’
‘Just wipe it’s ass and bring it to the table!’
Its. *Blows own brain out* .
That’s gross, dude. I don’t it so well done that it’s jerky, but I don’t want it bleeding either. All this talk about steak is SO making me look forward to tonight. I just wish my sorry middle class butt could afford the really good cuts. LOL
I do like my beef rare and bloody, like my men. What??!!
I like my beef tender and juicy. And my coffee hot and wet.
So just lean it against the radiator in the kitchen for 5 minutes?
Ew.
Just to rub it in a little, that steak was excellent with some mashed potatoes and corn. Mmmmmmm.
yep, i hate you. although, i did have a baked potato last night, so i KINDA got what i was craving…
and for the sake of discussion, i like steaks cooked medium. a cold pink center but not mooing and not bleeding on my plate.
Currency is not a necessarily a sham. It becomes a sham when it is backed by nothing but “the faith and credit” of some institution.
Any currency that is backed by a tangible asset can not experience inflation because the currency can be exchanged for said asset.
As an example, if there were a currency called the “credit” and each “credit” were backed by a gram of gold, a year ago a credit would be worth about $25.00 and today it would be worth about $35.00
So what? Correcting for inflation is trivial.
(You’re also ignoring those instances when governments decide to overspend in “emergency” situations, thereby causing painful deflation when the emergency is over…)
And we owe it to ourselves to make the most efficient possible use of all three. Which is where the free market comes in.
Hey, Thanks, Mom! I love my new, bigger allowance!
There is a YouTube! video series called “Debt as Money”. Go watch it and learn what this really means. Yes, VictoryNotVengence, your money is not real and the Gold standard is an illusion. Now, let the kid with his money go into that convenience store and buy a piece of candy. In Zimbabwe, that stack should be just about enough.
He looks like the sort of sassy little tyke who will end up running the country one day.
if by run you mean violently opress, then lets all hope he is an underchiever.
No, I just meant run.
Yeah, well, thanks for confirming.
Now gimmeee some candy!!
When he’s a granddad he’ll be telling the kids ‘You know when I was your age I could go to the movies, get a ton of popcorn and a bucket of coke, ride the bus both ways, get some gum for the ride home and STILL have change out of a trillion dollars!
Just remember: Most of the same people complaining about prices and inflation are STILL paying $7.50 for a grande latte on their way into work this morning instead of brewing their own at home…
How much!!!?
Nowhere in the UK I know would you pay anything like that much (sterling equivalent) for a take-out coffee.
A Grande is probably a gallon in US.
nope, at starbucks it’s 12oz. they name their sizes all stupid though… a small is “tall”, medium is “grande” and large is “venti”. not sure why we can’t just use small, medium and large though. it’s so pretentious.
LOL. Cheaper to drink petrol then.
especially if you extrapolate the price per gallon of Starbuck’s coffee!!
A Timmy’s extra-large (Tim Horton’s) up here in the great white north costs just under $2 canadian…….mmmmmm……timmy’s.
Okay, so your coffee is cheaper, BUT I know Calgary. It’s so dang cold that you’re probably mainlining it.
Canuck, I remembered: you can put a link between the squiggly brackets and it should be okay (not be moderated).
Let me try:
{http://xkcd.com/435/}
I can’t click on that link, but I can copy and paste it, so that works!!
And yes, it’s freakin’ cold up here. We’re having a better day today, -20 with the windchill (-4 for you guys). It was -40 over the weekend.
Yes, I should have mentioned that it doesn’t provide an actual link, but it does allow you to include the name of a link without it being moderated.
I never can figure the temperature conversions (which is really sad since there’s a reason I picked THAT joke
). Dyslexia rears its ugly head.
I can’t do the conversion thing either. I cheated by googling the first number for you guys. My mom still works in imperial. It’s like we talk foreign languages.
F minus 32 times 5/9 = C.
C times 9/5 plus 32 = F.
I know the formulas; heck, I’ve taught them. Using them is fine; it’s when I start thinking about the back and forth that my brain forgets which way it’s going. It really is a dyslexic thing.
Several years ago The Economist noted that “petrol is cheaper than water” in America. It’s no longer true ($2.50/gal for gas, $1.50/gal for water in gallon jugs), but they’re still pretty comparable.
I think it’s an ego thing for the people willing to spend that much on coffee (even though they’re paying for a label, but thats a different discussion).
It’s like how they don’t make condoms in the “small” size.
Large, larger, Magnum.
they do too make small condoms… you just gotta buy them at spencers in the gag area.
*nods* Shortright knows many interesting things. Also small gags come from the condom area of Spencer.
Well, there’s always these…
Yay, you can get 1440 for $14.98. That’s about six months’ supply!
6 MONTHS?!?
little known fact… keithybabes is actually wilt chamberlain
Or Tiger Woods. *snerk*
naw, all the hookers – i mean girlfriends – have said he didn’t use protection. so not only is he an idiot for not hooking up with chicks who would keep their mouths shut… he is also an idiot because he probably brought some lovely stuff home to his wife.
The real question is who is telling the truth and who isn’t. The other real question is why do we fvcking care?! (I know I brought it up, don’t start with me.)
The answer to the first question is “Who cares?” I know you aren’t supposed to answer a question with another question, but it seemed appropraite. The answer to the second question is “No”. I swear I can’t watch the news when a famous person does something stupid because that’s all they seem to want to talk about. I don’t care who fsked Tiger Woods, or what Michael Jacksons autopsy looks like, Brittany Spears shaved her head? So what? *gets a headache just thinking about it*
what i don’t understand is the press calling all these women his ‘mistresses’? i thought to be a mistress you had to be supported by the other party, did he pay their bills and rent them apartments? i’m confused.
not that i care about this case in particular, but i’d like know if the definition has changed that much.
I care, but only because even if I don’t like golf, I respect Tiger Woods. He’s a genuinely good, modest guy and it pisses me off that people are standing around staring and claiming he cheated on his wife.
It’s not. Their. Business.
That’s how he’s always treated his fame- because Woods feels it shouldn’t get in the way of his family, can’t the goddamn world respect that?
i get what you mean about caring because he seems to be genuinely trying to do the right thing by his family, but how i don’t care, is because it is their personal business and not mine. now that governor that bailed to south america and left his staff hanging, that potentially i do care about, simply because he does have a legitimate influence in how the country is ran, and ignoring his responsibilities to govern is a bit more serious than an athlete who can’t keep his club in it’s bag. as far as i’m concerned, wood’s is a private citizen who might have a sex addiction problem, which certainly isn’t any concern of mine any more than what goes on in the neighbors house isn’t any of my business
^ What she said. As long as you aren’t spending public funds, and you’re not in a relationship with ME, I really think it’s none of my business. (And lol @ “can’t keep his club in the bag”….)
I like the wood idea better than the wilt idea.
I like to get those finger cover things and give them as gag-gift condoms. I’m real popular. LOL
Of course, with our family, everyone would just look at you and the recipient and say how nice that you knew the right size.
I just have trouble holding onto things when I use them… maybe I shouldn’t buy the lubricated ones…
Under $3 in a place that makes coffee, and maybe $5 in a Starbucks.
A grande is a US pint. A venti is an imperial pint. A tall is 12oz, and that’s the smallest you can get in most places (which call them small/medium/large).
One coffee stand I frequent sells 8oz for a small, but whenever a customer he doesn’t recognize asks for a small, he checks to make sure they don’t mean a 12oz cup.
wow! that must be CA prices. around here it’s 4.35 for a “venti” white chocolate mocha and that’s one of the more expensive things on the menu.
yes, i’m a horrid person and i pay 4.35 for “coffee” every once in a while. i spoil myself. the rest of the time i use packets of hot cocoa and the oily ass coffee that we make in the office make my own “mocha”.
*Full disclosure*
Okay… I was a bit off… my co-worker says she pays around $5… sorry… but it is still awfully high priced for a cup of joe…
And Shorite, you’re not horrid… you’re just “right” the way you are…
Even when she’s wrong Shortie’s right.
It wouldn’t matter either way.
If shortie’s wrong we don’t want to be right.
Two shorties don’t make a wrong!
My Shorty is never wrong!
My Shortie has a first name it’s Short.
My Shortie has a second name it’s Right.
ZOMG yes, McD’s efforts at a fvcking latte are poisonous. I had the same experience, couldn’t even drink it. I’ve had better coffee from a gas station at 3 am….
It’s criminal that they’re allowed to call it coffee.
I know! It was like….when I was in law school, there was this coffee vending machine in the basement. It tasted like something that would have come out of that.
Perfect way to describe the taste. Tangentially, the coffee vending machines in France dispense decent beverages, 100 times better than the swill from McD’s.
I has a sad. My good friend thinks McD’s coffee is ‘not bad.’ I guess I’ll have to buy her some REAL coffee for xmas.
The best gift I ever received was a french press coffee maker. Seriously. Amazing coffee.
Oh yeeaaaahhhh!! I gave away my drip-brew coffee maker the second I bought a French press.
The McD’s in Paris dispensed me a perfectly acceptable small-town-US-quality espresso, and in Freiburg a vaguely acceptable coffee-with-bucket-of-foam “”"cappuccino”"” — either way, only a slight downgrade from the Starbucks product. Haven’t tried in the US.
Then again, the laundromat in Montreal served me a much better cup.
The coffee in the vending machines is still not great; they usually add a lot of sugar to the mix.
Oh, I only saw the ones that allowed you to select the level of sweetness of your coffee.
I fly on Air France a fair amount and the food is wonderful. The wine, wonderful. Champagne, wonderful. The coffee? It sucks. Why oh why does the coffee suck?
Aircraft are only pressurised to about 8_000 feet, so you can’t get the water hot enough to make good hot drinks. Incidentally, I’d avoid all fizzy drinks, even vintage Champagne, at altitude, because they’ll lose their gas faster.
Well thanks, P4. That makes loads of sense.
Any time.
Huh, it must be different down here then because you can a very good cappucino here from McD’s.
That’s because Aussies take their coffee seriously. One of the best cups of coffee of my entire life was a flat-white made for me in a small cafe in Sydney.
That’s true.. however, the down side is you don’t get refills. But one cup of really good coffee makes up for endless refills.
I’m not a big regular coffee drinker, but I’ll drink some of the stuff like cappuccinos or lattes as long as they’re flavored right. I also threw away my McDonald’s latte. OMG that was horrid.
There is a difference between occasionally doing something as a treat and doing it every day.
I don’t really like Starbuck’s due to their business practices, but I also don’t spend that much on coffee. BUT when I was in college I would buy a latter for $1, which adjusted over the decades by the price of ground coffee, is probably not that different.
But we buy GOOD coffee for home.
I’ve just gotta ask this.. do you use a drip style coffee maker or an espresso type?
We just use a drip. I know, I know. REAL coffee aficionados use the French press, but my husband gets up first and he likes to be able to just push the button and have coffee commence.
Trader Joe’s has great prices on whole bean, fair trade, shade grown coffee. I looooooove Trader Joe’s.
But we do have a French press AND an espresso machine, if that redeems us in any way?
I use drip because it’s got a damn automatic timer on it so my coffee can be ready in the morning when I stumble out of bed and drag my sorry carcass into the kitchen.
Anyone seen that commerical for coffee where that guy is real happy in the morning and doesn’t need coffee and everyone hates him?
I’ve been told that’s me. I don’t drink coffee.
You’re right. We all hate you.
Eh, can’t stand coffee. *slurps another Diet Mt. Dew*
I received a very expensive coffee maker with a built in grinder, timer and etc. I was in love with it at first, but it has become a nightmare. It has stopped working twice (had to be returned – at least it was still under warranty) and the grinder gets gunked up at least once a month meaning that I have to take the whole thing apart and clean it.
This thread reminded me of how obsessed with coffee I am. I have two automatic makers (one in my office the other at home), an espresso maker, a french press, and an Italian coffee maker.
I don’t think I’m a coffee snob, I grew up in a Navy home where if the spoon didn’t stand up on it’s own, it wasn’t worth drinking. So I can drink just about anything, even the 7-11 coffee at 3 am. I will say that my coffee tastes have been refined since I moved to Australia.
Er, really strong coffee is where the spoon dissolves into the coffee if you try and stand it up!
The machine I have grinds the beans, packs the dispenser, fills your cup, and ejects the used coffee into a container. I paid a bit for it, but damn it makes a good cup of coffee! The only thing it doesn’t do is froth the milk. I think you can buy drip coffee makers down here, but they aren’t really pushed.
Why can’t they just say large, medium and small anymore? *sigh*
I don’t know, but on the rare occasion I do go to starbucks I order small, medium, or large because I don’t care about their neurotic naming system for sizes.
I do too! They immediate repeat it back to you their way, it’s like they’re beaten in the back if they say small, medium or large…and why can’t you get a small anymore? Anywhere? It’s like small is a bad word now.
I know, I went to KFC a few months ago to order a medium popcorn chicken, I don’t recall what the naming system was that they used, but I think ‘medium’ was the small size, I had to point to the size of the box I wanted and say “That one, in the middle, the medium sized one.”
I think because in the U.S. people have been brainwashed to think that you’re not getting good value if you get the small. Super Size EVERYTHING!! I was actually happy to hear that one of the major coffee chains would not be selling coffee servings larger than 16 oz, because you’re meant to drink it, not bathe in it.
Some places have small, but they don’t want you to order it. At Rally’s once I wanted to order the buffalo wing combo that was on their menu board. What I didn’t know was that the price on the board was for a small combo. When I ordered, the girl asked if I wanted medium or large. I assumed that the price on the board was the medium since I’m used to only medium and large, so I said medium. I was a bit alarmed when the price they charged me was way higher than the menu board. Assholes.
Is that Obama’s mini-me?
Pretty much sums up what’s wrong with this country.
“Think of the children” say the liberals rather than letting nature take it’s course.
So… we would rather have children in this country suffer????
No idea. This conservative brain implant isn’t very good at explanations.
I rate it 9/10 on bizzare ranting tho so I’m very satisfied.
LOL… maybe the battery is going… you should have that thing checked…
Social darwinism! Yay!
the poor are nothing more then beasts of burden to carry the load of the wealthy.
I’ll never be your beast of burden.
Hey kid! Do you have change for $1 USD? No? Only enough for a nickel? Dang.
Finally someone more right wing than me. You should come to some of our meetings.
Bollocks, that was meant for Sqwirk!
Wait… I thought Johnny Rotten and the boys told us to Nevermind the Bollocks…
Oh………oh………. you’re good
And they were referring specifically to Pundit Kitchen.
Don’t know what I want, but I know how to get it!
I think I’ve arrived at the ultimate right wing idea.
Bring back smallpox! The world was a much more heroic place before the 1970s.
And with the complete lack of immunity we have now, it’d wipe out half the worlds population.
Think of the moral fibre we’d instill in the survivors.
They might have to live with disfigurement themselves, everyone would lose a family member or two,
and think of the role for christian charity in caring for (or burying) the rest.
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Guys! I think Obama’s hitmen just got sqwirk! Sheesh those guys have no sense of humour.
And the ultimate Liberal Idea > Bring back Lenin and Stalin. Fire up the gulags and kill everyone who doesn’t agree with you !
*has sad* Ladies and gentlemen, the product of a failed education system –> Spanky.
Now imagine if I made some brash overgeneralization about all liberals based on this one comment. That’s being a conservative. Not angry just throwing it out.
ADM – You and I had this discussion before. I’m not sure what you’re referring to though. Spanky’s comment wasn’t a gross generalization; it was gross ignorance, period. That’s what I was commenting on.
I probably just shouldn’t have commented at all. I wasn’t trying to attack honest. I’ve just been really tired of that lately. Last night I had a kid actually base an entire argument on an assumption about churchgoers. He had no idea what he was talking about and had been convinced of his superiority since childhood. Luckily he respected me enough to change his view on the stereotype if not the idea being discussed. Often times this is not the case. Apologizes. Proceed.
No worries. We usually get along just fine. My problem is with Spanky’s ignorance and generalization that liberal = Stalinist (COMPLETELY wrong since Stalinist ideals are a FAR right political ideology). Those kinds of ignorant statements = educational failure. I wasn’t making a comment about conservatives. Not at all.
I think this (spanky, not adm) calls for you to practice your lifeguard duties. (I’m assuming that means you drown the people who shouldn’t be reproducing, not save them, right?)
Oh, no. Drowning them in the pool is a bad idea. That would leave some remnants of their DNA around. I’m responsible for getting them out of it, period; yank them out and make sure they can never return. But I can’t tell you how I do. Shhh…secret.
Maybe you should try drinking coffee.
*makes sweeping generalization about non-coffee-drinkers*
-_- I see what you did there.
and it was BRILLIANT!!!!1111!!!
*starts having jitters & mood swings, like all sweepingly generalized coffee drinkers*
No, no. If you’re getting mood swings, you’ve let your caffeine level drop too low.
Come now, You know Spanky’s simply being Squirk’s equal and opposite number.
Or you do, if you’re not “own-side-blind” like so many Right and Left-wingers.
Nonsense. We liberals abhor violence in, well, most of its forms. We liberals want some free-thinking love-everyone hippie types like the Beatles, or Jesus.
mmmmmm Jesus , bitter troll’s favorit fictional character
*smacks BT with a rolled up newspaper*
You gotta admit. Sqwirk is plenty entertaining.
Now Squirt, you know it’s the ultra left wing that’s pushing for population control… “Clearly, it is time for a global effort to create everywhere on earth the conditions conducive to stabilizing population.”
- Al Gore, Earth in the Balance.
because breeding faster then you can produce food has always worked so well in the past
I may have a modest proposal that could make that work.
*Swift-ly turns head to listen*
On a light note. This pic doesn’t even need a caption. This kid is just so darn happy. He doesn’t understand what’s going on and he’s probably using them for blocks or something. His happiness makes me happy and lol a little. That is why I came here to begin with. This is almost as good as vladurday. Everyone have a happy day.
He’s actually on his way to the bank to exchange them all for singles. With that amount of cash he can build himself a whole fortress! But it will probably have a sign on it saying “No girls allowed”.
He’s happy since he now has toilet paper.
You don’t use money for toilet paper, that’s what the Almanak[sic] is for!
Or newspapers.
Maybe he can make bricks out of them, they might be good insulation.
Or sew then in to a quilt for those colder nights.
That’s not what a boy with a lot of singles does
He wraps a few 20′s around them and makes it rain.
Rain boobies.
Despite probably never going to one anyways, my best friend told me a story that scared me away. For his birthday his brother took him to a club. After awhile he got the invite for a private dance and his brother paid for it. As usual after awhile the offer went on the table and before he could answer she stuck “the goods” in his face and moved the article concealing it to the side. He quickly left the back room and upon returning to the main area proceeded to basically yell to his brother that his stripper smelled funny. They left.
“Everyone have a happy day.”
YOU CAN’T MAKE ME!!!!!
Let’s all keep beating Rando till his morale improves.
cheaper than toilet paper…
but far less tastey
…and better for you!
I got a few of their bank notes.
Really a roll of toilet paper will get you farther in that country.
Especially when you just have to take care of business.
I’ve got to go see a man about a horse.
I have to drop the kids off at the pool.
I’m in favor of voluntary taxation of all people who think that their taxes aren’t high enough.
Lead from the front, or shut up. Write your checks today!
Or anyone that ever complains that government services suck b\c only if bureaucrats were paid more, better workers would apply for those jobs and they would then be better be run!
DO NOT WANT!!!
I left Zimbabwe in 1991. Back then my pocket money was $20 ( Zimbabwe dollar that is)a month which seemed like quite a bit…probably you could buy as much with that as you can with US $20 today. Of course the government steadily had to print the stuff to keep the civil service and army paid…the effect is slow at first but relentless…like a frog being boiled alive. Then one day you wake up and this….
Much better.
wait, isnt that a quote from ‘little nicky’
i f-ing love that movie
agreed