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They torture delicious, crispy chickens.
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Peta guy want’s a piece of chicken toooo!
So, so badly.
So does Rando. So, so badly.
the torture adds the extra flavor
meat is murder, delicious murder
Does choking count as torture?
*aghh,hak hak hak hakkkkggggrrrgggghhhhhh*
Yes. (ahem…hurgh) It does.
It sounds quite different when I choke my chicken, one of us must be doing it wrong.
I don’t know, mine bleeds when I do it… except that I’ve choked so hard the blood has lost all it’s red and is only white!
eeww.
No, no. Choking is merciful. Remember our Inquisition lesson from jim?
May hap we should bring an inquisition to one of these KFC chicken torture facilities. Also, we should bring a barbecue to um….make funeral pyres for the poor mercifully killed chickens.
No one expects the Chicken Inquisition!
GET…THE HOT OILZ!!!!!
mmm…. tortured fried chicken….. mMmMmMmMm….
You going to get some? Bring me back one of those lunch combos, will ya?
Only from Popeyes though… or Crack-Fil-A…..
Eat Mor Chikin
how about Zaxby’s or those Shane’s Rib Shack chicken strips?
That’d be fine! Um…not Popeye’s though. It always looks good…smells good…tastes good….then it makes me sick.
I seriously think I might be allergic to something they use in their seasoning.
A LOT of places put MSG in everything. You can usually check online for the chain restaurants. I know, for example, Chickfila has ingredient lists at their restaurants and MSG is the first ingredient in the seasonings. That might be what’s bothering you.
**holds hands over ears** LA LA LA mabs STOP ruining fast food for me. B/C it’s chicken it’s healthy, OK!!! OK!!!! **waves finger at you**
Sorry, I know it’s a lol site, so I shouldn’t be serious, but a lot of people can get extremely ill from msg. My bp hit 175/110 after eating a MSG-laden meal.
I don’t eat fast food, but not just because of that. It’s ridiculously expensive for the quality and the taste. Ice cream, now….
Ice cream is manna from heaven, not fast food!
Yes, which is why it’s worth spending money on. (I meant the expensive, not the fast food part.)
Yep Mabs, MSG sucks. I’m not as bad in the BP department, but think in terms of a 2 year-old after a six pack of Red Bull.
Well, that was a LOT of msg in that instance. It gives me migraines in much smaller amounts, though, and they put it in almost everything and under different names.
I’m pretty good at avoiding the stuff most of the time, but hotel and convention center catering is notorious for piling MSG on everything.
What are some of the MSG analogs or pseudonyms?
It’s the free glutamates in msg that cause the problems. Many products contain them. There are dozens of websites; here is one: {http://www.naturodoc.com/library/nutrition/MSG.htm}
Most good restaurants that make their food from scratch won’t add msg with the exception of Asian restaurants, which seem infatuated with it. Most chain restaurants, probably including hotels, provide ingredient info online.
There are certain types of food that are more likely to have msg added; you can look at various websites and see which you need to look out for. I know cream based soups have been my undoing more than once. (I don’t know why, but they have lots of msg sometimes.)
MSG is in a lot of canned or processed food. And it will asplode! your blood pressure if you have issues with it. And like you said, it’s in soups, but also in many things you wouldn’t expect. Salad dressings are loaded with it.
Once went to a buffet with friends in my area a few years back, and they had so much msg in their food, I literally fell over in the parking lot in pain. And I hadn’t eaten all that much as it hadn’t taken that long for me not to feel well.
Since then I’ve stopped eating gluten (which msg often contains) and said buffet seems to have gone out of business.
Actually you have no idea what MSG is.
MSG = Monosodium glutamate
It used to be made FROM wheat gluten, but cannot possibly CONTAIN gluten.
Modern MSG is made from bacterial fermentation so as to be safe for people on a gluten-free diet.
Gluten is a protien, MSG is an amino acid.
MSG is celiac safe, but many people have reaction to the MSG itself, this is not to be confused with a gluten reaction.
So not eating gluten is pointless if you only have a reaction to MSG. Just avoid MSG. It is possible for you to react to both gluten and MSG, but reacting to one does not mean you will react to the other.
Seriously, MSG is bad for you. Thanks for telling us just how it does a number on you. 175/110 is super-high, like what Bobby Knight’s probably was when he threw a chair on the court, or Woody Hayes’ when he hit that guy.
MSG is what makes it taste GOOD.
I worked at a KFC for years while working through college, and to this day I swear that if prepared properly, there is not a finer fried chicken to be had on this planet. Period.
Sadly KFC’s often employ people to cook who have no cooking experience and often can’t even speak english, so the food is often crap compared to what it SHOULD be.
I sometimes wish I could go to a KFC and just say “hey let me come back there, I’ll make my order myself and you can still charge me full price.” It would be worth it.
Kosher salt works too. Quite well, without the nasty msg reaction some people have.
My immediate response is “And you know about the crack how?” Followed by a long, frowning silence. Must be the mom in me.
I doubt it’s the msg or I’d have the same problem everywhere else! It’s very Popeye’s-specific.
Or hair grease.
I’m jonesing for some of those Popeye’s crawfish. Little nuggets of crustacean goodness!
They have crawfish? I’m going to have to visit one sometime!
I find that they are more tender when they torture them death
I agree. Once they break the animal’s soul, the meat just softens right up.
I lolled.
Mmmm…animal soul is soooooo tasty.
It’s an old Kentucky Recipe.
In Korea they often beat dogs before they kill them for meat, because they think fear make them taste better. F*ck Korea.
It’s not the fear, it’s called tenderizing. Doing it while they’re still alive saves on using plastic wrap and those pricey little hammers.
Umm, no, they don’t. By the time it’s delicious and crispy it’s dead – and can’t be tortured anymore. Ever tried biting into a live chicken? That’s not so tasty, but it’s still torturable.
And wow, do they really sell chicken wings in these giant containers? Who the hell can eat that much?! No wonder that guy holding it is fat…
Its the journey thats worth it. Not the success.
It’s not all wings, and it’s not a container, thats a freaking bucket of chicken! Show some respect. Haven’t you ever had a bucket of chicken?
You haven’t lived man. You just haven’t lived.
wings? like tampons?
You’re such a guy!
*singing* Get a bucket of chicken, have a barrel of fun! Goodbye ho-hum!
General’s fried chicken it’s butt kickin HEY HEY
No, that’s pads. Tampons have applicators not wings.
Well as am matter of fact I HAVE never had a bucket of chicken. They just don’t sell food in buckets that big here in Europe. That being said I don’t think I could eat that much chicken in one go anyway. I have never seen a a KFC here either, I’m not sure there are any…
So, the whole point was: Yes, I am surprised about the size and that they serve it in a freaking bucket. If you get a chicken here as takeout somewhere, it’s a whole grilled chicken, not chopped into pieces. Now THAT is tasty. You have never lived if you haven’t had that!
A bucket’s not a serving for one person. It’s like…if you were bringing it home for a family dinner. Or…to a potluck, or a party, or something. That’s chicken to share.
However, if you bring it to a potluck, place it into a container brought from home so when people say “damn! that’s good chicken!” you say “I know, I made it.”
Then someone says “wait…you jackass, that’s original recipe!!!”
“Colonel Sanders was my uncle! It’s a family recipe! I still made it myself!”
Thanks, for clearing that up! Though, the guy in the pic doesn’t really look like he wants to share, does he? lol
The bucket is designed to hold a meal fit for a family. It’s not really a personal size. It’s like a two-liter bottle of soda, again, meant for multiple people not just one (unless it’s not all at once, I suppose).
I lolled because I’ve certainly downed a 2-liter worth of Diet Coke and then some today.
I can easily put away a 2L worth of soda in a day. I lurvs me some soda.
All that acid in there can’t be good, dude. For your teeth AND your stomach.
Pfft. That’s the least of his problems. Soda is nasty, nasty stuff. But a difficult habit to stop. *pops open another Diet Mountain Dew*
Well, you are right about it being nasty. If it’s diet soda there is some sort of artificial sweetener in it, too, like aspertam. And that stuff is really just poison.
I rarely drink soda. I don’t ever buy it, I just drink it when I’m at a friend’s house and they offer it. That way it’s a special treat.
Don’t judge, dude. Don’t judge.
*downs her 2liter diet Dr Pepper*
I can’t drink diet, it gives me headaches. *Chugs another can of the regular Dr. pepper.*
Diet’s gross. Got another can of that Pepper, DU?
*looks at 20oz bottle of diet dr pepper on desk*
i’m with froo.
Give me the real thing.
Then you might be sensitive to msg. Apparently aspartame has free glutamates also, which is why a lot of people get headaches from it. Simple test: try a diet soda that has a different artificial sweetener.
I’ve only ever found aspertame in the diet drinks. Can’t stand the taste of it. And yes, MSG does cause me problems. Not headaches, though.
Pepsi and Coke both make diet with splenda; not available everywhere. Hansen’s makes diet with splenda also. I actually don’t drink soda.
I drink Canada Dry ginger ale, that’s about it. Mixed with Sour Puss Raspberry…..yummy!
The bucket is for families. It’s called “The Family Bucket”. FYI. And if you’ve never has KFC’s extra crispy, you ain’t lived, my friend! Cholesterol heaven!
I can get cholesterol heaven with any sort of fried chicken. Don’t think I need KFC for that, I can cook it myself. But I still think that guy in the pic did not share his bucket. He has a resemblance to the lolrus on icanhascheezburger. And we all know lolrusses don’t share their buckets!!
Okay, I admit, the LOLrus ref made me smile a little. And my fried chicken is all right. I generally use the skinless, boneless stuff. The hard part is getting a good coating that doesn’t flake off while frying.
If you’re up for it, go to foodnetwork.com and look for “Good Eats with Alton Brown.” He did a show on fried chicken and showed how to get that perfect crispy coating that doesn’t flake off while frying. I swear I wanted to reach into the HiDef and grab a piece of chicken off the counter……..*drool*
Glad you are less pissy today!!
Oh I’m still pissy, I’m just not so “eat your soul, cough up the bones, and laugh until you burn in hell” pissy like I was yesterday
I want you on my side, next time I have to do an avenging battle! O.o
This here is my personal favorite threat of all time {http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/4/10/}
Haha! That’s amazing.
I know some people like that too… I used to play tabletop games, back when I had spare time. It’s so tue though, everybody accuses Games Workshop of ripping off blizzard, but Warhammer and Warhammer 40K have been around a lot longer than Blizzard has.
When you feel your arteries clogging, you know you’ve got the good stuff.
when your blood is chunky like stew..mmmmmm thats good chicken
“I have never seen a a KFC here either, I’m not sure there are any…”
They have KFCs in Engerland, at least. Haven’t seen any elsewhere, but I haven’t been to all that many European countries.
Yeah, and about once a year I think ‘I could do with some tasty chickenz’ and get some, and then realize why it’s only about once a year…
As far as I remember I like some chicken burger they make, but I haven’t really tried it for years, so I might be wrong.
I do believe I have seen them in Germany and France.
Oh, I found a Wiki map of their spreadulement across the world.
I like that word! *spreadules wantonly*. You gotta trademark it!
It was that or “spreadening”, but that felt too Highlander.
Spreadificationalismage. Or spread. either is good..
Huh? The word they use in Highlander is ‘quickening.’ Where does spreadening come from? (Besides not the dictionary.
)
Highlander also has “the Gathering”. So with those two, there’s enough for me to see a Very Strong Pattern.
And yes, I know “spread” would have been fine, but I wanted something more foreboding or ominous or just … well, more.
No, liked your new word. I was just confused about the Highlander connection. Maybe it’s a Swedish thing…. (Do you know that joke?)
Like ‘The Bloodening’ (Simpsons FTW)
FTW, always.
yeah ive seen a few around the UK but im not sure if its one of those things that would take off everywhere. Its damn good tho I cant imagine any city/town not wanting their very own KFC
I know they sell Bargin Buckets in the UK at least. Plus I think I can remember getting buckets as a kid….
I’ve been to a KFC in Germany. And Burger King in Paris, Wendy’s in Milan, McDonald’s in Switzerland. I just *had* to…Sadly.
People Eating Tasty Animals!
FIRST!!!
Oh just STFU.
Hey not all of us have that fancy broadband that doesn’t take 1 hour and 2 minutes to upload.
Oh poo. I tried putting in mock-HTML tags, but they got deleted. That block of text is supposed to be in “whine” text
Snortle!! Thanks for the good laugh, anyway!
It’s a shame that PETA members aren’t edible.
Who says they’re not? I hear they taste like chicken….
They’re skinny though, you have to eat a lot of them to feel full.
As Willy Wonka says, “Even I’m eatable, but that, my dear children, is called cannibalism, and is in fact frowned upon in most societies. Yeah!”
Most. Not all.
My guess is more like pork… most people taste like pork… don’t ask how I know that.
I imagine peta people wouldn’t be that bad, herbivores are always tastier than omnivores or carnivores.
I know some missionaries who ministered to some really remote tribes (don’t make me lie about where because I’m honestly not sure….this was way back in the day) who were cannibals. The missionaries said that when dealing with cannibalistic tribes, you didn’t eat anything that smelled or resembled pork, because you were most likely eating someone from a neighboring tribe.
i remember hearing that missionaries were referred to as long pork because of the similarity in taste. personally i would have been very leery of dining at a cannibal tribe village for fear i was being fattened up for a future meal
I read something awhile back that basically said most cannibalism stories were grossly exaggerated or often made up entirely. Unfortunately I remember almost nothing about the article other than that. ><
Well, cannibalism is not common among most species. It’s not very pro-survival since when you eat your own species, everything wrong with that animal is something YOU can get. (That’s how mad cow was spread, by putting ground up cow parts into cow feed.)
Humans, the other white meat.
Human- the original BBQ. Low and slow baby, low and slow.
Human is an acquired taste. And you would need to torture them yourself before you kill and cook them, as there are no companies yet, who will do that for you.
Some peta girls are pretty attractive, I’d eat them!
This lame comment brought to you by the desk of Churj.
Trust me. It’s like eating chalk-flavored styrofoam that whines a lot.
Exactly the opposite of an Ameglian MajorCow.
They waterboard the chickens, that way they’re clean too.
Oh, if it was just water boarding it’s not really torture.
*looks up from water boarding EWAsshat*
Wait, it’s not torture? DAMMIT!
Not according to our last Attorny General. And about 40% of the American population, and me.
Here, let me show you.
*breaks out the cordless power tools*
No KFC for me. Give me Hardees or Bojangles. Now that’s some chicken.
mmmmm bojangles
Don’t know if they’re still around, but El Pollo Loco used to be pretty good out on the west coast.
We still got the crazy chicken out here.
Does Hardee’s still do Fried Chicken? I haven’t seen it at the local ones in a while.
Mostly in NC and VA, but yes, they still do. Sadly, not at the one in my town.
Dude, I’d trip your granny for some Bojangles about now.
hey where’s
Mankind for
Ethical
Animal
Treatment?
They taught a lion to eat tofu!
This was done before, somewhere …
Those chickens are raised in dark, crowded cages and are fed the brains and assorted leftover meat not good enough for human consumption from other animals, along with genetically modified wheat and corn.
They are injected with hormones and antibiotics. They can’t walk. Even if they could, there wouldn’t be enough room for them to. Sometimes, they’re starved to force them to make more eggs once they’re fed again.
Male chicks are thrown out in the garbage or killed. All the remaining chicks are debeaked with a hot knife without anesthesia, sometimes getting the tip of their tongue cut off.
When a chicken dies prematurely, their decomposing body is often unnoticed and left inside. Imagine a family member’s corpse and being forced to walk on top of and sleep on their decomposing body due to lack of space.
That’s what you’re paying for.
Thank you. This is absolutely true, and I hope anyone who finds the above repulsive and sad remembers it next time they go to eat KFC.
Wow, that’s pretty gross.
Soooooo, who wants original recipe and who wants extra crispy?
Grilled please….. alive…. >:-)
if you eat chicken that eats chicken, your clearly getting extra chicken!
That’s not funny! I will raise an army of chickens and together we will take over the world! Muahahahahahahaclukcluckhahahah!
On a side note, my chickens are always given our leftovers, even if dinner was chicken. They actually really like it.
Woo! The PETA trolls finally came out of their caves!
Anyway, I just want to point a few things out here:
- You eat genetically modified wheat and corn as well… Ever had bread? Or corn on the cob from a local farmer? Essentially every breed of wheat has been modified to grow faster, have stronger stalks to resist damage, and to seem less appealing to pests.
- Antibiotics are a bad thing? I’m pretty sure you take them for anything ranging from strep throat to meningitis, and then you feel better.
- Your body produces tons of hormones on it’s own… and those levels constantly fluctuate and reach extremely high and extremely low levels… puberty didn’t kill you did it?
- Beaks don’t have nerves in them. It’s like clipping a toe-nail.
- You assume that chickens have an advanced enough level of sentience to have some idea what “family” is. Not only would chickens have died out long ago if we didn’t keep them around for food, but other (comparable) birds don’t exhibit anything more than fairly basic herding instincts, with the rare exception.
The simple fact of it is if you decide to abide by a creationist view of the world, God placed us here as guardians of his planet, with animals and plants being there to nourish us (ie., God made chickens for us to eat). If you agree with the notion, instead, that evolution created humanity, then looking back through the ages you realise that humans, and our predecessors, are omnivores (that means we eat meat, and supplement our diets with fruit and vegetables when no meat is available). Wheat was never, evolutionarily, part of our diet. The human digestive system can’t digest cellulose (which makes up over 70% of wheat) or lignin (which makes up another 20 – 30%). In other words, 98% of any grain you eat is just passing right through you uselessly.
I like to believe that if God didn’t want us to eat babies God would not have made it so easy for us to make them.
That makes a lot of sense actually. Thinking about it now, the Catholic church doesn’t let you use contraceptives… so the only real form of population control is to eat babies.
I guess God likes dead baby jokes too!
-swats Churj with a rolled up newspaper- no jokes of that nature please
Ouch!
Wait, dead babies or God?
I apologise if I offended, I thought that the statement was so inane that it couldn’t be misconstrued in any way. I was even careful above to make sure to include both views of where humans came from (and no, I won’t say which I believe)
religion is open for debate and m
and mocking ( compy issues it froze up, weird)
the other thing is not so open. some people here have had real life issues that makes it a no no
Then my sincerest apologies. Luckily, I haven’t had to experience any such thing myself, and hopefully I never have to.
The bitters and churj have made me laugh on a bad night. Thanks guys! Needed that.
And to answer the unasked question…no, babies don’t need to be deboned.
We eat organic and use herbal remedies. We’re health nuts, basically; health nuts with the money to be very healthy and very, very nutty.
I’m pretty sure that a decomposing body doesn’t do you much good, especially if it’s that close to you. I mean, I imagine there’d be a lot of bacteria and stuff. It’d still be unhygienic, though, so imagine the body is a stranger’s instead? I know chickens aren’t people, sorry. It was silly to imagine that they might view this the same way.
Even if beaks don’t have nerves, tongues do. It would suck to have the tip of your tongue cut off.
The antibiotics and hormones fatten them up. So, for example, the time it would’ve taken for you to go through puberty and to reach full size would be shortened significantly. It’s like a five year old kid who’s already the size of an adult. I’ll list it again in a less melodramatic way: They’re starved, crowded, fattened, and generally mistreated. I also heard the smell is horrible. Ew.
I apologize; while animals are most definitely not humans, I just don’t believe that that type of treatment is humane.
I won’t argue with you about whether herbal remedies or anything like that are effective, everybody has their own decision on how to treat their own body.
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Even “organic” foods are genetically modified though. The most basic form of “genetic modification” is cross-breeding, and this has been happening with plants for as long as agriculture has existed.
Agreed, dead bodies are never a good thing.
I’m sure there are plenty of farms where the chickens are treated horribly, and there are plenty where the chickens are treated well. All chicken farms stink regardless
My post was more in response to a combination of yours and D’s. On it’s own, your post is quite well thought out, just the way D has worded their’s gives the entire coupling a “holier-than-thou” air, and frankly nobody should ever have to feel “repulsed or sad” about eating meat.
People can (and probably should) feel repulsed or bad about eating meat. I’m not a vegetarian and I’d be lying if I said I made sure every product I bought was free range or organic or whatever. The government really ought to step in and make some laws against creeps being gross to animals. Because I’m anti-creep and pro-meat.
The problem is it needs to be done more or less globally and simultaneously. “Disney-sweet*” husbandry would make meat so expensive, we’d never buy it if there were still mistreated cheapo dead animals to gulp down.
*) slight exaggeration
It’s my understanding that Kobe beef is from cows that are treated “Disney sweet”. Actually, more of a grown-up Disney, since they’re given beer and massages from geisha.
It’s spendy, but it’s GOOD!
I bet it is! And yes, I did think of kobe beef while writing my post.
Well said. Cruelty against animals is a crime (and shouldn’t occur), but at the same time we sort of need to eat meat, or synthetic products, to get everything our bodies need to survive.
The problem is happy chickens are three times the price of sad ones. But if sad ones were banned I reckon people would get used to it. Plus happy ones are tastier.
Banning might work, unless it means that smuggling of livestock would increase, with black market abattoires. That’d probably be even worse for the animals.
I’m already seeing trailers for this summer’s big blockbuster, about the underground black market of steaks and poultry…..
Prepare to meat the side you don’t see!
Course the most intelligent and enlightened movie about the poultry industry has already been made. (clicky)
Chicken Run FTW, you go KB!
Happy (and well fed) chickens actually lay more eggs.
Oh brother… look let me explain how this works, if you want to get results you use facts, not feelings, to make an argument.
Like this.
Fact: prophylactic antibiotics used in high intensity industrial farming to increase the growth rate of animals can contribute to the development of multiple antibiotic resistant diseases and their deposition in the water table has significant consequences for surrounding ecology.
Fact: While the body does go through complex hormonal changes during development we have plenty of examples of unintentionally interfering with that by artificially increasing hormone levels and creating unintended consequences (such as hermaphrodism).
Now my turn
Fact: Hormone levels in foods are strictly regulated and rigorously studied, both long and short term, when indicators show that hormone concentrations above a certain level are harmful they get banned.
Fact: ‘Going Organic’ would be the best way to create mass starvation. Yes the treatment of these animals can sometimes be cruel and certainly not pretty. The alternative is we eat you and others like you until we can get the population down to a size where organic farming is possible.
The only intelligent thing PETA has ever done is offer a major prize for the development of industrial scale in vitro meat production methods. That at least has the potential to fix things. Protesting reality may sound fun, but rarely works.
Actually PETA did expose some incredibly awful and illegal animal cruelty at a slaughterhouse here. But I think that in any group, there are those who actually do something (like this investigator or the prize you mentioned) and those who like to just be ‘seen’ protesting.
PETA goes in and uses “tricks” to catch people at their worst. Isolated incidents that are pretty much always handled quickly and internally. The animal for food industry has changed a LOT in the last 20 years, all for the better.
Well, I saw the footage and it was incredibly awful. And once it was exposed, it was handled by the authorities and the company. But would they have done anything if no one had caught them? That’s all I was saying.
Mind you, I’m sure you’d find even standard, humane processing of most animals to be rather frightening and repulsive!
I don’t know why you say that, knowing nothing about me. Is it simply because I am appalled by horrible, totally unnecessary cruelty that you make that assumption? BTW, I have seen documentaries about ‘normal’ animal processing.
I didn’t mean you in particular, I just meant that even standard processing is a pretty gory procedure. Plenty of blood, piles of organs and skin, and other such things.
In the poultry industry, it’s relatively clean. Considering that we’re processing food out there, you have to be. Hairnets, bearnets, smocks and gloves that cover all clothes and skin…..those aren’t just to keep you clean. It’s to keep the food safe.
The floors are washed regularly, people have to walk through foot baths to keep their boots clean…….I shudder when I eat at your typical fast food restaurant knowing all of the food prep safety practices we have in place, and your normal teenager working the window at Burger King isn’t even required to wear a hairnet.
*bearnets*
Wouldn’t it be a little counterproductive to let bears work in a chicken processing plant? They’d probably eat more than they processed.
That’s why they’re in nets
BEARDNETS. DAMMIT. This is what I get for being pissy. I can’t type. It’s hard to see through the pissy.
The bears have beards?
Only if they eat beets on Battlestar Galactica.
@Mabs: Indeed animal welfare has become an important part of agriculture. In no small part because it actually improves yields and creates better, more valuable products.
As for the PETA investigator actually finding a real case of animal abuse, like froo said, they are known for ‘spinning’ their ‘evidence’ and using worst case situations to create media attention. Even if it was a legitimate bust, a stopped clock is right twice a day.
@froo: you sound like you have some experience in the industry?
Man, honestly, I have 0 respect for PETA after how they responded to the greyhound killing.
For those from the states, some guy was stabbed dozens of time, gutted, and then decapitated on a bus by a deranged fellow in Manitoba a couple years back. PETA’s response was to start protesting at the site of the attack, and around the police station and such where this fellow’s family was, about how eating meat is exactly like what happened to their son. They even went so far as to take out paper ads, and tried to get TV spots but were stopped.
That just goes beyond distasteful.
Very WBC. :p
WBC?
Westboro Baptist Church. The Phelps family.
Haha, I honestly still have no idea what you’re talking about. I’ll have to just go crawl into my hole and cry.
It’s what I was talking about — below.
Ah! Makes more sense to me now. What ever happened to common sense and respect?
You…you can’t protest a protest! That’s like a double negative or something! The English geeks will have a heart attack!
We have the Patriot Guard here in the US, mostly bikers, who show up — if the family wants them — and provides a blockade along the funeral route.
I thought they mainly provided protection for the funerals of fallen soldiers?
Wasn’t she talking about the WBC? I guess I got lost in the nesting….
Yes, Patriot Guard is the group that goes to the soldier’s funerals.
Well, WBC will be happy to know that here in California, us godless heathens are trying to stop divorce from happening.
{http://sdgln.com/news/2009/10/27/california-divorce-ban-gets-approval-signatures} If we do that do you think it will make them think we’re all good god fearing christians and they don’t need to come here to try and fix us? *hopes they don’t want to come to California*
Truly. Like those whacko ‘Christians’ who protest at soldiers’ funerals. I was just trying to point out that in any organization that large, there are bound to be good people as well as total whack jobs.
Nesting fail. I was agreeing with Churj. But then Danbala ninja’ed me anyway.
Me so fast!
We’ll give your little guy a little sword or a pair of nunchakus. (Do ninjas use those?)
Ninja turtles have nunchucks.
That sounds a lot like the restaurants who are caught with dirty kitchens by investigative reporters who then whine that it’s an isolated example and normally everything is fine. It’s amazing how they always claim that it’s a fluke.
The poultry industry is so regulated by people who would love nothing more than to shut them down that it’s damn near impossible to abuse an animal. That video tape you’re talking about (the one of the chicken (or turkey) being drop-kicked into a wall, right?) was isolated and handled VERY quickly. It also happened (IIRC) 15 years ago.
No, this was a local incident here in NM with cattle. And it within the last couple of years because I remember reading the case in the newspaper.
how much air did he get with that chicken? ( or turkey?)
Not quite enough for a field goal
Cattle I’m not up on. I know the butchering process with cattle is a LOT more bloody by necessity than what I’m used to, so I stay away from it
Hehe cattle slaughtering is actually what I was referring to when I was talking about it being gorey. That and pigs. Crap they have a lot of blood in them.
Yes, but this was not necessary. They were abusing animals to make them stand (because I guess you can’t legally butcher a fallen animal).
But I didn’t mean to push your buttons about the chickens. We don’t want you to return to your yesterday level of pissiness.
Should I do dirty things to help cheer her up?
Are you asking me or her?
I get my buttons pushed easily with regards to chickens
I’m sorry for jumping so quickly.
You’re right about it being illegal to butcher a fallen animal, but that’s mainly because Mad Cow makes it impossible for the animals to stand. I wish there was a way to differentiate in those cases, because sometimes the animal can’t (or won’t…..they’re stupid) stand and it has nothing to do with Mad Cow.
Wait, so am I cleaning up messes or am I making messes?
They can test the animal for mad cow. I know because a group in Texas wanted to market their beef as ‘mad cow free’ by testing every single one. They figured they hit a price between organic and regular beef. The FDA wouldn’t let them.
I thought that was a great business idea.
Why would the FDA have a say in cattle processing? That is overseen by the USDA.
Sorry, it was several years ago. But I thought it was the FDA because they oversee food packaging/labeling … and that’s what was disallowed. The company was not allowed to market their meat as ‘mad cow free’ (properly some polite euphemism for that).
I have experience on both ends of the industry, actually. I’ve seen the good and the bad, and the good far outweighs the bad. Poultry processing is extremely humane and regulated to within an inch of its life by both internal auditors and the USDA.
“Actually PETA did expose some incredibly awful and illegal animal cruelty at a slaughterhouse here.”
And then they executed hundreds of puppies they’d taken from people who were abusing them. Which apparently isn’t animal cruelty – it’s caring for animals…..
Well, that’s true. Most families can’t afford that kind of lifestyle. I guess that’s what fast food is for.
It’s too bad mass starvation is already a reality
. No need to LET THE CHICKENS COWS PIGS DUCKS GEESE AND OTHER ASSORTED CREATURES GO FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE or to raise them all on grassy hills with birds singing and flowers. Just more kindness for them, please.
I don’t support violent (or plain) protesting either. It’s senseless. However, I believe that people should know the truth. Then, it’s their decision. While some may not have the fortune to be able to make such a choice, they should know what they’re eating and how it became that way.
Those are some pretty impressive facts. You made a very good point.
The problem is, Nut, that you aren’t speaking the truth. So therefore, STFUGTFO and ESAD.
*shakes Nut’s hand*
I don’t mean to come off as overly aggressive on the issue, but I have a lot of family working in agriculture, and yes even high intensity feed lots. I know that none of them take any pleasure in seeing an animal suffer, and will go out of their way to keep any animal as healthy an comfortable as possible.
As froo said above, animal agriculture has made huge strides in the last 20yrs in treating animal welfare seriously, and I whole heartedly agree people should always be aware of what it is they are eating, even if they have few other options; education is never a bad thing.
As for protesting, the plain type, not the violent type, I believe it is an important part of the democratic process, but some people have some seriously warped ideas about the purpose and usefulness of protesting.
…and it’s even better these days when all people have to do to clear their conscisnce a bit is start, or join, a facebook group! ;p
Even facebook protests can be quite effective. We Canucks managed to block an attempt to ram through some totally moronic copyright legislation with a facebook group. The point is to understand what you are protesting for and/or against and back it up with solid arguments instead of wild hyperbole, irrational FUD, and childish name calling.
“*shakes Nut’s hand*”
Something just seems wrong about that phrase.
The purpose of protesting is to get your picture on TV, duh. Doesn’t everyone know that?
I basically agree with your points except for one thing. Giving antibiotics to farm animals to prevent them from getting sick or to make them grow faster (and the latter objective is often why it’s done) causes bacteria to be exposed to them more often and develop resistance faster. Which leads to antibiotic-resistant bacteria that are medically expensive to deal with and even kill people.
It’s a very bad idea, and very lacking in foresight, which is why I prefer to buy chicken that hasn’t been fed antibiotics.
Ummm… you do know what an antibiotic does right? It can’t make things grow faster. Quite the opposite in fact. Most of them inhibit cell growth or disrupt a particular protein in the cell, causing it to decompose. The trick is finding antibodies that do that to bacteria without doing it to humans (hence why you can’t just arsenic as medicine).
On top of that, antibodies can get expensive, so they’re only used when the livestock has been exposed to a particular bacterial infection (because, despite common belief, antibiotics frankly do nothing to viruses).
And by decompose I mean starve and die, or I know of at least one antibiotic that causes the cell to keep diffusing water into itself, ultimately resulting in a *pop* when it gets too full.
Regarding antibiotics, they are required for corn fed cattle because cattle’s digestive systems are not designed to digest corn. Since the corn is fed to them to make them grow more quickly, Katherine is indirectly correct. Antibiotics are used prophylactically for this purpose (meaning they are given routinely in small doses). I believe this is also true for poultry, but am not certain as I don’t know as much about poultry farming.
If it’s given to the cow to help them digest corn, it’s an enzyme, not an antibiotic. Entirely different class of chemicals (though they do similar things in some aspects).
No, it prevents bacterial infections that are the cows are more susceptible because they’re eating corn. Sorry, should have been more clear.
And rabbits just eat their own poo to get the enzymes they need to digest their food.
So why do you have to clean rabbit hutches? Seriously. SHouldn’t it all be gone then? *confusion*
For those who don’t want to know the answer STOP HERE! You have been warned.
Rabbits have two types of poo, moist and dry, most people are familiar with the dry round pellets because rabbits don’t eat those, they completely waste products(as poo should be). The type of droppings rabbits do eat is a small moist pear shaped dropping and is usually clumbed with other like minded poos. Most people don’t even know about the existence of these because the rabbits eat them directly from their bum.
I warned you! It’s your own fault!
And this led to the banning of eating rabbits (or jack rabbits) in the Bible, as they are not of cloven hoof yet still chew their cud. I think it was a meat safety thing, because you can literally starve to death eating wild rabbit.
Now back to your regularly scheduled secular programming
Yeah, their meat is almost entirely protein. Actually healthy to eat but should never be a staple food.
Not only are you a dumbass, you’re a sorely misinformed dumbass who has bought into the propaganda spread by those who have a vested interest in lying about the way animals are farmed for food consumption. Instead of buying the crap because you think it smells pretty, why don’t you speak to someone in the industry who has intimate knowledge of how the animals are raised, and can actually tell you the truth backed up by non-inflamatory hate sites that are only out to hurt the blue-collar workers in the industry?
Dumbass.
I’m very sorry about that. I really should think before I post. It was unnecessarily dramatic and accusatory.
There are indeed many farms that raise the animals well.
You are absolutely correct. News about a child who died from e-coli poisoning after eating fast food and other articles about the way animals are raised were constantly brought to my attention. I also saw “Food Inc.” over Thanksgiving with my family, which talked about how these companies treated these workers badly (little pay, forcing them out of the country since many are illegal immigrants) so I’m afraid I can’t agree wholeheartedly with you on that point. Most of my information is from the books on factory farms that my mom gave me. Once again, I apologize.
Many of those companies not paying their people much are also employing illegal immigrants with fake papers. They get forced out of the country because the DHS comes in and cleans house.
As far as children dying from e.coli contamination: that’s not the issue with the way the animals are raised. That’s an issue with the way they’re cooked. To be fair, the safest place to get a hamburger these days is Jack in the Box, because God forbid they ever have an e.coli outbreak like they did before.
When they got the ability to check the SSN’s of employees easily at a cattle processing plant in Kansas where one of my cousins works they had to lay off half the plant for using false SSNs. Though the sad part about the DHS cleaning house is they’ll actually go up to the plant during business hours and pick up anyone not there legally, many of the people they pick up have families who don’t get picked up and don’t even get informed by DNS of what happened, all they know is that one day Mom or Dad just didn’t come home from work.
If there’s advance notice of a raid (as sometimes happens), the results are actually hilarious if you look at the surface and try not to think about the fact that humans are being chased down. We actually had half the plant literally jump the fence and run through the fields when DHS came in one time (this was at my old plant….my new place of employ is so compliant that it’s painful)
As fscked up as that is, it’s still a hilarious mental image.
Also, one thing that everyone needs to remember, Green Beard (rightly) pointed out that agriculture takes into account the fact that an unhappy animal doesn’t produce. The chickens are taken care of, can walk just fine, and are kept as healthy as possible in order to get as much out of them as you can. Otherwise, you’re losing money. Mistreating animals gets in the way of the bottom line, so it’s rarely done. Also, the standards for raising poultry are extremely high, to the point that farmers who dont’ meet those standards will have their contracts yanked by the company they grow for. For a farmer who relies on his 10 chicken houses to put food on his table, that’s a big deal.
A lot of your information was correct 20 years ago. It isn’t even remotely correct now.
Well, the whole veal thing is partly correct though. They can’t be let out to graze or run around (then it’s not veal), but they’re not kept in little sheds either. They’d get sick and die if that was the case.
Most veal is just raised in stalls much like you keep a horse in when you’re not riding it (or turning it out).
Thanks for correcting me. Now I must ask my parents to stop telling my omnivore friends mistreated chicken facts.
you know those are criminal chickens, they deserve it all….they rape and shoot and rob and tax people’s paychecks
Imagine a family member’s corpse and being forced to walk on top of and sleep on their decomposing body due to lack of space
why do i have to imagine that? i can just at uncle ray’s body in the corner…when the ground thaws we will take care of him
LOL
A stranger’s body might be better since those chickens may not be family after all and they wouldn’t care much even if they were.
In the words of JFK on Clone High:
“I was in a coffin with a dead guy!!!”
bitter troll loved that show. god bitter troll is old
bitter troll does not want some stranger’s body rotting in the corner..he should be with his own family, or int he dumpster.
They’re probably related even if distantly, but chickens are dumb. They wouldn’t know if they were siblings, parent/child, or boyfriend/girlfriend, or all of the above.
:settles comfortably in her chair, tips her glasses to the end of nose, licks the end of her pencil and poises it above a pad of paper: So, tell me, Froo, how long have you felt this attraction to chickens?
Uncle Ray can still talk, right? I mean, he lays there all splayed out and his mouth is open in that dead guy “O” and the voice just kind of comes out, right?
Didn’t you see the movie? Ray can talk, he just can’t see!
That is a Dead Guy problem
The disembodied voice they can do.
They just can’t see who they’re aiming it at.
Wait, so maybe Tom Cruise was just the victim of a misdirected disembodied voice from a dead guy?
Nah. Just a big batch of bad brain cells.
Dis embodies, misdirected dead guy voice would be an improvement.
Disembodied!!!
DAMN YOU uncle Ray!!
no, to be sure he was dead and not fakeing for tax reasons, bitter troll cut off his head
BT…you of all people…er…trolls, should know that troll heads are never really dead…and like talking. See how he fk’d with me above?
he might of, but with an open mouth in a big O, in a troll household? most likely someone is humping it
I’ve got to address these points one at a time. Please forgive and indulge me. I dont’ want some unsuspecting person in the future to come across this post and think it truth.
False. Unless you’re buying chickens from Mexico, the chickens are raised in houses that are about 50 feet wide by 500 feet long, cooled by “cool cells” in the summer (like a water cooled air conditioner) and heated by broilers in the winter. There are no cages. It’s all pretty much free movement. The food is corn-based and contains no left-over parts, as there aren’t many parts left over after processing to put into feed even if you wanted to. Every part of the chicken is processed except for the heads, feathers, and guts, and those go down the drain. NOT into any type of second- or third-party consumption. Genetically modified wheat and corn I’m not touching, because that’s in everything.
Injected with antibiotics, true. This is to keep them healthy so you’re not eating infected meat.
Injected with hormones: false. They are given natural supplements that cause them to grow faster, such as high protein and high fat feeds.
Can’t walk, and no room if they wanted to: False. I’ve already told you how big the houses are, and there is no less than 1 square foot per bird. Factor in how many birds are culled and you end up with quite a bit more space than that per bird.
Starved to force them to make more eggs: False. It’s a force molt, and it’s not starvation. Besides, you’re talking about two different types of birds, your pullets versus your broilers.
False. Chicks are sexed at the hatchery (they can be sexed the day they hatch by looking at the pinfeathers) and are separated. Since broilers and pullets are the same breed of bird, they are simply raised differently for different results, the boys are sent to the pullet farm along with the females destined to breed instead of be processed for meat. There are a few males that get in with the broilers and sent to the grower farm, and they are simply raised with the females until it’s time to process them. At 8 weeks of age there isn’t much difference except in size, and that’s barely noticible.
Debeaking occurs on pullet farms (where you get the eggs from) and is done very humanely. It’s the tip of the beak. No nerves, no tongue.
False. The houses are walked several times a day to stir the chickens and visually inspect for problems. Chickens are culled as necessary, checked for disease, infectious processes, and respiratory infections. Any birds that die are disposed of quickly, because any type of stress on the birds causes a lower output.
There are a lot of people who slag others for wanting to make a profit. In this industry especially, profit is what drives the humane treatment of animals, since stressed animals don’t produce. Your animals don’t produce, you don’t make money. It’s that simple. It’s a beautiful instance of profit driving progress and being used for good.
Now I’m done
So now will you be froofrou the happy fairie again?
It depends on certain things that may be happening in the near future. I’ll let you know.
Not to sound heartless, but does it matter?
They are killed to be eaten. Which does strike me as somewhat cruel. So whether you are even more cruel before is kind of irrelevant since you are going to kill them anyway.
No, for those who’d consider the killing of a chicken cruel, it probably doesn’t matter.
What’s the point of having a bearable life if you are going to end up dead? Is that what you’re saying? Cos in the long run we’re all dead.
No – I’m saying that chickens, cows, pigs, sheep and so on that are raised for the purpose of providing food are going to be killed for food, so the idea that people who eat chickens (cows/pigs/sheep/etc) should care about how their looked after before they die seems entirely hypocritical.
(I do eat cows/chickens/sheep/pigs/etc, and honestly don’t worry myself about how their cared for, because – as I said – it does seem hypocritical).
The cruelty doesn’t lie in killing them (they don’t know they’re going to be killed) but in making them suffer while they are alive.
Killing something isn’t cruel? Really? What is it then – an act of kindness and love?
And if they don’t know they’re going to die, then surely it would be much, much worse to give them a happy, glorious, love filled life and then beat them to death with a shovel. That’s even more mean!
I’d say killing something is not an act of cruelty, no. Neither an act of kindness and love.
Well, it can be either.
You are right sir. We should return to only slaughtering wild animals for food. Also, when the aliens from Omicron Persia 8 come and enslave all of humanity so they may eat us at their leisure I shall be sure to inform Lurm you don’t mind being tortured starved and beaten if they’re just going to kill you anyways.
I should interject here on behalf of Omicron Persia 8 and say that we are being done a great injustice. We never mistreat humans for ethical reasons or because it affects the taste. We do it because we enjoy it
Death doesn’t necessarily cause suffering for the animal, so it’s not a correct conclusion that “slaughter at the end surpasses any maltreatment on the way there”.
As long as we take the right to raise animals for our high pleasure and/or sustenance, it is not an unreasonable idea that some responsibility comes with that right.
At any rate, from a purely selfish standpoint you could start worrying, because meat from animals that are raised well is tastier.
to raise animals for our high pleasure This makes me a little wary of visiting Sweden.
You’ve obviously never been to a performance of the Swedish Elk Symphony Orchestra.
Horses? House pets? Probably a strange choice of phrase on my behalf, I did some direct translation there. ;p
It does sound a bit kinky when you think of the way pleasure is used as a verb sometimes. Probably ‘entertainment’ or ‘companionship’ is what you meant (although I’m sure we all would have found some way to misinterpret THAT).
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
Yes, you would!
There’s even a competition form called “western pleasure” and all!
Oh, equestrian. That’s what you’re claiming you meant now. Sure, okay, right. *backs away slowly*
No I prefer my pork fed with pig. It makes it hamier.
I watched Dirty Jobs where Mike went to a … turkey farm, I think it was? Do you know what I’m talking about and if so is that what it’s like or similar?
I’m curious to know where my meat comes from and all I ever hear is the filthy side PETA has to talk about, and I find it hard to believe that people would still eat meat if that were true.
Its not as dirty as PETA makes it out to be (read other posts on this page), but people would still be eating meat if it were true. (Read Upton Sinclair’s “The Jungle”)
Upton Sinclair’s book was accurate in the time it was written. It’s not accurate now, except when you’re talking about the production of gellatin, which is so disgusting that no one is allowed to talk about it.
PETA amps up the nasty.
And I never saw that Dirty Jobs, so I can’t tell you if it’s accurate or not.
Besides, this is what happens when you let chicken go free range.
LOL!!
I’m not sure if I should be horrified, or terrified. I feel I should be something-ied, though.
Yeah, I didn’t intend for the Jungle to be a representation of the food industry today. Rather, I intended it to as an example of what consumers will unwillingly put up with. Its also a good read.
unwillingly==> unknowingly.
Glad to know I’m getting my money’s worth.
And if you refuse to raise chickens that way, good luck getting a contract with one of the major poultry companies to move your product. Oh, and if you do, be prepared to sign your life and farm away to the bank.
Free range chicken FTW! We get our eggs from a farm down the street from us, and they are yummy! Om nom nom!
That….sounds…ABSOLUTELY DELICIOUS!!!!!!!
that’s so awesome! Mmmmm I love it when I bite into flesh and know it died screaming to feed me =D
That is why you have to start eating the animal while it is still alive. How else will you know if it screamed or not?
I’d be a lot more appreciative if I was certain something REALLY suffered and died so I could eat.
That is the problem with McDonalds and other fast food. You never know how many different types of animals went into what you eat and whether the animals suffered or not.
Nicola the Smartest Chicken in the World™ understood this for the most part. When she was a wee little chicken nugget I was laying on the couch with her, I opened my mouth to yawn and she ran into my mouth and tried to claw her way down my throat.
Just because it tastes good is no reason not to treat animals humanely. Restaurants need to start looking at them as liviing, feeling beings and not just a product.
It would be hypocritical of them to start with the animals, since most restaurants don’t even do that with their staff.
Hell, those chickens get better treatment than the staff at those places.
What are you talking about? They get treated fine!
Hey! I said no ice! *throws drink in waiters face and kicks it in the shin* I’m not paying!
But if they look at them as living, feeling beings, how could they ever justify killing them and sticking them in a pot? And if you follow that to its logical extention, wouldn’t that just stop all restaurants from selling meat of any type?
Are mice living, feeling beings? If you look at them that way, how could you possibly own a cat?
And don’t claim to have a vegetarian cat. All that proves is that you are being cruel to the cat by denying it the taurine it needs to derive from meat. Oh and that if the cat is healthy, that it’s a better hunter than you know it to be.
You want to know cruel? We had a mouse in the house late last winter, and my fiance caught it when I was out of town (purely coincidence, I’m sure). I don’t remember how he killed it, but he tied a leg to a camera tripod so the cat could bat it and use it as a toy . . . problem is, when he was not in the room, my sweet kitty, the one who would never, ever bite a human, not even if you tease him . . . chewed off and ate his head.
(At least, I HOPE the mouse was dead when he was hung from the tripod.
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Don’t think about Nao, just believe the mouse was dead and pretend that your sweet little kitty is not a killer. It’s best that way. Now, skip along and sing “lalalalalala” to the Smurf theme song, you’ll feel much better. That’s what I do.
I don’t mind if he’s a killer. He’s meant to be. I just think it would be cruel to be hanging there alive, while something that’s going to eat your head is coming for you . . . now, if he’s loose, he has a decent chance to get away. Cat vs. mouse, how nature intended.
Besides, mice are cute when they’re pets. When they get in your house when they’re not supposed to, they just piss and S&!t all over everything–it’s disgusting. Add cat; no more mice.
When I bought this house, I discovered a few mice had gotten in. No luck eradicating them the first couple months. A coworker’s mother had to go into the nursing home, so I got one of her three cats (the other 2 had been placed already). Suddenly, the mice reconsidered their choice of home, or . . .
Okay, I should have said “just believe that the mouse was dead….” Heehee. We have pet mice. One cat could not care less, she just looks at me and walks away when I bring a new pet home. The other cat, well……she’s figured out how to help the mice escape. We found one mouse dangling from her mouth……the mouse survived but was a little traumatized.
Escape right into her mouth? Umm, I want to laugh, but that seems cruel.
Having pet mice, do you think mice are anywhere near as smart as they say rats are? I thought since they were related, they *might* be, but I get the impression that they’re not.
Well, in retrospect, it was funny and we laugh about it now (as the mouse did survive the “escape”). The look on the cat’s face when she was caught was priceless.
Mice are easy to train, so they are quite smart. And I’ve heard from other mice owners that they are good escape artists, which usually indicates intelligence. I think mine are leery of trying to escape given my cat waiting just outside the cage.
My husband’s old cat would have opened the cage and eaten the mice as soon as you turned your back.
Fortunately he and I are in agreement that rodents are something to be excluded from houses. Once I went to my friend’s house, and her pet rats had escaped and were loose in the kitchen. I was soooooooooo not happy.
BTW, prairie dogs are one of the smartest rodents because they live in complicated (for rodents) social structures. But they carry the bubonic plague fleas.
This cat is pretty young. She figured out how to get the cage off the bottom pan, but we fixed that. It’ll take her a while to find a new way to help them escape.
My house is referred to as the zoo, we have animals of all shapes and sizes at any one time. Rodents are just part of the pack.
Ew. Your fiance is not invited to accompany you on visits. My husband’s kitty who died this summer (actually we had him put down, so I guess we are as cruel as the animal torturers) never played with what he caught — he ate them. ALL of them, every single part! Double ew.
Awww, come on, Mabs! We need a vacation! Most people like him, really. (My cat lurrves him. You should see it. I’m kinda jealous.)
My cat doesn’t get out except onto the balcony and we don’t have a rodent problem. The one time she did manage to catch a hummingbird, after she showed it off to me by dropping it at my feet and batting it around she picked it up and carried it off to under the bed. I realized I didn’t want to find out if she doesn’t eat the whole thing. I nursed the thing back to health (it wasn’t actually injured, just severely stunned) and cracked a can of tuna for Umi(she caught something, she should get to eat something)
I am so happy that our cats have never caught anything but sparrows and doves, both of which we feed. We do have two woodpeckers, a downy and a ladder backed, who visit as well as jays and some hawks.
I’m guessing the hawks are there to dine on the smaller birds?
Yes, you can tell when a hawk arrives by the whoosh noise created by all the other birds departing. My son calls it ‘our food chain.’ Once a kestrel took a pass at my old cat, but she was too fat for it. (Kestrels are VERY small hawks.)
Firstly, I don’t own a cat. But secondly, since when would I be responsible for what my cat does? Am I supposed to follow it 24/7? Thirdly – it’s what cats do. They eat mice. However it has been proven humans can live without eating meat, and (since we are supposedly a higher life-form, with free will and the ability to make informed judgements and so on) it is purely a choice to eat meat.
(Note – I am not a vegertarian. I like eating meat. Meat is nice. Meat is goooooood. I am just pointing out that I choose to do this of my own free will, and accept that it does mean animals are being killed for me. But given what else is being killed for me in the world today, at least killing animals serves a legitimate purpose!)
What is with these nicknames? Is it just this thread? They’re all associated with poop! We’ve got “doodie_nose” (srsly, how are you going to be taken seriously?) and now we’ve got “Steaming Pile”. WTF?
And your problem is?
ROFLMAO
Can’t catch my breath!
Have tears!
Need a tissue!
Help!
This is a comedy site for the love of Tara – I am not attempting to be taken seriously. I am just having fun!
Well, for the love of Twelve Oaks, sometimes we get into serious discussions here. But you’re right, it’s mostly about comedy, and you can call yourself whatever you like. You doo-doo seem pretty serious in some of your replies, however. Carry on!
I don’t know what’s so wrong to eat a bit less meat (twice a week or so) but therefor buy meat from free range animals? Dunno. Even though while I like to eat meat from time to time, I still care for the animals. Sure they have to die anyway, but they still should be allowed to live according to their needs. Of course, it’s easier in some countries to get “organic” meat than in others. In Switzerland, we have (one of the) the most strict animal welfare laws worldwide now (antibiotics, long transportation, cages for egg lying hens, neutering without painkillers and all that stuff which is common in most countries is long banned here. It’s still far from perfect of course, but I’m still quite happy about it.) Probably because of that, we don’t even have an own version of PETA here. Yes, I know, it’s awesome *g*
And the picture is still quite funny haha
That Peta guy sure wants a tasty chicken wing too~
I’ve never done it myself, but I’d love to see the look on a bulls face when they have an elastic slapped over their balls.
As long as it’s not happening to me, best way to be neudered, ever. Just cut off blood circulation and wait for the twins to rot and fall off!
this is why bitter troll only eats human children
Peta dont give a crap about those animals.
you can beat them, eat them, starve them, pee on them…peta wont blink an eye till the boy kills a flea that is gnawing on his nuts.
Have you ever watched the onion’s feminists vs. peta thing? Your comment made me laugh almost as hard as that
This is all wrong; the chickens are only crispy AFTER they’re tortured!
and that’s what makes them so delicious!
Mmmm sweet tasty tortured meat mmMmmmmmmm
Overheard at an H1N1 clinic last night—
16 year old twit: I refuse to get a shot because they make the vaccine in eggs and that’s cruel.
Public Health Nurse: Do you eat cake?
16 year old twit: Yes.
Public Health Nurse: Do you eat cookies?
16 year old twit: Yes.
Public Health Nurse: And you know that there are eggs in cake and cookies, right?
16 year old twit (sullenly): Yes but it’s still disgusting and I refuse to get the shot.
Long-suffering father of 16 year old twit (who has had just about enough): You get the shot or you lose your cell phone for two weeks.
She got the shot.
*snerk*
PETA has good intentions, but a bad way of doing it. If you all going mmmm chicken watch food inc. especially where they knock out the little chicks.
PETA is probably the only group fighting for rights of someone (or what they would call “someone”) else. Couldn’t they just let the animals decide when they have had enough? (I bet the robot revolution will happen before the animal revolution)
My older brother did this once xD
now that is just funny…dudes got some balls lol wow
Most unfunny website ever.
Then why are you here?
these guys live near me.. the guy eating kfc wears velcro sandals and baggy 3/4 lengths all year round. hahah