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Right-wing reaction to White House Christmas Trees: Make them too big and they’ll accuse Obama of being egotistical and hypocritical in a bad economy. Oh, wait…they do that already! Make them too small and they’ll accuse him of being an anti-Christian un-American Muslim. Oh, wait..they do that already! Big trees it is!!!

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  1. The Eric says:

    Too long; didn’t read

  2. JulianKingOfNothing says:

    Have a blasting New Year all *

  3. The Truth Hurts says:

    ROFLMAO

    so true so true

  4. Mina says:

    NYE= Flame War Day on PK?

  5. Lainie says:

    I like it…its a bit long, but it’s very true. People look for any excuse to bash Obama…there is no pleasing the conservatards.

    • Cheezanator says:

      just like the libtards that look for any excuse to blame Bush. Hell, they even blame Bush on the Christmas Day attack of Flight 253

    • grrrargh says:

      Really?…(i)really??(/i)

    • Nebton says:

      (Trying this for the 8th time with a word or two edited out in case it’s causing censorship.)
      Too true. Take the most recent would-be terrorist plane attacks. During the Bush administration it seems that such failed attacks were a sign that the system was working, but now it seems that the failed attacks are a sign that the Obama administration is weak on terrorism.

      Aside: did anyone else laugh at the idea that the would-be terrorist apparently set his nether regions on fire? No wonder he was described as being easily subdued…

      • Nebton says:

        Hah! I figured out what word was causing my problem. It was a synonym for laugh, but began with “snig” and ended with “ger”.

      • dissimilitude says:

        My theory is that because of the emphasis on suicide bombing missions, all the remotely competent terrorists (excluding the ones smart enough to be non-martyrable middle-management types) are dead already. But then I’m just a tidge cynical, or so I’ve been told.

      • I Like Peanut Butter says:

        Actually I believe the Shoe Bomber was a black mark on the Bush administration. The only reasons this failed was b/c the guy was inempt and couldn’t lite his underwear on fire and 2. some Dutch guy kicked his a$$. :-)

        If the guy hadn’t gotten on the plane, like most of the people caught after shoe bomber guy, then Yes the system works. I don’t necesarily blame Obama for this per say, however is lackluster attitude towards terrorism does contribute some.

        • dissimilitude says:

          Maybe I’m missing something here, but if the dude went through security and got on the flight in Amsterdam, isn’t that their security lapse and not ours?

          • I Like Peanut Butter says:

            I didn’t blame us, did I? **re-reads** Nope… didn’t even blame Obama.

            • mabsba says:

              “I don’t necesarily blame Obama for this per say, however is lackluster attitude towards terrorism does contribute some.” Yeah, you kinda did, assuming you meant to type ‘his.’

            • dissimilitude says:

              Nesting fail, PB, that should have been under Nebton’s

              but now it seems that the failed attacks are a sign that the Obama administration is weak on terrorism.

        • Nebton says:

          I’m not saying that you’re inconsistent, but my impression of the media (not just Fox News, but also the so-called “liberal” media) is that they handled the shoe bomber as a “stuff happens” case and took it as justification for the PATRIOT ACT, etc., but that this case is being taken as an indictment against Obama himself, despite the security lapse happening overseas (which to be fair to Bush was also the case for the shoe bomber).

          Also, it seems that the recent cases where two others were caught before they got on the plane is also somehow a symptom that Obama is weak on terrorism. Maybe I just frequent the wrong web-sites, though. (I don’t have a TV, so my view of TV news is admittedly a filtered one.)

          Can we at least agree that it’s hilarious that the would-be underwear bomber (presumably) burned his privates?

          • dissimilitude says:

            Can we at least agree that it’s hilarious that the would-be underwear bomber (presumably) burned his privates?

            Oh, hell, yes! How do you convince somebody to be an underwear bomber in the first place? I’m halfway convinced this is proof that terrorist groups haze the new recruits.

          • dissimilitude says:

            Oh, and just for you, Nebton:
            My take on the “Underwear Bomber”.

          • Justacarolinian says:

            Just nit picking, and not even seriously. Didn’t the shoe bomber happen early on? IE, when things were still getting the motor up and running.
            And for the record, I don’t think any nation will ever be able to stop all terrorist attacks. Some one that’s determined enough, and given enough time, will get through.

            • Default User says:

              Yes, but if something bad happens we have to have someone in a position of power to blame. That’s the rule. Didn’t you get the memo when they made that rule? *pulls out her copy of the memo, a cuneiform clay tablet from early Mesopotamia and shows it to JAC*

            • viking gal, now with holiday mellow says:

              The shoe bomber did happen early on. AND he was not Arabic in heritage or appearance–whitey white European dude.

    • lol says:

      If anybody was actually interested in complaining about the Obama WH Christmas tree, they’d probably go more for the Chairman Mao ornament than the size of the tree. You don’t really need to grope for excuses to bash the president.

  6. charles says:

    I’d say they’re tad oversized, but for aesthetic reasons.

    • Trainwreckchaster says:

      I think it’s more of the angle of the picture. It looks like it’s in the way of the door way, but I have a feeling it isn’t.

  7. Poncho says:

    He’s muslim anyway. So who gives a $hit.?

    • I Like Peanut Butter says:

      The door….. is that way. MY GOD would the conservatards who are Birthers, Muslimers etc PLEASE STFU, just PLEASE do it. You make conservatives look like maroons when you open your mouth. There is SO much more to worry about when it comes to Obama. LET IT GO!!!

      • Jane St.Clair Glamorous First Lady of PK says:

        I feel bad for you. Just when we had a nicely bipartisan disdain of this truly unfunny lol, Poncho up there had to prove it true (it’s still unfunny though).

        • I Like Peanut Butter says:

          Like really, can’t he just go.. “Well isn’t he Muslim?” *wink wink** and pretend it’s somewhat a joke so he doesn’t sound like a Caveman.

          • charro says:

            So easy a caveman can do it.

          • Mina says:

            I do have a semi serious question though. If we ever elect a president who isn’t Christian, would they still have Christmas trees at the White House? It’s not super important. I’m just curious how that would work.

            • dissimilitude says:

              Like if we had a Jewish president, for example? I don’t know. Since it’s the president’s residence, I’m guessing….no?

              • Mina says:

                ZOMG! Giant menorah in the White House! That would be so cool.

                • Default User says:

                  We need a pagan president stat. Beltane bonfires on the white house lawn.

                  • Mina says:

                    That would be interesting.

                  • Serifina says:

                    YES! Light the White House lawn on fire! I would travel to DC just to participate! (I’ll bring my drums and dancing outfit!)

                    • mabsba says:

                      Okay, I first read this as ‘Light the White House on fire!,’ and your enthusiasm made me want to back away very slowly. But now I see all is good and volunteer to bring marshmallows.

                      • Maxwell Silverhammer is VERY Jewish says:

                        So… it’s official, we’re moving Burning Man to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue right?

                        • Default User says:

                          I rather like it’s current location, mostly on the grounds that if I ever have the time/money to go, it’s alot closer to me where it is now than your proposed location. Yes, I’m greedy and selfish like that.

                      • Serifina says:

                        Haha! No, I don’t want to burn the White House itself. Just giant fires on the lawn!

                        You bring marshmallows, I’ll bring the, uh… drinks! (After the ritual, you have wine! Then vodka for the real drinking.)

            • mabsba says:

              I don’t know why not. I have a Christmas tree, and I’m not a Christian. It’s a symbol appropriated by the Christians from the pagan celebrations of the winter solstice. Besides, I believe the trees are gifts from various states, so a president would hardly refuse them.

              A few years ago in Montana (and I can’t remember which town) someone smashed a menorah in someone’s window. The newspaper printed menorahs the next day and almost every house in town had them up that night. That’s the proper American spirit — screw with our neighbors, you’re screwing with us!

              • dissimilitude says:

                That’s very cool!

                I guess it would depend on what religious background they came from; if it had been traditional in their family; if they had something else they normally did instead….it might be a situation of “Christmas tree? Um….ok. Whatever,” but if they were seriously practicing another religion (or, for that matter, one of the varieties of Christianity that doesn’t believe in having trees…) it might be a conflict for them.

                • bad fairie says:

                  it could be that the public areas would still get christmas trees, but the private residence area would be decorated according to their preferences. i seriously doubt that most first ladies take that active a role in determining what is done with the public areas since most have lives (unlike mother nancy)

              • Mina says:

                That’s horrible! I’m glad the town came together like that though. I’m also glad to know that not all ignorant people are here in the south.

                • mabsba says:

                  OMG NO! You have NO monopoly on morons. I wish you did (then they wouldn’t be here :D ), but that would be so unfair to the non-moronic Southerners. We really need to start branding them….

                • When I was in the 6th grade, one of my teachers showed us a 20/20 special (I think it was 20/20) about racism, and they used St. Louis (where I live) to show how differently people act. They used hidden cameras and had a white guy and a black guy go into different places. The differences in the way those people were treated were really sad.

              • Jane St.Clair Glamorous First Lady of PK says:

                I’m agnostic and I always have a tree. For that matter, I celebrate Christmas because I love the holiday. As my atheist brother said when asked if he would celebrate Christmas once he had children, “Why not. I like fairy tales as much as the next person.”

              • Serifina says:

                I’m not Christian, myself (pagan, as semi-noted above) and my family does and always will have ‘Christmas’ trees. We did even when I HAD no religion. I grew up with them, I see nothing offensive about them, and as far as I’m concerned, the White House (and any other place) can have up Christmas trees if they want. You don’t have to look at it as celebrating the birth of Christ – Christmas, these days, represents rather more than just the Christian holiday itself.

                • Default User says:

                  A few years back we decorated a small palm tree(small enough to still be in a pot indoors) and called it a Christmas tree. Seemed like a good idea at the time.

    • Igloo McCoy says:

      I give a $hit that you used a period and THEN a question mark. Come on, guy.

  8. PortlandMark says:

    Too wordy.

  9. Ioannes says:

    Hey, the Whitehouse calls the trees “Holiday Trees” specifically to avoid offending the Muslim sensibilities of Barack HUSSEIN Obama’s Muslim comrades at the airport.

  10. Rae says:

    That’s exactly how the Republicans work…And obviously, we have confirmation from the rantings of the elephants here…BIG score on your caption!

  11. Lllll. says:

    …victim-hood ready and waiting…

  12. Nerfy says:

    Bottom of the barrel for this one. One of the worst ones I’ve seen in awhile. Wordy, boring, and not even humorous. Pure crap.

    • Default User, The Morrigu for the day. says:

      See, they almost had something, if they could have made it alot shorter and gone with the whole we’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t so we might as well do it big and huge and awesome theme they might have been able to make something funny out of it. Instead they took a funny general concept and crapped it out, jumped up and down on it, piddled on it, threw it in the septic tank to rot for a while and called it funny. This displeases me. I am displeased and today I am GOD. Specifically, The Morrigu, or Morgan if you prefer!

      • viking gal, now with holiday mellow says:

        How did you get out of my guitar?
        (yes, I name inanimate objects…)

        • mabsba says:

          Wait. You named your guitar after a goddess of fertility, and you hold it in your LAP? Isn’t that a bit dangerous?

          PS DU, since she’s also the goddess of strife, good choice for PK!

        • Default User says:

          Silly, I didn’t get out of your guitar, by naming your guitar after me you imbued it with a small part of my spirit. That small part of me is still in your guitar, but the majority of my spirit is in DU today because she is me today.

  13. DRH says:

    Hmmm… did anyone call the WAHmbulence for the whitehouse?

  14. Rightist Reaction: You only cut down two trees? Tell me you at least burned the rest of the forest. Did you do it with an assault rifle? It’s more fun with an assault rifle.

    • Justacarolinian says:

      Steve is a turd, that’s established. But I did sit at a stop light the other day, and listening to a Prius, it’s sounds match it. As it sat idling at the light, it was going “homo homo homo homo homo” and as it pulled away, it sounded just like it was saying “Iiiiiiiiiimmmm gaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy.”

      • mabsba says:

        Now, now, keithy. I met a very nice older lady and her husband who had a Prius. They didn’t seem smug at all. Of course, I met them because I was standing behind the car and didn’t realize they were in it and wanted to back up! Priuses are QUIET. (But she was very nice about it.) :)

      • Justacarolinian says:

        Keithy, it’s a joke. And one I stole from Jeff Dunham. *sigh*

      • Justacarolinian says:

        I know one thing they are. Cramped.

        • Nebton says:

          Depends on how large you are, and in what dimension, I suppose. I’m 6’3″, and I find that most American cars lack sufficient head room for me, but the Prius is most excellent in that regard. It has more than enough leg room, to boot. The back seats, however, could stand a wee bit more head room if you plan on having full-size adults (i.e., over 6′) back there.

  15. Bob Noxious says:

    BLAH, BLAH, BLAH…

    This should have been posted under the “FAIL” section…

  16. Kath says:

    What’s wrong with middle-sized Christmas trees? :/

  17. Auklap says:

    obama is a godzilla alien invader!

  18. Nancy says:

    This picture must have been taken just before she lifted her leg…pissed on the trees…and then sniffed her own butt.

  19. Calico says:

    Yes, your goldenboy Obama can do no wrong. Never mind that Hussein put an a pic of Mao, the butcher and killer on the CHRISTmas tree. What a low life POS (Obama and teh poster)

    • bad fairie says:

      do you seriously believe that the President decorated each and every single tree put up in the white house — all 2-3 doz of them, let alone the official tree in the blue room?

      try reading this for a change from fox (not)news {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Christmas_tree}

  20. Blaib says:

    IN THE NAME OF CAIN!! IN THE NAME OF CAIN!! IN THE NAME OF CAIN!!
    Obama is a nazicommunist =D

  21. republican says:

    actually no, right wing conservatives wouldnt even care, liberals would ill tell you that,

  22. mdav says:

    Love it.

    However, as a member of neither side, the bickering is getting old.

  23. Mina says:

    I got the Human Tourch reference, but somehow missed the Thing. Can I blame it on my cold meds so that I don’t lose any geek points?

  24. Rax says:

    Like kidney stones

  25. forge says:

    I imagine he’s a pretty durn rough ride for that there blind girlfriend of his.

  26. Mina says:

    Most likely. Isn’t he entirely made of rock? So it would stand to reason that all of his inerds are made of rock as well.

  27. I don’t know about that, but wouldn’t he have a permanent hard-on since no matter what…it’d be hard?

  28. Jane St.Clair Glamorous First Lady of PK says:

    I’ve always wondered if the Thing could have sex. I mean, his blind girlfriend might be able to climb on but…

    1. Ouch for her

    2. Possible lack of necessary sensitivity for him? I mean, can a rock feel pleasure?

    All in all, not a good thing, being the Thing. Now, Reed Richards…

  29. I Like Peanut Butter says:

    That poor woman….

  30. Rattus says:

    What about his kidney and/or gall stones? Also made of rock?

  31. There is a reason that he is called Mr. Fantastic…

    On a side note, Charro is completely doable. I now know for sure. *vanishes*

  32. Jane St.Clair Glamorous First Lady of PK says:

    Ummm, not that I’m disagreeing about Charro (cause she is) but… what?

  33. dissimilitude says:

    Yeah, what? :???:

  34. Caught her picture, very doable. That is all.

  35. Jane St.Clair Glamorous First Lady of PK says:

    I love Charro for her dirty, dirty mind.

  36. I Like Peanut Butter says:

    Well one must share.

  37. charro says:

    *blush*

    You are too kind. All of you!

  38. charro says:

    ILPB aren’t you my cheezfriend? My picture is there too but it’s rather small.

    And Janie, my mind is rather dirty. ;-)

  39. I thought charro’s doableness was common knowledge. Huh.

  40. It is common knowledge but mostly based on text. I got to get a good look at the face smirking pervertedly behind the posts. I like verifying facts like this. ;)

  41. Jane St.Clair Glamorous First Lady of PK says:

    If you were on facebook and joined our group you’d know how doable shortright and VG and Diss and Nao and DU and the Froo and Suicide Blonde and Captain Wow and… all our sexy sexy ladies that I’ve forgotten really are!

  42. Maxwell Silverhammer is VERY Jewish says:

    So, should I finally get a facebook page up, I can see pictures of the ladies who often use me as man-meat?
    That could be… advantageous..

  43. Jane St.Clair Glamorous First Lady of PK says:

    Yes. Yes. And more yes. But you’d have to save the dirty stuff for the group page ’cause I has family members as facebook friends.

  44. Default User says:

    We wouldn’t mind having a picture of the man-meat we’ve been using either.

  45. viking gal, now with holiday mellow says:

    This conversation is in my interest!

  46. Ah but I avoid Facebook and have seen what Froo Frou looks like.

    I prefer 1 on 1 to small group chat. I don’t have to worry about anybody’s family that way. :twisted:

  47. Ivan The Patron Saint Of Shortright & Pastafarians says:

    Oh come on over. Shorty talked ME into it. I’ve even posted a pic of my ass in jeans, and they went WILD over it. It’s like teasing cats with tuna. ;)

  48. Default User says:

    But it’s not like a chatroom chat. It’s got discussion boards and you put up a post and then people respond, not unlike here. Except there we don’t have EWAdams lolames heading up every discussion. Also, if you join, you can FB friend the people in the group and have one on one discussions with them using FB chat. :)

  49. …which has creeped me out in the past. With people knowing who I am and stuff, it really takes the mystery and suspense out of the Amazing Rando. The Boring Eric really isn’t nearly as much fun. ;)

  50. Default User, The Morrigu for the day. says:

    Well then you can make a faux facebook profile with the name “The Amazing Rando” and use that for all your online encounters! Then you can remain mysterious!!

  51. Yaaaaa, Lynn was sucked onto FB by our girlfriend but I am still holding out. I’m overly connected as it is. @_@

  52. bad fairie says:

    but Rando, you can be amazing over there too – i know, i’m still bad fairie even down to the same pic as my avatar here — this is who i am when i’m online and it’s all ok. come play with us where we’re only slightly more different than here ;)

  53. Default User, The Morrigu for the day. says:

    Well fine DWN! You don’t get to see pictures of me in a corset! And what’s a Lynn?

  54. mabsba says:

    “Lynn University?” You mean Facebook pulls in universities, too? It must be morphing into a black hole. :)

  55. Facebook, the Black Hole says:

    *grabs hold of Mabs and drags her into the Facebook too* Join us!

  56. mabsba says:

    Noooooooooo! The black hole is trying to get me! *screaming*

  57. Facebook, the Black Hole says:

    *starts chanting* Join us, join us join us, join us join us join us…

  58. Lynn is my wife and as for the corset, that is tempting and I could share pictures of me in my tophat…

    No no, not falling for it. People who want to see me can stalk me on Gaia or YIM. *narrowly escapes*

  59. oɹɹɐɥɔ says:

    One of us! One of us!

    And the tophat picture is most divine.

  60. Default User, The Morrigu for the day. says:

    I don’t know what this Yim or Gaia of which you speak is. I still think you should go with the facebook, so I don’t have to go through the trouble of stalking you. I’m already stalking my stalker, stalking someone else on top of that might be too much for me.

  61. Nebton says:

    Actually, I don’t know a single liberal who thinks that Marion Barry isn’t an idiot, but I know several conservatives (less than a majority, however) who think that Limbaugh isn’t an idiot. (Granted, obviously some people didn’t think Barry wasn’t an idiot since he somehow got re-elected in DC, but don’t tar us all with that brush.)

    Since we’ve established that Barry is an idiot, will you agree that Limbaugh is also an idiot?

  62. PortlandMark says:

    I gotta give Obama credit, though: he admits his drug use and talks about the lessons he learned getting through that experience. I can’t think of any other politicians who’ve been so forthcoming.

  63. dissimilitude says:

    It really amazes me the extent to which simple name-recognition seems to affect likelihood of winning an election. It’s like the voting public just scans down the list and thinks “Ooh! I know that guy! I’ll vote for him!”

  64. No, cgray believes that all neocons are godlike geniuses while anyone even slightly to the left of him is a vile piece of dog poo. In the meantime, it’s also well-known that cgray has sex with farm animals.

  65. I kind of got the impression he was referring to Obama.

  66. viking gal, now with holiday mellow says:

    (I think the idiot cgray meant ‘Barry’ Obama, not Marion Barry)

  67. Nebton says:

    Yes, Louisiana’s Jefferson is a more recent example of this. I mean, WTF? The guy was caught with $100 grand in his freezer!

  68. dissimilitude says:

    Your bringing up of Louisiana reminds me of the 91 runoff for Governor there, when Edwin Edwards was up against David Duke and there were campaign signs that said “Vote for the Crook — it’s Important!”

  69. Default User says:

    He didn’t want it to spoil.

  70. PortlandMark says:

    (clears throat) Excuse me, but I must correct you: Jefferson was only caught with $90k in his freezer. Please keep your facts straight! :)

  71. viking gal, now with holiday mellow says:

    I heard that the other slogan was ‘better the lizard than the wizard!’ Louisiana is ‘special’!

  72. Nebton says:

    Hah! Yeah, I remember those. That’s one time where I did understand voting for the crook, though. Lesser of two evils, indeed.

  73. dissimilitude says:

    For sure!

  74. Sigma says:

    Actually this is kinda knew to me. Limbaugh a drug addict. Please edumicate.

  75. dissimilitude says:

    He had a prescription drug problem for a while.

    I just learned something else relevant while reading that — guess who filed an amicus brief on his behalf during the investigation? The ACLU. :-D

  76. Mina says:

    Scary part is that if Edwards could legally run again (ya know, if he wasn’t in prison) he’d probably be elected by a landslide. Here in LA we like our rice and our politicians dirty! ;)

  77. Jane St.Clair Glamorous First Lady of PK says:

    Yes but it would matter because of the problems listed above.

  78. dissimilitude says:

    Oh — considering the source you may well be right. Marion Barry’s so famous for being caught smoking crack, though, that it’s the logical jump.

  79. See, I didn’t even make that connection at first. Knowing who was posting, I automatically assumed he was talking about Obama since he likes to point out every irrelevant fact about Obama’s past. I mean, we liberals would never make fun of a…president’s…drug use…uh, never mind.

  80. mabsba says:

    I object to this continuous insulting of farm animals. And if it’s true, where’s PETA? This must be considered cruel and inhumane treatment of animals! *rings up PETA to have cgray ‘fixed’*

  81. Justacarolinian says:

    And as much as I don’t like Limbaugh, getting hooked on prescription drugs, after legitimate pain problems, is a world of difference than recreational drug addiction. They both need help, and I’ll admit that the two are often intermingled. I’ve known more than one good person that got hooked and struggled to manage both the pain and medication after major injuries and/or surgery.
    I’ve never done illicit drugs in my life, but one time a doc gave me morphine for kidney stones (after laying in pain for 8 hours) and I knew IMMEDIATELY how someone could get to like that. I was smart enough to know that flirting with that lady would be death. But between the relief from pain, and the high, that was an experience.

  82. Sigma says:

    Well, people call him a hypocrite already. Yes, he was sick for a while and grew addicted to the medication. Happens. Doesn’t make him a bad person. Nobody is perfect. Nobody. The key is that he HAD a drug problem. He doesn’t have a drug problem. People make mistakes, that doesn’t make them bad. Means they’re human.

  83. mabsba says:

    His addiction is not what I find objectionable. It’s the way he always did and still does bash other drug addicts. How does he know how they got addicted?

    I know a guy who got addicted to heroin after being treated with morphine for an injury in Vietnam. I feel only sympathy for him — but he doesn’t condemn others for their addictions (nor blame anyone else for his own, actually).

  84. oɹɹɐɥɔ says:

    Justa, did you know that a lot of “recreational drug addiction” can be attributed to undiagnosed mental disorders? People with anxiety or depression or any other disorder are susceptible to drug addiction because it helps them cope with what’s going on in their brains that they don’t understand.

    My mom has Schizoaffective Disorder and before it was diagnosed, she found that drinking calmed her nerves. Then she became an alcoholic. When her psychosis got way out of hand, and she got on meds, she stopped drinking.

    I have Borderline Personality Disorder (and major Depression woohoo), and I used to drink to cope as well. I started doing drugs when I was young, and I found that drugs made it easier to handle my insane anger issues. As you can also read, substance abuse is an actual symptom in the disorder.

    Many people with undiagnosed depression or anxiety do turn to street drugs to help them cope. A factor in this could be socio-economic status; and that many people don’t have insurance. To the un-insured you don’t go to a doctor unless you have to and it’s tough to self-realise certain symptoms of disorders. You find that when you’re sad or anxious, taking a drink helps. Or smoking some pot. Or any other of the myriad of drugs. Then you get hooked in the cycle of addiction so now you have to overcome that along with what can be a crippling mental disorder. Children from broken families (mine) tend to have bad coping skills and this can also lead to drug use and addiction. To me, and to addiction specialists, there is no difference in the how someone became or becomes an addict. It’s a medical problem and they need help.

    Also, one never stops being an addict. You can be clean for many years, but you never stop being an addict. I know, I’m still an addict.

  85. Justacarolinian says:

    I’m not a Limbaugh listener, and in truth never was. He happened to come on the news/traffic station I started listening to after taking a job as a courier. It didn’t take long for me to not like him. But I often heard him in bits, as I would be in and out of the truck making deliveries. But I do recall him talking about the difference between the recreational drug user years before his fall from grace. Not in every reference, mind you, but he did talk about it.
    There’s plenty of legitimate things to discuss about Limbaugh, but the drug thing is a straw man. I’ve never heard one quote that claims he has bashed someone who got hooked medically. I have heard him rant about people who choose to do nothing about it. And, like him or not, he did do something about it. He was forced into reality about it, but he didn’t run from it. Ask Froo for the details, as she is a Rush fan.
    And I have to give Kudos to the ACLU, as they did step in in his situation.

  86. Gypsy says:

    Careful, there. PeTA’s way of “fixing” animals involves an injection and a freezer.

    Oh, wait… I see what you did there!

  87. mabsba says:

    I have just read sections from show transcripts. Before he was caught, drug addiction was not a medical problem, it was a character flaw/weakness. WHen it was him, oh, he needed to go to rehab because he had a medical problem. And many quotes deriding athletes for drug use when many athletes become addicted to drugs the same way he says he did. (I just googled him and poked around a bit and found several pretty easily.)

    I never listen to him. I never listen to anyone, left or right, who does what I consider to be ‘rant radio.’ But I do hear clips from his show and read quotes in other media.

    And, yes, the ACLU, which has been bashed repeatedly today for being partisan/leftist/progressive/anti-conservative/etc, DID speak up for him. WHich just goes to show that they’ll speak up for ANYONE. ;)

  88. Justacarolinian says:

    I would be willing to bet that those quotes have been cut short. Just enough to enrage the left, but not enough to tell the truth. And like I also said, he is on record about the difference. Imagine if you had to clarify every detail every time you spoke.
    The whole Harry Reid thing was a perfect example of people taking him out of context. It’s the equivalent of quoting Barack Obama talking about some of his islamic upbringings, and not knowing the whole story, then declaring it as proof of his faith.
    Just in the bits and clips I have heard through the years, I have heard many things taken out of context. Like I said, hit him with honest things, not 3 minutes of a 3 hour conversation.
    Oh, and I don’t recall the ACLU being invited, they put themselves in. Rush had to accept it, but he didn’t ask for them to help. It’s not like he doesn’t have the money to get 1000 lawyers. And it’s like an arsonist running up and helping to fight a fire, to make themselves look good.

  89. mabsba says:

    And you’d be wrong. If you can stand to read them, there are entire pages of show transcripts online, which is what I read.

    Rush did not have to accept the ACLU’s help. They requested permission to file an amicus brief on his behalf because they felt, rightfully so in my opinion, that the DA violated FL law regarding setting aside doctor-patient confidentiality. I could not see any where who requested the ACLU to do so. It doesn’t say he asked but nor does it say he didn’t. You would have to do more research than I did if you actually wanted to know the answer.

    Your arson analogy makes no sense, btw. The fire the ACLU was trying to put out was the violation of Limbaugh’s civil rights (doctor-patient confidentiality), which they definitely did not start.

  90. Justacarolinian says:

    I didn’t say they started the fire. They ran in to make themselves look good.
    And as I said, he has been on record on the difference. I would also be suspect of those transcripts. There has been more than one time Media Matters wasn’t honest. You read what someone wanted you to read. Of course they wouldn’t include any reference to his entire thoughts. And don’t tell me that you expect every one to clarify every detail of every subject every time it’s mentioned. Nor does it change that he did get help.
    One of the things I despise the most about Rush IS his ego. But I’ve never heard him say he is perfect.
    I’m also suspect that you had the time to read 3 hours worth of transcripts that fast, therefore, you read portions. Portions that were presented to you in such a way as to present what you expected.

  91. mabsba says:

    That’s the definition of arsonist.

    Where the heck did you get Media Matters from? NOt to be rude, but you really should stop making assumptions. I simply googled transcripts for his show (you can find such things) and searched for addict and read those sections where he talks about drug use. So no one chose what I read except me, and I selected just by subject matter and based my statements on what the man said. Granted, he has thousands of pages of transcripts, but I looked through quite a few and stopped because they were redundant.

    BTW, he was given the choice of going to trial or going to rehab and drug testing for 18 months. So it isn’t as if he voluntarily went to rehab. Maybe you should refresh yourself on the facts of the case?

    Regardless, it is probably almost New Year’s there, so Happy New Year. I’m sure I’ll ‘see’ you next year. Good night.

  92. Justacarolinian says:

    An arsonist doesn’t start every fire they encounter.
    Media Matters is just one of many groups that has been caught taking things out of context, not telling the whole story, or just plain misquoting Rush.
    And you don’t have to be an ass about it. I know full well that you can find transcripts, I even mentioned that. But questioned the accuracy of such sources. When I googled it, the 3rd listing was to Snopes, where the cartoon Boondocks falsely accused Rush of wanting Sadam Hussein to gas drug addicts.
    And I know the facts of the case. That was an easy out for both sides. The prosecutor knew he bit off more than he could chew. And most likely broke the law himself. Rush went to rehab long before that deal was offered.
    In my own personal life, I’ve gotten so down that I didn’t realize how bad things were, until I was confronted. It happens. Including to casual drug users. Years of abuse and the destruction of your life and family should be that same confrontation. Some choose to remain. Rush didn’t. To me, that’s the difference between an addict and a junkie.

  93. mabsba says:

    I don’t know how you can legitimately question the source of the transcripts I read when you are the who assumed that source. I simply asked you not to make assumptions, and you decided that called for vulgar name calling. I’m not interested in that kind of discussion.

    PS I don’t know why you’re going on about the snopes.com link. It clearly and accurately points out that the statement was false.

  94. Justacarolinian says:

    You decided to be vulgar with the way you belittled me with your comments.
    I doubt you got your info from RUSH/24/7. And like I said, I can’t see you read entire show transcripts in the short time we have been discussing them. That leaves you with reading bits and pieces. And considering I have actually been listening and know what was said, it tells me you are being fed what people want you to hear.
    And so you know, an Ass is simply an old mule. Stubborn, and only wants it’s way. It’s usually manipulated by putting blinders on it.

  95. mabsba says:

    Let’s see: first you don’t listen, then you do. First you say kudos to ACLU for helping, then they’re just in it for the publicity. Make up your mind.

    Then you just start name calling. I don’t care how you justify it. You are an adult; if someone says someone that offends you, say so and give them a chance to straighten it out. I certainly never mean to belittle anyone, but you are being intentionally derisive. You are CHOOSING to be rude on purpose.

  96. Justacarolinian says:

    Kudo’s for doing it. Questioning why they did it.
    I listened for a few months, decided I didn’t like it. But, as traffic info was a necessity to me, in the days before GPS and Cell Phone Apps, I left the radio on. Not always, but when it was necessary for my location, or I simply was too busy to change the channel.
    You were belittling, and I called you on it. Face up to it. Don’t hee haw around. And there’s no way you can convince me that you didn’t CHOOSE to be belittling. I was the one mentioning finding quotes on the net. I simply questioned the completeness of them. And the accuracy of some. I also brought up the fact that you didn’t have time to have read the transcript for an entire show, much less all the shows where he mentions drug addictions.
    Froo can tell you, I really dislike Rush, and think he takes more away than he contributes. She and I have had that smack down. But don’t blindly follow the blind. Especially those with monetary and political interests in hurting Rush, or anyone else for that matter.

  97. mabsba says:

    Well, since you can read my thoughts and tell what I meant, there is no sense in arguing with you about what I actually meant.

    And probably you will say this is belittling you, but did it occur to you that I actually read about Rush’s case when it was current and all I was doing tonight was double checking things I had previously read? I received several viral emails both for and against hiim when the case was in the news, and that was when I first read through some actual transcripts. But it was a while ago, so I did go back and skim to verify what I remembered. So I suppose it’s entirely my fault that I said ‘read’ instead of ‘re-read’ or ‘reviewed’ that entitles you to call me a liar instead of politely asking how I read so much so quickly.

    Maybe I should come up with some excuse to explain why I don’t always express myself as clearly as I would hope?

  98. Justacarolinian says:

    I can’t read your thoughts, I just read what you posted. And, giving you the benefit of the doubt, I would hope that you wouldn’t be fooled by partial statements. Any more than I wouldn’t want people to be fooled by someone quoting our president saying “his muslim faith.” When not reading a teleprompter, he has made a lot of incomplete statements, and even plain old fashioned mistakes. We all do. Heck, throw in the 57 states comment, and it really begins to make a picture. (not really, but I hope you get the point)
    And no matter how anyone twists it, there is a difference in a recreational drug addict and a medically addicted problem. Like Rush or not, the beginnings and the endings show not a hypocrite, but rather a strong character. If you think you are above something like that happening to you, watch out. Rock bottom is waiting for you.

  99. dissimilitude says:

    Thanks a lot you guys. Now I have Billy Joel singing “We Didn’t Start the Fire” stuck in my head. :roll:

  100. Justacarolinian says:

    Buddy Holly, “Ben-Hur”, space monkey, Mafia
    hula hoops, Castro, Edsel is a no go

    U2, Syngman Rhee, payola and Kennedy
    Chubby Checker, “Psycho”, Belgians in the Congo

    Yeah, I get them at earwigs r us.

  101. Justacarolinian says:

    *snerk* High five dude!

  102. Default User says:

    I’m a prefect person.

  103. Mina says:

    Excuse me, but if he had a drug problem, he still has a drug problem. Just ask any recovering addict. Same with alcoholics. Once and alcoholic, always and alcoholic. Only difference is the “recovering” part.

  104. froofrou is in the future! says:

    Is your first name Ford?

  105. froofrou is in the future! says:

    And your voters dead ;-)

  106. viking gal, now with holiday mellow says:

    Owwwww!

  107. Jane St.Clair Glamorous First Lady of PK says:

    I did too but I was having too much fun watching people ten times more knowledgeable than cgray completely jump over his poo slinging and have an actual interesting and meaningful discussion to point it out.

  108. Mina says:

    No, no, no. We just love to vote so much that we don’t let a silly thing like being dead stop us from doing so. :)

  109. viking gal, now with holiday mellow says:

    :)
    I can totally understand enjoying that!

  110. She knows where her towel is.

  111. Self-deprecating humor FTW!

  112. Default User says:

    If it had been a regular who had posted that reply instead of Nebbi (who is new and therefore didn’t know cgray always refers to Obama as Barry), I would have assumed they had intentionally misinterpreted it just to annoy cgray.

  113. Default User, The Morrigu for the day. says:

    To be fair, his kidneys and gall bladder are also make of rock so it’s not really that noticeable when he gets kidney/gall stones.

  114. Default User, The Morrigu for the day. says:

    And remember: [big friendly letters] Don’t Panic [/big friendly letters]

  115. Nebton says:

    Next time I’ll do it deliberately.

  116. mabsba says:

    Thank you, Charro, for that excellent explanation. One of my friends became homeless because of her mental illness for exactly the reason you described — she ‘self medicated’ with alcohol because it made the voices go away and ended up losing her job and everything. It sounded much like going down a really mild hill that you don’t even realize is sloped down until you find you’re at the bottom. She has whatever they call schizophrenia now plus bipolar.

    But she’s no longer a newt! :) (I.e., ‘got better’)

  117. Facebook, the Black Hole says:

    I know people who use marijuana to treat a variety of mental problems including ADHD and Bi-Polar disorder.

  118. oɹɹɐɥɔ says:

    Sounds like Schizoaffective.. Schizophrenia plus a mood disorder. It’s still called Schizophrenia, but when it co-occurs with a mood disorder it becomes Schizoaffective. Mom heard voices too. She had some bizarre delusions. I worry about her a lot because sometimes her meds stop working and then she goes nuts again.

  119. oɹɹɐɥɔ says:

    Yeah weed calms you down. It makes me vomit though.

    Much like the jager+beer+champagne I had last night. I didn’t get out of bed until 8pm and couldn’t keep water down until then either. I was puking bile and spit. Awful. Happy fukcing new year to me.

  120. When I worked at Jack in the Box I had a guy working for me who was only useful when he smoked weed due to ADHD.

  121. mabsba says:

    Ew. TMI. Can we go back to talking about the voices in our heads…um…other people’s heads?

    And now I’m really sorry that I offered you Baileys earlier. Maybe some nice French bread?

  122. oɹɹɐɥɔ says:

    You offered Bailey’s? I did not see that. Most gracious.

    I’m thinking some soup and ginger ale might be in order.

  123. mabsba says:

    Ah, different thread, after we stole your drugs. (Well, Ed stole them; we just consumed them.)

    Soup is good. My mother would probably recommend sticking to one type of alcohol, but it’s a little late for that suggestion. :)

  124. oɹɹɐɥɔ says:

    Damn Eds and his drug stealing.

    Yeah, I know I’m not supposed to mix, I’m an experienced drinker from way back. But, it was midnight and there was champagne and I was already drunk and then they were like have a jager bomb and my dumbass said ok.. I think I threw up on their shower curtain. Oh back to the TMI thing.. Sorry..

  125. mabsba says:

    Ah, well. It’s fun to laugh* at those who are still young enough to do dumb things. :D

    *But only in a totally sympathetic way — like laughing when someone ELSE’s two-year-old throws a tantrum in a store and yours is 16. There are joys in having a teenager, mostly that you no longer have a two-year-old! :twisted:

  126. Default User, The Morrigu for the day. says:

    Stick to one type? So I shouldn’t have had the rum, midori, and champagne? And absinthe…I think I had absinthe? I don’t remember…Luckily I don’t follow Charro’s lead and other than a mildly upset stomach I’m fine. *hands Charro the Canada Dry ginger ale and chicken soup*

  127. oɹɹɐɥɔ says:

    nom nom nom

  128. Default User, The Morrigu for the day. says:

    It’s also a smart move politically. Much better to be open and forth coming about it than to try and bury it and have it come up later and bite you in the ass.

  129. Jane St.Clair Glamorous First Lady of PK says:

    Yay for honesty. That was my parents approach. Yeah, I went to college in the 70′s and I did drugs. Here’s what happened to me and people I knew. Best lesson ever and you don’t feel like your parents don’t understand you because they “never did anything wrong”.

  130. This sounds very much like my uncle, who is schizophrenic with some other psychotic disorder (I think). He’s also an alcoholic. He lives with my grandparents.

  131. oɹɹɐɥɔ says:

    Sounds like oodles of fun.

    Damn. I can’t imagine what it would be like to have TWO psychotic disorders!

  132. oɹɹɐɥɔ says:

    Gods now I want some Jack in the Box! Curse you Rando Twenty Ten!


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