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(OJ Simpson)
And still he dances. (Via Rolfrazzi)
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Strike two! One more strike and PK is outta there!
i wonder if they’re intentionally posting the most awful “LOLs” they can find because they know it pisses us off.
i know i’m going to regret this… but i’d rather an EWAsshat lolame over this crap. at least his/her crap gets us talking about how we don’t want to be preached at.
this just sucks.
Surely someone could have come up with something about the look on OJ’s face. That picture alone is worth a chuckle. The caption just ruins it totally.
exactly. when i saw that face i thought something along the lines of it being a face he’d make a lot of once in prison. but i can’t make it funny… apparently that didn’t stop pastorbob. *headdesk*
Hmmm: And here we see OJ practicing his surprise butt-secks face after receiving the verdict.
How’s that? Too wordy?
hmm, close… maybe something like this…
“the shock of the verdict was nothing compare to meeting his cell mate later that night”
That one got an out-loud giggle, shorty!
yay! go me!!
See? You CAN make funny LOLs! I’m so proud of my Shorty right now! And I’m glad it’s Oralday, so I can properly show my appreciation! *carries shorty off to a warm snuggly place*
*feebly attempts to escape*
*gives in all theatrically*
*makes some sort of broad statement about “against my will”*
I’m going to have to buy jewelry now, aren’t I? *whimper*
well, i wouldn’t turn down something sparkly (edward cullen is completely and totally excluded here. he would most definitely be turned down), but you’re not obligated…
Whutchooo talkin’ bout, guilty?
No! Bad shortright! *whacks with newspaper*
ooooh. do it again! that was fun!
On behalf of the lawyers…..Fvck in the general direction of off, PastorBob.
I thought of you when I saw this, diss. I like your syntax.
I think I stole that from Eddie. I like it, too.
Bravo! Well put diss!
*giggles* A few years ago my cousin was studying for law school and all my was making evil lawyer jokes at her, so I told everyone to be nice, remember, 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name. I said it in such a supportive tone (supportive of my cousin) that she actually started to thank me for taking her side before she realized what I had said.
Ack! My shrubbery! Come back!
Sorry, I’ve put an injunction on your shrubbery for the lawyer joke.
Nooooo! *cries*
Stupid Gravatar, giving me trouble. *tries again*
*mutters* Gravatar isn’t working and wordpress isn’t working. The universe hates me today.
The knights stole DU’s shrubbery!
Yay! It’s back!
Did you have to slay the knights?
She probably just flashed them. ( I know, I’m on a flashing kick today.)
You say that as if there’s something wrong with that.
Sh!t. I thought that was an anti-Bush message (broccoli stalk.) lol!
No, it’s my shrubbery. I’m hiding in a shrubbery on Eddies lawn so the republicans can’t get me. *puts on tin foil hat* I’ve been hiding here so long that I’ve actually installed a full bar, and a guest bedroom. I’m thinking about putting in a pool table next.
alright, this is just TOO boring… *attempting to spark discussion/start a flame war*
cnn ran an article this morning talking about how people have stopped donating to haiti and there’s starting to be a backlash against the amount of time spent covering haiti in the news because it’s no longer “popular”.
discuss.
I’d suggest that “people have stopped donating” probably = “people responded very quickly to the urgent need for donations and have mostly already donated.” It’s not like 50 years ago when donations were going to be trickling in in paper checks.
No kidding! I mean, this makes it totally brainless — all you need to have done is learned phonics so you don’t accidentally use a “W”: “Mobile Giving: Text the word “QUAKE” to 20222 to donate $10 to the Clinton Bush Haiti Fund, charged to your cell phone bill.”
That’s a good point. The texting the money thing made it quick and easy for a lot of people to donate without it being an inconvenience.
That was Ducks Unlimited.
And I think I just donated to the Save the Big-Eared Alien fund (QUARK)
Ooops, I think I donated to Citizens for More Beer Foundation (QUART)
No, HOW, thats “FORTY”.
Niiice, Diss. *standing ovation*
i sent my donation into “GROWLER”… “FORTY” is lower quality. “GROWLER” supports their local microbrews.
Damn, I just donated to the Don’t Let Cheney Go Hunting Again Foundation (QUAIL)
Are you sure it wasn’t the Stop Illiteracy Association (QUAYLE)?
I just donated to the Society of Friends (QUAKER)
I think I’ll send my donation to the geologists (QUARTZ)
I think I just donated to Foundation of Dreamers and Wishers (QUAALUDE)
Wouldn’t that be the physicists’ fund?
The physicists could be Trekkies….
I’ve seen the reaction “Why should we give a flying rat’s arse about Haiti and why is it so much in our media when we have our own problems at home?” from some Facebook people, whom I though I knew but apparently don’t anymore. :p
You know, I think unless they’re updating their FB status while trapped underneath a pile of rubble, seems like “our own problems at home” should have a whole new perspective.
Oh, buggery, I had misread it. At least mostly.
“…finds it hypocritical that 20+ networks band together to raise money for Haiti relief while New Orleans right here in our own country is still a disaster YEARS after the hurricane. Hello! Charity starts at home… just my .02″
was what it said, more precisely.
You want to see New Orleans a disaster? Wait for them to win the Super Bowl. They’ll tear that place apart!
TOO SOO- Wait…
NEEEEVER HAAAAAAAAPPENED!!
Yet.
Well we can keep hope alive…
As long as she stays hooked to the machines..
Apparently your friend didn’t get the memo that Katrina is not to be mentioned, especially in comparison to Haiti, to avoid the impression that the current administration is “phoning it in”.
Exactly the kind of comments that made me remember the post as worse than it was. Thanks for illustrating that so well.
Perhaps your ire would be more productive if it were directed towards the people who politicize disasters in the first place, and say things like “never let a crisis go to waste”. Just a suggestion.
Why would my ire be productive if I did that?
Leave it to Dhoti to try to turn the discussion political. *sigh*
I know – on second thought I realised my question was more about why he thinks my ire should be directed at him, but hey – maybe he just likes the feeling of knowing people are angry at him? Who am I to judge that? I love being angry at people, so that’s pretty much the same thing, I guess. :p
You missed the point — which was that I was criticizing your friend for being stuck in a political narrative and unable to respond to the situation intelligently. Your assumptions are somewhat baffling.
Oh. I didn’t at <i<all read his post as politicizing anything, that was why I totally misunderstood what you were saying. Serious apologies for that misunderstanding!
Fair enough — and I leapt to a conclusion or two myself, for which I apologize.
This! This, people! Right here! *points at Danbla and Dhoti* “I misunderstood! I’m sorry!” “It’s okay, I leapt to conclusions, I’m sorry too!” Look! *points and waves some more* It’s easy! So easy! Anyone can do it!
After realising that we weren’t actually talking about the same thing due to the misunderstanding, continuing would have been illogical.
*hides pointy ears*
So the aliens didn’t land in Roswell; they landed in Sweden, and they were Vulcans! Does explain a lot, you know…
*sigh* Well THAT was disappointing.
Well, shortright was trying to start a flame war. Looks like she got one. shortright is a WARMONGER!!!
MURRRDERRRERRRRRRR!!!!111!!1!!!
hey, my office is cold… i need the flames today! don’t begrudge me the heat (and the resultant smores)…
I could kill a troll and build a pyre for you, Shortie. But it’ll super stinky.
It’s still better than reacting in such a way to reinforce this crap, no?
Reinforce which crap?
(As per the development of our conversation above, I no longer ask that question.
)
I realize that giggling about the image of someone on a laptop updating a FB status from under a pile of rubble will send me straight to Hell, do not pass GO….
But I giggled anyway.
Anyone need something from the Lake O’ Fire while I’m there?
Is it the Land O’ Lakes O’ Fire? Cuz I’m fresh out of butter.
I’m afraid all the butter down there is clarified. There is a hot Indian girl, though……I mean, Native American girl…..She’s Satan’s concubine, so you might have to talk with the big guy about it…
*sigh* I just wanted some butter. *mopes*
*gives Rando some fresh Wisconsin butter* It’s probably frozen like everything else up here, but it’s still tasty.
Whoa. WISCONSIN butter? Oh fvck yeah.
One of the few advantages of living in the frozen tundra. LOL
Oh, I know all about Wisconsin. I’ve been there in the winter. Hell even in the early spring it’s freaking icy there. I’m the only poor kid who got dragged by his parents to Wisconsin for Spring Break.
The first year I moved up here, we still had snow in May. MAY!!! I’m from Oklahoma where it’s hot in May. I admit that the summers here are spectacular, but winter is brutal. I just stay inside and pray for warmth.
My mom used to talk about moving up there a lot. She loves it there, even in the winter. I think she’s NUTS.
It is beautiful up here, no matter what season, but I agree. I really do love it here, but as the winter drags on, you start forgetting why you love it. It would be great if I liked to snowboard or ski, but that’s not my thing. I would probably break my neck trying to do something like that. I would love to ice fish but I’m not sitting on a bucket, freezing my a$$ off trying to catch a fish. Fishing shacks are expensive and I can think of a lot of other things I would rather spend money on.
The year I was there we had some three or so winter days when school was closed. Not Snow Days, though, just Fecking Cold Days. (Cars wouldn’t start, and the school buses were probably even less willing to do so.)
Ahem, we got snow last June……beat that Wisconsin!
I will happily let you win that particular contest. :O)
We were in Yellowstone in June a couple of years ago: one day 80F, the next 30F and a horizontal blizzard.
Yay, I win. What did I win?
Mabs, please translate. 30 degrees here is sweating hot.
Nucky, um, 32 is freezing, so just below 0C. And that was mid-afternoon.
We still went to see geysers — actually it was very Hounds of the Baskervilles looking.
Nucky, (in my best game show announcer voice) a fabulous trip to the Bahamas. You can be lounging on a beautiful white sandy beach, with naked cabana boys fanning you with palm fronds, while your fellow canuckians are freezing there fannies off. This can all be yours….if the price is right.
@Krisee: I have to pay for my prize? Sounds like it’s worth it. How much?
@mabs: just below 0? Pshaw, you wuss.
Nucky, how about a drive-by flashing?
I think that would probably do it.
But, Nucky, in late June? At 3pm? And we were on vacation?
*does a drive by boobie flash just for Krisee and disappears with a giggle and a booty wiggle* I do those for free, Kris
Sweet! Your travel agent will be contacting you soon to arrange the flight and hotel. Did I mention you have to take me with you? It was in the fine print on page elebenty billion. Right there in plain sight.
But happy cows come from Cowlifornia!
You can have your steak done right in the pasture with all the wild fires they have out there.
I like my cows cold!
I prefer them with onions and Mrs Dash.
JAC… Mr. Dash would like to have a word with you…..
Well, you can bring me back some bacon. I’m sure it’ll be crispy.
Stop making me hungry for bacon when I don’t have any bacon!!11!1!!111!
Bacon-wrapped kitty-roca. Did that help?
I know right? If Krisee sends along some Wisconsin summer sausage my life will be complete.
*gnaws on venison summer sausage with cheese and jalapeno*
What? I can’t hear you over the sound of this awesome….
*sends Rando some summer sausage and a variety of cheeses* cuz I’m just that awesome. LOL
froooooooo i want venison. now i’m craving venison.
OMG why cheese, summer sausage, and butter. OMG why can’t the Internet be real????
Mmmmmmmmm venison. *drools*
Oooooh, yes. Venison. *gurgle* Oopss.
I’m having venison fingers and garlic mashed for dinner tonight.. *homer drool*
Psst…Deer don’t have fingers.
lol! I live next to Hanford!
j/k… like chicken fingers, only leaner and yummier!
I feel like elitist scum now. I just made up a big pot of linguine with red clam sauce. With capers. *sigh*
Enjoy that slimy sea-trash and boiled strings of dough, there, Ivan…. why do you think people were hung for killing stags on the king’s land in the bad-ol-days, Ivan?
“why do you think people were hung for killing stags on the king’s land in the bad-ol-days”
Ah, so it’s not really “venison” fingers is it??!! It’s fingers from people who killed deer. Eeewwww. You’re a cannibal!!
Soylent Venison is people!
Because he had AT&T and didn’t have 3G coverage?
That would make a great Verizon commercial, hehe.
“Sure, AT&T might have an app to help keep you alive, but if you can’t make the phone call to let people know where you are, then what good is it? We’re Verizon, and we’ve got a map for that.”
Well, because the quake pretty much completely knocked out communications/cell towers, stuff like that. I doubt he could have gotten a signal standing ON TOP of the hotel, much less under it.
Away with you and your logic, devil witch woman!!! *hiss hiss* A pox on you!
*snort* I thought everyone knew that cell phones use invisible magic airwaves.
I don’t know. We have a canuck news source reporting that a Canadian texted for help from his hotel room.
*goes back to her corner and continues believing that unicorns are real*
They ARE real. You just have to be a virgin to see them.
Well, crap. Waaaaaaay too late for me then.
In EVERY orifice, or ANY orifice…
OMG That’s effing hilarious! *speeddials Verizon*
Hello, Verizon….. what do you mean TOOOOO SOOON!!!
save me a seat on the bus to the lake o’ fire… i just had to stifle a laugh on that one.
i read that same article and while it’s great he was able to save his life i really wanted to smack the writer… it might as well have just said “buy an iphone it saved this guys life! i love apple products!”
I was on failbooking yesterday and they had one where some idiot was going off on Haiti and something about celebrating dead American soldiers or something. The retard got Haiti confused with Somalia. How the FVCK do you do that????
Takes mad skillz.
That’d be like saying, “Yeah, what’s that country with all the moose and the hockey and the guys who say ‘eh?’ Isn’t that Nepal?” The countries aren’t even close!
They’re all brown/black people. They’re all interchangeable, right?
And they’re not Americans, so fvck ‘em, right?
Clearly. They’re less worthy and whatnot. How dare they be born outside this country! They deserve what they’ve got!
So, to recap, Haiti is a city in Nepal county, in Somalia province in Canada, which is somewhere in the Caribbean?
Right, and that’s a warm tropical breeze outside and I am wearing a bikini and a sarong.
I have to admit I’m a little bewildered here. Upthread, we’re isolationist because we’d rather help our own than those from another country. Downthread, we’re bemoaning the fact that we’re adopting internationally rather than adopting our own. *haz a confoozled*
On the surface it looks like that, yes. I don’t really see any complaints about anyone being isolationist, though – what I see is complaints about people being sick of the Haitian disaster just because it’s been repeated too often, which is a rather terrible reaction, in my eyes, and complaints about perspective. Yes – all nations, all people have their own problems and they should be dealt with, but right now Haiti is a bit more urgent.
Hee hee. *watches to see if NDW’s head will explode* I must confess that I find the image of Americans (or any other people) going to another country and ‘taking’ their children somewhat disturbing. It seems a bit arrogant. “Well, you don’t want them, so we’ll take them.” But the same people don’t want OUR kids. It all seems weird to me. But I’m one of those strange people who carefully planned my family.
Oh, dear, I think I’m ranting again. Can I chalk it up to all day migraine and living somewhere where it seems as if half the parents aren’t? *goes to look for drugs*
*splort* HEH!
I’m one of those crazees too. Shortly after he was born I had to cut off my son’s left forearm to make the .89 my income could sustain at its current level. j/k!!!
Well, you gotta do what you gotta do.
We entertain ourselves by watching him pick his nose with his stump. Hillbillies, and such.
I dunno froo.. all you white people look alike to me
YOU don’t do that. Your brother/sister parents procreating? That did that.
Danabla
Give the names of those people so I can flame them to hell. I’m sorry but it’s just a personal thing for me. I have friends whose family members died over there. My pastor lost his eldest daughter, my coworker lost a brother-in-law, my gf lost 2 uncles, a friend of mine lost 7 cousins, another lost his brother, aunt, & grandmother, my mother lost her best friend, the list goes on and on.
When the earthquake happened it really humbled me. Our problems are an insignificant speck of dust compared to the problems in Haiti. I’ve only been there twice. Once when I was five for my grandad’s funeral and 3 years ago for a missions trip. What I saw then only scratched the surface.
And what’s pissing me off even worse, is that once again, the fvcked up government is lining their pockets with donation money! How the hell is the “upkeep” for the palace is still here, the employees who work at the palace still getting paid, but a hospital is shutting down due to LACK OF FUNDING?!?!
This may be quite socialist/welfareist of me to say, but if we have the resources to give corporate fat cats $700,000,000,000 FAILOUTS, why don’t we give 9 million people a million dollars each and be done with it?!
STOP giving the money to government officials! They’ll just steal it! At least put non-profit organizations or Americanized Haitians like myself or Wyclef in charge of the funds since we know what the hell to do with it! After Popa Doc, Baby Doc, Aristide, & a multitude of other “leaders” who’ve pilaged Haiti’s finances, it’s like the world banks can’t learn. What’s worse is, how exactly do these crooks come to power? Haiti’s elections are based on pure popular vote. From what many family members told me, Aristide was NOT well liked to begin with.
It makes me think twice about my dad’s conspiricy theories that the Western World does not want to see a successful black nation…
Wyclef appears to be on the take, so he’s probably a bad choice, but there are plenty of good non-profits and NGOs that would put your money to good use.
I won’t even get into what rubbish that conspiracy is, except to mention “The Plan”.
“Give the names of those people so I can flame them to hell”
I am hoping it was just a thinking accident.
And yeah, Haiti’s history is interesting, to say the least. I don’t think there’s a conspiracy, but man, has Haiti ever been fecked over. And over. And over again. :/
It was never popular. Don’t you watch “The 700 Club?” Satanists brought it on themselves, dontchaknow.
Actually, no, I don’t watch the 700 Club and never did.. I gave up on TV Evangelists when my heroes, Jim and Tammy Fay Baker screwed me over!
As for donating to Haiti, I think diss hit spot on. It’s almost as if CNN has forgotten that we are now living in an age of instant communication and response.
Totally agree. I know I just signed on to my bank and entered my digits… incidentally, did you hear about the “Clinton Bush Haiti Fund?” When I was half-listening to HBO Boxing After Dark last night all I heard was “Clinton Bush Hate Fun” and I had to listen it again… lol!!!
No worries! That’s exactly what I thought when I misheard the announcer. WHUT? THOSE TWO JOKERS? Don’t they epotomize post-orez hedonism???
No longer popular, I doubt. Played over and over and over and over till everyone’s eyes and ears are bleeding is more like it.
Which is unfortunately how they ruin virtually every news story.
Preach it brother! (that’s a joke, ok?)
Clearly JAC by the definition of preach:
1. You suck. I rock.
You’re wrong!
I heard if you text “SERIALADULTERER” to 20222 it donates $10 to Elin Woods’ divorce attorney.
Text EWADAMSSUX to 21212 to donate $10 to the “Kick EWAdams’ ass” fund.
I’m hoping we’ll at least open our borders to anyone who needs to leave to survive. (Why anyone would want to come to this piss cold country is another matter entirely. :p )
It beats a pile of rubble.
For sure!
Like totally.
You remind me of an old Disney cartoon, where this penguin is always cold, no matter what he does. After several attempts, he finally gets a boat made, and is sailing for warm climates. After lots of hassle, he makes it, and at first is over joyed. After a while, he realizes now that is always hot, and begins to yearn for the cold of home.
Your piss is cold??? O.o
Yes, if you lived in Sweden, your piss would also be cold.
Yup. I’m poikilotherm, after all. :p
I saw on the news last week that Obama granted temporary amnesty to illegal Haitian immigrants. If they’re here illegally, they can stay here for the time being at least. It’s not exactly opening the borders, but it helps.
You know, I was thinking yesterday that the level of destruction (coupled with, “yeah, it wasn’t in such great shape anyway”) might make Haiti (or the part that’s near Port au Prince) a great place to try something like they did rebuilding Greensburg, Kansas after the tornado. Maybe get some corporate sponsorship and investment in exchange for the company’s being able to use the rebuilding efforts as a showcase for their newest, most efficient building materials or something.
You know, that’s the same thing I’ve been saying for a couple of weeks now. What many of my collegues are afraid of is that these corporations will basically turn Haiti into the Western world version of Chinese sweat shops.
“Corporate power is just as dangerous as government power” is what they say.
Hmm. Well, I guess that would be something you’d want to be careful of, but it seems like something that could be avoided.
It could definetely be avoided. But not with government oversight (for obvious reasons). Probably with non-profits or an educated populace.
Or a system where the workers actually have a say in the company’s budget, policies, their own work schedules, what work they’d like to do that day or week, etc.
But that’s *GASP* socialism.
Wouldn’t that be more along the lines of communism?
… but I guess there are a multitude of subcategories for both and some overlap.
Or a really large limited partnership or coop sort of thing.
That’s “co-op”. *sigh*
Diss about wet myself thinking “She really wants to stick them in sheds?!”
That’s where you have a chicken coop for the executives.
Sounds like a good place to keep them.
OMG, it’s a socialist. Beat it with a stick.
(Just kidding, Know. *Does a drive by boobie flash and disappears with a giggle*)
I had heard that Hope for Haiti raised around $67 million and the Canadian version raised around $27 million, half of which was donated by our government. Hopefully, they will now use the money wisely.
*Sits in the corner and pretends that unicorns exist*
Oh, the “they” here refers in general to the people in charge, who tend to spend the aid money on stupid stuff that’s useless to the people in need.
Oooh, Shortright’s post above reminded me of something else I was thinking would be good fuel for discussion: I have also heard people express the opinion that when we’re struggling financially as a nation, the government as an entity shouldn’t be helping out other countries (such as Haiti) and that crises like this should be dealt with purely by charitable donations; basically the “We need to take care of our country first” argument.
Which got me to thinking about something else: I find it really annoying that people go out of the country to adopt kids from other countries when there’s kids languishing in foster care in the US who are very adoptable. That’s right, they’re not newborns in general, they may not be white, and they might have some problems. I think people like celebrities who adopt kids from other countries (Angelina, Madonna, etc.) add to the sense that it’s cool and trendy. It pisses me off that there’s people who would spend a ton of time and money to adopt a little black kid from Somalia or something but won’t consider the little black kid from across town.
It’s because people are for more afraid of our black people than they are other countries’ black people. Which is just SAD.
Too many obstacles to mixed-race adoptions in America, diss.
Then getting rid of remaining obstacles should be a priority for us as a country. (And I do know a couple who had to go to the state supreme court to adopt the girl who ended up being their daughter because she was half-black, so I realize it has been an issue, but DAMN, it’s the 21st century! That was about 15-20 years ago.)
You won’t get any argument from me. Lived it.
THis happened where we lived in CA about 15 years ago. The white couple fostering a black boy wanted to adopt him, but people objected. I actually wrote a letter to the editor asking how they thought they were going to find a black family to adopt the kid when they couldn’t find a black family to even foster him? They didn’t print it.
Kids don’t see color; they see whether or not someone WANTS them and LOVES them.
I so agree dissimilitude & mabsba!! Kids need love and if there is someone who wants to give that love, then we should engourage them amd make it possible.
The other thing that irked me (and this is probably why they didn’t print my letter) is that if MY kid was up for adoption, they wouldn’t be fussing that he needed a “British-French-Canadian-American” adoptive family to ‘ensure his cultural identity.’ Nope, any ‘white’ family would do. ‘Cuz all us white folks got the same culture.
That is correct, mabsba. We all wear Lilly Pulitzer and eat crab salad with too much mayo and listen to Barry Manilow. If you do not do these things, you may not be properly White.
Well, I’m really a kind of pinkish-very light brown (sunny here, you know).
I’m Viking-American, which is why I didn’t know Lilly-whatever either. After googling, so NOT my thing! And I kind of wish I had worn sunglasses to look at that site…
It’s like someone puked the pastel rainbow.
PS Is it good or bad that I had to google Lilywhatever?
Good. Definitely good. I call it “Clothing for the Rich and Tragically Colorblind”.
Means you aren’t white. *claims her 1/8 Mexican heritage for her own ignorance regarding the lily thing*
Well, I have some Native American (very small some), but it’s so far back it’s probably Canadian, which makes it First People, I think. Nucky?
First Nations or First People. Also referred to here simply as natives.
I’m half Irish, so at some points in our nation’s great racial history I wouldn’t have been considered exactly “white” either. Ironic, since we’re pretty darn close to transparent.
GODS NO YER NOT WHITE YAH SLIMY MICK!!!!
I guess my hatred of Lilly Pulitzer should have been a tipoff. I don’t play golf, either. And I don’t really care if I have dandelions in my lawn. *slinks away to go be all Ethnic*
Dandilions are flowers! I have to pull them, because I don’t want to use herbicides: I like my yard-violets!
Ugh, the only thing worse than a black person is a transparent person!
I have a cousin who’s skin is so pale that the first few layers actually do look transparent. She even thinks about sunlight and she starts to burn. *goes back to being grateful she got her skin from the Mexican side of her family*
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCIIIISSSSSSSSST!!!
No, seriously, what do you mean by “the only thing worse than a black person…” O.o
It was a joke. A racist who thinks black people are bad would think race of transparency is worse. I don’t actually think there’s anything wrong with black people (no more so than any other demographic). I think I should have changed my name to evil racist for that post to make that more clear. Sorry if I offended.
I get that. But out of context it looks totally bad… hence the pre-emptive strike for explanatory reasons why you are still present
Makes sense for me Diss
We have a problem here with Native children needing homes and the tribal chiefs making noises about Native children needing to be raised on the reserves. I get it, totally. But there just aren’t enough foster homes on reserves for these kids, so they end up in group homes.
Hollywood elite look more altrusitic and magnanimous when they adopt outside the country and it increases their international fan base. Regular people can’t afford the exhorbiant rates and miles of red tape to adopt inside the country and it decreases their ability to care about kids in their own neighborhoods being abused and neglected. Lose-lose.
The international adoption agencies don’t tend to disclose the malnutrition, lead poisoning or other issues. There have been a couple cases I’ve read about locally where the kids were really seriously messed up, to the point that the parents were desperate for help. I’m speaking of institutionalization-level sociopath, etc.
I couldn’t agree more with your comment about foreign adoptions. I think we should offer more tax breaks to people who adopt American foster kids and increase the amount for older kids. I personally have never understood why we stop paying foster parents when they decide to adopt one of their charges. As taxpayers, it’s cheaper for us in the long run (as the kids turn out better). I’ve known people who wanted to do this, but really couldn’t afford it.
Depending on what state you live in, you do receive a monthly payment for each child after they are adopted. The amount is higher, the older the child.
I think you’re wrong about that. In most cases, payments from the state end once a foster child has been adopted, unless that child is special needs and deemed unadoptable.
They have something in my state called “Subsidized Permanent Guardianship” which seems to be kind of a compromise between foster care and adoption. If somebody’s approved for it, they don’t have to continue with all the foster care minutiae, and still receive the support from the state. Not the same as adoption, but probably something that helps some people out in that situation.
Most states consider children “special needs” if they are older than an infant. I can only speak for WI, IL & OK though, as those are the only states I have either actively pursued adoption, or have friends who have adopted. The child also has state health insurance until they are 18 as well, like SoonerCare, BadgerCare, etc.
Oh yeah, I know they have health insurance until they are 18, and I’m down with that. But in my research, they have to be deemed “otherwise unadoptable” due to specific special needs for the family to be elligible for continuing payments from the state, as it should be.
Completely off topic, but “BadgerCare” cracked me up.
It sounds like pet insurance. LOL
Me too! lol! It’s like buying Bear Insurance!!!
So I guess we just need to fix that in the other states. That’s good that some places are doing it right.
I disagree. Payments from the state are SUPPOSED to end once a family assumes responsibility for the child. That’s what adoption pretty much means… a family assumes responsibility for the needs and welfare of the child, financial and emotional.
So it’s better for a child to remain in foster care with no security?
Where did I say that?
I said that some people can NOT adopt their foster kids because their money is too tight, yet they could if the payments continued. You said the payments shouldn’t continue. The conclusion would be that you mean it’s better that the child remain in foster care?
Depends. Is the family “adopting” for the money, or the child? I’d much rather they were in a loving foster home than an adoptive home in which the only incentive is financial. Don’t tell me it wouldn’t happen.
I’m assuming that if they just wanted the money, they’d have no problem with the kid staying their foster kid rather than adopted kid; unless I’m misunderstanding the scenario.
Nah. I wasn’t talking about foster-adoption.
But we were!!! That’s exactly what Krisee and I were both talking about. Hence why we said ‘their foster kids,’ meaning kids they are currently fostering.
How else do you adopt a teenager?? They don’t come out of the womb at 15.
Well, technically you could adopt a teen who was living with someone else as foster parents. You don’t have to be their foster parent first.
“I personally have never understood why we stop paying foster parents when they decide to adopt one of their charges. ” I thought I made what I was taking about pretty clear.
Diss, sorry, I wasn’t answering you. You entered the conversation after that point.
Diss: I was referring to adopting out of the foster care system. In some states, you have to be approved as a foster care parent before you can adopt. You don’t have to foster the child before you can adopt them, but you still have to go through all the procedures to become a foster care parent. We don’t plan to foster before we adopt. If I was able to have a child of my own, I would be perfectly able to afford that. I do not plan on adopting an older child so I can make some money off of the state. It’s a very nominal amount and would go directly to an educational fund to ensure the child would have a good future.
Hey, Krisee, right now I’d be tempted to sell you a nice 17-year-old. A little surly at times, but very smart. (And tuition isn’t due until July!)
mabsba, I think if you sent him up here he would be begging to come home before the week is up. Poor kid would freeze to death.
Actually, he doesn’t mind the cold that much (didn’t complain at all in Yellowstone); however, he would strenuously object to leaving his school.
I know I wouldn’t have been thrilled to move at that age either. I live in a small college town and their isn’t much excitement to be had around here.
Exactly. Why would they even petition for adoption if they just wanted the money?
They wouldn’t. Unless they loved the child more than the money. My point.
Embrace reality. THese are NOT kids that are cheap. Usually they have serious, expensive problems, which are totally on the parents’ dime once adoption occurs. Some people can NOT afford that. So the current system rewards them for NOT adopting the child. BTW, every state is different, but take a look at the amounts paid where you live for a foster child. Most places it might cover a child’s basic needs.
And yet still people foster for pay, to the detriment of the basic needs of the child. Embrace reality. It happens EVERYWHERE.
But, of course, those are not the people I was talking about. Those people don’t want to adopt and never would.
There are always going to be people who abuse the system, but that doesn’t mean the majority of people who foster or adopt are out for the money. There are lots of people out there who do it simply because they love children and want to ensure they have a good life.
Sadly fewer than you think. Which is why most states are absolutely DESPERATE for foster care. All I’m saying is that financial incentive for adoption is a damn slippery slope, and we’d be foolish not to acknowledge that simple fact.
“Which is why most states are absolutely DESPERATE for foster care.”
That is my point. If people were just doing it for the money, the states wouldn’t be so desperate to find foster care parents.
They’re desperate because more and more kids are entering the system, more and more foster homes are being denied certification due to the fact they neglect children, and fewer and fewer people are adopting in the United States because god forbid someone place a black kid in a white family… meh.
Although to be fair, some of the profiles for the older black kids state that they’d be more comfortable with a black family; I can see taking the preference of an older child or teen into consideration even if I don’t think it should be a criteria in general.
In OK and WI you also have the native american tribes to deal with. Some of those kids look whiter than Casper, but only a native american can adopt them.
Fost-adopt is a lot different from a standard infant adoption. A lot of those children have been abused and neglected and have emotional/behavior/physical problems. That is not an easy thing for most people to take on. You would rather give foster parents the money than help an average family give the child a permanent home? That doesn’t make sense to me at all.
I’d rather not have to give any money to this broken system at all, to be perfectly honest. But yes, I expect someone who’s willing to assume the rights and joys of parenthood to also be ready to assume the financial responsibilities inherent. If you can’t afford ‘em, you shouldn’t have them. Is this draconian? Perhaps.
But it’s not someone ‘choosing’ to have a child; it’s someone willing to take an unwanted child into their home. From a financial perspective, children do better when this happens so they are less likely to be a financial burden on the system later. Also, as Krisee said, these are often ‘problem’ children who cost WAY more than the miserly payments that most states make.
If they’re not “choosing” the child, but choosing to take the “unwanted” child, they must be Brangelina.
Brangelina could easily get a family of 4 or 5 bright, reasonably healthy, attractive kids right here in the US; and they could sure as hell afford to and afford any necessary therapy for them, too.
I know! But don’t they look FABULOUS covered in international-orphan chic!
I have always been of the opinion, that if you can’t afford them, don’t have them. I completely agree with you on that, however, as mabsba said, I’m not choosing to have them. In my own personal situation, we are looking to adopt teenagers. Kids who otherwise wouldn’t have a snowballs chance in hell of being adopted. I won’t have 18 years to save up for a college fund. There is a huge difference between having your own child, or adopting an infant, which is not an option for me, and adopting a child who will be an adult in a few years. It’s a huge financial burden, and one I’m willing to try to handle so a child will have a better life, but I don’t think I should turn my back on a child because I might need a little financial help raising them.
One of the local news stations showcases children up for adoption. They often have siblings who are hoping to be adopted together. They showed a pair of twins one year, and then had them on again the next year because they still hadn’t been adopted. Apparently siblings are one of the hardest groups to get adopted, and twins are even harder.
Really? I didn’t know that about twins. Of course, often twins are preemies and can have lots of medical problems, but still, I thought people liked twins. Weird.
They like twins, especially hot adult twins of the opposite gender…but that is an entirely different cup of tea. I think if I were going to have children (and I already know if I do, I will be adopting, I refuse to pass on my genetics) I would want to adopt twins. Although I am perfectly happy being an only child, I think it would have been awesome to have had a twin.
My mother loved being a ‘litter mate’, and misses her late sister greatly. And twins do tend to be great playmates for each other!
Wow. I was paging through the website of adoptable kids here earlier, and if you just hit “search” without entering any criteria, there’s a family on the first page of 6 kids, two sets of twins. It’s really sad that it’s going to be such a challenge for them to find a home together. They look like supernice kids, too.
I just looked at several of the sibling groups. They look like awesome kids. My house would probably look like the Duggars if I was financially able. LOL
Mine, too.
OMG!!! Max number of kids… 12? Someone actually had a family of 12 kids put into the system, while Krisee can’t have any??? O.o GD. We are fu(ked.
Making a joke out of someone’s inability to have children isn’t exactly lol worthy. You’re an ass.
What the hell? Where did I laugh? That was empathy. Jeez.
I apologize if I didn’t understand the intent of what you wrote. I tend to be touchy about the subject and your comment appeared flippant to me. Again, my apologies for misunderstanding.
Well, you want to put a good high limit on your database so you don’t screw it up if an unusually large family has to be put in. The largest sibling groups in there now are of 6, and those seem to include twins.
Arguably, at some point in these kids’ lives somebody must have done something right, as at least they seem to love each other and hope for the future.
Don’t get me wrong. I’d love it if we all could have as many kids as we each wanted. But that’s not feasible. I stopped at what I can afford to put through college, as most thinking people do these days. I’m not saying the prospective children you adopt shouldn’t be subsidized… quite the contrary. What I am saying is paying you to keep your own children isn’t right. I don’t expect you do to it for me… (I mean, besides the obvious “for-our-kids-tax-funded-crappola” we ALL enjoy).
Well, as those without minor children would point out, we do get a fairly massive deduction for them on our federal income tax.
Everybody with kids gets that (taxation thing I pointed out). You’re being devilish, diss m’dear.
No, that was my point; to some extent the government DOES subsidize parenthood for all of us (whether we give birth or adopt). We notice it less because it’s not a monthly check or anything, but it makes a difference.
I beg to differ, Krisee. What you are doing is the very definiton of “choosing,” much more so than a teenager who accidentally gets knocked up in the backseat of a car. If you are choosing to take on these children, you must take on the financial burden, as well. Otherwise, you probably shouldn’t have them. Sorry.
And so they remain in the system, get thrown out when they’re 18 and frequently fail as adults.
That’s assuming they are in a bad situation now.
Not having parents is a bad situation.
Disagreed. Mine went to prision. That was better.
Good point, actually. Presumably most of the kids in foster care are better off than they would be either with parents who are abusive or criminally negligent or out on the streets fending for themselves.
NDW, you seem to have some experience with “the system”, what do you think about the foster care system as compared to larger group homes or orphanage type group living situations? It seems like that could be done in such a way as to be a better, more stable environment for kids without parents.
Please explain to me how a child staying in foster care or an institutionalized setting is better than having a permanent home?
I think we will just have to agree to disagree on this subject.
Where did I say that? I said if you want to have kids, you need to be able to take care of them financially, just like the rest of us. Where did you get that I’d rather they stay in an institution or foster care? Didn’t you guys just tell me how loving and wonderful foster care is, by and large? Why then would your home be any better?
You can be removed from a foster home at the drop of a hat. It is not permanent. I don’t need the state to give me any money to be able to financially take care of a child, but with that help I could do a lot more for them. The money is not for the parents, it’s for the child. These kids have had really rough lives and deserve to have every opportunity to make something of themselves. Why is it ok to give foster parents a stipend but not someone who is willing to take on the child permanently?
Krisee, they don’t deserve anything more than any other kid. Every American family makes sacrifices, and lots of financial choices. I took a lower paying job to live in a safer environment. We drive old, paid-for cars, life in a cheap, paid-for house, and don’t own a lot of what the rest of America considers necessities. The only thing that matters for you to “give” and “do for” these kids is love them in a safe environment. IF you can afford to do that, I think it would be foolish, bordering on criminal, for the state to deny you the right to adopt.
As far as the pay thing, you’re talking about two entierly different things re: foster versus adoption. Daycare versus daddycare. Extrapolate from there.
As I said before, we will just have to agree to disagree and that’s fine. I don’t come here because I want to hear from people who agree with everything I do.
*hands NDW a cookie*
*noms cookie*
Tis all good… I wish you the best of luck with this!
Here you get payments from the government for every kid*.
*) Who lives with you, or whose guardian you are, or something like that, of course. Not every kid ever.
See, I don’t like the idea of encouraging people to just keep having kids. We really do have enough people already.
I don’t think it’s working as an encouragement to have kids. We’ve had it since 1937 and the only reason Sweden’s population numbers aren’t in the same ballpark as those of the Vatican is that we have immigration. ;p
We have the Child Tax Benefit up here, which you get for every child. It’s a monthly payment based on your taxes. It’s not worth it to keep popping out the kids to get more, but it does help buy the milk.
Yeah. It’s 140 USD/month here (293 USD/month for two kids, etc.), so plopping out kids is not something you could get rich from.
Well, I understand what you are both saying, BUT I am looking at a huge stack of college stuff that all tells me how much more financial aid I could get if I could just produce a couple more kids in the next year.
Why don’t I get any financial rewards for my family being less of a burden on the social system, the school system, the ecosystem — everything? It’s pretty annoying to see someone have five kids by five different fathers, no family structure at all, getting rewarded for that.
Sorry, friggin’ $40K per year colleges! /rant rant rant
Education should be completely tax funded. ;p
To be fair, their kids aren’t getting admitted to the 40K per year college, in general. Their kids are busy having their own kids or getting arrested.
But I feel your pain. I’m not entirely convinced the expensive colleges are any better than the cheap ones, by the way. You do tend to get out of school what you put into it. (Exception: hopefully expensive schools have more and better equipment for tech and science classes).
This isn’t always true
*Congratulates friend (child 4 of 10) who is just finishing her Ph.D. and starting new prestigious job at a research university in the Fall*
That is very awesome. To be fair, she said “five kids by five different fathers, no family structure at all” and I’m guessing your friend had at least ONE good parent or grandparent providing some structure. Not that there isn’t the occasional kid who somehow manages to parent themselves and achieve, but boy is it tough. And therefore rare. I don’t think either of us were implying that kids from larger families in general didn’t do well.
This is true. She does come from a pretty stable family situation – if a large one.
I always envied my friends who had big families. That’s a big part of why I had 4. Would’ve probably had a few more but they just got too darn expensive. (Yeah, I know, bad for the environment and all that, but still…)
Yes, Wino, what Diss said. I am five of five.
BTW, Diss, most kids who have many siblings wish they had fewer and vice versa. The grass is always greener.
I like the grass I have actually. I had a cousin live with me for a year, and we spent the entire time fighting. I was glad when she was gone. It definitely didn’t create any lasting bond either as it’s been over a year since I’ve spoken to her and almost a decade since I last saw her.
Well, there is no ‘cheap’ any more. I am so tired of people saying ‘how easy’ kids have it now. When I went to college, I actually could pay tuition and everything except rent by working summers and part-time. (My parents paid my $100 monthly rent; yes, I’m old
). No way a kid can even make expenses during the summer now.
I freely admit that part of our problem is of our own making — we chose a private middle school/hs, so that’s where the boy’s college fund went. We’re hoping he can get some merit scholarships out of that, though.
Sorry, my friend was just emailing me that the financial aid people informed her that she should be contributing $40K to her kids’ education. Not entirely sure what she’s supposed to live on.
Oh, believe me, I know.
Now, I will say, had ANY of my kids chosen to go to an instate college, they would have had it fairly easy financially. We have very good lottery scholarships.
Two of my girls have excellent FA packages from a nice small private college in Texas; feel free to PM me if you want a recommendation. Almost everything covered with scholarships and grants. I had to do smallish PLUS loans for one of them, the other was able to cover everything with just regular student loans. I have no problem with them having to take out student loans, as I’m still trying to pay mine back.
One of the great perks of the private school is a great college guidance office. They’re really good at helping the kids find money.
I am NOT impressed with our instate schools. The biggest, UNM, has a 50% six-year graduation rate. My son’s HS is better in many respects. Next year he’s reading Nietzsche in German. The only annoying thing is that he won’t let me go to class with him.
Yeah, nobody wanted to go to our instate schools either. Well, nobody wanted to go to the one in town that I went to, and I’ll be damned if I’m letting any of my kids go here. Stupid smug bright orange-wearing bastards.
(And, no, none of them wanted to anyway.)
Of course once you adopt them, you have them as a dependent for taxes, plus the whole child tax credit, that should offset some of the reduction in direct payments from the state.
I like the idea of gradually reducing it, though, although I understand NDW’s point of view — I can see where it could be a significant roadblock for someone of limited income. What if they got 80% of the foster care check the first year after adoption, then 60% the next year, then 40%, then 20%, and out? That way it’s not such a sudden “how the hell are we supposed to feed the kid?” thing.
I would think that, especially with older kids, the financial burden stopping people from adopting would be the psychological/medical aid a lot of these kids require, not the day to day clothing/food/housing costs.
That’s exactly what stopped the couple I am thinking of.
Just last Friday I listened to radi oand they were having an in-depth discussion about exactly the same issue but for Sweden. I suppose many of their theories might be valid for the US too. I can’t remember all the interesting things they said, but the one that stuck in my mind is that it’s one of the downsides of patriotism or pride on one’s nation. It’s hard for a country who sees themselves as “a great place” (not to say “the greatest place” in the American case
) to admit that we fail children born in the nation. It is far easier to keep up the idea of being a good nation by being benevolent and saving children from hell-holes (which, deep down, everyone suspects that everywhere else is, or something).
Most people tend to want babies and it’s easier to get foreign ones than it is to get an American child. I agree that it’s a shame more people don’t fost-adopt. My husband and I have discussed adopting older children once we have been married for a few more years. It breaks my heart that there are so many kids that just want someone to love them. I would have a house full if I could.
I’d prefer a kid that’s old enough to be housebroken, personally. I actually wouldn’t mind taking on an older kid or two now that my youngest is 16, but I sure as hell wouldn’t want to do those first few years again. They can’t even talk!
That’s why we want older kids. I don’t think my hubby could take little crumb crunchers running around the house. It’s so hard for the teenage kids to find placement. I would much rather do that, than have a child age out of foster care with no family. I can’t imagine how hard that would be for them.
I don’t think I mentioned this in any of my earlier posts, but I know another big difficult-to-place issue is groups of siblings who want to stay together, especially if it’s more than two or three.
I think it’s wonderful when someone is able to adopt a large sibling group. I would love to be in a position to do something like that. What I don’t understand though, is why in the hell are you having that many children, if you can’t or won’t take care of them? I don’t care if you have 20 kids, as long as you are able to meet their needs, but if you don’t give a flying rat’s a$$ about your kids, then don’t have them. /rant
Presumably if they’re up for adoption, their parents are no longer in the picture. I suppose some of them abused and neglected their kids until they were taken away, but others may be dead or serving long prison terms for something unrelated to their parenting…..I guess it’s something that’s going to vary from family to family.
Meth. Decimates seemingly-perfectly normal families in a matter of an eye-blink.
I suspect that’s a big contributor, yes. Which actually means that at some point they may have been decent parents; they made a (damn) bad decision and ended up in the downward spiral of addiction. I mean, I don’t think anyone’s sitting around discussing whether to have kids and says “Well, maybe not, I’m planning on developing a meth addiction in about 10 years…”
I haven’t had children because we’ve been planning on getting filthy rich and developing addictions to prescription drugs; it hasn’t really worked out so far. Does that mean I should be having kids now as my “Plan B”?
I suspect having children will interfere considerably with the “getting filthy rich” portion of your plan. Just a warning.
Boy-howdy.
No, no!!! Here drink some of this while you swallow these pills. Hands HOW a large bottle and pills.
The rich part comes once you get into the selling yourself
\Sarcasm
Or, you could have kids \Sarcasm
I’ve sold my soul and my dreams for a paycheck. Does that count?
I can only speak from my personal experience with making the decision to adopt and dealing with child services. I know there are kids out there whose parents have passed away and they have no other family, but I think that is rare. If you are in prison and serving a long term, unless unjustly convicted, then you were probably doing something you shouldn’t have, and if you have kids, you should know better. Either way, it’s a damned shame for any child not to have a family who loves them and takes care of them.
“Either way, it’s a damned shame for any child not to have a family who loves them and takes care of them.”
Which is why I think continuing payment after adoption is a terrible idea. Adoption SHOULD be an altrustic gesture at all times. I don’t like ascribing financial incentives when it comes to permanantly placing a child into a home. Rubs me the wrong damn way.
I don’t think it’s so much of a financial incentive, but a matter of removing a disincentive. If the foster family is already caring for the child, loves them, and wants to be their forever home but can’t see how they can continue to care for the child properly without the money from the state, that’s not a matter of them being greedy, I don’t think.
I’m with you there. But abuse of this system is so rampant, I don’t see paying someone to adopt a child as any different than child trafficking. Sad, but true.
lol. Sorry. I meant “getting paid” to adopt….
This may be true NDW, but I have never seen a statistic confirming or dis-confirming that abuse of the system 1) exists or 2) is rampant.
I agree that paying people to have or to take care of children may be a problem that might lead to abuse, but do you really want the state to be running child care services – isn’t paying families to adopt children similar to ‘privatizing’ the system?
I thing what someone suggested above would work well. Rather than pay to adopt, allow the adopted child to retain the health and psychological support that they received from the state pre-adoption.
–of course national health care would fix that problem!
Also, child services takes a kid away, some people just have another. I personally think part of the penalty for having a child removed for neglect/abuse should be fixing the parents. Then at least they can’t make another kid to screw up.
*hugs* I agree completely. If only more people thought like that, I think the world would be a much better place.
A friend of mine adopted the 8th child taken away from a coke-addicted couple. Some folks should have padlocks put on their gonads.
my parents go to church with a family who just adopted their 10th child. they had 3 biologically and then decided that rather than having more children of their own… they would adopt domestically and take in siblings and kids who have “issues”. #7 and #8 are black… the family is white. there was ALL SORTS of paperwork for that. not to mention that those boys were #s 12 and 13 from their biological mother and she claimed that she could still care for them.
they’ve never adopted an infant or from outside the US and they usually adopt 2 or 3 at a time.
this family is also an EXTREMELY rare case and there needs to be more families like them.
That sounds vaguely like you’re advocating mandatory sterilization for undesirables. IDK. Maybe I’m just reading something into your statement that’s not there. (Not that I don’t agree with the sentiment, but…)
Having watched, literally, hundreds of children go through my mom’s foster home, I came to the conclusion at an early age that all people should be temporarily sterilized until they could prove they would be good parents (psychological testing, good work ethic, etc.). I know, I know, very facist of me, but still…..
No, for people convicted of child abuse/neglect. Because the state takes away the abused kid, and they just have another one and abuse it. Not ‘undesirables’ (although they certainly are scum of the earth as far as I’m concerned), but people who have PROVEN that they WILL abuse children. But that’s only because we’re not allowed to shoot them.
Sooo there with you. We’ve been discussing adopting a 21 year old. The man wants a drinking buddy and I want a housekeeper.
Technically, that might count as human trafficking…
Is it trafficking if they’re willing?
I’m up for adoption, HOW.
Oooh, that’s a thought! You’re housebroken and polite and seeexxxyyy. But won’t your own child have a problem with this adoption?
HOW, you get a FREE GRANDSON with this adoption! Bonus!
Nah, he loves to sweep and mop. He’d be a perfect asset to your household.
Fantastic! Are you sure though? You’ll be losing that socialized medicine.
Hmmmm…..good point. Would you consider moving here?
They’re so desperate for foster families up here, they contacted my 73 year old mother to see if she would foster again (she did it for about 40 years). I offered to foster, but I work two jobs and am a single mom so I don’t qualify. But I’d be happy to take in an older child.
A friend of mine went through the whole process (long and somewhat arduous and intrusive process) of getting approved as a foster parent so that she could take in a kid that she’d known for years whose mother had died. (The kid decided she’d really rather live with her grandmother after about 6 months). While I recognize that we don’t want people getting foster kids to feed them on Ramen and cash the check, I also think the process is a little intimidating. For me, for example. I don’t really want the state checking for dust on top of my fridge, ya know? (Or worse yet…under it. Eep.)
What about what’s under the bed? Double eep!
The neurotic cat? Yeah, you probably get points off for harboring crazy animals.
I was thinking dust bunnies and my little case of “toys”, but the evil cat is probably a detriment (sp?) as well.
I know! Never mind the fact that I’ve already managed to get my own 4 at least pretty much raised, without too much in the way of therapy expenses; they’re all either in school or graduated and none of them have been arrested. That should count for something, right?
Definitely. If the therapy bills are under $50,000.00, I think you should be rated a perfect parent.
Wait… you took your kids to The rapists??? O.o
Thank you, Sean Connery.
Anything for you, lassie
I realize that my buddies with AdBlock can’t see it, but is there a reason that the shirt ad on the front page has what looks to be a 15-year-old girl with a lip ring and obvious nippage?
Well, there ARE fingers on the shirt…. groping?
I turned off AdBlock and saw nothing. Maybe the child was finally adopted.
Get a better lawyer. There are plenty of lawyers in Australia that operate on a “no win, no fee” basis. I’m sure there are limits to that, but they don’t advertise the limits.
There are lots of American lawyers who work on the same basis; however, as far as I know, that’s only for lawsuits, where they work for a percentage of the settlement. I have never heard of lawyers doing that for criminal cases.
I’m fairly certain that most states legal ethics regulations won’t permit a contingency fee in a criminal case. However, I will say that if you lose, and your client is in prison for 10 years, good luck collecting whatever you didn’t get up front (unless it’s a rich guy like Simpson).
In Canada, if you lose the case you don’t pay your lawyer, just FYI.