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GLOBAL WARMING
The opera

(Al Gore)

I loved the stock broker opera.

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  1. Brandon_hs says:

    Still prefer the Rabbit of Sevvile.

  2. Smurf says:

    Since Al has been mega-emissioning, he seems to have really gone to seed. The culprit must be carbon. Or Big Macs.

  3. Captain Wow says:

    Hey guys, completely off subject but:
    Obama called my basketball team, University of KY Wildcats (hell yes), and told them thank you for raising 1.5 million for Haiti relief. He even told John Wall, our star player, that he’d like to have a scrimmage sometime ;-) .
    Basically full of win.

    • paws4thot says:

      Huh!? I thought basketball was a non-contact sport, so just how do you have a scrum? ;)

      • Nebton says:

        I don’t think I’ve ever played a game of basketball that was non-contact…

        • paws4thot says:

          That was a joke; I do those. Even if it wasn’t at which point in a game of basketball do you get 4 subs each side off the bench, form them into groups of 8, and get those groups to try and push the other team off the ball?

    • justacanuck the booty wench says:

      Nobody else has said it, Wow, but that is cool. Very full of win. Even if you don’t like the president (or in my case the Prime Minister), getting a call from him personally (or, as in your case, your team) would be very cool. :D

      • Captain Wow WILL go Avada Kedavra on your ass says:

        What I think is amazing too is that it was the players who thought of “Hoops for Haiti” and they came to Coach Cal asking what they could do. They were the ones answering the phones when people called in. :-D

        • viking gal says:

          VERY cool.

          • HelOnWheels the Gene Pool Lifeguard says:

            It is super cool!! And how amazing that these kids raised THAT much money!!

            • Captain Wow WILL go Avada Kedavra on your ass says:

              It’s the Big Blue Nation, period. We are an amazing and vast body of epically awesome people. But I AM a bit biased.

        • mabsba says:

          It’s nice because sometimes it seems as if all you hear about young people is bad stuff. The media seldom covers the good stuff they do. E.g., someone vandalizing a school was front page; one of our Troop’s Eagle projects to repaint the exterior landscaping trim, zilch.

          That’s great for your basketball players.

        • dissimilitude says:

          Aw, good for your players! (As an aside….sorry you got stuck with Cal. Guy’s a douche.)

    • That’s awesome. Majorly. No matter what side you’re on, if you get a call from the President thanking you for your relief efforts, that’s pretty f’ing cool.

  4. Captain Wow says:

    Is it just me or does he look like he’s belching up that ball of light?

  5. keithybabes says:

    Yay – a funny one!!
    And appropriate, since Gore has been making such a song and dance about climate change.

    • Kn0wledge1ne says:

      I agree. Yesterday was a crap fest.

      However, since this LOL is a hot-button subject, I predict level 7 flaming here. Meaning at least 700 comments.

      Well without futher ado, lets pour the gasoline, light the match, and ignite the flame war over the social & political effects of climate change and how Al Gore invented the interwebs to spread the propaganda…

      • shortright the ivanist who thinks clothes are overrated says:

        al gore iz a lier. i cant belive u loosers lissen 2 him. their is 4feet of sno at my haus so obv it aint gitting hotter. u idiot!

        (omg, that hurt… but if it doesn’t start an appropriate flame war i don’t know what will)

        • I Like Peanut Butter says:

          I don’t agree with you shorty…… I mean you didn’t include location of said house. You could be in the Polar Regions where it could still be hotter, yet snow is capable, or you could be in Alaska, New England, or Canada where you NEED tons of warming to prevent snow (I mean 30 degrees F is T-Shirt weather in Maine.) So just b/c you have snow doesn’t mean global warming doesn’t exist……. Besides it’s Belgian Change, not Ukraniane Stewardess’ Warming…….

          • justacanuck the booty wench says:

            I disagree, ILPB, it’s very obvious that if you turn shorty upside down, she’s clearly a facist socialist from….oh, dear, she’s not wearing underwear…… :oops:

  6. Trojan Man says:

    He is super serial…

  7. Sqwirk says:

    Global warming is a fraud. Those so-called scientists just say what they are paid to say.

    • Wino says:

      And cancer is just a lie to enslave us and keep us afraid. Lance Armstrong is in cahoots with the scientists!

      • Sqwirk says:

        Science is a lie you mean.

        Have any of you actually SEEN an atom?

        • It's so obvious! says:

          No, but based on evidence I know it’s there.
          Have you actually “seen” your brain? Oh wait, bad example.

          • Sqwirk says:

            I have scene you’re brian

            • It's so obvious! says:

              Doubtful. My Brian is a scientist, not a thepsian.

              • Nebton says:

                Not your Brian, you’re Brian. Sqwirk has a scene, and you’re Brian. *mutters something about reading comprehension* :D

                • It's so obvious! says:

                  HEH. I did the best I could; I had troubl making out the apostrophe and the “e” over the sound of the WHARRGARBL ;)

                • mabsba says:

                  Has Brian lost one of his sandals?

                • HelOnWheels the Gene Pool Lifeguard says:

                  If ISO is Brian I’m going to be Jesus.
                  *gets up on a cross*

                  • mabsba says:

                    Who’s channeling Thor? We need a hammer here!

                    • Nebton says:

                      After all the spanking, I imagine that shortright is feeling pretty thor…

                    • justacanuck the booty wench says:

                      I believe that would be Brak. He doesn’t like it when you play with his hammer without asking, so be careful.

                      • mabsba says:

                        Well, that’s why I was calling for him! :D

                        • justacanuck the booty wench says:

                          Excellent. Carry on then.

                        • Brak the *BANG* THUNDER GOD INCARNATE...or something like it says:

                          Somebody need a hammer? Verily doth I have that thing indeed! And you don’t necessarily have to ask, just make sure your hands are warm.
                          Yea, The Mighty Thor has decided to stalk nucky and follow her around so that he may never miss a shot of the Magnificent Canadian Rockies on those drive-bys.
                          I have answered mabs’s call. Who dost thou wishest me to smack? Or is this just for fun? Asgardians love fun.

                        • HelOnWheels the Gene Pool Lifeguard says:

                          Assguardians?

                        • Brak the *BANG* THUNDER GOD INCARNATE...or something like it says:

                          I say thee, NAY!
                          That’s those guys from Olympus.
                          Know what I sayeth?

                        • justacanuck the booty wench says:

                          *does a drive by boobie flash just for Brak, giggles and runs away* Always happy to oblige, Oh Mighty Thor. Say, how was that name earned? :twisted?

                        • Brak the *BANG* THUNDER GOD INCARNATE...or something like it says:

                          In the days of old in Asgard, there was born to the Allfather Odin, Ruler of Asgard and Midgard, a Mighty son, he who was to become God of Thunder and Bringer of Lightning. As he was handed the naked, crying babe, his only son, he tenderly grasped the infant in his all powerful hands, looked down at his progeny and spake these immortal words…”Wow! Look at thith! Any goddeth that gets thmacked with thith hammer ith gonna end up Mighty Thor!!” Thus it was spoken and thus it became true.

                          And, um…now you know something about Odin. Keep it under your helmets, ok? He’s sensitive about it. And violent. Big axe. Runs in the family.

                          Oh, and nucky………truly Asgardian. Join me for some mead?

                        • justacanuck the booty wench says:

                          I’d love some mead, Brak. Can I touch your hammer, too? I promise to be gentle. :twisted:

                        • Brak the *BANG* THUNDER GOD INCARNATE...or something like it says:

                          My hammer is at your tender service. Touch it as you will, oh voluptuous mortal. May I climb the Rockies as well?
                          Your mead, dear. Go easy…powerful stuff.

                        • justacanuck the booty wench says:

                          Climb at your peril, Thor, many have tried to scale these peaks…..

                        • Brak the *BANG* THUNDER GOD INCARNATE...or something like it says:

                          I would be a most ungodlike Thunder God did I fail to accept this challenge. Indeed shall I attempt these magnificent heights! *crackles a little lightning around his head for effect* FOR THE GLORY OF ASGAAAAARRRDDDDD (and my own great pleasure)

                          *MMMPPPFFFFF*
                          :-D ——–III (a happy hammer)

                        • justacanuck the booty wench says:

                          *is scaled by Thor* Oh, Thor, that is a might hammer *giggles coquettishly*

                        • Brak the *BANG* THUNDER GOD INCARNATE...or something like it says:

                          And may I say, madame, that many a heroic song will be sung in the mead halls of Asgard of the feats of this day!!
                          Come with me…to Asgard we will go! Thou hast proven thyself worthy to walk it’s golden streets and mighty towers!! Thou shalt be the Official Booty Wench of Asgard! And Odin has GOT to see this!
                          *goes back in for another peek…er…peak!*

                        • justacanuck the Official Booty Wench of Asgard says:

                          I’m all yours, Thor love. Just as long as I get to play with your hammer anytime I want…… ;)

                        • Brak the *BANG* THUNDER GOD INCARNATE...or something like it says:

                          O Mighty Nucky, thou needest not even ask. My hammer is ever at thy beck and call. More mead dear, or shall we just continue the climb? :twisted:

                        • justacanuck the Official Booty Wench of Asgard says:

                          Well, I am a little thirsty from playing with your hammer. How about a little mead and a little climb?

                        • Brak the *BANG* THUNDER GOD INCARNATE...or something like it says:

                          As they say in Asgard…
                          Thou art ON!
                          *cracks open another quaff*
                          For you, Mighty Nucky.
                          Ahhhh…thunder in the Rockies*

                  • If you’re going to be Jesus, can you turn this water into beer for me? I don’t like wine.

                    • HelOnWheels the Gene Pool Lifeguard says:

                      I only play Jesus on PK. But, Bitter Wino, being a deity and all, could probably do something about that water of yours.

                    • Smurf says:

                      Jesus preferred to walk on water, rather than magic Wino tricks promoting the Jewish wine industry – for which he was well paid in *hics*.

          • n10bettes says:

            I’ve seen my brain on drugs.

        • PortlandMark says:

          Is… is that an actual *joke*?!

        • Wino says:

          Have you ever seen the webs that hold the inter-webs together?????

          ZOMG the intranet is fakke

        • Captain Wow WILL go Avada Kedavra on your ass says:

          Have you ever SEEN the air? No, but you know it’s there because you haven’t suffocated…
          *facepalm*

      • It's so obvious! says:

        No, no, NO, silly. That’s AIDS. It was created in a laboratory to eradicate promiscuity, homosexuality, and IV drug use :roll:

    • Captain Wow says:

      Well I wasn’t paid to say this but I’m going to anyways. You’re a douchebag.

    • paws4thot says:

      That’s spookily close to the truth; there is no better way of ruining a career in science than disagreeing with the “holy cow” theories of your field.

      • Nebton says:

        Unless you can actually prove the holy cows wrong. In which case, there’s no better way to secure a sinecure.

        • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

          Even in a rigorous field, it rarely works that way — you usually have to wait around for the older generation to die off. It remains to be seen if that model will hold true in activist science.

          • viking gal says:

            “activist science”. Tee hee! The level of grant awards per applications sent is now down around 20%. (grant application reviews are done by senior scientists at the NSF, NIH and the like). If you can’t fund it, you can’t do any research. And for most university-level faculty, as much as 80% of your own salary has to come from grant money (salary level determined by the university, though). Which means without a grant, you lose your income, and shortly you will lose your job. Which means that real science is VERY conservative these days.

            • mabsba says:

              And the scientists who get the grants act all superior! ;)

            • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

              So doesn’t that imply that controversial/long-shot/etc. research is even less likely to be approved?

            • Nebton says:

              Most scientists I know are using their previous grant’s funds to do the research for their next grant’s work. This is because the grants are very competitive, so you have to be able to already show results for the work you’re “going to do”. Therefore, if you’ve made a breakthrough discovery you will get grant money. I’m not aware of a single case where people with astounding results have been turned down.

          • Nebton says:

            What do you mean by “activist science”? Are you referring to science such as evolution or climatology where there’s an “activist” fringe (and by “activist”, I mean corporate or church sponsored, depending on the situation) using faith-based science in order to “prove” their conclusions?

            • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

              I mean wayward disciplines which emphasize the (usually politically connected) message more than professional rigor and the scientific method. So, yes, climatology, anti-vaccine research, the South Korean cloner, that kind of thing.

              I could be wrong, but I don’t believe that CRU, the Met Office, and Goddard, for example, are substantially funded by religious groups or corporations.

            • n10bettes says:

              Or government sponsored in order to “prove” their own conclusions? Possibly pushed by special interest lobbies?

              • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                Both side of the fences we’re talking. I think everyone needs to realize that there is a difference between today’s sciecne and the science of yore. Science, like most things, has now become commercialized.

                • PortlandMark says:

                  Gonna disagree with you on one point: science has always been done for the purpose of getting grant money, or the money of an important noble or plutocrat. Other than a few self financed individuals, of course. Other than that, carry on.

                  • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                    Sir Issac Newton (great cookie maker)….. not in it for the money. Gallileau (butchered sp) was almost killed for his scienctific research. Greeks really did it as well for the benefit of society (Ancient Greeks)

                    • mabsba says:

                      Um, those fall into the category of “a few self financed individuals.”

                    • Nebton says:

                      Galileo was funded by Cosimo II de’ Medici. This was the reason he pretended to see those moons around Jupiter, so that he could name them after his benefactor (he called them “Medicean stars”). Luckily, we now know Jupiter has no moons.

                      • mabsba says:

                        Mrph. You are right. (How annoying. ;) ) Now I will have to try to remember which Greek I was thinking of….

                      • Maxwell Silverhammer Original Flavour says:

                        Yeah I was gonna say. Naming any famous scientist from the Renaissance wouldn’t work. Most of them and the prominent artists were funded by the Medici family. Galileo was almost killed for his beliefs over the simple fact that his patrons had fallen from grace in the church’s eyes.
                        If I remember correctly…

                    • Nebton says:

                      Oh, and beware of Greeks bearing gifts. In all seriousness, I wouldn’t put too much stock in their lofty ideals. As with modern day scientists, there definitely was a desire to pursue truth, but they were not above the allure of money. They took students whose parents were wealthy and could fund their “research”.

                      • FaileV says:

                        Besides, while the name of the game might be grants, that doesn’t mean the scientists aren’t doing what they love and researching to help the world.
                        It’s a matter of balance.

              • Nebton says:

                Other than in novelizations, however, I’m not aware of any government funding that puts limits on what you can publish. This is not uncommon when the funding comes from commercial sources. I.e., if you’re being funded to study XYZ, and you come to the conclusion that ABC, there are no constraints on you publishing that. Furthermore, if you have solid evidence, you will earn the esteem of your colleagues, which will help you secure future grants.

                • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                  Nebs: Good in theory, but if you’re getting funded to “study” XYZ from a commercial business or the government and you come up with the opposite of XYZ, and publish it. You’re biting the hand that feeds you. Therefore in the future when you go for more studies, you could get black-balled. It’s great you have the esteem of your colleagues, but your colleagues aren’t funding the grants/ studies.

                  • Nebton says:

                    That’s true for a commercial business, but that’s not true of any government agency I’ve ever interacted with, explicitly or implicitly. Government agencies (with a few possible exceptions that don’t fund much research) aren’t funding you to “prove” XYZ (despite allegations to the contrary), they’re funding you to study XYZ. They want you to publish ABC if that’s the conclusion that the data draws you to. In fact, they’ll punish you if you publish XYZ when the data demonstrates ABC. (There are cases of this, usually indicating fraud.)

                    • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                      Only if said Fraud was caught. Nebs, I’m saying that BOTH sides do this, not just liberals or conservatives. I’m also not saying ALL science either, but it’s really hard to put 100% faith in a Study about Global Change funded by the EPA. It’s in the best interest of the EPA to ensure that Global Warming is 100% REAL and man made, b/c in the end it’ll give them more power. Similar things happen in the DoD, DoT, etc…. with limited Tax dollars, agencies now have to make themselves viable for money.

                      • Nebton says:

                        Most studies that I’m aware of regarding climatology, however, are not funded by the EPA. They’re funded by organizations such as the American Meteorological Society, the National Science Foundation, etc.

                        • Nebton says:

                          PS: To see what the funding sources of a journal article are, just go to the Acknowledgments section. Here’s one from a random article I found at scirus.com:

                          The authors would like to thank Rick Taft, Paul Reasor, Scott Fulton, William Gray, John Knaff, Mark DeMaria, Frank Marks, Peter Dodge, Mel Nicholls, and Hung-Chi Kuo for many helpful comments and discussions. This work was supported by NSF Grant ATM-9729970 and by NOAA Grant NA67RJ0152 (Amendment 19)

                        • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                          NOAA = Department of Commerce, once again it would benefit the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration if there were concerns with the Earth’s climate, especially effecting the Ocean and Atmosphere…. plus they need money to fund their ships.

                          The other two I haven’t researched yet. But I find it scary that you don’t think funding can have impact on outcome of the research.

                        • Nebton says:

                          Actually, the biggest benefit to NOAA is to understand how the climate really works, wouldn’t you say?

                          As for funding having an impact on the outcome of research, I acknowledged below that it does. However, (US) government agencies don’t bar you from publishing results they don’t like, whereas companies and other private organizations often do.

                  • Nebton says:

                    I should clarify two things, however:
                    (1) Commercial business includes lobby groups not directly tied to any business. There was an impressive study some time back showing that the “health benefits” of fruit juice or milk found in studies funded by the juice or milk special interest groups were clear, when they weren’t (or were shown to be unhealthy) in studies funded by other sources.
                    (2) Scientists, like all humans, are capable of deceiving themselves. Although your funding may not be tied to you proving XYZ, if you believe XYZ, you’re much more likely to find results supporting your theory.

                    • UnhappyVegemite says:

                      There is good reason for governments and companies to support and fund science because quite simply knowledge is power and there is nothing really wrong with that.

                      The problem really arises when governments and corporations try to own that knowledge and use it to further their own agendas whether it be making money or creating fear from climate change, evolution, computer science, mathematics, astronomy or whatever the idea might be. When corporations and/or governments think they own an idea they’ll do everything to protect that idea including attempting to discredit opposing ideas even if those ideas have scientific merit.

                      How’s that saying go “He who is powerless fears gaining power, he who is powerful fears losing it”

                      The fact that governments and companies today think they can throw money at scientists to influence studies is a very dangerous exercise but us private citizens can have a role to play as well, we should be checking the results of studies, we should be peer-reviewing and conducting our own tests to see if the empirical results can be replicated even if it is only on a tiny sample. A 5 year old today has been exposed to more information than our grandparents did in their entire lives yet we seem to be more ignorant of the world around us, how is that possible?

                      • A 5 year old today has been exposed to more information than our grandparents did in their entire lives yet we seem to be more ignorant of the world around us, how is that possible?

                        I don’t know if they are more ignorant of the world around us as much as they haven’t had the the childhood experiences that your grandparents had. Most kids today probably don’t get more than 1 kilometer from home, unless they’re in the car with mom and dad. But they have a wealth of exposure to the world at their fingertips via the internet. Unfortunately, it’s not quite the same as seeing it up close and personal.

                      • viking gal says:

                        I would disagree on that–our grandparents grew up seeing folks make things from scratch, or repairing things. I know because my parents grew up that way. Which means I can take apart a window frame to rehang a window weight, and I can also sew a false hem on a pair of slacks. Can you?

                        • FaileV says:

                          I don’t really know what a false hem is. I do know that I had a pet project for making a full mascot costume from scratch and the internet was helpful, but nothing compared to sitting down and just figuring it out myself.

                        • viking gal says:

                          False hems are when you undo a hem, sew a ribbon to the end of the material, and then roll the fabric barely back up and sew the ribbon to the fabric. You can get an additional half to one inch of length in your slacks–important for vikings!

                      • mabsba says:

                        we should be peer-reviewing and conducting our own tests to see if the empirical results can be replicated even if it is only on a tiny sample

                        Really? Exactly how many people are able to do this on, for example,
                        the health risks of nanotechnology?

            • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

              You likely didn’t intend it that way, but that’s actually an excellent example.

              I don’t know any reasonable geneticist who thinks we’re anywhere close to understanding the underpinnings of something as complex and multi-linked as human sexuality, and wouldn’t be comfortable drawing even simple links based on what we know today. Ergo, researchers who trumpet such “findings” are generally exaggerating at best, and are most likely after attention, funding, or both.

              • mabsba says:

                No, it’s not as what she was dismissing was ornithologists’ observations of same sex bird pairings. They were not ‘trumpeting’ anything, merely presenting that observation along with all their other nursery observations.

                • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                  Like I said, you probably didn’t intend it that way. Your comment motivated my answer, which was limited to human sexuality — do try to keep up…

                  • mabsba says:

                    And of course we NEVER look at animals’ behavior for insights into our behavior. Nor do research on animals in lieu of humans.

                    I was responding to your statement about ‘trumpeting’ results.

                    • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                      Honestly, I don’t know why you’re having such trouble with this concept — you’re talking about something completely different.

                      You’re bent on either getting in the last word or proving yourself “right”; whatever the motivation, your off-topic prattling is starting to get embarrassing.

                      • mabsba says:

                        I’m sorry that you’re embarrassed by being wrong.

                      • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                        LOL! You know, it’s a shame you don’t realize just how hysterical you can be.

                        Let me guess — local government job?

                      • mabsba says:

                        You have a local government job? How nice for you. I believe someone just mentioned how insulting people on a lol thread was the resort of those who know their argument is wrong.

                      • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                        Well, you’ve already decided you’re right and I’m wrong, regardless of what the record clearly says — who am I to argue?

                        You know, at this point, your relatively minor error doesn’t even matter — it’s your protracted juvenile behavior that speaks volumes. It’s a little scary to think that you jump to this kind of irrational behavior when you decide you don’t like someone, but it certainly explains a few things.

                      • mabsba says:

                        You are the one who pointed out that people who resort to arguments do so because their arguments are wrong.

                      • mabsba says:

                        Sorry, mistype: You are the one who pointed out that people who resort to insults do so because their arguments are wrong.

                      • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                        I repeatedly pointed out your error, to no effect. Yet you keep talking. Obviously you have something else to discuss…

              • Nebton says:

                I’m not aware of any geneticist who thinks we’re close to understanding the genetics behind human sexuality, either, but there has been some very impressive work on the sexuality of fruit flies. (I’m not being sarcastic. In male fruit flies, a single gene can determine whether the fly tries to mate exclusively with females, exclusively with males, or is indiscriminate.)

                I’m also not aware of any published studies suggesting we’re close to understanding the genetics behind human sexuality, so how is that activist science?

                • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                  I would lean towards homosexuality NOT being a choice. There are those who are exceptions to the rule (Ann Hasche sp?)…..

                  • Nebton says:

                    Well, my theory, and it’s not my research field, so take it with a grain of salt, is that instinctively, we’re not unlike those fruit flies, in that some of us men are strongly drawn towards women, some of us are strongly drawn towards men, and some are indiscriminate. Interacting with those instincts are libido (environmentally and genetically influenced) and “free will” (don’t get me started on my opinions of that, but I use the term as a stand-in for our complicated minds). Men who are strongly drawn towards other men can choose not to act on those instincts, and can even fool themselves into thinking they don’t have those instincts, but the basic instinct is still there. I also think that most men who argue that sexuality is a choice fall into the camp of being indiscriminate (in their desires, not necessarily in their actions).

                    Women, as always, are a mystery.

                  • mabsba says:

                    Oh, indubitably. :twisted:

                  • It's so obvious! says:

                    They DO have the same rights. We all heve the right to get married. Nobody’s infringing that right. They just can’t marry each other. That’s the rub. ;)

                  • Nebton says:

                    No, I can marry a woman, but women can’t. That’s different rights. That’s like saying that blacks had the same rights as whites when they were allowed to drink from their own fountains or attend their own schools.

                  • It's so obvious! says:

                    Right. You can marry. So can she. That’s equal rights.

                  • mabsba says:

                    Hey! We LET the black people marry other black people. Obviously the same rights. /sarcasm

                  • Nebton says:

                    @It’s so obvious: If I give you a dollar and give mabsba a million dollars, would you say the amount I gave you was equal because I gave you both money?

                  • It's so obvious! says:

                    Your analogy is ≠ this discussion.

                  • mabsba says:

                    I do! I do! *jumps up and down, waiting for her money*

                  • HelOnWheels the Gene Pool Lifeguard says:

                    mabs is a woman; she should only get $0.72 for each of ISO’s dollars. :twisted:

                  • mabsba says:

                    *whacks HOW with rolled up newspaper* Shush! Quit reducing my money with logic!

                  • Nebton says:

                    Actually, it’s a perfect analogy. You’re saying marriage is marriage, but I’m pointing out that, assuming you’re a guy, you wouldn’t feel that way if you were only allowed to marry guys. (If you’re a woman, I’ll trust that you can make the appropriate substitution.)

                    So, to make the analogy perfectly clear. To me:
                    being able to marry a woman:being able to marry a man::$1 million:$1
                    Now, do you understand the analogy?

                  • Nebton says:

                    Who is being rude? I’m just trying to explain how analogies work. I’m not saying that money equals marriage. I’m saying that just like all marriages aren’t equal, all amounts of money aren’t equal.

                    Let me put it simply: would you like it if you were only allowed to marry men?

                  • It's so obvious! says:

                    lol. Fine. Be rude. Let me put it simply to you, too, then. Everyone has the right to marry. That means everyone has that right. Who someone marries is a DIFFERENT right.
                    Got it now?

                  • Nebton says:

                    OK, so then you agree that, despite what you said earlier, they do NOT have the same rights, then, right? (Since “Who someone marries is a DIFFERENT right.”)

                    Glad we finally got that settled.

                  • Nebton says:

                    (PS. I still don’t think it’s rude to point out that analogies are not equalities. Some people have difficulty with the English language and pointing out their mistakes does not make one rude, as long as one doesn’t do it rudely, and I don’t think I was rude about pointing out your mistake.)

                  • It's so obvious! says:

                    Like I said, it’s a different right. Which means different legislation, and a different law. The law IS equal. Thanks.

                  • Nebton says:

                    Does the law allow men to marry women, but not women to marry women? If so, then the laws aren’t equal, since “who someone marries is a DIFFERENT right.” It doesn’t matter if it’s equal in one way – if it’s unequal in another way, it’s unequal. If A=A, but B ≠ C, then A+B≠A+C, regardless of how much A=A.

                  • ISO, that argument is deliberately obtuse and you know it.

                  • It's so obvious! says:

                    Rando, that IS the argument. I didn’t create it, I’m just as intrigued by it as you are.

                  • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                    It might be, but it’s correct — and it’s important to keep in mind, lest we redefine “discrimination” and set a bad precedent.

                  • justacanuck the booty wench says:

                    Thank you, Rando, that’s exactly what I was thinking! I would flash you but I remember you’ve gotten tired of seeing them. :twisted:

                  • Nebton says:

                    @Dhoti: What’s correct, that A+B=A+C when A=C and B≠C? I’m really not sure what you’re saying is correct, but as for setting a bad precedent for discrimination, I’m hoping you’re kidding. Otherwise, I’m sure that’s what the plaintiffs were thinking in Loving v. Virginia. (The Supreme court decided, unanimously, against Virginia in that case, btw.)

                  • Nebton says:

                    ISO: it might be the argument, and perhaps you were just playing devil’s advocate, but if so, the devil should hire a new one because you essentially proved the argument invalid. (A classic example of reductio ad absurdum.)

                  • Nebbie: The argument is invalid because Shaq is holding a panda.

                  • It's so obvious! says:

                    In your mind I proved it wrong. Really, I don’t care what you think. But thanks for being rude and patronizing.

                  • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                    Here’s all I’m saying:
                    Discriminatory law: a man and a woman of the same race can get married
                    Non-discriminatory law: any man and any woman, regardless of race, sexual orientation, whatever, can get married

                    Any comparison to the civil rights movement falls flat, because one was actually fighting for civil equality, whereas the other is asking for an expansion of something existing.

                  • Nebton says:

                    ISO: you think I’m being rude and patronizing, but that sounds like an excuse to ignore that your argument is self-contradictory. No matter how much you might say it, however, pointing out the contradiction is not rude.

                  • It's so obvious! says:

                    Well spoken, Dhoti. I’m trying to do 5,000 things at once right now and don’t have time to really delve into the meat of this argument, as iit IS the argument, and I’m still rolling it around in my head ;)

                  • Nebton says:

                    Dhoti: so let me get this straight:

                    Non-discriminatory law: any man and any woman, regardless of race, sexual orientation, whatever, can get married

                    But, the law in Virginia which said that “any man and any woman, regardless of race, sexual orientation, whatever, can get married” was discriminatory because it specified who they could marry. The difference is that the law that was overturned specified who they could marry based on race, and the law that hasn’t been overturned specifies who they can marry based on sex.

                    As I said, it’s sexual discrimination, clear and simple.

                  • Nebton says:

                    I hate it when I mess up the closing tag.

                  • It's so obvious! says:

                    And yours is hogwash, and totally denigrating to people who are actually suffering from sexual discrimination.

                  • It's so obvious! says:

                    …not only good for property values, but also aesthetically pleasing, as well! Besides, if I have to suffer the *ahem* joys of marriage, EVERYONE should be allowed to, as well. :)

                  • Nebton says:

                    How is it hogwash? Let’s try this question and answer series: is telling someone who you can marry based off race racial discrimination? If so, then how is telling someone who you can marry based off sex not sexual discrimination? Please explain the difference to me.

                  • Nebton says:

                    Now that’s a reasonable counterargument, Dhoti. I would say that male-only or female-only locker rooms and restrooms are discriminatory, but that it’s acceptable discrimination. There are a lot of other places in society where such discrimination exists, and I’d say it exists on a spectrum of acceptability. Pay is different for the same job? Not acceptable. Girls aren’t allowed to play football in many high schools (because they can’t play on boys’ teams, and not enough girls want to play to form a girls’ team)? Not acceptable to me, but not as clear cut as the previous example. Men aren’t allowed in female pageant shows? Less clear cut, but not one I’m going to the mat for. Men aren’t allowed in women’s restrooms? Mostly acceptable, although I am concerned about transgendered people.

                  • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                    I think that, since your definition of “discrimination” is more expansive than mine, we’re stuck.

                  • It's so obvious! says:

                    Urgh. Meeting.
                    Agreed, Dhoti. Very expansive, indeed. By Nebton’s logic, it would be religious discrimination disallowing the practice of Mormon polygamy, and god only KNOWS what would happen if we allowed those folks recognized plural marriages :)

                  • And I think that’s where the argument ends up going in circles. We have different definitions of discrimination than you do. Which you’re right, it means we’re stuck. Which is nothing new. LOL

                  • It's so obvious! says:

                    @ Rando: then the entire practice of law and legal system must be obtuse, since it’s all about nuances and semantics…. couched as legal precedent (apologies to diss).

                  • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                    I don’t think it’s quite that bad, Rando — I think we can agree on the definition; it’s just a matter of extent.

                    Out of curiosity, where do you fall on the locker room/single-sex sports league/dudes in beauty pageants issues? Do you share Neb’s “acceptable discrimination” viewpoint?

                  • Nebton says:

                    At the very least, I think my definition of discrimination is very simple and straight-forward. If you’re discriminating (a pretty well-defined word, IMO) on the basis of sex, it’s discrimination. That does punt the question, of course, to what is acceptable discrimination, since most people would consider that such cases exist (e.g., locker rooms, although what about cases like Caster Semenya?). To me, a straightforward legal approach is to start with the question, what’s the benefit of the discrimination and what’s the harm? Most people would evaluate the locker room situation and decide that the benefit outweighs the harm, but that special consideration might be given for special cases. One would then need to argue what the benefits are and damages are for allowing a woman to marry another woman (for example) instead of a man.

                    As for ISOs concern about religious discrimination, that comparison fails here. AFAIK, no one is ever told who they can marry based off religious identity. No one can marry more than one person (legally) in the US, whether they’re Catholic, Episcopalian, or Mormon. There are religious issues (just like with some religions and illegal drugs), of course, but the arguments I’m making for discrimination aren’t relevant to multiple marriages, as I see it. (And yes, there is species discrimination, if you want to get ridiculous. That’s true all over the place. When’s the last time a dog got a driver’s license, for example, or was even allowed to take the test to get one?)

                  • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                    Here’s the problem — what you’re calling “harmful discrimination” is what the law calls plain old “discrimination”. You think harmful discrimination should be eliminated; the law is required to eliminate discrimination. But, since the legal version doesn’t include your concept of “beneficial discrimination”, your terms are not interchangeable.

                    I think this distinction’s important because, without it, I worry that the net effect will be to elevate the power of the judiciary over the legislature. More fundamentally, I don’t believe that members of protected classes have an ability to challenge laws they disagree with that the rest of society does not have.

                  • Nebton says:

                    Well, to pick on an edge case, what about situations where a person has the sex organs of a female, believes herself to be female, but has a Y chromosome? (IIRC, that’s the rumor around Caster Semenya, which may or may not be true, but it does happen.) Should such a person be allowed to marry a male or a female? What about (natural) hermaphrodites? Of course, these same concerns apply to the locker room.

                  • Nebton says:

                    It would be discrimination, strictly speaking, but not religious discrimination. Rather, it would be marital status discrimination, and there’s already plenty of examples of that. As I mentioned earlier, there’s also cases of species discrimination, but no one’s fighting to change that. As you indicate, there are certain recognized classes of discrimination: sexual, racial, and religious being the ones we’ve discussed here. Marital status is not a recognized class of discrimination. Just to be clear, I’m not disputing how discrimination is defined legally, for two reasons: (1) IANAL, and (2) nothing legal is ever simple. That said, I do think my definition is a very simple dictionary definition.

                  • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                    So you recognize that your definition is different from the legal one, but you think the legal system should ignore its own definition and use yours in some, or all, cases? That hardly seems fair.

                    That seems to lead back into my original point — if you don’t like the law, change it. Don’t engage in judicial activism; apart from being antithetical to the rule of law, it presupposes that your position on every issue will always be “right”.

                  • Nebton says:

                    Actually, my IANAL statement does not acknowledge that the law is different, just that it wouldn’t surprise me. That said, I’m talking about what should be, not what necessarily is. Part of the problem with law (and language in general) is that definitions are not static. I doubt that discrimination is defined as concretely as both of us would like to be. (I’m assuming that you’re like me in that you prefer precise laws wherever possible.)

                    That said, if we go off assumed intent (i.e., the meaning of the law as understood by those who wrote and voted on it), then you’re probably mostly right that sexual discrimination legally would not include all cases of sexual discrimination, and that, more specifically, it would not include homosexual marriage. However, the same argument could be made about laws regarding racial discrimination and interracial marriage (the amendments that are most frequently cited date to right after the Civil War, after all). Thus, laws (or amendments) should’ve been required to allow interracial marriage, as well. If I were going to be truly rigorous in insisting on no judicial activism whatsoever, that’s the position I’d take. Can you paint a difference between the Supreme Court ruling in interracial marriage and a similar hypothetical ruling on same-sex marriage? Keep in mind that there is also a limited amount of racial discrimination we allow.

                  • Nebton says:

                    P.S. You’ve done an excellent job in arguing your case as you’ve essentially backed me into the corner of “They do it, too” and “Because I want it to be that way”.

                  • Wino says:

                    I am not certain that the law in any state distinguishes between all male and all female scholarship programs. Public conceptions of political correctness does, but I am not sure there would be legal repercussions for the creation of one.

                    Not intended to be contentious- just interested in being involved on the longest thread on PK ever ;)

                • Nebton says:

                  OK, I’ll buy that. Every group of people, including scientists, has their glory hogs.

                • NakedDoubleWatusi says:

                  Publish or perish, bay-bee.
                  What’s the first thing a newly sitting first term president does? ;)

  8. cgray says:

    Hey Captain Wow–and after Obama’s call, Kentucky promptly went out and lost to South Carolina–basically full of fail. Double hell yes.

  9. lovebird8 says:

    Me mind on fire, me soul on fire
    Feelin’ hot hot hot . . .
    Party people, all around me
    Feelin hot hot hot . . .

  10. Wino says:

    For some reason all I can think when looking at this picture is:

    “the phantom of the climate is there, inside my mind…”

  11. Line deleted from scene…

    “NoooooOoooo… My biodegradable and eco-friendly flesh is melting under these inhuman lights!!!”

    Then somebody pointed out that Gore wasn’t making a monster film and that all fleshy human meat sacks have biodegradable and eco-friendly flesh and he didn’t invent it. Gore stood befuddled by this for a while and then opted to sing in a bad Alto for the next hour.

    Which proceeded to melt the biodegradable and eco-friendly flesh off the audience. There will be a service next week. Bring your own earphones.

  12. A tragic opera at that.. He must be suffereing from major heartburn these days because it looks like he’s horking up a ball of fire.

  13. Nick says:

    IF I WERE TO EAT A GIANT HOT DOG I WOULD DO SO IN THE FOLLOWING MANNER! OM NOMNOMNOMNOM

    • Brak the *BANG* THUNDER GOD INCARNATE...or something like it says:

      This made me laugh like hell.
      Is it just me? I mean, I am a bit odd.

  14. FaileV says:

    Gads, the first thing I thought of for this was the opera at the end of “the devil’s hands are idle play things”

  15. Brak the *BANG* THUNDER GOD INCARNATE...or something like it says:

    You, sir, are a genius.
    My hammer is at your service. :-D

  16. Damn, the visuals were awesome! I can honestly picture that, especially Algorio being carted off to the underworld..

  17. It's so obvious! says:

    Dude. This is epic win with a side of awesomesauce :)

  18. That’s actually pretty entertaining there. :)

  19. UnhappyVegemite says:

    I’d pay money to see that opera :) kinda epic

  20. viking gal says:

    Are you going to get that Italian guy, Joe Green, to do the music writing? :)

    • keithybabes says:

      In the spirit of modern times, and since Signor Verdi is no lionger with us, many of the songs will be recycled. They will include:
      Baby it’s cold outside
      Blowin’ in the wind
      Money money money
      Liar Liar
      It’s the end of the world as we know it
      Let it snow
      You’ve got to pick a pocket or two

  21. I’m actually very impressed, especially since I can’t think of any way that I would change or improve it since I like where it is so much right now. *stamps approval and flies off*

  22. HueyDoc says:

    I’m Hueydoc and I approve this script.

    • keithybabes says:

      Dang! It’s taken me ages to realise it was YOUR caption! Nice one mate! Damn funny – keep up the good work!

  23. Smurf says:

    Huey, just because you are last right now, does not give you the right to say anything at all. Anyway, you vote for Al? I might have guessed…

  24. Miss Fit the DD Dutch Dumpling says:

    For a second, I thought he was going all “KAMEEEHAAAMEEEEEEHAAAA–!!1!” there.

    *realizes she’s being a nerd*

    *sits down quietly*

    • HelOnWheels the Gene Pool Lifeguard says:

      OMG! Double D! You’re back! Yay!

      • Miss Fit the DD Dutch Dumpling says:

        *glomps HOW*

        Helleuu, m’ dahling lifeguard. :) Saved any endangered species today?

        • mabsba says:

          Hey, Miss Fit is back! Yay! I think HOW’s job is to save the very endangered humans-capable-of-expressing-rational-thoughts-on-the-internet species. She’s doing very well, except that she did stink up the place with some carcasses recently. :)

          • Miss Fit the DD Dutch Dumpling says:

            I sure feel welcomed when I come here~ *pinks a tear away* Thanks, guys. :D

            Haha! Well, that’s gonna be a bit of an environmental problem with all those gasses.. Where’s Al Gore when you need him? …Oh wait, he was dragged to the underworld… Hmm, oh well, back to the SUVs.

    • Brak the *BANG* THUNDER GOD INCARNATE...or something like it says:

      Not so nerdy.
      My first thought actually. ;-)

      • Miss Fit the DD Dutch Dumpling says:

        Phew! I was already scared that people would only think of a certain horrible live-action movie that has raped many childhood memories when I said that. Ahh Toriyama, what did you do, selling your soul to the devil like that? *suddenly has a strong sense of deja vu* Wait, haven’t I already read this before? Something about Algorio…

        • Brak the *BANG* THUNDER GOD INCARNATE...or something like it says:

          Didn’t even watch that wretched movie. Saw previews and read the blurbs and it became evident that the movie we had waited for so long was going to be a piece of sh*t. Ah…what coulda been.

          • Miss Fit the DD Dutch Dumpling says:

            I couldn’t bring myself to go and watch it, either. Previews were enough to make my inner twelve-year-old cry. Previews, and a bit of Rotten Tomatoes reviews to get at least a laugh out of the whole thing. I mean, FFS, Piccolo. What The Duck, he was fvcking yellow or something.

            ..Oh well, I’ll just go and watch DBZ Abridged on youtube or something. Now that’s lame – and funny. :D

  25. ocdtetris says:

    Haha this pic is fantastic XD

    also PLEASE CHECK OUT MY BLOG :)

    • keithybabes says:

      No.

      • Nebton says:

        Finally, something all of us, left and right, religious and atheist, men and women (et al.), etc., etc., can agree on!

    • HelOnWheels the Gene Pool Lifeguard says:

      I will and tell you to fvck off and die in the comments, spam troll.

      • Miss Fit the DD Dutch Dumpling says:

        Ohhh, extinction imminent, I say.

        Oh Gene Pool Lifeguard, you saved us again! Whatever would we be without you…

        …I’m not sarcastic, by the way. <3

      • Did you do it? That would be awesome.

        • Miss Fit the DD Dutch Dumpling says:

          I tried to look but was blinded by the overload of YouTube-clips on it. :( Apparently, he’s a Dido-fan. *does not further indulge herself in the potential jokes on that subject*

          • mabsba says:

            A what-fan? Oh, misread. :red:

            • Miss Fit the DD Dutch Dumpling says:

              ‘s okay, I never knew who Dido was before Eminem’s vid, either. Or… is she not at all known in the US? o_o I mean, I believe she was pretty popular here in Europe, but I’m not sure how her songs were received at the other side of the big puddle.

              • mabsba says:

                I’m probably not the best person to ask that. *looks around furtively* Shhhh…I like country and folk music and what’s now old rock.

                Do you all call the Atlantic ‘the big puddle’? Lol. On BBC they always call it ‘the pond.’

                • Miss Fit the DD Dutch Dumpling says:

                  Ohhh, Classic Rock, eh? 8D I totally took over my dad’s obsession with it. Where I live, I’m one of the few 19-year-old-CR fans in a world full of Gangsta Rap-kids. I don’t even mind Hiphop, as long as it’s got something to tell — something other than how many hoe’s and kilos of gold around the neck the ‘pimp’ (of hustler? Sweet son of a crap, I feel so old for not knowing this. D:) in question possesses.

                  My fave music would be oldschool Punk, though. So my name’s not inspired by the workout ladies on TV, but a certain band. :D

                  • mabsba says:

                    OMG. You’re 19 and feel ‘so old’? *sigh* My SON is 17. *goes to sit in corner*

                    • Maxwell Silverhammer With No Introductory APR says:

                      We’re not old Mabs, We’re Vintage!

                    • Miss Fit the DD Dutch Dumpling says:

                      My parents always say that I’m an old soul in a young body – or something spiritual like that. Funny thing is, they’re as down-to-earth as one can get. You guys would probably like them. :)

                      It’s probably true, though. At high school I was looked at weirdly by kids when I stated that I had no clue who Chris Brown was, nor pretended to have an interest in the latest ANTM winner. And once they found out that I was a huge fan of obscure punk bands they tended to inch away slowly. Oh well. I’m not going to apologize for not liking Beyoncé’s music. To each his own, right?

                      • mabsba says:

                        *sigh* I had to google ANTM. Beyonce I think one of my students played for me once (she’s 15).

                        • Miss Fit the DD Dutch Dumpling says:

                          Hee hee, ‘s alright, Mabs – I never would’ve known what it was either, if it weren’t for the fact that it’s kinda impossible to escape when you’re my age. :)

                        • mabsba says:

                          The same student is always so disappointed that I haven’t watched American Idol. I love her dearly*, but there ARE limits to what I’ll watch just to be able to talk to my students.

                          *In a totally proper teacher way, which I have to add as front page earlier this week was four local teacher who had had sex with their teenage students. *sigh* I haz a sad. A really, really big sad.

                        • Nebton says:

                          I haz a sad, too. Where were those teachers when I was a teenage boy? (They were female teachers, right?)

                          In all seriousness, I used to be a school teacher myself, and during orientation we were given specific instructions never to be in a room alone with a student (regardless of sex) if the door is closed, and this was nearly two decades ago. (At the time, there was reportedly a female “gang” initiation ritual that involved accusing a male teacher of sexual misconduct, or at least that’s what we were warned of.)

                        • mabsba says:

                          3 male, 1 female. They have the same rule in Scouts, BTW.

              • Nebton says:

                I’ve heard of Dido and I’m pretty pop music ignorant, so I think she’s pretty well known here in the States.

    • Brak the *BANG* THUNDER GOD INCARNATE...or something like it says:

      I think what you should go now and do is
      Fvck yrsf and DIE.


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