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Second-longest debate in Senate history and the GOP is still whining that health care reform was “rammed through without enough discussion.” You lost. Lying about it won’t change that.
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They can be a bit of a misguided group.
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ADAMMMMMMMSSSSS!!!! *shaking fist*
This is craptastic in so many ways I have not time to list them all.
And…let the flame wars begin! *dons flame suit*
We need to derail this thread before the flames start. It’s oral day, I say we all get naked!!
SHOOORRRRTYYYYYYYYY!!!! *shaking…just shaking*
yes, my dear?
Happy Oralday darling girl! *waits to be dragged away*
*grabs ivans foot and walks towards the nearest dark room dragging him along*
*has a happy*
my turn?
*smiles and slowly brings hand out from behind back*
Put these on?
*holds out pepto-pink jammies*
*whine*
do i haaaaaaaaave to? they’re so hideous….
It’s not like you’d be wearing them for long…
You first!
Then make we with the oral!
I can’t type. My mind is on other things.
*fails*
*strips off clothes, shakes booty in Steve’s direction* Is you mind on this thing?
Ah, I hope you remember to put those back on before the job interview.
Oh, good point, mabs. Sorry, Steve, maybe we should wait until after my interview. I tend to be absentminded….
That might be best…otherwise you’re going to need to shower again anyway, and your clothes will be all wrinkled…
Good luck with the interview!
Thanks!! Oral day commences after then!
Knock them dead at the interview, Nucky!
And your Flames avatar…BURNS!! It burns my Hawk-loving retinas! Put it out! Put it out!!
Go nucky (didn’t think they had job interviews in Communist Canada…
)
Go CANES!!!
Thanks, guys!
It’s been 10 years since I interviewed for a job!
I always love the “So tell us about yourself” question. My youngest brother always said, “I get to work on time, I don’t leave early and I don’t take two hour lunches.”
I actually used that at my next interview and got the job.
)
(Stupid people to work for, unfortunately.
I hate the “So, what would you (your old boss, former co-workers, etc.) say is your weakest point?” Like, there’s a good answer for that!!
“So, what would you say is your weakest point?”
Too often people use this to make a smarmy comment about being an overachiever or workaholic. I prefer to answer “Redheads.”
Ew, I had one of those last Friday. I loathe those questions.
So after that job, do you think the next ones would have appreciated my weakest point being that I wanted to strangle my boss in the afternoon for not doing what he friggin’ promised the customer he’d do that morning? (He did that to our biggest customer once. Fortunately the guy was incredibly easy-going…and hated my boss, but loved our products. We crashed his entire computer network, and he was laughing when he called to tell me.)
I don’t know about back there, but down here a lot of companies have started doing what they call behavioural interviews. Instead of asking the usual “What would you bring to the position?” type of questions, they are now more like “Can you describe a time when you mentored someone, and what was the outcome?” I can interview pretty well, but this type of interview throws me off. I guess I didn’t get the job because I answered, “Mentor? The last guy I worked with should be damn lucky I didn’t kick his ass for eating curry every day at his desk!” I didn’t realize at the time that my answer would be the deal breaker.
I tend to like when they ask “Do you have any questions for us?”
“Sure. Can I have the job?”
OMG, that was in our paper last week. Let me think…can you think of a poor decision you made in your last job and how did you rectify it?
(I don’t know that I’ve ever been interviewed by someone who actually understood what ‘rectify’ meant so that one was pretty funny to me.)
I ask “What animal would you be, and Why?”
@eds: Yeah, that’s what they’re doing here too. Behavioural Interview = me looking like a deer in the headlights.
The worst interview I ever did was by committee. I walked in and there were 7 people all shooting questions at me. The clencher that got me the job was when I was asked where I saw myself in 5 years. I pointed at the manager and said, “Where he’s sitting.”
Turns out the other 6 people in the room really didn’t like the manager..
I’d have liked some more concrete questions like that. I got “tell me about yourself”, and after having talked for what felt like an eternity she said “I still can’t really get a grip on who you are”. Argh. :p
I’m way late on this but knock ‘em dead, Nucky!
Make sure you mention that you have the endorsement of all Asgard.
Ahhhh…Oral Day. The day we all whistle. You know how to whistle, Don’t you…………….
I think I did well, Brak, thanks. Let the oralday celebrations commence.
Oh, Rando, that makes me sad…but at least they liked you, they really liked you
Yeah, it was a bit of a confidence boost knowing that I *can* find other jobs. However, there are certain…situations…that make it a good idea to stick with my current job, and it’s health insurance.
Psst. What’s your new gravatar? It’s too little for me to figure out.
It’s the Calgary Flames logo (my sucky hockey team). The gravitars are about 1/2 inch square on my screen….they must be really tiny on yours.
Um, yeah, that was the problem. I’m going with that. (Not my total inability to recognize hockey team logos.
)
Well, you said “too little”….
Yeah that’s what she said……. Thank you thank you, I’ll be here all day…. (home sick from work).
Nucky, it was too little because I had not cleared my history and it was only showing up under recent comments. But when you mentioned the size, I fixed mine and I still had no idea.
(Hockey? Has something to do with ice, right? And sticks? Ice and sticks?)
PB —
S’okay, mabs, I can barely tell what most people’s gravatars are…..I just hated being the pink thing….it wasn’t even an interesting pattern.
Mine was the St. Louis Blues logo for a little while. I changed it last night to Sheldon from Big Bang Theory. I love that show!
Big Bang FTW!!!!
I’ll be back before this cup hits the floor… zoom zoom zoom…
Damn, I guess I have to clear my cache now.
Ok, that’s better
Big bang theory! *giggles* Also, I don’t like Penny, she’s not good enough for Leonard.
*peeks his head in*
I’ve… never seen that show…
It is lovely and nerdtastic. No, it is not nerdtastic, I don’t like that word, it was so much better than nerdtastic. We need a word for how great and nerdy the show is.
It is one of my son’s favorite shows. We watch it together every week. (Much better than when he was in elementary school, and his favorite was “Sabrina, the Teenage Witch.”
)
Nerdgasmic? Does that work?
Oohh! I like Nerdgasmic! *wanders off to have a nerdgasm*
I loved where Sheldon was getting totally pwned at Mario Kart in one episode. The one from this week had me in stitches, and I was totally laughing at the nerdy jokes. “Haha, he said firmware problem!” As for Penny, she is kind of annoying, but for Leonard it’s gotta be a step up from Darlene on Roseanne. LOL
Wait, what? I thought Howard dated her, I didn’t know Leonard had dated her too…(I missed most of the last season because I was working Monday nights)
Isn’t Big Bang Theory on Hulu?
Also, during the first season of the Dr. Who reboot, the two part finale made me have a nerdgasm once Rose got Transmatted and the camera POV was in “eyestalk vision”.
Big Bang Theory; the only show on Tv with science, engineering, nerd and mundane jokes! And Yes I do get all 4 categories!
I’m in. Clothes, what clothes?
The ones on the floor.
Not even worth a flame war, b/c I think even the liberals on this site see the Fail in this, besides the lack of LOL. Once again when I voted on this it had at least -30 or something, how the hell does it make it… we must kill the EW Socks!!!
Actually, it’s true, just preachy and not funny.
You sure glad you have that flame suit…. you do realize that the GOP was completely ignored thorughout the Health Care Bill, it was the Blue Dog dems that had to be bought off…. you know that, right?
Well, if the moderate Republicans had options that would’ve allowed the Democrats to appeal to them before appealing to the Blue Dogs, don’t you think that would’ve been tried first? The problem is that any compromise was framed by the Republicans as a “foot in the door to socialized medicine”, so they left no room for compromise.
Nebbi, Nebbi, Nebbi. Pay attention. We’re not having a flame war; we’re building a thermonuclear orbital missile station to kill the EWAdams. Got any yellowcake? Everyone keeps eating it. Except me, of course!
So sorry. Here let me tell you a story that I heard from my neuroscience buddies that might or might not be apocryphal:
The experimenters put a rat in a T-maze* with cheese in the left arm of the T, and an ovulating female rat in the right. The rat gets to the T-junction, and (naturally) runs toward the female. The floor then drops out from under the rat and it falls into some cold water. The rat is then picked up and put at the beginning of the T-maze again. It gets to the T-junction, sees the female, runs towards her, and the floor drops out again. This is repeated many times, until finally when the rat gets to the T-junction, it looks to the left sees the food, looks to the right sees the female and shivers. Clearly knowing what’s about to happen, it runs towards the female anyways, and the floor once again drops out from under it. Poor rat.
It’s male, we always do stupid $hit for pu-tang!!!! It’s called a penis Nebs.
Don’t I know it! Of course, women never make poor choices based on hormones…
*T-maze: a maze shaped like a T, where the rat is put at the bottom of the T and can turn left or right. I meant to include this footnote in the original story as the last time I told this story, the listener was unable to infer what a T-maze was.
“listener was unable to infer what a T-maze was” I haz a sad for our educational system.
What? Women affected by hormones? You jest. *ring* Oooo, hubby calling. Must go.
Mabs: I believe those hormones are more used in court cases of murder or at least chopping off of peni…..
I AM NOT AFFECTED BY MY HORMONE LEVELS! NO I AM NOT PMSING!!! I AM NOT YELLING!!! WHOS YELLING? IT ISN’T ME!
*extends chocolate cake at end of looooooong pole* Chocolate, dear? *runs away*
PMS is nothing compared to a pregnant woman. *shudders*
Poor rat, indeed.
So are you saying we can get it to help with the platform if we put an ovulating female in the workroom?
Possibly, but then you might lose the help of the other males…
Ew. You guys are attracted to female rats? *begins to understand Nebbi’s single status*
Hey, I ain’t single! I’ve been happily married for nearly 17 years, as a matter of fact! You didn’t specify that the ovulating female was a rat, though…
Nebs: Didn’t you learn? Never argue with a liberal, pertinent facts are usually left out… **wink wink**
*looks suspiciously at Nebbi* Well, I suppose that could have been misinterpreted. Okay then, back to work. These platforms don’t build themselves, you know.
Well when there is such a big difference in philosophy then yes that will happen (sort of like the Privatization of Social Security under Bush).
But the tue test was that the public didn’t want this specific Bill, yet the Dems are STILL pushing for it’s approval, so yes it is being Rammed down people’s throats. You REALLY can’t argue with that. Whether the people are right or not, CAN be argued.
Hey, I can argue with anything. But, still, in deference of how craptastic this LOL is, I won’t.
That we can agree…
What color *is* the sky in your universe? The Democrats had a bill, and they cut it up and rewrote it and put in 20 or 30 new provisions for the Republicans who were whining their butts off… and then the Republicans still didn’t vote for the bill anyway and kept right on whining that they weren’t included. What you’re saying? Didn’t happen and it’s bullcrap.
I wasn’t starting a flame war. STOP WITH THE BLAMING! I was pointing out the always obvious lack of LOL except this one is particularly bad lolame.
*blames HOW anyways*
Actually, I blame Bush.
Can we blame Bush for HOW, or HOW for Bush?
Oops, meant to add a
No, you can not! But you can blame it on the rain…
*skips away humming*
Blame it on the Bossa Nova.
I prefer to blame it on rio.
Bang, bang, bang, bang and bang. Blame, blame, blame!
It’s not my thing so let it goooooo!
Blame it on the al-al-al-al-alcohol.
This song always makes me giggle having seen the video with Opie in it.
*giggles*
Blame it on Hussein, yeahh yeah… whatever you do, don’t put the blame on Bush… blame it on Hussein…
Ditto. I really need Greenbeard to return so we can finish our thermonuclear orbital missile station…and Diss to RETURN THE YELLOWCAKE! Anyone know where slot B is?
Cake? *perks up*
Stop eating the yellowcake! Look, here, nice chocolate cake. *grabs back the yellowcake while Ivan is distracted by chocolate*
*Grabs chocolate cake and runs off with it before Ivan can reach it*
*weeping*
Here dude…Asgardian Mead Cake. You will LIKE this!
*Places a jeroboam of wine in front of wino to distract him, grabs the chocolate cake and runs.*
*forgets about cake, drinks wine, smiles*
*distracts wino with more cake, steals his wine, runs off and giggles*
*presents PKers with a sample of my Champagne White Cake for teh weddin’*
Enjoy guys!
Champagne? Where?
Oh it’s you Capn; do you do body shots?
*cries a little bit* *eats cake* *perks up a bit at the words champagne and body shots*
*trips DU, grabs the cake and makes for the door*
*shuts the door before canuk gets there*
Share?
Absolutely.
Yeah Slot B is where I slip Tab A into…
*turns instructions around and around*
Uhhmm…these are in Korean. Now what?
Bend over and I’ll show you how it goes together…
Mine are in Swedish….Damn you, Ikea!!! *perks up* Oh, wait, where’s Danbala?
Trust me, knowing Swedish doesn’t help with those….
Do they forget to include parts even in Sweden? I thought that was something they just did to torment Americans. *muttering* I swear there should be FIVE three inch bolts.
Nah, they’re working hard on raising annoyance levels globally. Crawley must’ve had a finger in that pie too…
See, I always get extra bolts that I don’t need. At least now you know where your bolts are disappearing to!
Nebs, could you send them my way? I’m sure I’ll need them this weekend.
I’m far too familiar with Murphy’s Law to do that. If I keep them, I’ll keep getting more bolts I don’t need. If I give them to you, though, the next project I get won’t have enough, guaranteed.
Dear goddess……kill me now. I have a floating shelf and a book shelf to assemble this weekend. My 12-year-old is going to “help”.
My son and I helped my sister put together her kitchen cabinets. Want me to send him up there?
Note: she said, hey, while you’re visiting, can you help with my kitchen cabinets? I thought this meant moving them from Mom’s garage to her house. Noooooooooo. From the garage to sister’s back yard, then into the house AFTER the Ikea assembly team finished them (her, me, my son). If someone asks you to help with cabinets that are in flat boxes, run!!
PS I’ve done a few bookcases. They’re actually not bad. The cabinets had the dreaded phrase, ‘but before doing [last twenty-five steps] insert drawer hardware.’
I had a tv stand with those instructions…..In small print on the back page at the very bottom: BTW, you should do this first or the whole thing will fall apart.
I’m a little worried about the floating shelf – I don’t have a level. I’ll get it put up and all his soccer trophies will roll off on his head in the middle of the night.
Do you have a clear measuring cup? Fill it to one of the lines and use that.
That’s brilliant, mabs!!! Thanks!
*sirens* Math geek to the rescue!
Ah, addendum: if you have one that has a lid, use that.
When I was in grad school, I think a crescent wrench and a hammer comprised my toolbox (no box, even). One learns to make do.
Reminding me of this pic , which I love.
Fantastic!
I thought Ikea sold Kias…. hence the similar names?!?!?!?
*smacks ILPB with rolled up newspaper* You behave. This is serious business. We must finish our troll annihilator.
Thank you Ma’am may I have another…
No! Now get to work or we’ll never get it done. And make Ivan stop eating the yellowcake!
*looks up with yellocake crumbs on her lips*
Wut?? This was not meant for my tea? Oh, uhhmm…sorry…?
i’ll soon have his mouth busy with other things, it is oralday after all…
*head asplodes*
FINE!!! But you owe me later then…. **takes yellowcake from Ivan and trudges back to the reactor** GREAT not enough!!! **Goes to kitchen to get flour, vanilla extract, sugar, butter to make more cake**
*sends ILPB extra cake tins*
**we’ll need LOTS of cake to make up for this cr%ppy LOL**
If SOME people would stop eating the cake, we’d have plenty to blow She-who-shall-not-be-named up (yes, I shall now call it “SWSNBN”). And they’d stop glowing green as well!
Hulk Smash?
Puny Human.
Hehe…you said blow. It IS oralday after all!
My favorite part of oralday
If my interview goes well, someone is in for a treat. 
Dibs. I could use a little hapiness today.
Well, you could have some of the yellowcake till she gets back. EVERYONE ELSE is eating it! *in best Mom voice*
Blow? *perks up*
You already have Shorty. Don’t be greedy. I think it has become ‘be nice to Steve day’ so he doesn’t get jailed for murder.
Off topic, but Blow reminds me of something funny. Who here has read “Runaway Bunny” the chidlren’s book? In one section a mother bunny says “If you become a sailboat I’ll become the wind and blow you where I want you to go.” On the next page the little boy bunny says “If you become the wind and blow me.” Both my wife and I chuckle at that part…
ILPB I’m trying to get a blowjob here, stop changing the subject!
hey steve… i seem to recall a conversation where you indicated you have a large “piano”. as such are you in favor of oralday? most guys i know who have large pianos are too fearful of teeth and as such pass it up…….
Damn the teeth! Full speed ahead!
Prepare for… Ramming Speed?
The name says it all…
*facepalm*
That reminds of when someone asked me to describe sex in the most nonsexual way possible. I said insert tab A into slot B pull tab part way out and repeat.
Reading the Kama Sutra with your partner provides much amusement… even before you try the positions half the fun is reading about them, you look at each other like “Do you even bend like that?”
The pop-up Kama Sutra was one of my favorite books at borders when we carried it. Sadly I think it went out of print.
The only book capable of a d*ckslap.
dur dur hur hur
shouldn’t this be in the Kludges blog?
Win.
But seriously, Democrats, name one topic brought up by the GOP on this Healthcare bill that there has been serious debate on and tell me when did they discuss it. There has been no bipartisan discussion and there are plenty of ways to do this other then the public option.
You’re both missing the point here: THIS IS NOT FUNNY!!!
I think it’s clearly not meant to be. It’s a typical, preachy, non-funny EWAdams LOL.
I know that, darlin. But I’m trying to prevent a partisan thermonuclear flame war.
It’s so pathetic one must laugh at EWAdams attempts of humor.
No! NEVER laugh! It only encourages him!
EWAdams is not a him. This is clearly an it. It has no conscience. Listen, and understand. That lolinator is out there. It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until all joy and happiness is dead!
Win.
YOU CAN’T MAKE ME LAUGH AT THIS!!!
Imagine them all in their underwear?!?!?!?
*throws up*
Now I’m going to have nightmares for weeks!
I bet Pelosi is totally wearing some slinky lingerie $hit, some domantirxesk corset and thigh high fish nets……. I totally see Biden in a banana hamock…
*pukes*
Who has the brain bleach and floss??!!! STAT!!!
PB, I just want you to know how much I hate you for that. *soaks brain in bleach and cold water so the stain doesn’t set in*
I can keep it together with the first part… but the second made me puke in my mouth a little…
The Democrats discussed it and put 20 or 30 provisons the Republicans wanted into the bill. The Republicans sat around and badmouthed the bill even after it was basically a Republican bill. This is what happened. Denying it accomplishes nothing.
Repeating the same thing over and over and over is not going to make us care about your comments on this thread. Just an FYI.
Oh, yeah…*aims, locks, fires and kills forge with her M14*
No, this person is totally RIGHT. You are all the ones with the problem.
True. And that problem is YOU!
WIN
You! Shudup! Don’t encourage them.
Who are “them”?
You and your socks.
No one cares what you think.
Soooooo…. you’re the spokesman for No One? Good to know.
Stop socking, dhydar. You’re a jackass no matter what log-in you use.
No one cares what you think either, sock.
Seems like DRH is awfully butthurt about Dhydar being insulted….
Hmmm…..
*scratches chin*
No one cares what you think.
So. Much. Suck. OMG. WTF?
Off with its head!!
this is crap…this is wrong is sooo many ways….
Really? List them. Support with links. Don’t link to Fox News, the Drudge Report or any other wingnut sites. I’ll wait here.
No wingnut sites? Okay, that cancels out Fox, Drudge, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, the AP and *especially* MSNBC. That leaves the BBC and Reuters.
‘Kay let’s see the support for those claims then.
Well, a few of those are well-known to be biased, especially Fox & MSNBC, who love to fight each other. Makes it hard to watch any kind of news when you know they’re all taking sides.
Agree, and if Rando and I can agree, it must be true.
What the hell would linking to drudge do? it’s a list of links to other sites.
In the words of someone MUCH funnier than myself; “This is a thing up with which we will not put!”
I don’t want my taxes wasted on welfare queens and kings and government welfare princesses and Acorns.
If they wanted health care they should have become doctors like me. I do all my own healthcare.
**pushes Sqwirk out the door** OUT OUT we know this is meant to start a flame war, we all know where each other stands on Health Care on this board, no more arguements….
If I kill it it’ll just come back as a zombie. Oh, what the heck…
*makes Sqwirk’s cranium ‘splode into 100s of pieces with her M14* Buh, bye, fvckwit.
I’m beginning to think squirk is Blaggo’s hair, masquerading as a troll.
DAMN IT HOW, you got blood and brains all over my new suit. WTF!!! Use a smaller gun next time.
*runs in from workroom* It didn’t get in the yellowcake batter, did it?
Yes yes it did, but Troll Blood is the secret ingredient to yellow cake….
Pft. It’s not a secret any more! WTG PB.
Oh there’s more to it… you can’t just use ANY troll….
*smack* SHADDAP YOU FACE! You’ll give it all away if you persist!
Noooooo!! But I like my rifle! Don’t take my baby away from me! *strokes M14, kisses it, cries*
*whispers* They’ll have to pry you from my cold, dead hands.
Wow…an M-14…nice.
Such a satisfying thump when you fire it.
And you can pick off a fly’s eye at 300 yards 9 times out of 10.
*admires HOW’s choice of weaponry. Old school but mighty fine*
*admires Brak’s hammer*
I could say the same thing to you.
*Decides that the women of Midgard are the best, hands down*
Hey now, that’s MY hammer you’re eyeing there, missy…….but I will share.
*crackle crackle*
Really…I’m not tired at all!
*snuggles into Nucky’s warm bits*
Just let me rest my eyes a minute………mmmmmmm……zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I prefer the M-388 Davy Crocket personally, not as much mess left behind, you don’t have to worry about accuracy so much just scorched earth and some radiation however if you really want to make a mess I must highly recommend the GAU 8/A Avenger Gatling gun.
You Americans have the best toys
almost all guns are banned here 
We have to keep the Aussies from rising up and taking over the world somehow.
We are ever vigilant for the Aussie uprising. *salutes DU*
We don’t have any other choice. Dude, they have kangaroos. KANGAROOS!! Can you imagine what they are capable of if they strap weapons onto those things??!!! *shudders*
Kangaroos are vicious! My friends son was chased home by a kangaroo once. I wouldn’t wanna fsck with an unarmed one, much less one armed with heavy artillery.
Hey it’s the drop bears and suicidal koalas that need to be placed on every world terror watchlist. If they ever organise themselves and stop sleeping and shagging for a few extra hours a day then watch out rest of the human race. Drop bears don’t like eating us Aussies – its the vegemite we consume that repels them, oh and marmite doesn’t work nor does iSnack 2.0 *yuck*
Roos are awesome – they make great steaks and they don’t produce greenhouse gasses so the greenies can’t complain about their emissions(apparently they have an enzyme in the gut that stops them from burping or farting methane) scientists are looking to see if it’s viable to genetically modify sheep and cows to produce the same enzyme. Kangaroos could save the world
Oooh, I didn’t know THAT gas thing about roos. That IS interesting. I do know they’re tasty.
I saw a kangaroo masturbate once.
Ewwww did you know there are 3 times as many roos in Australia as people? Also the state gives out free birth control to koalas
Koalas? Ha! Maybe they should think about making rabbits take sex ed. They’re the real problem!
Yeah, I grow my own medicine too.
No one cares what you think. (I think it’s time.)
Also, BOOOOOOTSTRAAAAAAPS
OKay, my friend sent me a funny to make up for the admins failing us today:
{http://blog.impactmt.com/2008/09/front-fell-off-oil-tanker.html}
(I know it sounds like a Monty Python skit, but it’s a real interview.)
I’ve got one, too! {http://www.the-scientist.com/community/posts/list/0/841.page}
And it is SORT of a Monty Python skit…
I love John Cleese. I had a prof in grad school that was about this comprehensible and was to the point of dropping the seminar when one of the older grad students let me in on the secret: the guy always spent a week giving an overview of the course that, of course, no one understood because we hadn’t HAD the flipping course yet. So after the first week it was comprehensible.
Just checked out your link. Before someone tells you nastily, that’s actually a skit. Still funny though. Link to snopes in my name.
That’s too funny because my friend ALWAYS checks everything she forwards. Now I will get to laugh at her expense.
PS THank you.
So my dorky friend emailed back that she KNEW it was a skit, she just didn’t bother to tell me.
(Still appreciate the heads up.)
Mabs, I laughed so hard I cried. That was hilarious.
You know what, I think I’d respect the hell out of any politician that actually gave an interview like that, LOL. “I just want to assure people that that’s not normal.”
Well, it least it didn’t happen in an environment.
um…… right. Cuz the bill is now law and there were no negatives for the Democrats. Gotta love the parallel universe.
I think Obama has a beard there…
For 14 years after killing the last attempt at healthcare reform, GOP did nothing.
..
Yeah… the Dems “rushed” into this one.
..
There’s the joke.
Batty how “ironic” that’d be your name…. nuff said!!!
YOU! Back to work! Where’s that yellowcake? I think creaturefeature is going to help with it. If everyone would just stop eating it!
*humming and licking fingers*
Hey! Is there any more of this cake left?? I’m really hungry today…maybe it has something to do with my aura being all green. Why are you giving me the stink-eye, mabs? Wut??
Don’t worry, mabs, I’ll lure them away from the yellocake.
Hey, HOW……I’ve got some special brownies…..fresh from the oven, cream cheese icing……nummy, nummy…….
*floats away in cartoon-fashion, following the brownie scent*
*rushes in with emergency supply of lemon & white chocolate biscuits and triple chocolate cake*
*rushes out with emergency supply of lemon & white chocolate biscuits and triple chocolate cake* Mine! All mine!
*cries*
So….does this mean that the cake is no longer a LIE??
Well, what is left of the cake is not a lie.
*sends mabs some yellowcake*
You realize that by using the word ironic there, you’re suggesting unexpected. Although I’d agree with you, I don’t think that’s what you mean…
That’s an attempt to pick on you for word choice, and not to start the debate that we’re not allowed to have here.
Nebbie nebiie nes.. you obviously weren’t around for the “ironic” flame war a few posts back… a little too ironic, I really do think….
You see, the irony is that it isn’t ironic at all.
Actually, this debate has been going on since at least 1965, when universal health care was dropped in favor of a compromise that gave us Medicare.
Sixty-five was when they added Medicaid wasn’t it? ‘Cuz I thought Medicare came way earlier.
FDR wanted comprehensive healthcare but the Republicans squashed it then too, so he had to settle for just Medicare. Republicans have been saying “what’s the rush?” FOR SIXTY-FIVE FRICKING YEARS. It’s time for this crap to stop!!!
Nixon wanted national health care, too. It isn’t all one side of the aisle. *sighs*
Politicians want us to live rich.. or die poor apparently…
Pundit Kitchen is supposed to be funny, not a place to air your political views. Funny pictures, not flame wars.
Almost right. Funny pictures and ensuing flame wars is what we want!
These pictures are only not funny to neanderthal crypto-fascist xenophobic self-loathing Republicans. EWAdams looks down on those who criticize EWAdams.
Aww isn’t that cute, look who showed up to try and defend oneself…… isn’t it cute when people don’t realize they’re such a FAIL!!!!
1. Posting not funny stuff to a LOL web-site
2. referring to itself in the third person
3. Not reading or comprehending since it’s also Liberals/ Democrats/ Republicans/ Conservatives/ Moderates/ Libertarians on here making fun of it. Hell even PETA rates higher…..
I’m really hoping that’s our resident sock master just trying his best to make a subtle farce on EWAdams…
i’d like to point out ivan, HOW, and the steve as some of the first to comment on this “LOL”. i’d also like to point out that NOT A ONE OF THEM is a republican or a conservative in any way shape or form.
the picture may have been funny, but the caption sure as hell wasn’t. seeing as how the caption is what is supposed to bring the lols on this site, you once again fail atrociously.
the picture’s not funny either
Sure it is, have you ever seen a better shot of a herd of Jack A$$es?
i was hoping that maybe Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell were making out or something; i guess not
Buuahahahhaa! That’s comedy gold, ILPB! 10 bajillion times funnier than the caption too.
DIBS!!! When PK runs out of stuff and re-uses a pic, I’m submitting it now!!!
So, it’ll probably be up sometime later this week?
Ooooooo! Oh no she dih’int
It’s all ok…… we all know the EWAdams would NEVER vote for a ILPB LOL no matter how many times this picture was posted..
Ahem, please add the builder of the thermonuclear orbital missile platform to that list. Thank you, shorty.
Um… hey Mabs… I finished my self assembling orbital platform, and my warheads, and tactical missiles… Unfortunately I forgot we aren’t allowed to build rockets or orbital vehicles up here… anyone got a used shuttle, boosters, and some rocket fuel I can borrow…
All I have is some pocket lint and Dr. Pepper.
You have Dr. Pepper!! *haz an envy*
*uploads some Dr Pepper via usb for Greenbeard.*
mmm… *nom nom*
Our vending machines at work has a horrible selection, but I can’t complain too much, at least the coffee is free.
Socialist Canadian Coffee? Is it good? Do you have to wait in line for it?
I am just sad because we have a terrible vending machine and I have to bring my own coffee
So do I, but since I work mostly at home I don’t have to carry it very far.
I actually bought a coffee maker for my office. This act made me a lot of friends around the office.
So are you selling coffee for money to supplement your income or trading it for ‘favors’?
favors
Wino, I like coffee
*hands Justacanuk mug of coffee* Cream or sugar?
Both please. I like my sweet cream to just have a hint of coffee.
“Self assembling”? While we were trying to assemble the Ikea one? I think I might cry. Um, we do have this nice used shuttle and probably some fuel since I assume no one will eat that. *starts winching shuttle out of garage*
Sweet… stupid treaty banning building our own, rockets, bombers and other potential launch platforms get’s annoying some times.
Well, we have lots of that stuff around as NM does have the US spaceport. I’m sure we can figure something out.
Why the heck are YOU limited in what you make? It’s not as if you all ever tried to take over Europe or anything. *confused*
It’s part of the agreement that lets us play with the components for WMD’s. We have some of the most freedom when it comes to building nuclear reactors, supply most of the worlds medical isotopes and even get to play with quite a few biological and chemical weapons… so long as we never develop the tools to actually use any of it.
*has smug we’re a nuclear power and you’re not look* Oh, that. Yes, well, you know, unstable countries can’t be allowed to play with just anything.
*shrugs* so we don’t have ICBM’s…
Unless it’s you guys shooting at us we’re still covered by MAD since there is no way you guys would not return fire on a missile fired basically at your back door. Like I said with JAC, since WWII we’ve preferred using ‘soft power’, it’s less likely to come back and haunt you.
Just joking!! *offers beer* Don’t let wifey see.
We would never shoot at you…and I say that from the state with the largest nuclear stockpile in the world.
Probably better off having us have the missiles to shoot back; means you’re less likely to be a primary target. NM’s strategy is that most Americans can’t remember that we’re part of the US, so we’re hoping the same for the missile shooters.
Ex: calling to order something — we don’t do international shipping
mailing packages — you’ll need a customs label (from USPS)
and, the favorite: but your English is so good. *headdesk*
*takes big pull of beer*
I never said I had been sober for 9 months… I’ve been drinking for 3
And for what it’s worth… I know exactly where New Mexico is, of course I’m a bit of a nerd… it’s still funny to see American jaws drop when I rattle off the American states… then their capitals… and then just for fun list the European countries and capitals.
Shoot! You have destroyed our only defensive strategy. But we still have our stockpile.
Sadly, I have often found that foreigners are more cognizant of American geography than Americans. And it’s hopeless asking Americans about other countries, even Canada. (“The place north of us? Very cold? They speak English?”) I mean, it’s not as if you have a LOT of provinces. I have seen people fail the question: name the three countries in North America. Three! Three freaking countries and one’s a gimme. *sigh*
It’s America, California, and Texas right?
Unless you’re on the East Coast, then replace Texas with New York.
Hey, do you like the new guy we found today?
Which one? I have a hard time keeping track of people with geometric avatars, so I tend to just think of everyone else as sporadic regulars.
Lol. I meant the little green smilie.
Very cool
Ivan isn’t a republican?
please be joking…
O.o
yeah, that was my thought too.
There, there. *pats Ivan* See the nice tree? Hug the nice tree. Everything will be all better. Have some more cake…nice ‘liberal’ cake…with liberal amounts of chocolate.
Right after I finish scrubbing this otter. He got into the yellowcake batter.
After you’re done, don’t forget the otter one.
*gets the mop to clean up Ivan’s bleeding heart mess*
Is that what they’re calling it these days?
Scrubbing the “otter”… De-oiling the “pelican”…. reducing my “emissions”… Setting up “the death panel”… Socializing my “healthcare”…. Rushing into my “legislation”… Regulating the “market”….
I could go on…
Please don’t. *whimper*
PS one more thing…… so in November when the Republicans gain many many seats in the House and some in the Senate we can have the same attitude “We won you lost, so go fvck yourself?” Got it!!!
*shudder*
You know what makes me shudder, the fact you had nothing whitty to say in retort, as you too know the future. Not that I totally like it, but I do prefer both parties in “control” and not 100% of one party in control. It doesn’t work that way.
You mean the same attitude the Republicans had between 1993 and 2008? Yeah, I iimagine they’ll pull that crap out again and act like it’s something new and fresh like they always do.
They are also not funny to liberal, open-minded, self-liking academic types. EWAdams should look down on EWAdams.
Is EWAdams German? I’ve never understood their humor. No matter how much I might agree with the sentiment*, I can’t see one iota of humor in it.
*No need to start a flamewar with that. I know many of you don’t agree with the sentiment.
But none of the furriners gets it either!
German humor isn’t merely foreign, it’s German. I enjoy British and Canadian (Kids in the Hall) humor, and I’m sure Australian humor is just fine. The little bit of Russian, Indian, and Chinese humor I’ve been exposed to has been at least mildly funny to me (although Chinese humor can be lost in translation if you’re not familiar with the idioms). German humor is in a league of its own. I should add that I was born in Germany (albeit on an American Army base), so it’s not that I have anything against Germany or Germans. It’s just I don’t find their humor even slightly funny.
Perhaps they find ‘everything’ funny, and the rest of us just don’t get why some of it is funny.
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/12/20/britain.laughter/index.html
After reading your post I thought about that world’s funniest joke project and I found that article. I thought German’s featured prominently in there. I guy from the UK had the funniest joke though, and German’s are most likely to think something is funny.
A guy, A guy and no comma in that first sentence. No one kill me.
*kills Andy*
Well, you were asking for it by asking us not to.
*dies*
fvck
We could bring you back as a zombie if you want to be “embodied”.
Here’s my impression “Caw Caw,, BANG Fvck I’m DEAD!!”
*Looks around suspiciously* Are there enough … is there enough to eat around here for a zombie?
What are you implying??
That he wants to fvck your brains out?!?!?
(or substitute fvck for eat!!!)
ILPB – Your mind is one track and one track only today. Is it the cold meds?
It’s the two hours of sleep last night……
If I stick to eating the brains of people voting this EW stuff up I might go hungy. Great tasting, but less filling.
Well, since they’re all the same person, it wouldn’t last long. You might as well eat the yellowcake…everyone else is.
Ok, I wish to be zombified in order to get cake.
*performs ritual*
TaDaaa! you are a zombie!
*runs like a bunny to protect her brains*
German humor = oxymoron.
Ah, but is the humour germane?
Sorry, fu(kweasel, but I’m a bleeding-heart, tree-hugging, otter-scrubbing liberal. And I hate you, AND your non-LOL LOL’s.
I’m a pinko-commie-red-socialist-treehugging lefty and I find your complete lack of funny disturbing, sh1tlicker.
EWA, I’m as liberal as they come. I often agree with your sentiments but I hate your lols. More than anything else, I hate them. On this site, I search for humor over political statements. So please, please, just bugger off.
CLICK THE LINK
Bravo! I hadn’t seen that before. Good show. My comment is awaiting moderation. *winky*
Same here.
*salutes*
And me.
EWAdams is certainly full of EWAdams. I’m nowhere near a Republican and still think 95% of your stuff is crap. You know, you can make fun of the Republicans and still be clever and witty. Really.
I don’t think I like this one, it does not make a good pet. *watches her pet Sqwirk try to bite the EWAdams* I don’t think we’re really going to be able to find it a good home, guess we’re just going to have to euthanize it. No, no, Sqwirk, don’t bite it, you might catch something.
*snort* heehee
even the color of the text (s)he used to create this lol is hideous
it always uses that color. a bit of a calling card, if you will.
Fvck me gently with a chainsaw. The guy who shares my office just discovered that you can listen to Rush Limbaugh radio online.
I fear I may be spending some time in jail soon…Diss? Find me a lawyer?
**points at Steve** HA! HA!…
*shakes finger at PB* Now, I don’t care if you’re sick. That’s just mean.
Poor Steve. Doesn’t that constitute a ‘hostile work environment’?
**mumbles* I’m allowed to have my radio on at an acceptable level from 9 -2… **continues mumbling about stapler**
That better be YOUR stapler you’re doing that with! If it’s not, I don’t want it back.
*goes to supply store for new stapler and bleach*
I’m gonna burn down the building.
Ooo…good idea. But get Steve out first. (You can leave the Limbaugh guy in there.
)
Oo! Get him to call Coulter, Beck and Bachmann to join him first!
See the problem with that ILPB is that I could argue that any volume on Rush Limbaugh is unnaceptable…
Well, that was a given. It was what was going on with the stapler that gave me pause. (I actually only like a couple of talk show hosts and could NOT work while one was on, although some of them are better than some people’s taste in music.)
How computer savvy is he? If not very, there are ways to disable his audio.
Or, if The Steve is computer savvy enough, there are ways to disable his audio that even otherwise competent computer users wouldn’t be able to figure out. And then there’s the option of disabling the audio hardware. Permanently.
I’m the network administrator. I’m fighting the temptation to enter false DNS entries on the server for the public radio website…
The only problem is then he will ask me why it doesn’t work and ask me to fix it.
You could tell him that the company is blocking it…like Firefox? Or maybe you should just go with Nebs’ idea of disabling the physical audio equipment. Then order parts. From Australia. Via China. And India.
Steve, you should just tell him that steaming anything is not allowed because it takes up too much bandwidth and disable that website for him!
I could…but then I would have to hate myself….and stop watching YouTube videos on my lunch!
No, see, lunch is okay because people aren’t using the computers for work then. Or, um, is IT on during lunch?
You’re very sorry, but you have a large work load right now and can’t fix his problem as it is not actually necessary for work and therefore a low priority…
Just change his hosts file — then you don’t have to touch the DNS server.
Just make sure you get a trial here in Charlottesville. Most of us would consider it extenuating circumstances, I’m sure.
Definitely justifiable homicide…for almost ANY talk show, IMO.
buy him ear phones… stat! it’s WAY cheaper than bail.
He could put on Air America…. OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHH snap!!
Air America is no more. *has a sad*
Well, he could bring in An Inconvenient truth on audio book and listen to that….Or Obama’s books on audio…
I second the suggestion that you request that he use headphones because it’s “distracting”.
Tell IT to block streaming media, or just that URL. Piece of cake.
To a Republican politician “discussion” means “I get what I want regardless.”
To any politician “discussion” means “I get what I want regardless.”
There, I fixed it for you.
Go away, we don’t like you..
What “we”? You got a mouse in your pocket? Don’t speak for ME.
Ivan it’s for your own good, I know better than yourself on how you feel or what you want… ooohhh I must be a Democratic Politician..
But I know whom he should be allowed to marry or when he can procreate or prayer his (future) kids should say in school …oooohh, I must be a Republican Politician.
*gags* OKay, I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. :b
Blah blah blah…..
Don’t mabs. *shudder* It doesn’t look good on you. *readies a sponge bath for mabs*
What? Oh, sorry, I had to go outside to hug a tree so I would feel better. All good now, except I think my tree needs water…and I know what you’re thinking and don’t you dare! I live across from a park…with children in it!
ya know… i know a few people who have had “relations” in public parks. or on elementary school play grounds…… *whistles innocently*
The beach at night is nice, though it’s definitely a Douglass Adams situation. Don’t forget to bring a towel (a big one) to lie on….Or so I’m told….
yeah, that’s one i wouldn’t do… issues with all sorts of fecal particles in the sand. just ew.
Thanks. You’ve now ruined the beach for me. *sulks*
I would have figured that the sand particles in the sand would have been sufficient? Sand, the anti-lube!
Well, that’s what the towel is for. Or one of those sleeping bags that unzips into a giant blanket, those work nicely.
I’ve a long history of having trouble with towels…and lots of mobility with sex. So…maybe not?
Particle man, particle man
Doing the things a particle can
What’s he like? It’s not important
Particle man
Triangle man. Triangle man.
Triangle man hates Particle man.
They have a fight, Triangle wins.
Triangle man.
I did it on a golf course once.
Which hole?
The 69th.
I hope it was par!
Well, considering we were 16.. I guess it was all right.
I thought there were only 3 holes.
Rando there’s more… you have nostrils, ears…pores…. oh sorry I was thinking of cgray’s size penis…..
Most public I’ve been is on a mountain top. OK, two mountain tops!
I.. sheesh. I did it on a mountain top once. It was a full moon. Right out in the open. Next to the car.
Did it behind a Denny’s once. On my car.
No Denny’s for me. Haven’t tried in or on a car…but we went into that a few weeks ago!
Daytime for me on the mountaintop. Only time I’ve been on a mountaintop at night, the mosquitos were fierce!
You need those candles that chase off mosquitos, then you have romantic lighting too.
*takes notes*
I also threw up on a Denny’s once. Different Denny’s though.
Well, I wouldn’t think you’d want to do that somewhere you’d thrown up….
So WAIT you need mosquito candles at Denny’s?
Have you ever been to a Denny’s ILPB?
DU, yes… I should have said Fly traps vice mosquito candles…
Hell, just bring one of those electric bug zappers. Or don’t eat at Denny’s.
Uh. Did it in the apartment complex’s laundry room once. And the same apartment complex’s swimming pool. And another swimming pool once. Never at a Denny’s though. I’ve eaten at Denny’s.
Well, a lot of the discussion was among Democrats over the size of the bribes- I mean earmarks- for senetors in Nebraska and Louisiana. Besides, with the bill stuck in limbo and Obama distancing himself from the outcome, I wouldn’t call this a loss for Republicans.
You get one warning. After that it’s troll season and I make you ‘splode. M’kay?
The Feast of the Presentation of Jesus at the Temple celebrates an early episode in the life of Jesus, and falls on or around 2 February. In the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church, the Presentation is the fourth Joyful Mystery of the Rosary. In the Eastern Orthodox Church, it is one of the twelve Great Feasts, and is sometimes called Hypapante (lit., ‘Meeting’ in Greek). Other traditional names include Candlemas, the Feast of the Purification of the Virgin, and the Meeting of the Lord. In many Western liturgical churches, Vespers (or Compline) on the Feast of the Presentation marks the end of the Epiphany season. In the Church of England, the Presentation of Christ in the Temple is a Principal Feast celebrated either on 2 February or on the Sunday between 28 January and 3 February.
uuuuuum, what?
ordinal post rule only works when some fvcktard calls out “first!” or some other such nonsense. this just makes you look like a fvcktard.
It’s religious who cares…
Miles is a Douchenarian.
Religious spam troll????
Well, it is the second of February…I guess that sort of explains it…maybe?
Fvck you, it’s Groundhog Day!!
Fvck you, it’s Groundhog Day!!
No it’s not it’s Mythbusters!
It’s Mythbusters on Groundhog Day!
Ah, but has Mythbusters proven whether or not Groundhogs day is a myth?
I think they should, and then blow the groundhog into a million pieces.
No! You can’t kill Puxatwany! He’s awesome!
*Jams an n in between the u and the x*
Yeah, if you do that, PETA will sh*t a brick.. They’re already wanting to replace him with CyberGroundhog.
Bah! You don’t need mythbusters to tell you that CyberGroundHog can’t predict the weather. They should blow that thing up!
You know, I’d be more tolerant about captions that do nothing more than flame the GOP if they stopped putting them on the front page.
At the very least, stop relegating pro-GOP captions to the back pages. Fair’s fair.
Congrats on missing the point entirely. It’s NOT funny. It’s not about being pro or anti anyone. We want something funny! Flame wars we can start on our own.
Oh, it isn’t? Then how come anti-GOP captions make it to the front all the time? Don’t get me wrong; I want the return of truly funny captions just as much as the next guy. All I’m saying is that if they’re going to insist on putting anti-GOP captions on the front page, in the name of fairness they’ll have to put anti-Democrat ones on the front page, too. I’d rather not see any anti-anyone captions, but if that’s what they insist on….they’ll have to represent the views of everyone.
As a private entity they have to do no such thing. You can lodge a complaint or abstain from supporting their site by leaving.
I do vote. And yes, I realize that as a private entity they don’t have to post things they disagree with, but am I the only one who thinks a little bit of balance is a good thing?
Whatevs: Dude really who cares if it’s pro or anti anything… I get pissy that the funny ones aren’t up there. I’m not always the funniest man out there but I think my LOLs tend to be middle of the road, get some favorites however I’ve yet to be front page material.
I have ‘talked’ to the admins more than once about this and have been told that the voting and posting is completely automatic. Hence our belief that this particular poster must be socking himself for his many front pages.
Also, as has been said before, regardless of how it works, it’s THEIR site. If they wanted to do NOTHING but pro-dem, they can.
Most people just want funny. Which this is not.
Perhaps it needs to be renamed “EWAdams Corner” instead of Pundit Kitchen ?
Perhaps I need to write a follow-up to my letter? Which is [link'd] and aching for your signature, everyone.
Hey, that place exists! *click*
i like you a lot right now.
*Remembers not to eat shortright’s brains once a zombie.*
something to remember if you plan on sticking around… any eating of the shortright has to be cleared with ivan first. the same goes with max and janie. and with charro and bitter troll.
*makes notes* but everyone is allowed this cake I keep hearing of?
*sigh* Yes, because I have despaired of getting them to stop long enough to build my thermonuclear orbital missile platform. I don’t know how this yellowcake eating started….
Cake? *perks up*
the cake is a lie. the boobs are not. mull that one over and get back to me!
Boobs? *perks up*
I keep reading this as *boobs perk up* and thinking to myself, “ewww Ivan’s boobs are perked up”
Oh, see, you’re obviously misinterpreting your misinterpretation. It’s Shorties boobs Ivan is perking up,
That idea is chock full of win. I’m starting to like you, Andy.
Honestly I think that although this is a touch preachy and not very LOLworthy it *does* hit on a good point.
The GOPtards will never, ever be satisfied with anything less than allowing people to die in the streets, raped of their money by greedy corporations and stripped of all dignity as they rot from preventable diseases they can no longer afford to treat… But at least they can get SHOT by some NRAtard with a GUN! Hey, what a cheerful GOP America!
STFU and go home you fvcking dumb a$$ TROLL!!!
See that? *points down* That, under your foot. It is ILPB’s LAST nerve.
Again, even though I agree with you whole-heartedly, this trollish nastyness is unwelcome here.
Agreed. We don’t need liberatards making us good liberals look like douche bags. While I agree with him in principle, he totally lacks tact. Or any resemblance to a human being. His disgusting rants on ROFLrazzi prove that.
Hey…I can play this game.
The Demotards will never be satisfied with anything less than making all people get the same crappy healthcare, raped of their money by the greedy government and stripped of all dignity as they rot from preventable diseases they get from living in the slums the government provides/requires them to live in…..On the bright side, Mexico will look much more attractive after they get done ruining the country.
And you need to STFU too.
Sorry…forgot to put a “sarcasm” note in the comment for you. Party of tolorance? I think not.
No, she’s right. When you get on your high horse, you’re just as trollish as any given conservatroll or liberatroll. Past posts lead me to believe that you weren’t actually being sarcastic.
“When you get on your high horse, you’re just as trollish as any given conservatroll or liberatroll”
I can agree with that statement. I can get passionate at times in my right wing leaning ways; however, I dont believe all I wrote above 100% and yes I was being sarcastic. I know the democrats do not want to make everyone poor. That would go counter to the democratic leadership getting rich off of the peoples backs
) as for healthcare, it definately can use some fixing.
On a separate note, why did the priminister of Newfoundland come down to the US to get his heart surgery done?
Two trolls don’t make a right. Or something. *wanders off in search of yummy yellowcake*
What qualifies as “Troll”? Having a different opinion than you?
STFU. And your little dog, too.
Blow me you liberal puke.
Well, it is Oral Day, Ivan…
I don’t think Ivan is in to dogs.
Ivan is into kittehs. *giggles and runs after Shortright* LEMMIE KISS YOUR KITTY!!
*holds up black and white 7lb cat*
here’s raelin… you asked for her.
Oh…sh!t….
Ooo. Hit a nerve, did I?
That made me laugh.
Nope. I was just rushed for time and did not have enough time for a proper response so I went the “2 year old” route. I must admit it was much easier and more satifying than trying to think up a witty response.
I think the only person who has hit a nerve was Rando one day…and maybe VNV..where has he been lately? Out trying to conquer the world?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but hasn’t the Democratic backing for the bill tapered off after Brown was elected? I’m pretty sure, if any side lost, the Dem’s lost on this one. Chalk up another one for a stagnant 2 party system!
It was the peoples fault. If they had voted correctly and given the Dems a 20 or 30 seat advantage it would have passed.
ummmm…correction…30 or 40 seat advantage…they had a 20 seat advantage….hangs his head in shame. Gonna go work on my 1,2,3s for a bit.
No no no no… it’s the people’s fault for portesting against something they didn’t want the government to do, you know excercising that old addage of Freedom of Speech. If we would just lay down and accept our Government’s deciscions for us, we’d be much smarter people.
I agree with Hapiface; its the dem’s fault. I would add that regardless of whether you agreed with the legislation or not, we all lost on this one.
QUIET!!! ALL OF YOU!! STOP KILLING ALL THE FUNNEH WE WORKED SO HARD TO CREATE DESPITE THE LOLAME!!
I think we are due another opposite day. I will start……… I think we should take all the greedy corporate CEO’s money and give it to all of the minimum wage earners at fast food restaurants. Obama is the man. If those idiots, Rush and Sean Hanity and OReily would just STFU and give him a chance the economy would bounce back and we would live in a much more peaceful, earth friendly world.
Does this mean that EWAdams will be funny?
Never.
No matter what.
Ever.
This sounds fun. Okay, trickle down economics is a brilliant idea because everyone knows that the rich are the noble and good people of this country and will make sure to put much of their money back into the economy so everyone can benefit. The rich are so giving, and the poor are so ungrateful. If they worked harder at being born rich or lucking out into a good situation, they’d be rich too. Then they could help save the world like the other rich people.
That actually hurt to type.
LOL…very nice Rando…I appreciate the effort and pain you had to have gone through to type that lol.
I think my spleen exploded while writing that. I don’t even know why.
My brain was repulsed and my eyes bled. I can’t even imagine what it was like for you.
Thankfully, it was only sarcasm! Whew! I was going to start looking around for the pods…
*stares dreamily off into space*
Reagan is my hero…Reagan is my hero…get the shotgun and kill me…Reagan is my hero…
I’m going to try the stun gun to see if we can recover Rando. *PAZAATT* Rando? What about the public option, Rando?
*grabs mabs stun gun*
No he’s right Mabs….
*jerks the gun out of her hand and turns in it on the group*
The only way for the banks and the corporations to save the world is to give them free reign on our economic and our political systems. To let them begin to sponsor candidates…
*his voice grows robotic and monotone*
To bring to fruition the culmination of the master plan…
We shall rule….. We shall rule…..
The money is right…the money is right…*snaps out of it* Please, I only have a second. You have to kill me. You don’t know what they have planned. It’s horrible! Please! Kill me now!! Agh, ugh…Reagan is my hero…Reagan is my hero…
Come Rando, we must convince them of their shortcomings, we must not compromise, we must win at all costs or the country we love will suddenly, inexplicably turn to dust and we’ll all be left holding our d*cks… or vag… whichever you might have.
*brain short circuits because he used sexual terms in normal conversation*
Evil sexual thoughts!!! URGH!
*smoke pours out his ears*
*hands Max and Rando some of the Green koolaid*
This should get things back to normal… just not too much boys we don’t want you going ‘socialist’ on us.
I honestly wouldn’t mind Canada going all Socialist on us…
Or any country for that matter…
Thanks for saving them, GB. Every time I try to get some work done, the boys get into trouble. *sigh*
Mmmm…kool aid is tasty…I suddenly have the urge to say “eh” a lot and drink Molson. WHAT WAS IN THAT KOOL-AID?!
Ooooooooh. Let’s give them some Screech, and see what happens, GB.
Molson is good for you in the winter Rando, it’s like antifreeze for your blood stream.
Sounds good, eh.
Oh c’mon, Canadians dont say “eh” that much, ya hoser!
I think it depends on what part of Canada they’re from; I met a lady who literally used ‘eh’ as the ending punctuation for every sentence.
For all we know, in that province Eh might be how they pronounce “period”. None of us went to Canadian school after all
Then apparently ‘period,’ ‘question mark’ and ‘exclamation point’ are all synonymous in Canuck land.
Greenbeard, can we get a ruling? Anything from the Newfoundland Judge?
Actually the “eh” thing tends to be an affectation from southern Ontario. You may also notice it from time to time in the maritime provinces, and some parts of the New England region.
Unfortunately since southern Ontario tends to have a high level of trade with some of the more densely populated states, the “eh” thing has over time become commonly associated with Canadian speech patterns. In reality regional accents and dialects are quite diverse in Canada.
I suppose it could be worse, at least you don’t think we all sound like Newfies… or Jean Chretien…
Oh and I would say the “eh” when used is a verbal replacement of all forms of written punctuation. Comma, period, exclamation mark, question mark… I’ve even heard it used as what I can only assume to be parentheses.
See? That’s why you’re a troll. You can’t play well with others. Quit trying to ruin everyone’s fun. Geez. It’s like having a fricking two-year-old again.
Ahhh…I have been posting for over 6 months now. I just have been too busy to comment. I do read the comments everyday now. So take your butt hurt troll looking ass else where please.
As I said, like a two-year-old.
And I was being sincere about my comment to Rando as I truely know that it hurt just a little for him to write that given the arguments we have had in the past.
It hurt to write, but ranting is sooooo much fun.
I apologize if I misinterpreted your comment to Rando. But, as he himself pointed out, your posts tend to be very sarcastic, so it was a natural if misguided interpretation.
Semperfidd and I go back and forth like the witty banter between two rivals in a good (or bad) action movie.
Im not sure if most of my comments would fall under the “witty” category but thank you for the compliment lol.
Huh? No, I was talking about me.
You two play nice. Don’t make me suspend you from the pool.
Not as much as it hurt to read. We must both have cake. (Creature replenished my supply.)
*floats by and snatches up cake*
*disappears with cake into the aether for another few hours, or maybe a day…*
Dude, VG just made you a zombie. Go find some yummy brains.
*dons titanium helmet to protect own brains and runs away*
*gives back cake to Mabsba* Sorry.
*noms Mabsba’s brains instead*
*Pulls out flamethrower*
Andy, we do not nom our PK friends…
*Glowers menacingly*
well… unless they ask for it… it is oral day after all…
I see, oral day *makes more notes*
Wow.
A brain job.
Wow.
Now you’ll think of that the next time someone says they like their significant other for their mind.
*has a sad*
But she wasn’t on the list, Shortright only said I have to ask to eat Shortright, Janie, or Charro. I hear Mabsba has brains to spare *gives best zombie puppy face and bats eyelashes*
Well… Zombie Apocalypse used to live off troll brains… Not as satisfying apparently… smaller portions… but there is usually enough you can have 2 or 3 if you are really hungry.
check, trolls not Mabs
*tucks copy of ‘How to Serve Man’ away discreetly*
Um…anybody seen BT lately?
Just sayin’.
*pats Andy on the zombie-head*
We do appreciate a guy-zombie who likes us for our minds!
*re-enforces her tempered-steel helmet*
*hugs VG inappropriately*
I love you for your braaains
*hugs Andy back* We also appreciate our inappropriate hugs!
EXCUSE ME! I was using that brain. *takes brain to kitchen to wash off* Geez, some people. You leave to get some work done and they’re snatching your cake and your brain…. *mutter mutter*
Dude… you do realize that trickle down economics doesn’t work. Corporations are greedy and don’t provide jobs to the people. The Rich and corporations will gladly let all of the poor people (except those that work for them) starve to death in the streets from preventable diseases and AIDS……..
NO! It’s not true! Companies love us! They’d never hurt the little people just to make a quick buck!
But don’t worry if done right the Mighty Generous Intelligent Gubberment will save us from those ebil corporations……..
That is at least more likely than corporate entities showing any interest in people beyond what the corporation can extract from them (labour and/or money).
Considering that the ebil goberman wants to extract money from me, leaving me destitute, I’ll take my chances with the ebil corporation. At least it’s in their best interests to keep me busy and off my ass to get labor out of me, and they pay me for it. Also, they can’t come into my house using force and take what they feel is theirs (i.e. taxes).
Neither act in our interests. Companies can effectively destroy entire towns just by moving operations overseas or closing factories to save money. The government has programs and legislation that is INTENDED to help us, but seems to be a bit ineffective. The thing is, we KNOW that the ebil executives will screw us all before so much as passing on their bonuses. When the government fvcks up, we elect new people in (who also fvck up).
To summarize, we’re all screwed.
I thought your New Years resolution was to be more positive?
Absolutely hilarious how the truth hurts and brings the psychos out of the woodwork ^_^
Sofa King Wee Todd Did.
You are Sofa King stupid.
Yep! Just like if I say Obama wasn’t born in the US and shouldn’t of made it in the presidency!
The “Truth hurt” will bring out the psychos that say “YEAH HE WUZZ!!!”
Lies will bring out more “psychos” to set the record straight… if the healthcare bill was biparisan and debated, and accepted by all… why must the dems have 60 seats to force it through???
Seems like all Reps don’t like it, and quite a few Dems don’t either (Some required brib…er “Special attention” such as a “Exempt on new taxes” clause and flat-out payouts to get them to sign it (and no promise they will allow it to pass at the end)
Why not start over, have the entire bill online, and updated whenever an ear-mark is added, or amendment… and have a note on WHO added the ear-mark/alteration. That way We the People can see what is in the bill. No closed door meetings. No select groups to review…
I would agree with scrapping the entire current bill and starting over. I doubt it could be done in a way to make everyone happy, but it could be done in a far more efficient and effective way. The current bill sounds like it’s too bloated, does very little, but who knows what’s actually in it? I want some real health care reform, not a half-assed square-peg-in-a-round-hole plan.
Punk’s not dead?
The bill was very bi partisan…
And just to let you and the senate republicans know… “Bi-partisan” does not mean: the other side gives into every whim and fancy you have.
It doesn’t? *pouts like the minority*
**hits mabs upside head with wet noodle** Nuff said.
Yes it does! The Democrats didn’t do it the way the Republicans wanted so it’s not bipartisan! Compromise? Pfft. For sissies.
Max: Really what considerations were taken that the Republicans asked for? Bi-partisan means that both parties have consessions in it, the only consessions going on were between the Dems. You know bribing (I calls it as I sees it) certain Blue Dog Dems to sign up to it.
Why do you think the bill went from just under 700 pages before the Senate… and then to over 1900 after the first week of delegations?
Many of the things included in the bill were asked for the Repubs and they got it. Proof of citizenship for healthcare? All you have to do is prove you have a job with your SSN.
There are others, many many other stipulations that were added at the behest of the Right.
The problem is the majority of the bill was created by the dems, therefore until it is a mostly a “Republican bill” the repubs will whine that there was no bi-partisan ship.
*facepalm*
Because at we all know… the only ships in DC…. sail partisan…
*sighs*
**face palm**
Max everything was to get the Blue Dog Dems on board. The Bill didn’t take into consideration lawsuit reform, mal-practice insurance, cut down on the public option, mandatory insurance….
It would be like Max if I said you have to have French Toast at IHOP, even though you’d prefer Chocolate Chip Pancakes. No matter how much whip cream or chocolate chips we put in the French Toast, it STILL ain’t the Pancakes you wanted. So why would you want to go to IHOP with me?
IHOP stands for I Hate Old People.
Yeah… remember when I said bi-partisanship isn’t you don’t get everything you want? Yeeeeah… point proven.
Pfft. If the Democrats REALLY wanted to be bipartisan, they just would’ve let the Republicans get their way. That’s what the Republicans always do when they have power.
Yeah gee look at how well Privatized Social Security is doing……..
Serious answer to part of this – The Constitution only requires that your parents both be US Citizens (by birth or naturalisation) at the time of your birth. It does not require that you be born in the USA, or, indeed, that you not be “born” by C-section.
Damn, you mean I’m not a Mexican?
You are in my book, charro. You are in my book.
paws actually I believe it’s only one parent and/or your physically born in the US.
Yeah, physically being born here trumps parentage.
Ok, it’s easier than I thought, but the basic point that you don’t have to be physically born in the USA to be legally able to run for President still stands, yes.
True.. remember I ain’t a birther….. I think there are bigger fish to fry right now…
Lost what? They haven’t passed this piece of crap yet and it looks like they won’t thank God.
Nobody cares what you think.
Nobody.
Ever.
EVER.
We can thank the fact that people have woken up and see the Progressive movement for what it is.
And what is it, conservatroll?
Does it mark anyone else as strange that a political party would be against something called Progressive? Since the root word is progress?
Conservatives hate new things. Little known fact: the first tea parties were actually thrown in the 80′s to protest New Coke.
New… coke? As in protesting crack? Or the soft drink?
The soft drink. You don’t remember New Coke?
I do. It was horrible. It tasted like flat Pepsi
I read that that was pretty much what they were aiming for. They wanted it to taste like Pepsi, who was kicking Coke’s ass at the time.
*confused* WHAT progressive movement? Neither Congress nor Obama has done anything progressive.
Pretty sure it’s the third longest debate, 1st = Civil rights Bill 2nd = decision to enter WWI
But the length of the debate is not the point… The length of time given to read the largest bill in US history is the problem. 2000 pages of BS is what was being crammed down our throughts before anyone had a chance to read it.
Though I have no idea why I am wasting my time posting this…. It will likely be followed by some comment about sex or video games….
I fear for our country…
Poor, poor throughts.
*hands Danbala a throught lawsenj*
There ya go!
You know what I like? Having sex while playing video games. I mean, how much win is that? Seriously.
Awesome, Rando.
Just simply awesome.
*offers Rando the other controller*
C’mon man…look downstairs.
The game is heating up good.
Sounds good…just don’t try to have sex with me.
What do you think the controller’s for…
The problem with the bill is not health care or reform, the problem is the government take-over of everything. If this monstrocity passes, our country as we know it will fade.
Yeah, ‘cos it was doing real good to begin with.
Yeah, and deregulation was just so good for the economy… /sarcasm
b/c over regulation REALLY helped too…. /sarcasm
I’d rather see over regulation than under regulation. Deregulation=free pass to screw people over.
Over regulation = sending job overseas……
Not when you regulate that they can’t do that. A perfect case of Regulation, fixing regulation.
Da Comrad, da…..
By fade do you mean that we will be bogged down in multiple wars with overwhelming national debt to other nations such that we can’t make the necessary repairs to our failing economy and health care system.
*warms up his Xbox to play Date Rape Jamboree*
Oh! That sounds like-wait, what?
*date rapes DU*
hey, that was fun!
That’s a terrible thing to do to a sweet, pitted fruit.
DU is a sweet, pitted fruit? I’m confused.
Perhaps on the planet Dhydar/DRH is from.. there’s a pitted fruit called Default User, that grows from a purple tree, under the beautiful, beautiful Marigold sky!
im a liberal but this makes no sense
Maybe this one was created in early Jan, when it looked like Obamacare would pass? Could be an issue w/editorial delays on this site…
“Kill the bill!”
-The rally cry from protesters of the “Obamacare”
There is nothing to kill because it is dead. Long live the Tea Parties, 9-12, Glenn Beck, and Fox News.
Please tell me you’re joking because if this is serious, it’s very very sad.
Methinks he’s drunk on the Kool-aid.
Methinks he’s off his meds.
I’m with you. I hope that bill is as dead as they come.
I’m from England, lost track of the whole thing and can’t be bothered to search through over 500 comments to check to see if the answer is there. What happened? Last I heard, the health care system was going to stay the same. Is it now going to be like our NHS (but hopefully better), where medical fees are paid by taxes so they’re free when you need them?
No. Not ever. NHS is SOCIALIST!!!!!!!!!11111!!1
actually Keithy, NHS is a socialistic thing. So the sarcastic nature of comment need not apply…. yeah a little too ironic, I really do think..
Just a question (to any conservatives still reading), and I don’t mean to sound antagonistic, I’m truly curious as to the answer since we don’t seem to have the same opposition to the concept up here; What is it that is wrong with a little bit of socialism?
It’s true socialism has it’s flaws, but so does capitalism. It’s simply not functional for either to be absolute, no nation has ever, or could ever run that way. However it seems as if the objection to a little more socialism is that it is socialism, as if it were inherently some kind of evil. Capitalism and socialism are simply tools, neither inherently good or evil, the only moral question is in the application.
In my mind the pro-socialism arguement seems similar to, “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people” argument, which I agree with. Some socialism, applied to the correct parts of a nation’s economy, with the long term outcome in mind is often beneficial to the free market by driving a wedge, metaphorically speaking, between market areas that create negative feedback on cost.
As long as it’s properly executed that is, done improperly you get a bureaucratic nightmare. I won’t get in to the rats nest of whether or not the current administration, or any administration could actually manage to socialize an economic segment without doing more harm than good. I just don’t understand the inherent fear/hatred/anger about socialism its self.
B/C this country was founded on the simple principle of a Large Government is more apt to tread on the people’s rights. We believe the government is already too much into our lives, and do not want more. Also, Capitalism was founded on the principle of doing it yourself. Not EVERY opposed to NHS is a “Have” as some would like you to believe, however they don’t want the government to tell them what or what not to do with their insurance, and/or pay for someone else’s insurance.
Though it may be the “moral” thing to do to liberals, a conservative does not want to be forced to be charitable. Socialism is pretty much any form, is the Government controlling the people (above and beyond the laws standard laws in place). Once you give the government an inch, it will take a yard. Where does it stop? That’s the fear, control.
Also THERE is no way this government in any way shape or form can manage something as large as NHC.
My understanding is that Canada has the provinces manage it, each to their best effort. With some mixed results? But I’m looking at it from the outside. ILPB, how would you feel about state-managed health services?
Let each state choose what they want. You know how it is today. Like MAss has it’s own plan, but those who don’t want it can live in CT, Rhode Island, New Hampshire, Maine and still work in Mass.
Unless of course they can’t afford to move to another state. That’s my issue with the state-run idea. Some say “Don’t like it, move to another state.” That’s not always an option.
*insert obligatory “certainly not in this economy” statement here*
That, and there’s no way in hell my state could afford it right now.
Then why the fvck do I constantly get Marylanders in my NoVA?!?!?!?!?!
In our Constitution it leans heavily on State’s choice, and so it should be, not the federal government.
It’s a little more nuanced than that, but yes that’s essentially the case.
Healthcare is a federal mandate, but the specifics are within provincial jurisdiction with cost sharing between provincial and federal treasuries. Also, only basic care is single payer, my taxes don’t pay for nose jobs or private rooms or even prescription drugs. Most people still have employer or private insurance to cover everything the provincial insurance doesn’t.
Green Beard, so people who pay more in taxes get the same medical care as those who pay less. Seems kind of lopsided to me. I kinda like a Company that has a planned price for a certain amount of coverage. To me that’s equality.
The equality comes in that everyone has the same access to healthcare. If you feel opposed to that idea… then it sounds like you dislike the equality of opportunity.
So it’s equal that someone pays more, but gets the same care. So since you have more money you should pay $8.00 for a Big Mac, but poorer people should only have to pay $1.00 for the Big MAc. It’s equal opportunity for Big Macs for all.
Except it won’t kill you not to have a Bigmac (it may infact arguably save your life), it can easily kill you to not have health insurance.
Yeah I’m with DU that’s a terrible analogy… apples and oranges.
Those are much healthier than Big Macs, fo sho.
No apples and apples. You pay money for a service regardless of life or death. Why should someone pay more money for the same service? It’s a simple question that hasn’t really been answered. I hear rhetoric about it’s a morality, it’s to save lives, it’s a right (I can not find in the constitution on where Health Care is a right to all US Citizen).
O how about apples to apples 100% then. If someone has more money should they pay twice as much for water as someone who does not have as much money, or electricity (needed in the winter or people will freeze to death), or how about ALL food then (you die without food), or natural gas (if that’s how you heat your house and cook)? How about all of those public services (that are privatized) that people rely on to live? If you make more should you pay more for said services?
Yep.
Charro, why?
Water is a non replenishable resource… yes it needs to be metered, that’s apples and oranges again, same with the other privatized services (electrical power is a metered resource).
And I see your food argument and raise you Food Stamps, we already do provide free food for the poor.
Health Care isn’t replenishable (do you know how many palstics they use?!?!!)
I’ll see your Food Stamps and Raise you Free Clinics!!!
Well, in my mind, it all works on percentages. Let’s say for example, the tax for the Nationalised Health Care is 10%. It’s equal for everyone to pay 10% of their income and get the same benefits. Percentages = equality. Lower middle-class and people in poverty (in my mind) have the right to the same Health Care that rich people do. So if it’s based on a percentage, everyone pays the same percent and gets the same coverage . I personally don’t think it’s fair that poorer people have to acquiesce to a lower standard of care just because they are poor. Blah blah blah anecdotes.
I know conservatives hate this concept, but it shifts the burden more on the people who can afford it and lessens it on the people who can’t, without the inherent “discrimination” that you see when someone is poor and can’t afford care.
Contrary to the popular stereotype, I don’t believe in lazy, shiftless jobless “welfare queens”. I think everyone should pull their weight, even if that means they can only work at McDonald’s 15 hours a week (some people are disabled, have other conditions and can only do that). I do not, nor have I ever, or will ever, support people gaming the system. I personally am ok with paying 10% of my income and getting the same care as my neighbor who makes ~10k less than me (per year) paying 10% yet getting the same care. That, to me, is equal. We all contribute equally (by percentages) from what we have, and we all get equally from what is available.
I also support things like TORT reform – I hate hearing about people getting millions of dollars for some screw up. I’m all for reasonable accommodations.. But some sums people are awarded are ridiculous. I also support stringent regulations on Public Aid.. I don’t really have an example, but I do think people on “Welfare” should be more closely monitored to ensure that they are working towards being a productive member of society instead of a leech.
I’m sorry if this is long and rambly, I’m sure you’ll understand I am not at my best debating state of mind right now.
Charro: I see your point. % to you is equality. Do you believe in a flat tax?
I also see the concern on anecdotal, however I can see resentment streaming from the % is equal. I can personally say if I’m paying thousands more for my health care (which I’m not) and am not getting the “return on investment” I will be peaved. I can honestly say that I HATE paying more for less. It’s counter intuative to me. I don’t think that someone who theoritically could be paying up to a million dollars a year in Health Care would get the same care as someone paying one thousand. I can see where resentment comes into play.
The flat tax is discriminatory because there isn’t a flat rate for neccesities. Until we move to the idea that Big mac for rich people is $8.00 and for the poor its $1.00. That would make flat tax fair.
Lets say that in Nowhere, Statesfornia. The average cost of living is $20000 a year. Taking 10% from the guy who makes 35K is detrimental to his quality of life. Whereas the guy making 75K doesn’t feel the burn from having 10% taken away, he can still easily afford the average quality of life. That’s why a flat tax is just plain wrong. Standardize cost of living and you flat tax me, till then, let my neighbor who makes 250K a year benefit the most from the fire department, and the police department. He pays more into taxes, because he has more to lose if those services fail.
So, you’re saying that the rich should get better health care than the poor?
Hmmm.. Tough question. I like the idea of a flat tax, yes. But I can see how it can go awry.
I can see the resentment you are talking about, yes. But to me, well, it really doesn’t matter. If I make $10k per year, oh holy hell I can’t even figure out what 10% of that is.. oh it’s $1k. Ok, so I make $10k/year. $1k is A LOT when you are only making $10k/year. But if that means you get free HealthCare (meaning you already paid for it with your taxes), that’s a load off especially if you have kids. Now, if you make $10mil, $1mil is still a lot.. But let’s be real here. $9mil per year, hell let’s say you pay HALF that in income taxes you still end up with $4.5mil in your pocket. Can you really say that the guy with $4.5mil in his pocket is suffering a hardship like the guy who only has $9k in his pocket at the end of the year (I’m assuming $10k is below poverty and doesn’t have to pay income taxes)?
That’s how I look at it.
I know I know I know it makes rich people resentful. But as little as I know about economies, I know that the middle class is the backbone of any economy. If the middle class is not healthy, the upper class will suffer.
And I can tell you right now, anything not covered by public aid from my husband’s hospitalisation I will be trying to include in bankruptcy. If there were Nationalised Healthcare, that wouldn’t happen.
Uh, about the flat tax thing, I’ll admit to waffling on that.
I’d say that considering it’s been stated that the richest 1% pay 95% of the taxes, I would say a flat tax would screw over a lot more people than it’s helped.
Max why should the rich pay more in taxes than the poor (I am by no means rich, it just irritates me that people believe the rich’s money is not rightfully the person who’s rich.) If everyone is to be “equal” why not pay equal taxes? Or if we’re all to get the same service, then shouldn’t we pay equal? We won’t see eye to eye on this, b/c I simply believe the money people have they are entitled to keep most of it, regardless of poor or rich, while you believe the rich’s money should be invested in the poor forcibly. And to your, b/c he makes money if the fire department fails he has moor to loose, I beg to differ. He could be single without children, however the other guy who makes less could have children and loose a LOT more than posessions. Apples to apples my friend, apples to apples.
Rando: If you pay more, shouldn’t you get more? As said earlier why would someone pay more money for the same product that someone is paying less for. Does not compute in my brain.
That’s why I waffle, honey. It sounds like a good idea.. But.. Well I’m no good at math.
I think income taxes should stay more or less what they are now, based on brackets and cost of living etc. I don’t think tinkering with it will help.
Especially since I’m getting ~$400 back this year and thought I would owe.
PB – that’s why I look at it from a percentages point of view. I am paying 10% you are paying 10% everyone pays 10% and we all get the same thing. We contribute the same thing from what we have and we get the same thing back from what is available to everyone.
Ok Liberals hold onto your hats and what not. IF the Dems were to enact a Flat Tax, I would be more amiable to NHC, to a point. I still would hate my freedom of choice gone, HOWEVER I could see somewhat the percentage aspect. The Government would live within a somewhat known budget, AND it would somewhat be equal. The only stipulation would be that the Politicians would have to live on said Health Plan, AND it wouldn’t be run by the gubberment.
I’m all for making the politicians slum on the same Health Plans the peons have.
May I just add what absolute CRAP it is to say there are free clinics? My friends who work at Healthcare for the Homeless turn away SO many people who aren’t homeless who have nowhere to go (except an ER that can’t turn them away) because they can’t even take care of the homeless. Then everyone foots the incredible ER bills that could have been avoided. I have friends who lost everything and became homeless due to lack of healthcare.
I have an idea. SInce the Repubs think Reagan was so wonderful, let’s just return to his tax rates.
Alright ILPB, in the name of fairness. The rich now only have to pay the exact same dollar amount as the poor in taxes. Meaning that when their house is robbed they are only able to claim the exact net worth of the poorest person(who pays taxes) in the countries belongings. The rest the police just have to let be stolen. When a fire breaks out, you can only have them save an amount of your stuff equal to the maximum net worth of the poorest person (who pays taxes).
But then of course… if we did that.. the rich would scream and cry “That’s classism.”
Which is rather funny in my opinion.
Not when it comes to health care, ILPB. Everyone should be able to get the same health care. What you’re suggesting is that the rich should be able to get the best cancer treatments available, while the lower middle class should get nothing because they can’t afford it. Basing health care off of how much you can afford is cruel and sick. Of course, being a dirty socialist, I believe that the everyone should be able to have the basic needs of life regardless of their income, but the American Way suggests that if you can’t afford it, then you’re screwed. And if you’re lower middle class, and your tenuous grasp on that lower middle class falters, you get to join the so-called welfare queens. But that would take away people’s freedom to die, and that’s just unamerican!
Rando and Max and Mabs, I’ve been thinking about this a little. I’m kind of tired of the whole “guilt” arguement, so I have one of my own. It’s been said I wish people dead, b/c I don’t support NHC (by Max and I think agreed upon by Mabs), so I will see that “guilt” and raise you the same. You want your fellow country men to die horrible deaths at teh hand of terrorists. You don’t support “torture” or military methods of interogation, so thorugh your inaction of getting information you want Americans to die of terrorists attack. **Sits back and waits for the back talk, and the “But it’s different” or “Torture doesn’t it work it’s been proven by people”… etc….. )
I like torture.
ILPB, if it was proven that torture was a way of getting the information that you need, rather than of getting the victim to say something that they think you want to hear, and preferably (from their viewpoint), will require significant time to check out, then you might have a point about torture.
Paws: notice I quotated torture. B/c everybodies definition of torture is different. Sleep deprivation has been proven to work, dulls a person’s senses, opens them up to mistakes. But to some sleep deprivation is torture. To some people no lawyer present is torture (I say lawyer present IS torture… Diss I kid again).
ILPB your assertion is wrong, nowhere did I say the things you said, not only that, we have not made a statement about national security so your parallel doesn’t work.
We were merely taking your statements and asking for clarification. You jumped to a conclusion based upon a stereotype. Big difference.
*wanders in and tortures Charro for a bit before work*
Thank gods someone took care of that for me.
It’s certainly the way Microsoft sells its software. In some areas like health care yes, there is a net benefit. Greater access drives down individual cost, as well as collateral benefits from lower cost of employment, and less lost productivity due to illness and injury.
I didn’t say health care ILPB, just socialism its self seems to raise hackles, which is what seems odd to me.
I answered with socialism. If you read most of it, it was more than just NHC.
It’s control. Simple as that, majority of Americans DO NOT LIKE control from the government. That whole “Don’t Tread on Me” thing.
That makes a bit more sense. I suppose to me it just seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Yes, the government must always be held in suspicion and vigilance is necessary to keep to much individual liberty from being eliminated, but if they were able to craft a beneficial system it would seem to be in my personal interest to use it, irrespective of who’s playing the middle man (government or corporations) and my suspicion of corporations is equal to my suspicion of government.
It’s very simple, GB.
capitalism = good
everything else = bad
That’s the mindset you’re hearing.
Mabs: Really… I thought I was saying Big Government bad….. and that I trusted corporations more than the government. Never said Capitalism = good. Once aain if I had to choose I’d choose Corporations over government, I’d also choose a bullet to my head rather than drowning slowly in mud (neither I’d really want right now)…
Oh. *puts away mud pit and gun*
My question is why is it that we don’t have a influx from the socialist countries… it seems like we only get immigrants from the poor capitalistic countries…
Max: Cuba = Communist. Legally we actually have a lot of Europeans applying for green cards.
If American capitalism is so bad, why doesn’t Canada have such a high influx of Americans?
Because they won’t let us in. I’ve heard that Canada doesn’t want us there, and have tightened immigration laws. Yes, I actually looked into this during Bush’s administration.
Rando: Except for Vietnam, I’m pretty sure the Americans to Canada rate of defection is still slim, as compared to the amount of people rushing into the US.
It’s also a lot colder there.
Not to mention the people who aren’t benefiting from the capitalism are the ones who can’t afford to move to Canada.
We do have a net positive immigration rate, just not from the states. As Rando pointed out those least satisfied with the American system are often those least capable of immigrating.
We do have somewhat strict immigration policies, unfortunately re-socializing unskilled immigrants has a higher cost than their single generation benefit. We don’t see financial returns until generation 2 or 3 from most unskilled immigrants. There is always refugee status, but I think the US might not take kindly to us calling their ex-patriots refugees.
I never said anything about have “a lot”
I said an influx. If we’re so much better than the rest of the world… we should have disturbing amount of people trying to come in.
And yes, Cuba is communist, sorta (i’m not going into that right now), but Cuba is in dire straight because of the pressure we put on them.
“Why is America #1 in Cancer treatment, burn treatment, and pretty much top 5 in everything else? Capitialsim.” Capitalism = good, yes?
Capitalism do good things at times, yes. So does Gubberment, once in a while. But once again, choice of two evils. I’m pretty standard on that.
A lot of liberals do believe that as well. Conservative mind set is that corporation do need to be watched to a point, but it’s the consumer’s job to do that, not 100% the Government. Yes there are times the Government needs to step in, completely understandable, however liberals and conservatives differ on at which point.
Also I personally don’t like being forced to be charitable. That should be my choice to make.
It’s not about the government stepping in. The choice I see as this. I cannot afford to be my own insert service here. My choice is to hand control of this aspect of my life over to a corporation (which I do not trust) or my government (which I also do not trust). In some area’s the government choice is more in tune with my personal values, in others the market solution has a better outcome.
I understand the concept of “vote with your dollar”. I believe it is naive. It fails to account for a corporation too big to care if it loses a customer, or 100 customers, or 100,000 customers. If the profit it can extract from those with no alternatives exceeds the loss it will take from those who do they will gladly throw you and your ‘vote’ under a bus for a dollar.
Dang… I was enjoying that conversation… I think I got drowned out by the others…
I’m sure you appreciate our concerns on an intellectual level, but I’m not sure that any Canadian (or European) can understand the incredible depth to which this issue penetrates our lives. Can you understand that when Charro told us of her husband’s illness and death that, like you, our first thought was the grief we shared with her, but that our second thought was OMG does she have insurance, will she lose her home, HOW WILL SHE PAY FOR THIS? Can you understand that in the neonatal ward, our conversations with the other parents went from whether our tiny tiny babies would live to oh, FVCK, is this going to bankrupt us?
It’s not an intellectual and rational discussion for us. It can’t be.
PS I’m not saying I don’t appreciate and value your comments. Just trying to explain why we’re not quite so calm about it as you are.
Not at all Greenbeard, those are very very good points. I don’t see the rationale behind trusting corporations more than government. We can forcibly remove politicians, we can’t forcibly remove CEOs, they call that extortion, death threats, or in simpler terms felonies. The laws protect the corporations from us, but in the government’s case, the laws protect us from the government.
The days when big business worried about the people turning on them are over. Like Green Beard said, if my bank, insurance company, Wal-Mart screws me over, and I say “Oh yeah, well, act like that and I’ll take my business elsewhere,” they’re more than likely to say, “So?” Yeah, I can take my business elsewhere, but there are no repercussions for that company, and I still got screwed over. Why on earth should we trust corporations? I’d rather trust the government to make laws and regulations to protect me from that. When I get screwed over by a company, that’s the kind of thing the Republicans are advocating by keeping things the way they are. Giving corporations too much freedom is the freedom to screw us all.
@Mabs: I truly am sorry for those of you who suffer like that, and you’re right, I can’t imagine what it must be like, I really can’t. That’s why I’m asking, I just don’t understand the motivation for such a way of life.
Green Beard–It means I stay in a job that sucks because right now the gap in insurance between jobs would be really bad as I really need that insurance right now. It means my car payment is more than twice what it should be because my credit has been destroyed by medical bills. It means the capitalism+health care=lower middle class with no health care options at all. The poor have the option of Medicaid. The lower middle class very often can’t get insurance through work, or have such lousy insurance that they can’t afford to use it anyway. That’s who really gets screwed in the health care crisis. The people who are broke, but NOT BROKE ENOUGH to qualify for assistance.
I get that part Rando, I see the suffering. I have a child on the way. I know that if something were to go wrong (wow… there’s a heart-stopping thought), every possible measure will be taken, and I don’t have to worry about never being able to change jobs or get a promotion again (it’s not uncommon up here for employers to require a credit check to qualify for employment/promotions).
I don’t understand the objections to socialized basic care. I’ve done the math, the net profit for my employer over the higher proportional tax rate may not be much, but I’ve seen the numbers and it’s definitely there.
Debating over the degree of care provided seems rational. Opposing it entirely doesn’t make sense from where I sit.
Well, GB, to me the whole situation is incomprehensible. As others have pointed out, our middle class gets royally screwed, especially the lower middle class. Even upper middle class, high income but not actually rich, get screwed by our system in so many ways.
What’s ironic (and not in the sense of the other day
), is that we do make good money and do have good insurance (by American standards). Heck, we have vision and dental, which is phenomenal these days. But so many who work so hard have little or no coverage and if my husband lost his job tomorrow, the insurance goes with it and we join them. But even if we never had that risk, why can’t righties understand that we can actually CARE that someone else doesn’t have what we have? Hell, yes, raise my taxes if it means when my husband’s job funding is in jeopardy, we don’t have to worry about health insurance AS WELL AS how we’re paying to stay in our house.
Oh, dear. /rant rant rant
You see GB what it really comes down to is this… The Cold War.
There was this douchebag named McCarthy. McCarthy had a small penis and needed a scapegoat… Luckily, there were the reds (Communism). And thus began the Red Witch Hunts. Now, what happens when you have a ideology that’s very similar to communism but differing on very key points(socialism)? Why you do what America does best, you claim that it’s just the stepping stone to our dreaded enemy Communism. So now you have the mantra (a mantra that has somehow lasted for over 25 years ((btw did NO ONE take a sociology class in middle america in the past two decades?)) despite it being very flimsy and based solely on superstition and fear of an age past) that Communism will destroy America, and that Socialism is the dreaded gateway ideology… the marijuana, if you will, of political systems.
Now… why in the world this mantra has lasted so long since there’s still books with knowledge in them around is beyond me, but it’s happened…
All I have to say is that the 13 colonies got started because they were fleeing from persecution from the Church of England who at the time was using religious power to enforce it’s morals upon everyone and drive out those who were different.
The 13 colonies rebelled from the monarchy because they were being taxed without any say so in the due process of law. Well we’re independent of that. You pay taxes, you get to vote. It’s that simple.
You have yet to present a single reason for not wanting the public health care option that seems beneficial to anyone but yourself. If you don’t see how even a 10% increase in taxes in a net win across the board for health coverage, then I don’t know what else to say.
You don’t complain about us paying taxes to pay your wife’s salary, and we don’t complain about it. But once those taxes go towards helping someone other than you. You’re against it.
And the “when will it stop” argument is BS. Your beloved constitution clearly states: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Therefore once the populace belives the government has gone too far, you can do something about it. Or you can do something that doesn’t require violence, which is to be voted out. Everyone has the power to vote in who they want, if enough people think the government officials are doing bad jobs they will get voted out. Plain and simple. Even the right has been heralding this lovely piece of democracy with the Scott Brown mess.
Democracy works at the bottom line, but when it comes to governing, we know it’s flawed, everyone admits that. But to say that a corporation who has showed no interest in the common man since… well… since they got de-regulated would run a service used to prolong life, better than the government, then you need to re-evaluate your facts. So let me ask you to refute this one simple question:
Where is the logic in thinking the insurance companies who work for profit, will give you a better deal than the government who is looking just to cover expenses, not make a profit off you.
Max, ILPB, I love you both, but seriously…TL;DR.
I wholeheartedly agree ILPB, I mean… the minute the government starts making laws or something… then they might govern!
Max stop being a sarcastic a$$…. I said except for the standard laws. Just b/c you happened to not live in Europe and live in America where BIG Government isn’t wanted by the majority of the country (whole democracy thing).
I’m sorry ILPB, but since you were being saracastic everywhere else… I figured it was ok.
Of course, now I know… when you do it.. it’s ok. I can’t because I like different things than you.
Dude where was I being sarcastic? When the guy asked a question I answered it truthfully. I’m only sarcastic when people say trollish behavior or say something to just piss people off. I legitimately answered the question. I was actually being cordial.
I was being cordial as well. My sarcasm was meant to illuminate the fact that the government does and often will in fact instate new laws. Saying they can’t do otherwise would force this country into a stalemate… we’d wither away and die as the rest of the world moved on and left us behind. Just because the point I had was against your liking doesn’t mean I wasn’t trying to be cordial by using sarcasm.
I’ve done my best to start having rational and level headed discussions with the regulars here, because obviously, when you use sarcasm as I did above it seems to step on people’s toes. It’s not my intention and I’m sorry if offended you enough to think I was trying to cause harm. But the fact still stands, the country cannot just sit still and not make new laws… Times change, outlook and laws change with it.
I’m with you… laws need to evolve with time. However that does not always mean Big Government. I disagree with you mabs, rando, and quite a few individuals on here about government, however I’m pretty cordial about it, until I’m attacked for said beliefs. I always thought it was the liberal montra to be open minded, yet when I differ from your thoughts I get sarcasm and mocked…… I have my reasons for feeling how I do, they are not from bigotry, they are not from hate, they are not from ill will towards my fellow country mates, they are from my life and my morals. I don’t expect everyone to live by them, as I would hope you don’t want to force me to live by your morals.
Sorry I jumped on you, I just get tired of the whole If you’re a conservative you want to kill everyone who’s poor, kill illegals, trounce all human rights, etc…….
Soylent Green is people!
Can I get an order of Soylent Green with some Soylent red sauce and a side of Soylent Chartreuse?
“they are not from ill will towards my fellow country mates”
Then why are you so opposed to everyone being able to get affordable health care? Being against that is wishing ill will upon a number of people.
This issue can’t be about bootstraps and working harder. No matter how hard I work, my employer might not offer me health insurance, because the company doesn’t buy in.
No matter how hard I work, my chances remain the same that my appendix could burst, and after the repair surgery I lose my house because I can’t pay the hospital bills and the mortgage at the same time.
ILPB, you yourself are under the government healthcare plan and you’ve admitted to loving it. Why do you not want your fellow Americans to not have the same advantages of health care that you do? If it’s not wishing ill will towards your fellow man, whats the rationale behind it?
I’m honestly curious.
Max: I never have said the bootstraps montage…
See you’re missing the entire point. It’s not about the Health Care, it’s about the forcing me to be “charitable”. It should be MY choice to help out people, not the governments. Isn’t the forcing morality onto people?
I am under the Government health care system, b/c my wife works for the government. It is a benefit for working for a lower salary than you’re worth, it’s a benefit I have b/c I married her. (Actually she got the job after). Even before I knew she wanted to go Government, I believed in the way things were. I believed that people who work for the government have sacraficed for their fellow countrymen (ie not getting paid as much as they should, having salary caps on certain positions regardless of time in, etc)…..
It is not ill will on my fellow man if I do not want to pay for their insurance (as I need to pay for my won families, and grandmothers, and Medicare). It’s not ill will towards my fellow man (or woman) to not want to be forced into paying more for less services or forced into giving to charity…. it is not ill will to want the freedom to decide. It’s the freedom of choice that is taken from me that makes me so against this. I don’t like it when the Church tries it, I certainly don’t like it when elected corrupt politicians do it.
**steps off soap box**
I’ll make sure to tell those who can’t afford health care that freedom of choice is going to save them all. I’m sure they’ll be ecstatic.
Sorry Comrade Rando, but I live in free America, not Communistic/ Socialistic America…… when I get to heaven I’ll be sure to tell our fore fathers that “Fvck the Freedom y’all fought for” Big Government’s here to stay, b/c freedom risked too many lives, and became inconvenient.
Again, I’m sure all that freedom will keep them warm and cozy while they can’t afford that important procedure or transplant or whatever. I think it’s interesting that those who oppose universal health care have no REAL answer for helping those who need it besides the GINORMOUS copout of “there are charities.” And anyone who says “tort reform” gets stabbed in the eye with a ballpoint pen.
Do I need to separate you to? I will send you both to your rooms without any dinner if I have to!
I already had dinner.
*goes for ILPB’s throat*
My post got moderated… so I’ll have to try this again…
Alright! That’s it! No socialism for you for a week Rando!
My thoughts on government employees and healthcare is this. I work the same amount of hours a week as a government employee (and some busy weeks more) I get paid less than the lowest paid government employee, I pay more in premiums for my health care than a government employee, and I get less coverage than a government employee, so pardon me if my bleeding heart seals up over that. I guess Im a conservative about that kind of thing. (SAR-FREAKING-CASM) I could provide anecdotal evidence from my roommate who works for the IRS, but I digress because it’s just an anecdote.
What I don’t understand is how you think the government plan is getting less for more money.
If you want a real example of more for less, lets take a look at my insurance.
I’m paying for my insurance policy, but it’s a policy that’s built for a 5 person family. I’m paying for the 5 people when It’s just me, one dependent, on the policy.
Now, lets look at you paying for healthcare for people who need far more attention than you.
If you want a real example of paying for someone who uses it more than lets take a look at my plan.
I’m currently paying premiums that are averaged in with the losses from claims because Fatty McFatterton can’t stop eating Big Macs and had a heart attack and quadruple bypass surgery. Now because the company plan pools the cost of claims across the board, Me, the young health employee will now have a premium hike because someone else can’t take care of themselves or just don’t care to.
You see the rest of us are already paying more for less, and the bad news is, my insurance provider can do whatever the hell they want premium wise to ensure that they take in their “Projected 20% profit margin” (That is from their address to our company this past year. Yes they expect 20% profit over claim costs…. Ballsy eh?)
The government will not be running healthcare for profit, therefore, the losses are dampened because you’re not paying to keep profit margins up. The government is there just to pay for it. The insurance companies are there to pay for it, and then pay for themselves.
My point is, the rest of us are already paying more for less, so if you want things to be truly equal… well you know where this is going.
That’s just about what I wrote before… why I got moderated I’ll never know…
Max, don’t take this the wrong way, but I love you.
It’s ok Rando.. In my world there’s no wrong way to take “I love you”
*reach around*
Whoops… too far?
As long as it’s a socialist reach around, it’s okay.
*stops nomming Charro to watch the reach around*
*sighs* I was hoping you wouldn’t suggest that Rando… but since it is a socialist reach around…
*starts giving reach arounds to everyone*
You see!? There is one down side to socialism… my arm;s going to get tired….
*pops in* Hey, what’s going on? I brought beer!
I’ll pass on the beer, but I’m more than happy to accept a reach around….
*takes his time on the reach around for the ladies*
So tell me something you goddesses of the fairer sex… would you two be interested in… OH GOD NOT IN THE FACE!!!
*runs away from Mr. Mabs and his angry looking baseball bat*
*waves a naked Mrs. Mabs in front of Mr Mabs to distract him and give Max time to escape* And she has beer! Beer and naked Mabs! You don’t need to kill Max when you have naked Mabs and Beer!
DING DING DING!!! MODERATED! lol
just curious what “mabsba” pooped in
Silly Liberals, looking out for the little guy, the blue collar worker, yet you mess up the floor and don’t clean it up…… **wink wink**
Wicket, silly boy, ‘pops’ =/= ‘poops.’ I AM a lady. I don’t go around randomly pooping on things.
Maxie, I’d be more worried about the shotgun than the baseball bat.
Well well well, it seems that folk DID get into a bit of a ding-dong about this. You may see it as socialistic, and what do I know? I see it as pragmatism. The socialistic bit is that everybody gets the healthcare they need (possibly rather than the healthcare they want?), and everybody contributes what they can afford. The insurance aspect is in the sharing of risk. Since there’s no limit to the amount of money I would be happy with, I could get upset about the fact that I have not, so far, got back anything like the amount I’ve paid in tax towards health care. But it may happen one day. Like it or not, everyone has different health care needs, and it may be their fault or the fault of the genes they’ve inherited. But the problem with the NHS from a conservative viewpoint seems to be that you’re paying for people poorer than yourself. You don’t seem to mind paying enormous premiums and contributing to the wellbeing of Insurance company CEOs, nor do you mind that you could be paying all that money and never need to see a doctor. It just seems strange to me. And the top and bottom of it is that you spend on healthcare probably twice as much in tax and healthcare permiums as we do in tax. And yet you all seem to be worried that the cover you have is not going to be adequate, or that your insurance company will wriggle out of its obligations, or that you will be bankrupted by unexpected bills. If that is the price of freedom, then you can stick it.
Stick this!!! Seriously though, as I was told earlier, Apples to apples….
1. People pay for insurance and will get the SAME coverage as other people, whether they use it or not. The deductible will be the same, th coverage for the same surgeries will be the same, the amount of Drs visits will be the same, etc etc etc…. You KNOW what you’re paying for.
2. The Price of freedom is actually much higher. And I rarely ever say, “love it or leave it.” But I’m sorry the socialistic crowd needs to understand the country they live in. Understand the founding principles, understand the Constitution. We are one of the few countries to be born of democracy, not out of a Monarchy that turned into a “Democracy”. Europeans were used to “things” being provided to them by their government, even if it wasn’t enough. So naturally they would determine a Government that also provided more for the people. Our country was founded on the principle that the Government doesn’t always provide, that individual freedom trumps the “Greater Good”. It’s funny when you have so many freedoms, it’s easy to say, I’ll trade a little bit for that….. until one day you wake and say, “$hit where did my freedoms go?” Remember you traded them (and others) for the “Greater Good”.
I’m a tory, ILPB, and incidentally a republican. I love freedom as much as anyone else, and all I really want from the goverment is for them to fVck off and leave me alone. But the argument for the NHS was won a long time ago, and it was a utilitarian, not a political one. Freedom had nothing to do with it.
Do you whine about the amount of your tax that goes towards education? Doesn’t the greater good trump individual freedom in that case? I don’t think that there’s an argument for public education that doesn’t apply to public healthcare.
Furthermore I’d be interested to know what freedoms you think you have in the US that we don’t have in the UK, apart from the one about guns. Don’t make me bring up McCarthy or Prohibition.
Well, we need the guns to keep you people away from us. *eyes keithy suspiciously* Red Coat!
Charro it’s ok we whooped them twice…..
To keithy: For the most part here Education is on a State Level (with minimal federal funding). As I said to VG, let it be done on a State Level, not a federal level, as our Constitution entended it to be. And yes I do whine about the federal gubbermnet getting involved with State Schools. No Child Left Behind I was against from the get go (as was pretty much everyone else).
Simple I have the freedom to choose whether or not to be Charitable and give my money to help the needy. Our Muslim women have the right to divorce without having to go through Sharia courts. Freedom to drive on the right side of the street (my God how do you people do that), freedom to choose my Health Care….
You spend 17% of your GDP on health. We spend about 9%. I have the freedom to give that 8% difference to the needy (Not that I do, as there are many consumer goods I haven’t bought yet). As for state vs federal funding for education, well obviously it all comes out of your pocket whichever way round you are taxed. Muslims don’t have to use sharia courts, where the hell did you get that idea? And some of the roads where I live are so narrow you have to drive down the middle, but luckily cars here are equipped with functioning steering wheels.
Keith: You can’t measure Health Care of a small island nation population of approximately 61 million with the population of the US at 309 million in GDP. You also haven’t taken into account the inadequacies of our Government to implement Social programs correctly (tack on another 10% beaucratic fee). Between Income, FICA, and Medicare I’m taxed almost 40% of my paycheck, with Obama’s new plan that surely will go up. That 10% of my paycheck I now give to charity, will get eaten up, so the FOP, SPCA, local Soup Kitchen will have less donations this year.
Actually it’s completely different money Keith. I can go to my local School Board and voice complaints or issues, where as if funding came from Washington (and I didn’t live there) I couldn’t talk to those in charge of the funding.
Finally link to the Shaira gaining political control over Muslims in the UK. ***http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197478/Sharia-law-UK–How-Islam-dispensing-justice-side-British-courts.html***
I thought the Fiat used a rudder?
You will never get health care costs down, I guess, because you would be starting 60 years too late. And those insurance companies won’t want to give up all that lovely money they’re screwing out of you.
Sad, really. And sometimes I forget how much power is devolved over there to the individual states, and how much that seems to matter, especially when the rest of the world sees a homogenous entity.
Oh, and the Daily Mail is a crap lowbrow newspaper, forever getting its knickers in a twist about devilish foreigners (esp. muslims). It is not to be believed. But the relevant sentence is ‘However, a Muslim couple must still be divorced in the British courts for it to recognised under British law.’
And I don’t own a Fiat. I have a proper British car, a Ford. Made in Belgium, or Germany or somewhere.
See I don’t think the Insurance companies are screwing me out of too much money, at least any more so that the Government would/is.
I don’t think it’s sad, you don’t have to pitty us, we’re not below you b/c we believe in State’s Rights or don’t have NHC. Most of us like it that way (or else it wouldn’t be that way). I think that the reason things are so bad with Health Care here has to do with Malpractice, over medication, and abuse of the system not only by patients but some Doctors. Some regulation may be needed, but complete control by the Government, the same Government that couldn’t regulate Cash for Clunkers correctly, the same Government that pays $500k to design a toilet b/c a drunken sailor fell off the toilet and broke his arm……
Oh and we did the whole States Heavier rights b/c of your dumb a$$ Monarchy that tried to screw us over.
I think from what I have gathered from your commentary ILBP what you’re saying is you do not believe your government is capable of implementing a healthcare program correctly. I am not in a position to judge their competence, or at least not as well as you and many others around here. I understand that particular point, improperly executed a public healthcare system could be done very poorly, and the outcome could be disastrous. It seems to me this is the true heart of the debate, not whether it is a good idea but whether your fed is capable of doing it without causing more damage than good.
ILPB also doesn’t think the insurance companies are screwing him out of too much money, because he gets government health insurance.
Oh and sorry about the “kid” comment Max, for some reason I thought I had heard you say you were just out of college.
I think a large voluntary Health Insurance Exchange could solve a lot of the problems, without scaring the chicken little’s on the right-fringe into a horrific “government takeover” scenario.
That’s a good idea wicket, but I’m still sticking firm to the fact that health care should not be a business. I mean, there’s a reason we’re only people in the world who have a Health Care Industry… as opposed to the Health Care System.
Max FTW! That’s what my argument boils down to, only I wasted hundreds of words trying to pin it down!
One more thing:
To Max and and Rando:
Would you be willing to accept a minimum 20 years serivce to the National Guard or Reserves in order to have said Health Care? You want mandated Government, let’s do it all the way. If you want Helath Care from the Government, then you should in return owe the Government service. You force me to not choose to be “charitable” I will force you to not choose whthet you serve to defend this country.
Or better yet, you want the mantra “it’s her body, her right to choose.” Why can’t it be “it’s my money, my right to choose” how is that any less or more selfish? How is that different?
Whoa whoa whoa. Did you really have to bring up the abortion debate?
Hey I’m pro-choice, just pissed off about the whole “my body my choice” hypocrisy…. if a woman can do THAT as a choice, then I should be able to choose if I give money to help someone get Health Care……. “My wallet my choice.”
Apples and oranges PB. That’s a different ballgame.
Wait, did you really just compare a woman’s body to money?
He’s losing, he knows it, and he’s reaching. It’s best just to leave it be.
No I’m not losing. I’m pointing out the hypocrisies of the liberal thinking. How do we weigh personal freedoms?
I’m tired of this apples and oranges horse munkin… every analogy is apples to oranges unless it supports your way of thinking, it’s ridiculous. instead of actually addressing the issue I hear “apples and oranges”, so who really is losing here, those who skirt the question, or I who continues to answer it, yet you refuse to accept the answer b/c it’s not what you want to hear.
Ok here’s the rub.. You’re pointing out difference of thinking on different topics. You cant compare apples to oranges and maybe one day you’ll think out a response enough to realize you’re doing that.
Military service… Don’t be fooled. It’s a job, it’s a means of employment. Unless there’s a draft, it’s nothing more than a job that serves our country in one of the most selfless ways possible. The rest of us, pay taxes. That’s why it’s apples and oranges. Maybe when you actually make a fair comparison, you’ll stop hearing apples and oranges, until then, you continue to reach for some kind of hypocrisy on another unrelated issue. We’re talking about paying taxes to pay for health care, so you want everyone to do military service for you? Which one is more facist, you tell me.
That’s a horrible parallel, and the only reason you don’t like that we can see through it is because you have nothing else.
military service for it*
Wrong. I talk about many things that are equal to it. The problem is that y’all don’t see why conservatives don’t want NHC at this time. You simply think of it as “Conservatives are greedy and don’t want to pay.” You miss the entire point, hence to you it’s apples and oranges. Until you can open your mind, and truely understand (not agree) with the point conservatives are making you will be blind to any comparison. If you ask Dhotic or Jac, I’m pretty sure they could see the comparisons as legit.
If we don’t understand and/or accept your arguments, then maybe, just maybe, you’re not expressing them very well, and/or we don’t think they’re very good arguments. Nothing personal except about me; usually, if I don’t understand something, it’s because it’s not very well explained!
The NHS rocks. I’ve used both systems and I know what I’m talking about. Socialism is a superior way of providing health care to the nation, as opposed to only the rich folks, which is why every developed nation except for the USA has adopted it. Americans are afraid of words like “socialist” and can always be persuaded to vote against their own best interests by invoking them.
Then why is a Canadian big wig Politician coming to America for treatment? I believe the term is Check aaaaaaaaannnnnnndddddd Mate. Once again EWAdams has little to no brain……
Because he has the money to do so. And people from here go to India and Mexico because they don’t have money.
But if Socialistic Health Care was the end all to be all, why would he need to leave his Country? I never said what we have is perfect, but before people start pushing hardcore for a socialistic NHC, let’s start looking at why Socialistic Politicians are coming to our country for said health care.
Because just like other countries we specialize in specific medical areas. America has some of the best cancer treatment in the world.
Just like how Germany has some amazing work being done with organ transplants. It’s all about top quality and location.
Why is America #1 in Cancer treatment, burn treatment, and pretty much top 5 in everything else? Capitialsim. As soon as we take that advantage away from our companies, we loose the edge.
So, it’s ok to trade people’s lives just to be the “leader” in specialised care?
Really? So… show me where… with numbers and facts the correlation between our health care research and capatalism…
Last I checked… more than half of that medical research is sponsored by grants, which are given to medical teams by the government.
And I’m not talking pharmaceuticals, I’m talking actually research in developing new treatments not “this pill, that pill”.
Friggin’ ninja!
I could use some pharmaceuticals.
Doesn’t matter if we’re #1 in everything if you don’t have the money to pay for it. And please remember that a large amount of our health care research is funded by the ebil ebil govt or by non-profits such as the ACS.
And no one, especially GB, has ever said any of the things you are saying about THEIR healthcare system. From the people who actually live there and use it, I understand that it provides basic medical services and many choose to pay for supplemental insurance, much like our Medicare.
If greed is the only motivator for health care to get better, then someone get the god damned nukes and blow us all to hell now.
I’ve been waiting for someone to say that! *poises finger over red button*
Ready Kafka?
I don’t know who Kafka is, but…*straightens Starfleet uniform, points at view screen* engage.
*drums on the Timpani*
Ready Charro!
Wait! I haven’t gotten them out of the underground storage facility yet!
Greed? Do you have any idea how early doctors today start planning and investing to become doctors? I’m thinking no.
Hey, that’s what ILPB said. He said capitalism inspires health care advancements. I would’ve guessed it was a desire to help people, but no, apparently it’s just money.
Helping people? That’s trite, and med school admission committees know it. I want to help people, too, but I damn sure don’t want to see their guts while I’m helping them. Have you seen someone’s guts? Not a pretty picture, and I want to appropriately compensate someone who’s willing to dig through my sh!t to find my cancer and remove it.
You’re spinning off in a totally different direction. I don’t think that greed should motivate medical innovation. I didn’t say anything about how much my doctor is getting paid. Yes, that’s a totally different direction. If making money is the only reason that we have medical advances, then humanity pretty well sucks donkey nuts.
Too much to deal with the sacrifices of the individual? Nice.
It’s a combination of both Rando, they want to help people, but they want to make money too. I see nothing wrong with that, most doctors are worth it. I would like to see teachers get paid more too, but that’s an example of and institution that’s government run and look how teachers are underpaid. Not saying I have the solution to that either I just don’t want to see health care go the same way.
So then Med school should be free… however Law school should be like a trillion dollars (sorry Diss had to say it..
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We’ve discussed before that it’s not general physicians or family doctors who are making money in healthcare… The real money grabbers are the insurance companies, and the specialists. I’d say there’s a good reason why the insurance company require referrals to specialists in ord-
*stops mid sentence and eyes grow wide*
They’re scared of specialists…. That’s it!
That’s the answer! Everyone! We need to become specialists! Then the insurance companies will be so scared of us, they’ll give into whatever we want! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Poor sentence structure. Today’s pre-med students start planning, working, and investing to become doctors and assume the debt necessary to achieve that goal much earlier than you’d think. As in, junior high school. As in, by the time the actually become doctors, they’ve invested substantial volunteer time and even more money to finance their educations, in the hundreds of thousands of dollars range. When you were making a buck to pay for your dates by cashiering in high school, they were pumping out volunteer hours in a nursing home and/or hospital wiping butts and dumping urinals. Hell yes they deserve to be paid back in spades what they’ve invested and what they’re actually worth. It saddens me that people truly don’t recognize that it’s not an old school “you get in because you know the right peeps and were in the right sorority/fraternity” network anymore. To get into med school, you HAVE to earn it.
None of the people I know who are in med school were doing any of that in middle of high school, they had to work their asses in college to afford school, and work crap intern jobs while in med school, but they definitely didn’t start in junior high….
And I advise/have advised thousands of pre-med students who have. So you anecdotally know a few. Your point?
And how many of those you have advised didn’t do anything until they got into college? And to you have a cite for the number of med students who do/don’t start preparing before college?
None. They all were thinking about getting into med school. They are all idealistic, altruistic, and aware of the competitiveness of getting into medical school today. Those who weren’t, take a year off and reapply. Your spring break? Cabo. Theirs? Hearts In Motion. Guatemala. Or the like.
A cite? That’s amusing. See ANY medical school’s admission policies. Those who don’t do hours early, and often, work twice as hard to fulfill the pre-requisite shadowing/volunteer/research/arbitrary, obligatory-what-have-you hours required. Your naivete amuses me greatly.
But the real point that I think everyone is trying to make is that not a single person on this thread has said that doctors don’t deserve to be well paid. It’s insurance company CEOs making multi-million dollar bonuses that we object to.
We ARE talking about that. Alllow me to respond as you do. Every. Single. Student. I. Work. With. Is. Concerned. About. Being. Able. To. Repay. His/Her. Loans. And. Take. Care. Of. Their. Families. Under. This. Plan. So whatever you say, it IS about the individual doctor.
So, you don’t have a link I can look at with those requirements? Didn’t think so. I know of no one who knew what they wanted to be in middle school and didn’t change their mind by high school, them again by college. Let me be honest here. I think you’re full of sh!t, and I think your an ass. I find your flaunting your ambiguity like it’s some sort of shield when you insult people and claiming that you haven’t said what side your on makes it OK to be childish and immature and just plain ignorant. Good day sir.
@ISO: I for one personally have no problem with doctors being properly compensated for their efforts. They put in the the time, they deserve compensation. From what I know of American law (admittedly not much) I would say tort reform is long in coming to take some burden off doctors and give them a better chance to reap the rewards they have earned.
The ‘Greed’ we find so ugly is those who essentially are speculating on the lives of people. It’s akin to war profiteering in terms of moral depravity.
Also I for one would like to say Nurses and other medical support staff do not get enough remuneration for what they go through. Though they frequently have not put in the same number of years to get where they are, I find the fact that many institutions value them so little in terms of pay somewhat disturbing.
LOL! Your very attitude is why my advisees are concerned. Each school has individual requirements for admission. Look it up. Or don’t. I don’t care. Rest assured, if this attitude continues to prevail, the best and brightest will continue to flock to business school so they don’t have to worry about repaying the half a million + dollar debt they owe, and you’ll have a second rate surgeon leaving the cancer in your a@@. Don’t like the truth? Too damn bad. That’s the truth.
NO WE AREN’T. No one has suggested reducing payments to doctors. Anything discussing pay to care providers has been about taking the money from the admins of health insurance companies and giving that to providers. You somehow have decided that we think doctors should not be paid well when no one has said that.
Never been said. Ever. At all. No generalizations that docs are overpaid on this site… ever. lol
So, in your infinite knowledge of all things medical school related, you don’t have a single link on hand to a medical school admissions policy sight? Because nothing I’m finding is corroborating what you’ve been saying.
If you can find me a link to the troll that said that doctors are over paid, then I will cede they are indeed horribly and heartily wrong. Otherwise you are trolling in an attempt to derail a serious debate.
Please feel free to find any of the four of us say that… Look for it, and make damn sure that it’s not a sarcastic statement.
If you can present any quote with the lol you found it in, posted by one of the four of us, I will gladly back off and admit defeat, until then, you’re arguing with the wrong people man.
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General admission policies for every school in the United States. Pre-Med student bible. However, it doesn’t directly address the subjective number of extracurricular hours sought. That’s on each website, or as I said, arbitrarily assigned by school per annum.
But you can’t link me to a specific site that tells me of a specific school’s requirements for extra curricular hours, specifically hours volunteered before college, because nothing I can find on my own has said anything about that.
Default User, if you’re so wise in you instant google search, and question my “infinite wisdom,” feel free to take my job. Obviously, you’re smarter and better at it than me. Go to it.
So…no link to prove the middle schoolers are working to become doctors? No link to prove that anyone here has said a word against doctors either. You are full of hot air.
What part of “subjective” and “arbitrary” do you not grasp? These kids KNOW they are seeking entrance to a competitive profession, and start planning accordingly. I’m working with 9th graders, and I’m an advisor at a major university. That’s. How. It. Is. Can you understand it when I type it that way?
I’m not at work, but here’s what I have in my home archives that I send to pre-collegiate students with whom I work:
High School Preparation
If you’ve already browsed through any of our information-fact sheets on specific medical careers, you’ve probably noticed that the time to start preparing for a healthcare career is when you are in high school.
If you are even remotely considering a healthcare career of any kind, challenge yourself by taking the most difficult courses you can succeed in. Take as many math, science, and English courses as possible; four years of each is a good idea. Work hard to get the best grades that you can, and if you find you are having trouble, seek out help. Don’t be embarrassed to ask for a tutor or attend summer school.
By your junior year, you should have a pretty good idea if you plan on continuing your education at a two or four year college. If you want to work in health care, it’s a good idea to continue. Many medical jobs require more than a high school diploma.
You also might want to consider volunteering at a local hospital, clinic, or health department. You’ll get paid in experience not dollars. Volunteer medical work will give you the opportunity to see early on if you are really interested in a healthcare career.
If you are considering going to medical school, you might want to visit these sites: the high school sections from the list of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) from the misc.education.medical newsgroup and the Association of American Medical Colleges’ (AAMC) High School Student Guide.
Something else that might interest high school students who are sure they want to go to medical school is that over thirty universities offer combined undergraduate and medical degree programs. That’s right; you can apply for admission to a medical school as a high school senior. Competition is stiff, and only the most highly qualified students are accepted. The AAMC can provide current information about these programs.
So, you are saying it isn’t actually required? Just helpful to have it on your resume. You can’t show one iota of proof that it is required? Not one? Also, putting. a. period. after. every. word. doesn’t. make. your. point. come across. any. clearer. It just makes your post annoying to read.
Where did I EVER say they HAD to. I said they DID. And medical schools weigh that kind of committment rather heavily. Duh.
Ok, so all you have is that they might want to volunteer and they should take AP classes? Really? Most people I know took any AP class they could in high school without knowing what they wanted to do in college. It most certainly didn’t detract from their social time and many of them still managed straight A’s. You seem to be giving the impression that if you aren’t working your ass off from middles school in a nursing home you won’t make it in the medical field. All you’ve been able to show me is that pre-high school, striving to do your best in school is all that is really needed and most people intelligent enough to be doctors are going to be doing that regardless of whether or not they have any interest in becoming doctors. Yeah, they have to work their asses off in college, but that doesn’t mean they have to start when they’re 10 and doesn’t mean they have to lose their social life from that age onwards.
As I said, if you think you’re better at it than I am, and you know the ins and outs of what medical schools are seeking re: admissions policy, feel free to take my job. Until then, I stand by my track record, and am repulsed that I’m the troll because HEY! I want to destigmatize the “greedy medical profession” stereotype to ensure the most capable become doctors. I’m SOOO bad for wanting to do so. And the insinuation that “we’d NEVER call doctors greedy, just the MEDICAL PROFESSION” is total crap. In this thread, specialists were called greedy. ENTs are specialists. Neonatologists are specialtis. Oncologists are specialists. OB/GYNs are specialists. Pediatricians are specialists. All greedy, because they focused on a specific area of medicine? Or do we worship the Pediatric Oncologist who saves our beautiful daughter’s life by catching the lymphoma early? Hypocrital assessment.
Whoa whoa whoa… wait a minute… you took a statement of “We’ve discussed before that it’s not general physicians or family doctors who are making money in healthcare… The real money grabbers are the insurance companies, and the specialists.” and turned it into:
“Specialists are greedy, doctor’s get paid too much because they’re part of the greedy medical profession”
So, not only did you not realize that this was a set up to a farcical joke, but you inferred something that wasn’t even there?
And while doing so ignored the very first half of the sentence confirming what you’ve been rambling on and on about that general physicians aren’t being paid enough? Yet at the same time condeming us for some kind of worship of specialists while at the same time calling them greedy…. You’re now becoming a self paradox and I am vacating the premises of you because the cloister bell is ringing and you’re about to blink yourself out of existence.
You realize that everything you’ve done started because of mistake of reading sentence structure?
Oh and as I said above, that whole sentence was a lead in to a joke… so once again: Lighten up Francis!
And this part? Where specialists are painted as money-grubbing schemers, (and, incidentally, most of my students become specialists ALTRUISTICALLY), didn’t happen? And really, it’s THEIR perceptions of what YOU ALL think of them, and not mine? Do you really think they DON’T know that people are currently saying about people who specialize?
. I’d say there’s a good reason why the insurance company require referrals to specialists in ord-
*stops mid sentence and eyes grow wide*
They’re scared of specialists…. That’s it!
That’s the answer! Everyone! We need to become specialists! Then the insurance companies will be so scared of us, they’ll give into whatever we want! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Yeah… you know that joke I was talking about the past 3 posts? The one with the lead in…. That part was the joke…
Max, to a 21-year-old facing $1,000 worth of medical school applications, $5,000+ worth of airline tickets to get to interviews, and $100,000 — 500,000 worth of student loans to become JUST AN MD right now, while already mired in $100,000 of undergraduate debt, your generalization re: their “greed” isn’t a joke. It’s an agonizing reality check. It pisses me off no end that the brightest ones, with the best skills, are stereotyped as “greedy bastards” before they even get the chance to be debt-free. It’s like calling all lawyers who want to make a decent living doing what they do BEST sharks and bottom feeders, and making bottom of the ocean jokes.
Yeah… you’re right, that reality isn’t a joke… you know what was? The Joke I made… it really was a joke, I’m sorry your fury and rage over a superficial generalization won’t change that fact. So go ahead care troll… care more than us. I will, however, continue to have fun making jokes.
The evil laughter did seem to imply it was a joke.
And again, we. aren’t. talking. about. that.
Of course not. Your sacrifices matter. Theirs? Not so much.
NO ONE BESIDES YOU HAS MENTIONED DOCTORS’ SALARIES OR SACRIFICES. No one! At all! No one has disparaged doctors in any way, shape or form.
Never. Ever. On this site. Doctors are GOD. Please.
ISO, I don’t know who sh*t in your cheerios, but you’re just throwing accusations around and it’s pissing us all off.
If you want to be an ass, go ahead, but at least be an ass to someone who obviously disagrees with you.
So far you’ve had Myself, Mabs, Rando, And DU tell you that none of us, believe doctors deserve a financial castration, and I’m not even sure what you’re trying to prove about would-be doctors planning in grade school for the mountains of student loans they’ll incur during their education.
No one’s arguing that doctors don’t study, or that med school isn’t cheap. No one’s arguing that doctor’s are making off like bandits at our expense. No one is saying that Doctors are purely motivated by money. No one is saying that tort reform is a bad thing. And most importantly the only thing we agree on is that you’re being a complete ass over an argument that’s all in your freakin head man!
LIGHTEN UP FRANCIS!
*cheers for Max* Well said.
Although my grammar has suffered tonight, I’m very very very on point… Don’t ask me why…
Who sh!t in my cheerios? Well, here it is. Spending the WHOLE day, EVERY day lately, trying to reassure the best and the brightest that HELL YEAH you’re going to medical school, and HELL YEAH you can pay back that MOUNTAIN of bills that are waiting for you at the end. And HELL YEAH you’ll make what you deserve at the end of the day. HELL YEAH missing out on the fun and money you could make in college is worth it. HELL NO you’re not stereotyped as a greedy bastard because this is the path you’re seeking, and you’ve worked the past 5-10 years to get there, and you have a nearly perfect GPA, amazing MCAT scores, have busted your ass volunteering, and maximized every free second of your life available to get where you are…. but hey! You get to hear how you’re part of the PROBLEM and not the SOLUTION because the medical system is so FU(KED up and you want to join it! Don’t worry! You’ll get there, you’ll make a difference, and I have faith that this will happen and so should you! Fu(k my cheerios. You don’t have to lie to them, to make sure YOU’LL all get the best, I do. I DON’T have fu(king politics. I have pre-health science students, and I see their faces, I know their stories, and I feel their sacrifices. NOW I’m done, and the sanctimony? At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter. You’ll have a doctor. But will it be a good one? I care.
I never once said that doctors are motivated by greed. In fact, I said I hoped they aren’t because THAT would really suck the joy out of the world. Health care shouldn’t be about money. Doctors should be paid well. Absolutely. Our lives so often are in their hands. ILPB said making money (well, he said capitalism, same thing) was the reason our health care here is supposedly so great. I thought that was a rather shallow thing to say.
Okay. I think someone might need to go to bed right about now. Someone is a wee bit cranky.
You need to put up or shut up. Find a single place where any one of us (the ones you are currently attacking) has said ANYTHING at all negative about doctors. ANYTHING. But you can’t. Because I know the people whom you are bashing right now and know that they all support increasing payments to doctors, especially non-specialists, and other providers, like nurses, whom we do NOT believe to be part of the problem. Everything we want would make their lives better.
Really? Prove it, and I’ll reassure my students with your “facts” and tell them that specializing, in say, oncology, is TEH EEEEBIL.
I’m done wasting time on this troll. His off-topic rant is irrelevant. If he wants to spew more of his anger by attacking those who support his position then I have even more sympathy for the future medical professionals he advises. They’d be better off with his kind opposing them.
I advise Canadian students, too.
That’s a shame, they deserve better than your ranting implies you are capable of.
ISO, I’m trying not to be demeaning and cynical here, but you’re making it very hard to not make fun of you.
Yes… becoming a doctor is hell.
Yes… Medical school is expensive.
Yes… Doctor’s are more afraid of malpractice insurance than they are of death.
Yes… Doctor’s deserve to have a salary that allows them to overcome the crippling financial effects of a full medical training.
Yes… Specialists make a boatload of money, but they also took many extra years of schooling to reach a point to be called a specialist. They’re the upper echelon of doctors, we need specialists just as much as we need general doctors.
No… Doctors are usually never in it for the money.
Yes… Smore’s are the best thing since sliced bread, and probably even before that.
Now…. this is what Greenbeard, Rando, DU, and Mabs and I have been saying this whole time… do you see something wrong with what we’re all admitting?
You bashed specialists earlier.
“The real money grabbers are the insurance companies, and the specialists.”
And it’s “doctors.”
I have nothing more to day.
Oh boy, canuck. Because I’m SOOO discouraging students from entering the medical profession, and RANTING that they should SOOO STAY AWAY!!! Fine. If I can’t get pissed off and blow off steam away from them in a public political forum, where people do it EVERY DAY, without being told “they’d be better off if I opposed them,” OKAY!!!. I’ll start encouraging them to go to business instead of medicine. No problem.
Money grabbers is being used to show that they are the expensive end of healthcare. Specialists cost a lot… insurance costs a lot… they are money grabbers.
That’s not bashing, that’s stating a fact.
In your own words “Don’t like the truth? Too damn bad. That’s the truth.”
Now… had I said “Specialists are greedy bastards who take in way more money than they’re worth.”
That would be bashing Specialists.
You had nothing from the start. Good day.
I had nothing from the start? Your own WORDS denigrate the Neurosurgeon specialist who’d deign to save your life from an invasive tumor: how dare he! He’s going to charge you because he’s a MUAHAHAHAHAHHA specialist in cahoots to fu(k you over with the insurance companies!!! Do you really think the very “kids” interested in the medical profession don’t hear, and internalize, these statements? And why should they be subjected to such generalizing nonsense?
Oh ok… guys… I get it..
*claps*
Nay… sir…
*standing ovation*
You got us ISO…
Care troll does indeed care more than we do folks..
Oh and by the way… if you’re truly being serious here, feel free to f*ck off any other time you make any sort of jest. I made a joke. You know… a joke? Those things you’ve been making until you decided to become super care troll here.
If a neurosurgeon who digs in someone’s brain without killing them doesn’t have thick enough skin to take a joke like the one I made, then I pray for the person on the table when he cracks.
If you are being serious, then allow me to say… again:
“Please feel free to find any of the four of us say that… Look for it, and make damn sure that it’s not a sarcastic statement.”
Yes… you had nothing from the start.
And who the f*ck actually makes a judgment about someone and then extends it to a number of other people, based off a joke.
So once again…. Care troll cares more than we do.
ISO cut the poor kid some slack. It was a joke. Perhaps somewhat poor taste, but it was not intended as a slam against medical professionals. I have worked hard to get better educational support and debt relief for those in medical training programs, doctor, specialist or otherwise added to Green Party of Canada platform (it’s not much of a horse, but it’s mine). It is in my opinion the only way to solve the “waiting-list” issue that has affected some provinces in Canada. Your implications that we do not support doctors came from left field, and is completely off base. I do pity those you advise, since as an advocate you seem to spend more time attacking those who would try to help them than making a case for them.
I do have one correction Greenbeard: not a kid
I’ve gone through the college wringer that ISO is complaining about and have been fully fledged in the humdrum lifestyle that is paying bills, loans, and trying to live each day. I’m well aware of the sacrifices and hardships that doctors face, and as such I know that none of those hardships and sacrifices would discourage someone who is truly going to be a great medical professional of any type. Least of all a joke.
Not to mention ISO here has done nothing but crack wise (since he’s yet to state his beliefs before now, he’s just been joking around here)
So for him to attack us over something as silly as a joke no more in poor taste than some of his (Considering my joke didn’t get moderated). If he wants to attack hypocrites then he need only look in a mirror.
I’m in moderation for saying “sh!t.” Interesting.
DING DING DING! We have a winner folks!
Another alarm goes off as just a few lols back you admitted to posting some racial jokes that got moderated out.
Nice try troll. Maybe next time, you’ll actually succeed?
I never posted racial jokes. I linked to three websites. Here’s my moderated post, sans “sh!tty.”
Max? Really? I’m sick of being your whipping post because you don’t know my politics. And your doctor joke? Tell me that’s really not a joke, and I won’t spend the next couple of days playing “linky-dinky.” That’s craptastic.
Green beard… really? Based on what? One sh!tty day, one thread of being pissed off and saying, “enough is enough! I’m sick of losing students to the uncertainty of the economy and their personal fears I’m unable to allay because I’m honest and really DON’T know what’s happening in medicine?” you feel you can judge my years as an advisor? Well crap me a snickers…. you’re SO right! I’m atrocious at it! NONE of my advisees have EVER gotten into medical school and had successful, productive, fulfilling lives. Seeing as I suck so badly, why don’t YOU take my job then and epitomize perfection in advising, so I can live vicarously through your success… oh please favor me, and my eager charges, with your pearls of wisdom! Enjoy the super sh!tty wages, the total lack of respect from the research faculty, and the unbelievably draconian budget cuts currently decimating my university and slashing our academic programs in favor of whatever ethereal PROGRAM needing federal funding. GAHHH!
Well, for starters, you made a racially insensitive joke and then linked to a picture of said joke using the “I didn’t make it, I just saw it” defense. Of course you now deny you even made the joke to begin with…
What was the joke? Tell everyone, me, and the admins. Please.
Uh, I’m not going to tell you that it wasn’t a joke… Because it was a joke. You want it not to be, you need it not to be so that you can look like the courageous hero of all those oppressed doctors.
Well too bad. It was a joke.
Doctors work hard and the general physicians don’t get paid enough to put up with the bullsh*t they deal with. Specialists get paid a lot because they put a lot of work into getting to where they are now. They also get paid a lot for having a much broader knowledge on their specialization. I think Doctors are getting screwed hard by health insurance companies and malpractice insurance.
And once again… what started all this… yeah, a joke.
You want to flip your sh*t? Do it on someone who actually thinks opposite you.
My shift’s over I’m going home, so you can of course come back with some kind of lame defense about how you’re the protector of the child-doctors… I’m not arguing anything on that fact. I’m arguing that I made a joke, you took it seriously and made an ass out of yourself…
Doctors are good people and I like them… and it was a joke..
And just remember, your beef was with MY statement, not what anyone else was saying. You could have left everyone else out of it and you and I could have discussed this, but you drug them all in with you.
So I’m sorry you feel like a whipping post. Maybe next time you want to do something stupid, you’ll remember this little moment in history.
My shift is over, I’m done with you.
Good night everyone else, have pleasant dreams.
I’d love to discuss this only with you. Did me, myself, and I intervene? NO. Others did. Why are you blaming me for that? Am I to blame for everything, then?
And good night to you, as well.
C’mon, DU. I want to know that the joke was. I’m really intrigued as to what you misr”remember.” Please PLEASE post it, or an editied version of it. I really want to know. I’m so looking forward to resolving this “racist” thing.
Loosing the Edge would compel Bono to destroy the universe.
You must of made this comment when you were still light hearted. You know, before you got belligerent.
*snorts* Thanks wicket.. we now know that right after 9:29pm site time, that ISO’s meds suddenly wore off…
So there’s a medication that can give you a sense of humor? There is hope for EWAdams! We just have to make sure he takes them regularly!
I’m pretty sure EWAdams would be opposed to any medication that will take away his preachiness and I’m not volunteering to restrain and give him the suppository form either…
Broccoli causes gasseous emissions. As is evidenced by your ability to fart in tune with everyone else posting.
And ISO reverts to his true troll form. After being exposed as an oversensitive care troll, a hypocrite, and as is obvious, a petty sore loser. Go ahead try and attack us (really low blow with Charro btw, good form for a troll), we’ll continue to joke about you and continue to have fun!
Why do you say that? She told me all about how I was being insensitive for cracking wise about someone needing meds. I don’t see anything wrong with even-handedness in others, and merely asked for her to say here what she said to me as an educational tool. What’s wrong with that?
Hey, we’re not the one’s flipping our personalities around 180 degrees in the matter of minutes. That’s scary behavior and is usually a warning sign, I think Charro would agree. And Charro, if we offended you as well with this joking, then I apologize to you… not to ISO.
Now if you’d like to just admit that you took (for some reason) a joke a true to word doctrine of beliefs, that’s your problem. You should have read a bit harder or thought a bit longer before you went off on your tirade.
Flipping my personality? Where? Who did I abuse? Or threaten? All I did is rant about the unfairness to my students after you asked me who sh!t in my cheerios. And the joke thing? As I said, I got my ass handed to me because someone didn’t recognize I was joking. Now I’m getting it handed to me again for not KNOWING someone was joking. Double standard, and totally wrong.
At least you can’t claim that we didn’t give you a chance to state your claim. Problem is you’ve stated it over and over. sometimes different state claims, sometimes the same one over and over. Either way, you have a voice and that’s the point of freedom of speech. However, i can’t say you helped your side out, and i also can’t say what side you’re on. Either way, you’ve complained about how unfair it is here for about 6 hours on this particular post. Your voice is just as loud as mine, and if you’d stop being a douche about it, you’d have some supporters here on this thread.
Didn’t give me a chance… ROFL!! Are you coming to my house to tie my hands? Seriously? Stop helping. Thanks.
You are an antagonist. Obvious to me, but just letting readers know thats what i’m dealing with.
Because I’m the only person to ever get pissed off and rant here, I must be mentally ill and unmedicated. Interesting.
Oh, Charro? Do you have anything to say about this, as you shared with me a couple of weeks ago? I’d appreciate your intervention on behalf of the truly mentally ill. Thanks!
No you’re the only person to heavily advocate humor as mode of expression, and have suddenly turned a violent 180 in about 60 seconds flat. That’s why we think you’re mentally ill and unmedicated.
I also can’t speak for Charro but I can speak for myself when I say that I’m horrified that you’d be so low as to bring up something like that, just because you made yourself look like an asshat for over an hour.
I’m not entirely certain but I’m sure Charro’s intervention would involve the words f*ck and off. Aimed largely at you.
That a sh*tty thing to say and it makes you look like a sh*tty person.
ISO, you have to find your niche. PK posters are numerous in their views, but mostly they don’t like bullsh1t. steer away from the bull stuff and you’d probably find that a lot of people here agree with you.
Oh, you’re correct, I should never make fun of people on medications. It was terrible of me. I’ll go apologize to everyone on psychiatric medications *Pulls out mirror and looks at self* Dear me, I’m sorry if I offended you, I didn’t mean to insult you, just ISO. *Looks back at self in mirror* No worries, I thought it was amusing.
No, I got my ass handed to me for not clearly defining my sarcasm a week or so ago, I got pissed off at an obviously provocative post tonight, and I got double-standarded. That’s cute. I’m sure you’re all amused and enjoyed it.
Bring up something like what? And why are you horrified? Do you want me to link to where she educated me on not making assumptions about mental illness? Again, double standard.
I started my conversation with one simple post. “Greed? Do you have any idea how early doctors today start planning and investing to become doctors? I’m thinking no.” Oh yeah, SOOO confrontational, trollish, provocative!! I’m VIOLENT! lol!
thats the bull stuff i was talking about. who needs it? but your ego. not being mean, but i’ve been in your situation before…you got to have that last word, even though the whole point of the argument has gone childish, one wants to “win” the argument. by this point, there is no winner.
Since when is pointing out a double-standard bullsh!t? That’s clearly what this is, and Max knows it.
Listen you flipped your sh*t over a joke. A joke which expressed none of my own personal views. You then applied those views to everyone else who was commenting the thread. Get over it. You f*cked up and made yourself look bad.
There’s no need to troll now. You’re only losing reputation from here…
So seriously, just give it up, we’re not the ones you need to be fighting with on this.
ISO i’m trying to be the devil’s advocate on your side of the debate but you are making it difficult every time you speak.
Where did I flip my sh!t and on whom? You’re revising history. The only thing I got pissed off about was “who sh!t in my cheerios” and I never said anything negative about any person, denigrated them, or threatened them.
You have no real issue, except trying to keep an argument going.
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.
i like your analogy to the Spanish inquisition. Good stuff. so you feel that you’ve been unfairly persecuted because of your beliefs here on PK. Let me tell you that you’ve been treated with the same respect one would treat a mother or father that disagrees. Your problem is that you aren’t happy with agreement, you are out for blood. Entertaining as it is, kind of lame when it comes to grown up talk. you’ve failed grown ups. I come from a family of surgeons and military, and a mixture of the two. Please STFU and stop making all of us look like douchebags intent on winning a childish argument for no reason except selfish pride.
By what definition of #1? Development of new techniques and treatments I’d probably give you. Life expectancy for sufferers of a condition I’m dubious about at best.
America’s Health Care issues do not apply to those that can afford it. Do you get penalized for a premature check-mate?
Yup.
HE SAID SOCIALIST!@!!!! AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! where is the nearest voting both?
“best interests” What is people’s best interests? Who sets those? Liberals? Politicians? Or maybe the people themselves. THAT is why Democrats will lose heavily in Congress in November, that’s why more of this country now associates itself with being moderate to conservative, b/c PEOPLE want to choose what’s in their best interest, not have it dictated to them.
Rep. Joe Wilson had it best: “You lie!”
Herp derp.
Outstanding as always, E.W.! IrishGirl
Dude, EW actually has a fan?
It’s his mom; she has to be his fan.
No; I have it on good authority (wink wink) that EWAdams’ mom was…otherwise engaged when this was posted.
Ewww. I hope by that you mean you were killing her for spawning such an abomination….
it’s one of EWs socks… in voting IrishGirl has equally whiny “lols” with the same atrocious yellow lettering.
this is sacrilege!
Well that health care bill never got passed if I remember correctly and is looking pretty dim. That’s what I call a win and this caption makes no sense.
No one lost but those who have to fork over more money to pay for the thing. Especially when those doing the forking can afford their own healthcare in the first place. Never mind the “transparency” and “posted for review” promises that have AGAIN been forgotten and conveniently ignored when it suited those who made the promises in the first place.
Jeez, another one. Not even funny. You’ll never sell t-shirts this way…
This is more so an uneducated rant (are you 14?) than an actual macro. It’s not even funny.
Reporting in for partisan rage. *ahem* BLARGLARGL!!!
Over 700 comments! You guys really don’t disappoint!
*bows*
But the first person to call for an “encore” dies!
Encore!
*runs away laughing maniacally*
I’m already dead! Mwahahahaha
**hires Frankestein to resurrect Andy** Ok Max he’s all yours.
He’s a zombie, ILPB. Nothing that Frankenschtien can do for him.
*waves tasty troll brain at Andy* There isn’t much of it I’ll get some more.
Humor fail.
Where’s the lulz?
“Caption by: EWAdams”
There are no lulz here…
Yeah, this isn’t even a joke at all, its just a preach. Boo!
Dumb caption. The idiot who wrote it should walk in front of a speeding train. Please… don’t reproduce. There are enough stupid people in the world without you too.
Would you like to join the I hate EWAdams anti-fan club? Act now and you’ll receive this free club with a rusty nail sticking out of it specifically for beating EWAdams. We also have cookies!
No debate is long enough when the bill has less than 50% of popular support.
No debate is long enough when a bill *that* big, *that* far-reaching has less than 50% of popular support.
The actual bill in front of congress @ the moment was put up on on Thursday, and is 2700 pages. They will vote on Sunday, 72 hours to debate the bill. That isn’t even enough time to read it!
“Democracy is nothing more than mob rule. Where 51% of the people can vote away the rights of the other 49.” -Thomas Jefferson
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the constitution, nor prohibited to it by the states, are reserved to the the states respectively, or to the people.”-10th amendment
How STUPID are you Liberal/Progressives??? Debate is the exchange of ideas with discussion. NOT “We won the White house and Senate so do it OUR way or shut the f**k up”.
I have seen no legitimate debate out of any Liberal/Progressive. At least the Republican have tried.
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So you’re saying Shortty that it is possible for a female to be THAT DUMB?!?!? I’ll quote you on it.
That’s strange… Chlamydia doesn’t have any symptons in males…
I mean… uh…. so… I’ve heard…
I think EW adams is a former woman. The name is an anagram of ‘Was Dame’. What it is now is anybody’s guess.
of course. i’ve met many a female who i wanted to smash in the face with a 10lb sledgehammer. i’ve also met many men who elicited the same response… stupidity and ability to annoy know no gender barriers.
*shudders and tries not to think about that*
maybe it’s gonorrhea… i dunno. i know one of my guy friends got something from his cheating bastard boyfriend and he pissed fire for weeks and said the only thing worse was the q-tip test…
both chlamydia and gonorrhea can cause painful urination and discharge in men.
Rights are rights, so they are similar, sorry wicket. As I jsut said to Max, liberals refuse to see the conservative view, and instead take it personally that conservatives just love to see people suffer due to greed. It’s BS.
The military service comes simply from, if you serve 20 years in the Militray Service (reserves and national guard included) you get Government Health Insurance. It’s a perk given to you from the government for working for the government. That is the biggest point that slips off of you, Max, Mabs, Rando and those that “judge” me for having Government Insurance, MY WIFE EARNS IT, by working for the government. Would you expect a comapny to give Helath Insurance to non-employees (there Apple and apples, but I’m sure someone will say the government’s job is to provide non-eployees benefits, b/c the government isn’t a corporation and should be treated differently…. it’s horse $hit.) Y’all don’t want to see the forrest through the trees, refuse to argue the point, and instead ignore them. THAT is why America HAS about 0 confidence in the Democratic party right now. It’s the DO as we say, don’t argue, we’re in power you’re arguement is invalid.