Comments on: Second-longest debate in Senate history

By: garnier, whitening cream, unevenskin

garnier, whitening cream, unevenskin — Tue, 01 Nov 2011 18:38:07 +0000

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By: nanz

nanz — Sun, 28 Aug 2011 20:24:02 +0000

How STUPID are you Liberal/Progressives??? Debate is the exchange of ideas with discussion. NOT “We won the White house and Senate so do it OUR way or shut the f**k up”.

I have seen no legitimate debate out of any Liberal/Progressive. At least the Republican have tried.

By: RealReformist

RealReformist — Sun, 09 May 2010 16:36:19 +0000

“Democracy is nothing more than mob rule. Where 51% of the people can vote away the rights of the other 49.” -Thomas Jefferson

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the constitution, nor prohibited to it by the states, are reserved to the the states respectively, or to the people.”-10th amendment

By: Vodka86

Vodka86 — Sat, 20 Mar 2010 23:58:30 +0000

The actual bill in front of congress @ the moment was put up on on Thursday, and is 2700 pages. They will vote on Sunday, 72 hours to debate the bill. That isn’t even enough time to read it!

By: dizzyizzy

dizzyizzy — Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:59:59 +0000

What the hell would linking to drudge do? it’s a list of links to other sites.

By: Noodlemeister

Noodlemeister — Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:17:20 +0000

No debate is long enough when a bill *that* big, *that* far-reaching has less than 50% of popular support.

By: Noodlemeister

Noodlemeister — Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:16:38 +0000

No debate is long enough when the bill has less than 50% of popular support.

By: Default User

Default User — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:42:41 +0000

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By: Me2

Me2 — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:13:48 +0000

Dumb caption. The idiot who wrote it should walk in front of a speeding train. Please… don’t reproduce. There are enough stupid people in the world without you too.

By: Cor-Dem

Cor-Dem — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 05:17:07 +0000

Yeah, this isn’t even a joke at all, its just a preach. Boo!

By: paws4thot

paws4thot — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 13:48:03 +0000

If we don’t understand and/or accept your arguments, then maybe, just maybe, you’re not expressing them very well, and/or we don’t think they’re very good arguments. Nothing personal except about me; usually, if I don’t understand something, it’s because it’s not very well explained!

By: keithybabes

keithybabes — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 13:10:22 +0000

Max FTW! That’s what my argument boils down to, only I wasted hundreds of words trying to pin it down!

By: I Like Peanut Butter

I Like Peanut Butter — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:49:05 +0000

Rights are rights, so they are similar, sorry wicket. As I jsut said to Max, liberals refuse to see the conservative view, and instead take it personally that conservatives just love to see people suffer due to greed. It’s BS.

The military service comes simply from, if you serve 20 years in the Militray Service (reserves and national guard included) you get Government Health Insurance. It’s a perk given to you from the government for working for the government. That is the biggest point that slips off of you, Max, Mabs, Rando and those that “judge” me for having Government Insurance, MY WIFE EARNS IT, by working for the government. Would you expect a comapny to give Helath Insurance to non-employees (there Apple and apples, but I’m sure someone will say the government’s job is to provide non-eployees benefits, b/c the government isn’t a corporation and should be treated differently…. it’s horse $hit.) Y’all don’t want to see the forrest through the trees, refuse to argue the point, and instead ignore them. THAT is why America HAS about 0 confidence in the Democratic party right now. It’s the DO as we say, don’t argue, we’re in power you’re arguement is invalid.

By: I Like Peanut Butter

I Like Peanut Butter — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:43:28 +0000

Wrong. I talk about many things that are equal to it. The problem is that y’all don’t see why conservatives don’t want NHC at this time. You simply think of it as “Conservatives are greedy and don’t want to pay.” You miss the entire point, hence to you it’s apples and oranges. Until you can open your mind, and truely understand (not agree) with the point conservatives are making you will be blind to any comparison. If you ask Dhotic or Jac, I’m pretty sure they could see the comparisons as legit.

By: jfp1399

jfp1399 — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:56:20 +0000

both chlamydia and gonorrhea can cause painful urination and discharge in men.

By: wicket

wicket — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:25:32 +0000

America’s Health Care issues do not apply to those that can afford it. Do you get penalized for a premature check-mate?

By: Agent Maxwell Silverhammer once again donning the badge

Agent Maxwell Silverhammer once again donning the badge — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:21:36 +0000

That’s a good idea wicket, but I’m still sticking firm to the fact that health care should not be a business. I mean, there’s a reason we’re only people in the world who have a Health Care Industry… as opposed to the Health Care System.

By: wicket

wicket — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:19:22 +0000

I think a large voluntary Health Insurance Exchange could solve a lot of the problems, without scaring the chicken little’s on the right-fringe into a horrific “government takeover” scenario.

By: Agent Maxwell Silverhammer once again donning the badge

Agent Maxwell Silverhammer once again donning the badge — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:19:20 +0000

military service for it*

By: Agent Maxwell Silverhammer once again donning the badge

Agent Maxwell Silverhammer once again donning the badge — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:18:13 +0000

Ok here’s the rub.. You’re pointing out difference of thinking on different topics. You cant compare apples to oranges and maybe one day you’ll think out a response enough to realize you’re doing that.
Military service… Don’t be fooled. It’s a job, it’s a means of employment. Unless there’s a draft, it’s nothing more than a job that serves our country in one of the most selfless ways possible. The rest of us, pay taxes. That’s why it’s apples and oranges. Maybe when you actually make a fair comparison, you’ll stop hearing apples and oranges, until then, you continue to reach for some kind of hypocrisy on another unrelated issue. We’re talking about paying taxes to pay for health care, so you want everyone to do military service for you? Which one is more facist, you tell me.
That’s a horrible parallel, and the only reason you don’t like that we can see through it is because you have nothing else.

By: I Like Peanut Butter

I Like Peanut Butter — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 01:59:19 +0000

No I’m not losing. I’m pointing out the hypocrisies of the liberal thinking. How do we weigh personal freedoms?

I’m tired of this apples and oranges horse munkin… every analogy is apples to oranges unless it supports your way of thinking, it’s ridiculous. instead of actually addressing the issue I hear “apples and oranges”, so who really is losing here, those who skirt the question, or I who continues to answer it, yet you refuse to accept the answer b/c it’s not what you want to hear.

By: Green Beard the Canuck, Pirate of the Mighty Bow River

Green Beard the Canuck, Pirate of the Mighty Bow River — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 01:57:39 +0000

Oh and sorry about the “kid” comment Max, for some reason I thought I had heard you say you were just out of college.

By: Agent Maxwell Silverhammer once again donning the badge

Agent Maxwell Silverhammer once again donning the badge — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 01:54:24 +0000

He’s losing, he knows it, and he’s reaching. It’s best just to leave it be.

By: Agent Maxwell Silverhammer once again donning the badge

Agent Maxwell Silverhammer once again donning the badge — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 01:53:22 +0000

ILPB also doesn’t think the insurance companies are screwing him out of too much money, because he gets government health insurance.

By: Green Beard the Canuck, Pirate of the Mighty Bow River

Green Beard the Canuck, Pirate of the Mighty Bow River — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:39:52 +0000

“Caption by: EWAdams”

There are no lulz here…

By: neoritter

neoritter — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:38:41 +0000

Where’s the lulz?

By: Default User

Default User — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:32:58 +0000

Max, ILPB, I love you both, but seriously…TL;DR.

By: oɹɹɐɥɔ

oɹɹɐɥɔ — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:23:01 +0000

Thank gods someone took care of that for me.

By: Default User

Default User — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:20:20 +0000

*wanders in and tortures Charro for a bit before work*

By: Agent Maxwell Silverhammer once again donning the badge

Agent Maxwell Silverhammer once again donning the badge — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:19:51 +0000

All I have to say is that the 13 colonies got started because they were fleeing from persecution from the Church of England who at the time was using religious power to enforce it’s morals upon everyone and drive out those who were different.
The 13 colonies rebelled from the monarchy because they were being taxed without any say so in the due process of law. Well we’re independent of that. You pay taxes, you get to vote. It’s that simple.
You have yet to present a single reason for not wanting the public health care option that seems beneficial to anyone but yourself. If you don’t see how even a 10% increase in taxes in a net win across the board for health coverage, then I don’t know what else to say.
You don’t complain about us paying taxes to pay your wife’s salary, and we don’t complain about it. But once those taxes go towards helping someone other than you. You’re against it.
And the “when will it stop” argument is BS. Your beloved constitution clearly states: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Therefore once the populace belives the government has gone too far, you can do something about it. Or you can do something that doesn’t require violence, which is to be voted out. Everyone has the power to vote in who they want, if enough people think the government officials are doing bad jobs they will get voted out. Plain and simple. Even the right has been heralding this lovely piece of democracy with the Scott Brown mess.
Democracy works at the bottom line, but when it comes to governing, we know it’s flawed, everyone admits that. But to say that a corporation who has showed no interest in the common man since… well… since they got de-regulated would run a service used to prolong life, better than the government, then you need to re-evaluate your facts. So let me ask you to refute this one simple question:
Where is the logic in thinking the insurance companies who work for profit, will give you a better deal than the government who is looking just to cover expenses, not make a profit off you.

By: Agent Maxwell Silverhammer once again donning the badge

Agent Maxwell Silverhammer once again donning the badge — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:04:36 +0000

ILPB your assertion is wrong, nowhere did I say the things you said, not only that, we have not made a statement about national security so your parallel doesn’t work.
We were merely taking your statements and asking for clarification. You jumped to a conclusion based upon a stereotype. Big difference.

By: mabsba now in training

mabsba now in training — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:34:20 +0000

Wicket, silly boy, ‘pops’ =/= ‘poops.’ I AM a lady. I don’t go around randomly pooping on things.

Maxie, I’d be more worried about the shotgun than the baseball bat.

By: Green Beard the Canuck, Pirate of the Mighty Bow River

Green Beard the Canuck, Pirate of the Mighty Bow River — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:17:58 +0000

I think from what I have gathered from your commentary ILBP what you’re saying is you do not believe your government is capable of implementing a healthcare program correctly. I am not in a position to judge their competence, or at least not as well as you and many others around here. I understand that particular point, improperly executed a public healthcare system could be done very poorly, and the outcome could be disastrous. It seems to me this is the true heart of the debate, not whether it is a good idea but whether your fed is capable of doing it without causing more damage than good.

By: Rando the Filthy, Dirty Socialist

Rando the Filthy, Dirty Socialist — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:51:45 +0000

Wait, did you really just compare a woman’s body to money?

By: oɹɹɐɥɔ

oɹɹɐɥɔ — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:46:30 +0000

Apples and oranges PB. That’s a different ballgame.

By: I Like Peanut Butter

I Like Peanut Butter — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:45:57 +0000

See I don’t think the Insurance companies are screwing me out of too much money, at least any more so that the Government would/is.
I don’t think it’s sad, you don’t have to pitty us, we’re not below you b/c we believe in State’s Rights or don’t have NHC. Most of us like it that way (or else it wouldn’t be that way). I think that the reason things are so bad with Health Care here has to do with Malpractice, over medication, and abuse of the system not only by patients but some Doctors. Some regulation may be needed, but complete control by the Government, the same Government that couldn’t regulate Cash for Clunkers correctly, the same Government that pays $500k to design a toilet b/c a drunken sailor fell off the toilet and broke his arm……

Oh and we did the whole States Heavier rights b/c of your dumb a$$ Monarchy that tried to screw us over.

By: keithybabes

keithybabes — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:30:59 +0000

You will never get health care costs down, I guess, because you would be starting 60 years too late. And those insurance companies won’t want to give up all that lovely money they’re screwing out of you.
Sad, really. And sometimes I forget how much power is devolved over there to the individual states, and how much that seems to matter, especially when the rest of the world sees a homogenous entity.
Oh, and the Daily Mail is a crap lowbrow newspaper, forever getting its knickers in a twist about devilish foreigners (esp. muslims). It is not to be believed. But the relevant sentence is ‘However, a Muslim couple must still be divorced in the British courts for it to recognised under British law.’
And I don’t own a Fiat. I have a proper British car, a Ford. Made in Belgium, or Germany or somewhere.

By: I Like Peanut Butter

I Like Peanut Butter — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:58:21 +0000

Silly Liberals, looking out for the little guy, the blue collar worker, yet you mess up the floor and don’t clean it up…… **wink wink**

By: I Like Peanut Butter

I Like Peanut Butter — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:56:09 +0000

Keith: You can’t measure Health Care of a small island nation population of approximately 61 million with the population of the US at 309 million in GDP. You also haven’t taken into account the inadequacies of our Government to implement Social programs correctly (tack on another 10% beaucratic fee). Between Income, FICA, and Medicare I’m taxed almost 40% of my paycheck, with Obama’s new plan that surely will go up. That 10% of my paycheck I now give to charity, will get eaten up, so the FOP, SPCA, local Soup Kitchen will have less donations this year.

Actually it’s completely different money Keith. I can go to my local School Board and voice complaints or issues, where as if funding came from Washington (and I didn’t live there) I couldn’t talk to those in charge of the funding.

Finally link to the Shaira gaining political control over Muslims in the UK. ***http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197478/Sharia-law-UK–How-Islam-dispensing-justice-side-British-courts.html***

I thought the Fiat used a rudder?

By: n10bettes

n10bettes — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:47:52 +0000

It’s a combination of both Rando, they want to help people, but they want to make money too. I see nothing wrong with that, most doctors are worth it. I would like to see teachers get paid more too, but that’s an example of and institution that’s government run and look how teachers are underpaid. Not saying I have the solution to that either I just don’t want to see health care go the same way.

By: I Like Peanut Butter

I Like Peanut Butter — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:36:36 +0000

Hey I’m pro-choice, just pissed off about the whole “my body my choice” hypocrisy…. if a woman can do THAT as a choice, then I should be able to choose if I give money to help someone get Health Care……. “My wallet my choice.”

By: keithybabes

keithybabes — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:31:38 +0000

You spend 17% of your GDP on health. We spend about 9%. I have the freedom to give that 8% difference to the needy (Not that I do, as there are many consumer goods I haven’t bought yet). As for state vs federal funding for education, well obviously it all comes out of your pocket whichever way round you are taxed. Muslims don’t have to use sharia courts, where the hell did you get that idea? And some of the roads where I live are so narrow you have to drive down the middle, but luckily cars here are equipped with functioning steering wheels.

By: I Like Peanut Butter

I Like Peanut Butter — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:19:30 +0000

Charro it’s ok we whooped them twice…..

To keithy: For the most part here Education is on a State Level (with minimal federal funding). As I said to VG, let it be done on a State Level, not a federal level, as our Constitution entended it to be. And yes I do whine about the federal gubbermnet getting involved with State Schools. No Child Left Behind I was against from the get go (as was pretty much everyone else).

Simple I have the freedom to choose whether or not to be Charitable and give my money to help the needy. Our Muslim women have the right to divorce without having to go through Sharia courts. Freedom to drive on the right side of the street (my God how do you people do that), freedom to choose my Health Care….

By: oɹɹɐɥɔ

oɹɹɐɥɔ — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:11:40 +0000

Whoa whoa whoa. Did you really have to bring up the abortion debate?

By: HelOnWheels the Gene Pool Lifeguard

HelOnWheels the Gene Pool Lifeguard — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:09:54 +0000

He’s a zombie, ILPB. Nothing that Frankenschtien can do for him.

*waves tasty troll brain at Andy* There isn’t much of it I’ll get some more.

By: oɹɹɐɥɔ

oɹɹɐɥɔ — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:06:36 +0000

Well, we need the guns to keep you people away from us. *eyes keithy suspiciously* Red Coat!

By: keithybabes

keithybabes — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:01:16 +0000

I’m a tory, ILPB, and incidentally a republican. I love freedom as much as anyone else, and all I really want from the goverment is for them to fVck off and leave me alone. But the argument for the NHS was won a long time ago, and it was a utilitarian, not a political one. Freedom had nothing to do with it.
Do you whine about the amount of your tax that goes towards education? Doesn’t the greater good trump individual freedom in that case? I don’t think that there’s an argument for public education that doesn’t apply to public healthcare.
Furthermore I’d be interested to know what freedoms you think you have in the US that we don’t have in the UK, apart from the one about guns. Don’t make me bring up McCarthy or Prohibition.

By: I Like Peanut Butter

I Like Peanut Butter — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:46:42 +0000

Paws: notice I quotated torture. B/c everybodies definition of torture is different. Sleep deprivation has been proven to work, dulls a person’s senses, opens them up to mistakes. But to some sleep deprivation is torture. To some people no lawyer present is torture (I say lawyer present IS torture… Diss I kid again).

By: paws4thot

paws4thot — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:42:40 +0000

ILPB, if it was proven that torture was a way of getting the information that you need, rather than of getting the victim to say something that they think you want to hear, and preferably (from their viewpoint), will require significant time to check out, then you might have a point about torture.

By: I Like Peanut Butter

I Like Peanut Butter — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:34:48 +0000

**hires Frankestein to resurrect Andy** Ok Max he’s all yours.