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HOPE AND CHANGE
Yes, it DOES work.

(Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.)

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  1. HelOnWheels the Gene Pool Lifeguard says:

    EWA$$hat: Making Unfunny an Artform

    • pittypat says:

      EWA should make like TWA 800.

    • Wino the Pastafarian says:

      :(
      Main Entry: 1fun·ny
      Pronunciation: \ˈfə-nē\
      Function: adjective
      Inflected Form(s): fun·ni·er; fun·ni·est
      Date: 1756

      1 a : affording light mirth and laughter : amusing b : seeking or intended to amuse : facetious
      2 : differing from the ordinary in a suspicious, perplexing, quaint, or eccentric way : peculiar —often used as a sentence modifier
      3 : involving trickery or deception

      • HelOnWheels the Gene Pool Lifeguard says:

        I love it when you ordinal me. :twisted:

        • Wino the Pastafarian says:

          In sociology, seduction is the process of deliberately enticing a person to engage in some sort of human sexual behavior. The word seduction stems from Latin and means literally “to lead astray.” As a result, the term may have a positive or negative connotation. Famous seducers from history or legend include Giacomo Casanova and the character Don Juan.[1]

          Seduction, seen negatively, involves temptation and enticement, often sexual in nature, to lead someone astray into a behavioural choice they would not have made if they were not in a state of sexual arousal. Seen positively, seduction is a synonym for the act of charming someone — male or female — by an appeal to the senses, often with the goal of reducing unfounded fears and leading to their (sexual) emancipation. The seducing agent may even be nonhuman, such as music or food. In contemporary academic debate, therefore, the morality of seduction depends on the long-term impacts on the individuals concerned, rather than the act itself, and may not necessarily carry the negative connotations expressed in dictionary definitions.[2]

    • Brak the Asgardian Zappaist says:

      WHY DON’T GOD MAKE HIM STOP!!!????!!!!11!!!!!

  2. I.B. Brudda says:

    I sure HOPE they don’t notice I didn’t CHANGE a word in all the papers I plagiarized.

  3. grandamjim says:

    Another UNfunny LOL from EWAdams. But at least MLK earned his Nobel Prize.

  4. Lefty says:

    *passes out pitchforks and torches*

    Get ‘em, boys! (Women as well may roast EWA$$clown)

  5. Charles says:

    Back when the Nobel Prize when to someone who devoted their lives, and even gave their life, for their morals, principles, beliefs and hopes for a better future generation.

    • I assume you’re accusing the last recipient of the award of not meeting those requirements. There was a time in America when US citizens would feel patriotic pride in such a distinction being awarded to their elected leadership. Just because we disagree in the voting booth, doesn’t mean we can’t share in our accomplishments and honor.

      • Churj says:

        I would agree that entirely with your statement except that Obama won the peace prize because of his campaign rhetoric. He hasn’t actually accomplished a single thing on the international stage that has moved the world closer to peace (yet?).
        Mind you, I’m not american, so maybe I have a different view of things.

        • True, true, true. The politcal tide has become very dirty in the US after the election. Just as it’s unprecedented for the US to elect an African-American the Presidency, it’s also unprecedented how much hate has been aimed at this President in his first year in office. It’s getting really dirty really fast, and i’m thinking Obama will never get his chance to actually make true on the major changes the majority of us voted for. That was sad to type, because i actually thought we’d grown as a nation, but more and more it seems that many of us are still stuck in a 20, 50, or 100 year old mentality.

          • Lllll. says:

            …bad mans!!…

          • Just to clarify, it’s the Senate that is stopping progress. And according to polls, it’s not going to get any easier in November’s Senatorial elections.

            • gniknihtdrawkcab says:

              Ever wonder if it’s not the color of his skin, but the content of his character that Americans object to? In the first year, the Democrats had enough votes to pass whatever they wanted without any Republican buy in. You keep pointing your finger at everyone else, but if he really wanted something passed, it would be passed. I believe they’ve lost their window, but that should tell you something. Democrats will be voted out in November because, well, there are many reasons. The main one is that they don’t listen followed closely by their ideas that the American people just don’t care for.

              • So the majority of Americans are conservatives now? Wow that was fast. If the American people didn’t want Democratic ideas in Washington, why did they elect a Democrat president? “Well, we’ve got this Democrat in office and now…OMG, what’s he doing?! He’s trying to act like a Democrat? Why is he doing that? Where are his conservative ideals????” Are the American people really that fickle?

                • jinny_1909 says:

                  Political sides shouldn’t matter when it comes down to who has the better sounding ideas. The majority of Americans just vote for who they ‘feel’ is the right choice. We have many ignorant voters, many of whom don’t even choose sides. And why should sides be important? We should vote for the person who is going to help our country the most (like that ever happens…)
                  They elected a Democratic president because the majority liked him most. McCain just didn’t have enough support. It doesn’t really have that much to do with being a Democrat or Republican, it has to do with swaying the people to believe in you. And when the people don’t think you’re doing what they elected you to do, they throw tantrums ^.^ Like children.

                • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                  It’s pretty well established that the majority of Americans are centrists. When the president is a Democrat, they lean a little right; when a Republican, a little left. Electing a lefty didn’t change any of that — particularly when the campaign and the media (BIRM) took great pains to paint him as a charismatic centrist.

                  • Churj says:

                    Just sayin’, compared to Canada and pretty much all of Europe, the “left” in the US is still actually pretty far right.

                    • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                      So?

                      • Churj says:

                        I’m actually not sure where I was going with that.
                        Haha I guess maybe that an American “centrist” is choosing between less right and more right?

                        • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                          Of course you weren’t — all you had to say was a knee-jerk “things are different outside of America”. Well, no sh!t.

                          Got any other pearls of wisdom for us, O Sage of the International House of Pancakes?

                        • Churj says:

                          Woah now, no need for such hostility. I haven’t said anything about whether it’s good or bad. I just find it sort of amusing that what most Americans regard as “socialism” is still actually fairly conservative.

                        • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                          Of course not — you just preemptively decided to deliver a condescending lecture to the dumb Americans about the world outside of their borders. How could I possibly misconstrue that?

                        • Churj says:

                          Hmm apparently I’ve touched a nerve here. I’m not sure exactly where anything I said was condescending, nor am I sure how exactly I said Americans were stupid.
                          Either way, I’m sorry if you’ve been offended… perhaps in the future try not to assume the worst about simple observational statements.

                        • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                          You know how we Americans fly off the handle because we can’t interpret even the simplest things our international betters say, derp derp…

                          Just quit now — you’re only digging yourself deeper.

                        • Churj says:

                          Really, where did any of that comment say anything about Americans flying off the handle? I actually felt bad originally, because I in no way think down about Americans. However, I’m really starting to think that you individually have a problem with anybody who’s not American. Unless I’m mistaken, nobody else really seems too offended.
                          I’m still trying to figure out how exactly you managed to take a simple comment about where on the political spectrum certain parties lie and interpreted that to mean that “Americans are dumb” and “Americans fly off the handle”.

                        • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                          You need to pick a cover story and stick with it. Either you’re a knee-jerk prick, or you’re some sort of smooth-brained marsupial with shockingly limited English faculties. Which is it?

                          I suspect the reason no one else is bothering with you is because you’re such a minor troll. Unfortunately for you, it’s a slow day for me. Now begone, before you have to wait in a queue for some government-issued Paxil.

                        • Churj says:

                          That’s the first time I’ve ever been called a troll. I’m wondering if I should be proud?
                          Just seeking clarification, exactly how is my capacity for the English language “shockingly limited”? Also, at what point have I been presenting differing “cover stories”.

                          I’m just going to henceforth assume you’ve been having a bad day, as I made a harmless observation, at which you apparently became offended. When I tried to apologise for offending you, apparently that just resulted in you being yet more offended.
                          I’ve not necessarily frequented these fora, but this is by far not my first post, and at no previous occasion has anybody taken such an affront to any of my comments. Hence my inclination to feel that it is you in particular, and not a general trend, that has taken issue with what I’ve said.

                        • dissimilitude says:

                          Oh, FFS, Dhoti, all the guy did was make a random, non-censorial comment about the relation of “left” and “right” in the US to “left” and “right” in Canada and Europe. You’re acting like he ran over your dog and took a dump on your lunch. What the hell, dude? Lighten up.

                        • hehehehehhe dump on your lunch hehehehehehe

                        • keithybabes says:

                          So Dhoti, me old mate, how’s life in the diplomatic service these days?

                        • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                          Like I said — it’s not that you said anything of value, it’s just that I happened to notice. What part of that progression escapes your pre-pubescent mind?

                        • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                          Keith, meet Churj; Churj, meet Keith; I think you two could make very beautiful, very simple music together.

                        • HelOnWheels the Gene Pool Lifeguard says:

                          WTF is your problem, Dhoti? What do you have against our Canadian neighbors?

                        • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                          If nitwits saying “lol america is right” is suddenly considered to be insightful political commentary, what’s next, the elimination of the ordinal post rule?

                        • HelOnWheels the Gene Pool Lifeguard says:

                          Whatever crawled up your ass today is not an excuse for attacking somebody for making a completely innocent observation/comment. Just because you may think the U.S. can do little wrong doesn’t mean it’s a fact or that everybody agrees with you. You could at least be civil, like Churj was.

                        • keithybabes says:

                          That wouldn’t be the Dhoti we all know and love, bless his little cotton socks.

                        • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                          @Hel: That’s quite an elaborate stereotype you’ve constructed there — too bad it’s wrong. And you’ll have to explain to me sometime how polite condescension is considered “civil”.

                          @Keith: That word, I do not think it means what you think it means. But go ahead, prove me wrong — name some, smart guy.

                        • keithybabes says:

                          Name some what?

                        • HelOnWheels the Gene Pool Lifeguard says:

                          Name some cotton socks? I’m guessing. Mine are named “Target Jumbo Pack”

                        • keithybabes says:

                          Dhoti, a sock is a garment worn on the feet. Unless you wear a dhoti, in which case socks wouldn’t be a good look. Cotton is a natural fibre. ‘Bless his little cotton socks’ is a term of endearment. Don’t get more paranoid than you already are.

                        • dissimilitude says:

                          Dhoti, you know I don’t generally dislike you, but in this case, you’re being an ass to someone who didn’t do anything that would reasonably offend you. I know some days you’re crankier than others, but …you really need a nap. Or to get laid. Or something to eat. Whatever it is, deal with it, ok?

                        • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                          Like I said, I’m sure you two will be very happy together.

                        • I didn’t really see what Churj did wrong either, but I didn’t really want to get involved.

                        • dissimilitude says:

                          I was going to stay out of it, too, but it just seemed so …disproportionate, and it was turning into a whole “thing”…bleah. I should’ve gone with just ignoring it.

                        • Well, I hate it when there are conversations that don’t involve me, so I had to stick my nose where it didn’t belong (again). And I’m gonna again: Dhoti, there are occasions where it’s okay to say “I was wrong, my bad.” This is one of them.

                        • Churj says:

                          Well thank you to others for clarifying that I haven’t actually said anything unforgivably stupid. Haha I didn’t mean to make a “thing”… but every time I tried to apologise it somehow ended up just blowing up in my face even more.
                          Where I’m from, the left is the hand that makes the “L” (Maybe a joke will make things better?)

                        • Default User says:

                          I do like the bit where Dhoti flew off the handle, and then implied that was what Churj had said Americans did. I thought it was rather amusing. Of course, I have an odd sense of humour.

                  • Bah! Centrists are too wishy washy for me! LOL

  6. Justacarolinian says:

    Why did I know who made this LOLame before I even looked? EWIdiot must be the most condescending human being alive.

    • Jane St.Clair knows that it's a trap! says:

      There certainly is an overwhelming “flavor” to his douchebaggery.

    • jinny_1909 says:

      Well, according to himself, the only reason he’s even here is, “I’m here for two reasons: to entertain myself, and try to to make the front page. I get to the Upcoming pages pretty regularly and the front page now and then, so I’m happy. Igloomccoy and his littles friends’ opinions don’t come into it.”
      … >.< …

  7. BAW says:

    DADT, DOMA, NCLB–unrepealed; health care “reform” that is corporate welfare for the health insurance companies; bailouts of Wall Street; PATRIOT renewed; Guantanamo still operating; troops still being killed in Afghanistan & Iraq.

    BHO is just the Shrub with a darker complexion and better command of English. Change my a@@!

    • I hate to say it, but so far, this dude is right. I just keep hoping it was just a rough rookie year and this year he’ll break out. I’m hoping things it was just a case of things being worse than he expected and it’ll just take a bit longer to get things under control. But I’m not happy about the continued wars and the Guantanamo thing.

      • It takes congress to pass anything without an executive order. I still think he’s the brightest POTUS we’ll see in our lifetime. Hopefully, he’s bright enough to make congress at least seem like it’s a functional body of government. The House seems to still be passing bills, it’s the Senate that is stagnant in partisan BS. No previous President in the country’s history has seen this many filibusters ever; and it’s just Obama’s first year. I have your same concerns, but blaming Obama is kind of letting the real perpetrators off the hook.

        • Well, the Democrats were too accomodating last year. They wanted to work with the other side, who didn’t want to have anything to do with them. Let’s face it, if Obama said he wanted to put together a package of strictly conservative bills, the Republicans would still find a reason to vote it down. It’s gotten that bad. What the Democrats should have done was gotten their ducks in a row and gotten stuff done. The fact that even with the Senate majority we haven’t gotten enough done proves that some of the Democrats are just being jackasses. If they’re not going to vote for the party’s ideas, then just join the Republican party already. We knew the Republicans were going to be assholes. We were shot down by our own team.

    • Smart says:

      First of all, thank you Rando and Wicket’s twin for providing some sanity in this ocean of idiotic unbased hatred.

      Second, we over here in Europe are laughing our asses off at the right wing slander of “socialist medicine” – a term coined by Nixon to keep the private health insurers in business. But of course the right-wingers don’t care much for reality, just saying it often enough surely must make it so.

      Most European countries have a public healthcare system where you are insured. It is almost impossible not to be insured. And it works. Noone is going bankrupt over this and I would have no clue where to find any “socialism” in any of these systems. But it is hilarious to watch people seriously state and argue this.

      You don’t have to go so far as to look to Europe even – look at Hawaii. They have a public healthcare system, it works and everybody is happy. Socialism? Nope. Yes, thinking for yourself can be hard, right-wingers. But you should give it a try.

      Even the most putrid ignorant hatemonger Rush Limbaugh when treated there after a heart attack only had the best things to say immediately after his release from the hospital. Of course once he was back in his studio, he tried to twist his previous praise again to fit his sick agenda.

      The right-wingers in the US are no better than the Taliban in the middle east. Perpetrating an agenda of hate by trying to manipulate people. It is time you woke up and realised this.

      • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

        Ah, there’s nothing like a mention of health care to bring the defensive Eurotrash out of the woodwork. Yes, yes, we get it — America’s way of doing things is bad; Europe’s way of doing things is good; democracy is bad; authoritarian technocracy is good. If I say I get it, will you go away?

        Nice touch, though, comparing your political opponents to a terrorist organization. (Who are the ones perpetrating hate again?) Oh, and grab a post-colonial era map: the Middle East and Central Asia are two entirely different regions.

      • I Like Peanut Butter says:

        Dude really? Public run Health Care is not Socialist? How so?

        Also the Middle Class in this country can’t get taxed anymore or else our entire economic structure will collapse worse than it has. But to go after the rich for taxation also is not “American” you know that whole equality/ freedom thing that most Europeans scoff at.

        Hawaii and MAss both have STATE run Health Care which is allowed for in our Constitution. Now I know Europeans have a hard time understanding a document that pretty much set up a full 15% of their population coming to this country about 160 years ago, but let me let you in on something, our country was founded to get rid of big taxing governments. European governments are derived from feudalism, therfore making Europeans early “Democratic” systems conrtolling of the people.

        Finally comparing the conservatives in this country to the Taliban is well pretty wankerish. I’m sorry but I like people to worhsip how they will, live how they will, and do what they will…. however you Europeans love to control your population… “Can’t make fun of the Muslims, must not piss off the Muslims, let’s do away with “Hate Speech” which is defined by a bias group…… it’s BS, and y’all know it.

      • n10bettes says:

        Yes, that’s why so many Americans are moving to Europe to take advantage of your great system. No one is coming over here…

        • Yeah, the RICH ONES come over here.

          • n10bettes says:

            Well that has to tell you something about the quality of the care. If the rich can’t get what they need you can bet the poor don’t stand a chance.

            • No, it means their rich can get specialized care that we’re awesome at over here that might not be available there yet. And you know what? If only their rich are coming here to get it, I’d say it’s a pretty good bet that our non-rich aren’t gonna get it either. America has great health care if you can afford the great stuff. The rest of us, even with insurance, get what our insurance allows us to get, which is generally speaking the least amount of health care they can get away with. I’d like to see the good stuff available to everyone, but that’s socialist, right?

              • n10bettes says:

                No, socialist is when the mediocre stuff is all anyone can get, anywhere.

                • n10bettes says:

                  Unless you’re a government official…

                • And I understand it’s a concern from people about universal health care. And it’s probably a fair concern. Ideally, people would get the good stuff when they need it, instead of only getting the mediocre stuff when they need it.
                  So what is it if everyone gets the good stuff? Isn’t it still socialism? Or is only the bad stereotypes of socialism that count? Serious question.

                  • Kn0wledge1ne says:

                    Ah crap, ANOTHER health care debate?!

                    Just make ALL health care insurance not-for-profit. There. I just fixed health care.

                    • HelOnWheels the Gene Pool Lifeguard says:

                      *hands kn0w the Nobel Prize for Medicine and the Nobel Peace Prize*

                    • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                      Um, you know that doesn’t make any difference, right?

                      • HelOnWheels the Gene Pool Lifeguard says:

                        That was not an invitation to have a healthcare debate from kn0w, you do know that, right?

                      • I’m gonna regret asking this, but why do you say that?

                        • Green Beard the Canuck, Pirate of the Mighty Bow River says:

                          Since it doesn’t seem like Dhoti is going to answer, I’ll play devils advocate and present the other side of the argument.

                          The inherent problem with not-for-profit NGO’s is that they tend to balloon bureaucratically to consume a larger portion of the income (since as I understand it, the CEO bonuses and such are limited by the total income of the employees not percentage based). While NGO’s often have an inherent advantage over Government non-profits in that they do have a small but definite profit motive, the tendency for bureaucratic overkill hypothetically may make it even less efficient than for-profit health care.

                          Of course since no-one has ever tried it as far as I’m aware, this is all just hypothetical and could be potentially fixed by having special regulations governing health care non-profits.

                • HelOnWheels the Gene Pool Lifeguard says:

                  n10 – That’s your own impression or definition of socialized medicine?

                  • n10bettes says:

                    No, many many people feel that way. We have the most advanced health care in the world, that’s why rich people come here for advanced treatments or not having to wait for treatments/surgeries. It’s because of the competition, the horrible profit motivation. This country is so wealthy that those who couldn’t afford to purchase could be provided for. The government doesn’t need to take over the whole thing, there are other options without ruining the profit motivation that makes our system excellent.

                    • Green Beard the Canuck, Pirate of the Mighty Bow River says:

                      So how would you feel about a universal single-payer for emergency (not far off what you have now but no one goes bankrupt to get there) and routine checkups, but everything else gets handled by for-profit insurance (similar to Canada or Australia, but a little more hands off)?

                      Would it make a difference to you if it weren’t a federal payer, but it was mandatory for each state to do something to provide some level of basic care?

                      • I know you’re not talking to me, but…
                        I’d prefer a federal plan to make it nice and even across the country. I’d be concerned that poor states would have a hard time keeping up with states with more money for health care programs. However, I’d be willing to take state-run health care as a consolation prize if the federal plan doesn’t work out.

                        • mabsba says:

                          Um, speaking from one of the poorest states, yeah, we ain’t got no money. And our state govt couldn’t poor piss from a boot with the instructions written on the heel.

                          But, GB, what about the IMPORTANT things??? Like GOLD???

                        • Um, poor my a@@ says:

                          Washington isn’t poor. It’s #10 on the wealthiest per income.

                          {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_of_the_United_States_of_America_by_income}

                        • mabsba says:

                          And that’s relevant to someone living in NM how?

                        • oɹɹɐɥɔ says:

                          She’s in NM.

                        • Green Beard the Canuck, Pirate of the Mighty Bow River says:

                          I just threw that in as an alternative, you’re right, even with federal cost sharing poorer provinces (like the maritime provinces, from whence came the infamous government official who went south for a heart problem) tend to struggle to provide the basics, but then you’ve got to find out how far the other side is willing to go to meet you in the middle.

                        • mabsba says:

                          Hey, but I checked. We moved up to #44 by income.

                        • Um, poor my a@@ says:

                          Whatev. Your FB says Washington, I assumed.

                        • mabsba says:

                          Yeah, well you know what they say about assuming. Maybe you should have facts before you troll.

                        • Green Beard the Canuck, Pirate of the Mighty Bow River says:

                          Uh oh, sorry Mabs, looks like you picked up a follower…

                        • Um, poor my a@@ says:

                          You’ve said several times you’re from Washington. I presented a FACT. Sorry that offends you so deeply that you’d get all defensive and call names. I sure didn’t.

                        • mabsba says:

                          I told you FB is the ebil. Stupid trolls.

                          Ahem. GOLD!

                        • mabsba says:

                          And said more times that I LIVE in NM.

                        • Um, poor my a@@ says:

                          Right. I’m a troll because I noticed you live (lived) whatev in the same state I do and presented a fact. You must live a very insulated life, then. If you don’t want to be noticed on FB, don’t have the only mabsba name. Pretty obvious when you’re friends with someone I’m friends with.

                        • mabsba says:

                          Sure. Whatever you say.

                        • Uh-huh. Sounds like someone is socking then. Mind telling us who you really are?

                        • Um, poor my a@@ says:

                          You too, Eric. Can’t help but be able to figure it out. The internet’s not totally anonymous, you know, and if your friends and my friends allow access to “friends” and I also pay attention to who says what here it becomes pretty damn obvious who’s who. It’s not rocket science.

                        • I’m socking? Who am I socking as? I don’t hide the fact that my ICHC account is under Eric-in-STL. Big fvcking deal. The question is, who the fvck are you? And why are you FB stalking me and mabsba? And what exactly can you see from me? Because if you know more than my name, I haven’t gotten strict enough with the privacy controls on FB. So out with it, sock. Who are you?

                        • THIS is precisely why I dropped out of the PK Irregulars. Apparently it wasn’t good enough though.

                        • Um, poor my a@@ says:

                          FB stalking. LOL! See, you’ve hidden your profile, G, but your friends haven’t. I’m friends with someone who is friends with one your your friends who has a VERY distinctive avatar, uses it both on FB and here, and not all that many friends. Totally easy-peasey to figure out who the regulars were after that, not that I care. Just a cautionary tale: you can’t say whatever you want and act like a douchebag anonymously on the interwebs, because others may figure out who you are and it could bite you in the ass later Just saying. Oh yeah, and nice hat. D’oh!

                        • Um, poor my a@@ says:

                          To answer your question: don’t come on here, scream, holler and rant about every topic under the sun you hate, and then let people see what pages you are a fan of on FB that encompass those very topics. And that hat! Sheesh!
                          *shakes head sadly*
                          Or do. Whatev.


                        • What’s wrong with the hat?

                        • Hey, douchebag, I’m not the one FB-stalking the regulars here just for the sake of creeping us out. Are you supposed to be teaching me a lesson? Oooooh, I’m impressed. Well, I defriended anyone from PK, so hopefully you won’t get to stalk me anymore. You know who I am. Many on here know who I am. And I’ve disclosed a fair amount about my personal life on here from my employer to the city I live in. So I don’t feel the need to tell any more about myself. I still think you’re a sock, and I’m curious to know who out of Ivan or Chris’ friends you happen to be. Because if you’re friends with one of them, and know to find me here, then you’re likely already one of us socking for some sick reason.

                        • Um, poor my a@@ says:

                          Nope =) Keep guessing!

                          And please, do continue being outraged for whatever reason you feel compelled to be outraged. What, are you ashamed to be known by the world for the things you’ve said here?

                          You put yourself out there. I just found ‘ya. If I can do it, so can people who, to put it mildly, have influence. Just throwing it out there, G.

                        • Um, poor my a@@ says:

                          Nothing wrong with the hat, ‘cept that I’m a Mariner fan. :P

                        • froofrou says:

                          If I find out that you are one of my friends, and you’re using our fb pages as a way to irritate Mabs and Rando, you better hope I don’t find out who you are.

                        • Um, poor my a@@ says:

                          Lighten up, Francis. No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!

                        • froofrou says:

                          I hope like hell you’re not who I suspect you are…

                        • Um, poor my a@@ says:

                          And that would be whom?

                        • froofrou says:

                          Apparently you think I have the IQ of a mildly intelligent shoe if you think I’m going to give you names. I have my suspicions, and if I end up being correct, there are measures that can be taken with regards to cyber-stalking and bullying.

                        • Um, poor my a@@ says:

                          Show me where I’m stalking or bullying. I haven’t called anyone a name or threatened anyone. I merely pointed out that the internet isn’t as anonymous as one would like to believe, and people should be prepared to be accountable for what they post. Eric says a lot of really nasty things to people: a lot of times without personal provocation. Personally, I find him amusing, astute, and for the most part, correct in his assessments of human nature, however crudely couched. But I’m juvenile and pedantic like that.

                          I was VERY surprised to stumble across an entire list of regulars, you included. Wasn’t anything I was researching, it just happened, and it amuses me greatly to see the disparity between names/posts/faces. What amuses me the most? Justa was one of the few who hid his friend list…

                          And measures? lol! Are you threatening ME? Why? I’m posting in a public forum… as are you.

                        • Default User says:

                          Basically, you’re an obnoxious little internet troll who has nothing better to do than go around stalking people. Is your life really that empty?

                        • Um, poor my a@@ says:

                          And allow me to reiterate: if you don’t make your friends private, ANYONE can see them. That includes friends of friends, networks, people in hell, etc. Lesson: if you’re worried about people knowing who you are and being able to find you, make sure your friends keep THEIR friends private.

                        • Um, poor my a@@ says:

                          Thank you for pointing out that my life is so pathetic and empty that I spend all day posting on an lol site. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways. I’m so GLAD you could do that for me. I’ve seen the LIGHT! :roll:

                          Quit being so defensive. It’s like you have something to hide.

                        • froofrou says:

                          No one here joined FB in order to be harassed about personal information in a public forum. If that’s what you intend to do, and if you get your kicks dangling little bits of information that you think you have about people out over the forum like chum for sharks, then you need a life. And you need to stop it. Playing with people’s private infomation, no matter how it’s obtained, is wrong, and you deserve what you get. Now stop it.

                        • Um, poor my a@@ says:

                          I deserve what I get? What’s that supposed to mean? No one’s been hurt here, and I’m the only one who’s been called names. You don’t see me threatening anyone, do you?
                          And I’m not anyone you suspect, because as I’ve said, I’m not a regular, and I stumbled across EVERYONE here accidentally. Eric’s made it obvious he values his privacy, hence, he now has it back, no harm no foul. So chill the hell out, and be grateful it was someone without an agenda.

                        • Um, poor my a@@ says:

                          One last thing, froofrau. Don’t delude yourself into thinking FB is private. It’s not. It’s a public entity, and they keep changing it to make everyone’s profile MORE public. If you don’t stay on top of it, anyone can see your private information. To check what you have private: log out. Google yourself and Facebook. It’ll show you what’s public. You won’t be shocked, as I think you’re privacy-legit, but most people will be less than impressed. I certainly was.

                        • Default User says:

                          Sod off ISO.

                        • Um, poor my a@@ says:

                          Google’s giving me nothing. Can’t help you.

                        • Naoyusimi says:

                          What a fvcker.
                          I’ve been stalked by losers like you in the past.

                          That’s all you are, and all you’re ever be. An internet stalking loser. Congratulations.

                        • Um, poor my a@@ says:

                          Then why are you talking to me, again? Jealous, and wanna be on my radar, too?

                        • Naoyusimi says:

                          Yes, I’m panting for it. I want to have your baby. You’re so SMAAARRT! I’m tearing off my clothes. Right. Now. Come ‘n’ get it, big boy!

                        • Um, poor my a@@ says:

                          This isn’t as epic as your flirting over at Passive-Aggressive Notes, young lady. Put some effort into it! lol!

                        • Naoyusimi says:

                          ::BUZZZZZZ::
                          Geez, put more effort into your stalking! LOL

                        • Um, poor my a@@ says:

                          Then someone’s stolen your name an avatar, sweetness.

                          {http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/2010/02/02/you-need-some-help/#comment-342095}

                          The internet is NOT anonymous, kiddo.

                        • Naoyusimi says:

                          “Stolen”? Why would you think anything on the internet is privately owned? LOL

                          You’re funny. I *was* getting tired.

                        • Um, poor my a@@ says:

                          That’s funny…. same name, avatar, acerbic tone, and poor grammar… of COURSE it’s not you! :D

                        • Naoyusimi says:

                          “Acerbic tone”? Oh, now you’re just flattering me! Do tell about the grammar, though.

                        • Um, poor my a@@ says:

                          Nah. I can see I’m not getting into your pants tonight, I still have an article to finish writing for tomorrow, and I’m not quite done with my research re: perceived internet privacy. Stay gold, Ponyboy.

                        • Um, poor my a@@ says:

                          One last thing: you’ll love this!

                          Facebook
                          A Facebook platform application named “Six Degrees” was developed by Karl Bunyan, which calculates the degrees of separation between different people.[citation needed] It has over 5.8 million users (as of December 20, 2009), as seen from the group’s page. The average separation for all users of the application is 5.73 degrees, whereas the maximum degree of separation is 12. The application has a “Search for Connections” window to input any name of a Facebook user, to which it then shows the chain of connections. As of October 24, 2009, the application was no longer available.

                          Along the same lines was the group “Six Degrees of Separation – The Experiment”, which instructed new members to invite six people on their friend list, and is cited in a report about the theory. The group however, had no way to check if everyone is actually within six degrees of each other, and has since been deleted. However, a newer group with the same name revived the intent of the deleted group.

                        • Naoyusimi says:

                          Oh, but most of us KNOW THIS.
                          “Hey! There’s this cool, new, kooky thing called ‘the Internet’. It’s electronic, and we can communicate with anyone anywhere! It’s neat-o!”

                          This is the *second* time today someone assumed I was born yesterday. I checked behind my ears and the moisture is pretty much gone.

                        • HelOnWheels the Gene Pool Lifeguard says:

                          Wow. Rando, you attract the most repugnant stalkers and trolls, don’t you.

                        • You’re right, HOW. Not really sure why I attract such people. I guess my constant quest for truthiness offends some. I thought it was odd that after torturing me most of the night making me wonder if this tard was watching me through my curtains, he ended up complimenting me on some of what I post here. Kinda weird.

                          *sigh* I had to reassure my wife that this tool was likely not any threat, and the only personal info he had managed to find out to throw in my face was my name, and that I had on a Cardinals hat in my profile pic.

                          Fortunately that’s not even my real name on FB, so if he wanted to try to stalk me using my FB name, he would fail miserably. Don’t get me wrong, it is the name I go by, but it’s not my real name. So the troll has failed.

                          BTW, It’s So Obvious, if you’re gonna sock, try to avoid using your catchphrases. Lighten up, Francis? Dead giveaway.

                        • charro says:

                          Hey, I like your hat Rando.

                    • oɹɹɐɥɔ says:

                      there are other options without ruining the profit motivation that makes our system excellent.

                      The “for profit motivation” includes denying people with pre-existing conditions and making insurance plans not affordable. Companies are profiting off of denying people care which is sickening. That’s so terrible. So, great. We have advanced care. And we got there by letting people suffer financially or physically. Wonderful.

                      • oɹɹɐɥɔ says:

                        Clearly.. I messed up the blockquote..

                        there are other options without ruining the profit motivation that makes our system excellent.

                        Etc..

  8. Ban EWAdams ! says:

    EWAdams- an Obama apologist with no sense of humor, unprecedented access and a complete tool. F@ck me !

    • Ban EWAdams ! says:

      Plus- how the hell did this get 80 votes approving it ?
      I think the votes here are as rigged as an Iranian election.

      • Well, believe it or not, I think the conservatrolls are doing it to themselves. Here’s why:
        I go into the voting as a liberal who hates EWA’s preachiness. However, even more than that I hate the likes of edgar123, flanders, hueydoc and some others who alternate between preachy and offensive conservatroll LOLs. After reading about a dozen of those in a row, I start to get kinda pissed off. Next thing you know, I’m voting “win” for some rather marginal EWAdams material, just because I’m sick of the conservatroll crap. I’m not proud of myself, but I feel justified nonetheless.

      • *in between chants of, “Down With America”!!*

        What’s wrong with the Iranian elections???

      • Gaaah says:

        No, you’re confusing this election with the Bush election which was clearly rigged. No nation can be so stupid to vote for Curious George, twice.

        • I Like Peanut Butter says:

          It’s the same nation that voted for Obama once…. ZING!!!

        • I don’t think it was rigged. I used to think that because I was pissed over the outcome. I think in ’04 the Democrats put up such a lousy worthless candidate that even Shrub looked like the lesser of two evils to millions of Americans. And the ones who voted for Kerry were really voting “Not Bush.” I never would have thought we could be so stupid as to elect Bush twice, but if we actually put the country back into the Republicans’ hands after one mediocre year, then maybe I’m wrong.

        • jasonx says:

          “No, you’re confusing this election with the Bush election which was clearly rigged. No nation can be so stupid to vote for Curious George, twice.”

          Rigged, shmigged. The democrats didn’t even bother trying and assumed throwing any idiot behind a podium was a lock simply because it was “Anybody but Bush”. Gore and Kerry were worse candidates, and the polls reflected that.

  9. Nephilim says:

    Yes, hope and change does work… for people who believe in it. MLK Jr. was the real deal – Obama is just a tool.

  10. n10bettes says:

    Face it, EWAdams owns PK. There is no other explanation.

  11. froofrou says:

    ACK!! It’s EWAdams again!! KILL IT!!! KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!!!

    *runs away crying*

  12. keithybabes says:

    Hope and change patently does NOT work on PK. We’re still suffering EWAdams’ wet farts masquerading as LOLS, and nothing seems to change that.

  13. space heater says:

    Well, *I* thought it was OK.

  14. PatrioticCalifornian says:

    How DARE anyone compare Martin Luther King JR to Barack Obama?! King was a visionary; he did things honorably, and lived honestly.
    Just because they’re both black does NOT make the two comparable. Hitler was white, and you don’t see me comparing him to Ronald Reagan! Please!

  15. Cuddlee says:

    Well, compared to the other captions for this pic, this one is still the best. Though I also liked “But wait! There’s more! If you order in the next 15 minutes, I will throw in the Shamwow and the Snuggie for free!” ;)

  16. well this one is better than most of his L0L’s
    plus it makes a good point

    • Lefty says:

      1. “Slightly better” than something extremely close to zero is still extremely close to zero.

      2. We don’t need “good points”. This is not Good Point Kitchen. This site is a collection of LOL and funny and comedy, not lame and fail.

    • Hapiface says:

      A good point? What point is that? I seriously hope you don’t think that anything of late has actually CHANGED with the current administration from the past ones. Well, I guess you could call polarization and increases in stuff that was done before as change, if you want to get nit picky…

      • Default User says:

        To be fair, the polarization started before him, though I admit I haven’t seen it getting any better.

        • That’s gotten worse, but it’s kinda silly since Obama and many democrats won the election. Like I said above, if the American people didn’t want the democrats’ ideas, WHY DID THEY ELECT A BUNCH OF DEMOCRATS??? I think it’s a case of the butthurt right revving up the angry hate machine (possibly as a form of revenge for how we treated their boy George) to make it look like the entire nation despises Obama and his ideas and that everything he’s done is wrong, and sadly some people have bought it.

          • dissimilitude says:

            Well, as far as Obama’s election goes, bear in mind that although it was an electoral-vote landslide, he only got 52% of the popular vote overall, which means damn near HALF of us didn’t vote for him; that certainly should explain some of the dissatisfaction — 48% of the electorate didn’t want him in the first place, and losing does tend to increase, rather than decrease, polarization on an issue like that.

            • If it was just Obama, I could see your point. But over the last two elections, Americans have voted in a bunch of democrats in to Congress as well. Obama alone, nah, not much of a mandate, but the big majorities in the senate and the house, that sounded more like a country wanting them some democratic lovin’. But a year later that’s all changed. What happened?

              • dissimilitude says:

                I don’t know….maybe after the country got some democratic lovin’ the democrats said they were going to call, and then they didn’t?

              • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                Congress’ approval rating has been steadily dropping the last 6 years. The problem was most of the voting going on was “In Spite of Bush”, vice “Hey this guy has my ideals in mind”. It’s the cold truth that Dems put everything in the “Anybody But Bush” basket, and now that it happened, the centrists realize the mistake of listening. One party in power is horrible. The dems tried to take this country too left too quick, and still odn’t realize, most Americans don’t want a big government.

                • I really worry about cutting the government back too much. I don’t think it will have a positive effect. I think it will end up cutting too many government jobs, and then what?

                  • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                    There’s a difference between a larger government work force, and a large Government. I believe in the Government providing steady jobs (most of the Government workforce is Middle Class) I worry about the Government taking choices from me, the government trying to control me, and I really fear that the American Politicians aren’t good enough to run social programs.

                    I’m a Capitialist, so I fear government control…. it’s good for some things, but like Business it needs to be regulated at times.

                  • dissimilitude says:

                    To be fair, we probably have more government jobs than we really need. Although ILPB might disagree with me on that one.

                    • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                      Actually I think that our FBI, NSA, CIA, and DoD is understaffed. I think that we def have too many Police Forces in the DC area (some are DC police but still). Why do we have to have Capitol Police, why not just have the National Park Police fall under that jurisdiction? I could say Mrs. Obama could lessen her staff some, and I’m sure a few Politicians could trim the fat off of their staffs as well.

      • I’m thinking the point is that regardless of the nay-sayers, with hope comes change (in reference to MLK not your Obama bashing). There was hope and there were nay-sayers. 40 years later, an AA was elected president. Can’t deny that.

        You could possibly argue that it’d take 40 more years for Americans before they throw the insurance companies out, and actually have some health reform. THATS HOPE, and regardless what you say, I WANT CHANGE. it’s not some gimmick, it’s a f%%king prayer.

  17. i love good point asparagus

  18. Judas says:

    Yes… Change works. Unfortunatley, it isn’t always the right change. Or in this case, change by the right person considering MLK was a fraud, a plagerizer, a man who cheated his way through school so he isn’t really a doctor and he never believed in equality among men and women.

  19. shimauma says:

    ya’ll know MJK was a republican, right? don’t soil him by comparing him to barry hussein….

    • Contrary to the political environment you project. Republicans can be good people, as well as Democratic members. Both parties want what is best for the country, they just have different approaches to dealing with the issues. This preemptive premature Obama hatred is nauseating after awhile.

      • I can agree with some of it, but I also realize that it’s mostly impatience on my part. It’s only been a year, but I fear that not coming out of the gates roaring will end up hurting Obama and the democrats in this election, as unfair as it is. But I do come down solidly against Obama in his expansion of the Afghanistan war. I didn’t realize I had voted for another warmonger.

        • I Like Peanut Butter says:

          And what happens when we pull out of Afghanstan and the Taliban just walks right back in, invites Al Queda for a poker night or two? I really don’t think that the US would have won WWII with the current generation we have.

          • I’m more concerned about our troops dying in a war that didn’t really need to be fought. Yes, the Taliban are pure evil. But can we really go after every group that is holding someone down? I don’t think we can. I’m also skeptical about Obama’s timeline for pulling out of Iraq following his recent interest in fighting more wars instead of ending them like I hoped he would.
            Kind of funny that the one thing I really disapprove of from Obama is something you support him on. You really are the anti-Rando, aren’t you? ;)

    • You say his middle name like it means something. It’s a fvcking name, you conservatroll retard. He didn’t pick it out. I don’t know much about MLK’s political affiliation, but the Republican party back then was a fair bit different anyway. Not the angry, sleazeball party they are today trying to make sure any and all progress is destroyed in a desperate attempt to maintain the status quo.

  20. Churj says:

    Yay for contradiction! Let’s first claim he’s ultra-conservative like Osama Bin Laden, and then claim he’s extreme left atheistic pseudo-communist!

    Righto people, so if you’re going to try and disagree with a politician… at least don’t contradict yourself before you finish the sentence. Think you can manage that?

    • Soooo easy to make the Pres the scapegoat when the Republican Senate has basically killed the bill making process with the most filibusters EVER in American history. Don’t act like it’s the President’s fault when it’s actually the Senate’s fault. I’m cool with you bashing the President, but at least use some common knowledge when speaking to adults on the subject.

    • Churj says:

      Actually… I don’t like Obama. He’s an amazing politician and charismatic public speaker, but I get the impression he’s not genuine about any of the promises he made in his campaign.
      Of course, as I’ve said before, I’m not American so my opinion doesn’t really matter :D

  21. Your hatred and juvenile comparison of the President to the mastermind behind 911 is a pathetic joke of a washed up Republican whose brain can’t handle logic, facts, or policies that disagree with the conservative mantra that “smaller government, and less taxes” can fix everything (including fixing the worst recession in 80 years, caused by “smaller government and less taxes”). To think that the problems caused by conservative policies can be fixed by conservative policies is the pathetic joke.

  22. Right on says:

    It is hilarious how the conservatrolls go mad at this lol and this guy. Although I don’t really know his previous lols, I see that he must really hit a nerve with these mentally challenged people!

    It is like watching rabid dogs fight over an old shoe.

    Thank you for the entertainmen!

    • Default User says:

      No, um, see, everyone, the conservatives and liberals alike can’t stand him, see, because, he’s not, um…what’s the word for something found on a lol site? Oh! I remember! Funny. He’s not funny.

    • keithybabes says:

      Just look at EWAdams’ home page and revel in the wit and sagacity of the lols, then come back and tell us you don’t understand the ire that he generates. It’s not a political issue: the loathing comes from anyone, right or left, who comes here for the funny.

  23. carlo says:

    oh gee whiz guys i HOPE obama doesnt run out of ink in the printing presses before things change around here…….hurrrrr durrrrrrrrr derp derp derp…………..ive never heard of someone that is in alot of debt getting out of debt by borrowing alot of money to invest in unproductive assets???

  24. Hapiface says:

    Comparing Obama to MLK? I would laugh were it not such an audacious claim.

  25. Mr. Moran says:

    What is this? I come here to laugh, have a chuckle and I get this?

  26. anybody want some “I have a dream” alphabet soup?

  27. Derek says:

    Great Man, Martin Luther King Jr….

    Just FYI, Dr. King was a Republican and favored small government and individual freedom. He would have OPPOSED Obama’s brand of Neo-Progressive Socialism.

    • Pfft. Only right wing conservative nutjobs think Obama is actually socialist. He’s not nearly socialist enough, fool.

      • I Like Peanut Butter says:

        Rando.. I’m not a nut job, and Obama is a self proclaimed socialist.

        • Ivan The Patron Saint Of Shortright & Pastafarians says:

          Oh PLEASE cite where Obama called himself a socialist.

          • dissimilitude says:

            It’s probably like the “confession” to shooting the clerk in “My Cousin Vinny”: “I’m a socialist?! I’m a socialist?!?” :twisted:

          • I Like Peanut Butter says:

            I’m sorry it was the fact that he had to call back after a NYT interview to try and convince the reporter he really isn’t a Socialist….. That had me confused.

            In 100% Honesty he’s not a true socialist, but he does have Socialistic ideas, and has no problems trying to implement them. He is trying to turn this country down a socialistic/ Big Government path, which by looking at the polls, is not what this country wants.

            • We already have plenty of socialistic ideas. Obama didn’t start that. And there’s nothing wrong with those kinds of ideas as long we implement them correctly, which is where he have to cross our finges and hope for the best. Again, like I pointed out before, the majority of Americans may be centrists, sure, whatever (wishy washy), but they voted Democrats in droves in the last two elections, and now, they’re trying to act like Democrats and people are MAD? What did they think was going to happen??? If the centrists wanted a centrist president, they should’ve voted in ol’ wishy washy McCain.

              • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                Don’t forget Obama and most of the media tried to paint Obama as a centrist. Lets also not forget that the republicans $hit canned this country over the last 8 years, Bush started to actually move too far left in his social programs (to try and be bi-partisan). I’ve stated this many times before the Dems could have run a Gorilla against McCain and it would have won. The economy sucked, we were in two wars, so the incumbent party had about a 0% chance of winning (the fact McCain got 48% of the public vote is amazing). I think the attitude you describe “You voted for ALL of our ideals/ programs/ shifts in the country when you voted for me” is just BS. I certainly didn’t vote for McCain b/c I believe everything he said, I voted for him b/c he had the least amount I didn’t like.
                What the centrists wanted was economic recovery, closure in the two wars, most weren’t voting for Universal Health Care (which is why in September Obama focussed more on Economic Recovery and getting closure in Iraq and Afghanastan as priorities. If he had pushed Health Care more it would have been much closer).

                I think November will be a rude awakening for the Dems (I think you know that too), as most Americans do not want a large Government, and Government telling them what to do (vice some laws req’d for civilized nations).

                • I never said they voted for ALL of our ideals. But if you vote for democrats in droves, then don’t be surprise when they act like democrats.
                  And like you said, the republicans sh!t canned this country last decade, and after 1 freaking year under the dems the American people want to put them back in charge? This doesn’t make sense to me.

                  • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                    Dems took a REALLY sharp left hand turn, which fears most centrists. If you start to go too far one way, the pendulum swings back. I’d rather have no party in control, that way they can’t muck everything up. :-)

                    • Yeah, I agree. The parties have both become more about putting down the other side than about getting anything done. Neither party seems to stand for anything anymore. It’s very disappointing. Neither party seems to have much direction, and frankly, I don’t see the republicans doing much better whenever they take over again. It is possible that the dems pushed too hard too fast, but at the same time, they’re criticized for not getting enough done.
                      So my question is: Is there actually a right answer to getting things done? Because from health care to the economy to the war, there just doesn’t seem to be anyone with the right answer. And if there’s no right answer, we’re all arguing over nothing.

        • BAW says:

          cite, please

      • Derek says:

        OK, forget I used the word “socialism” – my point is, MLK would have found Obama’s approach offensive. But you can use name-calling instead of making an intelligent rebuttal if you want. I bet you wouldn’t call MLK a right-wing conservative nutjob.

        • Wino the Pastafarian says:

          What about Obama’s approach would be ‘offensive’? I get that MLK would disagree with some of Obama’s political views, but I am not sure offensive would be the word. I do think that MLK would be pro-state intervention in the case of defending civil rights.

          Calling Obama a ‘Neo Progressive Socialist’ was just asking for someone to be rude in response.

          • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

            I would expect Dr. King to be offended at Obama’s attitude towards race relations — specifically his overuse of the race card and his attempts to cast his critics as racists. I also suspect he would be offended, not just disagree with, Obama’s extreme pro-abortion views.

            • “Extreme pro-abortion views?” What about his views are any different than any given pro-choice person? I’ll give you that Dr. King would be pro-life, but “extreme pro-abortion” sounds a little like hyperbole to me.

              • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                NARAL didn’t oppose passage of the Born Alive Protection Act; Obama did. That’s typically something that makes all but the most hardcore pro-abortionists blanche.

                • Obama opposed the Illinois version (before the national version hit Congress) because he said the way that one was written could be used to make all abortions illegal in Illinois. He wanted language in it to protect Roe V. Wade. He also said had he been in Congress when the national bill was up for vote, he would’ve voted for it. The only question is, are the two bills actually different? I’m not taking the time to go back and read them both, but I don’t think it’s fair to call Obama hardcore pro-abortionist.

                  • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                    If it did in fact contradict Roe v. Wade, then it would have been overturned — surely a crazy smart constitutional law scholar would have realized that. Either way, I think both of those statements are BS.

                    • “Either way, I think both of those statements are BS.”

                      *shrug* Whatever then. That’s why I don’t normally take the time to research stuff for my posts. Even when I find a contradictory argument, it’s still BS. Which is fine. It’s why I like to come straight from the heart, yo.

                      • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                        Um, did you skip over my first sentence?

                        • Yes. Oh very well. Here goes. Why take that risk? If he saw it as a threat, why say “Oh well, we can overturn it later.” He saw it as a threat and voted against it. I haven’t seen the wording of the Illinois version, so that’s the real question of whether or not it’s BS. From what I’ve read and seen about the BAPA, it was pretty universally supported. Even the pro-choice groups knew better than to get in the way with the support of it.
                          Now, if Obama continued to express criticism over BAPA, that would bother me quite a bit.

                        • Okay, I’m a little distracted watching the olympic hockey game, so I apologize for kind of rambling on there.

                        • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                          The wording didn’t matter — if it truly did limit Roe v. Wade (a tired argument the abortionists trot out to shout down everything from sex trafficking legislation to highway bills), it would get struck down.

                          If BAPA had such widespread support, why *wouldn’t* he support it? Opposing such a large majority only puts a red flag on his record — unless he’s so radical that he’s never met an abortion he didn’t like.

                        • When I said it was widely supported, I was talking about the national version, not the Illinois version.
                          Well, he’s said he would’ve supported the national version of BAPA had he been in the senate at the time. Is that backpedaling? Could be. It occurred to me that it might be. He didn’t like the state version. That’s obvious. Now, the wording of the national BAPA is pretty clear. Is it the same as the state version? I don’t know. If it is the same, then Obama was either very dense, or very opposed to the idea.
                          But if the wording did originally limit Roe V. Wade, then again, I wouldn’t want to take the risk of letting social conservatives get their feet in the door for taking it down. Yes, we liberals are very worried about the conservatives really trying to do that.

                        • Oh, and it was a red flag on his record. Pro-life supporters were all over it. Didn’t make a difference in the end, but it’s a big reason people like the I-word and other militantly pro-life people like to call him a baby killer.

                        • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                          And it’s exactly that fear that lets otherwise common-sense liberals get played by extremists.

                        • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                          Thanks for proving my point. Please, explain to me how allowing an otherwise viable baby that survived an abortion to die is “militantly pro-life”. It’s a patently ridiculous notion — but you get baited into supporting it because someone shakes the *evil conservatives* rattle.

                        • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                          err, “not allowing”

                        • Okay, totally off the subject, but Dhoti just used “common sense” and “liberals” in the same sentence. That’s a first.
                          I still don’t think it’s that farfetched that the more extreme conservatives would do that. I guess I’m getting played then. *shrug*

                        • froofrou says:

                          {http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/oct/09/national-right-life-committee/2003-legislation-had-neutrality-clause/}

                          Rando, the last bill Obama voted against HAD the clause he asked for, and he voted against it anyway. It had everything he wanted: born alive protection WITH a protection clause that prevented Roe v. Wade from being overturned or changed in anyway, and he still voted against it.

                        • That is disappointing. However, at the end they did qualify it by saying it appeared that the clause he wanted wasn’t detailed enough, and Illinois added a more definitive version. Why the original clause wasn’t good enough, I don’t know. That’s pretty stupid.
                          Don’t get the wrong idea here. I didn’t even know about this born alive legislation until recently. Once I heard about it, I really liked it, for obvious reasons. I’m trying to give Obama the benefit of the doubt as I can’t see why anyone would have an issue with the born alive legislation with the proper pro-choice protection in it. I know he’s pro-choice, as am I (reluctantly). I’m hoping he really wasn’t opposed to the legislation entirely, and was just fighting for overkill on that extra clause.
                          Which is just stupid, since the wording seemed rather clear to me. Seemed like a perfectly good idea that anyone should have been able to get behind. Hmmm.

            • Wino the Pastafarian says:

              I am just curious – I don’t intend this as baiting b\c I honestly just don’t see this going on – call it confirmation bias if you like. I have no idea what you are talking about in terms of Obama’s overuse of the race card and his attempts to cast his critics as racist.

              I guess I need specific examples.

              • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                Wino it’s not OBama directly but Gibbs using it more often than not. Plus a lot of OBama supporters are fond of saying that many Americans are against Obama’s policies b/c he’s black.

              • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                Just ask any of the PK regulars — are the tea partiers a bunch of racist rednecks?

                Remember early on in the campaign, when Obama preemptively accused McCain of racism with that “funny name who doesn’t look like the white guys on the money” line? That was about as direct as he’s personally gotten, but this was a pretty well-established line during the campaign and now in the administration, never mind the Democratic Party and the media.

                • Wino the Pastafarian says:

                  If the observation on the part of pk regulars that tea partiers are racist rednecks or not determines whether MLK would have been offended with Obama’s use of the race card, I would feel let down by MLK. ;)

                  If you are saying that some national figures, including those linked to Obama have tried to cast Obama’s opponents as racist, that may be a different story. I get ILPB’s argument that others, perhaps even those close to Obama (like Gibbs), have used this line of argumentation, but as I stated earlier, I just haven’t heard of specific instances of this. This is still not Obama playing the race card.

                  This is others using it as a crutch. I am just as offended at racist liberals as I am at racist conservatives. Note: I found some of the comments by Reed and Biden on race quite unsettling.

                  I think it would be a stretch to say that Obama was accusing McCain of racism with the example you provide. Simply stating that he has a different color of skin and perhaps comes from a different background than the standard political candidate (McCain) – which IS what Obama was saying. He was advocating change from the status quo after all – or so we thought.

                  Going back to my original question; Would MLK really have been offended by this? My guess would be no.

                  • Wino the Pastafarian says:

                    fooking typos

                    “Simply stating that he has a different color of skin and perhaps comes from a different background than the standard political candidate (McCain) – which IS what Obama was saying-” is not a particularly negative or strong use of the race card.

                  • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                    Are you seriously suggesting that you can’t recall a single instance of a public figure calling criticism of Obama racially motivated? Are you just finding out that there was an earthquake in Haiti, too? Here is a link with quotes by Carter, Pelosi, and a Salon.com editor (and it’s by Media Matters, so good luck calling it conservative propaganda :) ).

                    I can’t quickly find a transcript, but you have to consider the context of Obama’s quote — which was “Now, some people are going to be afraid of me because…”, which is very obviously implying racism.

                    • Honestly, the first time I heard about Carter’s comments were here, and I had to go back and look it up. Which is pretty stupid, and honestly a copout to blame race. I honestly don’t think it would be in Obama’s best interests for the Democrats to play the race card a lot, as it might taint his entire presidency as being one long race card instead of him being judged on his own actions.

                    • dissimilitude says:

                      But how does it accuse McCain personally of racism? :???: I read it as being along the same lines as the statement Harry Reid was castigated for; it acknowledges that some racism still exists in America, which, DUH. There’s a difference between acknowledging that and accusing all you opponents of racism. Seems to me that the great majority, if not all, of the accusations of racism in criticism of Obama have come from speakers who were notably NOT Obama personally, but he gets accused of “playing the race card.”

                      I disagree with his politics, but I think, in this case, that he may be getting unfairly accused.

                      • It does seem to be the likes of Pelosi, Carter, etc (in other words, Democrats who run their mouths too much) who have been pulling that crap. In fact, I can’t remember where, but I think Obama has specifically said he wants to avoid the race card, and he doesn’t like when they do that. It just makes the Democrats look like they’re dodging the issue.

                      • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                        My mistake, I should have said “McCain voters”, not “McCain”. But if I were a Jewish candidate, and I said something similar involving anti-Semitism, wouldn’t it be interpreted as me implying that my opponent’s voters don’t like Jews? (The left accuses the right of being racist, but the loony left is most certainly virulently anti-Semitic, so it taps into the same stereotypes.)

                        Where do we draw the line between Obama and the administration? I don’t see Obama out there walking any of this back, and this has been his PR people’s central theme since the campaign. Conversely, we blamed Bush for anything Rove said, right?

                    • Wino the Pastafarian says:

                      “Are you seriously suggesting that you can’t recall a single instance of a public figure calling criticism of Obama racially motivated” that is not at all what I said -Carter, Pelosi, and a Salon.com editor ==////XX== Obama.

                      You stated “I would expect Dr. King to be offended at Obama’s attitude towards race relations”. My response is that he would be upset by other Democrats’ attitudes to

                      I did a quick search for the transcript and did not quickly find it, although I think that Diss hit this point directly on the head.

                      • Wino the Pastafarian says:

                        You stated “I would expect Dr. King to be offended at Obama’s attitude towards race relations”. My response is that he would be upset by other Democrats’ attitudes towards race relations, but I have heard nothing about Obama directly playing the race card.

                        • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                          I don’t care if it’s the party line or not — the idea that Obama, the most brilliant president evah, is a poor, maligned, powerless victim when Democrats call Republicans racist or do other politically unpleasant things that he would prefer to wash his hands of, is patently ridiculous. But if you want to use it, be my guest.

                        • dissimilitude says:

                          So in your opinion he should be more vocal in opposing those statements? I can see that…although I have gotten the impression that he just tries to lowplay any racial stuff and may feel like repudiating it just gives it more airplay, if you know what I mean. I do see what you are saying, but I’m not sure if I follow that his failure to put a stop to the statements means he secretly agrees with them.

                        • Wino the Pastafarian says:

                          “the idea that Obama, the most brilliant president evah, is a poor, maligned, powerless victim when Democrats call Republicans racist or do other politically unpleasant things that he would prefer to wash his hands of, is patently ridiculous. But if you want to use it, be my guest.” – where did this come from?

                          All I asked is whether or not MLK would be offended because I had not seen any direct use of the race card besides the one example you cite. I felt it was an over-statement.

                        • Dhoti is wanted by the Cheezburger Police says:

                          @diss: He’s the President, and they’re all in the same party. Public repudiation or not, if he wanted them to shut up about it, they’d have shut up about it a long time ago. Personally, I think he’s been in a bubble so long he actually believes it — see “our loss in Massachusetts is Bush’s fault” — but that’s just my opinion.

                          @Wino: Um, where do you think? You’re suggesting that Obama has no control over his own party whatsoever?

                        • Wino the Pastafarian says:

                          You suggesting the opposite. If Obama had any control over his party do you think we would still be discussing health care legislation.

                      • Yup, that’s pretty much what I said too, wino. The party is freaking out now that they’re back in power. Pretty f’ing stupid actually.

                  • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                    Wino: I disagree, I think MLK (speculation b/c he’s not here) would be really upset and turned off by people using the race card to defend Obama. I bet MLK would take Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, over one knee and spank the $hit out of them for being the way they are. Why? B/C they hurt their cause more than help it. From his speeches and actions to me MLK would have condemned the hwole handling of the Duke case.

                    • paws4thot says:

                      I think I’d agree with you about MLK. Certainly my view is that the “ism” bit is treating people differently because of race, sex, age or whatever, irrespective of who’s doing it or why.

        • Hey, I calls ‘em like I sees ‘em. People who spout off about Obama being a socialist are generally right wing nutjobs. Like I said, he isn’t socialist enough as far as I’m concerned.

  28. Leo Rizzuti says:

    EWA, you do realize, of course, that MLK was A REPUBLICAN, right?

    And I know I’m not the first to say it, but at least he earned his Nobel.

  29. 23 says:

    Nice selection on the picture, kind of odd using a man who risked everything for a cause and actually deserved the Nobel Prize, to make a statement in support of another man who received the prize because the Nobel committee wanted to make a statement against the prior administration. Of course the bigger statement that was made was that talk is more important than actions.

  30. Dave1212 says:

    Great pic. Many civil rights advocates consider the election of Obama part of the realization of MLK’s dream.

  31. Chris says:

    No, the election of that moron wasn’t part of mlk’s dream. His election was the greatest terrorist attack on US soil since 9-11. The attack in NY affected those killed and their immediate family members. obama’s election has negatively affected not just our economy, but the economy of other countries as well. (although except the japanese auto market)

    If mlk were here today, he would’ve said: “President? It could work, you sure can lie better than anyone I know”


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