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Are your policy positions based on anything other than political expediency?
Why were you for government healthcare in MA and against it now?
What kind of a stupid name is Mitt?
How many wives did your grandfather have?
Are you wearing your magic underwear?
(Mitt Romney)
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Mitt does interview for MSNBC/ CNN at the same time….. didn’t know that happened. Is this supposed to fall into the “Irony” category of funny or “Parody” category of funny?
Why against it? Well, probably because it’s bankrupting their state, and it caused insurance premiums to skyrocket. It’s just not going to work.
And what’s the reason for the 25 to 33% rises in premiums in ther othe 49 states then?
If you had the government trying to make your business illegal, you’d raise your prices too. Healthcare costs are determined by hospitals, not insurance companies and when the GOVERNMENT screws the hospitals out of 50% of what they charge, WHO DO YOU THINK MAKES UP THE DIFFERENCE? If you actually WORK and pay for insurance, YOU DO.
THAT IS WHY IT’S SO EXPENSIVE DUH!!!
The government is trying to make hospitals illegal?
No, silly… it’s that darker than dark shadow conspiracy wing of the government… THEY… THEY are trying to make hospitals illegal. THEY are also trying to make Cadbury Creme Eggs illegal, but that’s a WHOLE different story…
I believe that’s Peta, b/c the poor cadbury bunnies are stuck in coops all day, and have egg quotas….. Soylent Green is PEEPS!!!
link
i used to LOVE me some cadbury eggs when i was a child. I’d hunt all over the house, just knowing there HAD to be another one hidden somewhere.
lol my friend’s child was learning to talk around Easter, and learned from the commercials that bunnies said,”bock bock bock”
That is so cute AND funny!
it was adorable! but we couldn’t convince her that chickens said,” bock bock” and not bunnies.
That is awesome and full of win. That child is my hero.
this Cadbury Egg [link] is a little more morbid, not sure if i get the whole concept either…
I think he may mean the insurance industry…
actually he very clearly implies it is hospital- hospitals are getting funds cut, hospitals are who determine costs, etc…but his logic fallacy ignores that fact that most hospitals are NONPROFIT, and most GPs are making less than average in other countries- the insurance co policy of paying by test and service instead of flat fee means that SPECIALISTS make 3X the world average. Insurance Co want to place the blame anywhere but here…while Insurance co raising premiums (cause they are loosing money on all the sick pp) and made record profits in a year when more pp than ever lost healthy insurance…but we are supposed to not pay attention to facts- just nod and smile like Palin….
Specialists need to make less, GPs need to make more (so we have GPs in the system cause everyone specializes so they can pay back the major costs of med school). And we need to pay flat fee for patient care- not by the number of tests that are done. AND Insurance co also need to be regulated more heavily- they asked for it with this behavior- not bc I believe in regulation. But you cannot make RECORD profits, and complain that you are making less money! ir not enough money- that is ridiculous.
It’s a good sound bite — and even Obama has repeated it — but it’s flat-out wrong. No major insurer has reported “record profits” this quarter, or even this past year.
Your suggestions are ridiculous — even more so once it’s clear that your logic is “a company made record profits, therefore that entitles me for some reason to screw around with their operation in totally random ways”.
Perhaps, he should have worded it, “while all insurance companies are losing a major amount of customers during this recession, many are hiking up their prices in order to make significant quarterly earnings”. The argument is basically health care insurance for major profits doesn’t work for the Americans that can’t afford it. I understand you are compelled to disagree with the process and the ideologies behind this health reform effort, but you can’t deny it’s a major problem and the status quo is not sustainable.
Hey, I remember you! Still stalking and trolling me, I see. Charming to the last…
It’s too bad, because behind your poorly repeated talking point, there’s actually an interesting point worth discussing. Pity you’re not able to address it like an adult.
If i make a valid point, i’m being childish? If i respond to one of your posts, i’m automatically stalking you?
My mistake for trying to reason with a brick wall. I’ll try and keep my future posts strictly aimed towards the rational posters on PK, who can actually express themselves without just throwing out stalking accusations and childish insults when presented with opposing viewpoints.
Sorry, but “I understand you are compelled to disagree with the process, blah blah blah, I don’t like you and I really want you to care” isn’t a valid point, chief. And following me around for two days — which, recall, is what you did the last time I made the mistake of responding to you — is what makes you a stalker.
But please, by all means, keep playing the self-righteousness angle. It only makes you look like a fool.
We all post on the front page Lolz, so call that me-stalking-you if you want. You are obviously very persistent at trying to discredit those you disagree with, that’s pretty much all you do. Not just this fun piece of thread, but every post you make is negative. I’ll go ahead and let you call me a childish stalker again, and we can end this nice little conversation there. I’ve already pointed out how dumb of me it was to respond to one of your posts. I’m sure i look like a huge fool, and thanks for actually addressing my original question concerning a problem with our health care system…
How, from all of that, could I possibly have gotten the impression that you had something other than civil discourse on your mind? Silly me. My mistake, I’m sure.
Oh, and what was your question, exactly? I must have missed it somehow.
if you don’t want to bother reading it, i’m not going to bother copying and pasting it. All you have to do is scroll up to where you try and discredit someone else’s statement for using the phrase “record profit”. I corrected his “record profit” statement and acknowledged that the left and the right are compelled to disagree (which you took personally) on process and ideology, but asked if you could deny that there was a problem. I already apologized, i’m not sure why you keep replying to this thread.
4% profit isn’t exactly a windfall, nor is it abnormal.
United Health Care’s profits more than doubled (155% increase) from 2008 to 2009 according to the Wall Street Journal. Pretty impressive for a recession economy.
Close, but not quite — that was Q2 profit, not yearly profit, as you imply. You may not realize that quarterly income can be significantly more volatile than yearly income. Further, according to that same WSJ blurb, quarterly revenue rose by only 7%. When you look deeper, you find that 2008Q2 income was artificially reduced by prior-year items, including a legal settlement.
Not nearly as impressive once you learn the details, huh? So, were you being disingenuous, or merely lazy?
You did agree, of your own volition, to stop stalking me. I do wish you would keep your word. Thank you.
Stalking and honest conversation are 2 different things.
mabsba, I’m quite certain I’ve never stalked you, and I don’t recall ever referring to my behavior as such. That accusation, if untrue, is uncalled for and undignified.
Please support your accusation; otherwise I’ll be forced to conclude that you’re lying about me for petty personal reasons. Since this is at least the second time you’ve been caught doing it, that makes it an established pattern of behavior for you — which makes you a bit of a troll.
Bit of a troll it is, then.
In Dhoti’s mind, people either agree with him, or they are a troll. Never realizing that he’s the most antagonistic poster on PK, which many would agree would define him as the biggest troll here. Mabs is smart enough not to get in a sh1t slinging match with you. I however, indulge in the thought of you trying to justify your malice.
You should really try some breathing exercises. All that red faced screaming at the internet can’t be good for your blood pressure. If they’re making hospitals illegal, you won’t have anywhere to go when your heart explodes.
*visits illegal back alley hospital to get her sore throat and cough checked out*
*hands DU morphine cough syrup*
I hope my insurance covers this.
No, you’ll have to pay out of pocket for it. Too bad there’s no public option.
Crap. This mafia run health insurance sucks. It doesn’t cover anything and I still have to pay my premiums or I won’t get seen.
Well.. Hows about since it’s Friday and all we go to the club.. And get a little freaky? I’ll see you after that, and you can dip into my private stash.
Oh, I’d love to dip in your private stash. *puts on a corset and short skirt.* Lets get to it!
I hope you’re not wearing panties under that skirt.
Of course not! They would get in the way of you dipping into my stash later….
So all of those other countries that have public health care are just pretending to thrive, right?
name one! how’s Greece doing? How about England? Why do Canadians come HERE for health care? Try reading the English papers and see the stories about their great “care” moron Is Cuba “thriving?
What’s the tax rate in Denmark? If you actually think all these socialist European countries are “thriving” why don’t you move there?
I’ve often fantastized about moving to Canada, but it’s so cold. And I wonder, would I find myself bored without all the violence we have here?
P.S. Neither Canada nor Cuba are in Europe.
P.P.S. Sarah Palin went to Canada for health care.
We’ll all chip in for a jacket.
I thought gorebull warming cured that cold weather thing.
P.S. Palin’s family went to Yukon Territory, Canada for healthcare in the Sixties, the Canadian government didn’t take over healthcare in the Yukon Territory until 1972. Never mind that said facilities in Whitehorse, Yukon were hundreds of miles closer to the Palin’s home in Skagway, Alaska than comparable facilities inside Alaska. Nice try though, thanks for playing.
Not protecting plain face dude or deduette, but BoredomCorner never said anything about European Coutries thriving, just spoke of NHS and countries thriving with it…… However I would like to thank you for the geogrpahy lesson, now which continent is Australia in? Russia? Turkey? How about Iraq or Afghanastan?
“-_-” talked about “all these socialist European countries” and included Canada and Cuba in his listing. That’s a massive geography fail.
“-_-” is able to see things no one else can see… Especially when blocking out the “nano-bugs” that Obama sent to invade his brain with his tinfoil hat…
I thought my tin foil hat was supposed to protect me!!! *whimper*
Ivan got one of the defective tin foil hats….
The black helicopters should be showing up soon.
Don’t you see? The person who sold you the tinfoil for the hat was working for the government! You have to make your own tin foil from raw materials to be sure.
No! I’ve been telling you people for years! Tinfoil makes it easier for the government to read your brain and control your thoughts! You have to use LEAD if you want to be safe! Why does no one ever listen to me?! Omigod! You’ve all already been infected haven’t you? You can’t help it. They make it impossible for you to hear me when I say lead, don’t they?
LEAD! LEAD LEAD LEAD LEAD! *cries*
What?
I couldn’t hear her through my tin-foil hat.
And an even bigger political theory fail.
Ok, I will further help your education then:
Australia is a continent by itself.
Russia spans Europe and Asia, as does Turkey.
Iraq and Afghanistan are located on the Asian Continent.
Why are some people always so resistant to receiving education?
See, the same tinfoil hat he wears to keep out the “Obama Nano Bugs” doesn’t allow teh smart to get in, either…
Australia is also a country, how about that? No apple for this teacher.
Where was I resistant to edumacation.. I thanked the person…. DAMN Young ingrates today!!!
We’re also an island, and don’t forget (and I quote our former Prime Minister Paul Keating) Australia is the @rse end of the world
How could you forget that
Also we live
D’oh what happended there?
Your PM has censored your internet posting. Please refrain from saying what you were trying to say in the future. Thank you, that it all.
That wouldn’t surprise me DU. No offense CV, but freedom of expression + computers is teh ebil according to your powers-that-be from what I’ve read of the cyber-censorship laws down under.
Proposed cyber laws.
They aren’t enforceable yet and since it’s an election year this year (the PM must call an election by November 2010), we’re hoping the powers-that-be lose enough seats to prevent anything of the sort from ever being passed.
However our right to freedom of expression is kinda non-existant, mostly because we have no bill of rights. Oh the latest censorship gaffe is Stephen Conroy (the twerp with the irritating lisp who’s in charge of the Ministry of Truth) has now censored his website of any and all material relating to the proposed censorship of the internet and got caught because he didn’t hide the script used to write the filter
Idiot
‘Cause it’s elitist.
All the major political parties in Britain have had to pledge to protect the NHS its so popular.
There are regular reports of failings with the NHS but that’s because its responsible for the majority of our healthcare. If you add up all the health-care stories from the US (and then take into account population size) you’ll find a similar number of failings.
The biggest difference between the UK and US is that when someone becomes ill in the UK, their family and friends never have to raise money for treatment, reading blog’s like GMH and IMMD is a real eye-opener.
Hmm, the board seems to have eaten my original reply…
Actually, the biggest difference between the UK and the US is that the UK came out of WWII destitute and devastated, with the better part of two generations of Britons dead. It’s entirely understandable that a country in such rough shape would have made the general welfare a national priority. Here in the US, we came out of the war booming, so we stuck with what works for us.
Um, I’ll agree that the UK came through WWII with infrastructure and financial damage. But ‘destitute and devastated’ is a bit strong. From my readings, I believe that they also came through very proud of not folding during the blitz, and of their multi-theater contributions to the war. I do believe that the UK had more to do with the African and Middle-Eastern fronts of the war than the US did.
The US came out of WWII financially booming. But there were a very high percentage of former soldiers with “shell shock” and with severe physical disabilities.
I’m not downplaying the critical role they played in the war — but Britain had already nearly lost a generation to WWI, and had not only lost another huge chunk to WWII, but had a pretty extensive civilian death and damage toll, too. (For example — do you know why the UK has that goofy electrical standard with the giant plugs that contain their own fuses? After the war, so many homes needed to be rebuilt, they came up with that standard to ration wire — no central fusebox means you need half as much wire to electrify a house.)
While the US lost more soldiers than the UK in WWII, they represented a much smaller portion of our population, and our mainland was never attacked directly. All I’m saying is that, while we were both victorious, American’s thoughts were on growth and expansion, while the UK’s were on recovery and social welfare.
So, as a serious question – if there were to be a third world war (gods forbid) and the US became devastated in the same or similar manner as England, would your stance on Nationalised Health Care and welfare change?
I don’t say this to mock, I am just genuinely curious.
The board keeps eating my replies — no idea why, because there’s nothing remotely offensive in them. (Honest!) So I’ll try the short version: not those programs necessarily, but I believe we have an obligation to one another, particularly in that sort of situation. If we’re in such rough shape that job #1 is keeping society afloat, then I don’t have any problem with that.
You’re trying to say f@g aren’t you. I knew it.
Thank you for answering me honestly.
LOL, you know me — I can’t go two sentences talking about health care without dropping the gay bomb.
I know, you’re such a racist.
I hate responding to Dhoti (i’m sure i’ll get called names), but his/her/it’s point is a great one. Now if we could only get Americans thoughts focused more on recovery and social welfare as opposed to growth and expansion.
Well, of course you hate it — you come in on the defensive, guard up, hackles raised, fully expecting a fight. Who could be expected to be happy in that situation?
Instead, why don’t you just calm down first? Take a few deep breaths, put all the insults and anticipated slights out of your mind, and just make the point you want to make, calmly and rationally.
I’ll make it easy for you, without calling you names or accusing you of being emotional, childish, or a troll.
America’s thoughts focusing on recovery and social welfare would be a good thing. Please try and respond to my point before making your inevitable BS personal attacks.
That’s really not much of a point at all — if anything, it seems like a flimsy excuse to drop in and hurl some insults. Sad.
Seriously, calm down; you’ll live longer.
right, my point is invalid because it’s the opposite of yours…this is fun.
Wicket, you know that Dhoti is a right-wing-troll who uses the Bill O Reilly school of argument – don’t answer to direkt questions where you don’t have a counter-argument, stick to personal insults and accuse others of doing this to him – kind of like JAC.
Just don’t feed them any further – I am sure they will go red in the face at this comment, but maybe they can take Dhoti’s advice and “calm down”? Suppose not, though.
What’s wrong with growth and expansion? We need it for a recovery and social welfare.
It seems the opposite to me, without a focus on recovering from the recession and a dedication to the social welfare of our citizens that are already in dire needs, there will be only slow to nhil growth or expansion. It seems one focuses on what we already have, while the other focuses on trying to grab more.
How can we have a recovery without growth? Recovering from a recession would mean new jobs (since so many are unemployed) and new businesses pumping money and goods/services into the economy. Social welfare in most cases would take care of itself by people earning a living again. The worst cases where people need a hand are already handled by the government. We could just be arguing over semantics but growth is necessary to move things forward. It’s not a bad thing. No growth would be stagnation and that’s what we have now because of excessive tax and fears of excessive tax.
Indeed just semantics, where I was using “recovery” as getting us back to when the decline started, where i think you were using “growth” as getting us back to when the decline started. And I guess, any increases in social welfare spending would as well be considered expansion of existing policies. My main point was a focus on healing the injury before returning to the game, to use a lame sports metaphor.
Hey, Wicket, you got your avatar AND your website link back! Congrats!
I went back to the PK approved host instead of hosting my own. Our little conversation last night convinced me, so thanks for jabbering with me about it.
Yay. Me so helpful.
Canada has 30 million people, the united states had 300 million.
In europe for extremely rare conditions it’s ‘usual’ (if you can call it that) for people to be referred to another european country for treatment.
Canada refers people to the united states and vice versa; only 10x less often in the second case, presumably.
And as for “name one”, how about every single developed country in the world other than the united states?
… And how is the united states “thriving” with 10% unemployment and a lower median income for those that are employed vs nearly every western european country?
And why are you assuming you could “move there” given that even england turns back thousands of americans every year?
Can you give a cite on that? I had never heard that before.
Why do we have so many Americans coming across the border with fake ID for healthcare here*? Just curious.
*”Here” is Canada.
Switzerland is doing pretty good, so are Sweden and Norway and Germany and France. England’s economic problems are not health care related but forex related and industry related. If our health care is so great then why does the USA have one of the lowest life expectancy rates of the industrialized world. The cost of health care is related to much more than just the hospitals. And even then, the hospital costs are significantly driven by the cost of emergency room visits by uninsured patients.
Let’s be clear here. The increase in the cost of insurance and the cost of health care are both closely linked to the profit in each industry. Both of these industries should be run as not for profit institutions.
I don’t have any problems with nurses and doctors making ungodly piles of money, they earn it. I don’t have any problem with a technician inventing new medical devices and profiting from them, that helps all of us. I don’t have any problem with hospital administrators making a fair wage for doing their jobs; someone has to keep the schedules straight and make sure there are enough tongue depressors in stock.
Still, I have no idea why an insurance CEO should make 1.4 Billion dollars in four years. I’m sure you could hire a thousand decent administrators for that price, which would benefit the economy a lot more than one guy making that does.
Most hospitals ARE not for profit as are some insurance companies like Blue Cross or Kaiser (I think). Still they have problems due to government interference because of underpayments (medicare for one). Rising costs are a result.
Blue Cross changed in 1994 to allow its various entities in different states to be for-profit. Kaiser, while technically not-for-profit, acts as an umbrella for for-profit medical groups. Its hospitals are not-for-profit. Many hospitals in our state have been purchased by for-profit medical groups of various kinds.
Most hospitals I know of are not for profit, which makes sense. The point is, they still have to raise rates for some reason, a lot has to do with medicare.
You mean the gubberment not re-imbursing the hospitals or doctors for treatment of a patient.. that’s impossible. The gubberment will FIX this problem they helped create…… don’t you know that. B/c State Run anything is SOOOO successful…. **note sarcasm*
Yes, if we just let them take control of EVERYTHING, then they will fix it, see?
How many cases of corporate malfeasance, waste, and embezzlement will I need to come up with to convince you that the problem is PEOPLE, not the structure they’re part of? It’s not just government, people.
As a second point, (and yeah, I’m trolling here), why do we let people who think government never works properly run for office, or take positions running government institutions? IMO, these people have no incentive to run their positions well, since they’re convinced governments are all automatically bad.
Its not only that they are convinced that governments are run badly, but that they have a stake in showing that governments are inefficient. /troll
*Quacks at self*
So, having reduced the problem to the one element that (conveniently) can never be changed, we should just go ahead and vote for whatever gives us more free stuff.
Sounds reasonable to me.
Exactly, its that easy.
Don’t worry, that provides Republicans with an excuse for providing bad governance. The Democrats don’t have an excuse. They are just bad at it.
LMAO@ Wino.
Dhoti: We always strive to be better. Only one side writes the effort off as doomed to failure. Why let them try, when they admit defeat before they even get elected? Wino summed it up nicely for me.
The problem is that government has authority, it has guns and can make us do things or put us in jail, private sector not so much. Since the problem is people, we don’t want government having more power than it needs to, their function should be to protect us from private sector when needed.
You mean like how the Government made it harder to file for bankruptcy while during that same time frame banks made it easier to get credit people couldn’t afford (thanks to deregulation)? If I didn’t know better I’d think maybe the Government were beholden to its purse strings and not the people it is supposed to protect…
That’s also a bad problem… I think a lot of the weird credit card stuff had artificially inflated our economy which may have helped to cause the current recession. No one’s buying now!
I think we should just burn it all down and start over.
I agree, let’s just wipe the slate clean! I would love my mortgage paid off. Now that would boost the economy!
ILPB, according to the script I’ve written, we’re supposed to have a sword fight on a rope bridge over a river of molten lava. “There can be only one!”
The biggest unreimbursed costs in our local hospitals is ER care.
Which is usually done by the Government. Most insurance companies already have set planes in palce for ER fees and pay aoccordingly. However sometimes it’s up to the person when insurance won’t cover that, however most ER costs not coverred by Insurance is coverred by the gubberment due to the “safety” or what-not.
What govt entity is paying ER costs?
In Massachusetts, there used to be fund for paying back the various hospitals for emergency care of the uninsured. I don’t think that fund came from the Federal govt…? That fund no longer exists, as it was instead re-budgeting to help with the state-wide initiative to have everyone insured. But there are still folk coming to the ER without insurance, and the hospitals in those areas are squawking.
I think ILPB is assuming the person has insurance. That’s the gist I get from it. Big assumption.
Well, I can only go by what the hospitals themselves say, and they don’t say anything about the govt paying them. Just that they get unpaid bills out the wazoo from their ERs. I do know there’s no state equivalent of what VG mentioned. It’s really desperate for rural areas (not just in this state) because if an ER closes, sometimes it’s a long way to the next one. It’s already a long way for a lot of people.
Mabs is right, if a hospital has to raises it’s rates, it’s most likely because of a need to financially compensate for the treatment of uninsured patients who show up in Emergency Rooms. The hospitals are required by law, both legislatively and morally, to treat death threatening injuries until a stable condition is reached before they can legally be released from care.
And those are one of the biggest reasons that we’re all going to be required to have health insurance.
USA has lowest life expectancy rate b/c of three things; McDonalds, KFC, and Oreos. It’s called Obesity, NOT bad Health Care.
Not even close.
Out of the 192 United Nations, America ranks #38 for HIGHEST life expectancy rate. The ones with the lowest are all riddled with poverty, hunger, and disease.
Just Stop Trying: capsrd said “If our health care is so great then why does the USA have one of the lowest life expectancy rates of the industrialized world.”
And I was saying it wasn’t b/c of our Health Care but our life style, BIG DIFFERENCE! Note the key word that invaldiates your post (but could be included in your point) is “industrialized”. But it’s ok, you can stop trying now.
“But it’s ok, you can stop trying now.”
You said “USA has lowest expectancy rate”, and I simply showed that it didn’t, definitely valid to your comment. Cute retort, though.
In response to someone’s comment. Must take whole of conversation into context there or else you end up with little to no undestanding of the conversation. It’s ok though… you might get it. Is that cuter, or should I shake my a$$ too?
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Work, work, work, Señora!!
“So you have no frame of reference here, Donny. You’re like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know…”
hey now… i’m nice and fit and way skinnier than average and i had oreos for breakfast today.
those 3 things are not necessarily bad. it’s all about moderation and not eating a whole container of oreos for breakfast… 2 or 3 won’t hurt you though.
Fine: USAers are dying b/c of Obesity/ Heart Disease/ Chidlren with Handguns/ Drunk Drivers/ Drivers period/ Stupidity (what other country invents Extreme Sports to the extent of America)…. is that better Shorty….
yep, much better. now i’m going to eat the rest of the package of oreos for lunch…
(not really, but i might have one as an after lunch treat)
ILPB,
Sorry, it’s not the MickeyDees, KFC, or even peanut butter. Our life expectancy “statistic” is heavily influenced by vehicular fatalities and homicide.
If one is looking for a measure of health care effectiveness, life expectancy statistics are absolutely meaningless. Try looking at cancer survival rates and comparing that to the Eurozone.
The Danish tax rate is high, but one does not have to save massive amounts of money to send one’s children to college (free) or to cover nursing home, in house or health care at the end of life (free). I have umpteen cousins in DK (my father was one of 11), and they all speak fluent English, but none wants to immigrate to our country due to the lousy health care and education systems.
However the one thing missing is a true Freedom of Choice, especially in education. That is one thing that America has over any other country in the world, choice of post HS Graduation Education.
I would fear (especially in this country) any politician truely controlling education, and that is what would happen in THIS country if politicians were to “pay” for someone’s education. Look at the federal takeover of the Banks and GM, stipulations AFTER the moeny was taken. I would not put it past either a Democrat or Republican to push a political agenda in Colleges IF they were 100% funding said college.
So America doesn’t have state education then?
Right over the head…. VG is talking on a federal level….
But to answer your strawman:
Yes we do, however it is always pushed by local politics. See MS where the prom was cancelled b/c a chick wanted to wear a tux and bring her gf. Or how about the battle about Creationism and Evolution. Just look at what’s going on in difference of cririculums in conservative areas vs liberal areas. So now imagine THAT in fighting and bickering on a National Scale, where a citizen ahs an even smaller voice………
Denmark has plenty of fighting on political ideas…but it a ‘slightly’ smaller country.
Where do we not have freedom of choice in our education?
…Oops. I’m assuming the Danish system works as ours does. :p Oh well. At least our taxes are very nearly as high as theirs.
I actually don’t know the details of the Danish education system, except that you have to apply for college…but don’t have to pay if you get in.
Yeah. From what info I’ve found it seems very similar to ours. So I don’t understand where the lack of freedom of choice comes in regarding the Danish system either, then.
I think it came from the same source as the rest of the ranting above.
Apparently you all have no say in your choice of university.
I just realised one way in which that is true. We can’t decide “I want to go to Chalmers” and then pay our way in there, we have to actually have the grades to get accepted to the education we’re applying for. So yeah – we don’t have the freedom of choice in that way, I suppose.
Super Nintendo Chalmers?
Yes, we have the same pesky restrictions — unless of course your family has enough money to buy your way in.
Yeah, um, where are you getting your sources on this PB? The “Freedom of Choice” thing.
freedom to tickle charro!!!
*giggles and runs in circles*
I can make up “freedoms” too. Like “Freedom to Pee in My Own Backyard” or “Freedom to Nap During My Lunch Break.”
We’re not free to pee in our own backyards!?
…
I’m not really sure.
In the eleven or twelve hundreds someone wrote a lovely poem about what was considered good manners. It is perfectly acceptable to piss in your own dinning hall, but when visiting friends you shouldn’t piss in their hall. That’s just rude.
Methinks you are forgetting that “Healthcare” here in America isn’t perfect either.
Well, why do many of those countries have a lower per-capita cost for health care, and yet higher standard of living?
It certainly has nothing to do with a mixed economy.
Are you saying we shouldn’t mix economies? Are you some sort of economy segregationist? RACIST!
Dude, I am Canadian and I don’t know anyone who would go to the US for healthcare. Why would we? Why would we take the time to travel out of country and pay money for something we could get free in our own town?
That being said, in specialty cases you will find people seeking out particular doctors once and a while.
How about ASKING someone from the UK what they think of the NHS?
I frikkin LOVE it. I’ve got so many things wrong with me that I couldn’t ever afford to pay for private healthcare, which means I would be left to suffer in your system.
Over here I don’t get charged for when I get rushed to A&E, my medications are dirt cheap and I don’t have to pay to see a doctor or for surgery.
So yeah, our system IS better because it means everyone can get treated. Far too many of my US friends can’t even afford the medications I’m on, so they live in pain all the time.
Norway and Sweden are doing excellent! Thank you for taking an interest! Would you like to hear about their healthcare, their low crime rate, their high literacy rate, their low abuse rates, or should we start with how organizations are constantly rating them amongst the top nations for quality of life!
And of course rich Canadians come here for Healthcare. If you had tons of money and wanted to be treated not as an equal, but as more than the mere “working class” wouldn’t you come to the country that boasts giving some of the best treatment in the world to the rich? American’s healthcare system is broke: our medical abilities are just fine but that’s not the problem. The problem is we’re not all wealthy Canadians who can leave their universal healthcare system to come and get Extra Special Platinum care whenever we’re sick. Most of us are struggling to get by, most of us are running out of ways to spread around cash to pay for insurance, and most of us would like to see the government take some interest in the basic living conditions of the citizens it is meant to protect.
Giving great healthcare to the rich might be something to be proud of, but I would rather claim that my country didn’t let thousands go uninsured than get to boast, oh, well here in America we think you’re health is only worth what you can pay.
Fixed that for ya.
It bothers me that one politician, from one of the poorest provinces in Canada, chooses to go south for a heart surgery that they didn’t have the facilities for in his home province, and suddenly everyone is talking like we all run down to the states every time someone gets a case of the sniffles.
For the record, we do quite well up here in terms of medical research, and cutting edge medical tech. You may have more research being done over all, but you also have 10x the population we do. Except for the extremely wealthy (7 figure or more per year) who believe their wealth entitles them to more immediate care; for most Canadians, including those who originally opposed universal health care, you would have to pry our government run, single payer, socialized medicine from our cold dead hands, thank you very much.
We have a friend who may be traveling to Europe for a new MS treatment that is not available here, if they can afford it. The reasoning expressed by so many that you refer to, Green Beard, would say that US medical care is obviously behind the European system since a person is traveling from here to there for treatment.
Where do you buy your ties?
Is your hair made of glass?
According to a story he told Letterman the other night, yeah, I think so!
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6260797n
Wow.
It’s like your mind has created a completely different world for itself to inhabit.
That’s not exactly easy to pull off. Congratulations.
mindless obama clone. Get thee hence.
*Removes yourbrain from gene pool using her M-14*
*texts Andy: I got fresh troll brains on the Mitt LOL. The head’s intact so you can use it as a bowl.*
I missed it! You kept the head though right? mmmm, like the monkey brains in Temple of Doom.
I think the voices are telling you things. Ebil things.
Quack.
I’ve found an @$$-hatted conservatroll! May we burn him?
It’s amazing. My IQ dropped into the negative just by reading your post.
Mr. Madison, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Billy Madison FTW.
Happy Gilmore pwns Billy Madison
I’m sorry but you’re wrong. There are no penguins or bags of flaming poo in Happy Gilmore. It also lacks Chris Farley, and John McEnroe (Though Bob Barker is awesome). Furthermore the lead actress in Billy Madison is hotter.
O’doyle rules!
But Happy morphs Hockey with Golf…. Not to mention a Kiss mask AND Lando, ANY movie with Lando will beat out Chris Farely. Plus the chick in Happy is hotter in my eyes, AND you see her in a corset and thigh highs…. nuff said. Happy wins.
I disagree, it’s a very good game, but I think Donkey Kong is the best game ever.
Shampoo is betta!!!
Stop looking at me schwan!
Donkey Kong sucks!
Happy is a better movie overall, but Billy Madison is way more quotable.
*McEnroe was in Mr. Deeds. I meant Steve Buscemi.
True. But Happy Gilmore has one quote that pwns the rest.
“The price is WRONG, B*TCH!!!!”
Raise your hand if you want Adam Sandler to go back to making movies like Billy Madison & Happy Gilmore and to stop attempting to make movies with something resembling a plot.
*raises hand*
Although I really did like “Reign Over Me”.
A simple “Wrong” would have done just fine.
Sarah Palin went to Canada for health care when she was, like, six years old. Are we really going to hold it against her for something her parents forced her to do (not like she could drive her self to the doc or pick where she wanted to go at such a young age)… if so, then Obama really IS a Muslim, since he lived in Indonesia as a child. Please.
Veering back on topic… this LOL is pretty funny. Except for the slurs against Mormons… but, wait. Mormonism is a branch of Christianity and therefore not only worthy of ridicule but said ridicule is expected! Silly me… religious tolerance only counts when dealing with religions deemed “protected.”
As far as I know not a single christian denomination (catholic, protestant or orthodox) consider mormonism to be christian.
It has about as much connection to christianity as islam does.
Sqwirk: Actually Mormons are a branch of Christianity, some sects within Christianity might deem them a Cult. Also there are MANY different Protestants and Orthodox, all believeing different things, the only singular in your phrasing is Catholic. And the Pope has yet to weight in on that one.
It’s not about whether they are a “cult”.
It’s that they have a ‘new revelation’ and a book that comes after the new testement.
Just like Islam.
After a quick dig on the Interweb, I’ve found that Mormons are Christians; they just believe that there are further prophetic revelations which have been made since Revelations. If that’s a stretch for you…
Yes, they believe that after the ascension, Jesus came to north America to bring the gospel to the Native Americans. Many of them also believe that Quetzalcoatl (the Aztec feathered serpent god) was actually Jesus. And yes, they wear the magic underwear. I have Mormon relatives, I’ve seen it in person.
Since some people insist on ridiculing things they don’t understand or agree with, (ie the very mature “magic underwear” phrase being tossed around), I feel like enlightening some of you on behalf of my morman friends, hope they don’t mind. Those are a symbol, to help them remember promises they made to the Lord and themselves to keep his commandments. Not all of them wear them, its a personal symbolic gesture that no one knows about but them. But go ahead and mock it, just don’t pretend you are a trolerant and open minded person if you do.
Trollerant?
Is there a magic bra? This underwire is killing me …
I’m available for hourly rates. I provide great all natural support without the wires.
Wicketpedia: the wicket wonderbra made of wireless wicker, while wickedly itchy, wicks away moisture as it whips up wolf whistles
wow, what a wonderfully written writeup whilst winking at my unwarranted witty ways.
The “bra” is actually a tank top with tiny cap sleeves. I believe they can come with an underwire, but my sister just wears a regular bra under hers. The bottoms are like bike shorts, and go midway down the thigh.
The men’s can be one or two pieces, and are basically a t-shirt/boxers combo. Both the men’s and women’s have special Mormon protection symbols sewn into the front of the chest.
As I understand it, once you’ve been baptized in the Temple (which non-Mormons cannot enter, which is why I could not attend my own sister’s wedding), you are required to wear the special underwear at all times after that. My sister forgoes hers in rare moments when she’s feeling “rebellious”. Sammich is correct though, in that the underwear is a personal symbol and reminder to Mormons of their faith. The women’s garments particularly also ensure modesty, by preventing women from wearing revealing clothes.
Underwear that prevents you from wearing clothes seems like a great idea.
By the way, Revelations wasn’t written last. It was just placed at the end of the book where they compiled some, but not all, of the apostles’ writings.
The Koran builds on the Old Testament…….
However the Book of Moromon is a continuation of the New Testament, ie we believe in Christianity, but believe that the Bible should include more.
The one firm belief in Christianity is that Jesus was the Son of God and Died on the Cross for our sins. Which is why Mormons are Christians.
Your rational thought and reasonable ideas have no place in this argument! *sarcasm*
I’m sorry, do my facts also get in the way?
They make people think rationally, which is boring if you ask me. >:)
Actually facts tend to make trolls angrier (not that I’m calling Sqwirk a troll), but usualy a passerby troll might read it and get mad (ie cult comment).
I think text angers trolls, hence their behaviour on the internets.
I don’t think mainstream Mormon faith is a cult under any definition.
Cults either have layers of secret knowledge. Like the ancient mystery cults or groups like scientology.
Or have an all pervading unquestionable leader figure (cults of personality).
Or they sequester their group from wider society and prevent those within from leaving. Most religions have cult-like subgroups that fall under this definition e.g. home-schooling evanglicals, ultraorthodox jews, polygamist mormon sects etc.
Mainstream mormon faith doesn’t do any of these things.
I still think it’s a new religion tho. It’s too different from the other christian faiths.
It has an extra religious book and while (unlike Islam) it does consider Jesus to be god and not a prophet, it does have a very different take on what that is.
It’s at least as far away from the core beliefs shared by protestant/catholic/orthodox christianity as groups like arianism and catharism were.
then what makes a religion “Christian”? As a Mormon I can tell you that we believe that Jesus is the son of God and that salvation comes only through his atonement. I won’t deny that we’re very different, but I do find it strange when someone else tells me I’m not a Christian.
Not as strange as hearing people tell Catholics they aren’t Christians.
PS I think it’s rather strange for anyone to instruct anyone else on what their religious beliefs mean; who should know better than you what YOU believe in, after all. But I feel the same way about people who go around proselytizing because they’re saying that my beliefs are not correct and theirs are.
I don’t mind the proselytizers, I look at it as though they feel like they have something really important to tell everyone. Like maybe they found a gold mine and they’re trying to give you a map so you can get some too. Plus it’s always fun to talk to new people.
I work at home most of the time, so it’s like having someone come into your office and interrupt you. And unless you are absolutely, incredibly rude to them, they just come back the next month. (Actually they might still. I’ve never tried it. I can’t bring myself to be that nasty to them, even though I’ve heard it works.) Besides, I am happy with my religious beliefs and don’t need any help with them.
just as long as you don’t eat their brains. eating missionary brains is frowned upon
sorry, that was for Andy
as far as I know absolutely, incredibly rude is the only way to get more than a one month break. Sorry, they are just young and enthusiastic
Well, I was thinking about storing the shotgun by the front door and answering with that in hand.
BTW, that’s the main reason I know of for people not liking the LDS church. If they didn’t insist on doing that, most people wouldn’t even think that much about them. But that’s the image of the church: annoying people who want to tell you that YOUR religion is wrong. It’s a lot like having someone tell you that you’re not a Christian.
Handy tip. Thanks, mormon girl.
My mother had one pair of missionaries in for weekly lunch and theology. She really liked one of them, and she told them that she would be happy to talk with and feed them so long as they realized she wasn’t converting. We think the fellow in question was the deceased son of Orrin Hatch…but hope not.
@Mabs – I see your point, and will admit to having dodged the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ missionaries.
(haven’t learned how to do cool smiley faces yet)
I vote we all take Andy’s view and see it as an opportunity to make new friends with a different view of things.
check my link MG. It has all the smileys and how to use them.
MG,
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Naw, I have no interest in so wasting my time. (Don’t get me wrong; my husband has lots of scouting buddies who are LDS. I mean wasting my time listening to other people talk about THEIR religion.) Maybe I’ll borrow my neighbor’s dog — a big wuss, but she looks like a rottie.
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Fancy smancy Wicket with links and all!
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i can't tell if thats suppose to be a sad (with a tear) or a stuffy "educated" one eye'd spectacle. I tried Google and couldn't come up with anything.
It’s the little ninja symbol…for the boys. ‘Cause you ninja’ed me.
You know the art of the ninja is invisibility, you could use that technique to avoid any religious door to door conversion attempts instead of the shotgun, although i admit, i like the shotgun idea. The only door to door annoyances I have on a regular basis, is college students trying to sell me magazine subscriptions. “I can win a trip overseas….” sorry bud, you’d have better luck selling me cancellations to my current subscriptions.
The reason I reconsidered the shotgun idea is that I don’t believe in leaving firearms unsecured. However, I do have a toy gun that looks just like a .22 rifle. It’s not as if I want to shoot them, so it should suffice.
We have the misfortune of having both a recently built LDS temple AND a JW one (whatever they call theirs), hence the annoying people.
No, no to get rid of door knockers you need a cow
As a kid I used to have a cow that would come up and chew (I literally mean chew) someone she hadn’t tasted before and because you had to walk 250m up the driveway in full view and reach of the cow the churchies and politicians only successfully made it to our front door on 2 separate occasions.
The first were a couple JW’s (persistant old ladies) but were met by my dad (who has no tolerance for religious types) after introducing themselves my dad just locked the door and quietly moved to the gate separating the house from cow and just opened it. The look on their faces was absolutely priceless as they were chased out
The second was our local MP campaigning for re-election. He was clever he drove his car up to the top of the paddock, the cow then proceeded to chew his car instead, it lost a mirror, paint was badly damaged and there were dents everywhere but at least his suit was slobber free, he was invited in for tea and cookies while the cow tried to dismantle his car
he was fine about it though apparently he was a rural type.
All the others would see this great big cow galavanting up to them and usually turn tail and run.
Oh and I’ve heard geese work terrifically as well (ganders can be hugely territorial) just in case you don’t have the room for a cow, they’re more productive and tastier than dogs
Side mirrors…..mmmmm……
If I’m ever plagued by religious salesmen I intend to put up a sign on my lawn saying “Religious salesmen disturbing the occupant will immediately be sent to their afterlife of choice.”
well, you are obviously uneducated about Mormons as i am one. And its nothing like Islam, you idiots. We are not a cult.
I didn’t say it was a cult, did I?
It’s a new (19th century) religion that arose from christianity, much like Islam did 1300 years before.
What’s wrong with that?
Sqwirk, someone’s special underwear is in a twist; I don’t think you are going to get anywhere with reason.
I think they’re stating by implication that they consider Islam a cult rather than a pretty darn major world religion. Niiiice.
Yes, I see. I missed that. I was taken in by Sqwirk’s attempt at reasoning with someone who’s frothing. I still give him props for that.
i prefer lucky rocketship underpants to “special underwear”
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RIP calvin and hobbes. best. comic. strip. ever.
Rocketship Underpants… I’m sensing a viable defense for Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab… wait… that could put me on Liz Cheney’s “Al Queda 69″ list…
I just like the word “underpants”. It has a funny.
yep, underpants is always funny.
Sqwirk: I think that was aimed at me. I used the word Cult, b/c yes there are some bands of Christianity that have deemed Mormonism a cult.
From what I know of early Mormonism I would definitely say it was a cult. Emphasis on was.
Uhh, Mormons believe in Jesus Christ, he is the center of their religion, just read the official name of thier church “The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints”, the people who think Mormons are not Christians are retarded!
It’s not really a slur. The question is about a practice that has been a valid part of Mormonism in the past, and is still practised more covertly to this day. A slur would be more along the lines of how many Osmonds to you have to bang to achieve High Hoohah-ness with the Church of LDS?
Do we get to pick the Osmond? Donny is kinda smarmy, Wayne and Allen are old, Jay is still kinda hawt, as is Jimmy.
Don’t know too much about the hundreds of kids…..
Marie is still lookin’ smokin’ hawt.
Matter of opinion, m’lad, matter of opinion. Personally the giant country singer hair and Makeup-by-Benjamin Moore don’t do a thing for me.
*gigglesnort* Benjamin Moore makeup!
Does anybody remember Donny O in “The Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat”?
He was not kinda smarmy. He was hot.
Nope. Sorry. Smarmy.
“The question is about a practice that has been a valid part of Mormonism in the past, and is still practiced more covertly to this day.” The first part is correct. Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, USED to practice polygamy. The second part is false. Members of the LDS faith DO NOT practice polygamy and have not for close to TWO HUNDRED years. If any member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is caught practicing polygamy, they are excommunicated.
I have been a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints my whole life, I have studied my religion, and I am the one and ONLY wife to a man who is also a member of the same church.
I hate it when parents force their children to get the best medical care available within traveling distance. They should be waterboarded.
And Obama is a Muslim because they took Sarah to Canada? Yeah that makes loads of sense. I am finally beginning to see.
Quack.
@ CMS: Boo-hoo, QQ moar n00b! Roughly 80% of Americans identify themselves as Christians, so you’re just about the least oppressed and ignored group in this whole country. Don’t sh!t a brick whenever someone makes a snide remark about your religion, and maybe people will start respecting it more.
Well No1……. not that I agree with CMS… but look at the fact the Jesus Christ is probably one of the most mocked religious symbols in this country. And the fact that the majority of the US Media refused to print the Mohammed cartoon (as to not piss off the mulsims) however flout pictures of the Virgin Mary made out of elephant dung kind of shows me the hypocrisy and anti-christian movement within the American media and liberal mindset. But to reiterate CMS is a dumbfvck.
The point is that the most prominent religion in a region WILL be mocked, simply because it’s the most prominent religion. Being mocked in no way means the group is “oppressed” as Mr. CMS seems to believe they are. Although you do have a right to be offended, there’s nothing illegal happening.
Careful — you’re getting dangerously close to “only minority groups need to be respected” territory. If you’re saying that a particular mockery of Jesus is okay, whereas that same mockery of, say Muhammad, Elijah, or the Buddha would not be okay, then there’s a problem.
In no’s defense **lops off Dhotis’s head** There can be only one!!!!!
If you mock Muhammad you probably get blown up, so that takes care of that one.
Fear is the mind killer….
I must not fear..
People do mock the prophet, quite often in fact. For example – click
The reason those cartoons are so noteworthy — and why the artist and the paper were so courageous — is that people don’t do it often, and when they do, it has a negative impact on their life expectancy.
True. But people do mock the prophet and will mock the prophet in the future. I would assume that it will become more commonplace in the short-term future, rather than less (hard to imagine less). If nothing else the spread of those particular images around the world and in numerous different periodicals has been quite extraordinary.
Once again, this deviates from your original point, so have free reign to ridicule me now.
First, you said that people do mock the prophet “quite often”. Now, you’re saying that people will mock the prophet more often at some point in the unspecified future. Which is it — are they doing it now with impunity or not?
On the contrary, I think it’s quite easy to imagine there being less criticism in the future — events like the attempted murder of Kurt Westergaard’s and the successful murder of Theo van Gogh have a rather chilling effect on free speech.
I do see how you may interpret that my agreeing with you by stating that what you said is True, would be the same as disagreeing with you – I overstated how often muslim critiques occur in public media.
I then stated that I think it is hard to imagine less critiques than there are currently (because as we just agreed there are almost none). It is possible to imagine a chilling effect from these events (van Gogh’s murder was now 6 years ago), but if there is practically nothing then it is somewhat difficult to imagine being less than nothing, my poorly argued earlier point.
I do think there will be increasing future critiques – this is a prediction. As is brought up on PK message boards all the time, many people make fun of things they are uncomfortable with. If you search the number of cases of re-printing of those cartoons in just the US it is somewhat impressive. Not to mention that they cartoons are easily found via the internet (where one can be semi-anonymous). There are also clear examples of individuals mocking Jihadists/terrorists that overlaps with critiques of Islam, but are usually written off as mockign terrorism rather than Islam.
dmn it! – pressed add too early. I wasn’t quite done, but it gets the points across.
I think the mocking is not specifically directed at Jesus (caveat – I am an atheist), but is directed more so at all the ridiculous people who are thanking Jaaaaysus for getting some form of ball through some form of goal-scoring equipment, for winning a cheesy award for selling the most units of really bad music or saving them from disease (as opposed to science, which actually did the work). Believe me, if those fools weren’t adding a sheen of tacky veneer to Christianity, then the word Christianity wouldn’t induce a shuddering cringe in a really quite small segment of the population.
You mean the Rolling Stones Magazine cover witha picture of Kanya Wets bearing a Crown of Thorns in a jesus pose, you mean Buddy Christ from Dogma (love the movie but woudl we ever see a “Buddy Mohamed”?), calling Christianity a Fairy Tale (seen it on here many a times), etc…. let’s not forget I’m not a religious person (Anti-Rando; conservative non-religious), but I also get tired of the constant mockery that people dole out on Christianity, but won’t do it say to Islam, Buddism, Wiccan, or on e of the liberal “in” religions.
Not saying it never happens, but Jesus is mocked (though I don’t actually consider those examples to be mockery) far less than the Jaaaaysus shouters.
And when those other countries stop killing their citizens randomly, I would be willing to bet that they’ll be seeing the odd Mohamed or Buddah cartoon/magazine cover. Religion has been the subject of whatever art is currently popular through the ages and there is no reason to assume that it’s going to stop any time soon – nor should. Better than people comfortably believe what they need to believe and shake their heads pityingly at those who are going to hell for their mockery, rather than live to be offended and angry at things that really don’t matter in the big picture.
You do realize that people’s religion is a Big Picture item to them. So I wouldn’t call mcking someone’s total belief system is a “little picture”.
I’m sorry a spoiled egomanical brat posing as Jesus to me is a mockery. Buddy Christ is mocking Jesus….. those are a few examples, how about the picture of the Virgin Mother made out of elephant dung, that is a mockery. Actually Jesus is usually mocked to get at the christian right, to provoke them. I just find it interesting when it’s done to Christians “it’s the norm or Ok” b/c they are “the majority”, however when that same mockery is done to different religions it’s “Shameful” an “afront”, “bigotted”… etc…… the hypocrisy is what stinks to me.
Couldn’t have said that any better myself. Thank you ILPB.
Ditto; well said. Maybe I’ll let you lop my head off after all.
“Buddy Christ is mocking Jesus”
Well, to be fair, I think that was more mocking the way some larger Christian denominations have made ad campaigns, etc., designed to get people to join or return to their denomination by trying to make it seem “fun” or “accessible”…. in other words, it’s mocking the humans involved in coming up with ideas like that to attract new or return attendees, rather than actually mocking Jesus.
Portraying Jesus as poor is probably offensive to Pat Robertson.
Pat Robertson is offensive to Pat Robertson.
Pat Robertson would probably say Christ was going to hell for not being as Christian as he is, since you know, Jesus was a Jew.
And Jesus played with the lehpurs!!!
The whole movie Dogma was designed to mock organized religion, specifically the Roman Catholic church, but it could be applied elsewhere. I never got the impression watching that movie that Kevin Smith showed any disrespect for Christ himself, in fact it portrayed him (via Rufus’ stories) as a pretty cool guy.
Yeah, that’s what I got too. In fact, that movie made me like Jesus more.
I think it also makes a valid point – Catholicism is rather doom n gloom. I’m much more impressed with Buddy Jesus. Jesus was probably more like that anyway.
My brother-in-law, a former Catholic, says that Catholicism is the leading cause of atheism.
My mother, as a former-Catholic-now-Atheist, would agree. She says the natural end to Catholicism is Atheism.
ILPB is right. Christians might still be the majority, but mocking and insulting Christianity is the hip, cool thing to do these days. And I don’t like it in the slightest.
Oh go pray to your fairy god mother or something!!!!
I kid I kid….
Bibbity Bobbity boo.
*turns ILPB into a pumpkin*
Witch! He’s a witch!
*turns DU into a pumpkin*
Oh come on us Jews take the p*ss out of our own religion as well (Mel Brooks, Billy Crystal etc) the trick is to do it tastefully in a self-depracating manner while still being as offensive as possible, Springtime for Hitler anyone? But we don’t go calling for Mel Brooks to be crucified, in fact the only time we have asked the establishment to crucify one of our comedians for making a mockery of our religion was about 2010 years ago
guess we learned our lesson the hard way 
You know, I’m offended at anything Kanye does.
So, if Christians would just shut up and never made a public comment about their belief, they would not be mocked. Maybe if they just disappeared they could be tolerated?
Exactly….. didn’t you know that? Toleration is conformation. Now you get it…. you my friend are a liberatard!!!
(Note not all liberals are liberatards just those that preach tolerance and then turn around and ridicule christians.)
Well, I always secretly coveted one of those “dirty librul cards”…
No one is asking the xtians to disappear, just to stop shoving their religion down our throats via the government. When xtians tolerate us and our beliefs (or lack thereof) it will be reciprocated.
So you want the government to force your beliefs on the people so that…the people will be free from having beliefs forced on them by the government? Makes a ton of sense.
^^LOL
Ditto
Where did you get that concept? Twisty twisty again. *pat pat*
We’re Christians, not xtians. Jesus wasn’t one of the X-men.
You have to admit, that would be kinda awesome, though.
Oh totally. “Hey, Wolverine, can you walk on water? I can. How about dem apples?”
Professor X you may read my mind, but can you turn water into wine? I can also feed the entire campus with two loaves of bread, and one fish.
Well mocking the Christians isn’t going to attain that goal.
Most people I see ‘mocking Christians’ are mocking particular Christians for their failure to actually follow the teachings of Christ. (Pat Robertson of course leaps to mind.) But I think often people are not careful in their language usage, so statements often sound as if they’re directed at everyone in a group rather than particular members. EG, someone sees a picture of the whacko Westboro people and says, “Stupid Christians” probably meaning THOSE particular stupid Christians. It’s probably aggravated by the fact that there are SO many vocal stupid Christians such as the Westboro people. If you just watched the news, you’d think ALL Christians were nuts, which is obviously not true, but a bit like you’d think the only thing that happened last summer was that Michael Jackson died.
I think the stereotype of Christians is becoming more and more the Christian right/fundamentalists/whatever, and that’s not really fair. Most Christians I know aren’t like that, but the stereotype keeps picking up steam.
And while I haven’t encountered it in real life so much, we’ve had countless trolls on this site lumping all Christians together, explicitly insulting our entire religion. Some of them rip on all religions, and that’s at least balanced. But Christianity takes a LOT of heat on this site. I think that’s why people like JAC or Dhoti or sometimes myself get edgy when the conversation takes that turn.
*hands Rando a cardboard cookie* Yep.
*nomnom* This tastes like crap.
It is cardboard, after all. It should taste like glue. But then again, I’ve never tasted crap, so maybe glue and crap taste the same?
No, glue tastes totally different from crap.
I probably shouldn’t have said that.
I’m so not playing spin the bottle with you.
There are, however, people who do make snide, mocking comments about Christianity in general, or religious people in general. For example, referring to God sneeringly as “your invisible friend” or “your Sky Daddy.” That’s not directed at particular hypocritical Christians but at believers in general, so….yeah, I can see people feeling “mocked” by stuff like that.
Exactly. Or the “fairy tale” comments. Yeah, that sucks. I watched a Bill Maher comedy special, and two minutes into his rants on religion I turned it off for just that reason. And is why I refuse to watch Religilous.
Yup. I was raised that you don’t make fun of other people’s religious beliefs even if you think they’re weird or you don’t understand them. It’s just rude and wrong.
Anybody else notice the irony in unyielding Christians calling atheists close-minded, and unyielding atheists calling Christians close-minded?
The irony…and the hypocrisy, yeah.
Michael Jackson DIED??!?!?!?!?
No, no, he just went to live on a big farm, with lots of other dogs, where he’ll have room to run around and play and chase rabbits all day. He’s very happy there. Promise.
Someone buried him in the pet cemetery. Appropriately enough he came back looking like Thriller.
I’m not sure what you mean but government shoving it down your throat. Our government doesn’t shove any religion down our throats.
It’s all circular logic. Ivan (and his fundamentalist atheist pals) realize that the only way to make their angry, intolerant rhetoric socially acceptable is to be an aggrieved minority. One of the defining characteristics of an aggrieved minority is forcible government intervention. Therefore, the government must be shoving religion down our throats. QED.
To be fair, it’s not just the fundamentalist atheists and the anti-Christian bigots who do this — practically every far-left and far-right wingnut group tries this tactic at some point.
Aren’t the words “fundamentalist atheist” mutually antagonistic?
Personally, I don’t think so. To steal from McGrath and McGrath (via wikipedia), compare a hard-line atheist’s “total dogmatic conviction of correctness” to “a religious fundamentalism which refuses to allow its ideas to be examined or challenged.” I don’t think Ivan’s behavior is all that different — as far as I can tell, he believes in strict adherence to a set of fundamental principles, in a stubborn, entrenched position that defies reasoned argument or contradictory evidence, with little or no respect for diverging beliefs. Sounds like stereotypical fundamentalism to me.
*shrugs*
I see what you’re saying, but knowing Ivan a little better than you I don’t see that behaviour from him.
Read as: I interact with him differently than you. It’s all in the interactions.
I think she doesn’t see the “Imagine no religion” avatar. Or doesn’t count it.
You could be right. But still, I don’t see anything like Christianity being forced down our throats by the government. Something else maybe…
Not to disagree to strongly with you Dhoti, but the USA isn’t necessarily a secular country. Now, I’m not claiming in any way that the government in Washington forces religion on people, but God does find a place (mostly in the background) in the government.
Mind you, even in Canada where our constitution states that state and religion must remain separate, we still end up with government funding for religious schools… I’m still trying to figure that one out.
I agree with you, and fundamentally, I don’t have any problem with that. Working in government, or accepting government money, comes with certain responsibilities; if you can’t meet those responsibilities, for whatever reason, don’t take the job or the cash.
Fundamentally, I think Ivan’s going one step farther; he’s taking “religion and the state must remain separate” and extending it to “religious people and the state must remain separate”. It’s a clever bit of sleight-of-hand that allows you to disenfranchise a whole group of people while pretending to remain tolerant.
(Of course, it breaks down when you realize that a belief in the non-existence of a supernatural entity is, itself, a religion. But perhaps Ivan is one of those who unironically says “there’s no weather today”, too.)
“a belief in the non-existence of a supernatural entity is, itself, a religion”
It’s not the same as the non-belief in existence of supernatural entities.
Either way, I think that belief or non-belief and its corollaries constitutes a religion. (Perhaps it’s better to call it a faith.)
My original point, I think, still stands — declaring that religion is prohibited in government is functionally identical to declaring that atheism (and possibly agnosticism) is the only religion permitted in government, which is self-contradictory.
Right. I understand better what you meant now. I am still not in agreement on non-belief being a belief/faith/religion, but for the purposes of the government/religion issue it makes sense to think of them as very similar.
I personally am all for a strict separation of church and state, because faith, religion or lack thereof is a completely personal matter and nothing the government should have any business with. This does in no way mean “religious people and the state must remain separate”, nor that religion is prohibited amongst the people who are in the government. To me, it jsut means that the government should neither work for nor against any religion.
Wow… it’s interesting that I’m the one singled out as a “dumbfvck” even though several other people said more or less the same thing I did. Oh well… looks like I’m not going to be able to comment on ICHC and it’s sister sites anymore… I’ve been singled out for flaming.
Boo hoo, I’m going to go throw myself off a cliff now because people on a website featuring pictures with (rarely) funny captions don’t like me. *eyeroll*
CMS: The fact that is happened when she was a kid isn’t really the point. This wasn’t the case of some lefty reporter digging up her past to try to “get” her; she brought it up all on her own, and she talked about it like it was a good thing. If she thinks socialized medicine is so bad, why did she talk about it in a positive manner?
Oh who gives a flying fvck about mocking prophets/religions/god/Jesus? Seriously. What difference does it make? What, all-powerful all-knowing entities can’t handle it? If you believe in God (any version) then you should be comfortable having your views challenged. If you don’t believe in God (any version) you should also be comfortable having your views challenged. FFS.
FTR, challenging my beliefs and mocking them are two totally different things.
Yeah, but who cares Rando? What difference does it make?
Well, simply, mocking people’s beliefs is just mean. And that goes both ways. Mocking people for being atheists is just as mean and stupid as mocking Christians, Muslims, Jews, etc.
Can you honestly say that you don’t mock anyone for what they believe?
I’ve spent all my time on the “God hates the unmentionables” lol mocking the WBC’s beliefs.
Apparently even a minimal level of civility and respect is too much for some people. What a winner you are.
Hello, pot? This is the kettle calling. You’re black.
Even you realize that your behavior’s indefensible — the only way you can justify yourself is with insults and appeals to moral equivalency. Glad we agree.
Of course, for moral equivalency to work, you have to back it up. Go find where I mocked another religion — go ahead, I dare you. You won’t. (But don’t let that stop you; I’m sure mabsba will be more than happy to lie to back you up.)
I didn’t say I go around mocking other people’s religons, I said who cares? Why get all in a huff about it? I mean, most people on this board seem to think you’re a jerk, but it doesn’t stop you coming here.
I’m not interested enough in your opinion on the subject to peruse your posts, but good on ya then, you ridicule others for reasons other than their religion. Congratulations! Would you like a cookie?
I suspected that would be too much for you to process. Oh well.
Ooooh good comeback!
*gasp*
MORE funny? WTH?
Has someone replaced the fulminating, bloated, pontificating PK with an actual HUMOR site?
Although, there are commentors who are keeping that tradition alive.
It is your opinion that this is funny, rather than just anti-Romney (fine, but it’s not funny), bigoted and offensive (not fine and not funny)- some may see it otherwise.
How many wives did your grandfather have?
It is your opinion that this is just anti-Romney, bigoted and offensive – some may see it otherwise.
Excellent. I’ve gotten my dose of mind-numbing stupidity out of the way for the day. Thank you.
I really hope you don’t or haven’t reproduced… those kids are going to have couch burns from all the therapy they are going to need because of you.
and rattus you are disgusting. the “polygamy” you are talking about is a part of the FLDS church, which if you even read the news, would know that it is not part of the LDS church.
squishy mage, remove the motes from your eyes – I said that would constitute a slur.
At first I read that as “LSD church”. I’d imagine such a religion would have interesting services…
Brought to you by the Right Reverend Dr. Timothy Leary…
Kirk – “He had a little too much LDS back in the 60′s”
But did you know that Gracie is pregnant?
Gracie knows
They are not the hell your whales.
Actually, you said:
It’s not really a slur. The question is about a practice that has been a valid part of Mormonism in the past, and is still practised more covertly to this day. A slur would be more along the lines of how many Osmonds to you have to bang to achieve High Hoohah-ness with the Church of LDS?
squishy mage just fails at replying, and is confusing righteous indignation with crazy rage filled outbursts that don’t do well to portray his/her religion in a good light.
“What kind of stupid name is Mitt?” *Snerk*
I don’t actually know but I kinda always assumed it was short for Mitchell. You never know, though.
I liked this one, but I thought this one: {http://cheezburger.com/View.aspx?aid=3072209408} was funnier.
Ok, a quick google indicates that I was incorrect — Mitt is actually his full middle name (his first name is Willard) and he was named after J. Willard Marriot, who was his dad’s best friend, and his father’s cousin, Milton Romney, who went by the nickname “Mitt”.
Well, i guess if one had to choose between being called “Mitt” or “Willard”…
By the way, MG, your “Tickle Me Massa” lol completely cracked me up. I’m looking for it in voting.
Inspired funny.
Why thank you…
He’s supa smart!
Yeah, I liked that one alot better.
Quack.
You massive ƒuckweasel™.
My new favorite term of disparagement is doucheweasel. Use it in a sentence today!
I’m currently very fond of crotchwaffle.
Oooh crotchwaffle! It has, what do you call, je ne sais quoi.
*writes that one down*
How about some lols about… you know… the people in power right now?
What’s with all of the lols about EBIL REPUBLICANS who are not even in office? Is this some pre-emptive strike ordered by the DNC?
Why would the Do Not Call list care about — Ohhhhhh. Ok.
Link
*giggle*
Was that taken in the White House recently?
It would help if the LOLs about the people in power were, you know, FUNNY.
I keep my many wives stuffed down my magic underwear. No one has to know! there’s an entire world down there and I am their ruler! I rule with an iron rod! bwahahah!
LOL, STOP IT! THE LAUGHING, IT HURTS! On a serious note, I think you head is so far up your ass it’s coming out your mouth, thus creating an infinite loop of ignorance. You really need to get out of you parents’ basement you troll.
P.S. DERP!
Oh. My. God. You make me fear for the future of the US. I so hope you didn’t breed, and that you are not allowed to influence children in any way.
Hey, Mitt, what’s the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
African or European swallow?
What do you mean African or European?
*D’oh…
*note to self… hit refresh button first…
That would have been a better caption.
Congratulations. You just set the record for the worst comment ever on Pk. And considering some of the previous winners, this is a shame you should not take lightly.
And considering how much I’ve spoken out Obama and the healtcare bill, that should also add another level of shame for you.
“Why were you for government healthcare in MA and against it now?”
Probably because it is outside the mandate of the federal government as spelled out in the Constitution. That means it falls under state and local government.
*GASP* You mean enumerated powers? Tahts teh ebil! ELBENTY!!!!!! NOOOOOEEEEESSSSS!
DAMN! If there was only some way to change that somehow. Oh well, no such way exists. The Constitution will remain set in stone as it was originally written until the end of time.
Well, it is a classic…
Not unless we jam it!
Quackity quack quack quack.
You’re a conspiracy theorist’s wet dream.
Okay, so the offending comment has been removed. Can I get a Cliff’s Notes? Something vague so you don’t get moderated too? Or just message me? I hate when I miss the interesting stuff.
You know, blahblah Obama’s ebil blah blah and he’s stupid blah blah blah. I think there might’ve been something about his mom, too.
There was a nasty, misogynistic/racist comment about his mother that made my eyes spin around in their sockets. Won’t repeat it now. I’ve lurked on PK for a long while but was never present for a comment actually getting moderated into oblivion. This one was a good choice.
Geez. Some people are such idiots. Was it c gray again? They need to bring the banhammer down on that guy.
I don’t think it was c gray, unless he had come up with a different name and colored square thingee. And this creature appeared to be way more energetic than the whacko we knew.
Aw, too bad I missed it. Those are the fun ones.
I really don’t care for Mitt Romney and disagree with most of his political positions.
But taking cheap shots at his religion is uncalled for. Shameful, people, and definitely not funny.
^^^^^^ yes.
I can has not the over-restricted insurance companies? What with them maybe I can get decent premiums. If perchance I become not employed, I would pay over 500 male deer a month.
Half my bread money, and I’m on the furthest from high end.
Missionaries believe they are offering truths that will make your life more fulfilling and happy, not knocking your religion. If it were a matter of just trying to bother you or put your stuff down they’d be selling something.
So if I knock on a teetotaler’s door and try to talk him into going to a bar and drink because I believe it will make him happier to get drunk, that’s okay because I believe my motives are good. And how is it not knocking my religion to try to convince that I should join theirs instead?
This is the stupidest, most ignorant and narrow-minded attempt at liberal slamming I have seen in a while.
A conservative will note your difference of opinion and move on. A liberal will note your difference of opinion, laugh in your face, question your intelegence, and try to put down all aspects of your beliefs.
Dislike hatemongers sure seems to like hypocrisy and generalisations though.
And can’t spell intelligence, neener neener neener!
So you dislike liberals for supposedly generalizing and putting down conservatives beliefs, but you are generalizing and putting down liberals. That’s fantastic.
And can’t spell intelligence! Neener neener neener!
HA! That’s great. What a moron.
What a maroon.
What a macaroon.
What a macadamia.
What a Macedonia.
What a Madagascar.
What a mascara.
What a masturbator.
What a master debater.
What a masterpiece.
So, Obama runs for president, and when all of the news about his church surfaced nobody cared because, well, what does it matter what his religion is? We’re all equals. But when Mitt Romney runs for president he gets picked apart just for being Mormon. There was even a radio session that I heard saying that Mitt would not make an appropriate president solely because he is Mormon. It’s like saying that Obama would not make a good president because he is black.
Also, Mormons aren’t polygamous and their underwear does not have magical powers.
It’d be really cool if the underwear did have magical powers.
I agree.
Like unicorn summoning.
But what if the unicorn showed up in your underwear?
Eh, nothing is perfect.
That would be problematic.
Fine fine. Pegasus?
Pegasus is a unicorn, no?
Nope. No horns, just wings.
Dang, well, alright then.
The pegacorn has both.
Can I get a pegacorn on the cob?
Rando, you can’t eat mythical creatures. It’s blasphemous.
Pegacorn FTW!
Mythical creatures are low in fat though, because they don’t exist.
Bad Rando! *smacks Rando in the nose with a rolled up newspaper*
Stop it! My chupacabra is almost ready! Chupa-thingy!
That’s just a chalupa.
You can eat the chupacabra — they’re nasty! But NO eating the pegacorn!
I eat the chupa-thingy with ground pegacorn horn on top. Pegacorn horn makes a great spice.
Bad Rando! *takes newspaper from Charro and smacks Rando on the nose with it*
You’re a sick man, Rando.
Geez are you people sensitive. *turns to bbq grill*
Hippogriff steak, anyone?
*facepalm*
Hee hee.
Pegacorn
Its a unicorn with wings, they fart rainbows and sh!t diamonds and are totally awesome, Chuck Norris has eight.
:0 are they available on eBay?
Chuck Norris’ pegacorns are not for sale. Those are breeding pegacorns.
Them and kidneys.
I wouldn’t mind, because it’s a unicorn.
Do you realize how badly a unicorn would stretch out your underwear? And you’re in big trouble if it wears your bra.
I could get more. It’s a unicorn!! Isn’t that like a genie or something?
My underwear has magical powers. Take that, Mormons!
*steals SB’s underwear* Haha! The Magic underwear is mine now!
*tents fingers*
And the underwear-less SB is mine now.. Excellent.
NNOOOOOOESSSS! GIVE BACK MY MAGICAL UNDERWEAR! I’M MELTING I’M MEEELLLLTTTTIIIIINNNNGGGG…..
Hey, it’s breezy in here!
*camera pans over to Rando trying to blow a fan up SB’s skirt*
What?
Dangit! That’s the only reason I became Mormon! I want to levitate and breathe fire out of my boxers. Magical flatulence, suddenly become popular and smokin hot, glowing skin. I don’t like the mistic tan and junk!
Holy circle jerk, Batman!
Phew.
Wow where you been?
Suicide blonde! Now it’s a party!
Hey! Where you been?
SB is here. The liberals have retaken the fortress. It’s gonna be okay now, mabs.
Speaking of, where’s Max?
ZOMG where is Max? He’s disappeared on us again. That’s how we ended up losing the fortress.
Yay! *throws diamonds from pegacorns to SB*
Long time no sea!
(As I once saw it printed on a shirt…)
Hey kids! I’ve just been super busy. I started my MFA in January, very cool program but a big time commitment. Between that and work, and hot yoga which is my new favorite thing ever, I don’t have as much time to lurk around PK. But I take comfort in knowing that I’m doing my part to uphold the liberal agenda, by studying the arts, and driving to the yoga studio in my Prius, Obama magnet and KPBS license plate frame prominently displayed.
Then I go home, cook up mostly vegetarian meals using seasonal, locally grown organic produce brought home in re-usable shopping bags, and call my elected officials to let them know I support our president’s health care agenda and equal rights for gay Americans by the light of energy efficient light bulbs.
So, you know. I’m around.
How are you lot?
MFA = Massively Fornicating Ampersands?
Congrats on being so liberal, I have to drive in a Honda Civic.
If only! We just get the ampersands. Well, there’s one woman in my class who’s writing erotic fiction, so her ampersands may very well be fornicating.
Thanks. And hey, Hondas are liberal too, you know. Buying fuel-efficient foreign cars undermines the Values of Real Americans.
I’m all about undermining the Values of Real Americans.
Me too! *takes all the Real Americans’ guns away*
*replaces Real Americans’ iceberg lettuce with arugula*
*replaces Real Americans’ hippogriff steaks with arugula too*
Woohoo! My Hyundai Elantra gets almost 30 mpg! Probably not as good as your Prius, but who wants to drive one of those horrid things right now, what with all the recalls lately?
New liberal conspiracy theory: all the problems with Toyotas have been cooked up by domestic car companies to put down the biggest name in foreign autos. Spread amongst yourselves.*
(*I’m kidding.)
Yeah, the Prius gets around 47-48, but it loses some of its gas efficiency when the accelerator gets jammed and the vehicle careens out of control killing all the passengers. Other than that though..
OMG that’s horrible! I can’t believe Toyota would be so negligent as to allow something so awful. I mean, seriously, allowing the gas mileage to drop? That’s just sick. And whatever about passengers isn’t that cool either.
My computer just randomly decided to clear the cache.. And I now see your new avatar.
You hadn’t seen Patrick until now? Wow, that was like a week ago.
Yes, and here at work you’re still from the Big Bang Theory.
Note to self: Don’t accept rides from SB.
You mean like the value where we actually have jobs manufacturing stuff in the US? Yeah, it kinda does.
We do have fuel-efficient cars built in the US (including some Toyotas, Mazdas, and Mitsubishi models!).
Hey, I like my Honda.
Yeah, but it was the RAV 4 that was manufactured in the us that has the faulty break pedal, the ones made in Japan aren’t on the recall list. o.O
Yeah diss, I know what you mean, but I bought my Prius 5 1/2 ago, and there were no other hybrid cars that came close to the Prius in terms of fuel efficiency (that weren’t also death traps. I’m not going to drive a golf cart).
Why have we outsourced our manufacturing jobs? One reason could be that Americans want their goods cheap. We effectively bargain-hunt ourselves out of jobs. I watched an interesting documentary on the American garment industry, “Schmatta: Rags to Riches to Rags,” the statistic I remember is that in the last 40 years, the percentage of American clothing made in America dropped from 95% to 5%. Isn’t that amazing? I read that 70% of Wal Mart products are made in China. And I think 80% of all kids’ toys are made in China too.
Ain’t nothin free. It’s like with food. The organic free range chicken breasts are $8 a pound, and the regular chicken breasts are $2.99 a pound. But the cheaper ones aren’t really less expensive when you add in the costs of damage done to the environment, health issues, etc.
If there had been an American car on the market at the time I bought my Prius that had Toyota’s efficiency (and ratings, the Prius was Motor Trend car of the year that year and it got great safety ratings) I would have considered buying American. But American car manufacturers were still pushing enormous SUVs.
You have cars? You … You … ENVIRONMNENET TERRORISTS!
To prove my dedication to the cause of the environment I will go burn down a car lot full of hummers!
(Yes, there is a group that actually did that. They seemed not to realize that burning cars is bad for the environment…I was rather amused)
Thanks for the insight into your personal lifestyle Suicide. I mean Blonde. Good to know there are some enlightened, balanced and organic chromosomes still left on the planet. (Not many of us left…)
Long live YOGA!
Well, one does one’s best…
Yoga tomorrow, 8 a.m. You know it’s good if you actually WANT to get up early on a Sunday…
Ah yes, let us all make fun of the Mormons since it would take to much time and effort to get the facts behind things. And lets make fun of their “Magic Underwear” also known as garments, shall we next mock the Jews kippah, or Tzitzit.
Allanon, it’s the Mormons (and JWs) that keep knocking uninvited on peoples’ doors, peddling their version of bible snakeoil. If Morons I mean Mormons keep trying to make me see that Jesus descended from the North American clouds and was spotted by some natives, then why shouldn’t that BS be mocked? Next I’m getting at the Hare Krishnas, followed by the catholics and then the Moonies.
Don’t forget about the Scientologists, they could use a good mocking.
Yeah all this talk of mocking.. Makes me want to mock Scientologists.
i’ll give you a good mocking.
I don’t even know why I’m responding to you, but don’t assume something is stupid if you don’t know anything about it.
Have some respect for other people’s beliefs. There’s a reason the LDS is still one of the 5 fastest growing religions.
Make fun of Mitt, I don’t care. But don’t take potshots at a religion where they are almost always one of the first responders to natural disasters (Haiti, Katrina, Chile…)
hey look. someone who is actually, ya know, respectful.
yeahz. sheniqua, thx, im a huge mormon.
Try P90X, it’s a great workout program, will help you lose some of that weight.
Mitt Romney for president?