ABSTINENCE
Do as I say, not as I do.
(Bristol Palin)
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Boo for old news.
Old incorrect news, what is this Fox News?
(There Rando threw you a bone due to the last post)
I don’t even remember seeing this on the vote page ! WTF !!!
don’t sound so shocked… on this website, if it bashes anyone NOT a democrat, it’s an instant pass.
In May 2009, Palin worked with the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy and the Candie’s Foundation to inform young people about the negative consequences of teenage pregnancy. Bill Albert, the Campaign’s spokesman, said working with Palin made sense because “she’s had the highest-profile teen pregnancy of the year.”[19] Several interviews and pictorials for similar organizations followed. That same month, Palin was named a Teen Abstinence Ambassador for the Candie’s Foundation,[20][21] a teen pregnancy prevention organization.[22] Her duties as a paid spokeswoman involved attending town hall meetings and giving interviews on morning talk shows. At her appearance on Good Morning America, she stated, “Regardless of what I did personally, abstinence is the only 100% foolproof way you can prevent pregnancy.”[23] Before becoming an abstinence spokeswoman, Palin told Fox News that abstinence is “not realistic at all.”[24] Several weeks later, she would state that her words were “taken out of context”.[25]
Her role as a spokesperson has been controversial. Bonnie Fuller, former editor in chief of YM, has questioned whether the net effect of Bristol’s presentations has been to glamorize or discourage teen pregnancy based on the visual imagery.[26]
So, I’m curious — we remember that you’re a 9/11 Troofer, but are you a Trig Troofer, too? (Or is that just a crazy conspiracy theory that only nutjobs believe?)
WTF is a Trig Troofer? It’s hard to hear someone speaking from a hole other than their mouth.
You can hear Dhoti?
He’s inside the house? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
How’s the Bud Ice? Doobeedoobedoo….
ZOMG!!!! THERE IS A GERAITRIC TROOFER IN YOUR HOUSE!!!
BWAAAAAAA
We know what you did this winter.
Who is “we”? Are you a group of people or are you just insane?
I remember your Troofer-ness as well.
We are not amused.
Who is we? Who are you?
He is Dhoti, I am Wino. Duh.
I don’t know why this is so confusing. Maybe he’s a geriatric Troofer? “Rolling for the Truth”?
No Dhoti, I’m not nearly as old as you are.
Is that all you’ve got? Fat jokes, old jokes, and sheeple?
Old jokes, huh? I didn’t know 12 year olds were big troofers.
Dhoti’s ugly.
DNDO, the vomit of the internet.
ZOMG DHOTI HE’S IN YOUR HOUSE LOOKING IN THE MIRROR.
Dhoti? Ugly? I doubt it. No one that arrogant could be ugly. (I kid, Dhoti, I kid.)
No, you missed it. I wasn’t calling Dhoti ugly I was calling DN..whatever.. ugly.
We are Locutus of Borg.
Dhoti is Legion. They are many.
Dude, I wish.
Do you know how many lights there would be?
Hmmm…
I don’t know, it’s kinda hard to tell. I can only guess but I think
THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!!
TNG FTW! (Which was referenced in today’s xkcd, btw.)
Picard is so sexy in his underwear.
You know, my mother drooling over Patrick Stewart in that episode when we watched it all those years ago really kinda creeped me out. But, just because it never gets old, THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!!!
*jabs Rando with a Romulan cattle prod*
Is that the belief that Trig is Bristol’s too?
Yep. I figured it was a natural complement to the crazy already in DNDO’s wheelhouse.
Yeah, something like that. I can’t keep track of all of their weird names to tell you for sure.
FIST!!11!!
I’m confused. Does that fall under abstinence only?
LOL. No, I wanted to be ordinaled but didn’t want to use “1st”. Not funny?
I thought it was funny, but my response was unfunny.
Fisting is a secksual activity that involves inserting a hand into the … [continued on Wikipedia; read it and you'll know why]
No. That’s a sucky ordinal. Somebody do me better.
I’ll do you, HOW.
Oh, you meant an ordinal. Sorry…..
Pictures? Please.
Talk to Mina, our official stalker.
Heeheee. Filthy girl…just how I like them.
I would have, but I wanted to make sure I didn’t just get myself moderated.
Better?
The phrase “Hell on Wheels” was originally used to describe the itinerant collection of flimsily assembled gambling houses, dance halls, saloons, and brothels that followed the army of Union Pacific railroad workers westward as they constructed the American transcontinental railroad in the 1860s. The followers were called “hangers-on” according to Samuel Bowles.
The huge numbers of wage-earning young men working in what was a remote wilderness, far from the constraints of home, proved to be a lucrative opportunity for those with expertise at separating such men from their money.
One early documentation of the term “Hell on Wheels” being used to describe the phenomenon was by Springfield, Massachusetts Republican newspaper editor Samuel Bowles.
The phenomenon is documented as far east as North Platte, Nebraska. As the end of the line continually moved westward, Hell on Wheels followed along, reconstructing itself on the outskirts of each town that became in turn the center of activity for the Union Pacific’s construction work.
All manner of criminal activity was rampant in Hell on Wheels, with murders occurring on an almost nightly basis. Frequently, the more respectable element of a town temporarily hosting Hell on Wheels became fed up with the crime and organized to combat it. For example, in Laramie, Wyoming, a conflict between town vigilantes and a Hell on Wheels criminal gang culminated in a protracted street battle.
An idealized image of Hell on Wheels is present in 1924 John Ford’s silent film The Iron Horse.
“Helen Wheels” is a song by Paul McCartney and Wings. The song was named after Paul and Linda McCartney’s Land Rover, which they nicknamed “Hell on Wheels”.
The single was released prior to Band on the Run and was not included on the original UK release of the album. It was included on the original US release and the 25th anniversary version. The song was also included on Wingspan. The song peaked at #10 in America on 12 January 1974.
Bravo Rando and Wino! Those are pretty fantastic ordinals (and not because they reference my screenname).
It’s a pretty good song. Pretty good album that it’s on too.
now tell us who helen mucous was!
Oh, ƒƒ§….
♫ I’m lovin’ it. ♪
How about – ABSTINENCE: It works every time
WIN!
ABSTINENCE: It worked for the Virgin Mary, it’ll work for you too!
Or, more accurately:-
Abstinance – Do as I say, not as my eldest daughter did!
I’m confused. Was it Bristol or Sarah that preached abstinence?
This lol and the author’s life both belong in the fail blog.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/17/bristol.palin.interview/
Well, Bristol said the opposite of what the picture claims.
That interview transcript is makes Bristol sound less coherent than her mother.
“Bristol quickly answered that she didn’t want to get into specifics. The best option is abstinence, the teen said, but added that she didn’t think that was “realistic.” ”
“The teen said she wanted to tell her story so that other young people might think twice about having sex.”
‘”I’d love to [be] an advocate to prevent teen pregnancy because it’s not, like, a situation that you would want to strive for, I guess,” Bristol said.’
Much like your first sentance?
Yes.
I like that Urban Dictionary’s definition of sentance is “The improper spelling of sentence by a high strung person, normally a Republican.”
Nice lol
*snort* That’s hysterical.
No one would care if you don’t tell people you’re a conservative Christian while you’re obviously knocked up.
From what I hear, that’s a no no for them.
Shhhh it’s a secret.
Not sure about any of you other parents out there with older teenagers, but I found it difficult if not impossible to control every aspect of their lives or choice that they make. This lol fails.
I keep my children in a large cage.
Tried that….Just made them wilder.
tazer?
Excellent idea. I shall go out and purchase one at lunch today. That will teach those meddling kids to behave.
Get a cattle prod. You can reach into the cage while not getting too close.
Even better. Thanks for the tip. Boy are the kids going to be surprised tonight
Never underestimate the power and convenience of duct tape.
duct tape!!!!! FTW!!!!
The best way to keep children home is to make the home atmosphere pleasant — and let the air out of the tires.
-the great Dorothy P.
Yes, but a person shouldn’t be surprised with the backlash they receive when they’re incapable of practicing what they preach.
Who was preaching it prior to Bristol getting pregnant? Her or her mom. I am generally curious. If it was Bristol then you are correct.
Her mom was preaching abstinence only education. When your own child is proof that it doesn’t work you shouldn’t be surprised with the backlash. That’s what I should have written. And I thought all the Palin kids made chastity pledges.
Bristol wasn’t given abstinence-only education.
Also, she could be seen as a damn good spokesperson for “do as I say, not as I did and screwed up” like people who went to prison preaching about the evils of lawbreaking.
That’s all fine and good except if your own children are not given abstinence-only education why would you preach/demand that every body elses children should get it.
That doesn’t make any sense. Ask a parent who supports ObamaCare why, if their own children weren’t given government-run health care, they’re demanding that everyone else’s children should get it.
How does it not make sense? And I’m not biting on your healthcare bait.
Bully for you — but next time, understand what I was trying to say before seeing “health care” and instantly going “IT’S A TRAAAAAP!”, lest you want me to start calling you fishface.
Here’s what I’m saying: of *course* she’s arguing for something her kids, and everyone else’s kids, aren’t getting now. That’s why it’s called “change”. Why would she be arguing for something everyone else is already getting? (“I’m on strike until Dr. King’s birthday is a public holiday! What? It already is? Well, I’m on strike anyway!”)
Damnit. Dhoti, you make a good point. Although, in HOW’s defense it did come off as a baiting comment not intended as a serious question.
HOW – if Palin believe abstinence only is the way to go, maybe she believes this because of what happened to Bristol? It could be that instead of being hypocritical she sees it as a way to help other kids not end up like hers..?
Yeah, I see that — maybe NCLB would have been a better example. Regardless, I will never, ever, ever miss an opportunity to drop an Ackbar.
Well, that’s ok. I’m ok with that.
Actually, Palin had been an abstinence-only proponent long before the Bristol incident. But now that I look at it, Palin’s not being hypocritical – it was her daughter that got knocked up not her. There are better examples of Palin’s hypocrisy as it relates to Bristol’s pregnancy.
BTW Dhoti, don’t know if you know it but it was only recently(ish) that AZ started celebrating(?) MLKJR Day.. Incidentally, McCain was opposed to and voted against recognising it in AZ.
We’re progressive like that.
Yeah, now that you mention it, I remember having heard about it during the election. Weird.
(Although, the last time I was in Arizona, the only black people I saw came in on the plane with me.
)
HEY!! I had a African American waitress at Hooters in Tempe when I was there…….. and MY GOD was she HAWT!!! Of course that was a good 10 years ago.
You must have been in AZ either a long time ago or the wrong part of AZ..
I was in Tuscon, which the census says was 4.3% black in 2000, versus 4.2% for the whole state. Compared to where I live now — 36.8% black in the city, 14.9% in the state — it struck me as very different.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Dhoti.. I’m from Tucson.
And.. You’re in Chicago aren’t you.
Wow, that’s an impressive amount of “AAA”s. And yeah, I live in Chicago now.
I remember a restaurant — Cafe Poca Cosa, I believe — that was pretty tasty. Ever tried it? (If nothing else, the street that goes by it features the world’s largest parallel parking spaces. I could have fit two of my car in there.)
Also, if you ever got buzzed by a crappy rental car traveling well above the limit while the driver was trying to watch the A-10s flying overhead…sorry.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I live in the Chicago ‘burbs.
Yeah, I’ve been to Poca, it’s right downtown. The spots aren’t that big anymore.
And no, I don’t recal an incident like that, but then again, I don’t recall much..
Agreed:AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I’m in the city — I started off right downtown, but I’ve been working my way north. Occasionally I head out to Naperville and Northbrook, and I know where the Ikea is in Schaumburg, but like a good city dweller, I find the suburbs vast and incomprehensible.
Well fortunately I’m in a ghetto ‘burb not a rich one, but I’m sure I’ll know you by the stench of oppressed middle class and greedy capitalism wafting off of you when you walk by me..
Smells like victory.
Actually, this time of year, I’m pretty recognizable — just look for the geeky-looking guy in black velvet blazer.
…in the black velvet blazer, rather.
(Single guys — even if you don’t think you can pull it off, because I sure can’t, get a black velvet blazer. You’d be amazed how much attention you get — people are always asking me “hey, is that really velvet?” and women are always petting me. Crazy.)
Are you propositioning me?!
That depends on whether or not it’s working…
“Hey baby, wanna get together and go oppress Rando for a while?”
I hear Rando likes it.
The sex ed issue is just a canard — what it really translates to is “everyone ‘knows’ that a political in this position is ‘supposed’ to be embarrassed and ashamed and fly the kid to a foreign country on a government jet to have a hush-hush abortion”. Ironically, some folks just can’t handle a lack of hypocrisy in an elected official.
Okay, so to recap, you really think Democrats & liberals think she should’ve gotten an abortion in a foreign country? That’s why we don’t like the Bristol Palin bit? Seriously?
Well, it can’t all be about Palin’s position on sex ed, because it’s been established that Bristol never had an abstinence-only course. (I might as well argue that it shows the fatal flaw in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster’s sex ed program — namely, wear a pirate costume and stop showering.)
You can’t deny that Palin’s received a lot of holier-than-thou, “I can’t believe that hillbilly allowed that to happen” scorn for this whole affair. Since it’s patently impossible to have prevented it from happening — try keeping 24/7 tabs on a horny teenager as a stay-at-home parent, much less as a high-level elected official — that can really only mean “I can’t believe that hillbilly didn’t cover it up”. (The government jet and the foreign country were just dramatic flair for the October Surprise.)
The pirate costume and abstaining from showering require faith to work.
Not necessarily. Just because the pirate costume happens to be the holy garb of the Pastafarians doesn’t mean that wearing it and not showering won’t get you laid. (That should be intuitively obvious.)
I guess it depends on your intended audience. Pastafarian women require not showering and pirate costumes, but they can see right through it if you don’t truly believe in it. Note the costume and not showering are necessary, but not sufficient for Pastafarian women.
On a side note, the costume requires a cutlass. Many people forget that.
Wait. If you don’t shower doesn’t that cause you NOT to get laid?
If you BELIEVE in not showering and pirate costumes (cutlass included) then you get laid by Pastafarian women (In my experience), but otherwise, not.
Well, obviously — the cutlass is like the Risan Horgon.
I think the sex-ed plan requires going cutlass-free, but I could be mistaken.
The cutlass-free approach has really been a huge mistake though. I hear kids in some communities have been sneaking out to buy plastic cutlasses just to see what it is like. Its really a shame.
I live on the edge of a rough neighborhood, and if I’m coming home from work late, as I’m leaving the train station, I see guys in the alley, selling fake cutlasses to teenagers from the inky shadows.
I call the cops, but they never come. I think they’re in Team Ninja or something.
The poor children!!!
I reside in a heavily FSM leaning state and thus I don’t run into Ninja supporters often. I always thought the police were in league with the Ninjas.
…or “will get you laid”, maybe — there are too many negatives in play.
I would think not showering would get you not laid.
See, I thought that too but apparently we’re wrong. Maybe if both people don’t shower.
It has something to do with pheromones and the cutlass.
“doesn’t mean that wearing it and not showering will get you laid” — I think that’s right, but it’s also pushing triple negative territory.
But we already know people who don’t shower can get mutually laid — isn’t that where Generation X came from?
If that were true, white trash rednecks wouldn’t be able to procreate, but we KNOW they do.
Honestly, while Bristol takes a lot of heat, it’s primarily because of her mother. I will admit that I didn’t know that Bristol didn’t receive abstinence-only sex ed. That doesn’t change the fact her and her mother advocate something highly unrealistic. Like you said, you can’t stop horny teenagers. At the very least, make sure they know what they’re getting into, and absolutely, make abstinence a viable alternative. Nothing wrong with preaching abstinence. You don’t miss a pill with abstinence, and abstinence doesn’t break like condoms can. I’m not against telling teens about abstinence. I am against telling them “don’t do it or else” and leaving it at that. Anyway, it’s because of the hypocrisy of promoting abstinence only when your daughter just got knocked up. Let’s face it, at that point, your argument is pretty well screwed. And yes, if I really believe in abstinence only, and my daughter got pregnant (*shudder*), I’d feel like a total failure as a parent.
But that’s the problem — her sex ed class didn’t teach her what she was getting into, I’d wager. If it’s anything like the sex ed classes I got not so many moons ago, some crusty old hippie walks in, talks to you about condoms and the pill, and says “this is how you avoid getting pregnant” — which is patently FALSE. None of the old hippies ever said “look, the way you kids are going to use this stuff, it has at least a 20% failure rate, so if you go into this drunk and horny and clueless, you’ve got at least a one in five change of getting knocked up”. THAT would be appropriate sex ed.
Frankly, when you’re just starting to screw around with something dangerous (no pun intended), you should be afraid. That’s why they call it “healthy fear”. It doesn’t mean you’re misinformed, or underinformed; it just means you know enough to know how you can get screwed (again, no pun intended).
If anything, it’s the crusty old hippie who’s being hypocritical.
If my memory serves me correctly, we did discuss drug/alcohol related issues in our sex ed classes down in GA.
It could be that kids just do stupid things some times despite proper education. *shrugs*
@ Rando – Even Bristol admits that abstinence only education is unrealistic though.
Fair enough. Some sex ed classes are lacking in information. I won’t say all. But just because her class failed her doesn’t mean the appropriate step is abstinence only education. That is just as lacking information-wise as Bristol’s crusty old hippie. Although I’ve seen the health or PE teacher do that class more than the crusty old hippies. The hippies are the ones teaching art or (at least at my school) biology.
Appropriate sex ed would give teens all the info they need to make an informed decision. Do I think high schoolers need to be doing it? Not really. But neither abstinence-only education, nor whatever-Bristol-got-that-apparently-didn’t-work is the right idea.
I don’t personally think teens have the mental capability to make any kind of informed decision about anything, much less when to have sex. While I don’t think that just telling them about the evils of sex is the way to get them not to do it (Mr. Mackey comes to mind….”Sex is bad, umkay?”), I think that the dangers, diseases, and problems associated with sex should be the main emphasis of any sex education curriculum.
And even with less than adequate sex-ed classes, shouldn’t parents be having discussions with their kids. Parents should be relaying their values about sex, just as they would with any other values, to their kids and arming them with medical/scientific information.
Risk adjustment (there’s a better term for this, but I can’t remember it right now) is another important factor to keep in mind. As an example, anti-lock brakes, airbags, and traction control haven’t decreased traffic accidents anywhere near what they should have — people felt safer with their new safety gear, so they started driving faster and more aggressively.
I don’t want to underestimate adolescents, but I agree with froo, in that we can trust them even less than we trust adults to make rational and informed decisions, so maybe that means an appropriate sex ed class has to over-emphasize the risks and the dangers and the sores and all that crap. (It’s all about that healthy fear.)
I know I’ll be having those talks with my kids. Of course, my kids will be traumatized because my husband and I aren’t shy about the way we feel for one another
We’re going to be the embarrassing parents…..
There’s also my parents’ approach: 1. Give all the medical, scientific information. 2. Say you shouldn’t be having sex before marriage because that makes you a slut and no man will want to marry you. 3. Talk about all the dangers and diseases associated with sex. 4. Threaten your daughters that if they ever get knocked up before marriage them and their bastard offspring will be kicked out into the street.
I definitely agree that kids need to be scared – but NOT in the DON’T HAVE SEX OR ELSE ZOMG!!!!11
They should be forced to watch birthing videos (damn that sh!t is scary), they should be shown pics of STDs (oh ew are those pictures nasty).
But yes, they need to be presented with all the prophylactic stuff too. Condoms, pills, sponges, diaphragms etc. And shown how to use them.
Abstinence only is just impractical. Just like “Just say no to drugs” is. It’s ideal.. but impractical.
Okay, so informed decision was a poor choice of words. And I agree that teens shouldn’t be doing it. And I agree that they need to know about all the really awful consequences of sex, and that it most certainly can happen to them. Parents should be the primary givers of sex ed, although let’s face it, too many of them are awful at it. I don’t even remember my talk. And frankly I dread the talk I’m gonna have to have with my son in the not-too-distant future (within the next couple years).
Parents definitely should be involved. But I really think that Health Specialists, like Sex Therapists or Gynecologists or people from the Health Dept. should be giving these talks. They know how to do it and do it right.
Let’s face it all we lay (heh) people know is “Stick it in and it feels good”.
Or as Red Foreman once said, “It’s more fun than it looks.”
I’m not sure I agree with you on that point Charro, I think it’s the responsibility of a parent to become the informed instructor. Perhaps have Health Professionals give workshops for parents on how to discuss it with their children and give them the information to pass on, but I think it’s fundamentally important for it to be the parents giving guidance on this subject to their children.
I have strong opinions on matters of education of all kinds though. With my wife being a teacher I’m all too familiar with parents offloading the responsibility of raising their children to public workers and then getting upset when the over-sanitized politically correct curriculum has failed to teach them any kind of real values and morality.
A friend of mine, a techie by trade, is an OWL instructor: a pair-taught, multi-week sex and sexuality education course for the UU church. They teach 11 year olds everything from soup to nuts: STDs, contraception, non-heterosexual/transexual life styles, masturbation, the whole of it. Some parents are often all ‘my child is not ready yet, are you sure?’ beforehand. And when their child is 12 or thirteen, those same parents often come to him and say ‘THANK you’.
Best to get the logic and coping techniques (including how to say “No”) into the brains of those little darlings BEFORE the hormones hit!
I suppose I do agree with you to some point Charro, I certainly can’t deny the effectiveness of our Regional Health Centers in providing information, counseling and resources for educating kids on the risks (The slides, the videos, etc.), the proper use of contraceptives (complete with props, and demos), and providing counseling and education on healthy decision making.
It’s really a shame more people don’t take advantage of them for one-on-one time with their kids (it’s free, drop-in and almost never much of a line-up). They do usually come and do presentations in sex-ed classes, but it’s often more effective if the kids don’t have all their classmates there to tease them about asking a question they may already be uncomfortable asking.
My real point I guess is it drives me up the wall the way some parents place the burden of raising their children on everyone but themselves, and then blame everyone else for their child not being perfect. I would fully support an initiative for parenting licenses, as harsh as it sounds there are way too many people out there completely incapable of raising children.
As for the early education part VG, sex-ed starts at 4th or 5th grade up here (depending on the district), and is mandatory (unless the parents opt the kids out) every year there after so not only I, but the majority of my province agrees with the ‘Talk early, talk often’ approach.
Yeah, GB, the only reason they HAVE to teach sex ed in schools is because parents don’t do it. And I couldn’t agree more about parents wanting schools to do every friggin’ thing for them. I was talking to a woman about elementary schools. She said she wanted a Christian elementary school so ‘they could teach her daughter to pray.’ WTF? What more important parental task is there than your right and responsibility to teach your child your morals and religion? *headdesk*
All 4 of my kids did OWL in 7th or 8th grade (they do it every other year), VG. It’s a very comprehensive class! Both of my stories about that, though, are from my son: First of all, after the introductory class he was dragging his feet about “not really wanting to DO this…” but when I told him he had two choices: go to the class or talk extensively about every single subject covered with ME — well, the class looked a LOT better.
Second, they could have one absence during the class (which ran for the entire September-December period). His birthday fell on the day they were to discuss STDs…he wanted to use his excused absence then — “First of all, when we covered sex in school, STDs is the ONLY topic we covered! Second, I don’t want to spend my birthday looking at pictures of herpes!” (Yeah, I let him out of it, on the condition that he get the handouts and go over them…)
GB, I agree with you 100%
The first role of a parent is to prepare their child for the rest of his or her life. That includes instilling values, morality and teaching them about sex, drugs, tolerance, everything!
It is just my personal feeling that it cannot be reasonably expected that every parent be an expert on every subject. I think kids need the benefit of experts in these subjects, especially drugs and sex.
As an example, there is no way my dad could have ever had a drug talk with me; he smoked pot just a few times in college. My mom did some more experimentation, but she would have been ill equipped; I did way more drugs than she ever even thought of.
So, translate this to say, a single father with a daughter. Is he going to be able to adequately explain to his daughter sex from a woman’s point of view? Probably not. But he should do what he can. And then school should be there to give more in depth education. That’s my feeling. I dunno, maybe I’m not expressing myself clearly; but I do agree with you. It should be the parent’s job to raise their kid, not someone else’s. But at the same time, what do we have educators for if they aren’t going to educate?
A 20% failure rate?
That’s my understanding of the general “typical use” failure rate, rounded up a bit to account for the horny teenager factor. I’ve heard numbers like that a few times, but I wouldn’t know where to dig them up.
Depends on the method and how prone it is to user error actually. Condoms are around 20% for teens, the pill, closer to 25-30%, shots/implants are more reliable but often not available/recommended for teens as it can impact development, sponge/diaphragm is roughly 20% as well, so yes Dhoti is generally speaking accurate or being somewhat conservative (Shocking I know
)
Now I’m getting scared… no one has said anything in like half an hour… did me agreeing with Dhoti cause the universe to collapse and leave me sitting here alone…?
*Curls up in fetal position*
I’m sorry, I promise to never agree with a conservative or libertarian ever again… just bring them back…
*cries*
Hey, GB. I suspect Danbala went to bed. It is some time in the wee morning hours in Sweden, after all.
Yeah, but no one is posting anywhere…
*Blinks*
Mabs
*squeezes*
Um, I believe it’s called ‘real life.’ Horrible how it interferes with your online entertainment, isn’t it?
“Life” what is this “life” of which you speak… LOL
22:00(MST) lull appears to be early tonight
Hee hee. “Life” would be that thing just taken over by a noisy little person.
BTW, Planned Parenthood has breakdowns on birth control numbers. I haven’t figured out yet if they explain how they got those numbers; there’s so much info on their website. I was distracted by the section on ‘healthy relationships,’ which I’m thinking would be good for our clients. IMO, statistics are meaningless if you don’t know how they were produced.
Dude, chill, I’m always here.
I can’t link to a reference for my numbers, but the study showed that in-spite of traditional numbers being significantly higher, teenagers were more likely by a significant margin to experience failure of birth control methods. Most of this can be explained due to tendency of teenagers to be less careful about using birth control correctly, being less familiar with how to use them properly, and for hormonal BC methods being significantly less effective in teens who are still settling in to their monthly cycles than adults who have a more regular pattern.
My mom would say it was also due to teenagers being less truthful about not using BC. Lying is a tricky thing to normalize for. She would agree with the other factors. Students in our part of the state were lucky as her workers did the sex ed classes for HS’s as part of their outreach — incredibly knowledgeable people with frightening stories of accidental pregnancies and failure rates for contraceptives.
Personally I am very opposed to hormonal birth control methods, especially for teenagers.
Yeah, I did go to get my beauty sleep after that post.
20% is amazingly high. There’s some bad need for proper sex ed there, for sure.
Danbala, I believe (as I said I didn’t find exactly how Planned Parenthood derived their numbers) that these are actual results from clients, including all the complete fecking morons out there. Failure rates for responsible couples taught how to use barrier methods properly (eg that ‘contraceptive jelly’ =/= Smuckers) are very low. My mother used to break hers down by age groups, which was quite enlightening.
Mabsba, I swear I remember either an “urban legend” type story or joke about a woman who is prescribed a diaphragm and contraceptive jelly by her doctor and returns a few months later pregnant; when the doctor inquires as to how carefully she had used the product, she indignantly told him she’d used the jelly VERY regularly; put it on her toast every morning even though it tasted terrible!
Diss, I don’t know if that one is true, but the one about someone (at least one someone) using regular strawberry jelly is true. Good counselors catch these people in the teaching: my mom told me once a woman asked if it mattered what kind of jelly she used, so Mom does the spiel about different brands and that some people are sensitive to some types or scents. Suddenly it was if a light flashed on in the woman’s head and she said something to the effect of ‘I don’t buy this in the grocery store, do I?’ Yep, she was thinking Smuckers.
Show and tell is worth a thousand words! My colleagues and I do ‘show, tell, and pass around’. And we just got some new models to demonstrate the methods on. Amusingly, the male is 3/4 size, and the female is 100%. A little psychology being played?
I don’t know if they didn’t do an actual demonstration or if they just hadn’t gotten to it yet.
But the issue is: she is preaching abstinence only, and also is the SHINING EXAMPLE of how abstinence only does not work in the real world. If she can’t make it work in her own home, how does she expect the rest of the country to do it?
If a democrat had a kid with this situation, you betcha it would be on the forefront of the republican news wagon.
It’s that simple.
And that would be true if the lol was of Sarah Palin but it is Bristol so I am not sure your logic applies.
Didn’t Bristol speak to some group at least once after her child was born about abstinence only sex ex? I remember reading an article last summer with her and her mom together because I thought after her comments about how it wasn’t realistic why was she promoting it?
Yes she did. After re-reading the lol I can see where your point is valid; however the lol should have said do as I say not as I DID. I think the do as I say not as I do makes it sound like the author is making her out to be a hypocrite which she would be if she were preaching it before the whole pregnancy thing. I guess the bottom line I think is that we are all probably a bit of a hypocrite to some degree. I did things in my youth that I would never advocate my kids to do.
I don’t actually have kids (I haven’t found the proper sized cage yet), but I also would feel very hypocritical for outlawing my kids from doing a number of things, rather than letting them make an informed choice.
After all, I clearly grew up to be a responsible adult. *twitches a little*
Perhaps “outlaw” is the wrong word. But there are things I’ve done that I really don’t want my kids doing, and while I won’t “outlaw” them, I will be there with the “learn from my experience” lecture.
Now, I wouldn’t go the route that my mother and her family did, and that’s outright forbid me from doing something they thought was a bad idea (getting married at 20). I had family members tell me they wouldn’t come to our wedding. My brother turned down my request to be my best man. My mother SCREAMED at me about it repeatedly. My cousins tried to get me to come to visit them to talk me out of it. All of this pushed us into getting married faster, not slower, and it put a serious wedge between us and my family for a while. Since nobody showed any interest in a wedding, we ended up getting married at the court house.
While I know it would be a catastrophe for many people, it’s the best decision I’ve ever made. I don’t know what I would’ve done without her.
In conclusion, if my kid wanted to get married at that age, I’d warn him/her of how much harder things will be if they do, but if they insist, I’ll be supportive of their decision.
I can’t say I’d be supportive of every decision they’d make, but that one I probably would be.
There’s no way in HELL I’m letting my kids do half the $hit I did….. I don’t want grandkids in the Phillipines…
Seriously though, there is some learn from my mistakes, and learn by making your own.
Oh, I don’t care for the lol much. I thought it was a bit stupid and preachy. (Almost like those of that ONE person whom we don’t name for fear of summoning.) I actually think it makes her more hypocritical to be promoting something now that she herself said wasn’t realistic. I could see her talking against teen pregnancy and being credible at that since she can say, hey, look, I did it, it’s not a great idea. But to speak for abstinence after saying it’s unrealistic?
No. It doesn’t. Because Bristol has since started preaching abstinence, which is why it says ‘Do as *I* say, not as *I* do.”
It’s nothing to do with Sarah Palin.
She is such a hypocrite….its like smoking and trying to advocate a healthier nation thru healthcare law and such…err…ducks for cover
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Except trying to reform health care isn’t about “trying to advocate a healthier nation”, it’s about making sure everyone can get health care. Not the same thing at all. Good try, though.
Oh Reeeally. Then why is there so much other crap in the current healthcare bill? Student loans for example. Of course, according to Pelosi, we have to pass if first to find out what is really in it. Sounds like a good idea to me…not. Wake up people. It is crappy legislation and everyone knows it. If the new helathcare obination isnt about advocating a healthier nation then why is there so much in the plan around preventative medicine, treatments etc? Hell…before you know it the rest of the US will have to follow NYC in not being allowed to add salt to restaurant food.
Of course, what Pelosi was referring to was what the House was going to do in response to the Senate bill and hence was a perfectly reasonable answer…in context. She will be able to say what she thinks the House should do once the Senate bill is passed. Until the Senate passes it, no one in the House can intelligently say if they disagree or agree with it.
But that is kind of the point I think. She can make all the promises that she wants about what they will do after this horrible bill is passed but it does amount to a hill of beans as her promises are empty promises without the support of the Senate. Why not pass something now that has all she is promising instead of hoping that it gets passed in the senate. Given the governments past record on both sides why should anyone put any faith in this bill? In my eyes it is just another of many failed programs that will go bankrupt and cost the people alot of money without acceptable results. I am all for healthcare reform and providing healthcare to american citizens but why don’t they start with fixing the failed programs they already have?
I think maybe I was not clear. It was a hypothetical discussion about what the House would do if the Senate passed a bill first. So her comment makes perfect sense — she would have to wait to see what the Senate passed. THEN she could say whether she would recommend whether or not the House should pass it as is or change it or whatever.
Concerning what she should do right now, since the Senate is the stumbling block here, it makes sense to wait to see what the Senate is willing to pass and work from there.
“It was a hypothetical discussion about what the House would do if the Senate passed a bill first. So her comment makes perfect sense — she would have to wait to see what the Senate passed.”
It is my understanding that her comment was in reference to the currently passed senate bill that they are asking the house to pass this week. Is that not the case? If so, then she, assuming she has read it which is a huge assumption since it is 2600 plus pages, should know what is in the bill. The scary part for me and most americans (once again assuming 95% of the poles are correct) is that the bill is so ambiguous that it does not address most of the issues in detail. Why cant the congress pass several detailed bills detailing what they are going to do to fix the current problems in medicare, medicaid and the insurance companies?
And why the hell are they not working as hard on helping out the economy and jobs as they are on controlling healthcare and education?
Hm. Maybe we are talking about two separate incidents, then. Because I heard her say something along those lines when the Senate bill was still under consideration.
Personally, I don’t see health care, the economy and jobs as separate issues. I don’t know what you are referring to as far as education, unless you mean that huge gift to the standardized testing industry they call NCLB that they should have repealed on day one and still should.
Members of the House are poised to vote this week to add a major overhaul of the student loan industry to the health care reform bill that the House will vote on this week.
The student lending bill easily passed the House last September by a vote of 253 to 171. The legislation eliminated the role of private lenders, which have received billions of dollars in federal subsidies and guarantees over the last 35 years to encourage them to lend to students. Instead, students would now get their loans directly from the Department of Education starting July 1 of this year.
So now that government that manages our money so well will be in charge of what students and what colleges get loans. Of course I am sure that there will be lots of nice added stipulations to go along with the money.
Where is all the money going to come from when those that have the means leave the country? If we continue down this path it will happen…just look at NY and CA.
I have not read the bill and will probably not read the bill, but I would find the two criticisms of the bill 1) that it is too long and 2) that it is too ambiguous, at odds with each other. I have heard that the Republican counter-proposals have been too general (and I have read that b\c it is really short). Unless the bill simply repeats itself, it seems difficult to write a 2600 page bill that does not provide some detail.
I am not saying that either criticism is invalid, but that there seems to be somewhat of a tension between the two criticisms
Too long and too ambiguous are not at odds with each other when you consider that the legalese in the bill makes it necessary to use 15 words where one will do. Also, they have to have room in there for the provisions that say that no Congress after this one can repeal certain parts of the bill for any reason….
If it is all legalese, then shouldn’t all laws be at a minimum 2600 pages.
HAHA -Luckily, Congress can repeal any law, with the same sized majority that passed it (assuming both houses pass it and the president doesn’t veto it).
Not according to some of the language of this bill, they can’t. It specifically forbids repeal of certain sections.
Of course, this is a government entitlement program. The best we can hope for is that it will grow slowly to envelope us all, as opposed to smothering us in its gelatinous folds within 5 years. It will NEVER be repealed, regardless of the language.
If they didn’t put that in there, they know the Republicans would deep six the whole thing the instant they got control back.
But if it’s so popular, why would they need to? Even if it is, and the Republicans took it out, wouldn’t they be replaced by Democrats in two years who’d put it right back in?
They’re not that stupid. They know it’s been a tough sell all along (the fact that Pelosi has to go fishing for votes in a heavily Democrat-controlled congress is a really bad sign), so if they’re gonna get it done, they want to get it done NOW. If it gets taken out by the Republicans, it likely isn’t going back.
I still don’t know what to think about the whole thing. The entire thing has been a bigger mess than it was supposed to be, and I worry that it’s not the actual reform that we need.
Yeah — unless you live in Nebraska or Louisiana or New England, it’s looking like a pretty raw deal. And the bill and the process are getting sleazier all the time…
Honestly, at this point, I have no idea what’s in it anymore. Does anybody??? I remember a few days ago Andy did an ordinal post with some info about the health care bill…except it was really really old. It was like 179 versions ago. The last I heard they took out taxes on the rich to appease the Republicans, so now I really don’t know how he’s gonna pay for it. I’ve heard them suggest that cutting waste in government will free up enough money to run it, but who knows. But as a commie bleeding heart liberal, I’m not supposed to care about how we pay for it.
Although if it’s gonna cost this much freaking money, it’d be nice if it actually did SOMETHING.
I think now it says something about ducks having to wear long pants.
Ducks wearing long pants? Dude, I’m totally in favor of that.
If it were really about getting everyone healthcare, then it wouldn’t take 4 years to kick in while at the same time leaving out 15-30 million people who aren’t currently insured.
And I love the nugget about employers getting a 3000% reduction in premiums, so now they can give you a raise…..would someone please do the math on that for me based on a $4000 premium and see what that comes out to?
I actually agree that it is mildly hypocritical, although I would guess that being the President is not exactly conducive to quitting smoking.
I smoke and most definately agree with your assesment. I would be smoking my azz off if I had to deal with everything a leader of the state had to deal with including me and my crazy right fringed friends
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I don’t smoke, but my coffee addiction is relatively debilitating. I don’t think I could handle much real responsibility without injections of caffeine.
thanks for updating this
Meh, not funny. Supposed to be funny. Try harder people.
Do as I say, not as I did… would be an accurate caption.
But things go so much smoother when people blindly follow my commands!
This isn’t funny.
She is obviously the ONLY one in the world who has done this. We need to find a new default for when we’re out of jokes…
You could more properly caption it as “Teen Pregnancy: Learn from my mistake” (maybe with a small photo of Levi Johnson in the corner… )
That’s even less funny than this lolame. Are you EWA$$hat?? Admit it! Preachy, unfunny, lacking any irony; yep, you are EW’s sock.
Levi’s an ASL translator?
Quack.
Abstinence makes the fond grow harder.
Quack. Why can’t we get rid of him?????
Because he’s Belgian and he keeps turning sideways to pretend to be German.
Slight picture fail, as that’s her brother she’s holding there…
Dhoti how about you shut it. Stop making fun of people who have the other half of a brain you are missing. Troofer hahaha, so funny that you keep drinking the kool-aid this and the next administration serve. You are a conformist sheeple.
Baaaaaaaaaaa.
Also, quack.
BBBBBBBBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! STFU!!!
Go eat more of that peanut butter tubby the anti Peanut Butter Conservative EWAdamsist Not Funny Name.
Seriously? That’s all you got? I kinda pitty you now.
If you really did pitty him, you’d have a witty pun handy. Well? Where is it?
I’m butter than him, Rando; I would never stoop to such udder lows as name calling.
Is it name calling if i call him by his name?
Quack. I bet every time you turn on the radio, you hear “I’m a Troll Man!”
50/50 odds you have a “Trolls are Kool” tattoo for a tramp stamp.
Do not address me, child!
*snerk*
Yeah, because Dhoti is FIRMLY in the Left’s camp.
Quack.
He’s got my number — I make Rando look like a neocon and VNV look like Gordon Gekko.
I love Troofers, I really do. Apparently no one ever told them “if you sit down at the poker table and you don’t see the sucker, you’re getting cleaned out”. It’s funny how that other 99.99% of the population gets written off as mindless sheeple, baaaaaaa, quack.
“I make Rando look like a neocon”
*twitch*
I always thought Paul Wolfowitz was kind of cute.
Why didn’t anyone tell me about this poker table thing?! No wonder I’m broke.
Since she’s holding Trig to make her own belly bump less obvious, I think it’s an acceptable use…
….And this LOL really belongs on LFMF, dontcha think?
Quack.
her name sounds like an oil used for car engines…
Ha! Moderated! Let’s try that again: ‘Bristols’ is C0ckney rhyming slang for ‘t!ts’
Well, she’s got those in spades.
Well at least we can’t poke fun at the political elite classes for this one…
It’s okay when a holier-than-thou “pro-morality” Republican politician’s daughter has a bastard, right? They’re family values bastards!
A day late and a hundred IQ points short. Away with you.
Oh, and quack.
It’s possible to have a negative IQ? Who knew.
See Biden, Joe. (Also Adams, EW A$$hat.)
honk… I mean quack.
I like how when it comes to sex it’s always the woman’s fault and she is the slut – saying nothing of the guy and being a father.
Also, if you’re having sex, you can get pregnant.
It’s amazing how quick we are to criticize other people when we probably don’t even care. Does it affect you somehow that Bristol got pregnant? Does it make your life worse somehow? What if you did the same thing? Half of you people commenting on this picture probably did the same thing or want to and are going to. Stop talking about her mistake like it makes her stupid or immature or ignorant. Just because you’d do it before marriage out of stupidity or immaturity or ignorance doesn’t mean she would. Maybe she’s a human being and maybe human beings make mistakes. Live with it, you’ll survive somehow trust me.
So there.
Or maybe not.
Speak for yourself, I’m going to travel back in time so I can get pregnant in high school!
It was her mother who spoke of abstinence, not her. Let’s get it straight first of all.
And second of all, cheezburger network is SUPPPPER Liberal, anything as liberal as this goes past the vote page really quick. Conservative lol’s never get on, even if they do have a ton of positive votes.
Hmmm, supper. Now you made me hungry.
Are you a supper liberal, Danbala? I’m more of a brunch conservative/libertarian, myself.
I’m magnificently liberal about any food, as long as I get it in time.
1) Sarah Palin was never in favor of abstinence only sex ed. 2) I don’t recall Bristol Palin ever preaching abstinence only. 3) To liberals on pundit kitchen: Is having a baby really that much worse than having an abortion? Think about it. What if Bristol had had an abortion instead? Wouldn’t you all be poking fun at her for doing so, maybe even more than you are towards Bristol having the baby? Just saying. I’m pro-choice btw.
1) I’m pretty positive that Sarah has said she supports abstinence only 2) the evidence was presented here earlier that Bristol has been an abstinence only speaker 3) maybe if Bristol and Levi had been prepared for the situation, they wouldn’t have had to make a decision about having the baby or aborting it
I don’t think liberals make fun of her for having the baby, rather they make fun of her for getting pregnant
I can see how this would be for Sarah not Bristol. Sarah Palin preachs abstinence-only education for kids, but even her own kid doesn’t follow it. The hypocrisy is why people are laughing, not the fact that she had the baby.