Trolling the Tea Party is apparently too easy for 4chan, so they’ve decided to ramp up their political trolling to the next level with the implementation of Operation: Desert Troll. I love watching Anon do what they do best, especially when major news organizations pick up their stories as fact.
I’m almost certain we’ll see something about Hamid Karzai converting to Christianity before the end of August from at least one of the major media outlets like Fox News or MSNBC. But who will it be? Who will fall for the rumor? Anyone care to make a guess?
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You know, I strive to consider every group of people on the face of this planet in light of their accomplishments and not just their failings. Every people group has something to contribute to our global society; some unique nuance that betters us all as people.
But no, I realize it’s a crock of bullcrap when I consider 4chan. Pretty much devoid of any use.
Someone here said that 4chan is actually a site most frequented by Furries and is really a forum with all kinds of bizaare stuff on it.
Sounds about right for this kind of mentality.
@Some Guy
That is the whole point of 4chan and more specifically Anon. They do what they want, when they want, because they can for not other reason than because they can.
‘what they want’ as long as it doesnt include actually getting in physical reach of the people they act against.
Defacing facebook pages — ooooh thats real ‘risky’ and heroic
Bunch of fecking script kiddees who are ‘great’ in their own minds and probably shunned by normal people in RL. Real hackers dont associate with feebs like that.
Whatever… heh… more than 240 characters & I don’t read it.
Down with TowlHeads! hur hur…
Yeah, because they totally didn’t protest outside of the church of scientology, which is extremely risky giving how sue happy that church is.
People who have no money dont have to fear lawyers in civil cases much.
So they were in ‘danger’ from lawyers??? Riiiiight.
No, they were in danger from the Church of Scientology’s harassment tactics. It doesn’t matter if you have money or not, Co$ will do everything they possibly can to make your life miserable. And they’re very, very good at it.
They are considered a harmful cult in more one country for a reason zippy. Do a bit of research on them. They are down right scary. Same goes for 4chan
Scientologists will send Tom Cruise to your house. Nuff said.
I think that works the same way as nuclear weapons – the threat alone is enough to quell any danger of attack.
I’m amused when the ignorant try and explain subject-matter that they obviously have no freaking clue about.
Please tell me what usually happens to bothersome wasters like these when they are forced out of the shadows they hide in ??? They fear that you know because THEY also know what will happen to them.
you have no idea what you’re talking about
i’m at a loss for where someone said it was supposed to be heroic
And yet 4chan (and /b/tards in particular) have done helpful things, such as actually catching a murderer.
It’s not all a cesspool people make it out to be. It’s just that the cesspool is easier to find, and more visible, there.
Really? What? When was this?
I want details so I can see the story for myself. Story link or it didn’t happen.
I’ll see if I can dig it up, but it happened a couple of years ago, IIRC.
some perp posted on 4chan (the furry site) and they cooperated with police — is it something like THAT which is ‘catching a murderer’ ???
So, these would be other subjects (4chan and furries) that you don’t know anything about?
Oh, and cooperating with police is helping to catch a murderer, so yes.
Lets spread the rumor and fake pics he cosplaying as Marlyn monroe!
IMAGINE IT IN YOU’RE HEAD!!! NOW!!
Zipper as a trannie; Now there’s an image I didn’t need!
I don’t think they make lingerie that size.
More ignorant asumptions ???
Think Im fat?? or bulky??? Pull all your stuff out of your arse like that ???
They wanted me for the highschool track team but I was too busy with other sports.
No, they just don’t make anything to fit over that big fat head of yours and the ginormous ass that you are.
haha, you’re fat
Yes thats the kind of deviant thoughts that websites like that harbor.
You’d fit right in.
Admit it, you tapdance in a bathroom stall, don’t you?
Actually I see him more like the type to have an umbrella in the shower singing “Singing in the Rain!”
For a second time we agree. I would think cooperating with Police would be helping to catch a murderer.
Zipper care to define how that isn’t?
You’re a troll, and another person who’s never been to 4chan. It’s not a ‘furry’ site, no more than ICHC is a furry site for posting kittens. I believe there’s a single board there dedicated to furries, but there’s boards there dedicated a lot of different things.
And yes, cooperating with police is helping to catch a murderer.
Saying 4chan has done something helpful or useful is like saying that since syphilis might have contributed to the death of Ivan the Terrible it’s not all bad.
It’s still a crappy disease just like 4chan.
Let me guess… you’ve never actually been to 4chan, have you?
No, I’ve visited the site before, which is why I compare it to syphilis.
Rude and offensive.
Probably see it on msnbc (mslsd), they usually broadcast made up nonsense.
[Citation Needed]
You just won an internet, wiki-edition!
http://www.msnbc.com, http://www.cnn.com, http://www.cbsnews.com, http://www.nbcnews.com
There are 4 citations for you. Need more?
What exactly should we be looking for when we go to these sites? A cite is not simply a website. It involves some aspect of providing evidence to demonstrate the validity of your logic.
Should we just be wowed at how liberal these websites are when we arrive there? The three headlines on MSNBC’s website are something about indicting Blagojevich, Tiger Woods (Clearly the PGA is a haven for liberals), and a stabbing in Israel.
Explain.
Yeah, they broadcasted that Sarah Palin isn’t God’s handpicked choice for President in 2012, and manchowder went batsh1t. How dare they! he said.
How about lying about the black guy with the gun at a tea party rally? Oh sorry, I told the truth about your idols and ruined your day.
What lie would this be, exactly?
Gotta break your habit of only paying attention to the leftard media that feeds your delusions and keeps them growing.
The leftard media clipped some footage to show a guy with a gun at a Tea Party ralley as part of the usual ‘theyre all haters and racist’ hit piece but the same footage was located and it was then obvious that it was intentionally clipped becaue that Tea Parties participant who was armed was very definitely black.
Its the kind of warped reality that people like you are fed 24/7 and you guzzle the poison down with a dullards smile on your face (this would be the ‘sh*t eating grin’ that George Carlin talked about long ago)
Okay, and what did they say, exactly, that could be considered a lie?
You pretend to be smart, but say such dumb/ignorant things.
Try looking up the definition of ‘distortion’ — its another method of lying.
Okay, and what did they say, exactly, that could be considered a distortion?
yep, they have a black guy, obv not racist
Meh. I don’t have idols. Silly nonsense really.
Stop wearing a cross, THEN we can talk about idolatry.
Sorry little daddy, did I interrupt your masterbating session to keith olberman, so you had to lash out at me? Next time I will wait until you are finished.
Ew, Olbermann? Seriously? He’s almost as crazy as you are. And it’s mastUrbate. Geez, if you’re gonna insult me, at least have the courtesy to spell correctly.
Oh, you must be finished now, was old keith good for you today? I hope you clean the TV screen for when your idol obama shows up later.
Trying to replace arguments with feeble personal attacks? That so cool!
In good company here then with the libtard/leftard peanut gallery.
haha, fatty strikes again
… Trying to replace arguments with feeble personal attacks? That so cool!
wow im not from amercia so this looks petty to me…
stupid seperatists fighting over which side is more idiotic
I live in america, and this STILL looks petty to me, though im just a teenager so what do I know….
That’s so weak.
All the cool kids are masturbating nowadays. Only the homely and socially repressed still find the subject taboo or humiliating.
Seriously, Wicket’s got it right, hell I think I’ll go whack it to a double rainbow right now.
what does it mean?
*fapfapfapfapfap* *looks up*
What?
You can look stuff up with one hand? I am impressed.
i’m gonna need a napkin
At least he isn’t your lord and savior glenn beck.
Im thinkin more along the lines of FOX news they tend to follow the more religous radical route and anything to make christianity look better than the other religons is a top priority for FOX news watchers
Well theny they’re just like Fox, sorry, Faux News.
How can you mention “major news outlets” and “Faux News” in the same paragraph and not sh*t yourself laughing?
I can do it. “The major news outlets should be different from Faux News in that they need to report on the facts, not opinion.”
‘need’ (or rather should) and what they ACTUALLY do (spew out leftard pablum for people like you) are very different things. Libtard media doesnt even bother to lie anymore by denying accusations that they are leftwing-biased as they did for more than a decade.
Dude, if you knew ANYTHING about the left-wing, you’d know that the major media outlets are anything but “left wing”.
Man, what are you smoking? “Major” media not left wing? Wow, thats really really funny!! Even they admit it!!
[citation needed]
Ok.
Manchowder, I’m writing you a ticket for a 701 – being a right-wing @ss-hat in a public place. Pay the fine to 4chan.
Awww, leave him alone. He doesn’t know any better. The poor little dear.
You were the one who said “[citation needed]“. I just cited him.
I’m talking about the fine. You know that he can’t afford the fine that 4chan requires.
I’d LOVE to see 4chan get their hands on manchowder & zipper. It’d be like that scene in Indiana Jones 4 where the ants devour people.
“Fortune and glory, kid. Fortune and glory.”
Why do you want to see someone’s hands on me, isnt old keithy olberman doing it for you any more? Isn’t the thrill still shooting up your leg?
junior high, definitely junior high.
The thrill did go up my leg, but your mom stopped coming around. Quite sad.
Childish insults are responded to in kind.
Not a right winger at all. I am a proud independant, and I don’t like what is going on in Washington. Looks to me that someone had a little too much kool-aid today. Lay off that stuff, it will rot your brain!
Translation: “Right winger but don’t want to admit it.”
“kool aid” is a give-away, like “tax payer dollars.”
It’s kinda cute that they have code-words.
does s/he know what “independent” means?
an independent can be right or left wing, simple or radical. just means they’re not affiliated with an organized political party.
so s/he is an independent, I’m sure. s/he is certainly way out there in the stratosphere alone (notice how s/he has this fixation on masturbation? definitely alone.)
but also extreme right-wing.
Love it when these fellows use 40 year old insults like they are fresh and innovative. Then you have the other insults which were obviously taken from overhearing an argument between 2 12 year old boys.
You can be a right winger and still be an ‘independent’ or even a proud one at that.
Care to explain to me how Glenn Beck is left wing?
Delusional just as they want you to be.
Sorry, but you’re not qualified to make that statement. Your knowledge on a wide range of issues is nonexistent, but that doesn’t stop you from just making stupid crap up and trying to pass it off as real.
As soon as you start showing that you have a clue about what you’re talking about, perhaps my perceptions of you will change. However, until that time…
Hey! Did you guys hear the news? Hamid Karzai converted to Christianity.
yes I did. It was all over fox news four seconds before this poster was even made
This is actually kind of scary… why are people trying to stir up the the nut jobs attacking civilians and our soldiers? Do we really want to lose more American lives over someone’s twisted idea of a joke?
Ummm… when did you engage in combat with Iran?
Last time I checked the US was all for (though hands off) the Iranian dissidents in their fight to put Karzai to the curb. Anonymous is international so this can’t be blamed on any one nation (I’m sure the US will get blamed anyway, but can legitimately claim innocence in this case).
Deep breaths. Not everything done by someone you don’t agree with is a personal attack.
How does Iran factor in to this?
Point to Dhoti.
Doh!!! My bad, I got my middle eastern leaders mixed up.
Just remember:
nice suit=Iran, funny hat=Afghanistan
Nice suit = Ahmadinnerjacket.
Lives in a country that is too freaking cold, so has to wear his hat at all times = Karzai
Ah, he just doesn’t want to show his bald head.
Um, I don’t have any hard numbers or anything, but I don’t think an internet-based rumor campaign is going to really have much of an impact on the average Afghan. In a place where “Hi-Tech” is running water I don’t see tweets, reddit posts, or even google bombing doing much in the way of swaying public opinion.
Just sayin’….
just fools the excrement eaters in the libtard media…..
Ok, just shut up, SHUT THE F**K UP!!!!
DO not ***ing accuse people of being brainless and only using insults when you are absolutely guilty of the same ***ing thing.
And how is Glenn Beck liberal?
Don’t feed the troll.
I’d rather punch the troll. That little internet tough guy would never say any of this to anyone’s faces.
Because internet gossip and irl gossip are entirely separate and nary the twain shall meet?
they def use the interwebz
posted the fake news on the republican nation commitee page, and the positively republican page on FB
yay… lets try to get someone killed.. After all Islamic extremists are known for their well thought out decision making and for debunking possible rumors before killing people.
You know, there are times when I really hate the anonymity of the internet and usually it has to do with something 4chan has done.
Sic semper tyrannis.
Not sure where your going with “Thus always to Tyrants” GBC.
My Bad, brain fart. I got him confused with Ahmadinnerjacket.
With all the publicity that 4chan is getting nowadays, could 4chan’s days be numbered?
slugs shrivel up when the light of day shines on them.
They probably have 10X as many new wannabees who claim to be 4chan (or whatever the dweebs call themselves) who will be getting the attention instead of the real lame-os (its really just all that stool-holding behavior — efects of their traumatic potty training days).
You never grew out of beating nerds up in high school, did you?
He probably got beat up by the high school nerds.
yeah, i heard zipper was really fat in high school
I actually was classified a ‘nerd’, but because I was into sports (ie- state championship level) and not some pudding, the dumber tards didnt want to bother me much.
So again my detractors make ignorant asumptions.
As for the 4chan-like tards that type didnt surface in the normal people that I associated with.
I don’t think so. “Nerds” are smart. You aren’t.
Infantile you are. Changing your nappies do need.
Farts in your general direction, Yoda does.
So, this is your first day on PunditKitchen?
Weak your Yoda impression is.
Don’t EVER touch Yoda again. and also, you still have no idea what you are talking about.
i heard you were fat in high school
Yeah, because ,you know ,you totally don’t do that.
And since you don’t have a sense of humor, that’s called sarcasm.
the mustard maltese cross has a fixation about masturbation.
zip seems to have an anal fixation.
hhmm… same junior high?
Fecal waste as an analogy of lefists is about right.
But dont let me disturb your brain dump.
Your obsession with waste is rather disturbing.
like I said, junior high.
in the lowest grade thereof.
Isn’t that really more like two-year-olds? I find most middle-schoolers more coherent and less obsessed with talking about personal functions than zipper.
Aren’t two-year olds still generally so ego-centrist they don’t pass any judgment on people/kids* around them? (They just whack them on the head with whatever they can grab?)
I’m thinking more along three year olds. (Still generally speaking.)
*) No, people and kids are not the same thing.
I was actually thinking of the obsession with bodily functions, especially what comes out during such functions.
Oh, right. “Pee and poo”-jokes go well with an audience of 2-year olds. I understand what you meant now. (Probably.)
(I work hard on avoiding to read posts in any actual context. It gives wonderful opportunities for totally inane misunderstandings in replies.)
Exactly what is a “lefist”? IS that supposed to be some hackneyed attempt at saying “fist” in french?
oui, I will punch you with my lefist.
You do realize your argument is “They’re insane, so let’s not say anything that might piss them off.”
I can work under those rules.
Bababababa is correct. Are we supposed to be slaves to political correctness? Being pvssies never helped anyone but the terrorists cringing behind their civilian meat-shields. When a bully threatens you and everyone you know with total annihilation for merely EXISTING, do you shut up and hope that if you try real hard to not offend them they will go away? NO!! You kick their ass and grind their teeth into dust. These people could not possibly be offended by us any more than they are, so it is up to us to preserve the integrity of the ideals that pissed them off in the first place.
So nuke the country? It ain’t that simple in war, not like a schoolyard fight. That’s yet another reason why the countries=individuals analogy fails.
“So nuke the country…” Hm. I remember saying something about civilian meat shields, not suggesting nuclear annihilation. It’s really my fault, I should have been more clear that my point is we are fighting a war of politics just as much as a physical war. If we pander to these extremists, not only have we lost half the battle but let the world know that our beliefs in freedom are not even worth SAYING ALOUD.
Right, because that’s exactly what the left wants to do: Pander to terrorists. Get real.
Sweet Jesus on a stick, WHY IS EVERYONE PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH?! For goodness’ sake, if you disagree with anything I’ve said, feel free to argue! But don’t invent things that I NEVER SAID and disagree with them!!
Okay, then who wants to “pander to these extremists” (your words)? The right wing frequently says this same exact thing so I apologize if it appears that you’re using the talking points of the Right.
Doesn’t it seem as if few whole groups of people say definitively that “Islam has gone too far”? I’m not talking about groups, you see, but individuals.
I’m still confused about which person “panders to these extremists”. I don’t know anyone that does.
His point is that by being politically correct and trying to appease the terrorists, we’re telling the world that our ideals aren’t worth fighting for. Also, they’re not going to stop hating us just because we try to appease them, so we shouldn’t sacrifice our ideals for their sake.
And who is trying to be “politically correct and trying to appease the terrorists”?
Bababababa:”…so let’s not say anything to piss them off’” Dr. Oh-no:” I can operate under those rules
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Errr. I don’t understand what you are saying. I’ve read it three times, and it makes no sense. Can you rephrase it for those of us who are .. well, me, I suppose?
Furthermore, which side are YOU on? The corrupt Republican theocrats that will drive you babbling and paranoid-schizophrenic within a month? Or do you prefer the limp-d!ck Democrats that blow everything completely out of proportion and waste untold trillions of dollars trying to create a dystopian nanny state? Bullocks, I say. Moderation is what keeps me semi-sane.
Moooo!
Hear, hear!
I dun goof’d! God dammit, iPhone…
Democrats don’t do that.
I like how you claim it’s the Democrats that “blow everything completely out of proportion and waste untold trillions…[sic]…trying to create a nanny state”. Were you asleep for the 8 years that Bush was in office, or maybe you just forgot about the ungodly amount of spending the W’ administration thwarted on two unpaid wars and the most irresponsible tax-cuts that emptied any hint of a government surplus. If you don’t like “Nanny-State” Government then you might want to look up the Home Land Security Act of 2002…you already live in one. I’m not claiming either party is great or horrible, i’m just pointing out that your over-generalized accusations are not that accurate.
Well, I couldn’t go into detail because my comments are already insanely long. By omission, can I say that you agreed with my general assessment of the radical Republicans? So what’s wrong with my general description of radical liberals? And BTW President Bush sold out his own corrupt party, making him an a$$hole SQUARED in my book. I’ll remind you that at that time congress was democrat as well.
Because radical liberals are not the same as radical Republicans?
Simply being “Democrat” doesn’t make you a liberal.
ehh. being a liberal or being a conservative is subjective at best. you can be both and i’d assume many people are. Both sides have decent parts and both sides …ahem… have dirty parts. Voting Republican or Democratic however, is not subjective and there is a definite Yes or No answer. Not sure where i’m going with this, I think i originally disagreed with your post and then, while responding, I convinced myself otherwise…
Democrats weren’t elected majorities in both Houses until 2006. This blame game can easily go both ways, it’s counterproductive. My goal is to get you to stop babbling misinformation about subjects that you don’t seem to have a complete grasp on.
You hang out here and you don’t understand exaggeration for the sake of emphasis?
That’s a noble sentiment and I agree. The difference again (in this case) is that this is not you kicking their ass. It’s more like you grabbing another kid putting him in front of the bully and telling the bully he called his mother fat. If you want to stand up to the bully do so, but don’t throw someone else at him and pretend it’s you fighting back.
Thank you. And really, I understand and agree with your position: sacrificing Karzai does no one any good. Obviously that includes the president. I was taking a more defensive stance-WE are not the ones that should be silenced in our own country! I know that(to a limited extent) we can shout our disapproval of the horrors of terrorism, and I find the mere suggestion that we should be silent for fear of aggravating them repugnant. To reiterate: we should be able to draw as many Mohammeds and write as many editorials as we want, but spreading dumped to harm the president is wrong.
…dumped? The hell kind of autocomplete is that??…
You’re right. We shouldn’t use PC terms. It might offend people.
Not really my argument is let’s not lie about someone converting to Christianity when it can get them killed. I don’t really care if we piss them (The extremists) off legitimately, I supported the free expression of the political cartoonists who wish to draw Mohamed, as well as Southpark both of which really piss off the extremists. The difference is that they know what they are getting into ahead of time, Karazi however did not convert to Christianity. If he had actually converted that is one thing, but disseminating false information like this is reckless.
So, what are you saying? Now they try to kill him because of a rumor? How is that honestly any different from all the other times they’ve tried to kill Karzai? He’s been the target of assassination attempts before and will continue to be a target until he does die regardless of all this.
I’m saying there is a good chance you could get someone who was wishy-washy to attempt to kill him as well. While yes he is working with the western powers he is still Muslim and some sects place a “do not touch” on him because of that. By starting this rumor it removes that little layer of protection, Why add to the number of extremists trying to kill him? It’s a cowardly action done by people who have no concept or care about others. typical 4chan crap.
Oddly enough, this is my coworkers argument as well.
If we followed that rule no one would ever say anything, ever.
Hey, y’know what’d be teh irony? If a month later, an Anon regular grievingly reports that his brother just got offed in Afghanistan by some Taliban psycho who was screaming something about “kaffir Karzai!”
In the real world, actions have consequences. Sometimes, your own get hit by them.
great, now counter-bloggers would get ahold of this picture, and use it as proof that the rumors aren’t true… just like they did to Justin Bieber’s death, and his deportation to North Korea. ._.
What if this is just a fake story about 4Chan starting a fake rumor? I don’t even know whats real anymore. Damn internet!
Actually, this is a fake lol site featuring a fake story about a fake story about 4chan faking a news story. Also, 4chan may or may not be real.
I know. It makes my head hurt too.
We need to go deeper.
I haven’t even seen that movie, and this made me laugh.
Movie? I thought he was quoting me from last night.
Ok. Dhoti FTW. New twist on the whole that’s what she said punch line.
*correction: new twist on the hole
I believe that 4chan exists; I’m not so certain about the Tea Party!
I heabye declare it both fake and real and vis versa and that 4chan is really a half eaten lemon tart sitting in a Starbucks trashcan in Memphis and then that statement is just propaganda put out by the CIA to distract everyone from the recent Cat Alien invasion..
Cats are aliens? I fvcking knew it.
CATS: How are you gentlemen !! All your base are belong to us.
where’s your weighted metal token?
spin it and then you’ll know.
that’s not cool…
RULES 1 & 2.
Sounds like something done by a bunch of people who have no real life.
Bedwetters usually try to divert attention from themselves in a similar fashion.
Actually that rumor is virtually the same kind of accusation done years ago by muslim opponents.
It really doesnt matter because Muslims are just as happy to kill each other as they are to kill people of other religions.
talk about a broad brush!!!
BTW, have a peaceful and happy Ramadan.
Wow, you’re a bigoted twit, aren’t you? I have several Muslims whom I work with and they have no intentions of killing anyone.
I call BS.
There’s NO ONE in the service industry, regardless of faith, religion, or creed, who doesn’t want to kill someone.
I work in the service industry.
All teachers do.
High school teachers have to deal with more of the offensive behavior than do airline flight attendants.
I don’t want to kill anybody. or even grab a beer and run out (on them) across the field. and there are many, many others like me.
Fair enough. I have several Muslims whom I work with who have no intentions of killing anyone due to religious differences.
“Wow” yess wowo what an ignoramus you are.
Sunni vs Shiite (and both of those against the other muslim sects). Only a blind deaf and dumb person would have missed all the muslim-on-muslim bloodshed/bombing that even the leftard media had shown.
And what about the VAST MAJORITY of Muslims that have no interest in killing and find the act disgusting?
There “christian” on christian violence too.
“It really doesnt matter because Muslims are just as happy to kill each other as they are to kill people of other religions.”
GASP! You mean they are …
Just like all other people!?!?!?!?!?!???!!?!?
This is far too idealistic even for those Anon brats.
Dude, as if not enough Islamic Rage Talibannies are trying to off him already…
This is no rumor: Afgan Parliment want to execute any Muslum who converts to Chrtistianity or Hindu. Why do we support racist terrorists?
Im sure that the politico being ‘outed’ probably has arranged to have most of his opponents fingered as ‘secret jews’ or in pay of the jooooos….
cause the our now?
they may be sunzabishes, but they’re our sunzabishes.
that’s why.
Ah, ‘ Muslum ‘……………. like your redneck ignorance makes you any better.
Karzai is a former oil company employee which of you Union Oil Company of California. CALIFORNIA!!!!
That means he is a Cyborg form the Future! behold!
Final proof, if any were needed, that in the western world, people now fail to distinguish between what’s real and what isn’t. THIS WILL COST LIVES, YOU MORONS!
Anon is the Internet equivalent of Gotham’s Joker. They do what they want, when they want, for no reason other than their own enjoyment, and nothing you can say or do will stop them. Yes, for a grand part, they do limit their physical accomplishments to that of a lazy typist. Yes, for the grand part, they are immature (in the mind-bogglingly largest sense of the world), lewd beyond imagination, and heartless.
Yet, they organized massive real-life protests against the Church of Scientology. They use their hacking skills to locate people who are stupid enough to boast about their real-life law breakings. They are proficient lateral thinkers and often find practical solutions to everyday problems.
The point being, you can hate them and they won’t care. You can like them and they still won’t care. You can crack corn and, yes, they still won’t care. The only way to survive in a world with a Joker is to laugh with them; otherwise, you’re just going to be happy.
But, that’s just my two cents. Ultimately, you, like Anonymous, are going to handle this however you want.
*just going to be UNhappy. This is why they tell you to proofread things before you hit the “submit” button.
*shame*
don’t beat yourself up.
we’re all human.
you are forgiven.
Not getting into the right or wrong or consequences of such a rumor.. but does this not strike anyone else as a tongue in cheek response to the “President Obama is a secret Muslim” story that one of our… ahem, ‘news’… stations likes to play to ad nauseam.
Or a “half-breed Muslin” as per the sign. A search for “Obama Muslin &PunditKitchen” should find it if you don’t know what I’m talking about.
Yeah lets call kARZAI a ‘half breed christ’ and claim we found evidence he was born in ital
Oh, I’ve seen it. Even read the article in the (Florida, I think) newspaper about the …ahem, “gentleman”… who placed the sign in his yard…
The support reference was meant generally, not personally. Ok?
Mind your manners, SG. Even Democrats deserve politeness.
Funny how this person who posted the instructions for this intended prank (or whatever they want to call it) assumes “Islam’s hatred of all things Christian.” Clearly this person is unaware of the Qurans teaching and veneration of Jesus, Abraham, and other Biblical figures. (Though clearly some Muslims are unaware of it as well)
Also, what the heck is “Islamic turmoil” supposed to be? Turmoil is turmoil. Just like a terrorist is a terrorist. No need to ascribe a culture or religion to such terms.
Or maybe, even though they’re aware of it, they’re also aware that most true Muslims consider “Islamic terrorism” to be un-Islamic, and against the Qu’ran itself.
Er, whom does “they” refer to in your sentence? The poster from 4chan or the Muslims (really I meant to say “Muslims”)? I really hope I don’t come across as an ass, I really just want the pronoun clarified, sorry. :-/
Too many people believe that all Muslims are terrorists because the Koran says anyone who isn’t Muslim should be killed.
No, seriously, I actually had this argument with someone. I pointed out that her Bible is in favor of stoning people to death and she replied that she didn’t follow that part.
At that point I realized she was never going to get what I was getting at and gave up.
Except, of course, that the Qu’ran doesn’t say to kill someone simply because they’re not Muslim. In fact, the Qu’ran forbids it.
I think more people should actually READ some of the Koran, or talk calmly and intelligently with an American Muslim who lives near them. They would be astounded.
But, then, they would also have their ignorance, fear, and hatred taken from them. There are some idiots who highly prize their ignorance, hatred, and fear; they don’t want to lose them.
I have a friend who was friendly to her muslim neighbors and their sons even palled around together. Then their son went back to his homeland to learn about his culture. When he came back they wouldn’t even talk to my friend anymore or her son.
I know there are exceptions.
however, I have had conversations with and been friends with, quite a number of Muslims, both American and non-American.
Not a scientific sampling, I admit, but a larger one than your friend’s.
I have never found one who had the response that was experienced by your friend.
But I have many times seen that response in so-called Christians to Muslims.
I noticed you didn’t say anything about reading the Koran. I once had no knowledge of it, either, and had strange assumptions about it.
Then one day I attended a professional development workshop (teacher thing). We were each given a copy of ten religious quotes, and asked to mark each according to their source: Old Testament, New Testament, or Koran.
Having done a lot of Bible study in years of Sunday School, it was easy for me to spot that most were from the Old Testament, and a few from the New Testament. None mentioned Mohammed.
Then we were told the correct answers: all were from the Koran.
I later sponsored the Muslim Student Club and the Hindu Student Club at my school. (The Jewish students asked me to sponsor their club, too, but the admin said no. so I helped them find another teacher to sponsor.)
The meetings were kind of like little Sunday school lessons. enlightening. uplifting. I actually learned how to be a better Christian from these meetings.
The biggest enemy to bigotry is education.
amen! …or whatever response equates with that, in your religion or non-religion.
RAmen, judging by the gravatar image.
Those 8 for a dollar noodle bags, RAmen? is that what that avatar is?
My Gravatar image is the Flying Spaghetti Monster (an invention by those against teaching creationism/intelligent design in science classes).
I believe the FSM is real. It wasn’t invented by anybody!
I’ve been a worshiper for years. I’m against artist depictions though. that’s sacrilege.
Mmmm…..sacrilicious.
Sura 5:33 The just retribution for those who fight GOD and His messenger, and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter.
Well I certainly can’t fight what I don’t believe exists, so I’m safe right?
Point: interpretation is all, no matter how absolute the statement seems on the surface.
And I’m certainly not going to fight against God (considering I don’t believe that or any other deity exists) or his messenger (who is dead). I also have no issue with the religion of Islam itself.
I do take issue, however, with fundamentalism, of any stripe.
Woo! *secret atheist handshake*
I once told a Christian fellow that Jesus and Mohammed were quite similar and, when pressed for an example, joked, “well, they’re both dead!” He replied fervently, “the Lord Jesus is not dead.” Kinda killed the conversation.
And here I thought Jesus died for our sins…..well, crap.
I think it’s disgusting how people try to discriminate against an entire religion when it’s a few bad eggs that ruin it. My boss is a Muslim from Eastern Europe, as well as a few others at our store, and he doesn’t give a rat’s ass what religion anyone else is.
*thinks back to all the times Rando has talked about how miserable of a boss he has*
First of all, I wasn’t talking to you. Secondly, he’s mellowed out a lot since problems in the past. Thirdly, being a miserable boss is not the same as being an Islamic terrorist. Seriously, dude. WTF kind of post is that?
First of all, you made a post on an open forum.
Secondly, obeying Sura 5:33 isn’t a terrorist, it’s a commandment to the muslim. (one of many to kill those that don’t fall into the line of islam or decide to leave it)
Third, it’s pointing out how you always play things to suit your opinions.
Dammit Rando!
You know you weren’t supposed to acknowledge its posts!
That’s right VNV. A little bit of honesty in your world is harmful!
Well I wouldn’t expect it from you. You are a lying sack of sh1t. That’s why we recommend avoiding you.
This from the ego who claims that those who don’t agree with his opinions are idiots. I’m flattered!
Pssh… its not like anyone is gonna believe you. Geez. Everyone here knows you are a troll.
No, only the little “I’m a cool kid” insecure clique.
Just keep on lying. How dishonest…
Aw, vain attempts to insult me.
If you could be honest, even with yourself, you would know its just me telling you the truth. You need more honesty in your life, since yours seems void of it.
Be careful VNV, you keep making sure you have the last word. Keep it up and someone will come in here and declare how evil it is, and how THEY must have it.
Now you are being dishonest about that. Its you who keep responding to me.
We respond to each other, and you LIE and say it’s not you!
Oh the irony!
Sura 5 in it’s entirety calls for killing of those only in defense of your lands, never attack.
Would you like a long list of how Christians have been called upon to kill or murder because of their God?
Same God, Different story, learn the religions and use the whole phrase if you really want to get all pissy. The preceeding and following verse prove you to be what we’ve known all along… you’re a bigoted idiot who has an imaginary happy place to make themselves feel better.
KM, give me ONE scripture commanding the Christian to kill. (not the Hebrew, Christian)
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Furthermore, You can’t have the Christian Bible without the Hebrew Old Testament… so I don’t know WTF you’re smoking there.
!~!FLAME WAR!~! wait!….let me get the popcorn going. *settles into comfy chair* ok, I hope i didn’t miss anything. go ahead…proceed.
Zac was a *ahem* Hebrew prophet. And you are right, the old Testament is an important part of the Bible. But that isn’t a commandment to the Christian to kill anyone.
*munches popcorn* Wicket, is the Orville Redenbacher?
So you’re trying to tell me that the Old testament… the VERY BOOK that Jesus himself preached from (because any student of history and theology knows that the new testament came after the death of Christ, because Jesus himself was a Jew) is not commanding of the Christian faith?
Guess the 10 commandments don’t matter, and the whole Noah’s Ark thing not important, Genesis, We could just point out all of revelations… That’s an INCREDIBLY bloody section commanding all of the earth to fight to the death.
It’s good to know that you can throw out half of your own religion to make yourself feel better… just like the Islamic extremists can ignore the parts of their religion that promote peace in order for the mortal extremists to grab more power… just like the Christians have for centuries. Completely different, I can’t believe it. Your wisdom knows no bounds… because it simply is non-existent.
Luke 19
26- He replied, ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away.
27- But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.
Luke 19:27 is Jesus talking about a King. Not him commanding anyone to kill. Go back to verse 12 to see the beginning of the parable.
KM, I’m not throwing out half of my religion. I fully admit what was done in the old Testament. However, there are not any scriptures telling me, or any other Christian to kill.
Oh, wait, you’re asking him to read that verse in context? What a novel idea!!!
YEAH! I read it in context. And instead of trying to pretend it’s Jesus telling people to kill, I knew it’s about a king in a parable who was angry and ordered killing.
So therefore, by your own reading of the scriptures and the stories and teachings therein, you’d say that context is a pretty important thing to consider when quoting a verse?
This thread is horrible dishonest of you JAC… you should be ashamed….
It is. And context is what proves that sura 5 isn’t about invaders or war in islamic nations. How do you kill/maim/disgrace someone for waging war against a man that is dead?
See, sura 8 mentions war. Not fighting. If it were a misinterpretation, both suras would have used the same arabic word, and be interpreted the same. They do not. And sura 8 specifically mentions battle plans and such. The 5th sura mentions fighting against allah or muhammad. The context is out of place for war.
Wow! VNV coming back for one more insult. I’m flattered the great ego took another swing at me.
I’m glad you can read Arabic so you can get the full nuance of the words. I’m sure that makes your job much easier.
I can tell when there are 2 different words being used. And I can look up definitions for them. You should try that.
Matthew 15
3- But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4- For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
I can look up Mandarin Chinese. That doesn’t allow me to understand the nuance.
I am not swinging at you JAC. I just wish you would start being honest. Your lies just turn people away from you. I feel a little sad for you.
Again, Jesus quoting old Testament commandments to Hebrews. Not Christians.
You are incorrect in that. Islam is exactly as violent as Christianity. I would wager that more Islamic people follow more of their religion than modern day Christians follow the tenets of Christianity. Depending upon the fraction of Christianity they follow. With so many denominations, it’s kinda hard to honestly call them all one religion.
It allows you to understand that there are 2 differing words being used for a specific reason. Add in the war against a dead man part, and well……. And if you still need convincing, read the 8th sura and it specifically mentioning battle plans. Oh, and more than 1000 years of practice kind of set the context too!
KM, not one scripture to the Christian to kill. Unlike islam. Where there are tons of them.
So old testament commandments don’t apply to Christians? Oh good, I have this shiny golden calf that I’ve been wondering what to do with…
Jane, I wouldn’t worship it. There are plenty of places in the new Testament telling the Christian to flee idolatry.
You claim the old testament does not apply to Christians, I say you’re not only ignorant of Islam, but of your own faith because you discredit the foundation of the faith.
Yet Jesus himself said to “Obey the mortal law” which at the time was the law of the old testament… So… um… yeah, the laws of the old testament were the laws you must follow as a Christian.
Of course you’ve yet to actually follow even the simplest of your religion’s tenets and commands, such as turn the other cheek, love thy brother, and give of yourself whenever asked. That much is obvious.
I pity those who claim their faith is great and do not follow it.
You know nothing of my giving, or anything about my private life. Standing up to people like you isn’t failing to turn the other cheek either. Jesus himself did it.
And we are to obey the law. It was fulfilled. Paul has many nice teachings about the law and how it fits into the Christian life vs the Hebrew life, both before and after the perfect sacrifice of the blood of Christ for the atonement of sin. Instead of the blood of animals for the covering of sin.
To quote Paul, “All things are lawful, but not expedient.” And he tells us too about commandments to the Christian. And none of them are to kill.
You sir, are the one ignorant about Christian scripture and the quran.
Yeah, you go ahead and look for that. I’ll wait. I may attack christianity, but I don’t remember ever attacking Israel or judism. I will continue to attack christianity whenever I think christians are being hypocritical. Yeah, go ahead and bring Cricket into this. It should be amusing, as you seem to think she’s going to defend you…about ANYTHING. ROFLCOPTER
I’ll be waiting for that “proof” that I’m anti-Semitic.
Well crap. That nested in the wrong place. LOL Let’s try again!
Ivan, I didn’t say that Cricket defended me. I said she defended your attacks against Christianity that are actually attacks against Judaism. Like several above, who quote Hebrew law and try to apply it to the Christian.
Now are you going to actually pretend that you didn’t post that link?
JAC, JAC, JAC. Jesus does not enjoy your dishonesty. You make a lousy, lousy Christian. I’m relatively certain He would turn His head from you in shame. Very sad.
Rando, considering the way you go on around here, I’m quite glad for you to think I’m not a Christian.
Nothing I have said was dishonest. You may differ in opinion, but there is not a single thing you can point to and say I lied.
WTF? Are you HONESTLY FVCKING saying that Rando’s boss is a miserable boss because he’s Muslim? After all YOUR endless complaints that not all Christians are like the WBC? That has to be one of the most disgusting things I’ve ever heard anyone say.
That isn’t what I said. Nice FAIL at twisting my words.
Now now, Mabs, it’s not bigoted if he meant well.
You’re equating Rando’s boss being a bad boss (based on what Rando has said about him) to the fact that he’s a Muslim.
I’d say that Mabs hit the nail on the head.
HOW is that NOT what you said? It is EXACTLY what you said. Say ‘hi’ to your friends in the WBC.
Cricket, oh Cricket. What a pathetic attempt to twist. I point out how Rando talks out of both sides of the mouth, and you try to turn that into bigotry? That’s low, even for you.
Show me “equating.” I pointed out that Rando complained about the man. But when he wants to make a strawman argument about he’s a nice muslim, he talks good about the man.
He didn’t say anything about him being a “nice Muslim.” You’re reading things that aren’t there.
He said that his boss, who happens to be Muslim, doesn’t care about what religion anyone else is.
Geez. I know See Spot Run was a few years ago for you, but I figured you knew how to read.
And quack.
Bye bye. I’m sure you have a soldier’s funeral to go picket.
Ok, brush off your reading abilities. “Nice” was a polite way of saying “he doesn’t give a rat’s @ss.”
Awww Mabs? That the best fake insult you can come up with? You didn’t even brag on your level of education yet. I’m offended. You’re not up to superhuman genius level yet.
All that talk up there about actually reading the quran and how peaceful it is, and it turns out some of you don’t know what you are talking about.
and before the Christians, it belonged to the pagan Romans, and before the pagan Romans, it belonged to….
you could go on and on ad nauseum. [and probably will]
but the long list of who owned what and when was not my point.
my point was that every nation, religion. or any other demographic category, has its share of those who are decent human beings, and those who are not.
to single out one group and say that they, intrinsically as a group, are evil, is to teeter on the edge of genocide.
and we should never go there again; that way lies madness, and the extinction of all that it means to be human.
dear justa,
you’re still not getting it.
I didn’t bring up the point about scripture.
I was replying to it.
I didn’t bring up the point about land ownership.
I was replying to it
I said both these points scripture and land) were moot.
scripture:
1. Someone can always find, remove form context ,twist, use, abuse any statement in order to justify their actions.
2. I believe that’s what the crusaders did. I believe they found something and twisted to justify their crusades, used it as an excuse.
3. Not being truly justified by scripture, the crusades were really motivated by … what?
ownership:
justifying the crusades on the basis of: “they were just taking back the land that was taken from them.” is also inadequate justification for the crusades.
1. That land had not belonged to the European crusaders in the first place.
2. It had not belonged to any one group consistently; it kept changing hands. A stole it from B who stole it from C, etc.
3.Not being truly justified by a claim of land ownership, the crusades were really motivated by… what?
I believe it was prejudice, the kind of all-encompassing prejudice that labels an entire demographic group as inherently evil.
I believe that is what many of the majority demographic group in this country are doing today. Vilifying and an entire religious group.
It is terrifyingly similar to the very beginning of the “Final Solution” in Nazi Germany.
HERE IS +MY+ POINT, (RE)STATED BELOW:
Every demographic category has its share of good people and bad.
To single out one group and say that they,
as a group, are intrinsically evil, is to teeter on the edge of genocide.
and we should never go there again: that way lies madness, and the extinction of all it means to be human.
OOTB, see, you miss it yourself. I didn’t point out a group. Or an individual. I pointed out the scripture that DOES command killing.
You are jumping to conclusions.
OOTB–Don’t waste your time trying to argue with JAC. He’s not a real Christian anyway.
Hey Rando, you remember that part about every idle word?
I think it’s disgusting, Rando, when people take a single verse of a book out of context and use it to make a point they don’t understand.
You want a dozen more saying nearly the exact same thing?
IN context?
The first one is. Read the entire 5th sura. Verse 33 is just the one that specifies the penalty for those who fight “allah,” and there are just as many about anyone who speaks against islam, doesn’t profess muhamed to be THE prophet, or that Jesus and Paul are false prophets.
You’re misreading context. Again.
Really. It says “is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter.”
That’s out of context? I guess now you’re going to say that the quran doesn’t promise 72 virgins to martyrs?
The point is what it means to fight, isn’t it? (Or “speak against” or what have you.) If Muslim scholars disagree on what it means, who are you to presume you know what it means, absolutely and for everyone?
JAC, JAC, JAC….
Those verses talk about what to do in times of war when the enemy is attacking you without cause. These verses tell you how to defend yourself from your attackers and to kill only under very specific conditions.
It’s kind of hard to miss the whole kill or maim them so they will be ashamed.
muslim scholars do agree that it’s ok to lie to non muslims in order to promote islam. So that whole thing about “fight” being interpreted different ways is moot. At SOME point, no matter HOW you try and twist it, islam is saying to kill those whom it chooses.
Daniel, not they do not. I can paste the entire sura. And the one dealing with war. They are not the same. But you knew that! (nice attempt at a lie, but a failed attempt)
You even admitted that it’s about war without cause!
But to kill those whom they choose is exactly the point of interpretation. That’s what “treason” or “enemy combattant” or any number of other words that we all use to justify murder are about. By your own definition, JAC, politics and ethics of every sort are just ways to kill those we want. Islam is no different.
Admitted it’s about war without cause? Where? And please tell us all what sura DOES deal with killing nonbelievers of islam in war? (since you know so much)
“…and they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, ox and sheep and donkey, with the edge of the sword.”
“…then it shall be that he who is taken with the accursed thing shall be burned with fire, he and all that he has, because he has trangressed the covenant of the Lord…”
“and they struck them down, so that they let none of them remain or escape.”
“…he utterly destroyed them – all the people who were in it. He let none remain.”
“And all the spil of these citires and the livestock, the children of Israel took as booty for themselves; but they struck every man with the edge of the sword until they had destroyed them, and they left none breathing.”
“You shall hamstring their horses and burn their chariots with fire.”
Now, I could continue, and I could find you some really juicy verses where God directly commands the annihilation of entire groups of people; men, women, and children; but you’d just scream that I needed context for those verses to understand them.
I think you need to follow your own (supposed) advice.
“Those who fight Allah”.
Yes, those are commandments to the Jews Cricket. I remember a conversation on here where YOU were defending them from some of the local atheists. That whole thing about none of them applying to Christians. I thought you did a great job defending them.
How do you know that’s about the Jews?
Daniel, that isn’t me saying it’s about war without cause. Swing and a miss….. Brrrr at the breeze in here.
You forgot to tell us what sura DOES deal with war.
Oh, so you DO care about context, but only where it comes to the Bible…
Because I’m familiar with the old Testament. As are you.
Plus that whole part about “Israel” mentioned there.
Ah, so you’ve read the Old Testament, are familiar with it and the context in which those commandments are given, and know why they’re necessary?
What sura Daniel? (you don’t know, do you?)
And it’s not about context. The commandments to Israel don’t apply to Christianity.
And yet, that’s exactly what Sura 5:33 says:
“Those who wage war against God and His Messenger and strive to spread corruption in the land should be punished by death”
Yes. I am. And you did a wonderful job explaining it yourself a few months ago. Bravo!
Bazinga.
That, ladies and gentlemen, is a clear cut case of what we call “shifting the goalposts.”
Now, if we’ll move along to our next troll, you’ll see it’s a frother. Mind that you don’t get any spittle on you.
Wow, Daniel CHANGED the words to fit his meaning. Why am I not surprised. (it doesn’t say war in any quran I can find. That’s a different sura. One that Daniel can’t name)
And now you try to lie to weasel your way out.
{http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/005.qmt.html}
Whoops! Ladies and gentlemen, if you’ll go back to our previous display, I forgot to point out a unique feature of this particular troll: deliberate obtuseness. He figures that if he just pretends not to understand the argument, he’ll win.
In this case, he’s pretending not to know there are different language and interpretive styles used with the Q’uran, the same as with the Bible.
Moving along now……
Yes! Cricket vainly tried to move the goal posts! She can’t come up with the sura for war either, so she tried to tie the old Testament commandments to Israel to Christianity.
{http://www.submission.org/suras/sura5.html}
The authorized English translation.
Hey Cricket. Does that obtuseness include YOU trying to falsely tie old Testaments commandments to Christianity?
And even if Cricket comes up with Suras mentioning war (such as 5:33), JAC will simply either ignore it or claim that Cricket is making it up.
I’m sorry, would you point me back to where I mentioned Christianity? I must have forgotten I did that……
Your “authorized” citation (kind of like stating the King James Version of the Bible is the correct one) says the SAME EXACT THING!
“The just retribution for those who fight GOD and His messenger, and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed”
It’s rather obtuse, but here it is.
“Cricket says:
August 12, 2010 at 6:26 pm
How do you know that’s about the Jews?”
Fight =/= war.
So that’s me mentioning Christianity (oops! Second time!) how?
In English.
JAC: Can you read my citation now and then apologize for lying?
http://tinyurl.com/98zrrn
(The URL got cut off by the site formatting so I had to TinyURL it.)
I’m still waiting for the sura about war!
Let me repost (there was an unfiltered URL in my post so it got caught to await moderation):
JAC: Can you read my citation now and then apologize for lying?
{http://tinyurl.com/98zrrn}
(The URL got cut off by the site formatting so I had to TinyURL it.)
Sura 5 talks about war!
(How friggin’ dense can you get?)
Daniel, you are absolutely right. You didn’t change it. But considering your past record, I think I had good reason to be suspicious.
And that site? It doesn’t fit in with other translations. Or the context of the rest of the sura. (or that verse, FWIW)
Still waiting for the sura that DOES deal with war.
No, it states (even in your version) against muhamed. A dead man. Can you make war against a dead man? No, you can’t.
Daniel’s past record of changing things? You could, perhaps, provide proof of this?
Still waiting on when I mentioned Christianity, outside of the three times now that I’ve mentioned it…..
I already told you. See above.
That’s not a mention of Christianity (four times). And you misused the word “obtuse.” Which just proves you are.
“Those who fight against God and his messenger” means “Those who wage war against Islam”.
This is my last post to you about the Qu’ran. You obviously do not understand it whatsoever and then baselessly attack people that do. You claim that people are making things up (and then wrap up an apology in a further attack on my integrity). And then you claim that your translation is the ONLY official translation when you know good and well that any translation from one language to another is going to be missing something and adding something based on the perceptions of the translator.
The point is: Sura 5 talks about war. In one translation, it uses the word “war”. In another translation, it uses the word “fight”. You say that “fight” doesn’t equal “war”. In the Qu’ran, it does. You’re AGREEING with those those that distort Islam (such as OBL).
So, good night, JAC. And good luck.
Actually, it is. If nothing but by inference, since you were talking Biblical scriptures, and asked about if they belonged to Hebrews. A slick twist (that obtuse thing) at trying to say it without actually saying it, but you did.
Wait, when did I mention Hebrews?
Ok, Daniel. You expect people to wage war against a dead man? (see the whole fight things means those who would fight against his teachings. It’s been taught that way since the beginnings of islam) LOL. That’s weak even for you.
It’s the 8th sura. And the language is specific.
It is you who have been deceived by those distorting islam. Changing fight to war to make it look docile. BTW, 5:33 isn’t the only place that talks about killing those who don’t believe islam. Or killing those who leave islam.
Excuse me. Israel. (whom are Hebrews)
I’m sorry, where did I mention Israel?
Cricket, you’re right. You specifically said “jews,” a term often used in a derogatory way to refer to Israel/Hebrews.
And how does that tie back in to you thinking I said anything about Christianity?
omg, it’s never-ending.
This is the thread that never ends
It just goes on and on, my friends
Some people started posting in it
Not knowing what it was
And they’ll continue posting forever because…
This is the thread that never ends
It just goes on and on, my friends
Some people started posting in it
Not knowing what it was
And they’ll continue posting forever because…
Let’s see. You mention the same God of Judaism and Christianity, then imply that it may be or not be about Israel.
Wicket, pass the popcorn.
I’m sorry, when did I mention God? I must have missed that part.
Sherry Lewis FTW!
This is the thread that never ends
It just goes on and on, my friends
Some people started posting in it
Not knowing what it was
And they’ll continue posting forever because…
Wait a minute. “Jews” is a derogatory term? Since when?
{http://punditkitchen.com/2010/08/11/political-pictures-desert-troll/comment-page-1/#comment-380585}
“Now, I could continue, and I could find you some really juicy verses where God”
So how does that tie back in with me supposedly mentioning Christianity?
This is the thread that never ends
It just goes on and on, my friends
Some people started posting in it
Not knowing what it was
And they’ll continue posting forever because…
Hey Jane, ask Micheal Jackson about using jew in a song? (or at least look it up) It’s quite often used to refer to someone who cheats at business.
I already told you that Cricket. You bring God up, then imply that it may not be about Israel. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Wait, when did I mention Israel again?
*throws fuzzy wool poo at the King of Obfuscation*
Throws real poo at the anti-Semite*
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND?! Yes, calling someone who is a greedy business person a “Jew” is derogatory in the SAME WAY that calling someone a terrorist just because they happen to be Muslim. The word “Jew” is not inherently derogatory. I know this because JEWISH PEOPLE CALL THEMSELVES JEWS ALL THE TIME.
*hands Ivan a wipe to clean poo from himself*
Cricket, you call the jews, I call them Israel. We’ve been over that.
going to nit-pick a couple things here –
Jew is capitalized, just like G*d;
Jew is also a person and/or religion,
Israel is a nation,
Israelite is a person who lives in Israel.
Wait, you didn’t just imply that by calling you an anti-Semite…that I am an anti-Semite, did you? And can one not paraphrase that as…
wait for it…
“I know you are, but what am I?”
Because you’re going to have to show me any comment I’ve ever made that shows me to be anti-Semite.
any of you guys ever hear of the Crusades?
that’s where a bunch of “Christian” European nations (not just non-gov orgs) sent huge armies (not just a few terrorists) into Islamic nations to wage war… some really brutal war crimes, if you read the accounts. repeatedly. and they went as God’s holy warriors, with big Christian crosses on their uniforms.
Actually the crusader armies werent that big and they were going to take back places the Muslims had conquered from Christains previously.
It was the muslims who first taught the Christians about ‘holy crusade (jihad) — invading mediterranean lands and many parts of Europe for centuries before the First Crusade.
Please dont be so selective about the history you cherrypick and leave out very important bits that turn most of your argument.
and before the Christians, it belonged to the pagan Romans, and before the pagan Romans, it belonged to…
you could go on and on ad nauseum.
but the long list of who owned what and when was not my point.
my point was that any nation, religion, or any other demographic category, has its share of those who are decent human beings, and those who are not.
to single out one group and to say that they, as a group, are intrinsically evil, is to teeter on the edge of genocide.
and we should never go there again. that way lies madness, and the extinction of all that it means to be human.
OOTHB, there isn’t a single scripture to support the crusades. Not one.
Ivan, since you imply that I’m an anti-semite, I want you to show where I’ve said anything against Israel or any Hebrew. In fact, I’ve spoken up to defend them against YOUR attacks based on the old Testament commandments from God. Cricket did a nice job of putting you in your place then too.
And Jew, capitalized or not, goes all the way back to Judah himself. It was a derogatory name used to insult him for his business practices (which were bad, at that time) and is used rather ignorantly by people of all races.
I didn’t bother to read the entire thread properly, but JAC is pretty much correct. The Cursades were a wa about power, using religion as an “acceptable (to the masses of the day) excuse”.
JAC: What about a friend of mine who is Jewish and calls herself a “Jew”?
Daniel, what about blacks who call themselves by the N word?
dear justa,
and where did I say it was supported by scripture?
that wasn’t my point.
I clearly said what my point was.
please re-read and reply to what I said, not what you would have liked for me to say.
as far as the scripture thing goes, there probably are some scriptures that the crusaders used/abused at the time to justify their crusades. most extremists do have a way of taking things out of context and twisting them to fit their hate.
I just don’t want to start on the concordance thing again, or research the voluminous history of the crusades. I don’t have the time now. it is starting to get old. and it’s a moot point, anyway.
what really matters is that there is a great danger in ascribing inherent evil to an entire demographic group.
as I said before, it leads us to the brink of genocide. not a good place to be.
If it’s a moot point, why did you bring it up?
JACass, you are making things up as you go along, aren’t you? I’ve NEVER “attacked” Israel, or Judaism. Show me where you think you and Cricket (and I’m sure she’s going to be upset that she is lumped in with you about ANYTHING) “put me in my place” about the issue. You can’t, because you’re MAKING IT UP to defend yourself. And yes, the things you’ve been saying IN THIS THREAD show you to be anti-Semitic.
Ivan, learn to read. It isn’t in this thread. I said it was in the past. You don’t remember posting the “evilbible dot com” link? Because you did. And Cricket handed you your hat. (along with others) Granted you were trying to tear down Christianity, but the things you were saying were attacks. And the scriptures you were using were about the Hebrews. And calling God and the people in the Bible evil. Now it was months ago, but I can go find it, should you deny it.
And you can’t show me one thing I’ve ever said against a Hebrew. In fact, several of you claim I called someone a terrorist. When in fact, I did not. I actually stated that the man wasn’t a terrorist.
What I did do was point out one of many scriptures in islam that command the muslim to kill.
JAC: Did you seriously just equate the word “Jew” to the N-word for back people?!
“black” not “back”.
Daniel, did you seriously pretend that Jew wasn’t used as an insult to all Hebrews?
Yeah, you go ahead and look for that. I’ll wait. I may attack christianity, but I don’t remember ever attacking Israel or judism. I will continue to attack christianity whenever I think christians are being hypocritical. Yeah, go ahead and bring Cricket into this. It should be amusing, as you seem to think she’s going to defend you…about ANYTHING. ROFLCOPTER
I’ll be waiting for that “proof” that I’m anti-Semitic.
As I said above to your nesting fail.
Ivan, I didn’t say that Cricket defended me. I said she defended your attacks against Christianity that are actually attacks against Judaism. Like several above, who quote Hebrew law and try to apply it to the Christian.
Now are you going to actually pretend that you didn’t post that link?
No, I’m pretending nothing. I do (and will continue to) attack christianity. The link I posted was directed towards christianity in general, and most likely (as I don’t remember the specific reason I posted it, but the fact that you do is sort of…creepy and stalkerish) YOU in particular. The extrapolation is your problem, as I was in no way addressing Israel.
Wow, weak attempt to label me as a stalker. Weak.
You posted evilbible dot com and made claims to all the old Testament commandments as if they applied to Christians. And continued to assert that it was so very evil and such. When all along you were talking about the actions of the Hebrew people. (trying to pass it off as the evil actions of Christians)
And now, on top of everything, you’re a conspiracy theorist. LOL
JAC, growing up, my parents forced me to attend church 3 times a week. My father was a deacon in his church. The OT was taught right along with the NT, and this was a regular old baptist church. Are you trying to say that christians don’t teach the OT? If you are, then you have completely lost all shred of credibility. You know very well that we were discussing christianity, not judaism.
And this has all become so absurd that I’m outtie. JAC, feel free to have that last word that means so much to you.
JAC You dumb@ss! The people are called JEWish. They are JEWS. I have countless friends that are in fact JEWS and call themselves JEWS.
If you want to talk about a racist word for a JEW I know of one… probably one you’re familiar with and use on a daily basis. And it’s just as disgusting as you are.
STFU for once in your entire life.
Hey Ivan, teaching the happenings of the old Testament is not the same as Christians being commanded to do them. You tried to pass those commandments off as the actions of Christians. You went on about how evil they are. And since you decide it’s evil actions, then you must be against the Hebrews, as they are the ones who did them.
And Capt Wow, where do you think the name Jewish came from? (It was a slur used against all the sons of Jacob, based on the actions of Judah)
*has a hearty laugh at JACass’s expense*
Keep laughing, it only shows your own personal insecurities.
I’m not the one that’s insecure. I’m also not the one that is claiming that “jew” is a slur.
I’m going to file this one away, and from now on, every time I mention christianity, I’ll add a disclaimer that JACass believes I’m actually talking about judaism. IT’S A CONSPIRACY BLARGH BLARGH ENUMERATED POWERS BLARGH!!!
Oh Ivan. You most certainly are insecure. All the cool kids comments (and such like) together with the resorting to the nasty names? It shows who you really are.
Aww, Ivan. I’ve YET to see you talk (accurately) about Christianity. All those evilbible dot com scriptures you have posted were Hebrew commandments!
Let’s sum this up real fast: JAC, you’re a filthy disgusting bigot, and Jesus would more likely turn your water into pee instead of into wine. Muslims, Jews, and Christians are all good people. You’re the sick mother fvcker.
Aww Rando got his feelings hurt.
How did I get my feelings hurt? You’re the lousy Christian here, not me.
I’m lousy because I told the truth about islamic scripture. Hmmm. I don’t see that in the Bible.
Except you didn’t. You lied about what the Qu’ran said and ignored attempts to correct your misrepresentations.
Ok Daniel, the atheist Bible/quran expert. Please tell us why arabs murder each other because they declare each differing sect to be fighting allah/muhammad?
If sura 5 were about invaders, then what scripture do they use to justify Sunni/Shia killings?
No dice, JAC. You can’t try to divert the conversation.
You misrepresented the Qu’ran. Deal with it.
I won’t respond to another attempt at diversion.
That’s not diversion. That’s proving what sura 5:33 means.
It can’t be an attack against them, as muhammad is already dead. Those who kill in the name of Sunni/Shia wars will tell you that the oposing sect is fighting allah/muhammad. It’s in MANY of their videos. It’s in islamic history for more than 1000 years.
It’s only in recent times have clerics tried to twist sura 5:33 to mean invaders. But if you look at sura 8, you will clearly see scripture referring to invaders. And yet when the choice comes to the wording, sura 8 actually says war. If sura 5 was meant to mean war, it would use the same arabic word as 8.
I see. Muslims say that the Qu’ran is only about war against people that attack and you that they’re lying.
I’ll take their side over yours…especially since you don’t have evidence for your assertions.
Evidence? You mean posting the sura right here for everyone to read? Cause I did.
And while you try to change the wording fight into war, when you use that context, it doesn’t fit the entire verse, and it doesn’t agree with common practice in islamic nations.
So, do tell us what scriptures sunni/shia use to kill each other with?
Anyone that reads Sura 5 will know the context. You don’t. That’s all there is to it.
I’m done debating with you on both of the subjects in this thread. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
Now, I’m quite sure you’ll have some followup response, but I won’t be reading it.
Everyone else reading this thread? I suggest you do the same.
Thanks!
Yes, they will. You can’t go to war against a dead man. And you have yet to explain how the muslim justifies killing other muslims.
Wow, JAC sure does hate Muslims. What a bigot.
Yes, I’m disputing that the word “Jew” is a slur for Hebrew people.
Then please explain to us where the term comes from.
“Us”? You have a mouse in your pocket, or is that the royal “us”? LOL The rest of us know that it is not a slur. I guess if it’s a slur to YOU, the fact that you love to use it all the time must mean that YOU are casting the slur whenever you type the word “jew”.
The English word Jew continues Middle English Gyw, Iewe, a loan from Old French giu, earlier juieu, ultimately from Latin Iudaeum. The Latin Iudaeus simply means Judaean, “from the land of Judaea”.
The word “Jew” is only offensive if it’s done simply to ridicule someone based on their religion or express stereotypes of the religion. It’s not offensive to simply call a Jewish person a Jew. Because, err, that’s what you call them…like a follower of Christianity is a “Christian” and a follower of Islam is “Muslim”: a follower of Judaism or an ethnic person from that land is called a “Jew”.
What other term would there be?
Damnit Daniel, you really need to create a FB account and come over, because you’re missing half the conversation.
And it’s high-larious!
DO IT, Daniel! DO IT!!!! *starts chant* FaceBOOK, faceBOOK, faceBOOK!!!! Hell, we’re less distracting over there than the frothiness over here, if for no other reason than we actually respect one another and differing opinions. And we don’t believe stupid things like calling someone a Jew is a slur.
Cricket, you Caucasian….Christian, you! Lol….
Why, how dare you, you FEMALE!!!!!
And yet none of you can explain where the term comes from. *sigh* Some days it’s just too easy.
You’re kidding, right? Can’t you SEE? Or (as you like to accuse everyone else) can’t you READ?? Both Captain Wow and Daniel provided you with explanations, but you are choosing (once again) to pretend no one is as smart as you are. You are SUCH a douchenozzle, I swear. No wonder you were kicked out of PKI2.0
Cant you see? They didn’t explain where it comes from. No where in the Bible (or the Torah and Talmud) is the word jew or jewish used, except for a slur.
You mean from the Kingdom of Judah? Judah, who was born from Jacob, meaning “praise”?
I don’t know what you mean.
See Daniel, it’s another perk of PKI2.0, it’s a place that this fvckweasel was kicked out of for being…well, a fvckweasel. LOL
Please don’t use PK as a place to insult people directly with names like do*chenozzle and fvckweasel. I do not want to go back to filtering everyone. This comment is meant for everyone.
“Jew, duh”?
No, from Judah, one of the patriarchs of the nation Israel. Son of Jacob.
The Bible uses the word “Jew” or “Jewish” as a slur? Since when?
Isn’t that what I just said, JAC?
Sorry for a possible inevitable triple-post:
I come here for the frothiness, to be honest. I’m here for the debate. I’m not really interested in the social networking side of things.
But, like I said, thanks for the offer to join FB. I’m just not interested.
Actually you said both Judah the man and the kingdom.
Do some searching on what Judah was called because of his business practices. I know what the name Judah means. Now tell us where the term Jew came from.
No matter what, JACass will go to any lengths to prove himself right, even if his premise is so far fetched as to be…laughable. Now it is his life’s work to prove that the word “Jew” is a slur, on par with the n word to blacks. This has to be one of the funniest discussions I’ve seen in a long time, and I’m waiting breathlessly for JACass to produce a citation for his assertions.
Cite the “name” that Judah was called, please.
Hey Ivan, you make the claim to know so much about the Bible. Tell us where Jew came from. How did Judah get abbreviated to Jew? Or did you miss that week when your Baptist Preacher father force you to church?
He was a DEACON, not a preacher, douchenozzle.
Oh my god….
Jew comes from the Latin “ludeaus” meaning “Judaean/From the Land of Judaea”. It’s called the evolution of words from one language to another.
Deacon, preacher, whatever. You still don’t know. For all the bragging about how much you do know about the scriptures (because they were forced on you) the truth is you don’t know.
EVOLUTION!?!?!? NAUGHTY STUFF!!!
WHARRGARBL
That’s a big leap you took there Daniel. Try again.
Tell us where Judah was made fun of by outsiders for his business practices.
No. Why don’t you tell us?
I was going to post a list of the many times the word “jew” is used in the bible, but it would have been monstrously long! Go to a bible look up, and do a search for the word “jew”. You’ll be there awhile.
Because you are gloating on how you know so much, when clearly you don’t.
I have never read a reference to the Hebrews in any scripture from the Bible/Talmud/Torrah that calls for a Jew/jewish people. It ALWAYS speaks of Israel or Hebrew.
Lets start with that.
Come on Ivan. Look at the Greek/Aramic.
Let me see if this helps you out;
The Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים “Yehudim” IPA: jɛhuːdiːm), also known as the Jewish people, are a nation and ethnoreligious group originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of the Ancient Near East. The Jewish ethnicity, nationality, and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation.[6][7][8] Converts to Judaism, whose status as Jews within the Jewish ethnos is equal to those born into it, have been absorbed into the Jewish people throughout the millennia.
Or, the word “Jew” is not a slur. Ezra has a bunch of quotations with the word “Jew” used in generic terms.
Ezra 6:7
“Do not interfere with the work on this temple of God. Let the governor of the Jews and the Jewish elders rebuild this house of God on its site.”
Don’t stop there Ivan. You’re leaving a lot out. Keep digging and tell us how the term Jew became a slur. And if it isn’t a slur, someone owes MJ an apology.
Look, I have a life. Just post your cite, or paste your quote, or whatever you need to do to make your point, so we can get on with it. None of us here believe the use of the word “jew” is a slur, so it’s on you to prove to us that it is. So get to it already.
No matter what you try to prove, I’ll never owe a zombie pedophile any apology.
I don’t think he can. But I’ll wait for his citation (won’t hold my breath, though).
Yeah, good thing you didn’t, because he’s got nothing.
I told you where to look. And be sure to check it in aramic, not english.
I don’t care if you agree or not. I will always use Hebrew, Israeal or Israeli when referring to the descendants of Abraham though Sarah.
You didn’t tell us where to look. Cite chapter and verse or go away.
You would just argue about the context. I told you where to look. Please, tell us all where the outsiders were slamming Judah for his behavior.
I can’t find you telling us where to look. Why are you so evasive?
I’m not evasive. I already told you. You love twisting things to suit your meanings. I’m not going to argue with you over context, when I’ve already seen you twist the quran to fit your views. Add in that you talk like you’re such a Bible expert, and yet you can’t tell me where Judah was insulted.
Okay, cite it once more for me because I can’t find it.
I’ve read the Bible cover to cover and I honestly can’t remember the word “Jew” ever being used as a slur in the book. If you don’t cite it after this post, then I’m going to assume you don’t have the citation at all.
I know a lot of Jews. I even married one (which theoretically makes my children Jewish). Haven’t met one yet who didn’t call him/herself Jewish, or who objected to being called a Jew. This thread is hilarious.
You’re pretty good at assuming. So do it anyways. I’m not getting into one more battle with you dancing in the wind over wording.
You’re done, JAC.
Only in your mind.
So where in the Bible is the word Jew used as a slur again? I must have missed that part……
“Oh, I know where it’s at, and I can only vaguely refer to it, and then act all superior when called on it. I really don’t know what I’m talking about, but I’m still gonna act like I won.” JAC, you are SUCH a douche. Put up or STFU. I’m with Daniel on this; you can’t produce a cite.
And Pizzaface, you can bite me about the “personal attack” sh!t, since you don’t seem to want to reign in zipper aka manchowder.
*scratches off “doucheweezle” from the list of unmoderated words
Found it….it’s in the Book of Cartman, 7:23.
Ah yes. One jerky person that a friend of yours told you about is indicative of an entire religion that has over a billion followers.
Exactly, Jane. Whew, I’m glad we cleared that up!
You’re not going to like what a friend of mine told me about this guy named Fred Phelps then. Bad news for you.
CURSES!!! FOILED AGAIN!!!
I think there are several fallacies for this one.
Hasty Generalisation
Biased Sample
Bandwagon
….
Yes, actually the Quran doesn’t say anything about killing anyone because they’re non-Muslims. The verses which are often misquoted to support that misleading notion deal with the non-Muslims of that time which had attacked and killed Muslims.
Indeed, the Quran clearly states that Muslims are to be on good terms – ” dealing justly ” – with non-Muslims who do not harm, attack or injure them.
Just have a “draw cartoons of Mohamed day” – that should do it.
an eye for an eye and the whole world is blind
The force is strong with this one
What about that whole Freedom of Speech thing you were touting about in the mosque.
That’s a GREAT idea! Can we play Pin Jesus to the Cross next?
ooo, can i donate the pins?
*hands Jane a handful*
never mind the odd bits there, i pulled them out of a vodou doll >;-)
As long as they’re pointy and can pierce the limbs of the Son of God they should do just nicely.
nice and sharp, like all my tools
who falls for it first? fox of course.
i bet within the next week.
Let us know when it actually happens.
I find all this 4chan bashing ironic, given that the Cheezburger network (of which this site is a part) was built entirely on the backs of 4chan’s anonymous humor contributors.
This post… broke the rules hardcore… way to put it out there that it’s a hoax before it even begins…. =.=
I have to admit, some of the arguments in this comment section made me lol.
Also, not all Muslims are terrorists. I have a friend from Turkey who is a muslim… granted, not a strict one… she doesn’t wear a hijab and she listens to Metallica.
I’m fairly sure that Metallica isn’t mentioned in the Qur’an.
not in the bible…. old testament or new.
RAWR IT’S CALLED A BURQA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*Roar
I couldn’t resist!
Naliord: Franken poo was referring to a flame war we had a few months back about the difference between a hijab and a bruqa. It was only rivalled by the “Flag is Belgian”. We got up to a couple hundred comments on the thread.
Yes – my comment was not meant seriously – hence the
I know, I was jsut letting you know the premice…..
I like that any mention of 4chan turns the thread it’s mentioned on into /b/. You people are more entertaining than these so called lulz could ever hope to be.
oh its’ not just 4chan. it’s religion, guns, politicians, patriotism. If you hit a hot button here, you get a flame war. which i think (behind the scenes) is the basic point in the first place. a place to talk, debate, argue issues that may or may not matter to you, in the context of a Lol caption site…so we get sarcasm and fart jokes too.
Actually, i heard that 4chan is fighting ACTA on a major scale, do you even know what it is? 4chan might be a lonely bunch of script kiddies and such, but they’re trying to protect privacy/constitutional rights.
Anon would start the apocalypse for the lulz
Who here thinks Pedobear looked hansome in that suit?
Antidisestablishmentarianism!