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While I generally dislike the idea of political cartoons on PK, this one is all kinds of awesome.
Where’s the outrage over Obama shooting and slicing up undead versions of a dead President? While in a sane world there shouldn’t be any, but seeing outrage from the cartoon of the cops shooting the chimp and saying “Whos going to write the stimulus bill now?” or somthing to that effect has skewed my faith in common sense.
Really…then most likely you don’t have any.
OOPS!
the people of Pundit Kitchen have revealed Husein NObama’s hidden plan. Everyone look what it says above the cartoon.
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EPIC WIN!
Ooh! Witty, clever, and original! Use his middle name, because it happens to be the same as an evil dictator’s last name, and the corny, overplayed “NObama” lame…. Why not just go all the way with the BS and call him “Osama”?
Holy Crap!!!
That is a huge conisidence!!!
I mean, I don’t think he’s trying to destroy America, but HOT DAMN!!!
“CIA Intensifies drone airstrikes within Pakistan…”
“Cohen: Obama administration ‘incompetence’ derailed Mideast peace talks…”
“Hundreds protest FBI raids on anti-war activists…”
FACE IT – NObama likes WAR more than Bush did!
Wars Bush started: 2
Wars Obama started: 0
ORLY! Then why not just end them? Bring everyone home and WASH HIS HANDS OF IT!…
..Uh, didn’t he SAY he would back during the campaign?
Um… no.
He actually said that he’d draw Iraq to closure in order to concentrate efforts on activities in Afghanistan so that active duty there could then draw to closure as well.
… which is what’s been happening.
(how quickly folks forget.)
What everyone is ignoring is that, without a properly organised withdrawal strategy, you’ll get more troops killed more quickly during a withdrawal than during any sort of active campaign.
Actually telling your enemy when you’re leaving is not necesarily the best thing either.
Yeah, well once you have destroyed your enemy, it doesn’t matter when you leave does it…Husein NObama has no interest in defeating the enemy. In truth, though, neither does most of Country.
Look at your kids. They will be slaves. Viva le Government!
If only we had killed all the Hippies…
Umm negative Ghost Rider that pattern is full. Our children won’t be slaves, they will just have to work off our debt. Obama has interest in defeating the enemy, his plans will just fall into line with Carter’s and Clinton’s, “We can talk it out!”. Which worked wonders.
And no we don’t have to kill hippies, we don’t kill people for their views, that’s called being a tyrant. We let people speak their mind, vote how they want, that’s freedom, and if it sets us back politically every once in a while, so be it. That’s the price of freedom.
I think this might top zipper for most pathetic troll this site has ever seen.
I wouldn’t even insult Zipper in that manner. This guy is so far out there, I think he makes Beck look sane.
Really? I actually was assuming this was one of Megasock’s socks.
*coos at Doomathon* You are just a pathetic little sock of zipper’s aren’t you? yes you are!
*ahem* Little more coherent, same histrionic poisonous BS, different sock.
Flavor is extra whiny.
No, I don’t think this one is Megasock’s. There are ways to tell who Megasock is. This guy is just an idiot. End of story.
DUDE! What are you doing? This is the internet! Logic, Wisdom, & Value have no place here!
I’m sorry but your comment is to reasonable to be posted here. Please restrict your comments to mature audiences who are Compassionate, Self-aware, Independent, Motivated by Justice, & blind to Prejudice.
And if you ever find that person you be sure to let us know…
The above was for ‘I Like Peanut Butter and Boobie Friday’.
The rest of you are scary little shut-ins. REALLY! I’m the worst you’ve seen. OMG! I got nothing and you vote me ‘best in show’!
What, does your mom still breast feed you or something? You need to go outside once in a while and deal with REAL people. Your imaginary friends under your mattress ain’t cutting it.
Oh, I decline the crazy troll award base on the fact you wouldn’t know one if it sat on your face & wiggled.
No, no, no, you don’t understand. We don’t mean you’re the worst as in evil or annoying. You’re just not very good at trolling. You’re not a very good troll. Pretty sad really.
Then why are you so compelled to respond to everything I say?
And i don’t believe you have EVER been sad for anyone without first gauging the political ramifications of said act.
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So you’re a necrophiliac for Nixon?
Yeah, we’ve destroyed the enemy. That’s why troops still die out there to IEDs and such…
Umm..Yeah.. So if Bush had made the same Promise you’d all be OK with the above headline “CIA Intensifies drone airstrikes within Pakistan…”! ’cause we all know you’d be in the blogs screaming ‘Bush is Hitler’.
I always thought that the war in Iraq should be ended and the one in Afghanistan pursued, because we were SUPPOSED to be after the masterminds of the 9/11 attacks; and they were in Afghanistan, not Iraq. What about the hunt for Osama?
What should we have done about Iraq’s constant dsimissal of the restricitons on them from the 1992 Gulf War?
In my opinion,
Clinton should have required the enforcement or resumed the conflict. While I do believe that Bush really did have a choice (one of which I support), Clinton botched the job creating the conditions for this choice.
Unfortunately, I also have to blame Clinton for allowing Al-Queda to mature. His failure to respond to several attacks emboldened the organization allowed its growth into a world-terror.
A mindless right-wing voter is just as dangerous as a mindless left-wing voter. Good luck with “taking your country back”….
More like…
Wars Clinton should have started: 2
Wars Bush started: 1
Wars Al-Queda started: 1
Wars Obama started: 0 unless you count the one he started against business
Why do so many people think killing our troops is a great idea? Because that’s what I’m seeing here. Iraq shouldn’t have happened. What a waste that was.
I agree it should not have happened.
Starting with a failure on the part of the U.N. for not enforcing the conditions of the peace treaty to Clinton for not making the U.N. enforce the conditions or doing it ourselves. And maybe, Bush could have just walked away from it. But sometimes you have to play the cards you are dealt.
As for killing our troops, we did not kill them per se, the “freedom fighters?” killed them, but yes we did put them in harms way. And certainly not to reduce their sacrifice in any intented or unintended way, they (and I) did join the service knowing full well what could be expected and the possible consequences, especially those currently serving….and I fully respect them for that choice.
Military is there to resolve conflicts that can not be resolved in other means but resolutions are required. Did the U.N. fail us on this, yes. The only question becomes is a resolution required. Once again in my opinion, yes.
Here’s my thing. I *do* think the military is (unfortunately) necessary. However, I think we should ONLY be using it in specific situations where our country is in danger. Protecting our nation is a noble cause, but way too often we’re out there in countries we have no reason to be in. Iraq is one of those things. Clearly if you’re in the service then you’re putting your life on the line. I’d just prefer if it was actually being done for the right reasons.
Rando, Rando, Rando…
So your NOT OK with the (Unfortunate) Military being used as Meals-on-wheels in Hatti, circa 1990′s, and Somalia. What about the police action in Bosnia?
Silly troll. Do you actually think I’m going to answer to YOU?
You CAN’T. That’s the point! Haha!
Is your ego so damaged that you have to reply to yourself to make yourself feel important?
capital letters hurt when you have to squeeze them out your @ss
What are you talking about? Of course I can. I’m not going to waste a perfectly thoughtful response on someone going around insulting people, especially when that doofus seems to be singling me out (big surprise there, there’s always one or two that like to come after me).
How is trying to hold businesses accountable and trying to get them to bring jobs back to the US a “war on business”?
I believe that Obama’s wish to raise taxes on businesses is the problem. And there’s a difference between holding them accountable and retying to cripple them. When the banks are highly cautious with loans, let’s make it harder to get loans. Sounds like it could impair the economy, especially ours which is loaned based.
Hahahaha! He said NObama, that makes him clever! What a clever person you are! Seriously, get some new material.
I still have a T-Shirt that says that. I wore it to school twice. It was quite frightening.
Probably as frightening as the complete strangers who angrily ask me about my Obama bumper stickers.
I’ve heard of people being tailgated and nearly run off the road for having those stickers.
Rumors meant to mask to fact that Husein NObama voters have low IQ’s and manage to run off the roads all by themselves…
1. Some jackass tailgated my wife, then pulled right up next to her on the freaking Interstate just to hold up a handmade sign saying “FVCK OBAMA.” Way to be safe, jackass.
2. You misspelled Hussein.
3. Kinda funny that you’re making fun of IQ’s when you can’t even spell Barack Obama’s name right.
4. Not even the other conservatives are claiming you, pal. Best if you just head off to bed.
NO ONE should mess with a chick, that’s uncool. However:
1, if you and you bride where Conservatives she would have been able to whip out her Desert Eagle and sent the creep running.
2. You spell checked it didn’t you
3. We’ve covered that
4. So you can’t have an opinion if your friends don’t agree with it? My God are you a Puss. You’ll need a support group the first time someone tell you ‘NO’.
What a Waste…
5 learn to use the reply button. You replied to yourself.
Why should she had pulled a gun on someone for having a differing opinion?
Seriously, prison time for vehicular manslaughter is NOT worth a political opinion.
Your chivalry to ‘chicks’ is very noble and un-Puss like.
The sad part is, you actually seem to think you’re being clever with that shtick.
O rly?
So all the news stories I keep reading about are just liberal lies then.
As for what you said about Rando’s wife, you’re a damn monster. Glad you likely never leave the house.
Can you tell me what IQ stands for without looking it up?
I was afraid that I was going to get jumped.
That should never happen because of a bumper sticker. No on should terrorize another for an opinion, but sadly people who support the current president are suffering under this form of domestic terrorism.
Oh yay, another post with a liberal lean. How did I not see that one coming?
Do you think every post for democrats or against republicans is liberal? Neither party has monopoly on conservative or liberal values and the two terms are not mutually exclusive.
well said
Too true. Some just keep using the word as some kind of insult.
Some keep treating politics like football where one team has to win and somehow one team losing makes it ok to insult and harass the other team
What “liberal lean”? All I see is an acknowledgment of reality. Many people really do still believe the long-discredited Reaganomics lie that redistributing wealth from the middle-class to the ultra-wealthy causes economic expansion.
That aside, though, if you don’t like what you see, submit stuff yourself rather than just complain.
Haven’t you heard the latest news from Fox?
Fox pundits have long been accusing reality of having a liberal bias
Damn those realists and rational, evidence based debaters
SOrry buster, maybe where you comefrom collectivism and nanny state have solidified into a stranglehold on your life, but it hasnt yet in America where a majority of people are rejecting the lefties and the fake attempts they say they are making to fix the economy.
Obamalin never intended to create jobs/fix the economy or he would have taken real measures 1 1/2 years ago instead of this meager thing hes doing now.
So when you claim to talk about reality it might help it if you actually got your facts straight.
Well isn’t it a good thing that Obamalin is not the president? Who the heck is that anyway? Come back when you actually are talking about the president.
Facts like how the Republicans filibuster the Democrats to keep them from making any meaningful change?
Name the filibuster? When did it happen? Last i knew Repubs didn’t have the votes to stop anything!
(Not that they would anyway)
There haven’t been any, the stall is within the Democrat party itself. Some of them are conservative and/or worried about upsetting their constituency.
Whaa? “There haven’t been any”?
This is all part of the Republican plan to deliberately stop government from working, as part of a playbook to retake Congress and hamstring the change voted for in 2008, and one that is eerily similar to the one they used in 1994.
This playbook consists of 5 distinct steps:
Step 1: Avoid Responsibility for GOP Failures
Step 2: Increase Negativity
Step 3: “Throw the Bums Out!”
Step 4: The New Contract on America
Step 5: Retake Congress
Where the filibuster should have a legitimate role in a functional democracy to protect minority rights, it is a procedure that is highly susceptible to abuse. In the past, this was always kept in check by the morality of individual senators, but in the 111th Congress, the sheer number of times it has been used indicate a clear pattern and dangerous precedent.
please read, http://bit.ly/8YO9xj or just turn Fox News back on. “There haven’t been any”?…pffft. Record number of filibusters EVER, and you say there haven’t been any?
“The doorstep to the temple of wisdom is a knowledge of our own ignorance.” Benjamin Franklin
That just proves that Republicans are smarter than Democrats. Our plan is five steps, but yours is only two:
1. Blame the Republicans.
2. Pass legislation.
The simpler plan is often the best.
Unless it’s a little vague. Like this one here.
Excellent post and absolutely true…
Someone has before posted a link showing the record number of filibusters the Republicans have done to slow down the process and halt progress. Stay classy, Republican Party.
So umm yeah the Democrats never used a Filibuster? Stay classy democrats.
I don’t think anyone says they haven’t been used, but it’s REALLY been abused this time around.
Precisely. And you know what? The next time the Democrats use one, these same people who say “so what? Who cares if the Republicans filibuster. Anything to stop those baby-eating grandma-stabbing Democrats” will be saying “Those Democrats are meanies trying to slow us down! Mean mean mean!”
Actually I would love to see the fillibuster go away. I would personally like people to vote, majority wins. That’s kind of how it should work.
But I do believe that those same Democrats who fillibustered are now calling those ebil Republicans meanie heads. Stop making your side smell like roses, they are just as bad and corrupt and abuse the system as any side. Everyone cries foul when they don’t get their way.
We can agree that both sides suck. What we can’t agree on is the level of suckage.
At the very least go back to the rule where a filibuster meant that someone had to be there on the podium, speaking. No more than 2 fifteen minute breaks every 8 hours.
To hell with breaks. Breaks are for wimps. They leave the podium the relinquish the floor.
Let’s go with the Mr. Smith goes to Washington route: If you pass out, you relinquish the floor.
Really?
“redistributing wealth from the middle-class to the ultra-wealthy”?
That is not Reaganomics at all. There has never been a time that any Republican has ever advocated taking money from the middle class and giving it to the rich. You have no understanding of economics or politics if you think that is the case and should keep your mouth shut so as to not let everyone know how stupid you are. Reaganomics has to do with the tax burden, and Reagan believed that lowering tax rates would create more revenue, thus bringing in more money. The top 10% of earners have always carried the majority of the tax burden and giving them a tax break does not mean you are stealing from the poor. You are just letting them keep a larger percentage of their own money, but they still keep a much smaller percentage than what people like you and me keep.
No way rich people have money to burn so they owe that to the poor. Didn’t you know rich people are all greedy evil things that don’t deserve the moeny they have, only the hard working poor deserve it. I mean really, shouldn’t we just give people our rightfully earned property. I think so, makes so much sense to me.
I’m sure there are plenty of Glenn Beck forums that would love to have you if you don’t like our lefty commie liberal site.
They won’t take him now that he’s been exposed to our Marxist ideology. Maybe if he buys lots and lots of gold from Beck’s sponsor Goldline, Beck will forgive him.
Now look sad and say Fox.
One has to go forth amongst the sinners to try to save their souls.
First thing you have to a lefty is to burst their littel delusional bubble.
one mostly finds lefties prefer to be amongst co-agendaist ‘yes men’ since they know they cannot argue against opposition without relying on screaming and shrieking to add weight their untenable position.
Nobody likes a proselytizer and I thought you greed is good types liked seeing people wallow in the consequences of their own actions. Your condescending you know best attitude shown in this post is not welcome. This is why you get no respect here.
Well, that and the fact that he (? I guess) is so illiterate that he can’t even spell “little” correctly.
just replace “lefties” with “righties”, and your statement could have just as easily be made by a Democrat
co-agendaist? So we’re just making up words now?
When has Megasock not made up words? Hell he makes up names words and “facts”. They he wonders why we think he is full of feces.
If it’s you attempting to save people I’ll take where it’s nice and warm thank you.
There’s a “Show Only” choice at the top of the page. Click “Democrats” and never have to complain again.
That is an excellent suggestion. Thank you. :3
Hmm- how did you not see it coming? I’m going to assume that sarcasm is implied. You saw it coming, because last time I checked American politics (pretty hard not to when you live in Canada- it’s like having Frat boys living in your basement.) the democrat/republic split was pretty even. So you’d have to be pretty stupid not to expect both sides to get their two cents in.
Oh and by the by- only in America would people as politically right wing as the Democrats be considered left wingers.
Lol @ Frat boys living in the basement
Seriously though, even drunken, stoned Frat boys after a 3 week bender would conduct themselves with more dignity, respect and honour than the most normal and average US politician does.
US politics today is a frikkin’ international joke and the pundits that barrack for both sides would be consigned to a state-run loony bin if they lived in any other country.
Unfortunately for Americans they have no other alternative, and that’s sad. It’s still a pretty cool country apart from the political and economic situations but they need to do something to get their leaders to chill the fvck out and put an end (or at least restrict) lobbyists
…hear-hear…
Politicians. They don ‘t run anything, the US is practically corporate run.
While I don’t care about the slant, I do object to having Obama play Ash. Come on, he is so far from being that cool it takes a Hubble telescope to even see that distance.
He leads the army of darkness, and isnt the one fighting against it.
One wonders if he even knows how to use a boomstick or a chainsaw.
The first reagan within range would take his leftist excrement filled head off with one swipe.
Quack
You have anger issues. I recommend therapy.
Or, perhaps a nice fern. Keeping houseplants can be very relaxing.
A nice fish tank is rather soothing as well.
Lookit all the nice little goldfish swimming around…
I have icthyphobia. What you described is good old fashioned nightmare fuel. *shudder*
So does that mean you are afraid of Kanye West, since he is a gay fish?
This IS the internetz, after all. Since when has our responses here accurately represent who we actually are? People make stuff up all the time.
Quack
Anyone other than Bruce Campbell depicted as Ash is blasphemy. Reagan zombies make me happy though. Zombie Reagan is better than no Reagan at all.
Plus, most of the Republican politicians would be safe from Zombie Reagan since zombies prefer to eat brains. BAZINGA!
Thanks for posting the source. That site is awesome.
I have to agree that Obama isn’t as cool as Ash, but who is? Bruce Campbell is about as cool as it gets. Still, I have to say this is easily my favorite post on the Cheezburger Network in a very long time.
Bruce Campbell for president!
Groovy.
Yepper another day in Zombieland pretty much sums it all up.
I don’t care whether or not you agree with the author’s message. This is all kinds of win and awesome!
ITA. This is freaking sweet! And I think Obama would be twice as awesome with a chainsaw for a right hand.
And a boomstick in his left.
He’s liberal, wouldn’t know how to use a boomstick!!!
(JK I know some liberals like guns).
In all honesty, I’m lost here. Isn’t it Obama who’s put together all types of stfling impacts on the economy. Instead of incentives he’s just thrwoing money into a bottomless and pit and can’t understand why it isn’t filling up. Taxing the rich right now most certainly will not help the economy, however neither will giving them more tax cuts. Incentives is what will make the economy grow, that and to stop Government spending like it’s going out of style. One big concern though is when we stop these wars, what becomes of the military industrial complex (where do those folks go to get jobs?).
It’s called “Trickle up poverty”.
Now who made up that phrase? It sounds positively Beckish.
you mean government spending isn’t going out of style? then what are all those tea-partyers for?
Obama wishes he could be half as cool as Bruce Campbell.
And even that is a pipe dream.
Obama is a ventriloquist dummy.
Must of been the crack he smoked in his youth…..
Cite on the crack smoking please? You keep saying that, but it doesn’t make it real.
No, you’re confusing Obama for Bush. Hell Cheney was such a good ventriloquist that he could drink a glass of water while Bush talked and made up words. Impressive, huh?
That being said, no, Obama is not as cool as Bruce Campbell, but that’s because so few people are. It’s not Obama’s fault. You can’t compare them.
And Bush was a drunk.
If you can bring up past drug use so can we.
Oh good job! Now I’ll bring up some past! Sarah Palin’s husband got a speeding ticket 23 years ago!
Clinton got a hummer in the White House.
Laura Bush killed a man.
0bama hasn’t fixed the economy because he’s a SOCIALIST! Jobs will happen when the Dems are out of power.
And when people are back in the missions to be used as fodder!
If your gonna be selfish and (I assume) hope for a conscience, hope people with morals don’t get angered.
What ‘missions’ are you speaking of ???
You mean the dem/lib/lefties promises of shiney new crutches for the
unfortunate people who simply cannot fend for themselve (due to institutionalized parasitism foisted on this country in FDRs reign ???)
When you are on crutches too long your legs wither and no Dr Obama the used wheelchair salesman is making his rounds.
You sound an awful lot like the character Andrew Ryan talking about parasites.
His ideas didn’t work either.
You know what would bring the jobs? Communism. In communism everyone has jobs! Hey, how about you conservatroll dunces come up with a way to attract jobs back from overseas. I don’t see you or the Democrats coming up with a solution to that one.
But that might mean making less profits (at least until your clients figure out what you didn’t, which is that the out-sourced jobs aren’t being done properly by people with “chequebook degrees”, drop your company, and go to the company who’ve now hired on most of the properly qualified and experienced people you fired (this actually happened to my sis; no further details of her name or the companies, or even field of work, involved will be forthcoming).
Yes, everyone has jobs, but no one works. The jobs will come back when businesses can make a profit.
I’m not a troll, but I am conservative and I have a few ideas on how to get jobs back over here.
1. Unions have outlived their usefulness with all the labor laws that are in place. They are simply sucking up money by being a middle-man that is no longer needed. They have bullied American auto-makers, airlines, and other industries into near bankruptcy by demanding ever more pay and benefits for employees to the point that the businesses are barely sustainable. The biggest winner in the auto bailouts were the unions, who strongly supported Obama, and in return were given a big chunk of ownership in GM.
2. Lower Corporate Taxes. Businesses move their operations overseas to avoid high tax rates and high labor costs. If we lower our corporate taxes so that they are competitive with the countries that are getting our jobs then we can remove that incentive to move jobs overseas.
3. Reduce taxes for the upper-middle class. Many private companies are run by the upper-middle class, but they are lumped in with the “wealthy” because they make over $250,000k a year. If we cut their tax rates they have more disposable income and may be able to hire that extra help they have been hesitant to hire. If Obama reduced their tax burden it would also instill more confidence in him and they may be a little less conservative and reserved in their business decisions.
4. If you have a job that pays over $20/ hour to stay in the same place and do the same thing over and over again all day then you might want to learn a new skill set. You will be replaced by a machine at some point.
I agree with those, also we may have to stand up to China and force them to stop playing games with their currency value or we add tariffs on their crap. We would have a chance to compete in some cases for manufacturing jobs.
We also have to look at taxes on the state level. New York and California are both losing employers (i.e. jobs) due to excessive tax rates. Texas, who has relatively low tax rates, has had positive private sector job growth over the past decade. Florida is the only other “top 10″ state to enjoy job growth over the last decade. If you look at the growth in Austin most of it can be attributed to jobs being transplanted from California’s Silicon Valley.
http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/stories/2010/01/25/daily19.html
1. Some unions have gotten a bit out of control. I’ll give you that. However, I worry about how businesses would react if they were gone. What’s to stop businesses from returning to the days of the late 19th and early 20th century as far as working conditions go? We have labor laws now, but it’s a lot harder for an employee to get them enforced when he’s not union. And I do believe companies wouldn’t think twice about returning to those poor working conditions if they could get away with it. If they were ethical about such things they wouldn’t ship jobs to places with poor working conditions and wages like China.
Here’s the issue: if companies can only make profits when their products are made by people making 30 cents per hour from the cheapest materials available, then we’ve got a bigger problem here. This has not always been the case. What has changed since the early to mid 1900′s that makes hiring American workers for living wages making quality products not profitable?
2. I halfway agree with you, but I think those tax breaks should be a reward for companies who don’t ship jobs overseas. Just giving out tax breaks doesn’t mean AT ALL that jobs will return here.
3. The upper-middle class is still doing fine with the taxes they are paying. If the taxes you are paying are causing strain in your lifestyle, then maybe the problem is you.
4. We’ll all be replaced by machines at some point. Just as soon as Skynet gets up to 100%.
Here’s the issue: if companies can only make profits when their products are made by people making 30 cents per hour from the cheapest materials available, then we’ve got a bigger problem here. This has not always been the case. What has changed since the early to mid 1900′s that makes hiring American workers for living wages making quality products not profitable?
I’d like to take a stab at that.
The Internet for one which greatly increased the ability for business to be conducted and controlled worldwide.
A tremendous improvement of the transportation infrastructure allowing for the large movement of goods accross water and much faster land travel making the target market and potential suppliers much larger.
A more materialistic society. They want more and more variety at cheaper prices so they can have more of it.
Disposibility. Things are so cheap now, its more cost effective to buy new rather than repair. Quality and disposibillty replaced service.
Greater mechanization of cheap labor markets such as China and India that are capable of making all those goods.
China and India became far less isolationistic after the wars.
Disposible income rose dramatically in the U.S., in a large part due to union efforts.
Low unemployment that help fuel wage increases and inflation.
Thats just a few of my ideas for now.
In Texas we have the Texas Workforce Commission who is an advocate for the worker in cases of wrongdoing on the part of the employer. Texas is already mostly union and our working conditions are fine. Unions use those scare tactics to maintain control over their members.
Here are the main two problems I have with unions:
1. Much of the money employers are paying to their union employees goes straight to the unions, creating a money vacuum that shouldn’t exist with the labor laws we have in place now.
2. Unions will push for their members to strike as a bargaining tool and shut down production. This cost everyone money. The workers aren’t working and the factories are sitting idle. At one point in our history you could argue that it was necessary because the workers were not treated fairly, but now they are striking for six weeks paid vacation instead of four or other extravagances that they don’t really need. We had a tire plant near where I live shut down because the company didn’t want to give in to the union’s demands. That is another problem with unions pushing strikes, they can result in everyone losing their job. Everyone except the union boss who will go on to the next local chapter and get rich off of other peoples labor.
The problem with Americans as consumers is that we EXPECT everything we buy to be, all at once: cheaper, faster, stronger, better, more reliable, etc. than the thing we are replacing. Since we can’t always get that we have constantly sacrificed quality for a lower price tag. I remember when you would walk into Wal Mart and there were signs everywhere that said Made in USA. It was on most of the packaging. After Sam Walton died his family desecrated his company and turned it into little more than a Made-In-China Flea Market. Wal Mart has gotten so big that if other large retailers want to keep up they have to follow suit and sell cheap crap that is made in China with toxic paint for a fraction of what an American-made product would cost. We can all do something to change that by reading the labels and seeing where things are made. If we make a conscious effort to buy American and shun cheap products made in China, then you will notice the jobs coming back. FYI, American company =/= American-made product and foreign company =/= foreign-made product every time. Many foreign car companies have factories here in the U.S., while American companies may have factories in Mexico. You have to do your homework.
The sick part is, not everything is getting cheaper, but it’s still made in China. See my usual Craftsman tools rant for a company the continues to charge higher and higher prices for lower and lower quality items.
The airline industry has been brought to it’s knees by poor executives. Perhaps you missed the hearing on Capital Hill, but pilots are paid horribly low considering the skill required to pilot a large aircraft. They are currently allotted 8 hours of rest from the moment the plane touches down until the plane takes off. So figure 90 min to and from the hotel and an additional hour or so to relax before sleep and get ready for the next day. You are looking at maybe 6 hours of sleep if they drop off instantly. And the companies see nothing wrong with this, while the Union is pushing for a full 7 hours starting from when they check into the hotel.
Also. the Unions take the dues you agree to as a member. A co-worker once told me the biggest mistake he ever made was trading his union guaranteed retirement package for a non-union management package. There is a reason corporations are afraid of unions, they have the power to make the company bargain, instead of “Don’t like your conditions? Well so long then, you’re fired.”
With many jobs union membership isn’t an option, it is required. So you can’t really agree to the dues if it is compulsory.
While certainly not feasible, I will offer up the ideas of disbanding unions or inflicting them in large scale on China and India. Perhaps this might spur a workable idea.
In my opinion, they encourage mediocrity, protect poor behaviors, multiply inflation and drive labor costs to uncompetitive levels.
Might work in India. They at least pretend to be a democracy. In China a union movement would likely only result in stacks of corpses. This is because China makes no particular conceit about giving a crap about human rights. The union movement worked in North America and Europe because they were “civilized” and “accountable” at the time it happened. Compare that with China’s government which is accountable to nothing at all.
Maybe a better solution would be to refuse to trade with any country that has crap for labor standards. This would force the other countries to either keep it to themselves or straighten up. It would also make exporting jobs less palatable to home grown industries as it would no longer be competitive to do so. Too many fat rich people are getting richer and fatter under the current model for that to happen though.
You might be surprised about unions in China. Google “china mcdonalds union” and you will get a whole wealth of information. I don’t know how it covers home grown countries but foreign ones seem to be hitting a wall. And union ideas will likely spread to the rest of country.
Not trading with also causes some serious issues, for example a serious reduction in people’s buying power and price inflations that would be felt here as a result of reactions such skyrocketing wages (much like the housing boom) and higher prices for small dollar items like TVs, DVDs and toys.
The major cause of buying power loss is the exportation of well paying jobs in the manufacturing sector to cheaper offshore places where wages are ridiculous. It only makes sense that when you strangle the wages of those in your main market(the US) there will be less money to spend. What’s happening right now is the North American economy is being propped up on credit cards and loans because wages have not kept up with inflation. The idea that wages drive inflation as a result is a fantasy not even remotely based on reality.
You asked me to google china MacDonald’s union. I did one better. 2 cites for you {http://247wallst.com/2010/06/10/will-china-crush-chinese-unions/}
{http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-06-30/honda-workers-bypass-toothless-china-unions-fueling-strikes.html}
One article gives an account of violent police action against striking miners and another gives examples of pathetically toothless(to use the wording of the article) Chinese unions. They are in fact so worthless that the workers are not bothering to consult with them at all because they do nothing to advocate for them.
Your serve.
Both of your cites are very valid, Chinese establishment is likely to put up a fight just as we did in our own history.
But, there are also numerous articles where they have been effective and I hope you read those as well. Some failures (or victories) do not discount an entire situation (no create absolute success). Looking only for things that support your view rather than broaden intellectual avenues seems rather FOXish.
There is a clear relationship between higher wages and inflation. Business will not absorb wage increase both internal and external from suppliers, but will pass these through to the consumers of their products. When labor costs (wages and benefits and their related taxes) represent one of the largest costs to a company, how can increasing it not lead to higher prices.
While I was in Washington, every minimum wage increase, the same day these took effect, our prices increased.
Employees, especially those of unions, are not going to sit back and watch their buying power degrade. As their costs increase, they expect to recieve wage increases to compensate.
Inflation creates a demand for wage increases which creates inflation which create wage increases and on and on. The connection and impact between higher wages and inflation can not be so casually discounted.
I accept that scarcity of resources also helps fuel the process, ultimately, prices increase and workers demand higher wages to compensate and then you’re back to inflation and trickle through costs.
Technology has done a fairly good job at helping compensate for resource cost increase, but costs for individual employees continue to rise and technology on offsets by reducing the headcount or raising productivity, but in general labor costs are still there and rising.
The major cause of exportation of well paying jobs in the manufacturing sector is the cost of labor makes it worth the problems to produce overseas and ship the goods back to the U.S. consumer. The second part is that same labor that wants the higher wage is unwilling to pay the higher price to support the higher wage of their follow U.S. worker.
If this was a closed economy that would work, but globalization ended that and consumers are just a business of a different type that tries to maximize benefits for costs.
Your points are valid as well, but there is a major correlation between the exportation of jobs outside the system(also known as globalization) and the loss of buying power here at home. Fact is wages have increased at a lower rate than costs, so while it remains a factor in increased inflation it cannot be called the driving force. Frankly it is actually quite scary just how little of our own goods are made here at home.
Pretty soon there is going to be too little cheap fuel left to ship crap willy nilly all over the world and like it or not we are going to have to face the fact that a global market cannot be sustained in the way that it has been. I would hate to see that we have gotten to the point where we no longer know how to make our own crap.
North America became the highest standard of living in the world by putting together a strong wealthy healthy middle class. The middle class is being destroyed in favor of the very rich being propped up by the very indebted poor. Shipping the jobs out is doing that. Quite simply if we don’t start making more of our own crap and soon we will be back to a feudal society here inside 100 years. From our polite chat here I doubt you want that any more than I do.
I completely agree with your final assessment. This will remain so until an equilibrium is created for a global standard of living.
Technically I agree that the rich are getting richer by using the working class, but that is more from them having a greater disposibile income and using it more wisely.
They see the sack of money and invest it in stocks or new businesses thus accelerating their increase in richness. Can you really blame them this (as long as they do so ethically)
The middle class see a smaller sack of disposible money and spend it on “luxuries” like TVs or new computers/game consoles, vacations the new generation of I-stuff, rarely on improving their overall position. And this does not even consider the effects of self inflicted credit card wounds. We remain so because of our addiction to the here and now and without a family money infusion will likely remain so.
Kind of hard to invest your small savings in the stock market, if you don’t actually have enough to buy 100 shares. And CDs are safer, for those who don’t have enough to risk. But CDs also require a minimum buy-in amount. Not everyone has that–especially if the only car in the family keeps needing repairs, and that car is the only way to get to work.
Good to see we have some middle ground here.
I would like to give a final thought. The same folks who are crying loudest that there is not enough money going around in the US are the ones who are doing their college best to move it out of country. With that as a perspective can you blame the dying middle class for getting a little hot under the collar?
Regardless of details I enjoyed our chat.
Now back to hunting and baiting trolls.
Define “SOCIALIST” and while you are at it tell us about all the jobs that were created during the Bush era. Oh and don’t forget to educate us about the booming economy the republicans left behind.
You know, there seems to be a pattern of economic hardship as we leave long Republican administrations. Interesting.
As much as I disagree with how he’s handled the financial side of things so far, I found this hilarious.
Then again, my husband is always making zombie jokes at random times, so maybe that’s why…
“Hail to the Chief, baby.”
Hell No Bamas Got To, Go.
HEY HEY HO HO.
Sooner Bamas given the ‘bums rush’, the sooner america will recover.
Yeah, ‘cos we did fantastic under the Republican’s rule. They want to bring back all of the stupid freaking ideas that got us here in the first place. How many time do you idiots want to try Reagonomics before the middle class is finally eradicated?
I think that Zippaar wants to try Reagonomics until the middle class is eleminated.
Or until it gets back onto it’s feet, which he seems to think will happen in a society that doesn’t support it’s middle class.
Seriously, I have no clue what he wants…
So he’s either evil or an idiot. I think we already knew that. LOL
Until the middle class is eradicated is my guess. Elitists.
ok, so obama isn’t perfect. at least he is trying.
The total number of days of vacation or retreat President Bush took, while in office over a period of 8 years was 967 days, or 32% of his total time in office, was spent on vacations or retreats
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-4728085-503544.html
Another 832 days were weekends, and, say 60 each for his 2004 nomination and campaign. Dubya spent maybe 2 days a week on average being president!
Who’s to say Bush didn’t work weekends? Cite please.
Obama is on pace to beat him.
What a load of BS. Now Obamites are trying to appoint blame on an administration 20+ years gone??
Well if we are doing that then lets go back to FDR and the Government Bureaucratic Buildup and Institutionalized Parasitism that that Democart ‘god’ put into place. Want to talk about sapping the strength of the econonmy then lets look to the real culprits.
Lets get rid of Obamalin and purge the government of the collectivists who do nothing for anybody unless it increases their own power.
Grab your gun and roll out or get back in your parlor.
so.. just nuke washington? cuz thats what EVERY POLITICIAN DOES!
I know right? The Republicans are no better. They’re just as power hungry as any given Democrat. And if Ziiiiippppppaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrr thinks the Tea Party is gonna save him, he’s sorely mistaken. As soon as one of them sets foot in Washington, they’re going to become the exact same thing as the rest of the politicians there.
Sad but true.
I really believe most low level politicians really entered in to do good things, but the corruption of the career/family politicians get them all.
I agree that’s the case for both parties. Hell, independents and other lesser parties too.
Quack elitist.
Cute way to put it, but it stinks of apologist crap to me and not undead GOP members.
oh how spot on….Obama is waging war on his own people. And he does view us all as monsters to be crushed.
*snerk*
No, Obama is waging war on undead Reagans. That sounds like a good cause to me. Kill the undead Reagans! Kill them all I say!
He thinks of us all as undead Reagans.
I wasn’t aware we had so many mind readers.
No, he thinks of the undead Reagans as undead Reagans.
He has been trying to help the Citizens of America, and to that I give him credit.
trying despite all those standing in his way.
trying despite the will of the people (there fixed that for you.) A governmetn going against the will of the people is no longer a government but a dictatorship. Which is why after November many Democrats will be saying “Would you like fires with that?”
As I said on another comment thread, if you think that voting out the democrats will save the country then go ahead and do that. However, be prepaired to accept the consiquences of this action, for better and for worse.
So what happens when the will of the people is flat out stupid? Should we continue with it? If the will of the people said to repeal your precious 2nd Amendment, would you be singing the same tune or would you flip out?
Besides, the people don’t seem to know what might be best.
A person is smart, people are dumb panicky animals.
If they did the Constitutional way and the y’all finally managed to get into the majority I’d have to just suck it up and deal with it. But the day the 2nd Amendment is repealed is the day America dies.
Agreed. One right gets taken and more are sure to follow.
Well, the Republican Party certainly acts like they are. It’s like a bunch of Reagan zombies these days, thinking “oh people don’t seem to like Obama…maybe they’ll like going back to the same old crap that didn’t work before then!”
quit stealing from my screenplay for “President Evil”
Oh that’s pure, unconcentrated, freshly squeezed awesome there.
He’s no Ash. He is an Ashhole though.
Clinton’s legacy was a budget surplus. He had eight years to turn Bush the First’s economic principles around.
Bush’s legacy was two wars on three fronts and an economy driven into the ground. He had eight years to jack up everything Clinton did.
Given everything else President Obama has to contend with I think that he’s come quite a long way towards correcting and improving our country as a whole.
Actually Clinton was the one that put the deregulations in that allowed banks to give out risky loans to people that could not afford them. That lead to foreclosures and the bursting of the housing bubble that was the main catalyst of our current economic woes. Democrats and Republicans are both guilty of getting us into this mess and the childish partisan politics are standing in the way of any real good ideas being brought forward. I think it’s time we get rid of both parties and start electing individuals into office instead of these drones that just go along with their party lines.
Hear Hear, all politicians nowdays are only good at are getting elected, not doing the actual jobs. Why can’t anybody realize that half the country isn’t a bunch of fvcking morons?
Because the morons are too loud.
We could try technocracy for a little while… interesting ideology that only people that know what they’re doing are in power? However they would also be the most efficient for change, good or bad.
Clunton’s “budget surplus” only existed on paper and depended on seriously flawed assumptions of perpetual economic growth, based primarily on tech and housing bubbles HE helped create.
It never would have materialized.
Bush’s main economic failing was not realizing that predictions made by Democratic economic strategists tend to be completely full of poo, because Liberals don’t ‘get’ real-world economics.
(Evidenciary link in name).
This is similar to the forecasts behind the pre-stimulus predictions that the unemployment rate would stay low if we passed it.
And how Barney Frank kept blocking FannieMae/FreddieMac reform, insisting that everything was fine with the way they were doing business.
And how NY and MD raised state income taxes, assuming this would lead to greater revenues, but the revenues went DOWN because the wealthy people moved to states with less or no income taxes, taking their money and the jobs their spending generates with them. (The Middle class and poor can’t afford to move so easily, so they’re the ones who get screwed)
Translation: blah blah blah all people who aren’t conservatives are bad. blah blah blah all conservative ideas are perfect. blah blah blah send all liberals to the gas chamber.
Ok you made your point and you can continue to do so, BUT DON’T YOU EVER DESECRATE BRUCE CAMBPLE AND THE EVIL DEAD SERIES AGAIN!
How dare they compare failbama to Bruce Cambell!
FAIL. The artist obviously doesn’t “get” the Evil Dead series…or understand the President’s stance on the 2nd Amendment.
Bruce Campbell for President 2012!
Hail to the King, BABY!
That’s funny, I thought the President supported the 2nd Amendment. I don’t like it, but I’m not in charge either.
One of the Reagan zombies looks like Nixon. The one that’s sneaking up behind Obama.
How DARE you deface the image of Army of Darkness by pairing it with Obama?!?!
lol u mad? //cool face//
Do all of you realize that the cartoonist who drew this & the jackhole that posted it both dream of having a sloppy 3-way with Nobama!
Do you realize that Ad Hominem only weakens your arguments?
OK Fine! A NON-Sloppy 3-way. There, you happy now!
Wow, that was lame. Did that actually sound funny in your head?
Nothing Hussein NObama does is funny! It’s Frighteningly Tragic. That’s why he’s out after 1 term.
Oh no! He used the president’s middle name! Seriously, you think that means ANYTHING? It’s a name. Big deal. If his name was Rufus Dweezil McBubble, would it make a difference?
BTW, I’ll be laughing at your tears of pain when he wins reelection in 2012. After all, the Republicans have nobody worthwhile in their ranks right now that I’ve seen.
Finally, even for a conservatroll you’re pathetic. You’re not even mildly amusing. Try harder next time.
Hussein NObama? Who’s that? Do we have a president named Hussein Nobama? Asking because I was not aware of this and you have to be in before you can be kicked out.
Oh oh wait you are talking about Barack Obama. How silly of you to repeatedly get his name wrong and make yourself look like a turd. Just for the record, you are not clever cute or funny. just stupid M’kay thanks bye.
After this, I will be extremely upset if I see another reference to “Dubya”.
Fine by me. I use politicians real names though out of respect for their office. Get mad if you want, but not at me. Regardless of how we feel about the people who hold the office, the office itself deserves respect and it pisses me off to see anyone but especially journalists abuse the office people hold by making up cute nicknames for the people holding them.
We call him “Dubya”:-
1) As disambiguation as to whether we mean him or his father.
2) Because “dubya” is the way he pronounces the letter “w”, and we presume that he knows how to pronounce his own name.
I call him “Nobama”:
1) Because there’s NO way I wanted him for president.
2) Because I can.
Actually, I don’t call him that. My point was that if you get upset by “Nobama” and not “Dubya”, you’re being an idiot. An unfair idiot. And unfair partisan idiot. That is all.
Now you understand the hypcorisy we must live with.
Dubya is the greatest hero in americas history
Sarcasm fail or truth fail… however you look at it, you fail
Yeah, he meant Reagan. Then it’s a truth win, or however you look at it.
I didn’t want Obama either. He’s underqualified. I would rather have seen Clinton by a college mile. My vote don’t count though as I live in a different country. As for the whole “Dubya” thing, I was never really keen on it either. But in the internet sometimes shorthand is needed. I doubt Bush jr would have gone over any better.
When you take childish name calling and pair it with factual inaccuracies like Doomathon does, it carries beyond silliness.
Here’s the thing:
Dubya just refers to his middle initial.
Nobama is taking a shot at Obama.
Perhaps getting upset over calling GWB “Shrub” would have been a better analogy.
I was under the impression Dubya was a knock on his ast for drug use.
Nah, it’s just the middle initial. I heard Bush pronounce it that way himself.
Nobama is just a contraction of Hussein and Obama, y’know. N’Obama.
It was worth a shot. The point is, Dubya is an intentional mispronunciation of his middle name to mock him.
Well, maybe your mom thinks you’re funny.
That’s disrespectful! Don’t talk about Rando’s mom like that.
I’m pretty sure we’re not siblings, doofus.
Oh! was that not the 3-way comment? My bad..
It’s kinda sad that a lot of people saw this comic and instantly went OMFG LIBERAL AGENDA.
Me personally? I thought it was funny as hell. Lighten up, folks.
Actually it’s pretty insulting with Obama killing “conservatives” and also calling conservatives zombies. I lean towards if the tables would turn there would be out cry.
He’s not killing conservatives. He’s killing Reagan zombies. Sounds like a pretty kick ass video game to me.
these actually appear to be zombie clones. is it really that insulting to destroy unholy, illegal undead things attempting to assassinate a sitting president?
but let’s turn your tables. hmmm…its 200elebenty…palin with her moose hunting rifle is blasting a hoarde of zombie clintons trying to cop a feel….
…(snicker)…
Except for the very frightening implication that Palin is president that is very funny.
No, it’s pretty clear that the cartoon Obama is killing “Reaganomics”, not “conservatives” which is clearly a zombie idea. It’s been disproven (killed) through experience time and time again over the last thirty years but it just keeps coming back. Look people, the rich aren’t going to spend their money “creating jobs”. Jobs are created by demand, not by a rich person investing their tax cut in the stock market. Kill this zombie dead now.
Double tap it this time too.
This political cartoon isn’t very good. Obama doesn’t cling to guns remember? The artist should of portrayed Obama attempting to sit down with the zombies and have unconditional talks.
Good point.
Yes, because we all know Obama has no clue when negotiations won’t work, I mean his Afghanistan policy has been distinctly lacking in armed conflict…
Just b/c you send more troops doesn’t mean it’s full of armed conflict. Defensive campaign usually equates to lower “armed conflict” yet higher fatalities to those “sitting around.”
He is still sending drones into Afghanistan and they are launching offensives to clear areas. Hardly just defensive.
That JUST started. The surge has been active for four months and only supposed to last for 8 months. So for 4 months of Obamas 48 month time in office we’ll be on the offensive, sounds pretty defensive to me.
And how would you recommend we go on the offensive when we are attempting to rebuild a nation, not destroy it? Invade Iran or Pakistan?
a 4 month offensive will not work, we tried that before. Drone are only so effective against men in caves.
You forgot, surges don’t work. Baba Rama Lama ‘Bama said so.
Zombie Beer Summit?
Maybe they can drink Posthumous Pale Ale.
I think we need more beer summits. And I think I need to be invited to said beer summits.
Hell, I just want some beer.
Should you be drinking, you know with you condition?
Rando has a condition? A condition bad for alcohol? My pities for you Rando.
*sigh* I know I’m gonna regret this, but what condition is that?
You know that condition, that makes you say some of those funny wacky things… I think it’s being a liberal. Liberal and alcohol causes weird things, while conservatism and alcohol causes dead hunters.
Now, now, pb, just because their kind attacks us irrationally, doesn’t mean WE have to as well.
I wish Obama was going after Reaganomics with a chainsaw and shotgun. Too bad if you objectively look at the policies he has enacted it becomes quite clear that Obama is a moderate. And how about we all knock off the Hitler stuff until somebody kills millions of people, ok? Bush was not Hitler, Obama is not Hitler, lets have a sane conversation without Hitler accusations (thank you Jon Stewart)
Obama is to moderate as Rational Thought is to rational thought.
Actually, Obama is a moderate; politics in the US have been pushed so far to the Right that he only seems like a raving Commie Extremist by comparison.
Actually politics in America has stayed somewhat consistent (with some swing to the left with Social Security and other government watch dog agencies.) So it’s Europe that has swung to the left, nice try though saying America has changed. And since he is the American President, I’m going to go with American standards, Obama is a liberal.
That’s silly. Politics have become far more polarizing in the last 20-30 years.
NO! YOU have been MADE more polarized BY politicians, & the media, over the past 20 – 30 years. Wake-Up!
The politicians have set the table and you’re the fondue! ‘Cause when they BITE into you they get money & power; covered in the sweet taste of someone who lets them get away with it.
Damn, now I want some fondue.
Ummmmm. The gooey goodness of other peoples money…
Have you noticed how many European nations are making moves back away from the far left? (Even Sweden had some change the other day)
No. No I haven’t.
Really? Germany and France made a hard turn. The UK is working on decentralizing it’s health care along with the last election. And as I said, Sweden had a surge to the right in it’s election the other day.
Decentralizing, not removing. The British citizens would be up in arms if the government tried to take away their healthcare.
That would happen here I imagine if they stopped social security cold turkey. That’s why we don’t want to even get started with government run health care, it’s a pandoras box. We can all see how well things like social security and medicare went and don’t want to see that happen to health care.
You insensitive a$4hat…. how dare you want people to die, DIE b/c you don’t want them to have Health Care… froth froth froth…
That’s funny. The health care system as it is already seems to be a travesty. I don’t think the health care “industry” can manage itself very well.
Giving that my mom can’t afford over half the medications she needs. she had to put off getting an MRI scan due to money concerns.
Funny how the government run helath care decided to tell my Grandma to die a slow painful death of cancer, b/c well she was too old for surgery.
That “too old for surgery” was the doctors call. My mother needed surgery to repair her broken ankle, but the surgeon refused as her heart was so bad due to age. It had nothing to do with insurance.
Stop being a chicken little, FFS.
And it’s not really true – I have not heard anythig about Sweden but even if it were true, it does not mean it’s happening in “many” European countries.
Germany for example currently has the most conservative and pro-business Government it has had in years – and people are now strongly leaning to the left – they will probably win the next elections which are not far away.
The extreme right wing parties (thinly veiled neonazis etc.) are even loosing in voter support year after year (their base is fortunately very very small).
Germany made a hard turn – to the left. To claim the opposite is a result of people getting their news from biased sources.
(And for the record: I voted for our current government and I would never vote for our left – but I would never ever vote for a Republican if I lived in the US – the democrats are plenty right wing for me, thanks)
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Swedish election
Sarkozy and Merkel are both right wing politicians.
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{http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/6237823/Angela-Merkels-centre-Right-coalition-wins-in-Germany.html}
Maybe not to the level of the right wing in America, but note that I said a turn from the left. Europe is getting tired of the failed policies that are socialism.
1) I mentioned that the German government is already in power for a while (1 year) and that the left is now massively gaining strength because it is so bad – the change happening right now is happening from right to left, not the other way around.
2) Even our conservatives that are in power right now (and they are nowhere near “Right-Wing”) are more left than your “Democrats”
3) Germany had the same “right-wing” government for 16 years, people got so sick of it that they voted left – they were in power for a while but managed to screw it up, now we have the “old” government back but they are worse than before, making people turn left not right.
4) Germany is not socialist but a Democracy. East Germany was a socialist nation. We can tell the difference. You obviously cannot. Your interpretations are – well basically just your biased opinion
5) Sarkozy’s government (he was also elected a while ago) is very right wing – and massively loosing support among their people. Also not a good example for your cause.
6) The public health care system here has worked here for over 50 years and noone is dying of taxation. Taxes are higher than in the US but the standard of living is absolutely comparable if not higher if seen across all population groups – and Germany’s economy is very strong. Do you really want to use Germany as an example? Not helping your “cause” here
1.) None of the news articles I read say that the left is gaining in Germany.
2._ Moving away from the left is not becoming the American right, nor have I or anyone else claimed that. Quit making that up.
3.) The whole news world was up in arms when Merkel won, about how big a jump to the right it was.
4.) I didn’t call Germany anything but a democracy. That doesn’t mean that the socialism that has been experimented with in Europe doesn’t qualify as socialism.
5.) If you were 100% right about that, (and you aren’t) it still wouldn’t change the FACT that it did happen. There are bound to be some back and forth swings in all nations. What I’ve brought attention to is that it’s not just one nation, but many of Europe that are finally making the turn back away from the far left. It won’t happen in 1 or 2 elections, but most likely in the same 50 years it took to get that far to the left.
6.) The UK would greatly disagree with you on that. I’ve posted about 100 links before from UK newspapers about the failings of NHS. And I posted the links where the Swedes are propping up their own nation with the child labor of the African gold mines.
Naliord is German, in case you didn’t know. Odds are good he has read a lot more German articles than you. Just saying.
I’m fully aware of that. I don’t think the BBC skews things THAT much from the local news in Germany. And it wouldn’t matter anyways. As I said, there’s bound to be some back and forth. My point was that Germany, along with several other European nations DID turn away from the left. Most importantly they have all done it within a short time frame.
My family name is German, and while I am majority Cherokee, I’ve been raised as a German-American and even spent 4 years in Germany. I still have friends there.
Yay for Germany! I plan on taking a trip there next summer. Now all I have to do is continue to work on my German. And my conversation derailing. Although it looks like I’m competent. Now I feel like a troll… I’m very sorry, I apologize for this post. I just finished an essay.. And this isn’t make my post any better.
PLEASE bring me back some brochen and REAL bratwurst. I have yet to find a German restaurant that has the real thing. *sigh*
Oh, and be careful of the candy. A lot of it is fulled with liquor that you can’t taste. You WILL be falling down drunk with just 2-3 of them.
Oh for crying out loud, you really think you know what’s going on in Germany more than the German dude? *facepalm*
Why, yes, Rando. Don’t you know that he’s part every-nation-and-race-in-the-world, and part cherokee? That makes him an authority on EVERYTHING!
Actually, I think a German with an agenda to prop up would only read/wish things were going for his side.
I don’t think the BBC is that far off, and if anything slants to the left. And I posted a BBC article about Germany’s shift to the right.
As for my heritage, bite me. I’m am proudly part of the great American melting pot. I’ve said nothing about being the authority on anything, but rather have posted the same thing you post here. Opinion. Grow up little boys. Grow up.
I think I’m German way way back, so I’m obviously an expert. Plus I have thirty years of field experience.
LOL, be careful. Derps up there know every time you’ve visited, every business and friend you have there. They know what news sources you have and exactly how much you heritage means to you.
And I’m serious about bringing back some food. *drools*
I’ll mail you some.
Please explain to me how our Democrats are considered right wing? Really, I hear this all the time from Europeans and I honestly don’t understand what you mean. Can you give some concrete examples of right wing policy stances from the Democrats? Also, if they are right wing, what do you consider the Republicans to be?
Their right wing is different from our right wing, so thing they consider right wing would probably still be on your “socialist liberal hippie” list. I’m guessing Republicans to them are just fvcking nuts.
America has not at all stayed the same, a basic understanding of history would show this. If you would stop and realize that your own views are really far to the right and take that into consideration when you objectively look at President Obama’s policies you would see, he is clearly a moderate. I’m a Liberal. Obama’s policies are right of mine, that does NOT make him a Conservative. You are very clearly a extreme Conservative, his policies are far left of the ones you would like, that does NOT make him a Socialist or even a Liberal. Please, be more sane so we can actually have a sane discussion about policy issues. It would help our country a great deal.
Didn’t he say there was a swing to the left with social security? Other than that we have stayed the same and conservatives want to keep it that way. It’s the liberal Dems that want “change”. They even got elected on that as a slogan.
A final note on this; Left Wing ideology occured and spread in response to the worst parts of the industrial revolution, during which time the lower classes were used and abused by the upper class, resulting in poor working conditions and bad wages. In America, these left-leaning ideas never had a chance to gain ground due to the size of the country. Although America moved closer to the center/left during FDR’s era and the great depression, the McCarthyism of the Cold War era basically killed the Left-Wing in America.
I also understand that Obama is a Liberial by American standards, but as far as the rest of the world is concerned he is a moderate conservative and at least farther to the right ideologically then Canadian Prime Minister Steven Harper.
Just something to think about.
You mean during the entire Civil Rights movement? If we had swung so far right, Social Security would have gone by the way side before it had gotten a huge traction it has today. Since that didn’t occur I’m thinking the country stayed pretty moderate. Possibly the thought we were “right” at the time, but I’m pretty sure most of Western Europe was against communism at the time.
WTF? Rational thought is dead on. And seemingly rather bipartisan in this post. Obama is not nearly as liberal as you guys think (as a liberal I know, trust me, he ain’t one of us). You call him a liberal because on the right you guys have it in your head that being really conservative is the norm. The rest of the world knows that we are one of the most conservative nations in the world. Hell, I’D probably be right wing in most countries.
If he were really liberal, he’d be taking on the 2nd Amendment. He hasn’t done that. He’d support gay marriage. He hasn’t done that. He would’ve pushed for a more comprehensive universal health care policy. He gave up on that real fast. He wouldn’t be waging wars in countries that aren’t a threat to us. We’re still in Afghanistan and are just now pulling out of Iraq. Honestly, outside of a not-very-comprehensive health care law and pushing the repeal of don’t-ask-don’t-tell, what has he done that is all that liberal? And for the record, just not being conservative doesn’t count as being liberal. And for the record also, saying he spends a lot doesn’t make him liberal either. They all do it in Washington. All of them.
And RT was right. Obama isn’t Hitler, and Bush isn’t Hitler. People who suggest either are idiots.
Thank you good sir. Glad to see there are still some people who are for sane discourse.
No Rando, you are pretty liberal even by Canuck standards. You are easily further to the left than I am.
Hey fvck nut when did I ever call Obama Hitler? Have I ever called Hitler a Socialist either as everyone on here jumped on when I called Obama a liberal. In American standards Obama is a liberal. Does he believe in taxing the rich, and only the rich? Yes (liberal). Does he believe in luxury taxes to support a push on socialized medical care? Yes (liberal). Does he believe in big government? Yes (liberal). Does he believe in “alternative” energy sources without understanding their impact on the environment for the country and man made environmental change? Yes (liberal). Has he referred to illegal immigrants as law abiding citizens? Yes (liberal). Does his administration believe in a stronger central government, vice State’s Rights? Yes (liberal).
Sorry Rando and Mr. Rational Thought, just b/c Mr. Obama is right of you doesn’t mean he’s a moderate. I am by far more moderate than you two. I at least cross the aisle once in a while, ie Pro-Choice, Pro Gay Marriage, Anti-Christian based laws, Gun control on the right premise (who really needs a fully automatic AK-47 or RPG). To the world he may be a moderate, but unfortunately the res of the world doesn’t vote for American politics, we American citizens do. America as a whole has progressively moved to the left, just not as fast of Europe, America HAS not been pushed to the right. So Mr. Rational, maybe it is YOU that needs to become sane, and realize this country just doesn’t want to be as liberal as you’d like, and if you really want a liberal nation, move to Europe.
I didn’t say called anyone Hitler. Settle the fvck down. I was just saying that RT was right that people who do are idiots. Chill. Seriously. The insults are seriously unnecessary.
I didn’t say YOU called anyone Hitler. Wow, I’m losing entire words here.
That was more aimed at Rational Thought who was putting words in my mouth.
Chill bro! I said people who call Obama (or anyone) Hitler need to knock it off, I never said you did. Plus, I said if you look at the POLICIES he has enacted he is a moderate, not his “beliefs” because his “beliefs” can just be made up by people in arguments to suit their agenda (ie people who say he “believes” in universal health care. Or anyone on FOX news, they tend to do that oh you know, 24/7). Policy, thats what I’m talking about. Health care reform was a moderate bill that leaned to the left. A liberal would have pushed for universal health care, which it did not. The bill did not even contain a public option. He did not push for universal health care coverage, thats just not true. If America has moved so far to the left, why does FOX news always crush MSNBC (a liberal network) and CNN (a moderate network) in the ratings? We have moved to the right. We have severely deregulated the banking industry. FDR’s proposed second bill of rights was quite Liberal. Today if he had proposed it he would have been crucified as a Socialist. It is quite clear that since the days of FDR we have moved to the right. I also cross the aisle, I would very much like it if the government stayed out of my marijuana, I’m sick of dealers, I want Pot-Co.
I love the “chill Bro” when you out right insult me. “Please, be more sane so we can actually have a sane discussion about policy issues.” So if I turn and insult you back it’s a problem. I smell a hypocrite. Also policies enacted do not make a man’s label make. It’s the beliefs that person holds, AND has stated he believes. Actually I don’t watch Fox News so another one of your stereotypes busted. Perhaps it is YOU who needs to “be more sane” and stop stereotyping all conservatives as “Far Right Fox watching zombies” which you’ve pretty much implied. And you thinking CNN is a moderate network, right there tells me your definiton of moderate is skewed to the left a bit. Possibly you are so far left that anything just left of center to you is Conservative. What about Americas nice progressive Tax Code (even with Bush tax cuts is ine if the highest percentages for the “rich” in the world.)? If we were so far right as you said Roe V Wade would have been over turned; Don’t Ask Don’t Tell would have been transitioned back to Don’t Even Think About It; Arizona’s law wouldn’t have such trouble; Health Care Bill wouldn’t have even been proposed.
When FDR proposed his second bill of rights it didn’t go over well to many Americans. Only thing to really come of it was Social Security (all other Bills attributed to it died horrible deaths in Congress/ Wagner-Murray-Dingell Bill (first attempt at Universial Helath Care) couldn’t even get enough suppport to make it to the floor, Full Employment Bill had even less support, and let us not forget the Housing Act of 1949. So if the country didn’t want those things then, and some sort of Health Care reform was passed in congress today, I would say our country has shifted since then.
First of all, I’d like to see some citations for these claims. Here’s my response to them.
-He does want to tax the rich more, but I don’t think he only wants to tax them.
-The luxury tax thing sounds false, but you did get ‘paying more money to pay for socialized health care’ right; if you have social survices, you need to pay taxes. Since he didn’t get a public option placed into the health care bill, however, this is a moot point for now.
-I see no evidence that he wants ‘big’ or ‘centralized’ government. I would argue that this label could be applied to any politition.
-The illegal immigrant thing…I think he called the childern of illegal immigrants American Citizens, so this is partally right.
-the Alternative Energy source thing is true, but since he has approved oil drilling in Alaska, the East Coast, and off the Gulf of Mexico, this seems to be a secondary goal.
So you got some of that right, and some of that wrong.
I still don’t see how you can claim that America has moved to the left as you think it has, but I’m not sure if we can see this eye to eye on this issue, so I’ll let it go. I will just say that a bit more socialism couldn’t hurt.
Also, while the rest of the world doesn’t vote for American politics, they do have the right to be concerned about what happens in the country; after all, America is the keystone of the world economy, and if anything happens to it then everyone will suffer.
I’d take slightly higher taxes for socialized health care as it would likely be far less expensive than most insurance plans.
And we do have to take care of immediate energy needs as well as looking at long term energy solutions.
1. His campaign promise to raise taxes on only those making more than $250K a year.
2. His tax on tanning, that’s already been implemented.
3. “Speaking before the National Press Club in April 2005, he defended the New Deal social welfare policies of Franklin D. Roosevelt, associating Republican proposals to establish private accounts for Social Security with Social Darwinism.” The New Deal was extremely centralized/ bigger government. Obama’s push for Health Care reform took things out of the state’s hands. His attack of the AZ law, saying it should be up to the federal government to handle.
4. I’m sorry he called them law abiding persons. “We’re examining any implications especially for civil rights because in the United States of America, no law abiding person — be they an American citizen, illegal immigrant, or a visitor or tourist from Mexico — should ever be subject to suspicion simply because of what they look “
5. Sometimes someone’s actions are more to save thier skin, than in line with their ideals. He has said many a times he’s against Drilling, just necessity of AMerica’s dependence on the stuff forces him to drill. Instead of looking at viable options, he keeps funding stuff like ethanol (you know corn), vice hydrogen or water, or even cold fusion.
So I got most of that right, except for the one word.
Possibly the rest of the world should take it’s economic self off the American teet, and therefore survive without America. I think the problem lies in that the rest of the world actually believes they should have a say in American domestic policies, when in actuality they shouldn’t. I would say the same thing for America to stay out of people’s policies, but unfortunately those people pull us into the $hit.
Because he’s too busy telling us what the Republicans are doing, which apparently is the second easiest thing to do.
“Easiest thing for GOP to do is ride fear and anger.” Obama Sept 8,2010
Well, they seem quite good at it, don’t they?
“Obama Takes on Fox News Again, Calls Its Political Views ‘Destructive’”
Must not have been able to find any challenging work to do today
Why does everyone think Reaganomics failed? I don’t think it ever really had a good chance to succeed. After all, GWB spent like a drunken sailor.
G.W. came in after Clinton cleaned up the mess from Reagan… Reagan actually presided over some of the largest deficits of his day, causing a huge increase in National Debt without many tangible results… Remember Star Wars?
The end of the Cold War is a pretty tangible result.
He didn’t, Gorbachev was already on the road to a end Soviet occupations in Eastern Europe. All Reagan did was speed it up a few years by outspending the Russians, pushing us farther into debt. The real end to the cold war came from Afghanistan, where all we did was prop up the locals and give them funding.
He didn’t? Yes, I don’t even see how that it debatable. Reagan fought the Cold War on three fronts: diplomacy, trade and military strength. Gorbachev’s cooperation was, in large part, thanks to Reagan’s diplomatic ability. His military spending and trade sanctions helped to move to process to a conclusion. If Reagan had not pushed on all fronts then the Cold War would more than likely still be going on.
Highly unlikely. By the time the Cold War ended, Russia had been plunged into so much economic debt that it would’ve fallen sooner or later. Gorbechev recognized this and began a policy of ‘openess’ to allow people to critize the Soviet Union, triggering the begining of the end for the USSR. So while Reagan may have had a role to play in ending the Cold War, it was the self-destruction of the USSR that truely ended it.
Have you ever heard of sanctions? That was another nifty little tool that the US used on Russia starting shortly after WWII. Carter tried to ease sanctions, but Reagan put in more when he was president. Another contribution to the fall of the U.S.S.R.
So running up massive debt is okay if it pisses off the Russians. Got it.
Hey we won, they lost.
Like Sean said, we were gonna win anyway.
No we weren’t. Our victory was not an assured measure. If our victory was so assured and the G-Man was going to do away with Communism anyhows, why did he try and match our spending? Seems counter intuative, if he’s going to “join us”, doesn’t it?
Reagan might have shaved a couple years off of it, but the USSR was pretty well doomed anyway.
That was said in the 1950′s as well due to the inept leadership of Malenkov and Bulganin. However Mr. Krushchev came in and “regained” control of the populous. I strongly believe if Putin had somehow been in the wings to take office after G-Man, then there would still be a Soviet Union.
So why are we headed towards a governmental system more like theirs?
Not only did the west win, it won without firing a shot. That is the best kind of win.
Keeping Democracy and the free world safe from tyranny is good for business.
I don’t think replacing your writing hand with a chainsaw would be a good move for any president, even during a zombie apocalypse.
You make a good point.
I’d imagine it would be fairly difficult to pass anything into law when every attempt to sign ends with WWWHHHHHHRRRRRRR and a table cut into firewood.
In after Blue Zombies moan “Chaaaaange… CHAAAAAAAANGE!!!!”
Change this.
Okay.
In after the Burning Zombies moan “Fiiiiiirrre… FIIIIIIRRREEE!!!!!”
Hope you guys enjoy it. You are “getting the government that you deserve.”
Oh and as for “Reaganomics,” Bush I, Reagan’s vice president, called it “voodoo economics.”
YOU ARE ALL ARGUING ON PUNDIT KITCHEN!! DO YOU EVEN REALIZE WHERE YOU ARE!?
I’M SORRY I CAN’T HEAR YOU CAN YOU SPEAK UP A BIT?
its amazing what you can do if comment under a picture. the museums of the future will tell of this.
Much the same way as other harmless forms of amusement from the past are discussed in museums? Oh wait…
My living room?
Caps lock is cruise control for cool lol.
Reaganomics were actually invented by Alexander Hamilton, under George Washington’s presidency. Dunno why some liberals both say that “america needs to go back to its roots” and oppose Reaganomics.
Because Thomas Paine, among others, was very much for a big government to take care of the people in their time of need, and for taxing the rich more than the poor. If I remember my numbers correctly, the current distribution of wealth is over 60% in the hand of the top 1%.
Sorry, you are way off. You are thinking of the current tax burden distribution?
The wealthiest 1 percent of the population earn 19 percent of the income but pay 37 percent of the income tax. The top 10 percent pay 68 percent of the tab. Meanwhile, the bottom 50 percent—those below the median income level—now earn 13 percent of the income but pay just 3 percent of the taxes.
http://www.american.com/archive/2007/november-december-magazine-contents/guess-who-really-pays-the-taxes
I love the way people throw these figures around. Do you really think that, when you spread 13% of the income among 50% of the people, that those 150M people have ANY surplus money to throw around?
Whereas, that 1% getting 19% of all the money — they have PLENTY. *They’re* the ones arguably deriving the most benefit from this country, and its freedoms, and its economy. In consequence of their vast wealth, they have far more influence over the government and its policies than anyone else. If there’s anyone who OUGHT to pony up, it’s them.
First of all, I didn’t start throwing the numbers around. One of your comrades pulled a fake number out of thin air to try to emphasize his point. I actually brought in the real numbers and gave a cite. Sorry for bringing reality into this.
The fundamental difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals think that the successful in this country are never punished enough for their success. YES, it is punishment. If I say we are going to play a game and everyone on the losing team gets 10 lashes with a whip because they are losers, but everyone on the winning team gets 50 lashes for winning. That is basically what they are doing with the tax code right now.
Yes, the bottom 50% do have a lot less of the wealth, believe me I know. That’s why we are only paying 3% of the taxes! So instead of thinking these people are evil for being successful, maybe we should be thanking them for shouldering 97% of the tax burden so that most of us in the lower brackets either don’t wind up owing anything at all, or if we have kids we get a $3000-$4000 check BACK from the government every year without even paying any income taxes in because of our exemptions.
shouldn’t something be written on the chainsaw and boomstick on cartoons like these?
On the chainsaw you could write “shredding the Constitution”.
cause he is a communist and wants to destroy mcdonalds?
FAIL! Everyone knows that NO politicians have souls (I think they are all deadites). That, and Ash is too cool to be compared to any politician.
THIS IS SACRILEGE! I thought there was a limit to punditry, some lines they would not cross, but this utterly defiles one of my all-time favorite films! Portraying Obama as Ash is just… ooooh, I’m burning up right now. I just might burst into flames before my time.
Remember when Reagan raised taxes 6 times? LOL
No, enlighten me.