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Only in America.
While I agree with your statement “Only in America” I believe that most Americans believe this facepalm worthy. That being said, there’s probably still alot of the “you’re either a patriot or terrorist” mentality that thinks this is a great idea.
Also Fox News – Am I very wrong if I think of them as the “The Sun” of north america?
No, the Sun has intelligent and well researched stories compared to Fox
Both are owned by the same person. Rupert Murdoch. I don’t really have to go into detail on that tard.
Yes, the sun is right wing.
Also, its viewers are childish. It’s all pictures and big words, font wise. It gives a semblance of intelligence, to paraphrase Plato.
Also, locally, the Toronto sun has a “Sunshine girl” or whatever, where it’s basically just some hot chick spouting populist conservative dribble. It also goes without saying its homophobic ad in late summer.
The UK Sun is known for its homophobic views. And before you say it doesn’t, tell me, does falsely accusing Elton John of having sex with rent boys and removing his dogs vocal cords because they barked too much, not sound a little homophobic?
Oh you mean like Sea of Japan versus East Sea?
//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Japan_naming_dispute
GTFO with this stupidity.
Hey fella,
> [...] the name Sea of Japan did not become common until Korea was under Japanese rule,
Seems like you guys gotta conquer Meixo first.
Missing the point.
Uh…no. Not only in America. Try again, please.
Yeah, right,Missipissi, you own the flipping ocean.
It is actually only going to apply to their 90 mile stretch. Also, the guy who wrote the bill is a Democrat. So Mike and Bob may have to rethink their opinions on this.
I guess he’s not a Democrat anymore.
No True Scotsman, eh?
It’s okay, Mike. I know it hurts to admit that even Democrats can champion pointless causes, but you’ll survive. What doesn’t kill you only makes you stronger. Hug it out, man!
Now now, he may have been referencing conservative network’s tendencies to make ‘typos’ regarding the party affiliation of people in their party that they dislike.
Regardless, ignorance is absolute, no matter how good or absolute one thinks their side to be, there are always idiots supporting it.
I don’t claim that my side is good or absolute, but I’m pretty certain I’m not an idiot. Given that, thus far, the only person supporting my side is me, that would make my side an exception to your statement.
I assure you, at least one other person has similar beliefs to you, for all the wrong reasons. ;3
Oh, goody.
Regardless of who wrote the bill, douche is as douche does.
The whole Pacific is hereby renamed Hawaii Pond and the Atlantic shall be called American Water East (AWE for short, if you pay to use the registered trademark).
Can I get freedom fries with that?
As long as we’re doing this, why not rename countries? We could call Canada ‘America North’.
Here is your order of freedom fries, super sized and to go.
While we’re doing this, maybe the US could finally name itself instead of using its description. Especially since you’re really more of a single country than a collection of states these days.
Or we can let you have America and rename this side of the world and the continents.
Your idea is fair, logical and eminently reasonable. It will therefore never fly here.
As far as our name being a (not very good) description, you’re right. A better name/descriptor would be: Here Be Armed Near-Lunatics. But then we’d have to change all the stationery, so it won’t happen.
I disagree, because his statement was based on an incorrect premise: that the United States of America are indeed United.
We aren’t. The states don’t really get along with each other. Some states don’t get along with anybody (Texas). We’ve even got states like California that don’t get along with themselves (northern California is borderline nutcase Conservative, middle California is whiny Liberal, and southern California politics are owned by Hollywood).
America could be more correctly described as the Collected Stepchildren of the Federal Government then by anything United… and that’s just talking about the State level. On the individual level, it’s worse.
My experience has been that the coastal areas of CA tend to be more liberal even in Nor Cal while the inland areas tend towards conservative politics.
To an extent. I think it’s the fresh air, personally.
In our defense, we’re not the only country that does that (see: Etats Unis de Mexico; Ecuador)
Nearly every nation on Earth does this; it’s actually not unusual at all.
A quick linguistic note – “United States”, in Spanish, is Estados Unidos – Etats Unis is French.
Which means that the google linked I used to vet my statement was in French. Dammit. That’s what I get for taking 3 years of French, and having a number of Hispanic friends…
Well, it is indisputably in North America, but I doubt they were thinking of the continent when they wrote that bill.
Besides that, “Gulf of America” just doesn’t have the same ring to it.
CORRECTION: He definitely wasn’t thinking of the continent. He was thinking of the giggles.
yeah, and think about all of the travel pamphlets we would have to reprint
“Besides that, “Gulf of America” just doesn’t have the same ring to it.”
Sure it does. Especially if you add “F*ck yeah!!1!” to it.
Still a different ring, even if superior with the addendum.
Who’s Mississippi Bill?
I would guess it’s this guy.
http://www.vote29.com/newmyblog/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/hillbilly19.jpg
Here’s some information that Fox doesn’t want you to have: The bill was entered as satire.
http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/index.php/site/comments/hollands_gulf_of_america_bill_sweeping_the_nation/
Between that news source (who I’ve never heard of) and Fox News; I see little that really indicates whether the bill is a “joke.”
If it is a joke, then I’m sure glad he’s wasting people’s time. /sarcasm
Here are some other sources, and his point was that legislators in Mississippi are already wasting too much time. Jackson Free Press was just the first to note that it was satire.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/09/gulf-of-america-mexico-steve-holland_n_1265834.html
http://www.cbs12.com/news/mississippi-4738728-gulf-holland.html
Alright, so he’s just wasting people’s time and unable to civilly debate a bill he opposes.
‘Twas indeed a joke, and people should really do some research before jumping on the “shocked” bandwagon.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501704_162-57375904/miss-lawmaker-gulf-of-america-bill-was-a-joke/
This was in my newspaper today, and it is definitely a joke. Yes, it’s a bad joke, but it’s not real. Anyone who believed this was real for even a single instant is an idiot. -_-;
While that is over the top and laughable, I am guilty of believing that many US congressmen would be totally capable of something that stupid.
As stupid as they are, the vast majority of them are still driven by what’s going to put money in their pockets. If they thought that getting that baloney pushed through would make them a little cash, then yeah, they’d try it. However, there’s no way in hell that changing the name of the Gulf would do anything but lose money, so they wouldn’t do it.
I dunno, it’s probably get them a good deal of re-election donations from certain individuals, and I’ve seen plenty of dumb bills proposed.
Even if it’s not true, it makes more sense. It’s not all in Mexico and it’s not all in the US. Mexico and US are in North America… Not a big deal.
But on the other hand, Gulf of Mexico has such a nice ring to it.
But ar you pronouncing it “Meh hee koh”?
Well, of course. Sometimes I even say “Golfo de” instead of “Gulf of”. Say what you will about confusing false cognates (turns out “embarazada” does NOT mean what I thought it did), but words in Latin-based languages just have a nice ring to them.
I dunno. Just having “Mexico” in it makes me feel like if I swim in it I’ll get some sort of disease and end up with explosive diarrhea for the rest of my vacation.
You very well might if they decide to flood it with oil again.
yea, but the mississipppi goes through a ton of other states than mississippi… total BS that we call that river by the last state on it’s journey I say. for instance… the Missouri length shall be called the Missouri River version 2.0
But, again, the Mississippi River has a nice ring to it. Putting 2.0 on the end of the name of a natural landform is pretty goofy.
Fail.
It would be the one thing call it the ‘gulf of usa’
Wooh. Everybody likes to jiggle. So… we jigglin’ or?
I thought the Gulf of America was already taken – it referred to the education gap between the US and other countries…
Nice to see it isn’t just Americans who perpetuate ignorant stereotypes.
Care to back that up with actual research? Or are you just going to move along your merry way, secure in your smug belief in your own superiority?
The second option is perfectly okay, by the way. Us Americans are used to people doing that, so it’s not like you’ll be an anomaly.
Care to back that up with actual research? Or are you just going to move along your merry way, secure in your smug belief in your own superiority?
Sure – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_Student_Assessment#2009
The second option is perfectly okay, by the way. Us Americans are used to people doing that, so it’s not like you’ll be an anomaly.
Oh, you’re American?
Perhaps I should specify that it’s “PISA” – “P’, “I’, “S”, “A”. Not pizza. Just so you don’t get confused – we foreigners are used to bristly Americans getting confused over simple things and ranting on like idiots.
*ahem*
“Critics, such as Mel Riddile say that low performance in the United States is closely related to American poverty, but the same reasoning applies to other countries. Riddile also shown that when adjusted for poverty, the richest areas in the US, especially areas with less than 10% poverty can perform an average PISA score of 551 (higher than any other country). In essence, the criticism isn’t so much directly against the Programme for International Student Assessment itself, but against people who use PISA data uncritically to justify measures such as Charter schools.”
Did you read the entire thing, or just the bit that confirmed your stereotypes? I’m not going to deny that there are some phenomenally ignorant Americans – I deal with some of them on a daily basis – but even us Americans have become aware of the differences in education level between the rich and the poor.
We’re also aware that testing kids on things that aren’t covered is just a bit pointless, as kids cannot be expected to go above and beyond the requirements of their classes. From a non-Wikipedia article, which provides more detailed information on the PISA:
“As noted above, the PISA survey departs from previous surveys in disregarding the stated curricula of the schools being measured. As Prais (2003) notes, “the stated focus was ostensibly distinct from details of the school curriculum, and was intended to elucidate how pupils might cope in real life with the help of what they have learnt.” It is not clear, however, that the resulting set of questions is any more or less ‘real life’ than the school curricula. Moreover, the selection of an arbitrary set of “international” questions biased the results against countries which pursued different curricular objectives.”
We also understand the value of finding actual research information, as opposed to simply quoting from Wikipedia. Information such as this article:
http://www.dissentmagazine.org/online.php?id=128
The descriptions of how the different countries treat the PISA is fascinating, just from a sociological perspective; Singapore has very nearly built a commercial industry around it, and apparently adjusts its curriculum to fit the test. An extremely effective method of scoring highly, true… but one that sits just shy of simply making students memorize the answers. No actual comprehension is involved.
I also find the premise behind One Dimensional Item Response Theory to be laughably absurd. 65% of the results from the tests were thrown away entirely. Not surprising, given that OECD isn’t what I’d consider a neutral organization anyway. Neo-Liberals aren’t all that good at providing information that doesn’t lead to more revenue for their various private interests, rather like Neo-Conservatives.
Again, did you actually research the facts of PISA, or did you just skim the summary to find tidbits to support your stereotypes? It took me longer to type this all out than to find reputable counterpoints and critiques (and there are many) to the methodology of the PISA. Are you an educator in your country, and/or did you actually take the PISA? If the answer is no, you did not contribute to your country’s score aside from paying your taxes, and have no real right to be smug.
But that’s okay. We’re used to foreigners acting smug and being bigots for no rational reason, too. And you are being a bigot – you’re denigrating all Americans based on specious and incomplete statistical data. That, sirrah, is bigotry. It’s also an indication that you aren’t as intelligent as you think you are… but that’s a different subject entirely, and this post is long enough as is.
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Wall of Text is like Wall of Dice, Vila. People just keel over dead from trying to tally it all up… or, more accurately, they suffer a mental hemorrhage and become a vegetable. Unless you’ve taken the Immunity: Spell Effect (Feeblemind) Feat, I’m afraid you’ll have to reroll… or hope your party will resurrect you.
“Critics, such as Mel Riddile say that low performance in the United States is closely related to American poverty, but the same reasoning applies to other countries
Uh-huh.
“If we just twiddle the figures to get rid of the fact that our country is coming apart with inequality and failing those stuck in poverty with cr.appy education, we’re not doing THAT bad!”
Thank you for demonstrating American stupidity in action.
Thank you for demonstrating bigotry in action. Also, thank you for demonstrating an utter lack of understanding of the principles of logical debate. Out of an entire, massive wall of text, with multiple direct quotes, with relevant information about the PISA and why using it as justification for your opinion is questionable at best, you pick one sentence from the first paragraph to respond to with an ad hominem attack? Never mind that there are other people quoted in the article you didn’t read who are not Americans…
Is this normal for people from… you never actually said where you were from, did you? No surprise there. That would have been vaguely useful information, which would have detracted from your pointless attack. If nothing else, it would have exposed you to the potential of actually having counterattacks, rather than you hiding behind the Internet.
Know what? I don’t have any interest in attempting to educate a bigot that doesn’t want to learn. Congratulations on yet again proving that being educated doesn’t mean being intelligent or rational… and that bloody-minded stupidity isn’t exclusive to Americans. Your country should be proud of how well you’re representing it.
Out of an entire, massive wall of text, with multiple direct quotes, with relevant information about the PISA and why using it as justification for your opinion is questionable at best, you pick one sentence from the first paragraph to respond to with an ad hominem attack?
An argument based on a stupid premise can be dismissed outright as stupid. The idea that you can ignore the ever-rising number of American poor in comparing countries is monumentally foolish. It’s like claiming that the British are incredibly wealthy if you just ignore everyone who isn’t a monarch…
Know what? I don’t have any interest in attempting to educate a bigot that doesn’t want to learn.
Why would anyone seek to be educated by a fool who thinks the poor don’t count?
Meh. Straw man argument, and you still haven’t read either the article I provided, or the one from yourself. Ad hominem (again), loaded question… you can do better than this, right? Compared to the usual frothy mix of anti-American bigotry and sophomoric hubris, you’re actually kinda dull. At least make an attempt at some of the more esoteric logical fallacies – after all, you’ve got a position to maintain as being more educated than Americans, right? Why settle for boring fallacies that even the ignorant can use?
Meh. Straw man argument,
““Critics, such as Mel Riddile say that low performance in the United States is closely related to American poverty, but the same reasoning applies to other countries. Riddile also shown that when adjusted for poverty,”
Uh-huh. “Let’s ignore poverty and watch America’s standing magically improve.” Of course, the teeny tiny little problem is that ignoring poverty doesn’t make it go away in the real world.
You may wanna look up “straw man” sometime, lad. Or learn to read the stuff you’re cutting and pasting. Ask a foreigner if you need help with that.
You’re not real good with comparative statistics, are you?
No one (except you) said anything about ignoring the poor. All MacFeegle was saying was the most experts say that using PISA for comparing countries education levels with raw data is like comparing apples to oranges. For proper comparatives, one needs to convert the oranges to apples, then compare all the apples to apples.
Try reading the rest of the paragraph… or the articles. Mine or yours.
Statistical analysis of respective levels of education is pretty pointless when attempting to compare countries if the wealthy of country A are being compared to the poor of country B. If you want meaningful results, you would compare the wealthy of A with the wealthy of B, the poor of A with the poor of B, etc. This is what Riddile and several other experts in education and analysis have said, from multiple countries around the world. It’s a simple idea, based on the fact that the education of those who cannot afford higher quality schools is not going to be as good as those who can. Basic socioeconomics.
I did look up straw man. It refers to when a person invents an argument that their opponent did not make, then refutes it. I have not, did not, and will not be saying that the poor should be ignored. Riddile didn’t say that, nor did any of the other experts quoted in the articles which you didn’t read. The only person here that is saying they did is you, thus indicating that the source of that argument is you. You are then refuting the argument you invented. Thus, straw man argument on your part. Also a Red Herring.
In the vein of logical fallacies, your initial premise (America universally lacks education) is a Spotlight fallacy (uncritically assuming that all members or cases of a certain class or type are like those that receive the most attention or coverage in the media), based on a Hasty Generalization (drawing a conclusion about a population based on a sample that is not large enough), based on a Biased Sample (drawing a conclusion about a population based on a sample that is biased or prejudiced in some manner). Throughout your entire argument, you’ve been committing fallacies of Ad Hominem (substituting abusive remarks for evidence when attacking another person’s claim or claims), Appeal to Ridicule (substituting ridicule or mockery for evidence in an “argument”), Red Herring (presenting an irrelevant topic in order to divert attention from the original issue), Loaded Question (a fallacy in which the premises include the claim that the conclusion is true or directly or indirectly assume that the conclusion is true), and others that I’m too apathetic to bother with. I can state with reasonable authority that you’d be laughed off the podium in an actual logical debate. Good thing you’ve got the Internet to hide behind, eh? Shame is such a terrible thing.
Not only does it appear that I have a better comprehension of statistical analysis than you, I’ve also got a better grasp of logical debate. You, on the other hand, are displaying a great deal of Confirmation Bias (seeking out only information which confirms your prejudices), the Backfire Effect (contradictory evidence only strengthens the belief being refuted), the Bandwagon Effect (holding an opinion because many others have held it before), Knowledge Bias (tendency to choose the option they know best rather than the best option), and the Dunning–Kruger Effect (suffering from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating one’s ability much higher than average). There are others, but again, it’d be wasted effort. Dunning-Kruger is particularly amusing to note, as most studies of people who display that particular cognitive bias are of Americans, and yet, you actively dislike Americans.
In short, you are acting exactly like the bigoted, ignorant, self-absorbed, arrogant idiots you appear to believe all Americans are. Congratulations! Your American Citizenship card will be arriving in the mail shortly.
Incidentally, I suppose you haven’t caught on yet, hmm?
Dude, I totally gave up on the long statements since he didn’t seem to catch on to them. Hence my short statement saying essentially the same thing.
I’m only doing the long statements because it’s a way to waste time until Vladimir and Estragon show up.
All I can say at this point is… ^This
I once waited at an airport for a friend with “GODOT” printed on one of those signs that drivers hold up and an exaggeratedly bored look on my face. Nobody else seemed to notice except a little old lady who looked like a retired teacher, who looked at the sign, then at my face, then burst out laughing in the middle of the airport. That lady alone made the three hours I was waiting thanks to delays worth it. My friend also got the joke, but he expects appalling geekery from me.
“An argument based on a stupid premise can be dismissed outright as stupid. ” — Mac used YOUR source with its own criticism.
So… if we can dismiss stupid premises… and it was your premise he cited from (the one you are calling stupid)…. Logically what follows? Or should we convene another UN meeting for US troops to help another country out with their own problems? Given when I have seen of your stellar showing of logical prowess, I am sure they will be visiting your country of origin soon. Which you still haven’t made mention of. Curious, that.
Gulf of Americas would be more appropriate and fair. North and south america get ‘shared custody’ of the name.
Why would South America need any share in the Gulf of Mexico? The Gulf is surrounded by North America. Just because Mexico is south of us doesn’t mean they aren’t still part of North America.
I believe that was a joke. As in North and South America get custody of the name of the Gulf of America. (Guess which part of the name they get shared custody of
) This is much the same as what happened in Scotland when one TV Company STV (Also known as Scottish Television) took over Grampian TV. STV said that their name would represent their Shared future. So what did the “joint” TV Station’s name become – STV (The S must have been from Scottish Television and the TV must have been Grampian TVs contribution 
)
hey if it takes everyones attention away from all the palm greasing, it can’t be all bad? Right?