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Gave whom a day off?
Not us private sector folks, save for banks and a couple others.
Unlike the largely lazy unionized government workers and bureaucrats we actually have to work and be productive for a living.
Or any body at school, or most people with public sector jobs. Mostly just banks and politicians.
Or any one who doesn’t live in the US
Well, PK centers on the US pretty heavily. And the Queen of England.
And the pope.
And the people in Texas, after they secede.
And you when you move to Canada.
Canadians are largely lazy and don’t have to be productive or work for a living? I bet they smoke pot all day, too… ’cause it’s subsidized by their socialist healthcare. Cool. Sounds awesome. No wonder they’re so nice and chill.
Don’t put words in my mouth. I just want Nailin to move there.
I didn’t put words in your mouth!
I was satirizing a conservative perspective!!
I didn’t say YOU had that perspective…
*tries and fails to look innocent*
Actually, I was hoping the teabaggers would move to Mexico. They would love it there. You can have all the assault rifles you want, wages and benefits are low, the government is evaporating, and rich entrepreneurs (i.e., drug cartels) are soon going to own and control everything. Libertarian heaven!
I’m not planning to move to Canada. I’m just hoping the Southern part of the U.S. and the Nothern part split into separate countries.
Just the SE please. I have friends in Nevada and So Cal who would really rather come along with us northerners.
I have a friend in TX, so maybe we can just switch some states around.
I’d actually rather like to remain an American citizen, thank you. The South-East can split off after I’ve got my PhD.
You’d most likely maintain your US citizenship or have the option of staying where you are.
Oh no, the SE would remain the US. The north wants to join Canada so they can be part of Canada. Then Canada can pay for all their health care too and see how easy it will be.
I know it hurts you to read logic from people who actually LIVE in Canada and use UHC, but CANADA’S HEALTH CARE IS NOT FREE! Canadian citizens PAY for Provincial health care through INCOME TAXES. I know, it’s probably very hard for you to comprehend the idea that the health care you’ve been calling free is in fact NOT FREE. But at least try to get it through your head.
And BTW, it is quite wonderful to know that I actually get something from paying my taxes instead of some rich politician being the one reaping the benefit. I’m sorry that since you enjoy the ‘freedom’ of being told your life has a dollar sign on it, you’re going to be told some day you’re not as worthy as someone who has more money than you.
Shh, shhh, shhh… Calm down… I didn’t say it was free did I? It has to be paid for through our income taxes. But there are some people who don’t pay income taxes so for them it IS free. That is the problem. Our government doesn’t make enough right now to even pay for Medicare/Medicaid and they want to expand that to the entire nation.
Itsy, I guess you didn’t read anything else I posted. In Canada you have to pay income taxes or have proof that you are a legal immigrant (like myself and my Visa ID card since I don’t have a Canadian income tax number) so you can use provincial health care. Illegal immigrants and people who don’t legally live in Canada have to pay out of pocket for health care. Therefore UHC in Canada IS NOT FREE.
Considering Northern states tend to pay back more than they get, rather easy. ;3
In the US any Universal Health Care that would have to be implemented would also be paid for through our income taxes. But there are some people who don’t pay income taxes so for them it IS free. That is the problem. Our government doesn’t make enough right now to even pay for Medicare/Medicaid and they want to expand that to the entire nation. Your government obviously and according to you makes enough to pay for it but lets see how well they would do it with the whole northern US added to their roles. That is all I’m saying. Especially since 50% of people in the US don’t pay any income tax. So, you can have our Northern states and CA and the rest of us will continue on as the US with all our free markets and prosperity.
Yes, because the CAD being more than the USD and the fact that the Canadian economy is growing faster than the American economy obviously means that Canada isn’t nearly as prosperous at the US. Check the TSX and TSX Venture against the DOW and NASDAQ before making another unsubstantiated claim.
I know you’re having a hard time with this, but it’s been proven time and time again that America does in fact have the means to fund UHC for all of it’s citizens. For some reason GOP politicians have just concentrated on making excuses and pointing out flaws in UHC instead of actually facing the facts. They’re too involved in their own idealogy and rhetoric to put their beliefs aside and do what’s needed.
If someone doesn’t pay their taxes then they don’t get provincial health care here in Canada. Plain and simple.
itsy, the government gets money through more than just income taxes, such as payroll taxes and sales taxes, the latter of which EVERYBODY pays, and the former of which is paid by everybody with a formal job.
Neither sales tax nor payroll taxes would go to universal health care.
Why wouldn’t they, if it was implemented here?
Well we don’t have a federal sales tax, yet.
“Then Canada can pay for all their health care too and see how easy it will be.”
what are you complaining about? the north already pays for the south. our taxes up here go into funding the developments the south wants, because we already believe in sharing the wealth and already do. the north pays over 30% more in taxes than we get back, compared to getting back 30% more than paid in. and that’s after our top-rated health, top-rated education, and top-rated standard of living. then while congresspeople like bachmann scream and harpy-wail about taxes they don’t seem to have the mental capacity to grasp, they still accept the tax money coming largely from the north to pay for their states to not collapse.
but the south complains about taxes and votes for people who won’t burden them with things like healthcare or an education unless god tells them to… through the mouthpiece of big-name superchurches plagued with scandals, through congresspeople who tromp on the very “fmily values” they use to get elected, through the party who wants to use god to their advantage without living up to christian values (there aren’t lesbian bondage strip clubs in the bible, yet the gop seems intent on casting the first salvo of stones when a democrat steps out of line).
the jerk in me is becoming increasingly convinced that the reason that the gop cuts education spending (or increases education red tape like with the useless nclb legislature), is so they can raise another ignorant generation to not question the party and vote republican because “that is what god wants.” and i understand how obnoxious that belief is, and how discriminatory on my own part, but every time santorum or perry or a dozen others open their mouths it seems the only viable explanation.
seems like if the south seceded today, my life would get better, and theirs would get worse. and i wouldn’t have to deal with the entitled bigots who seem to speak for the south whenever they get the chance — so maybe politics could be about solving real issues instead of the crap the gop is trying to make the race about today.
A number of Republicans have talked about a national sales tax.
Oh, those tax and spend Republicans.
Just be glad sure none of them decide to impliment anything like the HST (Harmonized Sales Tax. Most provinces just have PST (Provincial Sales Tax) and GST (goods and services tax)). In NS it’s 15%, luckily here in BC it’s 12%. But most BC residents who aren’t business owners don’t like it because it was just dropped on them by Campbell (our former premeir and a member of the Liberal party) after promising he wouldn’t do it. Our current premier Christy Clark (who is also a Liberal which kind of shows that in Canada Liberals are as bad as Conservatives
) won’t remove the HST until 2013 even though our 2011 vote showed that the majority of residents wanted it gone well before that.
I would be delighted for the northern states to merge with Canada. I’m surprised, though, I would figure the Southern teabaggers would want to recreate the Confederacy and use the Confederate flag. Maybe they could even celebrate true Southern values by bringing back slavery.
Considering that at one point or another parts of the northern boarder states were in Canada it wouldn’t be that hard.
I would second this move, but sadly, I reside in North Carolina, which is the state surrounded by ignorance. And water. Could we get a deal like Alaska got? >:
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Most people in Alberta have the day off and the TSX is closed here in Canada today
Which is utterly irrelevant to this US holiday.
Actually it is relevent because someone made a comment about people outside of the US not having the day off. I was just pointing out that yesturday some people who DO live outside of the US have the day off.
My older daughter had this entire week off last year. I guess it just depends on where you go to school.
“unionized government workers” includes teachers, granted not all teachers in some states are unionized. Whether those have the day off or not, I don’t know.
Depends on the school, mine certainly didn’t, and Teachers are FAR from ‘lazy.’
Neither are most union workers. I can’t say all though because one grocery store I worked at during college was unionized (Tops Markets in New York) and some of my managers were some stupid SOBs.
I don’t know if managers ought to be included in unions. They’re just the underling directly beneath the boss, aren’t they? Most managers i’ve ever known have been anti-union f-wads.
Most unions do not include managers. At my job, we had to fight for the supervisors to be in the union because we are shift supervisors, not managers, and according to the books we are simply higher paid employees. But the union wanted to exclude us for no other reason than that we had the title “supervisor”.
Right because you, as a person with responsibility, are no longer a “worker” they claim to represent.
My biggest beef with the unions is that they are merely money laundering operations for the DNC.
Unions are about the biggest contributor to DNC coffers. Money Laundering comes from the SEIU, they get money from us then a large portion goes to the democrat party, this is public money. But then laws only apply to other people, see the laws that say the senate must present an annual budget which harry reid is ignoring. Have a republican do this, there would be an uproar about it.
“My biggest beef with the unions is that they are merely money laundering operations for the DNC.”
Not really. See China? That’s where they’re here to prevent.
“Unions are about the biggest contributor to DNC coffers.” False, the financial sector contributes the most to either party out of any other sector, Unions included.
@Not really. See China? That’s where they’re here to prevent.
Citation needed.
@False, the financial sector contributes the most to either party out of any other sector, Unions included.
Wrong. I said “about the biggest” I did not say they were the biggest.
1. Examine worker rights prior to 1930.
2. http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/index.php Labor is the 9th highest sector our of 13.
That means it’s in the top 10, and, therefore, about the biggest.
no, 10 out of 13 is not ‘about the biggest’.
Dev, that was a joke.
that makes more sense
That’s pure teabagger fantasy. Completely untrue.
Right. Says the blindfolded man about any comment that there is a full moon at night.
Uh, wot?
Irony. This haz it.
He didn’t specify that the moon was directly overhead at midnight..
Nor did he specify that, technically speaking, there’s also a full moon during the day. Astronomy is weird.
A full moon during the day? no.. you wouldn’t be able to see it since it’d be on the other side of the Earth. I mean, yes it would be full, but it wouldn’t be a moon during the day.
On the other hand, if you were to look at the moon from the perspective of the Sun, it would almost always be full. Of course, it would always be day too.
It depends on what time of day. Early morning and early evening you can see both the moon and the sun in the sky.
Wait, if the moon isn’t the moon during the day, then what is it? 0.o
You mis-parsed my phrase ‘wouldn’t be a moon during the day’. I wasn’t saying that during the day it wouldn’t be a moon, but that during the day there wouldn’t be a moon in the visible sky.
New Yorker, I’m aware that you can see the sun and moon at the same time, but in such cases, the moon is within the less-lighted phases, as necessitated by the properties of light and geometry. That is to say, The moon can’t be facing both the earth and the sun at the same time if you can see both the sun and the moon from one point on the earth.
Meh I was going by: You can see the moon. I’m too sleep deprived to get into anything else.
Hmm.. apparently I’m wrong.
/shall have to think more.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Moon_and_red_blue_haze.jpg/220px-Moon_and_red_blue_haze.jpg
I think I’ll just blame it on the fact that the Earth is round.
Or we could just blame Canada
please stop being an idiot.
managers and workers are on opposite sides of a power balance — one that favors the managers if there is no representative of the workers to meet them on even ground.
therefore, it has nothing to do with “responsibility” (unless you’ve become brainwashed by too much limbaugh in your diet, and then nothing can cure you of the spite and vitriol he spews) but about power.
as for the rest of your frothing nonsensical post, i have no idea what it has to do with anything else. there is no money laundering, unless you’re coming up with your own conspiracies again. or unless you (or whoever it is that you blindly repeat) don’t actually know what “money laundering” is.
I just had to point out the moment of cognitive dissonance I experienced after reading ‘Cure you of the spite and vitriol’ followed so closely by ‘rest of your frothing nonsensical post’.
Hm… might be a bit more condescendence (however justified) than spite or vitriol.
sorry, for some reason i can’t take much of archer or itsy’s insanity over the past couple days, or of the stuff they repeat by conservative mouthpieces who are just so horrible that i can’t believe anyone would want to listen to the things they say, nevermind repeat them. i think i’m reacting a little too strongly.
funny, because i’m on vacation. me and the wife are in NYC seeing some cool stuff and having some amazing food. i’m relaxed, and having a good time. so i should be a lot more chill.
Maybe it’s because you’re used to be frustrated, in some way, shape, or form, from your job, but now that that frustration isn’t there, it’s trying to manifest elsewhere to maintain your sense of familiarity?
could be… i’m a teacher. and i’m used to gop mouthpieces and conservotrolls telling me that i’m lazy and do no work. i put in extra-long days trying to get kids who don’t bother to do homework and whose parents have little influence on them to achieve (after i got the job, a well-known citizen of the town published a letter to the editor stating that “education ruins kids — i didn’t have any more than a 7th grade schooling and i turned out fine!”).
where i teach is an area economically devastated in the 70s that never recovered. teen pregnancy, drug problems, alcoholism, abuse… we see it all. and while the school’s graduating class hovers around 100, we usually have 2 or 3 pregnant students who have dropped out by then. the school is 96% white, with a decidedly rural population spread and the kind of selfish conservative values you find in poor rural areas — the “me and mine only” mentality that has led to all plans for improving the area to fall flat.
the elementary schools have been underfunded for years, going so far as to cross legal lines. and it’s because the town doesn’t value its kids (or other people’s kids, because i already paid for mine!) enough to invest in their education. meanwhile, we have staff members who have to work second jobs just to make ends meet despite having two masters degrees, and others who do so much for the school and the community that they have no room for personal lives.
but teachers are lazy. even though it took me four years to make more an hour (for the on-the-books hours only, not all the rest of the mandatory unpaid time) than my cousin did babysitting. they take all sorts of abuse, daily and nationally, for being the lowest-paid professional career in the country, but they’re lazy.
this is why most states who have not blocked unionizing have teacher’s unions — because people so undervalue education that they love to go after teachers first. and teachers make for easy targets – they’re too busy to fight back. so demonizing the teachers’ unions makes for headlines and for rhetoric, but it doesn’t solve any problems.
plus, not all unions are bad — they look bad today because, after fighting for their gains year after year, they were a little more protected than everyone else when the economic crap hit the fan. that, and the gop likes to deflect attention, making issues about unions instead of about their inability or unwillingness to cooperate in order to actually fix problems.
I’m not a teacher, I’m a care aide (who is also made to feel as though I’m lacking in itelligence because I don’t have all these degrees) But I definitely feel for you. Teachers get no respect (although sometimes there are the ones who don’t deserve it- I’ve had some really horrid teachers along with good ones) My daughter has been lucky to have some really good teachers including her grade 1 teacher this year who is being literally forced to work by BC’s Liberal (not the same as a US liberal mind you) party despite the BC government breaking the contract they had made with the teachers. My daughter’s grade one teacher is doing her job and making sure that the kids in her class do what they should.
On my vacation I just didn’t bother checking the site at all. Much more relaxing that way.
Yea, some of the threads the past week and a half were borderline obnoxious. The thought of ‘Conservative mouthpieces’ is rather interesting, since one of the indicators of a conservative mindset is being “less likely to be influenced by others.” http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101209074403.htm
If it makes you feel any better, I am of the opinion that a very significant portion of the responsibility for student motivation and well, responsibility rests with the parent.
However, I think selfishness is a human trait, not just of conservatives.
See, DevAd, you’re mixing up mindset with mouthpiece… conservative or liberal, dogmatically parroting a particular stance instead of thinking for oneself does not actually require any mindset other than “I don’t like having to think.” That was the definition of mouthpiece TD was using; another descriptor I might use is “zealot,” as the mindset in question is also at work in people who use religion as an excuse to not have to think… or atheism, actually, which is amusing to see.
It’s also possible that a person who has a conservative mindset could also be a mouthpiece – their opinions might have been formed by outside influences before they fully adopted the mindset, or they might have arrived at those opinions of their own accord, but end up parroting the party line because either the words of others are better phrased, or because they’ve also decided they don’t want to think for themselves any more. There’s also the inherent human need to belong, which can often override learned traits like habits of thought.
I do like the article, though… and how it could suggest to certain people that there’s an actual biological truth to the stereotypes of liberals as overly hopeful followers, and conservatives as stubborn and fearful.
Which is NOT substantiated from comparing test scores worldwide. Funny how when someone talks about standardizing tests and creating minimum standards for teachers it’s the teachers union that protests.
It’s not about the kids for those unions, it’s about the money and about contributions to democrats.
No, it’s not. Unionized teachers care far more about kids than any Republican who puts his kids in private schools and then wants to cut schools to the bone because he doesn’t want to pay taxes.
It’s not about the kids for those Republicans. It’s about money and about contributions to the Republican Party.
@No, it’s not. Unionized teachers care far more about kids than any Republican…
You’re Bullsh*t is so obvious nailin, you couldn’t identify with the truth if it wore the same clothes as you.
Right. Compassionate conservatism. Tell people how much you care for them, and then strip them of everything you can: money, education, political power, information, rights, etc.
Which truth, exactly? The truth that is fact, the truth that is true for today, the truth that is beautiful, the truth that is convenient, or the truth that is so precious that it needs to be protected by a phalanx of lies?
In an argument between an admitted troll and a closet troll, can either of them actually claim truth? Is there an actual truth when one side deliberately states inflammatory opinions, while the other’s opinions are based on fantasy? Which is more morally and intellectually reprehensible, the deliberately obnoxious, or the deluded fool who believes his obnoxiousness is righteous?
And what is the role of the observer? Does he have a point, or is he simply speculating to entertain himself? Does he expect a rational answer, or is he simply presenting both parties with an opportunity to further destroy their own credibility? Does credibility even matter when both parties are utterly convinced of their own correctness, regardless of fact, reason, and/or truth?
Pretty sure your job here is to keep the popcorn industry alive.
Peter Gleick has that covered, at the moment.
Wrong. It’s actually the peanut industry I’m supporting. I’ve got an entire gallery of assistants to help, too. So there.
Fair enough, though I’m rather partial to cashews, myself.
I like those, too, but that’s just a hobby. My gallery of peanut-eaters is a professional vocation.
actually, the foul flag is thrown at your broad sweeping generalization, so his rebuttal using a broad sweeping generalization is irrelevant.
in other words, you are currently more of a troll than the poster who admits to trolling for fun.
as far as “It’s not about the kids for those unions, it’s about the money and about contributions to democrats.” i’ll ignore for the moment that you have no qualifications to speak for anyone else until you can make sense on your own.
1. with the same education needed to be a teacher in most states, one can get a job that pays significantly better. the exceptions? poorer states who offer jobs to people with less education, because they’d have no options otherwise.
example: in MA, you usually need a masters to teach longer than 5 years. if you want to stay teaching, it is an advantage to you to get a second masters, because your pay goes up AND it covers the professional development goals you are required to meet every 10 years. after two masters’ degrees, you then are more able to branch out and get more training wherever you need it, but you effectively need to complete another degree’s worth of material every decade or so in order to remain licensed. AND this is a state well known for its strong union, where teachers pay for their own retirement (not the state), and where there is no such things as tenure — but seniority and other fair procedures cover layoffs.
2. the unions are not a conspiracy trying to undermine decency and order any more than a corporation is a entity trying to rape gramma for cash. they are a body that represents the well-being and goals of its members — proper and fair work environment for unions, and making money for the corporation. what do educators want? oh, right — proper funding for education, job safety for teachers, and decent treatment of its members. who is more likely to do that — the education-hostile gop, or the pro-education dems? you figure it out.
Probably because standardized tests DON’T WORK.
sure they don’t.
You’re right they don’t. They don’t show how the kids are being propagandized about man made climate change, the evils of capatilism, the wonderfulness of Obama.
They do, however, expose the lie of “out come base education”.
Kids aren’t being propagandized about man-made climate change, because it is real. What they aren’t getting is the right-wing, pro-international oil company propaganda, supported by rich Republicans and their teabagger stooges.
Kids are being told some truth about robber-baron capitalism, and that’s a good thing. They shouldn’t be brainwashed into believing that capitalism is moral and just, that it’s a win-win for everyone, and that God rewards good people with wealth, as rich Republicans would like.
Kids aren’t being “propagandized” about the wonderfulness of President Obama, although he is far greater than anything that has come out of the GOP presidential freak show, so far.
And BTW, it’s spelled “capitalism.” Shouldn’t a rightwing Kool-Aid drinker know that?
It’s not really propaganda if they’re being told the truth, and I certainly haven’t been subject to any pro-Obama rhetoric in my classes. The closest thing was the weekly Current Events debates we’d having in U.S. History and Civics And Economics, but that was mostly because were were given the subject ahead of time and me and my apolitical partner were great debaters (and snarkers).
Whose truth? The truth is that Abe Lincoln manipulated the freedom of negro slaves for political advantage resulting in the War of Northern Aggression. The truth is that Socrates drank hemlock after being convicted of corrupting the youth of Athens. The truth is that Jesus, an itinerant beggar and heretic revolutionary, was executed in accordance with Roman law after being convicted of preaching without a license. Odds are any truths you are taught that are not part of math or hard sciences have at least some subjectivity mixed in.
The key is teaching people facts, ALL of them.
No one knows ALL the facts. Even if someone did, no one lifetime is enough to learn them. Reality is a Zen thing. All things affect each other. To deny this simple fact and teach that facts are discrete and unlinked to other facts and ideas is a Western fallacy.
Reality is analog, not digital.
the phrase “reality is a zen thing” is really funny…
because, if zen is true, there is no reality.
as far as “all the facts” — we cannot ever really know all the facts. but people can be taught how to find information, assess that info for veracity, and combine that info for understanding. they can also be taught how to assess the logic and sense of someone else’s points.
well, they could, but they aren’t. because that’s hard, kids are lazy, adults are set in their ways, and “those people” are to blame.
/Agrees with TLDR
For apropos lols:
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1978#comic
TLDR: You might want to do a little more research on Zen. It teaches that all reality is interdependent. What I said about no one knowing all the facts was in reply to a statement regarding teaching all the facts. Of course we make our best judgement based on the research in hand.
But I would like to point out that the best alternative name for the Civil War is “War between the States”, for credibility, if nothing else. There are many who hear “War of Northern Aggression” and immediately put the speaker into the category of “racist/bigot/Southern Sympathizer”, regardless of if that was meant or not (which, considering your other posts, probably was not).
I tend to think of the Civil War as the War of Starting As Many Arguments, Conspiracies, and Dogmatic Ideals As We Can, Because Things Aren’t Complicated and Ambiguous Enough As It Is. I also give Gen. Robert E. Lee credit for giving rednecks someone to name their car and/or dog(s) after, thus sparing them incalculable mental friction.
My grandparents had a dog named Dixie Lee…
I’ll just go now.
yeah. that’s why “the civil war” is both the only real title, and a complete misnomer when taken with the other definition of “civil.”
“the war of northern aggression” simply states that the south was minding its own business, then the mean folks up a thousand miles away started to do bad things, then started a war, then slowly ground the south under their heel, then left them in poverty.
then again, how many northern elementary school teachers tell their classes that it was about slavery, not about numerous economic and cultural factors that were poking up even before the constitution? probably nearly as many as teach their kids that people thought columbus would sail off the edge of the world…
Eh, my World History teacher didn’t like Columbus, he summarized the voyage in this:
Columbus: Alright, if my theory is correct, the Earth is round!
Spain: …Yeah, we knew that.
Columbus: So I should be able to sail around and land on India!
Spain: Assuming you don’t get lost at sea, meet many horrible beasts, or find out that the Earth isn’t that small. Which it probably isn’t.
Columbus: TOO LATE I’M GOING TO INDIA!
-Later, at the Caribbean-
Columbus: FINALLY, INDIA!
Natives Who Look Nothing Like Indians: lolwut?
I used all the terms in my post to portray inflammatory language that was still technically true. The idea was to show the subjective nature of truth that cannot be expressed in numbers. Analog reality is subject to interpretation. Planck’s constant is not.
This is why I often make a distinction between “truth” and “fact” – truths can be very different depending on context, whereas facts are totally objective. This is also part of why I’m instantly suspicious of anyone who uses phrases like “Sorry you don’t like the truth” and “It’s funny because it’s true!” and “I’m just trying to teach you the truth.” Those phrases are usually tells that the truth being told is subjective.
They’re also tells indicating a particular mindset in which “truth” is used in a very… loose sense extremely often. One might also substitute “sloppy” or “biased” with regards to that mindset as well…
Thanks. I thought I might be alone.
You’re not, no. I’m just one of those rare people who’s smart enough to come up with that kind of idea, but dumb enough to actually go talking about it on the Internet. Most of the people who are bright enough to realize that sort of thing are also bright enough to not waste their time arguing with the Internet. I’m not.
I’d really like to see the syllabus and/or Instructional Guidelines that mandate that particular curriculum. Do you have examples, or is this yet another “fact” that you’ve spun out of Loony Conservative Paranoia?
If there isn’t any examples, and it’s being done on the teachers’ own cognizance, report them – teachers aren’t supposed to be teaching a political bias, especially in governmentally-funded schools. Of course, you’d have to have actual children in school, or be a teacher, or otherwise have some kind of actual legal access to a school, just like you’d need to have in order to actually know what they’re actually teaching in a classroom… unless, of course, you have some means of magically knowing the instructional message of every classroom in every school in America. Or, I dunno, some kind of study done by professionals, which would likely be publicly available via something like a link on the Internet, which you could provide to back up your claims.
Or you could do what you usually do, which is insult anyone who disagrees with you, never give actual reputable examples, rely on logical fallacy for your opinions, and otherwise reinforce the negative stereotypes of Conservatives, rather than actually demonstrate qualities which a neutral observer like myself would want in any position of power beyond Head Beancounter.
The only ‘propoganda teaching’ that could be considered even remotely relevent to Archer’s arguement is in Catholic schools that are required to do faith based teachings in every subject. But that shouldn’t be considered actual propoganda since the parents should’ve known their children would learn religion at a Catholic school.
GASP! They DO!?
I know I was shocked as well. Imagine a Catholic sending her daughter to a Catholic school to learn about CATHOLICSM. I thought I was only doing it for the all day Kindergarten.
Or in my case, Lutherns respecting their son’s wish to not be sent to a particularly bad public school where he’d get beaten up weekly for being too different, an opinion arrived at on account of having been to the public junior high most of the kids at the public high school went to. Being thought of as a weird outsider at a private school with kids at least one tax bracket above you is better than having to defend your right to be yourself with your fists.
That was another reason I sent my daughter to the private school instead of the public one. I was bullied by students and teachers in the same school district I would’ve been sending my daughter to. I didn’t feel like I’d be doing my child anything good by sending her to the same place that had failed to help me.
I’ll likely have to do the same thing if homophobia doesn’t magically vanish before I become a parent. Having been called ‘two-dads’ (despite my mother being an active member of the school’s parent club thingy), I’m quite fearful of what might be done to him/her if they ACTUALLY had two dads. o.o
That’s why I’m sticking it out in Canada. No one seems to care too much what you’re doing as long as you’re not harming them or anyone else.
Or as long as it’s not making too much of a racket next door. ;3
Only in heavily populated areas such as apartment complexes.
That was a feature of exactly one class at my Catholic High School, which was Theology. We had one Theology class, for one quarter, each year. At my school, it was only the Literalist who taught my Freshman Theology class that actually came close to faith-based teaching – the rest taught us actual theology.
In my home town in order to maintain Diocesen (I know that isn’t right) funding each subject taught had to have some faith based teaching in it.
It’s nice that my school was part of the Order of the Holy Cross. Same group that runs Notre Dame, and not required to dilute the teaching quality. Theology classes and mandatory all-school mass once a month were sufficient.
@MacFeegle: That’s how it was at the Jesuit Catholic high school that I went to, except that we had Theology 1 freshman year, Theology 2 sophomore year, Ethics junior year, and I can’t remember what it was for seniors (at that point I had transferred to another school). But ours were all year long, not just one quarter.
And in Biology, yes we learned about evolution.
… and apparently the second half of this was so offensive that ICHC refuses to let me post it despite multiple diplomatic passes. Go me!
I don’t know if you would consider this propaganda, but here is a list of things that are banned from textbooks in the US. Some, if not most, of the things banned could be interpreted as promoting or suppressing different agendas which would make it qualify as propaganda.
http://www.freewebs.com/bannedwords/
Although those might be measure to try and prevent propaganda. Propaganda preventing propaganda? Oh dear…
Some absolutely could be an attempt to stop previous propaganda. The one that comes to mind first is calling US cavalry victories “battles” while calling American Indian victories “massacres”.
Battle of Wounded Knee certainly comes to mind…
Some of those are completely ridiculous. There’s a certain point where it seems we’ve started mincing words to avoid offending people without stopping to ask ourselves (or anyone with sense, if they’re available) whether the words in question ever actually offended anybody.
Agreed, many of the A words were faceplam worthy, I dare not delve further.
Well, I still call mentally handicapped people retarded, so you can imagine how much I support trying to not offend easily offended people. A duck is a duck, and “wetlands-enabled waterfowl” is a stupid phrase.
I, personally, think ‘retarded’ is a less offensive term than mentally handicapped. The former sounds like they have something setting them back, while the latter sounds like they have had their mental legs broken.
Agreed. Considering the dictionary definition of “retard” as a verb, “mentally retarded” quite perfectly fits.
And then you’ve got the ones that just get needlessly verbose, like “individual with alcoholism.”
We’ve seen Double-Speak, so I suppose this bit of goofiness should be called Clean-Speak.
I generally just try to remember that you can only be offended if you choose to be.
“lazy” and “unionized” = f-uck off, scab.
I don’t think any job should be non-union. It’s part of the work to look out for your co-workers and make sure your boss isn’t eroding conditions.
Could you do my union a favor and remind them of that? Seems all they are out for is to hurt company profits (their actual words in a meeting), and getting our pay up only because union dues are based on pay-scale.
I used to work in Florida, a non-union/right-to-work state, and the only difference between the work there and here is that here I have money taken out of my check for union dues (which covers my medical) instead of having money taken out of my check for health insurance.
I’m a union worker, and not a government worker, and I had to work.
Your argument is invalid.
Over the years I have had several jobs where I got the day off that were neither union nor government jobs. Seems there are no hard and fast rules.
Either way, it all renders Archer’s argument invalid.
Question: When *aren’t* most of Archer’s arguements invalid?
^ This. LOL.
I’m not a union worker, and not a government worker. His argument is even more invalid.
Enjoyed your day off, then?
Immensely.
If I had it off, can feel my illness getting worse again. >.>
So Washington and Lincoln the only presidents before Hoover? I think you’re missing a few.
How many Americans do you believe could recognize Polk, Buachannan or Hamilton? The final one without looking at the 10$ bill.
I bet the most frequent comment about Hamilton is, “Whose this douchebag on my money?”
Same with Jefferson I’d imagine.
Especially considering Hamilton was never President. (He was a Founder, and the first Secretary of the Treasury, but never president.)
Then again, Ben Franklin ($5 bill) has been called the greatest President of the U.S. who was never President of the U.S……
You see they never tell you that on US money. Here in Canada they tell you which PM is on the 5, 10, 50, and 100 as well as when he was PM. The 20, the Loonie and the Twonie all have Queen Elizabeth II along with our other coins.
I think you need to check you $5 bills again. Cause if they have Franklin on them, can I trade you one of my $20′s for four of your $5′s?
(Franklin is on the $100 bill, Lincoln is on the $5 bill).
Ulyssis S. Grant is on the 50$ and Lincoln is on the 5$ I’ve gotten a few of both for Christmas and my birthday over the years. Ben Franklin is on the 100$
Don’t ask me the PM equilvelants. But I can tell you which theme is on the 5, 10, and 50 here in Canada.
I’m almost positive Ben Franklin is on the $100 bill, not the $5, which bears the likeness of one Abraham Lincoln.
And Franklin was never President. Founding Father, yes. President, no.
When I lived in the US I didn’t get a day off. So I have no bloody idea what you’re talking about.
Day off? Haven’t been able to get a “day” job in over five years! Society has rejected me ,therefore I have rejected society. Anarchy in the U.K.? Poop! Nihilism in the world! The phrase “corrupt politician” is a redundency.
I call Poe’s Law.
I’m a mom, I haven’t had a day off since the 24th of September, 2004.
Yes, but I reject the notion that anybody seriously believes in Nihilism and is sane enough to type.
You can always reason that the person has a care aide to dictate typing to. Someone suffering with that type of problem usually can receive care…. I hope
Maybe it’s a new type the venting, to have somebody call out what they want to be typed, then have it read to them later, with the realization that they said that in a public scenario.
I’d imagine it could be considered a therapy in some places.
Embarrassment therapy only works on people capable of feeling shame.
Don’t nihilists usually suffer from uncontrollable urination, too?
I believe those are toddlers, but the only real difference between the two is their body mass.
Hmm. Well, it was nihilists that ruined my rug.
Rug doctor?
Really tied the room together, didn’t it?
Them and their damned ferret.
Nihilists have a single, collective ferret?
It’s probably programmed to steal socks and diapers
I wasn’t aware ferrets stole diapers, though it is wise to keep all of one’s socks in their drawers around ferrets.
My older daughter had a babysitter whose ferret stole whatever it could find when it was let out. Including diapers.
Well, I’m more concerned why she left diapers lying around…
They were in opened packages for easy access since the woman runs and in home daycare (a very good one at that) All I know is ferrets steal things
Do small children like ferrets as much as ferrets like their diapers?
I don’t know. She kept them (the ferrets not the kids) caged while she ran the day care. I just know that one of her kids brought my daughter up to see them and there were diapers being stolen by the ferrets.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118715/
Go, watch, learn.
It disturbs me greatly that so few people got the reference.
“Nihilists. I hate these guys. At least the Nazis believed in something.”
Reason #4 on my list of Why I Do Not Intend To Breed.
#3: Gross Things That Come Out Of a Child’s Body and What They Do With Them.
#2: Inheritable Genetic Disorders, I Haz Them.
… and…
#1: Humankind is Unable to Handle the Product of My Genetics and Any Woman Who Would Willingly Breed With Me.
Hell, humankind isn’t even able to handle simple stuff like freedom, equality, and being civil to people with differing opinions. Actually combining my genetics with those of a woman who’d find the way my mind works attractive enough to want to bear my children would likely be the sociological equivalent of torturing a severely retarded person – they’d feel the pain, but they wouldn’t understand the reasons for it in the first place, and certainly wouldn’t deserve it. No, despite occasional claims to the contrary, I’m not actually that cruel… to humankind, or to any potential children I might help bring into this world.
You left out sleep deprivation.
But I can understand the gross things. My brother has been peed on and pooped on by his offspring a few times. I’m just waiting for the day my nephew starts being disciplined and my brother tells him ‘go ahead, put that fork in that light socket. Bet you won’t do it again.’
Actually, “sleep deprivation due to kid” isn’t on my list, on account of “sleep deprivation due to insomnia because brain won’t shut off” already being a factor in my life. Putting fluids into one end, or taking them away from the other end, of extremely noisy human larvae wouldn’t change the situation much, except that the situation would be much noisier, much more damp, and I’d have someone I can look at and say “Your turn” regardless of if it changes anything.
Besides, my little sister and I have enough of an age difference that I have reasonably clear memories of her infancy, and I don’t care to deal with it all again.
Pfft only one little sister to complain about? Try having 5 little sisters to annoy you
I’ve changed more nappies in my life than most parents have, hence breeding is the table for me too, much to the annoyance of my girlfriend who thinks my nieces and nephews are adorable. The only adorable thing about nieces and nephews is giving them back to their parents
My husband inexplicably wants 2 more. Never mind that my 7 year old is a brat and our 11 month old is an insomniac. He wants 2 more. My bet is even after 5 years he still hasn’t told me the truth about his being a masochist. But wanting 4 children is definately a sign of masochistic tendancies.
So is wanting one child.
Myself, I’m campaigning for a world without children – no more noisy playgrounds, no more preschools, no more school buses blocking traffic.
Future generations will thank me.
Cloning + Artificial Brain = Success!
Meh, just force everyone to homeschool. Then you can do away with the school buses.
And nobody will know how to interact in public ;3
Haven’t been on the Internet long, Geary?
They don’t know how to interact now. The Internet has made Asperger’s contagious.
Only on a certain scale, but with home school only you’d end up with everybody just kinda looking at their feet awkwardly 24/7
I think that depends if you co-op like a friend of mine or go all Duggar on it.
Just don’t free range, because some of those parents don’t even try to school their children.
Free range children?
Well, if you’re raising them to be eaten, I suppose giving them an education would be a waste of time…
But they taste much better than those educated younguns
@ “the internet has made Asperger’s contagious”
I would say it’s more along the lines of “the internet has made cherry-picking symptoms from Asperger’s in order to defend obnoxiousness and ignorance of social decency contagious”. As someone who actually has Asperger’s, the prats who loudly claim to have it whilst on the internet raise an eyebrow or two.
Fair enough, and I’ll admit that my comment about making Asperger’s contagious isn’t exactly fair or reasonable, though it ultimately does come from the cherry-picking for excuses issue. I don’t have a lot of patience with people who lay ridiculous claim to mental illnesses to excuse disinterest in maintaining social standards when not subjected to consequence.
I do, however, maintain that mental illness can indeed be contagious, at least in one sense: if an individual’s social contacts consist entirely of people with a particular mental illness, the effects of that illness become “normal” behavior, and that individual will start to emulate the illness in order to be normal and fit in. It operates on the same principles as peer pressure and the echo chamber effect, and who actually had the illness to begin with is irrelevant, as the emulated behavior becomes ubiquitous and inescapable. See: trolls.
That kind of behavior seems less like a spreading of Asperger’s-like symptoms and more like the effects of anonymity. It’s just like how someone wearing a mask (or a hood, perhaps made out of white sheets) will have fewer concerns about what they do, because they feel that the behavior can never really be tied back to them, just an anonymous, amorphous thing.
Huh. The cats that live in the tubes that are the Internet have eated my response here twice now. I don’t *think* I said anything offensive, but I’ve been getting that an awful lot as of late…
Did you use brackets? lolcats suddenly hate brackets after I learned they could be used for dropping tons of links without being moderated.
Nary a one.
First part:
There are always consequences for one’s behaviors… and I’m not talking about karma or being punished by an invisible beard in the sky. Humans are creatures of habit, and established habits can be amazingly hard to break. Getting into the habit of ignoring civilized behavior while online builds habits of behavior which, given the right stimuli, can extend into real life. The stronger the habit is, the more likely it will display itself offline, especially in times of stress, or when the individual responds to a stimulus before thinking. It gets ingrained into the brain, into the patterns of thought, much like the people who say lol in real life conversations.
Second part:
Those behavioral habits can cause all kinds of social problems in real life, and especially in the workplace – psychologists are currently in the process of looking specifically into the “trolls in the workplace” angle, and have completed the first step (initial analysis and data gathering); it’ll be another three years or so before most of the studies are entirely complete, being five-year study models wanting significant workplace history information.
All the psychobabble aside, there’s also consequences in the form of the fact that they can still be banned from whatever media they’re participating in – and in the case of online games like MMOs, this can result in being blocked from their leisure activities, which they may still be paying for while banned. Not always an actual threat, as with forums as lax as PK, but in other cases, the threat may be very real.
… and apparently the problem was the word “cir*umstances.”
Speaking of ridiculous editing to avoid offending easily offensive people…
Yes, but anonymity still does reduce the perceived consequences – and, certainly, having someone call you a jerk online or getting banned from a forum you happen to frequent is a lot less severe than the consequences would be if the guy whom you had just, in a round-about way, told that he does unthinkable things to squid (somehow working in the interesting detail that his own personal mask of anonymity consists of two rhyming words, one beginning with the 14th letter of the alphabet, the other with the 16th [and being a real person's surname], and he definitely does do terrible, terrible things to squid of all shapes and sizes) knew your real name and your actual personal address, as he would likely be interested in visiting some kind of retribution, be it a stern letter or, if he’s really that mad about you calling him out on his horrific and definitely true abuses of squid, perhaps an act of violence or three. (The dude does crazy things to squid, who says he’d be averse to throwing a punch or two if you tell the world about his squid-habit?)
I guess what I’m trying to say here, beyond the fact that, whether in real life or online, anonymity can cloud people’s judgment with regard to consequences, is just keep Nailin away from the squid.
D’oh! Used brackets in the original version of this post.
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Yes, but anonymity still does reduce the perceived consequences – and, certainly, having someone call you a jerk online or getting banned from a forum you happen to frequent is a lot less severe than the consequences would be if the guy whom you had just, in a round-about way, told that he does unthinkable things to squid (somehow working in the interesting detail that his own personal mask of anonymity consists of two rhyming words, one beginning with the 14th letter of the alphabet, the other with the 16th (and being a real person’s surname), and he definitely does do terrible, terrible things to squid of all shapes and sizes) knew your real name and your actual personal address, as he would likely be interested in visiting some kind of retribution, be it a stern letter or, if he’s really that mad about you calling him out on his horrific and definitely true abuses of squid, perhaps an act of violence or three. (The dude does crazy things to squid, who says he’d be averse to throwing a punch or two if you tell the world about his squid-habit?)
I guess what I’m trying to say here, beyond the fact that, whether in real life or online, anonymity can cloud people’s judgment with regard to consequences, is just keep Nailin away from the squid.
Well, yeah. The majority of Internet Tough Guys would suddenly become a lot more polite if they had to deal with real consequences. Amusingly enough, I’ve actually been the instigator of said abrupt politeness, as people suddenly become apologetic when the somewhat pompous, intellectual-sounding git they’ve been insulting online for a few months turns out to be a 6’1″ Viking-looking dude wearing biker leathers. I usually just have to say “Oh, yeah, I’m (username)” for that sort to decide it’s time to remember what “civil” actually means. I’ve only ever had to thump one of them into behaving himself, but considering I was there to discourage his online behavior towards a female friend of mine, he deserved it.
Except there would be no future generations to thank you. Nice
I’ll have to invent a time machine so I can thank myself, then.
My wife would be happy with just one child. I couldn’t really care one way or the other, kind of a “if it happens, it happens, if it doesn’t, well I have cats” attitude.
Of course, it looks like about the only way we will have kids is by IVF or adoption.
BTW, anyone got an extra $14,000.00 for a good cause? Contact me.
Be careful with that attitude… “if it happens” can have bad consequences, especially if one of the people involved says that, but actually does have a plan in mind.
Trust me on this… I was an “if it happens” whereas my little sister was the plan.
With her Celiac disease, plus our ages, it would be something if it did happen.
Well I hope it does happen. I have a friend who just had a baby. she has a lot of medical issues herself and it took a while to get pregnant.
Adoption costs probably vary from place to place. I don’t know how much it is now, but when I was adopted in 1981 it was about 3,000$ my brother was adopted in 1986 and it was 8,000$.
I’m chiming in late to this thread, but I’d love to throw out some irreverent thoughts:
Both of my kids were accidents.
I never babysat, had never changed a diaper, had ethical problems with human overpopulation and had planned to adopt in my 30′s. Oops.
So we lived in poverty with our two kids… dragging them to University, hiding them under the office desk when the boss walked by, stuff like that.
They are now the two most hilarious, brilliant, fun, well-adjusted and (relatively) responsible teens on the planet. Our adult friends get along quite well with them.
So… make babies. They may throw you into a life of poverty, but it’ll be an exciting life, and you might just make some awesome people you enjoy hanging out with. Go figure.
I never planned on my 2 either. The first one is partially due to the fact that G.W was visiting Ft. Hood on the same day I needed to get to the clinic on base and I was detored so much I was late for my appointment. And she looks exactly like me so I might’ve had an immaculate conception.
The second one was because my now husband knew I wasn’t on any type of birth control and didn’t want to use a condom. He went back to BC for school and a few weeks later I found out I had a Canadian growing in me!
My kids are well adjusted. At least from what I can tell. My youngest is only 11 months, but she’s walking and was crawling at 4 months.
DEFY IDIOCRACY! Get a PhD AND Procrate! Bwa ha ahaaa haaa!!!!!!
Ahem. Procreate. My bad.
@ Canadi-Yorker — Congratulations on your Immaculate Conception!
I love it when the kids walk before they turn 1 yr old. They look like little mutant humans, because their heads are just way too big and their little legs seem strangely disproportionate…
It’s like… WTF! The structural integrity of your skeletal system shouldn’t be adequately configured for upright bi-pedal movement!! Cool.
LOL Canadi-Yorker nice I like that. My 7 year old looks exactly like me though, there is no resemblance to her father- so why not claim it’s divine intervention?
My 11 month old walks like a zombie with her arms out… it’s like she wants to suck my brains.
You moms are wonderful people. Bravo.
Yes, how dare we come on here and make descriptions of how our children do things.
You’re obviously a parent since you’re on here giving advice. Teach us how to be wonderful moms like you are.
Psst… Hey CanadiYorker — I didn’t respond ’cause I couldn’t tell whether she was being sarcastic. You think she really meant it as a dig? *sadly shakes head*
I was actually touched by your child raising descriptions, especially MrsQ.
Internet sarcasm is a terrible thing – it flees from those comments that are meant to possess it, and instead inhabits those that were typed in earnest.
Right. Because sarcasm never goes over the heads of anyone. Ever. Especially not in a forum in which people have been known to make ridiculous comments based on facts gleaned from their own private worlds, or to make viciously insulting and blatantly false comments about others simply because the other allegedly belongs to some group the commenter doesn’t like.
Not that such things happen on PK, of course. We’re all sensible, thoughtful adults here, and would never damage our dignity or credibility by acting like children. The mere thought of disgracing ourselves by acting like spiteful toddlers over something as pointless as which specific out-of-touch rich guy wins a popularity contest and is awarded a lifetime book deal / lecture career, provided the requisite receiving of bribes and screwing of the citizenry can be done with enough subtlety to keep him from getting slapped on the wrist, well… such a thing would be as anathema to us responsible, mature adults as constructing a massive, multi-clause sentence in which the reader has a substantial risk of forgetting what the point of the whole thing was halfway through, and subsequently has to read it again at least once to be certain they’ve followed it. It’s just not done.
Well that’s the last time I try to complement someone in here!! Back to the snarling derision and ridicule…
Sorry Itsy. But you have to admit that it’s hard to tell a compliment from sarcasm with what’s usually thrown around here. Especially from someone who usually has the opposing veiws.
Phew! Thanks Itsy!
Sry for the confusion. It’s easy to get prickly and second guess positive remarks when so much of what gets thrashed around PK is negative or challenging.
Yeah – parenting has been a weird adventure, but I’ve actually really enjoyed it! They’re honestly the best accidents I’ve ever made.
If I can’t tell between sarcasm or not, I try to err on the side of giving people the benefit of the doubt.
I may be a cynical grouch, but I’d rather be mistaken for naive than to mistake somebody else for an even more cynical grouch.
For example, Now I know that Mac has an entirely too optimistic view of the world.
What I don’t understand is how Missplaced_NewYorker got her comment in there before MrsQ, who according to the time stamp posted her comment first… Weird. That isn’t the first time I’ve seen that happen either. Just another benefit to living in Canada?
Or it could just be the almighty glitch
@DevAd
You’re right. I have an amazingly rosy and sparkly view of the world. My world, kittens poop rainbows and flying, chubby giggling infants dispense candy hourly. Homosexuals have Magic Gay Powers and spontaneously generate glitter, while the Magic Tech Fairy waves her sparkly wand and miraculously ensures that artists get paid for their work and unartistic suburbanites still get free stuff. In my world, Liberals and Conservatives work together for the benefit of humans as a whole, and nobody ever says or does anything out of a selfish, psychotic need to spew venom and bile over people who are “Them” only because the loudest members of “Us” are too stupid to be rational. In my world, everyone understands that we’re all floating in a leaky boat over a vast ocean of chaos and despair, and that only a complete lunatic would drill holes in the bottom to try to drown people they disagree with. My world is perfect and pretty and wonderful.
Now, if you’ll excuse me, it’s candy time. Yay!
Do cats & dogs live together under the same roof, too?
Yep. Weird, huh? But awesome!
I was interested up until the last picture.
Bitter, bitter, white boy.
Well Jimmie Carter was bad too but it got better.
But Ronald Reagan was the worst. Of course, that makes him a god to the teabaggers.
No not really, but the Tea Party likes him.
The Tea Party worships Ronnie.Even though he was the first president to let a gay male couple spend the night in the Lincoln bedroom.
Tea Partiers don’t have anything against Gays Nailin, Learn 2 learn.
Correction, the Tea Party, as in the informal political party with no real message other than, “We’re angry and we don’t know how to dress ourselves in colors that aren’t red, white, and gaudy!” doesn’t hate gays.
THE PEOPLE in the Tea Party, however, believe whatever the f*ck they want to, and probability states that once you get that far right, homophobia is rather common.
Oh quit screaming. Most people in the Tea Party just want government out of their lives and less taxes.
Except for the bedroom of others.
Tea Partiers, almost to a person, are against gay marriage and the majority would criminalize gay behavior, just like Rick Anal-Juices Santorum would.
Homophobia, they name is Tea Party.
Thy name, you silly twit.
You silly racist person. Don’t you recognize Ebonics when you read it?
Ebonics. Ugh. Quite possibly one of the stupidest ideas ever to come out of the Liberal Politically Correct Machine… and I live in the East SF Bay Area, and have friends who teach in the Oakland School district. Most of them are black, and grew up in the neighborhoods they teach kids from. They thought it was stupid, too.
I couldn’t care less about whether ebonics is silly (for the record, it definitely is), my problem is that Nailin is butchering Hamlet.
I can understand the sentiment, but not with regards to Hamlet. Not one of my favorite plays.
Screaming? I’m stating facts about the general opinions of people who lean certain directions.
Shhh, you’re hurting my ears.
You’re hurting my eyes.
No stereotyping here. That could never happen. We are much too smart for that. And we’re all above average here too.
I sense sarcasm.
Yes, you do. And if what irritates me doesn’t stop, I may progress to irony. I may even progress from analogy to metaphor to fullblown parables. Not to mention fables with morals.
God help us, especially that subset of the American population that’s allergic to irony.
Not my fault it’s what they identify themselves with. It would be akin to an individual of Asian descent flaunting their inability to drive.
Oh, you mean like the Japanese college friend of mine who had a license plate border that said:
ASIAN DRIVER
NO SURVIVORS!
XD
S/He gets a free pass, for being awesome.
So, because I can go to my neighborhood Popeye’s and see some Americans of a particular ethnicity at any given hour, it’s somehow okay to say they all like fried chicken and not stereotyping? Because that’s not what I was taught at all. You seem to think prejudice is fine when it comes from the liberal side of the fence, but horrible going the other way. It’s not. It’s just wrong in either direction.
There’s a difference between political party affiliation and ethnicity. Generally speaking, you aren’t born into a political party – you have the ability to change the party you associate yourself in order to better suit your own views. Associating yourself with the Tea Party (or the American Socialist Party, or the Republican Party, or the CCP) is usually done because you think that, in that party, you will be among like-minded individuals.
Trickle down economics- easily the worst idea ever.
Yea that’s what Obama wants to do to us. Collect all the dough and trickle a little on us so we vote for him and his cronies. I prefer supply side economics myself.
Supply-side economics and trickle-down economics are basically the same thing. It’s the scam where rich people con right-wing rubes into believing that if all the money in the world is funneled into the coffers of the rich, then the impoverished rubes who gave all their wealth to the wealthy will somehow become magically wealthy themselves.
Amen.
So how is “the money” funneled into the coffers of the rich? I’m curious. Can you describe that to me?
Easy, they make it and run the businesses.
OMG!! That is SO UNFAIR!!
And give themselves disproportional income when they become CEO or upper management, regardless of how much work they actually do.
OMG!! Deciding what they want to do with THEIR own money!! NOOOOO!!! Government should be telling them how much they are allowed to make. Of course, no one tells them how much they can make… Hmmm….
CEO =/= Own Every Last Bit Of The Company. Workers aren’t allowed to decide how much they get paid without asking, now are they?
No, there are also share holders.
If you own >50% of the shares in a company (most of which will come with a CEO position) then you pretty much have free reign.
Many decisions require more than 50%, such as, any decision which would potentially have deleterious impacts on the company.
Most decisions at that point (or any point when you become CEO) only go through the Board of Directors, and when the CEO comes in one day and says, “I want to raise out pay,” there’s little to no fuss over it.
In American society, virtually every advantage is to the rich.
“A 2011 study by the CBO found that the top earning 1% of households gained about 275% after federal taxes and income transfers over a period between 1979 and 2007. The lower earning 80% of American households now have less than half of the share of total income in America. From 1992-2007 the top 400 income earners in the U.S. saw their income increase 392% and their average tax rate reduced by 37%. As of 2006, the United States had one of the highest levels of income inequality.” Wikipedia
So, they are allowed to make the decisions they were hired to make… The horror.
Decisions like looting their own companies for their own benefit? Teabagger values, all the way. And after the rich have stripped the American economy clean, like vultures, the teabaggers will still be blaming it on the people who tried to help them. Maybe the teabaggers will simply get what they deserve, a Chinese lifestyle, served up to them by the rich Republicans they worship.
You idiot, they started the company for their own benefit and if they loot their own companies well they will most likely fail (if the government allows it) which is how it should be. It would not be in their best interest to loot the economy you numskull it’s the government that loots the economy.
Itsy, a large proportion of CEOs aren’t the original founders of the company. Generally the founders get board seats though, so you’re partly right, in that there is actual incentive for companies to pay CEOs as much as they do.
Personally I think it’s out of hand, but there is reason to it. Occasionally those reasons prove to be based on flawed premise though.
It may be out of hand, that’s true. But in a private company they can do exactly as they want with salaries, perks, benefits, etc. and that is my point. If they want to make stupid decisions then the company will fail which is as it should be. No?
Yes, they can do whatever they want with their money, but when they’re earning 275 times the average worker, please don’t assert that a 15% higher tax on them is punishment.
On the subject of businesses, growth, taxes, and spending this might be of some interest:
http://www.cypress.com/?rID=34993
*second to last
Reads much better. ;3
I know all 44 presidents like a boss.
1. George Washington
2. John Adams
3. Thomas Jefferson
4. James Madison
5. James Monroe
6. John Quincy Adams
7. Andrew Jackson
8. Martin Van Buren
9. William Henry Harrison
10. John Tyler
11. James K. Polk
12. Zachary Taylor
13. Millard Filmore
14. Franklin Pierce
15. James Buchanan
16. Abraham Lincoln
17. Andrew Johnson
18. Ulysses S. Grant
19. Rutherford B. Hayes
20 James Garfield
21. Chester Arthur
22. Grover Cleveland
23. Benjamin Harrison
24. Grover Cleveland
25. William McKinley
26. Theodore “Teddy” Roosevelt
27. William Howard Taft
28. Woodrow Wilson
29. Warren G. Harding
30. Calvin Cooledge
31. Herbert Hoover
32. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
33. Harry S. Truman
34. Dwight D. Eisenhower
35. John F. Kennedy
36. Lyndon Baines Johnson
37. Richard Nixon
38. Gerald Ford
39. Jimmy Carter
40. Ronald Reagan
41. George H.W. Bush
42. William “Bill” Clinton
43. George W. Bush
44. Barack Obama
CORRECTION: “I know all 44 Presidents like a Wikipedia page.”
I notice, however, he did omit the King of the United States of America.
Tsk. What is education coming to these days?
No, he put Obama in there…
What about Bishop Romney? Is it too early for him to be listed?
Only if Cardinal Sanitarium… I mean Santorum is there too.
I wasn’t aware kings were elected democratically…
Wrong! I knew all 44 presidents before I discovered Wikipedia. I knew every president’s name and term years since I was 10. True story.
Good for you. You can memorize things. Your handlers must be so proud.
Handlers? What the hell are you talking about?
You know, the people who fill up your water-bowl every morning.
You think I’m some retarded individual who sleeps in a cage? How dare you. Go to hell!
You think retarded people sleep in cages? You’re terrible.
Just shut up. You’re teasing me because I’m a Democrat with Asperger’s Syndrome.
Not sure if you two are arguing or engaging in witty banter as a prelude to something not allowed on a family website…
I’m making fun of him for bragging about being able to list 44 people, he’s insinuating that mentally retarded people should sleep in cages. It’s a mess.
*hands over a mop*
Oh wow, you brought up Asperger’s Syndrome, that’s supposed to be a magic shield from criticism, right?
I’m teasing you because you’re stupid.
Stupid? I’m a college freshman with a GPA of 3.50. How the hell is that stupid.
Because you think it’s impressive that you can list 44 names on the internet, and you think that retarded people should sleep in cages.
Good grades equals intelligence? Is that what they’re teaching these days?
Sheesh. Explains a lot.
If you can name the 14 presidents that preceded George Washington without looking it up I will be impressed.
Cut and paste win!
Many teabaggers are wondering: “Where’s Jefferson Davis?”
Or that the first US President was actually black.
Wow…
1.) John Hanson was not the “first President of the United States.”
2.) The black John Hanson is a completely different person.
….
3.) Don’t believe everything that everyone ever tells you.
Retarded people sleeping in cages. I didn’t mean that. Why would I support something like that. Sometimes I say things in the wrong way, and I apologize.